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Karkull
11-14-2005, 09:14 AM
We've got our reason for Aquaman's "absence" from JLU; here's an article from Variety:

The WB is taking the "Aquaman" plunge, teaming with Warner Bros. TV and the team behind "Smallville" for a primetime take on the DC Comics superhero.

Scribe-producers Al Gough and Miles Millar ("Spider-Man 2") have signed on to create and exec produce an as-yet-untitled action drama revolving around a twentysomething Arthur Curry, aka Aquaman. Frog has made a put pilot commitment to the project, which has already begun casting. "Smallville" vet Greg Beeman is aboard to direct the pilot.

As with "Smallville," their successful reinvention of the "Superman" saga, Gough and Millar plan to focus on character rather than cheese. Skein won't be called "Aquaman" -- indeed, the "A" word won't even be mentioned -- and Curry "won't be talking to fish or riding a seahorse," Gough said.

And while "Smallville" recently generated great ratings with an episode featuring an appearance by Aquaman, the new project won't be a spinoff. To underline that point, Alan Ritchson, the actor who played Curry on "Smallville," isn't under consideration for the role in the pilot.

"He did a wonderful job on the show, but this is going to be a different version of the 'Aquaman' legend," Gough said. The pilot "will be different than what you saw on 'Smallville.' That was our out-of-town trial version."

News of an Aquaman skein makes for a case of art imitating art: HBO's "Entourage" spent its most recent season exploring the idea of an Aquaman feature directed by James Cameron and starring fictional thesp Vincent Chase (Adrian Grenier).

"We talked about seeing if we could get Adrian to play our Aquaman and really mix realities," said WB Entertainment prexy David Janollari.

Spinoffs and satires aside, Millar said he and Gough are hoping to create "a grounded version of the Aquaman mythology," focusing on an Arthur Curry who "knows what he wants to do with his life, which is protect the oceans."

Unlike Clark Kent, Curry is a more extroverted character, even a bit cocky and hotheaded at times, the two producers said.

As for plots, "The stories will come from the environment: ocean polluters, evil oil companies and other (threats to the) environment," Gough said. Skein will be set -- and possibly lensed -- in the Florida Keys, not far from the Bermuda Triangle, which will be another major story engine.

"There's a mystery surrounding the disappearance of (Curry's) mother and the Bermuda Triangle," Gough said, adding that other freaky occurrences related to the Triangle will provide plot points.

Curry will have some superpowers, though he's just beginning to understand them. He'll be able to breathe underwater and have superstrength in water; even a little bit of water will boost his power, allowing producers to explore some plots on land.

Character's adopted father will be an officer in the Coast Guard, and he'll also have a mentor who'll help train him, the producers said.

Janollari, himself an avid diver, said that when Gough and Millar first pitched the idea of an Aquaman episode of a "Smallville" episode, he took to it like a fish to water. "I always thought he was one of the coolest heroes in the DC Comics library," he told Daily Variety.

As work on the episode progressed, he said, "It became clear there was a WB series in Aquaman ... potentially the next-generation hit for us in the vein of 'Smallville.' "

Millar said he and Gough "have been reluctant to dive into television again," since they're enjoying a feature career working on pics such as "Spider-Man 2" and "Herbie: Fully Loaded."

And while they considered a possible Lois Lane skein, "This was the first idea where we really thought we had a franchise, where we could see 100 episodes," Millar added.

Unlike Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman, Hollywood's been relatively cool toward Aquaman until recently.
He had his own animated skein in the early 1960s and was a regular presence on the long-running "Super Friends" Saturday ayem skein in the 1970s and '80s. By contrast, the other three superheroes have all had live-action TV series and, after Joss Whedon's "Wonder Woman" is released next year, all will have had their own feature franchises as well.

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This comes out after a blurb from Entertainment Weekly, who reported online last week that, "The New York Post notes that DC Comics has told Cartoon Network's Justice League Unlimited not to include the scaly hero in future plotlines, which suggests that he's being saved for use elsewhere." The fragmentation of the DCAU continues...

...Still, I'm not trying to cause a panic here. In the grand scheme of things, Aquaman was always a minor player on Justice League -- aside from "The Enemy Below," he's only appeared in a handfull of supporting roles. He's not a team player, was rarely on missions, and his first responsibility is to Atlantis. It's not like he's being ignored...he's just too busy running his country and raising his kid to help out all the time. Besides, we've still got fifty-plus heroes to use, Orm was lame (and is now dead), and we've still got Black Manta pitch-hitter Devil Ray to kick around. So, I guess I'm cool with this, though it does stink that the creative team loses another player.

Thoughts?

A.J
11-14-2005, 10:30 AM
1. I dont enjoy Smallville at all and the upcoming "Aquaman series" do not sound that exciting to me at all. Of course we gotta wacth it first and then give our judgement.

2. We kind of knew there was a "aqua-embargo" when Mr. Mcduffie refered to the use of Devil Ray instead of Black Manta but I guess this confirms things for us.

3. I loved Aquaman in JLU, I think he is the best. If this comes reality Ill miss him a lot but then we have no idea if JLU is gonna end sometime soon. Id like a 4th season but the way of CN airing the new episodes doesnt sound good for me.

Bird Boy
11-14-2005, 11:00 AM
Oh joy. Another superhero show from the producers of Smallville. I hope it's as good as Birds of Prey.

And I bet you that the Bermuda Triangle will be the show's "Kryptonite" freak of the week reason. I can already see Black Manta emerging all powerful after being bitten by a Bermuda Triangle shark!

-BB

maxnugget
11-14-2005, 11:01 AM
Right, consumers won't be confused by a different live-action version of Aquaman on Smallville but seeing an animated Aquaman with a hook on his hand and an underwater kingdom, that's just way too confusing...

PeterFries
11-14-2005, 12:02 PM
Wow, so negative. I think the Aqua-embargo actually makes sense, if you think about it -- there was an animated "Young Aqualad" series in development at WB, right? Now imagine if "Aquaville" or whatever is a huge hit on WB -- there's already an animated spin off with some development and design on the shelf. Sure, I admit that's unlikely, but if you're a brand manager it makes a kind of sense.

Also, isn't it cool to see WB trying again after the Birds of Prey debacle to bring one of their vast library of DC properties to prime time? At least it wasn't Wonder Woman -- I doubt anyone will even notice Aquaman is missing from JLU since he's still there in reruns (assuming there ever are reruns again).

I was watching Batman Begins last night and thinking about how WB originally talked about doing a "young Bruce Wayne" series, but when a "Batman: Year One" project started up in development, they switched gears to do Smallville instead. It's possible that Smallville's popularity in turn helped greenlight another Superman movie...

The speed of this development also makes me wonder if the Flash guest episode of Smallville was a test for that character's viability as a WB series -- remember we heard that one was in development, too,last year? Now imagine a Flash embargo having prevented the season finale of JLU last year, or the upcoming episode with Wally's rogues gallery.

For that matter, imagine if Birds of Prey had been enough of a hit to stay on the air, possibly making Huntress and Black Canary off limits for JLU...

Simpler Simon
11-14-2005, 02:03 PM
Just wondering why Superman gets to see three different incarnations (animated, live-action, featue film) without any kind of character rights/embargo screwing things up, while Batman gets a villain embargo and Aquaman is completely off limits?

Doesn't Aquaman's mythology firmly establish a connection with Atlantis right from his "origin"? If so, turning him into another "orphan with special powers" takes away some of the uniqueness.

Im really just surprised they didnt cast someone in the smallville episode who could hold his own potential series. Kinda kills what might've been a fun link between the shows.

Silly McGooses
11-14-2005, 03:28 PM
They have this same discussion in the Entertainment forum.

maxnugget
11-14-2005, 03:39 PM
The only good explanation I can think of for making Aquaman an "orphan with special powers" (to borrow Simple Simon's phrase) is that it would be too expensive to re-create Atlantis proper on a TV budget (unless your name is HBO).

Think about it: That entire description they gave of the show in the press release, you could have done all of those things and STILL had Atlantis. Heck, have Atlantis in/near the Bermuda triangle. I mean, Bermuda Triangle, that's going to be a centerpiece of the show? It's better than nothing I guess, but it seems slightly cheesy (especially now that scientific explanation was proposed about why ships and planes crash there). I just don't quite get it.

It's not like you can say "we wanted to keep it real, so we chose to not use Atlantis." I mean you've already got a guy who's got all these underwater superpowers. Frankly it's much more plausable that he is the result of a group of humans (aka mammals!) evolved over time to survive better underwater than that he is some sort of metahuman spawned on earth (even if he's just a natural "mutation," that's a pretty big evolutionary jump over us regular ground-dwelling humans).

Anyway, I'm not angry, I just think it's silly to take what makes a character and his world special and then work backwards towards the next teen drama show. But then I've never read an Aquaman comic, and I've only watched about two episodes of Smallville so I don't even really have an opinion on Smallville. :)

Every time I think about the general concept of taking a superhero and "reinventing him for the real world," I'm reminded of the Darren Arronofsky/Frank Miller "Year One" script, which, from the sound of it, took almost everything that was a hallmark of the Batman mythos and removed it in order to keep it "real." As opposed to the Nolan/Goyer script that kept it "real" by simply not being ridiculous, yet still recognizing that there was nothing "unrealistic" about a rich kid's parents being murdered, him growing up in a mansion with a butler named Alfred ("Big Al"? <shudder>), and hunting down evildoers in Gotham City with the help of his trusted ally, an honest cop who doesn't need to cheat on his wife and drink beer to appear "real" (as if the world is so terrible that the idea of there being even ONE honest cop with moral scruples is "unrealistic"...I think that's taking the "everyone needs a vice" idea just a tad too far! Can James Gordon curb his alcoholism and infidelity, or will he miss his rooftop meeting with Batman, failing to tip him off to the fact that GPD is planning a trap for him...).

Anyway...

Squall
11-14-2005, 03:57 PM
OK, Aquaman appeared on Smallville? How did the writers pull that off? Atlantis is, well, on the floor of the Atlantic Ocean... and Smallville is in central Kansas, about as far from the ocean as you can get. Did he swim upstream through the Mississippi River or something?
:confused:

PeterFries
11-14-2005, 04:31 PM
Every time I think about the general concept of taking a superhero and "reinventing him for the real world," I'm reminded of the Darren Arronofsky/Frank Miller "Year One" script
Yeah, that's Frank Miller for ya, always "realing" things up.

Squall, Aquaboy turned up in Smallville because Lex was testing an underwater sonar weapon in a big lake there and hurting fishies, presumably because Lex wanted the military to witness his tests and then take it big time, with all the implications for the oceans, and not so much because Aquaboy was worried about Kansan fishies.

Karkull
11-14-2005, 04:56 PM
Just wondering why Superman gets to see three different incarnations (animated, live-action, featue film) without any kind of character rights/embargo screwing things up, while Batman gets a villain embargo and Aquaman is completely off limits?Perhaps they view "Superman" and "Superboy" (c'mon, that's technically who's on Smallville) as separate licenses.

PeterFries, you've inspired me. From this time forward, I move that, until the series name is released, we refer to the show as "Aquaville."

Sirkenz17
11-14-2005, 05:27 PM
And...cue the immenent laughter.;)

FALLEN ELDOR
11-14-2005, 05:32 PM
OK, Aquaman appeared on Smallville? How did the writers pull that off? Atlantis is, well, on the floor of the Atlantic Ocean... and Smallville is in central Kansas, about as far from the ocean as you can get. Did he swim upstream through the Mississippi River or something?
:confused:


Doesn't Aquaman's mythology firmly establish a connection with Atlantis right from his "origin"? If so, turning him into another "orphan with special powers" takes away some of the uniqueness.


Aquaman is Arthur Curry, Son of a lighthouse keeper and Atlantian outcast.
He adventured all by him self for some time before he found out his mom was an atlantain princess. Also Just like Superman Aquaman had adventures as "Aquaboy", He even teamed up with Superboy.

For more on Aquaman's comic history I suggest reading this, I didn't know about Aquaboy until I read it! http://www.monitorduty.com/mdarchives/2005/09/alan_kistlers_p.shtml

Alos a helpful wikipedia entry is very informative http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aquaman

DisneyBoy
11-14-2005, 08:02 PM
I personally think that Aquaman had one good story left in him, in terms of JLU. I mean, he's been helping the folks on dry land now for years, without ever really needing to. It's not like he ever officially joined the League, and he certainly never made any friends amongst the big seven. Unless he joined up because he felt he owed them for their help. Batman and Green Lantern did save the world after all. After his great debut I'd really hoped to see him grow and develop instead of just getting the cameo treatment.

Oh well. Just another one of the many things that makes Justice League Unlimited a bit frustrating to watch.

What would it take to convince WB that this exclusivitity treatment towards big name characters being used in the media is plain stupid?

Shadow09
11-14-2005, 08:14 PM
Right, consumers won't be confused by a different live-action version of Aquaman on Smallville but seeing an animated Aquaman with a hook on his hand and an underwater kingdom, that's just way too confusing...
I know I would be confused by that. I am really lucky they have suits to make it a lot easier for me to determine these things for me, thank goodness for them.

Revelator
11-14-2005, 11:57 PM
I personally think that Aquaman had one good story left in him, in terms of JLU.

Considering that "To Another Shore" was originally planned to include Aquaman, that statement is especially true. I wish we could have seen what that episode would have been like with his involvement.


What would it take to convince WB that this exclusivitity treatment towards big name characters being used in the media is plain stupid?
When one considers how they used to cross-promote the characters (such commissioning Sub-Zero to tie in with the fourth Batman film), one wonders just what persuaded them to change their way of business.

Karkull
11-15-2005, 09:35 AM
When one considers how they used to cross-promote the characters (such commissioning Sub-Zero to tie in with the fourth Batman film), one wonders just what persuaded them to change their way of business.Funny you mention Sub-Zero -- story was back in the day that it was withheld from release when they realized that it was much better than the awful Batman & Robin. Maybe they're afraid that Bruce Timm and company will upstage them yet again.

maxnugget
11-15-2005, 10:48 AM
Funny you mention Sub-Zero -- story was back in the day that it was withheld from release when they realized that it was much better than the awful Batman & Robin. Maybe they're afraid that Bruce Timm and company will upstage them yet again.Hollywood already has enough problems concerning the lack of quality in movies and TV shows. The LEAST of their concerns should be trying to keep the good-quality stuff off the air for fear that it will upstage their generic, unimpressive efforts.

Hollywood is like any other industry: when it needs to, it can be competitive. Look what's happened on prime time television with comedy and drama series. First you had one or two exceptionally good, non-generic, non-crappy shows. In response, other networks had to start greenlighting something other than the next painfully-generic sitcom starring already-famous actor. Now, there's a wealth of high-quality content on TV every night (though the acceleration curve is slowing again). Hollywood only *thinks* they can't be original. What they need is a frequent kick in the pants to make them up the ante.

Here's a comforting thought: The amount of money it takes get generate more creative ideas and hire more talented writers, directors, etc, is a pittance compared to the cost of all those horrid CGI special effects for films that were destined to flop the moment they picked the script and the director.

Here's another comforting thought: when your movie or TV show is actually good, you don't have to blow insane amounts of money on a Fantastic Four-sized marketing campaign.

Here's one more comforting thought: If Hollywood likes to play it safe, only using creative talent with a proven money-making track record, the more risky productions you greenlight, the more new "safe" talent will be discovered, and the more abundant the opportunities for safe ventures will be. And the more in demand, "discovered" talent there is, the less money that talent can command, so you'll be able to cut back those $20 million actor fees.

Give some talented people who don't have blockbuster track records 1/16 the budget of a "major motion picture" (TM), and chances are reasonably good 1 or 2 of those 16 will come up with something dynamite. Is that really much more risky a strategy than dumping $200 million into some brainless action movie that's only going to make money because there's nothing better in theaters or because you've successfully thwarted other quality shows from getting released?

So see? It's not so financially risky to make good movies and TV.

Knight
11-15-2005, 03:01 PM
It really sucks that Aquaman wont be on JLU anymore he was one of the more interesting characters who didnt get to show up as nearly as much as I would have liked. Plus he had one of the better designs. I dont understand Dc's reasons for limiting their characters to certain areas. Oh well R.I.P. Orin.