Batgirl instead of Robin! I think it has been solved

[jimmymiro12]

OK well I was really thinking about this hard today and I hope no one has posted this.

Maybe the reason that Batgirl was used in the Batman was because he was on Teen Titans. Now you may say that it was Tim Drake on TT but it has been confirmed that they are letting the fans decide. Could this be the reason?

Just a though



Jimmy m

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OK well I was really thinking about this hard today and I hope no one has posted this.

Maybe the reason that Batgirl was used in the Batman was because he was on Teen Titans. Now you may say that it was Tim Drake on TT but it has been confirmed that they are letting the fans decide. Could this be the reason?

Just a though



Jimmy m
No. One of the creators said Robin is Dick at the CC Convention. And as for Batgirl instead of Robin, I don't think there's any particular reason, but I think it was said that they didn't want to use Robin because it was too early in Batman's crimefighting career for him to have a sidekick. Batgirl, on the other hand, doesn't act like a sidekick to Batman, but more of a independent hero trying to fight crime.

[Azrael24]

i think its might be both. robin cant be used. i think matsuda said they couldnt use him but they would have liked to.

honestly i like it better this way, i dont know why but i do. now, itd be too weird to have robin on the show.

and batgirl is the greatest, shes my fav characters on the show, after catwoman

[sdp]

from the way i read interviews it seems its not because they can't use him but more of trying something new and what would work for The Batman.

[The Penguin]

This was never a mystery. The Batman is trying to reach out to girls. They added Batgirl to help them do that. Boys love Batman, but girls weren't as interested. A young Barbara Gordon gives them a reason to tune in.

[jimmymiro12]

Thanks for the info.

[Style]

No one's directly said they can't use him because of Teen Titans, but certain comments made have indicated this. (I believe Matsuda or someone else at one point said, "Well, Robin is too busy with the Teen Titans, so he won't be joining Batman this season.") That sounds an awful lot like company spin that says he can't be used because of the Titans to me. (It also fits with why they can't use him on JLU: Teen Titans.)

[Silly McGooses]

When I read the title of this thread, I thought you meant that Batgirl was a good substitute for the always-problematic Robin. Which I would wholeheartedly agree with.

[DerekPowers]

I actually disagree with most of the posts. While i like The Batman's Batgirl, and i loved her introductory 2-parter, I would have rather had Robin. I just think he'd work so well on this show, and i think the colors in his costume would really compliment the overall feel of the show, for some reason thats what i think.

Plus, essentially, they could easily have substitued Robin for Batgirl and made a similar type of episode(s) to introduce him. Instead of Ivy it could have been another Batman baddie, perhaps tied to why he is an orphan, de-aged to make him a teenager and Dick's friend, and it could have happened from Robin's POV, as Batgirl Begins unfolded from Barbara's pov. I think one of the reasons Batgirl is so liked on this show is the appealing way she was introduced and the quality of the episodes introducing her. Robin could easily been given that same treatment, and i think he would work better in this show than Batgirl.

Also, i didnt really care for Batgirls appearence after the 2-parter nearly as much. I just would rather have a Robin. Batgirl just didnt feel quite right, but its still a bit early to tell i suppose.

And its interesting to note that the reason why Robin isnt used in TB is still up in the air. I assumed it was because of an embargo since Robin is used on TT, but i only concluded that by some of the coversations had here on these boards. I guess the official word is still a mystery. peace.

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I actually disagree with most of the posts. While i like The Batman's Batgirl, and i loved her introductory 2-parter, I would have rather had Robin. I just think he'd work so well on this show, and i think the colors in his costume would really compliment the overall feel of the show, for some reason thats what i think.

Plus, essentially, they could easily have substitued Robin for Batgirl and made a similar type of episode(s) to introduce him. Instead of Ivy it could have been another Batman baddie, perhaps tied to why he is an orphan, de-aged to make him a teenager and Dick's friend, and it could have happened from Robin's POV, as Batgirl Begins unfolded from Barbara's pov. I think one of the reasons Batgirl is so liked on this show is the appealing way she was introduced and the quality of the episodes introducing her. Robin could easily been given that same treatment, and i think he would work better in this show than Batgirl.

Also, i didnt really care for Batgirls appearence after the 2-parter nearly as much. I just would rather have a Robin. Batgirl just didnt feel quite right, but its still a bit early to tell i suppose.

And its interesting to note that the reason why Robin isnt used in TB is still up in the air. I assumed it was because of an embargo since Robin is used on TT, but i only concluded that by some of the coversations had here on these boards. I guess the official word is still a mystery. peace.That's true. I don't think the creators have any intention of using Robin anyways though.

[FALLEN ELDOR]

I would actually like it if Batman made a backhanded comment about Robin. If he was Batman for three years prior to his first encounter with the Joker, it isn't all that unlikely that Robin already exits and is living in Jump City at this point in time on The Batman. The only logical problem is that two separate toy companies are producing TT and TB toys...I sure bet Mattel are kicking themselves for letting that one go!

[reflection]

It's really early in The Batman's career. Why do people want to see Robin on this show?

[Toddman]

It's really early in The Batman's career. Why do people want to see Robin on this show?It's later in The Batman's career (just over a year from the September 2004 premiere episode) than it was for the comic book version when Robin was first introduced (a little less than a year after Batman's 1939 debut). So some might think the timing looks just about right.


Toddman

[KiltsAreAwesome]

I like Batgirl but It would be nice to see Robin. I hope at some point he becomes part of the cast on a regular basis, even if it's not for a couple of seasons.

[adoptedBatpuppy]

No. One of the creators said Robin is Dick at the CC Convention. And as for Batgirl instead of Robin, I don't think there's any particular reason, but I think it was said that they didn't want to use Robin because it was too early in Batman's crimefighting career for him to have a sidekick. Batgirl, on the other hand, doesn't act like a sidekick to Batman, but more of a independent hero trying to fight crime.
Are you sure? I think Nightwing operates by himself, without much help from Batman, but Batgirl is indeed Batman's sidekick! :yawn:



No one's directly said they can't use him because of Teen Titans, but certain comments made have indicated this. (I believe Matsuda or someone else at one point said, "Well, Robin is too busy with the Teen Titans, so he won't be joining Batman this season.") That sounds an awful lot like company spin that says he can't be used because of the Titans to me. (It also fits with why they can't use him on JLU: Teen Titans.)
When Teen Titans are over, :crying: maybe Robin can join The Batman!

[Crystal]

Possible that Robin really joins the Batman after Teen Titans is over(who knows when that will be...), but I like how things have gone in the Batman. Batgirl is a nice character. I don't see a need for Robin yet.

[A.J]

It's really early in The Batman's career. Why do people want to see Robin on this show?
Uh, because Batgirl is already in the show when Robin should had been introduced first? :shrug:

I like Batgirl, this version of her is really bat-GIRL...she is just a little kid! Anyway, my point is that Ive learned to love this show and batgirl is just fine but since she is already in the show I think Robin should be as well at some point. I know there were reasons why Robin wasnt introduced first & I respect them. However, for the Batman mythos sake Robin should be around at sometime. If Batgirl wouldnt have been introduced then Id be fine wihout Robin but she opened up the gate...

[G. Wen]

I wonder if it's for PC reasons, you know, adding a powerful female character on the show because there isn't one...

[Beyond Batman]

Reasons why Batgirl was picked for The Batman:

1. Robin has been done in BTAS and TNBAS.

2. To appeal to girls.

I don't think a Robin embargo applys to this situation.

Batgirl seems to be well established as the hero "learning on her own." Batman doesn't go out of his way to teach her anything. Batgirl is more of a shadow to Batman than a sidekick.

I've always gotten the impression Batman trusted Robin and Batgirl in different ways. With Robin, Batman trusted him as a son. With Batgirl, Batman trusted her as an ally. Because of this, it always seemed Batman freely trusted Batgirl by allowing her be a hero. It's suitable due to her way of "self teaching." Whereas Robin was watched by Batman, and trained by Batman, with a much closer eye, trying to shield him from harm the way a father does to his son.

I like the direction The Batman is going in, introducing Batgirl first. Robin can still fit into the picture in a later season. I can imagine Robin, just a couple years younger than Barb, being both infatuated by her and jealously competitive. But a story like that takes a chance of removing the focus off Batman. Spinoff anyone???

[Crambam]

Robin may have been done before, but that's because he's part of Batman's life. That's like saying, "Joker's been done." My real problem is that Robin comes first. I like The Batman. I like the Batgirl character. But Robin comes first.

And I can't think of a real example of Dick Grayson being a KID. In the other TAS shows, Grayson was always much closer to being Nightwing. He was always at the end of his career as Robin. I would LOVE to see Robin at Tim Drake's age, but Dick Grayson. Do the origin. And set it up. It's also a way to cover Bruce's origin because the parallels are astonishing, which is why Bruce took him in in the first place.

I want to see Dick Grayson in Season 3 if not sooner.

[The Penguin]

I want to see Dick Grayson in Season 3 if not sooner.We're in the third 13-episode season right now so that won't happen. ;) I would like to see him though. If the show keeps going, I think season five would be ideal.

[Beyond Batman]

Robin may have been done before, but that's because he's part of Batman's life. That's like saying, "Joker's been done." My real problem is that Robin comes first. I like The Batman. I like the Batgirl character. But Robin comes first.I'm a huge Robin fan, however Batgirl is also a part of Batman's life too, just in a different way. Batman hasn't taken Batgirl yet under her tutelage... and I don't think he will in this show, not anytime soon at least. That spot is reserved for Robin. But in this case, we're exploring how an ally works in Batman's world who isn't a direct student of Batman the way Robin was. Robin can still fit in the picture, but I don't think Robin will make an appearance anytime soon.