Kim Possible Returns!!!

[Macbeth]

Was linked to this from the Kim Possible fourms on yahoo,an article on Reuters.com that states that Kim Possible's been renewed for a fourth season!!!The site won't let me post a link,just go to Reuters.com,there's an artiicle about Disney there!!This is so awesome!!!!

[loyalheart]

Disney Channel has picked up a fourth season of "Kim Possible," which is also seen on Toon Disney and ABC's "ABC Kids" daypart as well as internationally. The decision was spurred in part by a months-long viewer campaign for Disney to continue making episodes.

The title character (voiced by Christy Carlson Romano) is a high school cheerleader who saves the world from supervillains in her spare time with the aid of her pal Ron Stoppable (Will Friedle).
source: Reuters/Hollywood Reporter (http://today.reuters.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=entertainmentNews&storyID=2005-11-29T031245Z_01_ARM911471_RTRUKOC_0_US-DISNEY.xml&archived=False)

there ya' go.. heh

[judyindisguise]

Well, well, well! I couldn't be more delighted! KP is a terrific original toon - easily Disney's best TV offering. So...since Kim and Ron got kinda cozy in their last TV movie...wonder how the writers will handle it? Things could get interesting...

[I.R Joey]

I had an insider (or former insider) at the company tell me that this was true.

But anyway it should be interesting. As you of course already know, I was one of the people who was ready to let the show go after "So the Drama", afterall when shows pair up the two main charecters things usually go down the tubes fast. But others wanted to push on and get more episodes. I guess Disney listened, but I still say be careful what you wish for.

So congradulations all you people who worked so hard to get this show renewed, it looks like you won you're battle. Can't wait to see what Tuscon, UncleB, Kimpossible fan, and some of the other forum members have to say.

[I.R Joey]

Another interesting thing I want to know is if the two creators are back on board for this?

And who is directing anyway? A guy named Chris Baley was the first director, but he was replaced at the end of season 1. Steve Loter took over for the rest of the show but he has moved on to American Dragon. This should be interesting.

Still not sure if I like it though. It is infact a jump the shark category. Maybe we should have just let it go.

Ironic that I was just reading about Rugrats after it's first 65 episodes, that's a classic example. But I'll still reserve judgement.

[One Radical Dude]

So, KP and the gang are going to get an extended life. Great news for the fans. Congrats to all the folks who fought hard to give KP another season, and it shows that one voice (or voices) can impact things.

[loyalheart]

True, it will be intersting to see what crew returns for the reasons you mentioned but, If they are just in pre-production certain past directors will probably still return. Don't SOME of these animation directors do multiple shows at once?
If we wanna analyze this abit, we could take into consideration that - Steve Marmel ('danny phantom', 'fairlyodd parents') just signed a contract w/Disney Channel a few months ago, but what for? It would be interesting if he would work on new KP..

Something tells me picking up from STD isn't as 'jump the shark' as it seems. There were a few important holes (about kim's schoolife) that were left unexplained.

[tucsoncoyote]

I had an insider (or former insider) at the company tell me that this was true.

But anyway it should be interesting. As you of course already know, I was one of the people who was ready to let the show go after "So the Drama", afterall when shows pair up the two main charecters things usually go down the tubes fast. But others wanted to push on and get more episodes. I guess Disney listened, but I still say be careful what you wish for.

So congradulations all you people who worked so hard to get this show renewed, it looks like you won you're battle. Can't wait to see what Tuscon, UncleB, Kimpossible fan, and some of the other forum members have to say. http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/wireStory?id=1354136

I.R. Remeber my "Tribute to the So called "Final Episode".. and in fact I'm going to put it up here once again..

and for those who never caught the actual so called "Final Tribute... here is is, in a nut shell.


Life stories are like books...

When one chapter ends, another more exciting chapter begins. And in the case of Kim Possible, Ron Stoppable, and Rufus the Naked Mole Rat, one chapter is indeed ending. But it will be up to all of us, The fans of this show, to write the next exciting chapter in their lives, or to allow The Walt Disney Company the right to write the next exciting chapter for us.

-- Tucsoncoyote April 8th, 2005.

The Story shall continue....

and Now...Both the fans, and the DisneyCompany have spoken.
The next Chapter will be written.
But will there be other chapters to follow?
That again, is up to all of us to decide.
-- Tucsoncyote November 29th, 2005
:coyote:

[I.R Joey]

http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/wireStory?id=1354136

I.R. Remeber my "Tribute to the So called "Final Episode".. and in fact I'm going to put it up here once again..

and for those who never caught the actual so called "Final Tribute... here is is, in a nut shell.




Life stories are like books...





When one chapter ends, another more exciting chapter begins. And in the case of Kim Possible, Ron Stoppable, and Rufus the Naked Mole Rat, one chapter is indeed ending. But it will be up to all of us, The fans of this show, to write the next exciting chapter in their lives, or to allow The Walt Disney Company the right to write the next exciting chapter for us.





-- Tucsoncoyote April 8th, 2005.


The Story shall continue....





and Now...Both the fans, and the DisneyCompany have spoken.


The next Chapter will be written.
But will there be other chapters to follow?
That again, is up to all of us to decide.
-- Tucsoncyote November 29th, 2005
:coyote:








Yeah I remember it, that was a nice little thing you did for the So the drama talkback.

I still maintain though, that it isn't really neccicery to have anymore episodes, and that picking up where the movie left off might spoil the ending a bit. The movie had such a nice finality to it, that I would hate to see it spoiled.

And Loyalheart, can you show me the sight that says Steve Marmel is going to Disney? I hope it's not exclusive, because he's written some of my favorite Danny Phantom stories.

[tucsoncoyote]

Yeah I remember it, that was a nice little thing you did for the So the drama talkback.

I still maintain though, that it isn't really neccicery to have anymore episodes, and that picking up where the movie left off might spoil the ending a bit. The movie had such a nice finality to it, that I would hate to see it spoiled.

Well a finality to a chapter, but not the complete story I.R. after all the issue of Graduation is at hand. and will Kim and Ron's new found Dating interest be in this set of new episodes? That remains to be seen as well. After all to Quote Dr. Drakken. We're taking the game to a Whole New level. and who knows? It could be better to see what happens next rather then just closing it off. After all when you think about it. Grauation would be nice to end the series and who know? Maybe then the college years might be a good follow up. after all anything Dare I say, is Possible.

:coyote:

[Wondergirl]

Please don't let them wreck it...

Please don't let them wreck it...

Please don't let them wreck it...

Please don't let them wreck it...

I'm elated over the news... terrified that they won't be able to match the quality of what's already been done.

[Uncle Beaglebub]

Kim Possible Returns


Where there is great love there are always miracles.

~ Willa Cather

[Freedom Fighter]

First off... at least it seems Disney's TV animation department isn't calling it quits, though I swear I just read somewhere a few days ago that it had gotten dissolved or broken up. Or something like that. It seems they're still chugging along with 'The Replacements' and the renewal of 'Kim Possible.'

This will be interesting because didn't the KP crew finish production of Season Three at the end of February, about a month before 'So the Drama' premiered? The press release today suggests that very little work, if any, has already been done for Season Four. With typical production at least 9 months, we'll be lucky if we see new episodes ready in time for Fall '06.

The whole 'coming back to life' issue is always a big one. You look at 'Rugrats,' 'Dexter's Laboratory,' 'Powerpuff Girls,' and 'Johnny Bravo.' They all came back as hollow shells of their old selves, mostly because some familiar cast and crew mates didn't come back. The lone bright spot might be 'Ed, Edd n Eddy,' though the jury's certainly still out on that.

This is a surprise, not because I personally thought it wasn't possible, but because this may, very well, be Disney trying to make up for recent mistakes in the TV animation department. No, this isn't a 'KP shouldn't have been cancelled' rant, it's a 'nothing we have now has come close to matching KP's ratings' rant.

Take a look at the four animated shows DC has debuted since KP first premiered: Dave the Barbarian, Brandy & Mr. Whiskers, American Dragon: Jake Long, and The Buzz on Maggie. Now take a look at the five live-action offerings that have premiered since KP started: That's So Raven, Phil of the Future, The Suite Life of Zack & Cody, Naturally Sadie, and Life with Derek.

You can't paint the picture any better than that. While the live-action ratings are up big time, I dare you to tell me any one of those four animated offerings haven't gotten anywhere near as much press or deserved it. Remember what's Disney TV animation highlights for 2005? That's right... 'So the Drama' and 'The Proud Family Movie.' Both KP and Proud Family highlights, series debuting in '02 and '01, respectively.

Disney Channel may now be ahead of Cartoon Network in all the major kids' demographics, but that's because of the successes of the live-action programming. They may now be believing that if they can get the animation portion to catch-up, then they can mount a challenge to Nickelodeon.

An important note... regardless of whether the return of KP is fruitful or follows the trend of past returnee disappointments, one thing's for sure.

Kim Possible CANNOT save Disney's TV animation department alone.

The safe assumption is that KP's renewal is for one season, and naturally, not even KP can be on the air forever. Disney needs to find success elsewhere, too... the 'Emperor's New Groove' TV series needs to bolt out of the gate in January, the just-announced 'The Replacements' has to do well too.

It's ironic that KP's renewal comes just a week after 'Teen Titans' was announced that its current season would be it's last, in that we've got undeniably two of the best, if not the best, cartoons of this decade going in opposite directions... but I digress.

Though I'm glad KP's back (I would've been happy either way... renewal or no renewal), I'm not going to be stupid and deny that the expectations will be high. Freakishly high. For fans, for critics, for Disney... everyone. If Disney does not put everything into this renewal, it will seem as if they're doing this just to milk some more money out of the franchise. For some people like myself, that would be a complete travesty.

As I said, KP alone will not save Disney's TV animation industry, but they need her if there's any chance for them to be saved.

[Gokou Ruri]

Don't play with my emotions, Disney, this better be true ;) But this is awesome news and it will be pretty interesting to see how the series will be affected now that Kim and Ron are a 'thing'.

[bobspoland]

It will be interseting too see how KP and ron get on after "that kiss" but it could just ruin the show. Hope it does well :)

[Pathfinder1011]

Was linked to this from the Kim Possible fourms on yahoo,an article on Reuters.com that states that Kim Possible's been renewed for a fourth season!!!The site won't let me post a link,just go to Reuters.com,there's an artiicle about Disney there!!This is so awesome!!!!
This is wonderful news indeed. At least Christy Carlson Romano got some rest. Usually when a series hits the 65 episode plateau--they usually get the heave-ho. The Teen Titans got the axe. I would suggest juicing Shego up in strength like Goku does to make it interesting for KP. Also, who would do Bonnie now that Kirsten Storms is in General Hospital? Maybe she might come back. I hope that Bonnie is nicer this time. I would also bring Zeta Florez back, Ron's friend from Everlot. What Dis has in store for the teenage heroine, I can't wait.

PS- I have a few episode ideas.

1. Shego kills off Drakken which is unlikely. She upgrades herself and puts KP in the hospital.

2. Bonnie comes around and is nicer to Kim, but her sisters arrive to harrass Bonnie.

3. New villains emerge with more serious plans to derail KP. Making the series more dramatic.

[Dr. Dave]

Looks like Christmas came early this year. :D

Sounds to me like the fans need to organize a "Thank Disney" day to flood Disney with thank you notes and letters.

Hopefully, the production standards will remain high and quality writing will prevail.

What might we see in a new season (unfounded speculation follows)?

A new villian
Some great missions
Ron and Kim's first real date (with all the awkwardness and comedy that entails)
Some hand holding (but not too much)
A kiss under the mistletoe (ok, so I'm a hopeless romantic)

[Dudley]

Well, what do you know? Dreams do come true.

I'll be even more surprised if the show kept its quality when it returns.

[Burgundy Ranger]

I'm stunned. Pleasantly stunned, but stunned all the same.

Shows someone over there isn't blindly shackled to the "Rule of 65."

They have "Groove" and "Replacements" ready to go. I'm wondering if the KP revival is the result of them not being all that impressed at the series ideas presented for the next wave of production. So instead of giving the OK to something they're not thrilled with, they resurrect KP.

The quality concerns are valid. Getting everyone back on board might be difficult. Let's just hope the return isn't spawned by a "They're begging for more. They'll lap it up no matter the quality."

[Funkatron]

First off... at least it seems Disney's TV animation department isn't calling it quits, though I swear I just read somewhere a few days ago that it had gotten dissolved or broken up. Or something like that. It seems they're still chugging along with 'The Replacements' and the renewal of 'Kim Possible.'

This will be interesting because didn't the KP crew finish production of Season Three at the end of February, about a month before 'So the Drama' premiered? The press release today suggests that very little work, if any, has already been done for Season Four. With typical production at least 9 months, we'll be lucky if we see new episodes ready in time for Fall '06.

The whole 'coming back to life' issue is always a big one. You look at 'Rugrats,' 'Dexter's Laboratory,' 'Powerpuff Girls,' and 'Johnny Bravo.' They all came back as hollow shells of their old selves, mostly because some familiar cast and crew mates didn't come back. The lone bright spot might be 'Ed, Edd n Eddy,' though the jury's certainly still out on that.

This is a surprise, not because I personally thought it wasn't possible, but because this may, very well, be Disney trying to make up for recent mistakes in the TV animation department. No, this isn't a 'KP shouldn't have been cancelled' rant, it's a 'nothing we have now has come close to matching KP's ratings' rant.

Take a look at the four animated shows DC has debuted since KP first premiered: Dave the Barbarian, Brandy & Mr. Whiskers, American Dragon: Jake Long, and The Buzz on Maggie. Now take a look at the five live-action offerings that have premiered since KP started: That's So Raven, Phil of the Future, The Suite Life of Zack & Cody, Naturally Sadie, and Life with Derek.

You can't paint the picture any better than that. While the live-action ratings are up big time, I dare you to tell me any one of those four animated offerings haven't gotten anywhere near as much press or deserved it. Remember what's Disney TV animation highlights for 2005? That's right... 'So the Drama' and 'The Proud Family Movie.' Both KP and Proud Family highlights, series debuting in '02 and '01, respectively.

Disney Channel may now be ahead of Cartoon Network in all the major kids' demographics, but that's because of the successes of the live-action programming. They may now be believing that if they can get the animation portion to catch-up, then they can mount a challenge to Nickelodeon.

An important note... regardless of whether the return of KP is fruitful or follows the trend of past returnee disappointments, one thing's for sure.

Kim Possible CANNOT save Disney's TV animation department alone.

The safe assumption is that KP's renewal is for one season, and naturally, not even KP can be on the air forever. Disney needs to find success elsewhere, too... the 'Emperor's New Groove' TV series needs to bolt out of the gate in January, the just-announced 'The Replacements' has to do well too.

It's ironic that KP's renewal comes just a week after 'Teen Titans' was announced that its current season would be it's last, in that we've got undeniably two of the best, if not the best, cartoons of this decade going in opposite directions... but I digress.

Though I'm glad KP's back (I would've been happy either way... renewal or no renewal), I'm not going to be stupid and deny that the expectations will be high. Freakishly high. For fans, for critics, for Disney... everyone. If Disney does not put everything into this renewal, it will seem as if they're doing this just to milk some more money out of the franchise. For some people like myself, that would be a complete travesty.

As I said, KP alone will not save Disney's TV animation industry, but they need her if there's any chance for them to be saved.
Disney's TV Animation wasn't disolved: it was merged into Disney Channel

[RayChuang]

Especially since everyone thought that Kim Possible ended with that supposed movie finale, "So the Drama."

I have this feeling that Christy Romano got out of her gig playing Belle in the stage version of Beauty and the Beast and that's why they were able to start work on a new season of Kim Possible. :)

[Conekiller]

Well

I'm not much of a big fan of KP, but I do remember all the hullabaloo about it being cancelled. I cna't help but feel a fan-victory here and I'm happy for them.

Sometimes fan dreams do come true.:anime:

[judyindisguise]

True, it will be intersting to see what crew returns for the reasons you mentioned but, If they are just in pre-production certain past directors will probably still return. Don't SOME of these animation directors do multiple shows at once?
If we wanna analyze this abit, we could take into consideration that - Steve Marmel ('danny phantom', 'fairlyodd parents') just signed a contract w/Disney Channel a few months ago, but what for? It would be interesting if he would work on new KP...
Yeah, I read that somewhere. Well, I won't speak about "Danny Phantom", about which I couldn't care less, but we all know what's happened to FOP lately. I hope Marmel stays far, far away from KP or the next thing we know Ron will start making snotty remarks to Kim and using her badly for a cheap laugh. :sad:

[kimpossible1fan]

I can't truly say I'm surprised. There have been things out of the ordinary on KP for a so called 'cancelled' show. Rumour have been floating around for a while. I know because I have my sources ;). I was one of the few people that believed him/her.

[Erased Paper]

Another interesting thing I want to know is if the two creators are back on board for this?

And who is directing anyway? A guy named Chris Baley was the first director, but he was replaced at the end of season 1. Steve Loter took over for the rest of the show but he has moved on to American Dragon. This should be interesting.

Still not sure if I like it though. It is infact a jump the shark category. Maybe we should have just let it go.

Ironic that I was just reading about Rugrats after it's first 65 episodes, that's a classic example. But I'll still reserve judgement.
Steve Loter said he's back along with Mark and Bob.

http://s7.invisionfree.com/ARA/index.php?showtopic=909

[Peter Paltridge]

I can't say I saw this coming at all. In the majority of cases, Disney doesn't give a hoot how many fans love a show. And yeah, they could either pick up from "So The Drama"....OR, they could completely ignore it. Don't be surprised if you end up seeing nothing relating to that movie in the series.
A relationship doesn't really HAVE to affect the series dramatically though. Isn't it possible (no pun) for Kim and Ron to date and the episodes to still be as funny as they were before?

Now all you middle-aged lonely people should be happy once again. And with that, I'm running from this board before you touch me.

[LDavid]

Steve Marmel ('danny phantom', 'fairlyodd parents') just signed a contract w/Disney Channel a few months ago, but what for? It would be interesting if he would work on new KP..Unless something's changed, Marmel is supposed to be on Disney's Ying Yang Yo show.

http://www.variety.com/av_result.asp?articleid=VR1117925821

[JohnCrichton]

Well, that's just PRIME!!! :D

[Elven Moon]

Wow.. this was... unexpected :D But I'm certainly both shocked and happy about it. I always seem to get into shows shortly before or after they get the toss. This gives me another chance, and renewed hope for other shows I love :)

[Daffyfan2003]

Is this info really true? I've sort of got behind on my viewing since I don't have the Disney channel. Right now, they're just playing season 3 eps on ABC, so unless I get access to more cable channels, I probably won't see season 4 for about a year or so. *sigh*

I also thought "So the Drama" was made to wrap up the series. I guess we'll see Kim and Ron as a couple next season.

[sag_2002]

Spankin'! :D

More KP = Happy me. Congrats to everyone who made it happen.

[Wanted]

The same thing could happen with Teen Titans, but question is, do people care enough about it?

As for the renewal, this is great news... think the next thing on the fans' agenda will be to push for boxed sets?

[RSNaco]

I join in your collective joyful shock. This is the best news I've heard in a long while! More KP = straight-up awesome! I can't wait! Also, congrats to everyone who helped in the cause to bring it back. it's proof that if you work hard enough you can accomplish anything.

[loyalheart]

I couldn't be happier today! My agent emailed me and told me Kim Possible had 22 episodes ordered officially. Thats great news for everyone, I think! I heard rumors of it being picked up but that was all hearsay. I am so happy that Kim Possible has made such a big impact on its fans. Thanks for all the support. Here's to a long awaited new season filled with action, adventure, and naked mole rats!

Christy
http://christycarlsonromano.com/5373/with_fl/flash/journal.html ;)

[DTaina]

Wow, KP renewed? I'm shocked that Disney listened to the fans, but well, I'm happy for you guys. All your hard work paid off. Great work!

I just hope you don't end up with another "Goliath Chronicles"...

[Viper]

I just read about this in TZ News, and I am overjoyed!!!!!:D Of course, it really didn't matter to me though for I felt "So the Drama" was a fantastic way to finish the series. I guess the die-hard KP fans didn't wanna see her go and they got their wish!:)

My only questions are: who will KP go up against now that Drakken & Shego have been defeated, and what new stuff will we see of Kim & Ron now that we all know they were truly meant for each other?

Well, until the show starts, all I can say is this:

Welcome Back, Kim & Ron!!!!!!:D :D :D

[sag_2002]

Here's more information, courtesy of Mediaweek.


Anthony Crupi

NOVEMBER 29, 2005 -

Walt Disney Co. announced that it will produce a fourth season of its
animated series Kim Possible, following a passionate campaign by
viewers to reverse a long-standing company policy that limits the
lifespan of an animated property to 65 episodes, or three seasons.

The "Save Kim Possible" movement, which included petitions to former
Disney chairman and CEO Michael Eisner and an online write-in
campaign, may have been enough to have helped nudge the Mouse to
decide to re-up the series for another 22 new episodes.

The show's ratings were likely a deciding factor as well. Always a top
draw on Disney Channel, Toon Disney and the ABC Kids daytime
programming block, a special film version of the series, Disney's Kim
Possible Movie: So the Drama, was cable's top-rated program April 8
among key kids' demos, earning a 3.6 household rating and drawing 3.1
million viewers for its April 8, 2005 premiere.

Production on season four will begin in the next few weeks.

[Snailbait]

This is great news.

[Fone Bone]

This is great news for all of you guys. You put a lot of hard work into the campaign and I congratulate you.:)


The same thing could happen with Teen Titans, but question is, do people care enough about it?
I'm personally going to save my campaigning for JLU. Teen Titans hasn't been that great this year but JLU has been on a tear lately so if one of them has to go I know which one I prefer. Massive campaign planned from me and others if JLU does in fact get the ax.

So does this mean there is a chance Disney would be interested in ressurecting Gargoyles?

[Darking]

So does this mean there is a chance Disney would be interested in ressurecting Gargoyles?

If the comic does well, it may be a possibility.

[Fone Bone]

If the comic does well, it may be a possibility.Whoo hoo! I'm buying my copy then! If they did ressurect the show that could offically adapt the first few issues to animation and then make new stories in the second season.

Why isn't there a Kim Possible comic? I've seen it have a couple of low page stories in Disney Adventures but you'd think they'd license a character that popular to someone.

[Darking]

Why isn't there a Kim Possible comic? I've seen it have a couple of low page stories in Disney Adventures but you'd think they'd license a character that popular to someone.

I'm not sure of the particulars, but Tokyopop has the Kim Possible "Cine-manga" series, which means, they take screenshots of the cartoon and print the story as a comic, complete with word balloons.

Yes. It's excessively lame and I will never touch one with the proverbial ten foot pole. I'm going to have to guess that Tokyopop owns the rights to Kim Possible comics outside of Disney Adventures which, if this is all they're going to do, is a real shame.

[Majin_Megabyte]

Well this just made my day, Now I can't wait for what the gang have for us for the upcoming new season. Woot!!!!

[Snailbait]

I wonder how they will handle the villain situation seeing as So the Drama seemed like a fitting end for Drakken and Shego. Will we get a brand new main villain? I'm hoping not, because I don't think I could ever like a villain as much as I did Drakken. I mean, he just went back to jail, and he's escaped before, so maybe he can again. I just dunno if I'll be able to take his plots seriously anymore. I mean, after you revert to genius plots that strike your foe's weakness, can you go back? Well, I suppose I'm rambling, but Drakken will be sorely missed if he's not back. Or maybe he will be brought back in a creative and unexpected way. I just hope the focus doesn't go to *shudder* Professor Dementor! He's nowhere near as funny.

[Juu-kuchi]

Surprising to say the least, let's see if it is able to get itself off the ground.

Sad though that So the Drama came before this, because in my opinion So the Drama makes a fitting ending.

Let's not make Kim and Ron's relationship sappy though, then things get ugly.

[The_Magick_Hat]

Wow. Just wow! To be honest, I'm just now getting into KP thanks to the DVDs. It's a very fun series that I wish I had been able to get into during its heyday (curse my lack of cable...RAWR!). Since there's a fourth season in the works now, hopefully I can catch that when it starts. Congrats to all the hardcore KP fans, though. This must be a treat for you guys.

[Quarter-Dragon]

*Blinkblink* Holy carp a petition to Disney actually worked! *Looks towards signs of the coming apocalypse*

Not entirely sure if I'm joking when I say that, but well, I guess it shouldn't be too surprising, in my book all they really have going for them is AD:JL. It really is a shame about the Teen Titans though. Only way to know if this is good or not is to see it I guess. I'm not gonna make a call either way. *Goes to reset the TiVo*

[Crash]

The only appropriate responce I can think of to this news is: Booyah!

I shouldn't really be surprised, seeing as how KP is the only thing I've watched on Disney for ages. And seems to have quite the fanbase despite the series ending (I'm talking about all the KP stuff on DeviantArt)...But I am surpriesed nonetheless. Good to see the suits realizing the fandom still has legs.

Now, here's hoping the new episodes are as good as the previous ones...

[I.R Joey]

Steve Loter said he's back along with Mark and Bob.

http://s7.invisionfree.com/ARA/index.php?showtopic=909

So then who's directing the new season of American Dragon? They can't have the man on two shows at once can they?

And Judyindisguise, I understand that you don't like the newer Oddparents, but that's no excuse to take it out on DP and Kim Possible.

As for Ron and Kim, we'll see, again I'm trying to keep an open mind but I see very few ways that the show can maintain the level it reached with So the Drama.

[SFToon]

Well a finality to a chapter, but not the complete story I.R. after all the issue of Graduation is at hand. and will Kim and Ron's new found Dating interest be in this set of new episodes? That remains to be seen as well. After all to Quote Dr. Drakken. We're taking the game to a Whole New level. and who knows? It could be better to see what happens next rather then just closing it off. After all when you think about it. Grauation would be nice to end the series and who know? Maybe then the college years might be a good follow up. after all anything Dare I say, is Possible.

:coyote:
Wonderful news, TucsonCoyote. Keep up the good fight!

[I.R Joey]

Well a finality to a chapter, but not the complete story I.R. after all the issue of Graduation is at hand. and will Kim and Ron's new found Dating interest be in this set of new episodes? That remains to be seen as well. After all to Quote Dr. Drakken. We're taking the game to a Whole New level. and who knows? It could be better to see what happens next rather then just closing it off. After all when you think about it. Grauation would be nice to end the series and who know? Maybe then the college years might be a good follow up. after all anything Dare I say, is Possible.

:coyote:

I still think it might have been better to just leave it up to our imagination rather than tell us what happens next.

It was one of those "And they lived happily ever after" that doesn't need any more elaboration in my opinion. I would have been happy to assume that Kim and Ron went on into the sunset and lived a happy life together.

But I should probably stop being the little gray rain cloud. Todays a day for celebration I suppouse, proof positive that the wall of Disney TV animation can infact be breached by fans. It was an amazing accomplishment, regardless of what our opinions may or may not be.

[tucsoncoyote]

I still think it might have been better to just leave it up to our imagination rather than tell us what happens next.

It was one of those "And they lived happily ever after" that doesn't need any more elaboration in my opinion. There is an old saying Joey, that when you leave more questions then Answers in a story the end result is that people tend to question the issue, rather then settle for the "And they just lived Happily ever after" part. After all, Humanity is a curious society where we question things every day and once our curiosity has been piqued, and our answers fulfilled then it's time to end it. not before.

After all have you ever thought about which did really come first between the Chicken and the egg? I have and it has sparked many a debate along philosophy circles.

but Like I said, when you leave an unfinished book with too many questions and Not enough answers, people will want to demand answers and I think that when you go to fan fiction writers, no one can give a concise answer anyway. But i digress. aftter all Joey, what may be satisfactory to some may not be satisfactory for all. after all Enquiring minds really do want to know.

:coyote:

[judyindisguise]

So then who's directing the new season of American Dragon? They can't have the man on two shows at once can they?

And Judyindisguise, I understand that you don't like the newer Oddparents, but that's no excuse to take it out on DP and Kim Possible..
I'm not taking anything out on KP. I'm just saying that I hope the person who okayed the kind of crap that stunk up FOP's newer episodes will not get his soiled hands on our girl. Okay? As for Danny Phantom...I don't like Danny Phantom. And yes, I have watched it. In fact I watched almost every ep up to "Ultimate Enemy", which was derivative as hell IMO and pretty much ended my interest in the series. DP is in fact a showcase for Butch Hartman's weaknesses as a writer, which include a willingness to sacrifice a character's integrity and likeability for the sake of a joke (and said joke, BTW, is usually about as old as Methuselah and probably wasn't even that funny back in HIS day), and a "that was then, this is now" attitude when it comes to consistency in his storylines. He also has a tendency to exaggerate a character rather than develop it. There, now you have my reasons why I don't like DP. Let's move on.

[I.R Joey]

There is an old saying Joey, that when you leave more questions then Answers in a story the end result is that people tend to question the issue, rather then settle for the "And they just lived Happily ever after" part. After all, Humanity is a curious society where we question things every day and once our curiosity has been piqued, and our answers fulfilled then it's time to end it. not before.

After all have you ever thought about which did really come first between the Chicken and the egg? I have and it has sparked many a debate along philosophy circles.

but Like I said, when you leave an unfinished book with too many questions and Not enough answers, people will want to demand answers and I think that when you go to fan fiction writers, no one can give a concise answer anyway. But i digress. aftter all Joey, what may be satisfactory to some may not be satisfactory for all. after all Enquiring minds really do want to know.

:coyote:

Like I said back in April (and again continuing with that weird allusions to books, and novels), I personally really don't need to know what happenes to charecters sometimes. I mean Jane Austen, who some believe was one of the greatest romance/comedy authors ever, didn't need to write a book called "The Darcy's" nor did Tolkien need to write a book called "The Third age of Middle Earth" (or would it have been 4th after ROTK?)

Of course I'm not saying that Kim Possible is in anyway to be compared to such great classics of literature, and storytelling but the point remains that sometimes an ending is conclusive enough to not need anything else. Much more, adding extra material might spoil the mood of endings that had really incredible impact.

I guess the sum total of my argument is that sometimes its best for things to leave off at the top of their game, rather than keep going until nobody cares about how you end. I mean I know of more than a few Simpsons fans who have claimed this is true for their show, and as a person who enjoyed both Rugrats and Ruroni Kenshin I have to say that both shows might have been better served without their later episodes (and I say that about Rugrats, even though I am a big fan of Tara Strongs acting and her ability to pull off baby noises so convincingly)

Still we won't know for sure how good or bad these episodes are until the middle to late part of 2006 (at the earliest, it's about a 9 month production cycle for traditionally animated cartoons), so I'll reserve my judgement.


I'm not taking anything out on KP. I'm just saying that I hope the person who okayed the kind of crap that stunk up FOP's newer episodes will not get his soiled hands on our girl. Okay? As for Danny Phantom...I don't like Danny Phantom. And yes, I have watched it. In fact I watched almost every ep up to "Ultimate Enemy", which was derivative as hell IMO and pretty much ended my interest in the series. DP is in fact a showcase for Butch Hartman's weaknesses as a writer, which include a willingness to sacrifice a character's integrity and likeability for the sake of a joke (and said joke, BTW, is usually about as old as Methuselah and probably wasn't even that funny back in HIS day), and a "that was then, this is now" attitude when it comes to consistency in his storylines. He also has a tendency to exaggerate a character rather than develop it. There, now you have my reasons why I don't like DP. Let's move on

All right I'll drop it, I just suspected that you were one of those FOP fans who don't like the way the show is being handled now, and are shifting that anger towards the bashing of Danny Phantom. You know for "stealing Butch Hartman and the creative team away", and yes such people do exist. And I don't think Mr. Marmel had any kind of say on the later FOP episodes (besides co-writing the really good T.V special Channel Chasers). But if you say you dislike it for legitamite reasons then who am I to argue.

So anyway, has there been any word from the American Dragon people on what's going on with that shows directing?

[Schooley]

Hey, glad to see everyone for the most part is excited to see some new episodes. Just to answer a few of the questions brought up here and elsewhere...

The new episodes will take place Senior Year, after So the Drama's JUNIOR prom. (I know some thought that it was Senior, but it wasn't, trust me. We didn't paint ourselves completely into a corner. We made sure there was a door there.)

We don't begin new recordings until January, but as far as we know, everybody is back on board.

There will be new villains, but we haven't exactly seen the last of Drakken and Shego either, even if they are still in jail when the season begins.

We are planning on some changes to shake things up a bit, but it will still be the same blend of comedy and action that it has always been.

Yes, So the Drama was meant to give the series a nice happy ending, so it was a bit of a challenge to get back into the series after that, but that's actually been a lot of fun. There's always graduation...

Steve Marmel is actually next to our old office, but he's busy on his own stuff, which looks fun, so he's not on Kim. Seems like a fine fellow though. We do, however have a new writer on board that is actually named Kim. Which can't hurt, we figure.

We feel great about the new episodes so far. As you might imagine, after we wrapped up the movie, we would still get random ideas to do with the characters and it was frustrating to not be able to use them anywhere.

Plus, we have more fun working with this cast of performers and artists than anything previous in our 15 years at Disney. Booyaa!

Oh, and by the way, Sky High, now available on Disney DVD and PSP. Makes a great stocking stuffer.

[I.R Joey]

Hey, glad to see everyone for the most part is excited to see some new episodes. Just to answer a few of the questions brought up here and elsewhere...

The new episodes will take place Senior Year, after So the Drama's JUNIOR prom. (I know some thought that it was Senior, but it wasn't, trust me. We didn't paint ourselves completely into a corner. We made sure there was a door there.)

We don't begin new recordings until January, but as far as we know, everybody is back on board.

There will be new villains, but we haven't exactly seen the last of Drakken and Shego either, even if they are still in jail when the season begins.

We are planning on some changes to shake things up a bit, but it will still be the same blend of comedy and action that it has always been.

Yes, So the Drama was meant to give the series a nice happy ending, so it was a bit of a challenge to get back into the series after that, but that's actually been a lot of fun. There's always graduation...

Steve Marmel is actually next to our old office, but he's busy on his own stuff, which looks fun, so he's not on Kim. Seems like a fine fellow though. We do, however have a new writer on board that is actually named Kim. Which can't hurt, we figure.

We feel great about the new episodes so far. As you might imagine, after we wrapped up the movie, we would still get random ideas to do with the characters and it was frustrating to not be able to use them anywhere.

Plus, we have more fun working with this cast of performers and artists than anything previous in our 15 years at Disney. Booyaa!

Oh, and by the way, Sky High, now available on Disney DVD and PSP. Makes a great stocking stuffer.

Mr. Schooley, it's nice to see you posting on this forum again. I hope you'll be back in the coming months?

So am I to assume that the scripts have already been written. Can you answer my question about how Mr. Loter intends to divide work between two shows, or for that matter if American Dragon has a new head director?

I will keep my mind open, but I'm still a bit aprehensive. Still it's nice to know that at least you guys are back on.

And I was just at Sky High this afternoon (no kidding our library was the building used for the super hero high school ). :sweat:

[Freedom Fighter]

I have this feeling that Christy Romano got out of her gig playing Belle in the stage version of Beauty and the Beast and that's why they were able to start work on a new season of Kim Possible. :)Actually, her gig as Belle ended back at the beginning of April... it was limited engagement (about six to eight months) and she wasn't asked to renew her contract. Oh well... if I had the time and money, I would've tried to go up to NYC to see one of her shows.

So she's already been gone from that role almost seven months, so I can't see KP's renewal being held up because Disney was waiting for her.

On a somewhat related note, the fact that it looks like everyone's coming back (both cast and crew), at least it doesn't seem as if they were any contract disputes (like there was with Lizzie McGuire).


I can't say I saw this coming at all. In the majority of cases, Disney doesn't give a hoot how many fans love a show. And yeah, they could either pick up from "So The Drama"....OR, they could completely ignore it. Don't be surprised if you end up seeing nothing relating to that movie in the series.
A relationship doesn't really HAVE to affect the series dramatically though. Isn't it possible (no pun) for Kim and Ron to date and the episodes to still be as funny as they were before?I hope, for the most part, their relationship is kept in the background. Basically, that means on a normal basis we're limited to the basics... handholding, long stares into each others' eyes, the occassional casual kiss on the cheek (or something similar). That still leaves room for a few episodes for the usual relationship-focused woes. I just don't want the whole Kim-Ron thing feel like it's been stuffed in our faces the whole season.


The new episodes will take place Senior Year, after So the Drama's JUNIOR prom. (I know some thought that it was Senior, but it wasn't, trust me. We didn't paint ourselves completely into a corner. We made sure there was a door there.)So that was a junior prom? Wow... there goes most fans' impressions that one season = one school year.

[creativerealms]

This is good news, but as others had said resurections often bring shows back as shells of their former selves. I hope that does not end up being the case with KP.

[Shift]

The whole 'coming back to life' issue is always a big one. You look at 'Rugrats,' 'Dexter's Laboratory,' 'Powerpuff Girls,' and 'Johnny Bravo.' They all came back as hollow shells of their old selves, mostly because some familiar cast and crew mates didn't come back. The lone bright spot might be 'Ed, Edd n Eddy,' though the jury's certainly still out on that.That's precisely what I was thinking. I've seen too many examples where a resurected show is a mere shell of what it once was. Spongebob Squarepants definately needs to be added to that list; preferably in the top slot for being the worst resurection of a good show ever. The Eds seem to be doing okay; the writing is on par with that of season 4, and the acting is still pretty good. That's why you have to be cautious with a show resurection; there's so much potential for it to completely destroy the franchise.

[Wanted]

I'm going to have to guess that Tokyopop owns the rights to Kim Possible comics outside of Disney Adventures which, if this is all they're going to do, is a real shame.Well, it's all Disney wants them to do.

[Burdette25159]

Hats off to Disney for resurecting Kim Possible. I think disney should resurect the following too:
Bonkers
Darkwing Duck
House of Mouse
Teamo Supremo

[Snailbait]

So that was a junior prom? Wow... there goes most fans' impressions that one season = one school year.Actually I believe the first season was 10th grade. A Sitch In Time was the beginning of 11th grade. And now the fourth season will be 12th grade.

[Ron_Stoppable]

its great to hear that a new season is comming.cus i need more! lol

[judyindisguise]

Hats off to Disney for resurecting Kim Possible. I think disney should resurect the following too:
Bonkers
Darkwing Duck
House of Mouse
Teamo Supremo
I'd go along with Darkwing Duck, IF he gets a better supporting cast. As for the rest...meh.

[Lonestarr]

I am happy and disheartened by this news.

Happy: "Kim Possible" was a good show; well-produced, funny and, at times, quite clever. It will be interesting to see what the new episodes have in store.

Disheartened: There are a number of people who were putting Kim and Ron together and now that the show is back, they'll be in a relationship. I do hope that this is kept to the back-burner. Seeing characters in a shippy mode may be nice for the majority, but that is not a good reason to watch a cartoon. In the third season, something happened to Ron: he became afraid of everything and his voice started to sound like he hadn't reached puberty. I really hope that this doesn't happen; Ron reminds me of myself...and seeing me without dignity makes me feel very put out.

[Justy]

JOY...RAPTURE...HAPPY TIDINGS...!!!

Thanks and congrats to Disney for bringing back one of their best TV series ever. For me, KP had the best writing of any recent Disney animated TV series. The only ones currently airing that are up to KP's standards are Dave the Barbarian and Brandy and Mr Whiskers.

I honestly felt confident (and wrote so in this forum) that between the ratings that STD received and the strong desire of the show's fans to continue the show, Disney would not let KP vanish so easily, although I felt it more likely that they would produce a new movie rather than order new eps. Don't be surprised if another movie is produced after the 22 new eps show up.

Thanks again, Disney. Now the waiting begins....KIM & RON Together in '06!!

[Hurricane V1]

This show has been going downhill. If this new season is for real, I'm hoping that the episodes will greatly improve.

[judyindisguise]

This show has been going downhill. If this new season is for real, I'm hoping that the episodes will greatly improve.
Personally, I'm very tired of Rufus. I realize he's a necessary evil, but I'm very tired of him. Now on to my likes: My fave episode of KP is the one where Kim gave everybody - even the bad guys - her cold. That ep was a riot. My second fave was the one where Kim and Shego got that emotion controller thingy stuck on them. Ron's collapse after Kim's kiss was a hoot. Everything else about the ep was a hoot too. I'd like more eps like those. And I'm SOOOOO glad this excellent toon is coming back! Wow! Quality won one for a change!!!

[Conan-san]

Huh, I wonder if this also speaks volumes for WITCH's future.

[Iron G]

Don't get too exicted, guys...

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/7090/dartheisner9la.png

[Conan-san]

Don't get too exicted, guys...

Oh, just close from wining an internet, the correct answer was a picture of Stewie and Peter from Family Guy watching as he who must not be named as torn to shreads by crocodiles before Peter assures Stewie he'll be back.

[tucsoncoyote]

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/7090/dartheisner9la.png Obi-Wan Coyote (My Cousin) : and you know what Darth? ... uh whatever your name is.. We'll be waiting!

(Hey a little tongue in Cheek humor never hurts.. Go ask Ronald McDonald!) (http://forums.toonzone.net/showthread.php?t=155553)

Or Better yet, my cousin Obi-wan Coyote will summon The Insane Squirrels! (http://forums.toonzone.net/showthread.php?t=155688)

(Shego: Or even better yet, I blame the eggnog on this one...). :p:evil:
(Dr. Drakken: Have some Cocoa Moo! Iron G, It's Soothing!):D

:coyote:

[stargirl]

:crying: :crying: :crying: :crying: :crying: :crying: *crying happily*

OMG! (sob) This is so great. I mean (sob), I can't believe (sniff) we finally won!

[The_Magick_Hat]

Something just occurred to me. If fan demand was enough to bring a fourth KP season, does this give more hope for an eventual season DVD release? It'd be cool for those (like say...ME!) who've missed out on the first few seasons to be able to catch up in time for the fourth. I know it isn't likely that all three seasons will be out before season four starts, but it'd still be a nice thought.

[rogue10]

Cool, new season, I want to see more relations between Ron and Kim

[AnimatedSnow47]

I watched this show for the first time with the second-to-last episode, just like I did with Futurama, and began to enjoy it. It's good to hear that it will be picked up for another season.

Now, Disney, where are the new episodes of Dave the Barbarian? :confused:

[Snailbait]

Now, Disney, where are the new episodes of Dave the Barbarian? :confused: Not coming. Unfortunately, Dave's ratings were low and Disney has no plans to bring it back for a second season.

[MGFanJay]

As a relatively new fan of the show (first seeing it in the past month), this is a great news. I can't wait to catch up on all of the eps, and now that new ones will be made, we can see if they follow the ending of So the Drama.

[RonDrakenfan17]

Well this is good news for me. Here's what I'd like for the new coming season;

. More Ron/Monkey Fist Fights

. More Ron/Draken Episodes

. More Ron/Kim Romantic scenes between Each Other

. More Foe's for Ron

. More Ron Being Brave

. Just More Ron lol

Over all I'm happy Kim Possible is back for a fourth season, I just hope Mr.Loter is reading what I have to say lol. Either way great the show is back. I was also kind of hoping Monkey Fist could get a story Arc now that Draken and Shego are in jail but oh well lol.

[SuperStantzio]

This awesome news indeed! I'm so happy that this show is getting a 4th season. :)

[Snailbait]

. More Ron/Monkey Fist Fights

...
I was also kind of hoping Monkey Fist could get a story Arc now that Draken and Shego are in jail but oh well lol.
It's funny you should mention this. I was really hoping for more closure on the Monkey Fist story in Gorilla Fist. It was a disappointment. Hopefully we will get more of him; he's an awesome villain. I'm also hoping there will be many more episodes with the Seniors (great characters).

[The Huntsman]

I’d like to see ol’ Frugal Lucre come back, he said he might be back if his mother pays his bail, I really believe he was one of the best villains in the series. The series returning gives him another potential chance to return, though I really have no idea if they’ll re-use him in a new episode; I hope they do, however.

[Tintin]

Same i'm not a KP fan, i'm glad to this show rerurn for a new season with new adventures. This is proof than we're bring togheter our forces, we can accomplish something. I hope than re-airing one day such classics like Bonkers, Darkwing Duck and the gummi Bears like with Aladdin now

[Ron_Stoppable]

funny pic lol

im a KP fan so im realy happy,my whole lifestyle is Ron!,im not lying

and yes,i wanna see new eps of the classics,darkwing n stuff,duck tales,tailspin and stuff

[BadGirl No.1]

:sad: kim possibe is really good i say is very good the show is good.... But i want to see new eposodes

[Lonestarr]

I’d like to see ol’ Frugal Lucre come back, he said he might be back if his mother pays his bail, I really believe he was one of the best villains in the series. The series returning gives him another potential chance to return, though I really have no idea if they’ll re-use him in a new episode; I hope they do, however.

That would be so very nice. Lucre does not get the respect I think he deserves.

[tucsoncoyote]

:sad: kim possibe is really good i say is very good the show is good.... But i want to see new eposodes well the good News, BadGirl No.1, is that you will Get those NEW episodes, 22 in all , A full season, of KP and in fact this season will be more suprrising as for all the shippers out there,Kim and Ron are indeed Dating,but some rather interesting surprises are going to be in store..
and I won't divulge what those are!

You'll have to wait and see.. so come sometime between June and September 2006, .. The answers will be revealed!

So Stay Tooned! Cause the best (ane wildest) KP Season is yet to come!

:coyote:

[Ember McLean]

I nearly burst into happy tears to hear that KP is making a comeback. Congratulations, KP fans! Looks like they're keeping their 65 episode policy after all. At first I didn't know what was going on untill I gathered some information that Disney always have a 65 length episode depending on ratings of the cartoon series (unless I'm wrong about this).

At least thats what I heard. I don't know if my information is inaccurate or not.

[MGFanJay]

22 eps? Fantastic! I would've been happy with any, and with an order that size, they must have big plans for KP.

[judyindisguise]

well the good News, BadGirl No.1, is that you will Get those NEW episodes, 22 in all , A full season, of KP and in fact this season will be more suprrising as for all the shippers out there,Kim and Ron are indeed Dating,but some rather interesting surprises are going to be in store..
and I won't divulge what those are!

You'll have to wait and see.. so come sometime between June and September 2006, .. The answers will be revealed!

So Stay Tooned! Cause the best (ane wildest) KP Season is yet to come!

:coyote:
Now you've got me. I'll be there!!! :D

[Snailbait]

well the good News, BadGirl No.1, is that you will Get those NEW episodes, 22 in all , A full season, of KP and in fact this season will be more suprrising as for all the shippers out there,Kim and Ron are indeed Dating,but some rather interesting surprises are going to be in store..
and I won't divulge what those are!

You'll have to wait and see.. so come sometime between June and September 2006, .. The answers will be revealed!

So Stay Tooned! Cause the best (ane wildest) KP Season is yet to come!

:coyote:And how exactly do you know this?



I nearly burst into happy tears to hear that KP is making a comeback. Congratulations, KP fans! Looks like they're keeping their 65 episode policy after all. At first I didn't know what was going on untill I gathered some information that Disney always have a 65 length episode depending on ratings of the cartoon series (unless I'm wrong about this).

At least thats what I heard. I don't know if my information is inaccurate or not.

Uh, you're wrong. Kim Possible has already reached 65 episodes. They're extending it.

[Howl]

I'm not a big fan or anything, but I'm glad to see it back.:anime:

[tucsoncoyote]

And how exactly do you know this?
LEt's just say it's ovvious in a lot of the artist sights that I look around in, expeically some of the good ones..

case in point (Since I can't post links in this group, I suggest you take a look at Deviantart, and most Natably one artist by the Name of 'Levelord' I think he expresses how the fans feel and if you note the picture, let's just say Teamp Oissible is going to have a new Look, (and Season 3's Team Impossible was the Key hint..)

So sure it may be one artst but then I wouldn't go around putting artists in their place, sometimes they know a lot mrroe then we observers do.

after all the next Generation of animation and Cartoon artists usually derive themselves from the work they do.

Nuff Said,

:coyote:

[Snailbait]

LEt's just say it's ovvious in a lot of the artist sights that I look around in, expeically some of the good ones..

case in point (Since I can't post links in this group, I suggest you take a look at Deviantart, and most Natably one artist by the Name of 'Levelord' I think he expresses how the fans feel and if you note the picture, let's just say Teamp Oissible is going to have a new Look, (and Season 3's Team Impossible was the Key hint..)

So sure it may be one artst but then I wouldn't go around putting artists in their place, sometimes they know a lot mrroe then we observers do.

after all the next Generation of animation and Cartoon artists usually derive themselves from the work they do.

Nuff Said,

:coyote:
OK. Just curious.

[KRnut82]

Well, I'm glad it's comming back. It shows that fans can make an impact. Just as long as the romance between Ron and Kim isn't the main focus aside from an episode or two I don't think I'll have any problems with it.

[Ember McLean]

And how exactly do you know this?


Uh, you're wrong. Kim Possible has already reached 65 episodes. They're extending it.
Oh, okay. My mistake. Thanks for informing me.

[Snailbait]

Oh, okay. My mistake. Thanks for informing me.
You're welcome. Sorry if I sounded rude.

[Ember McLean]

You're welcome. Sorry if I sounded rude.
Thats okay. I believe you were just being blunt with me, though.

[Ron_Stoppable]

22 eps!!!,im gonna be stuck with my TV every time a new ep are showed :D

[Snailbait]

Thats okay. I believe you were just being blunt with me, though.I was in a bad mood. But now I'm not!