which is the best of the star wars trilogy

[mxyzptlk]

by personal opinion i think that by far the best of the star wars trilogy was definitly a new hope and i was just wondering who agreed and disagreed with me.:o

[killercroc]

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[mxyzptlk]

no way dude a new hope u can not beet the original i mean for crying out loud obi one was not evan alive :D

[RockItShipper]

ESB, then TPM, then a tie between ANH and ROTJ

[mxyzptlk]

we was just talkin trilogy but i would say all of the trilogy are better than episode 1

[Clayface]

For me its:

1) ESB
2) TMP
3) ANH
4) ROTJ

[mxyzptlk]

1anh
2rotj
3esb
4tpm
:D :D

[RockItShipper]

One of the things I liked about ESB was that the heroes lost. And while the end of TPM suggests on a superficial level that the heroes won, it's just not the case. The whole conflict was designed for Sidious to gain more power. And that's why he's got that big***** grin at the end. He's got it made and the Jedi are completely ****ed but don't know it yet. That more than makes up for the lack of Fett in the movie. :D

[Calhoun07]

EMPIRE!!!

A New Hope was really the one I have watched the most, and will continue to love til the day I die, but Emprie just had more going on in it, and was the classic act two in the drama, where the heroes were faced with the impossible...and lost. Not that is why I love the movie, but it is just one aspect of why I loved that movie.

Return of the Jedi would be third on my list, but I really do think that movie could have been better. When Lucas wrote out the entire Star Wars saga (all nine episodes) in the early 70's, his plan was always to have episode six to wind up with the final battle focused on Chewbacca's home world. Chewbacca's people are slaves of the Empire, and episode six would have been on Chewbacca's home world instead of Endor and the Wookies would have risen up to war against the Empire and to help the Rebels to win, instead of those friggin annoying Ewoks. But Lucas had kids along the line, and I guess he felt he had to put some toy product tie ins for the yung'uns, but that ruined the movie. Just as his idea to have a character that appealed to the younger audience members ruined my fourth choice for best Star Wars movie....

The Phanom Menace. Jar Jar Binks is possibly the worst and most annoying character in a movie ever. The best thing I can say about him is the girls like him, which I guess isn't all that bad, but I could have done with out him. The Phantom Menace would have been SO much better if Lucas had included the scenes that are in the novelization but not in the movie. I really hope he includes those in the DVD release, because I think it would improve the movie quite a bit.

[Clayface]

Originally posted by calhoun07
But Lucas had kids along the line, and I guess he felt he had to put some toy product tie ins for the yung'uns, but that ruined the movie.



Actually, the reason he didn't do it on Chewy's homeworld was budget reasons. They couldn't afford to make all those full size wookie costumes, so they went with miniature versions, and thus the Ewoks were born. The Ewoks are a big reason that ROTJ is listed as fourth in my list.




The Phanom Menace. Jar Jar Binks is possibly the worst and most annoying character in a movie ever.



Its funny, but I actually loved Jar-Jar. And I think its because I knew about him before I went into the movie. I had been reading about the movie before I went to see it, and everything I read about Jar-Jar made my stomach churn. I really thought he was going to be the most annoying thing I had ever seen on the big screen. And I think I made him out to be so bad in my mind, that when I saw the real thing, it wasn't nearly as bad as I had imagined, and in fact, I found his rather enjoyable. Women love him. Kids love him. Its only stuffy adult males that don't! ;) J/k - I know there are plenty of women that don't care for him either, so its not just the guys though I do find a lot more men than women don't care for him.




The Phantom Menace would have been SO much better if Lucas had included the scenes that are in the novelization but not in the movie. I really hope he includes those in the DVD release, because I think it would improve the movie quite a bit.


Really? I didn't think the novelization scenes really added much of anything - I was rather disappointed with the novelizations "extras" that everyone was talking about - they didn't seem to add anything to it for me.

[Calhoun07]

IMO, the scenes with young Anakin on Tatooine, before we were introduced to him in the movie, in the book really made his character deeper. Maybe those scenes would have slowed the movie down, but the scene where he took care of that Sandperson was really good. They didn't add to the action of the movie, but I think the character growth was better in the book for certain key characters like Anakin because of those scenes.

[RockItShipper]

Originally posted by Clayface



Actually, the reason he didn't do it on Chewy's homeworld was budget reasons. They couldn't afford to make all those full size wookie costumes, so they went with miniature versions, and thus the Ewoks were born. The Ewoks are a big reason that ROTJ is listed as fourth in my list.


Also, maybe the poor reception to the Holiday Special- particularly the Wookie home scenes- made it seem practical to distance the production from everyone's memory? The special aired only once and all...

[Vigo Sprax]

1. ROTJ
2. TESB
3. TPM
4. ANH

1. I really enjoyed ROTJ, the Ewoks played off well against the Emperor since you have something so innocent in one scene and then something so evil in the other. You really got to see everything on a grand scale and I enjoyed that.

2. This whole movie keeps your attention throughout, except perhaps ol' Yoda and his stupid training! Seeing them lose, and leaving on a cliff hangar, was a great movie.

3. It started it all but by todays standards it doesn't stand up as well, probably because its been copied and improved on so many times. Its an excellent story, just not one I can watch OVER & OVER.

4. I could not really stand Jar Jar Binks or Anakin, they tried much too hard to appeal to kids and marketing. Anakin REALLY ruined it with his whoops and yeehaws, not to mention he just accidentally blows up the ship. All the character design and basic ideas were right but the story was really lacking.

[mxyzptlk]

hey dont forget anikan is 9 years old what did you exspect for him to scream out swear words but i feel ya on jaja binks boy he was in the meovie way to much it really anoid me

[The Dork Knight]

(1) ANH
(2) ROTJ
(3) TPM
(4) ESB

[Vigo Sprax]

Originally posted by mxyzptlk
hey dont forget anikan is 9 years old what did you exspect for him to scream out swear words but i feel ya on jaja binks boy he was in the meovie way to much it really anoid me

Yeah, I expect him to swear like a sailor and then nail Padme at the celebrationg afterwards :rolleyes:

They should have just had him be intense on the situation, concentrating, not saying anything - especially yelling out like hes play'n a stupid video game. Anakin was 9 but he was supposed to be somewhat mature, he has been a slave for the past 9 years and as calhoun point out, the tusken scene is just another example of him being a deeper more mature character.

Has anyone here viewed the Phantom Edit? I don't think its been mentioned on the boards here before. Someone, supposedly a proffesional movie maker, under an anonymous name re-edited TPM and slimmed down the stupid/silly scenes that were thrown in and other things like Anakin's annoying whoops, about 20 minutes gone. People are passing it around on VHS, it was even rumored for a while that Kevin Smith did the re-edit.

[RockItShipper]

What I'm curious about are the Bail Organa scenes shot for Episode 1. The first TPM thing I picked up (march/april '99) was a sticker book that included him in it. And it looked _nothing_ like Jimmy Smits who was cast in the role for Episode 2. Heard all the scenes with the character in TPM ended up on the cutting room floor.

[killercroc]

Originally posted by Vigo Sprax


Has anyone here viewed the Phantom Edit? I don't think its been mentioned on the boards here before. Someone, supposedly a proffesional movie maker, under an anonymous name re-edited TPM and slimmed down the stupid/silly scenes that were thrown in and other things like Anakin's annoying whoops, about 20 minutes gone. People are passing it around on VHS, it was even rumored for a while that Kevin Smith did the re-edit.

Yeah, but he has denied it. I think that there are actually 2 re-edits floating around now. Last I heard a couple film students were actually sending Lucas their edit. I think I read it at scifi.com. The story also said that Lucas wasn't going to try to suppress it or anything, unless someone tries to make money off of it.

Anyone know if it's on the net anywhere? Preferably quicktime or realplayer.

[Vigo Sprax]

Originally posted by killercroc
Anyone know if it's on the net anywhere? Preferably quicktime or realplayer.

I saw a web site devoted to it which had a message board, it seemed they were trying to get it up on an FTP but no one was willing. I'd love to get a copy, especially since I haven't bought a VHS since the SE came out.

[RockItShipper]

It sounds like something you could find at comic conventions.

[Gpoliceman]

The best Star Wars movie was Return of the Jedi.......the conclusion to an epic story is always the most exciting. The stakes are raised. you dont know who will die. You dont know who will win. etc.

Empire Stikes Back was fun.....it comes in second. Cloud City was the best city in any Star Wars movie. "Luke, I am your father" was a cool twist. I like Luke's hand getting cut off.

A New Hope was boring as hell.........Lucas attempted to set up the characters I guess but I just the movie was boring. Maybe it's because the special effects kinda look lame now and so the movie didn't blow me away. Maybe it's because the acting wasn't spectacular. Maybe it's because when Lucas developes characters he gives his actors unreadable dialogue. It wasn't until TESB and TROTJ that I liked Star Wars because in those movies the storyline actually started to pick up a bit, and the action was more intense. A New Hope was as boring as watching the period at the end of this sentence move around at a molecular rate. Third Place.

The Phantom Menace was great the first time. Then you heard all the hype, saw the movie again, and realized the story sucked. I think Phantom Menace was the worst of the Star Wars movies. And no, Jar Jar did not ruin the movie for me. I thought the young Anakin had laughable dialogue. I wanted him to get blasted into the next nuebula. Only a hand full of good scenes. The only thing Phantom Menace was good at was Jedi lightsaber fights. They had the best ones in any Star Wars movie. But that hurt the Star Wars story IN ALL because now the final battle between Luke and Vadar looks slow as hell.

I have a feeling episode 2 will be a lot better, and episode 3 will rock and roll. That will balance things out completely. The last episodes of the first and second trilogies were the best. The second episodes of both trilogies were second best. And the first episodes of both trilogies sucked. So I guess I just don't like how Lucas begins a story. He gets better as he goes along.

1. ROTJ
2. TESP
3. ANH
4. TPM

Gpoliceman

[DR. BELCH]

Has anyone heard the Star Wars radio show? They broadcast it over KASU during the fall of 1997. I don't recall if the original actors were used from the screen version or not, but it was running at ten-thirty at night on Tuesdays and became part of my weekly routine (my girlfriend once get p***ed at me because I would take my phone off the hook during the show for a whole half-hour!). I don't know if any other stations broadcast it or if KASU will rerun it...if they do I'll let you know, or you'll let me know, or...some such thing.

[Vigo Sprax]

You can purchase the Star Wars Radio show on tape and CD, the only actor I know who came back for the radio special was Lando.

[mxyzptlk]

a new hope boring... how can u say that if u did not like the special effects pick up the digitally remastered version i mean that was the best one this upsets me

[RockItShipper]

Originally posted by Vigo Sprax
You can purchase the Star Wars Radio show on tape and CD, the only actor I know who came back for the radio special was Lando.

I think Mark Hamill did at least one of them.

[Calhoun07]

Originally posted by DR. BELCH
Has anyone heard the Star Wars radio show? They broadcast it over KASU during the fall of 1997. I don't recall if the original actors were used from the screen version or not, but it was running at ten-thirty at night on Tuesdays and became part of my weekly routine (my girlfriend once get p***ed at me because I would take my phone off the hook during the show for a whole half-hour!). I don't know if any other stations broadcast it or if KASU will rerun it...if they do I'll let you know, or you'll let me know, or...some such thing.

I remember listening to it every Thursday night on the radio. I just love the story of Star Wars, and especially then, I could never get enough of it.

I have seen the CDs available, but they are rather pricey for radio CDs. I know it's Star Wars, but still. I can't remember the exact price, but out of my league.

[James]

Has anyone heard the Star Wars radio show?

I remember having to go back to primary school after lunch from the flat that I lived in Leytonstone, London. Star Wars: ANH was on the radio at 1pm everyday. I taped it on a radio recorder that wasn't so far from a comparison to a wall. I was 5 the year was probably 1980.
As a kid I found the extensive Tatooine segments really boring, and the Antillies/Organa sequences confusing.
Oh if only I could be arsed to buy them now and re-live those days........
Hmm, living in a tiny flat in Leytonstone with my mum and no money? I wouldn't re-live those just for a crummy radio series. Keep it! I don't care.....!

Anyway, in answer to the intial question:

1. ESB - Has to be man! Yoda aside, this is the most intelligent and diverse of the lot!
2. SW: ANH - Enjoyable fairytale. And the first. Must take credit for starting the whole thing.
3: ROTJ: A bit crap. It's Joker namesake being far better. Ford intentionally bumbles through the film and then there are the Ewoks.... always the Ewoks..... Still, the cast was better than..
4: TPM: I enjoyed it. Binks was a bad move from every direction, and managed to dilute any scene he was in. Everyone else was pretty wooden. Was visually enjoyable though. Anakin was irritating.
5: The Holiday Special: It's canon innit? Crap. Makes the Phantom Menace look philosphically profound... and then there's that song(s).... ugh.....

[joker]

empire
jedi
new hope
episode 1


a new hope was a little slow but still a great movie, episode one was a great idea but....like other people said on this thread, the wahoos and the wooptidoos. also the orange goooo line really got on my nerves. i havnt read the novelization, but if it would have made anikan a better chacecter, throw it in there!

[Nightwing]

First please forgive me for mistaking Return Of The Jedi's abreviation for Return Of The Joker. It's just my flow of personality I guess. :rolleyes:

I'm sensing some sort of prequal and sequal curse. Whatever movie(s) comes out after a breathtaking original just isn't good enough for the original's fans. My excessive fandom with deep characters/heros participating in the battle between good and evil is what makes me a Star Wars fan. So I'm not that deep a fanatic. And I'm guessing it's for that reason that I don't see much difference between the original trilogy and Episode 1. I liked them all equally for the most part.

But Episode 4 is my favorite along side 6. I liked Luke as a trainee and as a jedi, so I enjoyed both movies very much. And I also liked the "double hero" as I call it, where you have the spiritual hero type, Luke, along side the more concrete hero of those wars and explorations and such, Han.

[Scythemantis]

The entire jabba`s palace sequence makes ROTJ my favorite one :P
the rest are all kind of tied for second...

[mxyzptlk]

they should have made qui gon giinn a abusive jedi trainer that would have shut aniken up i did not really care that much about anikan saying the orange goo line it was just that the super gangster guy (sabulba) used the same cut downs and threats as a 9 year old.

[Calhoun07]

No, this isn't canon. As far as I know, it was made without Lucas's blessings. How else could you explain Bea Arthur singing with the catina band?

[RockItShipper]

Originally posted by calhoun07
No, this isn't canon. As far as I know, it was made without Lucas' blessings. How else could you explain Bea Arthur singing with the cantina band?

More like his attention was elsewhere, on making ESB. That's what I heard, anyway. Generally speaking, I consider it about as much canon as the novels and comics.

[Calhoun07]

Don't the novels and comics have to be approved by Lucasfilm anyway? They are more canon than the Star Trek books and novels are canon. And Lucasfilm has made references to Dash Dendar in the Special Edition of A New Hope (his star ship is seen in one scene) and they have put out toys of the "expanded universe" and seem to embrace the books and comics as a whole. Additionally, I had heard that the reason Lucas has declined to make episodes 7 thru 9 is that he decided to let the saga continue on in the books and comics.

The Holiday Special is just a red headed step child in the Star Wars mythos. I do have hope that Lucas will do something with it tho (I hope they do! I remember watching it on TV as a kid and would LOVE to see it again!) as they have been paying indy film makers decent money to use their home made Star Wars movies on some web site. (darned if I remember, I would have to find the story again. I think it was in a recent issue of Entertainment Weekly, not the current issue but last weeks). So if Lucas is showing support of these home made Star Wars movies, who knows? Maybe he will show support to the Holiday Special some day?

[Clayface]

Ahhh. The Star Wars canon issue. Highly debated. According to Lucas himself, only the movies are canon, though he has said once or twice that the TV special is indeed canon also. Everything outside of the movies is considered valid, unless is directly contradicts what's in the movies. Just as the Batman Animated universe isn't necessarily canon for the mainstream comic universe, the non-movie Star Wars merchandise and stories are not necessarily canon.

[James]

originally posted by Clayface
Ahhh. The Star Wars canon issue. Highly debated. According to Lucas himself, only the movies are canon, though he has said once or twice that the TV special is indeed canon also. Everything outside of the movies is considered valid, unless is directly contradicts what's in the movies. Just as the Batman Animated universe isn't necessarily canon for the mainstream comic universe, the non-movie Star Wars merchandise and stories are not necessarily canon.

Ha ha - The Holiday Special MUST be canon. It explains all the antics the SW team get up to between crisis and shows us how inane the population of the Galaxy really are!! Would you as a Rebel want risk your life everyday to save an irritating multiple armed cook, a hammed smuggler, a dancing act and a very bad pop act? I thought not.

It is truely the most soul crushing 90 minutes you'll ever recall. The cartoon isn't bad I suppose but it don't save it!

It must be canon - just because Lucas despises it so. Well those who go out to make a quick buck must pay the piper!

[James]

Originally posted by calhoun07
The Holiday Special is just a red headed step child in the Star Wars mythos. I do have hope that Lucas will do something with it tho (I hope they do! I remember watching it on TV as a kid and would LOVE to see it again!)

I know I shouldn't really take up two posts with this but I thought people might miss after my previous diatribe....

You want to the Holiday Special? Fat chance of Lucas releasing it since has tried to take out every internet copy he can find...

Bar one......

RealPlayer version of the ENTIRE holiday special! (approx 20 mb I think!) (http://www.blueharvest.net/video/original.shtml)

Enjoy/despise

[RockItShipper]

Originally posted by Clayface
Ahhh. The Star Wars canon issue. Highly debated. According to Lucas himself, only the movies are canon, though he has said once or twice that the TV special is indeed canon also. Everything outside of the movies is considered valid, unless is directly contradicts what's in the movies. Just as the Batman Animated universe isn't necessarily canon for the mainstream comic universe, the non-movie Star Wars merchandise and stories are not necessarily canon.

BTAS/TNBA is just another part of DC's hypertime. Yes, it happened but in a timeline separate from that of the monthly comics.

Obviously Shadows of the Empire with comics, a soundtrack, action figures and a reference in ANH:SE is a bit different from the other novels and comics. Basically, the bulk of tie-ins aren't authorized by Lucas himself but the whole "don't contradict the movies" bit doesn't stop writers from contradicting other tie-ins. Reading one of 'em shouldn't be a problem, but more than that and you might run into contradictions. I sure did.

[Firefly]

My favriote Star Wars movie would have to be ROTJ because that movie combined things from the first two movies into one ultimate movie with the 2nd death star and Luke trying to turn his father to the light side of the force. A close 2nd would be TESB the battle of Hoth was pretty cool. TPM the only part I really liked in this movie was the ending light saber battle with Qui-gon, Obi-wan, and Darth Maul it was so fast pasted. I sorta liked ANH Obi-Wan Lightsaber was weak but the Death Star trench run was pretty cool.

[Salvor]

Originally posted by SJJ

RealPlayer version of the ENTIRE holiday special! (approx 20 mb I think!) (http://www.blueharvest.net/video/original.shtml)

Enjoy/despise
Great page! I had already seen the Holiday Special and I find it pretty hilarious. Word has it they all got drunk before shooting :)

My favorite SW movie would be Empire because it's enthralling, intense, imaginative... and the final showdown is OH SO good.

[joker]

Originally posted by calhoun07
Don't the novels and comics have to be approved by Lucasfilm anyway? They are more canon than the Star Trek books and novels are canon. And Lucasfilm has made references to Dash Dendar in the Special Edition of A New Hope (his star ship is seen in one scene) and they have put out toys of the "expanded universe" and seem to embrace the books and comics as a whole. Additionally, I had heard that the reason Lucas has declined to make episodes 7 thru 9 is that he decided to let the saga continue on in the books and comics.

The Holiday Special is just a red headed step child in the Star Wars mythos. I do have hope that Lucas will do something with it tho (I hope they do! I remember watching it on TV as a kid and would LOVE to see it again!) as they have been paying indy film makers decent money to use their home made Star Wars movies on some web site. (darned if I remember, I would have to find the story again. I think it was in a recent issue of Entertainment Weekly, not the current issue but last weeks). So if Lucas is showing support of these home made Star Wars movies, who knows? Maybe he will show support to the Holiday Special some day?


which scene? dash rendar is my favorite star wars charecter of all time. please tellst me!

[mxyzptlk]

man i only have the old school star wars movies waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[Calhoun07]

Originally posted by joker



which scene? dash rendar is my favorite star wars charecter of all time. please tellst me!

When Luke and Ben are going into the city to meet Han and Chewie, in that into shot of the city and all the going ons, you can see Dash's ship take off. It's harder to see on the TV screen, but easier to see in the theater. I can't tell you the exact frame it's in, and it's not a big scene, but the nod to Shadows of the Empire is appreciated!