C&C - Fullmetal Alchemist - "Reunion of the Fallen" [11/12]

[The Landstander]

It will be taking place at the bottom.

[NahMan85]

What's up with that ending, so to speak. Was that intentional or was it some fowl-up with the song? Seems like a fowl-up to me. Somebody screwed up in the tape room. I think someone is getting a pink sheet.

[Timmay]

What's up with that ending, so to speak. Was that intentional or was it some fowl-up with the song? Seems like a fowl-up to me. Somebody screwed up in the tape room. I think someone is getting a pink sheet. Wrong thread.. and as I can tell from Naraku-sama's post in that thread, it was supposed to be like that.

[NahMan85]

Wrong thread.. and as I can tell from Naraku-sama's post in that thread, it was supposed to be like that.
My bad, I kind of lost my place when I was watching that happen, Everyone, please disregard this post. :o Will place where it needs to go. Strange.

[MattThomasM2B]

Dr. Stiles guest stars in Full Metal Alchemist, and he brought the healing touch with him!!

[NahMan85]

What does Ed and Al have in the brief case anyway? Or would revealing that spoil something please don't answer if this would spoil for the viewers. One more thing that cubby guy saying if he could eat that guy after the other guy killed him was funny. Can I eat him please, can I eat him, please please. Man this stuff is good. :) Sorry for the horrible memory of names, there are too many to remember. especially the villains.

[DragonPup]

This is one of my favorite episodes. :)

[FireStarterLE]

if i'm not mistaken, that's Vash .......

So Lust didn't really change form from Human to homunculus, she looked the same when she was lying there

*and according to animenewsnetwork, i'm not mistaken. So Johnny Bosch is doing some VA work with FUNimation now

[KojiroTakenashi]

Disturbing-as-hell episode. Lust worked her way off the hate list, then right back on again.

Envy is even worse, though.

[Animeforever'04]

o.oh god the was @!#*%$ awful! what a horrible ending:eek: :crying: :ack:

[Mr_Millions]

Wow. That was really quite good. I had forgotten Lust's Ishbalan connection. I'm looking forward to more answers about the humonculi. Though given the way things are set up, I won't be too upset if I don't get all that I want. They are mysterious beings, and that mystery may always remain.

[Tash]

Dear writers:
I enjoy watching Full Metal Alchemist every week. This week, I tuned to see an episode involving Lust. I do not mind Lust as a character, but I do not like the fact that it seems you are trying to make her "more human". I cannot feel sorry for a character who has not seemed interested in remorse prior to this episode. Please do not pull something like this again.

-Me

If I was in Japan when this episode originally aired, I'd write that letter.

[NickWhiz1]

This episode marks the official split from the manga, and it's a pretty good one with a damned disturbing ending.

It seems like it wants to make you sympathize with Lust, but by the end you hate her even more.

We're so close to 37, the best episode in the series...>_<;;;

[Scirel]

Disturbing-as-hell episode. Lust worked her way off the hate list, then right back on again.

Envy is even worse, though.
I remember this episode as cemeting my hate of Lust I`m sure this was their point, and I find it odd that they turned her into a sympathetic charachter later on.

She basically ****ed up their lives, and it was presented in such a way that made them so disspassionate as to hate Lust so much, especially after she killed him.

But you`re right about Envy, though.

[Hyper Shadow X]

The ending was just messed up.

[Steiner]

Boy, that was a depressing episode. He's hugging her and then bam, right through the chest. It was interesting to hear Vash in a Funimation show, though.

[Tenku]

Man, this episode has wrecked me for a couple of days. :crying:

[Humble]

I think I'm in shock. The only thing I can do shiver and stare into space. Disturbing yet excellent.

-Humble

[PickHut]

Man, that was depressing. At the beginning of the episode, I was joking that everyone would die by the end of the episode, but man............ I didn't think it would actually happen:ack: .

I give Reunion of the Fallen a B.

[LucheLibre]

Yep, this is gonna have to be one of those episodes I watch a few more times to fully grasp all the little implications that it sets down, not to mention the myriad of visual clues shown.

Darn this show and it's wonderful attention to detail...

I love the misdirection in this episode. We think we've got Lust figured out, and then...well...we find out rather abruptly that we didn't have a darn clue. Then after that, we find out that we're still wrong and needed to adjust a few brain cells to take in the new information. Gotta love it.

I do have one irritation with this show, though. Al either loses every fight he's in, or he doesn't fight at all. Ed gets all the credit for being tough and skilled, when we've already seen that Al could beat him down without breaking a sweat. All I want is to see Al get his just due and show why a big, bad, sentient hunk-o'-steel should be feared by all lesser beings.

*grumble*

[Riza Hawkeye]

This episode is probably one of my least favorite episodes, likely because I never was much of a fan of Lust. This was a good episode to learn a little more about Lust. Overall, the episode was pretty disturbing. The sickness affecting the town painful to watch. I had the same reaction as Ed, Al, and Winry's did to seeing the townspeople when I originally watched it, I didn't expect everyone to be dead.

Watching this episode, you should wonder how many towns did suffered a similar fate as this one? It's clear that the Homoculi did this type of thing many times.

Oh, I'm not going to do any screenshots for this episode unless someone wants something specific from it.

[Juu-kuchi]

Man everytime I think of this episode it creeps me out.

Yes, not much longer until 37.

[Vallen Valiant]

Well, before you guys bash Lust for what she did, remember that she gave him a chance. Quite possibiliy one chance more than anyone else she had worked with.

She left the village, and him, because a part of her wasn't ready to kill him... The part of her that was once human remembered another man just like him, whom her former self once loved.

Lust risked the anger of "the Master" by abandoning her mission. Gluttony told her she shouldn't leave before the work is done... the Master will be angry...

Had he abandon his craft and alchemy, had he stopped his research as she had hoped...

Ironically, it's because the alchemist fell in love with her and can't let all this go, that she had to go back and finish what she started.

Such was the danger of lust... Live by love, die by love.

[TnAdct1]

if i'm not mistaken, that's Vash .......

*and according to animenewsnetwork, i'm not mistaken. So Johnny Bosch is doing some VA work with FUNimation now Not only that, but also the girl that was the doctor's fiance was voiced by another LA-based voice actor, Carrie Savage (Maromi from Paranoia Agent).

Of course, thanks to Carrie's role in this episode (and I think another Funi anime as well), some people on the Anime on DVD boards would like to see her work on either Tsukuyomi ~Moon Phase~ or Negima.

[ClockStomper]

I think this episode is intentionally misleading. While it does show us hints from Lust's past, I think the true point was to show a paralell Ed and Al's situation.

Like Ed and Al, the doctor and his village were manipulated by the homunculi into a quest for the philosopher stone. However, the doctor, upon seeing Lust again, forgot about his duty to his village and his former fiance and only thought of his own selfish desire for Lust.

Killing him was actually a betrayal of the homunculi's plan, since all she should have done was pointed him in the direction of making a real philosopher's stone. But she killed him because it was made obvious his weakness, in sucumbing to his own desires, was a betrayal of his people and he'd never have what it took to succeed. His people were as good as dead anyway, all on his account.

Hence, the story is a reflection of the Ed/Al dynamic, only they have a chance to succeed because of their absolute loyalty to each other. Neither would ever stray from their objective and betrayal.

[Vallen Valiant]

I think this episode is intentionally misleading. While it does show us hints from Lust's past, I think the true point was to show a paralell Ed and Al's situation.

Like Ed and Al, the doctor and his village were manipulated by the homunculi into a quest for the philosopher stone. However, the doctor, upon seeing Lust again, forgot about his duty to his village and his former fiance and only thought of his own selfish desire for Lust.

Killing him was actually a betrayal of the homunculi's plan, since all she should have done was pointed him in the direction of making a real philosopher's stone. But she killed him because it was made obvious his weakness, in sucumbing to his own desires, was a betrayal of his people and he'd never have what it took to succeed. His people were as good as dead anyway, all on his account.

Hence, the story is a reflection of the Ed/Al dynamic, only they have a chance to succeed because of their absolute loyalty to each other. Neither would ever stray from their objective and betrayal.I can't actually fault your reasoning, it's very good, but I do have my own interpretations.

Lust already knew by then that the Alchemist doesn't have the true talent to EVER make the PhS. The disease she spreads as well as her personal encouragement was so he could make the stone. Standard procedure, when it is found that he isn't "the one", is to eventually kill him and everyone in the village to spread the rumor that "searching for the PhS will cause a deadly curse to bear on all who desired it".

Instead, Lust left.

But to her disappointment when she returned, the man had not abandoned the search for the PhS or left the village. He loved her, and wanted to see her again (hence he stayed), as well as unable to abandoned the research which the one he loved cared about.

Since he is still searching for the PhS, Lust had no choice but to finish her mission... "All who searched for the Philosopher's Stone have perished", and there will be no exceptions...

The Master is cruel like that.

[Artimus Gigan]

Meh, I saw the ending coming a mile away I mean they never really showed value for anyone unless they could help them.


You knew she was going to kill him at the end, however I found it interesting they showed the memory of when the Ishbalen guy tried a human transmutation and showed the perspective of her mutated corpse before it reverted to a Homunculus.

[Vallen Valiant]

Meh, I saw the ending coming a mile away I mean they never really showed value for anyone unless they could help them.


You knew she was going to kill him at the end, however I found it interesting they showed the memory of when the Ishbalen guy tried a human transmutation and showed the perspective of her mutated corpse before it reverted to a Homunculus.Well, this IS the first solid proof that Lust has a link with Scar.
By the way, Lust's original name was never known. But we in the internet fandom ended up calling her Cheryl. Don't ask why. Scar's brother is also named Bruce, to pair the two up.

Cute, huh?

Anyway, as I said, it was that man's own fault he didn't run when he had the chance. Lust's love from a splinter of her leftover humanity spared his life, but his love for her held him back. Lust doesn't actually hate the man; merely that he was foolish for loving her. She can't afford to disobey her Master a second time.

EDIT: Look at this from Lust's prospective: She had spared one person's life for the first time ever, and likely got beaten up/punished back at home base for failing to do what she was told. Probabily lost quite a few red stones in the process, and now here he is again, waiting for her! What did she get punished for, if he ended up staying right where he is so she had to kill him anyway? If anything, this taught her that kindness is a waste of time!

[A.Magik]

Very disturbing episode.

First Crispen Freeman, than Sean Schemmel, now Johnny Yong Bosch is doing voicework with casts from different companies (And I hear Kyle 'FUNi Teen Gohan' Herbert is going to do stuff for Naruto). Yes, I know these VA aren't isolated to just one VA company, but things like this don't happen often.

A.Magik

[silvanoir]

FMA doesn't have many happy endings to episodes/stories do they? :crying:

The way I see it, it was the human side of Lust (mostly made of memory) that was kind to him, and the sin side that came back and killed him. In the first time, I'm guessing she hadn't been a sin long and still had that little bit of humanity left, but now, after being a sin for a while and doing what she does on missions, she's lost it.

And the reason she's killed him now is it's been decided they're pushing Ed and Al to search for the stone, and therefore, don't need the doctor guy anymore.

But still, really cruel. I though the doctor would just die of the stabbing, and his fiance would live somehow ... but everyone in that village was turned to stone in the most painful way possible ... horrible.

[G1Ravage]

Wow...Johnny Yong Bosch!!!

[Demonic Raven]

Sad episode. We got some backstory, albeit only a little bit, for Lust. Even then, it's hard to sympathize with her. It's the same with all of the Sins really.

So we see the "method" that they use. Find a worthy candidate for finding the stone, put him in a situation where he will want to find it, and if he fails to do so...kill him. Very twisted.

9/10

[Andrew T. Hingson]

JYB and Carrie Savage were quite a surprise. I didn't invision Lucian with a voice that high but it worked.

This is a sad episode. So in the manga does it end happier?

[Youko Recca]

Yeah, sad episode and all, but there was one part that made me chuckle. When she opens her eyes and spots that her right arm is all horrid and ghastly-looking. While laughing I was all, "Ha, surprise!", and then her scream sealed the deal.

[Maenos]

This is a sad episode. So in the manga does it end happier?
In a way, I suppose. In the manga, it doesn't even happen at all, so they don't get wiped out :) (if they exist at all in there, anyway)

[BDawg]

It had a tough act to follow but this was pretty fillerish to me. I knew that guy was gonna end up dead one way or another, the whole town dying well FMA is just nice like that. We need some Scar/Mustang action or something.

[Timmay]

JYB and Carrie Savage were quite a surprise. I didn't invision Lucian with a voice that high but it worked.

This is a sad episode. So in the manga does it end happier?
The anime is a different story from episode 26 onwards. So this episode, and Lust's backstory as being Scar's brother's lover's failed human transmutation, don't exist in the manga.

[David Lucas]

One thing I'll give props to with the FMA anime writers is actually involving Scar's brother.

In the manga, the truth takes things from people as a toll for stepping on forbidden ground.

Al lost his body, to make up for the lost soul needed for Trisha's resurrection.

Ed lost his leg, which he uses to stand with his family.

Izumi lost the ability to ever reproduce.

It's all kind of tied in with whoever the person tried to bring back and their relationship to them.

So the next time you see that scene of Scar's brother opening the door to reveal the failed transmutation of Lust, look real closely at where the blood on him is located.

And keep in mind that Lust was his lover.

I wonder what the truth took from him....

[Space Chief]

... the Master will be angry...
I wish I'd seen "Manos" so I could make a joke here.:sad:



So the next time you see that scene of Scar's brother opening the door to reveal the failed transmutation of Lust, look real closely at where the blood on him is located.

And keep in mind that Lust was his lover.

I wonder what the truth took from him...
:eek: :ack: :o

Well, I know now that I'll never try to resurrect anybody.

Why do the homunculi have red markings on them now? Or is that a potential series-shattering spoiler?

Jeez... After IY you expect a happy ending and then...this.:sad: This was an interesting episode and I love this show, but it really is a downer.

[purplehairedwonder]

Damn, sounds like I missed a good episode. I get something of a gist from reading the talkback, but does someone want to give me a recap?

[RayAllen]

^^ sure

In a diner, Lust, Gluttony, and Envy discuss the events surrounding Greed's demise. They also discuss the future of Wrath who is under the care of Sloth. Lust, however, seems preoccupied wondering where they have come from and where they are headed.

Suddenly, there is a car crash outside. A critically injured passenger is healed in a glow of red light by a passing doctor. Standing up, the doctor, Lujon, sees Lust.

Ed, Al, and Winry head south hoping to eventually reach an Ishbal camp. With no other leads, Ed hopes that the people of Ishbal will be able to give him some information regarding the Philosopher's Stone.

Out of the woods, Ed hears the screams of a woman and dashes off to save her. Ed easily takes care of them. Afterward, the girl introduces herself as Lydia. She has left her village in search of a man named Lujon...

Reunited after two years, Lujon asks the reason for Lust's disappearance. He asks her to supply him with a new stone that will save his village once again.

At that time, Lust and Gluttony were passing through a village ravaged by Fossil Disease. It is here that Lujon and Lust meet for the first time. She is the one who teaches him the alchemy he needs to cure Fossil Disease. Oddly, Lust experiences flashbacks of her past while with Lujon. Finally, Lujon is able to treat the disease he vowed to cure.

In a carriage back to the village, Lust tells Lujon that he must not seek the answer to everything, for it will destroy him in the end. Returning to his village, Lujon is able to save his people once again. However, he is killed by Lust who finds him no longer useful in obtaining the Philosopher's Stone.

Also arriving in the village is Lydia along with Ed, Al, and Winry. Everyone is the village has died of the Fossil Disease right after Lujon's death. The power of the Philosopher's Stone no longer kept the people safe. In the end, Lydia is able to die along side her beloved Lujon.

[Freedom Fighter]

So, this gave us an indication of what it meant to be named Lust, eh? And the sad thing is, the doctor brought it upon himself by falling in love with her and not paying attention to Lydia's affections.

I still have to admit seeing Lust impale Luzon was gut-wrenching.

The same with that disease that apparently turns people wooden. Ouch, that's a horrible epidemic to contract. That freaked me out even more.

8 out of 10 for "Reunion of the Fallen."

[The Koopinator]

Lust's hair seemed really wonky this episode, and not just when the wind blew.

Hmm, so Lust's human counterpart was Scar's bro's lover, she died, he tried to revive her, lost his balls, then the blood-spewing organ pile turns into Lust? Interesting.

I wonder if the other homunculi see memories when close to someone that looked like the alchemist who tried to revive him/her.

[Dark Soul]

This episode really disturbed me. I'm going to be haunted by this episode all week. Just the way everything ended the whole village dying just because the guy died and how you feel sympatheic towards Lust then bam you hater her even more.

I give Renion of the Fallen a B

[Sanwich]

I don't know, I seem to be in the camp that wasn't too impressed by this episode... I love FMA to bits, but this has got to be one of my least favorites so far.

I find it hard to determine what the point of it all was... I mean, at the beginning it seems like they were trying to portray Lust in a more symathetic light - like, maybe she isn't all bad after all... But at the end you realize this is just like all the other times the homonculi have manipulated people. It was all part of their plan, and she just followed through as she was supposed to.

Yes, the whole disease thing was disturbing and emotional, as was the girl's fate... But it just didn't feel necessary at all, aside from the few teeny flashbacks of Lust's death and/or creation.

Just my two cents.

[Vallen Valiant]

I don't know, I seem to be in the camp that wasn't too impressed by this episode... I love FMA to bits, but this has got to be one of my least favorites so far.

I find it hard to determine what the point of it all was... I mean, at the beginning it seems like they were trying to portray Lust in a more symathetic light - like, maybe she isn't all bad after all... But at the end you realize this is just like all the other times the homonculi have manipulated people. It was all part of their plan, and she just followed through as she was supposed to.

Yes, the whole disease thing was disturbing and emotional, as was the girl's fate... But it just didn't feel necessary at all, aside from the few teeny flashbacks of Lust's death and/or creation.

Just my two cents.It's not a waste of time, because seeds have been planted for future episodes...

Remember Greed? How he openly rebelled against "The Master" and got locked up for a hundred + years? The Sins don't do what they do because they are evil; they do what they do because a frighting Master told them they either get the PhS the Master's way, or they get VERY bad things happen to them.

Out of all the present Sins, Lust is the one who most openly desires humanity. That desire is stronger than even her fear of the Master. It's really like Scar; Scar is a mass-murderer, and that will never change. Yet he had a story to tell. Lust is a mass-murderer too, but the fact that she is even capable of compassion, no matter how minor it was, shows that she isn't pure evil.

[kaine23]

That was depressing...

[k-day42]

For some strange reason, I don't hate Lust at all.....

I'm still sympathetic towards her, regardless of the pain and suffering she caused to the guy and the villagers............kinda weird for me....maybe because the villagers and the guy should have seen it coming, and they got what's coming to them...:shrug:

But I still hate Envy..........he will never be forgiven for Hughes' death:mad:

[adoptedBatpuppy]

This it the first time my mom watched an episode with me. I filled her in on the story up to this far. At the end she still was confused and she doesn't get why Ed and Al can't be happy just being themselves, and forgeting about Philosopher's Stone that search will only get them in more trouble, and is seems impossible to find! :eek:

My questions will be on Who is Lujon? Is he a Doctor? I wonder if that stone in his ring is fake, since he associates himself with homuncili, Lust in particular, Is he an alchemist? Does Lujon know human transmutation? Is Lust trying to teach him? She seems to know much about fake philosopher's stone, but no clue on how to find real one. Who is the homuncilis with the spiked hair? Do we know what human she/he is created from. Did we meet homuncilis that resembles/created from Ed and Al's mom? :confused: At least for me, I found out whom Lust is created from? Lust seems the most dangerous of them all, killing anything she and her friend baby Gluttony choose for their own selfish gains! Mainly Lusts'.

How many times did Lust/Gluttony team did harm, to the villages desieases, wars, femine, and then seeked out a powerfull individual with little alchemy experience just to lead him/her astray in search of real Philosopher's Stone, and usually her plan back fired, then she killed him/her in return? That hapened in the begining of the series and now in the middle of it, in this episode! Anyone noticed the simularities? :eek:

[adoptedBatpuppy]

It's not a waste of time, because seeds have been planted for future episodes...

Remember Greed? How he openly rebelled against "The Master" and got locked up for a hundred + years? The Sins don't do what they do because they are evil; they do what they do because a frighting Master told them they either get the PhS the Master's way, or they get VERY bad things happen to them.

Out of all the present Sins, Lust is the one who most openly desires humanity. That desire is stronger than even her fear of the Master. It's really like Scar; Scar is a mass-murderer, and that will never change. Yet he had a story to tell. Lust is a mass-murderer too, but the fact that she is even capable of compassion, no matter how minor it was, shows that she isn't pure evil.
Who is the Master? Is he human? How did Greed escape?

[adoptedBatpuppy]

Lust's hair seemed really wonky this episode, and not just when the wind blew.

Hmm, so Lust's human counterpart was Scar's bro's lover, she died, he tried to revive her, lost his balls, then the blood-spewing organ pile turns into Lust? Interesting.

I wonder if the other homunculi see memories when close to someone that looked like the alchemist who tried to revive him/her.
I'm more interested in what does alchemists lost in trying to revive thier loved ones? Any chance Scar's brother lost his life? Since, we don't see him in any of the episodes thus far.

[Vallen Valiant]

Who is the Master? Is he human? How did Greed escape?About the third question...

Greed was freed by accident when explosives set in the Fifth Laboratory.. (or which ever laboratory Barry the Chpper Armour-version was guarding) were ignited. His alchemically-sealed prison was damaged by the explosion and he got out that way. I think it was Barry that activated the explosives...

I an't giving you the first two question's answers that easily.;)



I'm more interested in what does alchemists lost in trying to revive thier loved ones? Any chance Scar's brother lost his life? Since, we don't see him in any of the episodes thus far.
There's plenty of clues from the crazed mumblings from Scar thus far, hinting at the fate of his brother... Don't worry, his bro is rather important and will be covered in more detail later.:D

[Sanwich]

It's not a waste of time, because seeds have been planted for future episodes...
Well, I guess I can't argue with planted seeds. ;)

Once I see the entire series, perhaps my opinion of this episode will change then. That was basically my 'thus-far' impression. n_-;

[adoptedBatpuppy]

About the third question...

Greed was freed by accident when explosives set in the Fifth Laboratory.. (or which ever laboratory Barry the Chpper Armour-version was guarding) were ignited. His alchemically-sealed prison was damaged by the explosion and he got out that way. I think it was Barry that activated the explosives...

I an't giving you the first two question's answers that easily.;)

There's plenty of clues from the crazed mumblings from Scar thus far, hinting at the fate of his brother... Don't worry, his bro is rather important and will be covered in more detail later.:D
No arguement there, you don't want to spoil the series by answering many questions... :sweat:

[Yash]

Since this is in FMA topic, I command you all to watch this and laugh your ass off:

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself. (http://www.youtube.com/watch.php?v=FDCidr7I9OY)

Oh, and Lust sucks.

[TnAdct1]

Since this is in FMA topic, I command you all to watch this and laugh your ass off:

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself. (http://www.youtube.com/watch.php?v=FDCidr7I9OY)

Oh, and Lust sucks. Funniest Comedy/Action hybrid since the video that set Evangelion to the Tinfins trailer.

[livingfruitvirus]

Since this is in FMA topic, I command you all to watch this and laugh your ass off:

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself. (http://www.youtube.com/watch.php?v=FDCidr7I9OY)

Oh, and Lust sucks.
That's pretty good. Nicely constructed too.

[G1Ravage]

Since this is in FMA topic, I command you all to watch this and laugh your ass off:

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself. (http://www.youtube.com/watch.php?v=FDCidr7I9OY)

Oh, and Lust sucks.
Haha, that was great.

[Humble]

Since this is in FMA topic, I command you all to watch this and laugh your ass off:

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself. (http://www.youtube.com/watch.php?v=FDCidr7I9OY) The great part is that episode of Family Guy is on right now. :p

-Humble

[G1Ravage]

Did we meet homuncilis that resembles/created from Ed and Al's mom? :confused:
Yes. It'd be more obvious if you rewatched the show from the beginning, when Ed and Al sort of hint at it, but we already know. Spoiler, in CASE you haven't made the connection yet and don't want to find out. Then again, I can't be sure either, because I haven't seen the entire series yet. But this is my educated decision:

It's Sloth, King Bradley's secretary. She's the homunculus created from Trisha.

[adoptedBatpuppy]

One thing I'll give props to with the FMA anime writers is actually involving Scar's brother.

In the manga, the truth takes things from people as a toll for stepping on forbidden ground.

Al lost his body, to make up for the lost soul needed for Trisha's resurrection.

Ed lost his leg, which he uses to stand with his family.

Izumi lost the ability to ever reproduce.

It's all kind of tied in with whoever the person tried to bring back and their relationship to them.

So the next time you see that scene of Scar's brother opening the door to reveal the failed transmutation of Lust, look real closely at where the blood on him is located.

And keep in mind that Lust was his lover.

I wonder what the truth took from him....
Who is truth? Will we ever see her/him? :shrug:

[adoptedBatpuppy]

Yes. It'd be more obvious if you rewatched the show from the beginning, when Ed and Al sort of hint at it, but we already know. Spoiler, in CASE you haven't made the connection yet and don't want to find out. Then again, I can't be sure either, because I haven't seen the entire series yet. But this is my educated decision:

It's Sloth, King Bradley's secretary. She's the homunculus created from Trisha. Yet another Question:
Who is King Bradley?

[Swordfish_II]

Yet another Question:
Who is King Bradley?
He's the Führer. The guy with the eyepatch.

[TigeronStarfire]

I was just looking over an old episode, and I don't know if it's been stated before, but it might be appropriate since this episode related to homunculi causing people to search for the philosopher's stone, and it might clear up things or connect the dots for a few people.

Anyway, I've been thinking, homunculi need alchemists to provide 'lifestones' as I like to call them. These immature philosopher stones are created when alchemists try to forge the philosopher's stone, but in several (if not all) of the attempts we've seen so far, said alchemist was assisted by a homunculi in their search. However, the problem lies in that whenever they attempt to create the stone, either people become sick or are sacrificed in the creation of the stone. The stones then become food for homunculi to provide them 'lives', even though they can also amplify alchemic reactions, and why the homunculi support the alchemists' research for the stones. They need food! ^_^;;

Because of this, though, and Lab 5... I really do think the Furher might be Pride. I mean, if Greed was sealed in that chamber, who else would have the authority to hold him on military ground and yet not be seen or questioned by anyone else?

Now these are merely assumptions based on the information presented. I don't know how much information I might be missing, or if I'm dead on.

[shoujoaifan]

Who is truth? Will we ever see her/him? :shrug:The "Truth" as a person exists only in the manga version, since the Gate is different in the anime

(MAJOR Manga Spoilers...NOT the kind that would ruin the entire manga so far, but still ALOT better left as a surprise):The "Truth" is a "person", per say. When Ed accidentally arrived at the Gate in the manga, at the gate was this person, but he was only an outline of a person.

He goes on to say that he is everything and he is nothing, that he is what humans consider God, that he is the universe and not the universe, that he is the flow of the universe through which everything flows, that he is all life, including Ed.

Ed gets dragged into the Gate unwillingly like in the anime, and he does get alot of information crammed into his head (although it was soley alchemical info I think and not info on anything and everything like in the anime). He's taken out of it, but what's to get back in because he's sure he saw something that could make human transmutation possible or something that could lead to it (its been awhile, I'm a little fuzy).

But then "Truth" says he has to pay a fee, and the atoms of Ed's leg is taken away.....which the "Truth" now has! Part of his left leg is no longer an outline, but is Ed's!

When Ed offers up his arm to bind Al's soul to the armor, you see a scene where "Truth" looks at his own arm that becomes Ed's, and says something along the lines of "Back again for more?" or something like that (fuzy again).That's NOT alot of spoilers there, I just tend to be overly detailed when I get started explaining things :sweat: .

(But that is a MAJOR manga spoiler, so watch out!)

And if you think THAT'S anything, then check out the latest FMA manga chapter that was already released a few days ago in Japan. LOTS of revelations (makes the Anime Wrath/Greed arc that just ended unrevealing in comparison), LOTS of Gate action, and even a little manga "screen" time for Ol' "Truth"-y there :D But DOOOOOOOOOOON'T read if you haven't read the other chapters yet! Those lead up to it, and makes it SOOOOO much more gratifying when you put the effort into waiting.

Man I love FMA :p

[Timmay]

The "Truth" as a person exists only in the manga version, since the Gate is different in the anime

(MAJOR Manga Spoilers...NOT the kind that would ruin the entire manga so far, but still ALOT better left as a surprise):The "Truth" is a "person", per say. When Ed accidentally arrived at the Gate in the manga, at the gate was this person, but he was only an outline of a person.

He goes on to say that he is everything and he is nothing, that he is what humans consider God, that he is the universe and not the universe, that he is the flow of the universe through which everything flows, that he is all life, including Ed.

Ed gets dragged into the Gate unwillingly like in the anime, and he does get alot of information crammed into his head (although it was soley alchemical info I think and not info on anything and everything like in the anime). He's taken out of it, but what's to get back in because he's sure he saw something that could make human transmutation possible or something that could lead to it (its been awhile, I'm a little fuzy).

But then "Truth" says he has to pay a fee, and the atoms of Ed's leg is taken away.....which the "Truth" now has! Part of his left leg is no longer an outline, but is Ed's!

When Ed offers up his arm to bind Al's soul to the armor, you see a scene where "Truth" looks at his own arm that becomes Ed's, and says something along the lines of "Back again for more?" or something like that (fuzy again).That's NOT alot of spoilers there, I just tend to be overly detailed when I get started explaining things :sweat: .

(But that is a MAJOR manga spoiler, so watch out!)

And if you think THAT'S anything, then check out the latest FMA manga chapter that was already released a few days ago in Japan. LOTS of revelations (makes the Anime Wrath/Greed arc that just ended unrevealing in comparison), LOTS of Gate action, and even a little manga "screen" time for Ol' "Truth"-y there :D But DOOOOOOOOOOON'T read if you haven't read the other chapters yet! Those lead up to it, and makes it SOOOOO much more gratifying when you put the effort into waiting.

Man I love FMA :p
Indeed, the manga is incredible <3 for the latest chapter!

[EHal]

Without having any spoilers be revealed to me I have a quick question. I am a little fuzzy on how a homunculus is released. I know how they are created, but are they released then or do they stay in the gate and are released when they are, lack of better words, fully grown? Or are they released when someone else attempts a transmutation?

Just a little confused.

[NahMan85]

Just to be safe, I don't think it's necessary, here are my thoughts...

I hate being confused but like it at the same time, keeps you thinking. But the only thing I hate is that the show ends with you still thinking. You think you would get closure at the end of series but there really isn't an ending to everything. How is that suppose to work, or was the show created in the sense that it wasn't supposed to end per say? That's the way I see it.

How about you?

[Vallen Valiant]

You know, those people who read the spoilers might get confused between those spoilers from the manga and those spoilers from the anime...:sweat:

[David Lucas]

Indeed, the manga is incredible <3 for the latest chapter!
Arrgh! I didn't even know it got released, thanks for the heads up! MAN! I wish this series had already finished manga-wise in Japan before I found out about it, I WANT TO READ THE NEXT ISSUE NOWWWWW!

What a fantastic chapter! So many things are finally clicking, what with the whole Constantly talking about the "human sacrifice" among the homonculi and DEAR GOD!! A backstory to how Wrath was created! .

I WISH SOOOOO BAD that the anime writers waited a little longer before they made the anime. It should have been word for word the manga, this lady has got to have one of the greatest imaginations known to man. What a phenomenal story teller!

I don't know how having thos 2 spoilers is going to fare in this thread, where else can we talk about this? Should we open a new thread just for talkin about it somewhere, or should we just get in touch outside the forum?

I NEED TO DISCUSS THIS WITH SOMEONE! Noone else I know's even read past Vol. 3.

[The Koopinator]

I NEED TO DISCUSS THIS WITH SOMEONE! Noone else I know's even read past Vol. 3.
If my computer wasn't so slow, I'd probably be where you are.

[adoptedBatpuppy]

The "Truth" as a person exists only in the manga version, since the Gate is different in the anime

(MAJOR Manga Spoilers...NOT the kind that would ruin the entire manga so far, but still ALOT better left as a surprise):The "Truth" is a "person", per say. When Ed accidentally arrived at the Gate in the manga, at the gate was this person, but he was only an outline of a person.

He goes on to say that he is everything and he is nothing, that he is what humans consider God, that he is the universe and not the universe, that he is the flow of the universe through which everything flows, that he is all life, including Ed.

Ed gets dragged into the Gate unwillingly like in the anime, and he does get alot of information crammed into his head (although it was soley alchemical info I think and not info on anything and everything like in the anime). He's taken out of it, but what's to get back in because he's sure he saw something that could make human transmutation possible or something that could lead to it (its been awhile, I'm a little fuzy).

But then "Truth" says he has to pay a fee, and the atoms of Ed's leg is taken away.....which the "Truth" now has! Part of his left leg is no longer an outline, but is Ed's!

When Ed offers up his arm to bind Al's soul to the armor, you see a scene where "Truth" looks at his own arm that becomes Ed's, and says something along the lines of "Back again for more?" or something like that (fuzy again).That's NOT alot of spoilers there, I just tend to be overly detailed when I get started explaining things :sweat: .

(But that is a MAJOR manga spoiler, so watch out!)

And if you think THAT'S anything, then check out the latest FMA manga chapter that was already released a few days ago in Japan. LOTS of revelations (makes the Anime Wrath/Greed arc that just ended unrevealing in comparison), LOTS of Gate action, and even a little manga "screen" time for Ol' "Truth"-y there :D But DOOOOOOOOOOON'T read if you haven't read the other chapters yet! Those lead up to it, and makes it SOOOOO much more gratifying when you put the effort into waiting.

Man I love FMA :p

Not all of us live in Japan, but I will check out manga in the USA. :anime:

[adoptedBatpuppy]

He's the Führer. The guy with the eyepatch.
That's the top miliary position right? Roy wants to become the Fuhrer? ;)

Major Question: I was told He is the Big Boss of Homoncili! :eek:

[Youko Recca]

You were told wrong.