Toon Heads (12/23/01)

[Pietro]

BEAKY BUZZARD:
"Bugs Bunny Gets the Boid" (dubbed)
"The Bashful Buzzard" (dubbed)
"Strife with Father"

BABY BOOM TOONS:
"The Stork's Holiday" (MGM)
"Baby Bottleneck" (edited/dubbed?)
"Stork Naked"

-Pietro:D

[Thad Komorowski]

Yes "Baby Bottleneck" was dubbed. CN actually cut off the last 30/50 seconds of this cartoons to save time, probably because of "The Stork's Holiday"'s length. :rolleyes:


-Thad

[Tintin]

Originally posted by Pietro Shakarian
BABY BOOM TOONS:
"The Stork's Holiday" (MGM)
"Baby Bottleneck" (edited/dubbed?)
"Stork Naked"

-Pietro:D

Hey! It supposed air the episode Cartoons News Reels on CN schedule! :o

[Pietro]

Well, I knew that nothing really special would air on the Beaky Buzzard episode, but the "Baby Boom Toons" could have been better. They should've shown an uncut print of "Baby Bottleneck." Infact the entire ending (including the ending title) was omitted!:eek:
I wasn't really sure if it was dubbed or not so I put a question mark next to the word dubbed. And Martin's right I think "Cartoon Newsreels" was supposed to air this weekend.:mad:

-Pietro:D

[Thad Komorowski]

You can tell it's a dubbed version because of the (even more) abrupt cut to the next scene when Mrs. Pig gets a baby alligator. CARTOON NEWSREELS looks interesting...



-Thad

[PorkyandDaffy]

CN actually cut off the last 30/50 seconds of this cartoons to save time, probably because of "The Stork's Holiday"'s length.

I noticed the same thing, too. That was stupid of them. :mad:

[Thad Komorowski]

Yeah, I noticed that TOONHEADS was running a little overtime, because by the time "The Stork's Holiday" was over, my VCR clock said the time was 9:40PM. I thought to myself "Gee, I wonder if CN would edit a cartoon to save time? Nah, CN isn't like that"

But I was wrong.......


very wrong......



-Thad

[Tintin]

Originally posted by Thad Komorowski
Yeah, I noticed that TOONHEADS was running a little overtime, because by the time "The Stork's Holiday" was over, my VCR clock said the time was 9:40PM. I thought to myself "Gee, I wonder if CN would edit a cartoon to save time? Nah, CN isn't like that"

But I was wrong.......


very wrong......



-Thad

Speaking of VCR, i rated today Quoi de neuf, Bugs! I previous where recorded but no! Or the cassette where not on Video where i watch the episode or where make at 6:30pm which 6:30am!

[Crazy Tom]

Originally posted by Thad Komorowski
Yes "Baby Bottleneck" was dubbed. CN actually cut off the last 30/50 seconds of this cartoons to save time, probably because of "The Stork's Holiday"'s length.

That's not the way to save time. If CN knew that cartoon was long, then they should have done a better job planning their commercial slots around the cartoons. Saving time is a joke of an excuse. The commercial log should surround the meat of the program, and a commercial being more important than the actual program is nothing more than saying "the heck with the viewers! This is television...we're here to sell!"

You are mean ones, "Mr. and Mrs. Grinches" of CN!!

[Matthew Hunter]

wOW.....I have NEVER seen anyone actually do that. What are they thinking, they didn't have to show the cartoon at all. What they SHOULD have done was omitted the cartoon entirely, and do the middle of the program documentary-style...there were so many different stork cartoons made by Warner Bros. alone, particularly by Friz Freleng. They could've done a run-through of those chronologically, discussing them with clips. THEN they could get the timing right, and they could show "Stork Naked" complete.
-Matthew

[Thad Komorowski]

Originally posted by Matthew Hunter
wOW.....I have NEVER seen anyone actually do that. What are they thinking, they didn't have to show the cartoon at all. What they SHOULD have done was omitted the cartoon entirely, and do the middle of the program documentary-style...there were so many different stork cartoons made by Warner Bros. alone, particularly by Friz Freleng. They could've done a run-through of those chronologically, discussing them with clips. THEN they could get the timing right, and they could show "Stork Naked" complete.
-Matthew


Actually, the title that got its ending omitted was "Baby Bottleneck". Did they cut out the ending of "Stork Naked" too? I only tape the bumpers of the shows, so I went down to the computer when "Stork Naked" came on.



-Thad

[Nelson]

So in other words fellas, I really didn't miss anything with last night's episodes :confused: :confused: :confused:

[chuckamuck43]

Does any of this surprise you?

It's been said before, by folks on this board with better credentials than I - CN
cares ONLY for $$$!

Face it, gang. All commercial stations exist to SELL ADVERTISING TIME. Product must be relatively cheap, plentiful, inoffensive and offer the network the maximum merchandising revenue. We all know their cash cows are the CARTOON CARTOONS.

As far as Toonheads is concerned, CN has shown us that they see it as just any other non-Cartoon Cartoon programming. Its only there because it meets the requirements I laid out in the previous paragraph.

I'm really tired of it guys...they are not only consistantly disrespecting the toons,
but we viewers as well. And there isn't a damned thing we can do about it except to stop watching - which would'nt make any difference to CN.

We're not their target demographic!:(:)

[Nelson]

What I would like to know is this...What happend to all of our excellent ideas we gave GAK?Do they plan on using any of our suggestions :confused: :confused: :confused:

[Joe Tully]

I think that GAK was talking about possibly using our suggestions for the next season, meaning the one after this one.

[Jack]

Originally posted by Nelson
What I would like to know is this...What happend to all of our excellent ideas we gave GAK?Do they plan on using any of our suggestions :confused: :confused: :confused:
All of these new episodes were into production already when we gave him our ideas, so like Joe Tully said, he plans on using some of them next season.


Jack :D

[Crazy Tom]

Originally posted by chuckamuck43
...CN cares ONLY for $$$!...All commercial stations exist to SELL ADVERTISING TIME. Product must be relatively cheap, plentiful, inoffensive and offer the network the maximum merchandising revenue...CN has shown us that they see it as just any other non-Cartoon Cartoon programming...they are not only consistantly disrespecting the toons, but we viewers as well. And there isn't a damned thing we can do about it except to stop watching - which would'nt make any difference to CN.

With me having some radio background, you're absolutely right. Not to get off the cartoon subject, but radio is the same way, with the stations being paid via 100% advertising (except for public radio stations), and most of it goes to the program directors, general managers, and salespeople, leaving just a crumb for the board operators, promotors, and on-air talent. They get paid less than teachers do, except for a prime few!

How do you think when in football a team calls a 30-second timeout at the end of the half, a commercial suddenly appears? It's all about TV, nothing else! As I stated in a prior message on this slot, CN did a horrible job with their commercial log surrounding the Baby Bottleneck cartoon, and should have informed the advertisers regarding the time of the program and what commercials could be squeezed in. If CN were able to find other Baby-Boomer cartoons (try A Mouse Divided from 1951 and Baby Puss from 1943 from Tom & Jerry), then it easily could have been an hour-long program. Although Stork Naked was NOT cut (as someone thought on a prior post), there was no excuse for the last minute of Baby Bottleneck to be cut.

Those commercials could have been saved for another program, but companies buy those group time slots during the week at some cost, although they are normally discounted if they are a constant advertiser to the station. Thus, they expect their product to be aired, and therefore, the cartoon viewer is left to the side to freeze.

Sadly, that's how the media works these days. It's money, not content. And believe me, the advertisers gleam when an extra commercial spot opens up when part of a cartoon is edited for so-called content, not time-compression.

Which means we have to SPEAK UP and let them know that the FCC should be looking at these guys...the public interest is NOT being served!! That's the #1 rule in media these days, but sadly, nobody follows it, and nobody wants to bother.