What if there was a NEW Batman cartoon that wasn't done by Timm, Dini, and company?

[Calhoun07]

Would anybody watch it?

[James Harvey]

Hmmm...probably not. I really can't see anyone else handling this show quite as good as Timm and the crew. I can't see a new version staying true at all to the tone and intent of BTAS/TNBA.

[ZorBrak]

I was just wondering that the other day, as time goes by they are bound to start a new animated universe someday and leave Dini and Timm's behind, although I forsee that this one will remasn for a while longer, its just hard to imagine, it could be good, or dare I say it, possibly better and closer based to the comic story line but it'd be REALLY hard to top Dini and Timm's work, but then again it could take step down like the God awful X-Men Evolution did from X-Men TAS and Spiderman Unlimited did from Spiderman TAS

[Failure]

I'd give it a chance, you never know who has some great ideas out there. Dini & Timm & co. have done a great job, but that doesnt mean anyone else couldnt do as good, if not a better job (even if the odds are low).

[Nightflower]

I'd probably watch it out of lack of anything better to watch (Toon land is pretty dismal, lately :( ). I doubt it'd top the old series though.

[Barb Gordon]

I'd probably be skeptical at first. But I would watch it, and if I enjoyed it, then I'd probably keep watching it.

Barb^-^

[Karkull]

I'd like to see them try it--it would be mercilessly compared to Timm and Dini's work. And, of course, we would never give the issue rest, :rolleyes:.

[The Game]

It depends.

If someone tried to do "Timm and Dini's Batman" I would revolt in rage, but the animated Batman can't end with them.

I'd give anything with "Batman" written on it a decent chance- well, except another Joel Schumacher movie.

[peterparker05]

If a non-Dini-Timm Batman show was created, I believe it would have to take place in another animated universe and not the previously established ones.

[kid_flash]

Of course I'd watch it! The names "Bruce Timm" and "Paul Dini" and "Alan Brunett" and all those guys isn't what sits me down in front of the TV every week. I sit down in front of the TV every week to watch my favorite characters on TV! I mean, what's cooler than that?

And like Zorbrak said, sooner or later someone else is gonna do it. Facts of life. Hanna-Barbara didn't handle Batman and Superman and everyone forever, and neither will these guys.

[Calhoun07]

I have to believe that there is another creative team out there that, if thrown together at the right time, could make a fine Batman series that would be on par with the animated universe we all know and love. I have to believe that there are great ideas out there other animators have that they can bring to the screen for Batman. As another poster suggested, the world of Batman cartoons does not revolve around Bruce Timm, and I would have to concur. This is Bob Kane's baby, and all these creators have just given their own take on the character.

I liked Batman before Bruce Timm did his take, and just as there are several talented writers and artists who give us great Batman comic books, I am sure that there will be great animators and writers who will beable to bring us great Batman cartoons in the future. I just want it to be a new universe, and not a new creative team brought on to do it in the style Timm established.

[Poison Carley]

Like look at Transformers. I liked watching the Beast Wars show but then like they gave it to someone else and Beast Machines was terrible. They totally ruined that. And whats with this new one? hehe I am like totally off topic but somethings are never the same when you make such big changes. There I am back on topic. :) So like we would have to see it before we could pass judgement, but the odds are not in the favor of the new crew putting out a good product.

[Mr. Obsession]

It depends:

If they decided to start over I'd watch it but I'd be fearful that all we'd get would be a rehash of BTAS. Sure there could be some improvement over the original like more mob stories or giving some the of the lesser villains the lime light. But do you really want to sit through retellings of episodes that were done perfectly before, like "Heart of Ice" or "Two Face" or "Feat of Clay" or "Robins Reckoning". Because if you're going to restart you're going to have to do origin stories.

However, if they were continuing where TNBA left off then I'd probably be all for it especially if Conroy is still voicing Batman and Hillary J. Bader isn't allowed to submit a script. :)




And for the record I didn't think Beast Machines was that bad -- well the first season. :rolleyes:

[joshualane]

I think that if Batman were to be done again then it would have to be different than what they've previously done or what's the point really. We've already had our future Batman with Batman Beyond so the only other logical place to go would be to the past to Batman's origin. Smallville is doing it with Superman and X-Men Evolution is doing it with X-Men. Heck, even the Spiderman movie deals with him when he first becomes the web crawler and that's going to spin off it's own CGI animated series.

...now that I think about it, if we get a Batman: Year One movie, do you think Warner Brothers would do some sort of animated series or DTV dealing with Batman's origin and early days as the Dark Knight to capitolize on the films eventual success?

[BWDK]

as long as Joel Schuhmacher's not handling it I'd watch it :)

[Karkull]

If they did decide to do it, they could try their hand at doing a better interpretation of the Penguin. They could also give Catwoman, Man-Bat, and the Riddler some more stories. They could do some better Joker stories (no Christmas With the Joker). They could keep Nora Fries dead. They could adapt The Long Halloween as Two-Face's origin. There's a lot they could do...

...but it's still unlikely (at least for a long time). Think about how much people revolted when they changed Superman's voice recently. Now apply that backlash to the entire franchise.

[Nass]

I don't think they're the only two people in the universe who can make a good batman story, so yeah Id watch it, and probably like it. Why would I like it? Because I liked Superfriends as well as Justice League. :p

[Poison Carley]

Its funny I was thinking about this topic. Like if they did do a new Batman I think it would be more comic based. You know how they love to include diversity soooo I think Cassie would be Batgirl.

[Calhoun07]

Originally put forth by Karkull:

Think about how much people revolted when they changed Superman's voice recently. Now apply that backlash to the entire franchise.

It's also like the people who can only imagine Batman and the Joker being voiced by Kevin Conroy and Mark Hamill. I am going to go out on a limb here and say that there are probably as of yet discovered voice actors who could also do a great job in those roles.

[cysurf]

I wouldn't mind seeing a more mature Batman animated show. Something for a teen and older audience, rather than a children's show.

[The Mad Hatter]

Honestly, there's a chance that a non-Timm/Dini Batman show would be as good. Though personally, I think that the best time for a new show by new staffers would be a couple of decades down the road. Certainly, Batman would be in need of a new revision by then anyhow. The strength of the character is that he keeps evolving and doesn't get stale. Not to mention that the show could be judged on its own merits in that time.

[James Harvey]

I could see a new show started, but not for a long time yet. JUSTICE LEAGUE is just starting so that'll be around for at least 3 or 4 more years. I could see a new take on the Dark Knight happening but it would be weird. Like when FOX aired Spider-Man Unlimited mere monthst after Spider-Man: TAS ended. It was just...weird.

[ZorBrak]

well, the ones we have had recently are definatly not children's shows but...they could be a little more mature, yeah that'd be cool if it were even darker....

[kid_flash]

Yeah...and they made it more realistic....and the villains actually kill instead of injure....and people bleed when they should...and they actually show what Bruce Wayne does with his time (he ain't Batman 24/7!)...and they actually have Tim Drake instead of Jason Todd....and....and....and......

Man, it sounds like I'm really knocking on BTAS. Sorry 'bout that.

[Nass]

In response to Cysurf's idea, I think a mature batman show would be cool, while Timm has worked that darkness into these shows like a genius, a HBO Batman show would be cool. I mentioned that awhile ago, like the Spawn series.

[peterparker05]

A Batman show on HBO similar to Spawn would be awesome. It would also be very different from the all ready established animated shows which it would need to succeed.

[kid_flash]

Yeah, except fewer people get HBO than those who get Cartoon Network.

[James Harvey]

I can already see the complaints from little kids who somehow catch the show at midnight (well - if kids are watching Adult Swim...) about it being too violent and gritty blah, blah, blah. I think a mature Batman would be a cool idea. I'd like to see some of the more risque Batman comic stories like Arkham Asylum and the Batman: Vampire trilogy worked into animation.

[peterparker05]

Originally posted by Dick Grayson
I can already see the complaints from little kids who somehow catch the show at midnight (well - if kids are watching Adult Swim...) about it being too violent and gritty blah, blah, blah. I think a mature Batman would be a cool idea. I'd like to see some of the more risque Batman comic stories like Arkham Asylum and the Batman: Vampire trilogy worked into animation.

Ditto

[ZorBrak]

I think a new comic based show should have a 3 parter with the predators or a Marvel Crossover now THAT would be AWESOME.

[kid_flash]

Three words: The Killing Joke.

[Calhoun07]

Do you think that Timm, Dini, and Co could ever get the green light to do more serious Batman DTVs along the lines of Arkham Asylum and Killing Joke?

Those would all make for great animated feature films, but I would almost rather see a new serious adult oriented Batman story created for a DTV or for a HBO series. And as for kids that might catch a midnight airing of an HBO produced Batman series, so???? As one person said on the Adult Swim board in response to the ratings showing that more kids were watching Adult Swim, the programmers at these TV networks CANNOT be responsible for babysitting people's kids. I say let them get the green light to do the shows that need to be done and let the parents worry about their own kids. I could care less if 6-11 year olds see it.

[oranthal]

what is wrong with Hilary Bader's writing? seems most people in here is always on her case about her writing. i don't get it. someone explain it to me please.

[Calhoun07]

I just notice that the episodes I feel are the weakest tend to have her name on them, is all. I don't see her name and automatically feel the episode will be bad. Actually, I rarely pay attention to the writing credits at the beginning of an episode, but it's after it's over I check if I didn't like it as much, and 9 times out of 10, it's got her name on it.

[James Harvey]

She has just done some dissapointing episodes, Warrior Queen instantly comes to mind. Then again, she has done the rare good episode like You Scratch My Back and Freeze's return in Meltdown. I was very dissapointed in her Cold Comfort episode, mainly becuase she created those darn Freezettes - UGH!

[kid_flash]

But she also wrote "In Brightest Day," and I have yet to find someone who doesn't like that episode.

But, yeah, in general, her stuff is not that great.

[mosszonedotcom]

It will be difficult for any tv show to top Animated Batman. However, it doesn't look like Timm and Dini are going to produce any more Batman episodes sans Justice League. If they won't do it, I say the more Batman the better. Just don't make it some weak, "politically-correct" cartoon.

[ZorBrak]

Originally posted by mosszonedotcom
Just don't make it some weak, "politically-correct" cartoon.


I know! anyone remember X-treme Ghostbusters? boy, that ripped the heart and soul out of the franchise bending over backwords to be "politically correct" political correctness is so stupid, and Disney editing out a guy smoking a cigarette in their classic cartoons becuase it offends "some people" THAT is the most absurd thing of all. Anyways point is PC cartoons stink and lets hope the next toon is true to the comics and dark PLEASE NO BAT MITE!!!