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Andy Mancini
10-12-2005, 02:49 PM
From MMA Weekly (http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/templates/dailynews.asp?articleid=852&zoneid=4):


WWE'S DOUBLE CROSS ON UFC
Wednesday, October 12, 2005 - by Ivan Trembow

You've more than likely heard the story by now. Vince McMahon offered a huge announcing contract to Mike Goldberg, who has been the UFC's play-by-play man for many years. The multi-year WWE contract that was offered to Goldberg had a total value of more than $1 million over the life of the contract, and it was offered to Goldberg partially as an attempt by WWE to hurt the UFC, and partially because WWE already planned to fire its own long-time play-by-play man, Jim Ross, due to the fact that Ross has Bell's Palsy and is not as physically "attractive" as WWE would like. Goldberg seriously considered WWE's offer, before ultimately re-signing with the UFC.

However, there is more to the story, and these additional details shine a bright light on just how dirty Vince McMahon's business tactics can be when he thinks of himself as being "at war" with another organization. Vince McMahon's original plan was to secretly sign Mike Goldberg before the WWE vs. UFC showdown on October 3rd, and then have Mike Goldberg no-show the UFC event without notice, according to a report by the Wrestling Observer.

If McMahon's plan had gone as he hoped, the UFC would not have heard from Mike Goldberg at all on October 3rd, and would not even have known where he was. Goldberg would have no-showed the UFC event, and Zuffa would have found out that Goldberg had signed with WWE by seeing him appear on live television as the lead announcer of WWE Raw on USA Network that same night.

By doing this, Vince McMahon would have not only signed Mike Goldberg away from the UFC, but he would have left the UFC with literally zero notice to find someone to do play-by-play on the UFC's live broadcast on Spike TV. And while this detail wasn't part of the Observer's report, sources tell MMAWeekly that WWE was ready and willing to pay Mike Goldberg a one-time bonus in the high five-figures (possibly even as much as $100,000) simply for the act of no-showing the UFC event without notice in order to sign with WWE.

So, why didn't the double-cross take place as Vince McMahon wanted it to? Quite simply, because not everyone thinks like Vince McMahon does, and Mike Goldberg is a decent human being who wouldn't do something like that. As the Observer reported, "The only reason it didn't go down as planned by McMahon is because Goldberg was professional enough to refuse to no-show the UFC event."

Not only did Goldberg refuse to double-cross the UFC by no-showing the October 3rd event without notice, but when he arrived in Las Vegas for the UFC event on October 3rd, he told Zuffa about the double-cross offer that had been made by WWE.

At that point, with Goldberg fulfilling his play-by-play duties on the UFC's October 3rd Spike TV show, while also missing the October 7th UFC pay-per-view because of a previous committment, Goldberg would spend much of the next week trying to decide whether he was going to sign with WWE or re-sign with the UFC, and he eventually decided to re-sign with the UFC.

Promotional tactics like this are nothing new from Vince McMahon, as numerous pro wrestling promoters from the 1980's and 1990's could tell you. When McMahon views himself as being in competition with an organization, he will do anything to hurt that organization. The Observer report on McMahon's offer to Mike Goldberg stated that WWE deemed it to be extremely important to "send a message to its competitors and get the paranoid mind games advantage."

The Observer also reported that despite Vince McMahon's long history of doing these kinds of things, Zuffa was completely naive about it and didn't think such a thing could happen to them. The Observer reports that the whole experience with the Goldberg double-cross offer from WWE was "a major eye-opening for the UFC, as those in the company had largely believed it was bullet-proof from McMahon's direct business attacks because of the difference in the product."

In reality, if Vince McMahon thinks he's at war with you, then he's at war with you, regardless of whether you're running a pro wrestling company or an MMA company. Further evidence of WWE aggressively going after the UFC was the fact that the "WWE Homecoming" special re-aired on USA Network last Friday night at 10:00 PM, not-so-coincidentally head-to-head with the UFC's pay-per-view.

In the process of finding someone to do play-by-play for the October 7th UFC show, Zuffa kept Craig Hummer's name very quiet because it was widely believed in both the pro wrestling and MMA industries that WWE would have offered Hummer a very large amount of money (likely well into five-figures) not even to work for WWE, but simply to no-show the UFC's pay-per-view without notice. Hummer did the UFC pay-per-view as scheduled on Friday night, so either WWE couldn't get in touch with him on Friday, or they did get in touch with him but he turned down their offer.
What the hell is this? Sorry to say, but I honestly think that Vincent Kennedy McMahon has completely lost his mind.

Tay the Cat
10-12-2005, 02:59 PM
From MMA Weekly (http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/templates/dailynews.asp?articleid=852&zoneid=4):


What the hell is this? Sorry to say, but I honestly think that Vincent Kennedy McMahon has completely lost his mind.


You mean that he lost his mind years ago.

Djm912
10-12-2005, 03:46 PM
There is more to the "Mr. McMahon" character on TV than people realize.

I almost get a satisfaction out of the fact that the plan didn't work out for Vince, and he's left without a lead play-by-play man.

Jude Santos
10-12-2005, 03:53 PM
Here's the thing, I personally don't believe all the rumors or stories that come out and honestly, I only half-believe this story. Remember guys, there's always two sides to every story.

Then again, it looks like his "help yourself, not hurt the competition" mentality has been gone since there literally has been no competition for the past 4 years, and it looks like its going to stay that way for the next couple of years.


I almost get a satisfaction out of the fact that the plan didn't work out for Vince, and he's left without a lead play-by-play man. Yes, Vince went on with the plan on firing Ross so they wouldnt have a lead play by play:shrug:

VCXZX
10-12-2005, 04:17 PM
Jude: Dave Meltzer is usually never wrong with his news reports.

If you think that's a bad Vince move, read "Sex, Lies and Headlocks."

Tons of bad moves by Vince.

Djm912
10-12-2005, 04:27 PM
I didn't say they did it so they wouldn't have a play-by-play announcer. I'm saying that they shouldn't have gone through with the plan on firing Ross until someone had signed the paper.

Dave Meltzer is about as reliable of a source on the internet as you can ask for. He knows stuff probably before most of the wrestlers do.:sweat:

The only question is, does WWE really trust Jonathan Coachman to carry a full 2-hour broadcast? Or will they find someone to lead Coach and King?

Zero Signal
10-12-2005, 04:56 PM
That's pretty scummy of Vince to try that stuff. He's done that kind of thing in the past, though, so it's not all that surprising. I don't exactly see how McMahon thinks UFC is direct competition to WWE, but whatever.

As to who should announce on Raw: Paul Heyman. I don't know how King would play as a face, but Heyman is solid gold on the mic as a heel. Some of the best announcing the company has done was back when King quit and Heyman took his spot in the booth. I'd kill to hear that again.

If they want soembody "younger and more appealing", how about Josh Matthews? The kid was/is great on Velocity. You can tell he knows all about the business, knows tons of info about the wrestler's past work and storyline histories, and just brings in a general enthusiasm. I don't know if he could carry a big-time gig on Raw, but I'd like to hear it.

Sigma
10-12-2005, 05:50 PM
That's pretty scummy of Vince to try that stuff. He's done that kind of thing in the past, though, so it's not all that surprising. I don't exactly see how McMahon thinks UFC is direct competition to WWE, but whatever.

As to who should announce on Raw: Paul Heyman. I don't know how King would play as a face, but Heyman is solid gold on the mic as a heel. Some of the best announcing the company has done was back when King quit and Heyman took his spot in the booth. I'd kill to hear that again.

If they want soembody "younger and more appealing", how about Josh Matthews? The kid was/is great on Velocity. You can tell he knows all about the business, knows tons of info about the wrestler's past work and storyline histories, and just brings in a general enthusiasm. I don't know if he could carry a big-time gig on Raw, but I'd like to hear it. I agree with you and I think most of the wrestling fans on this message board agree with you, but we all know that neither will happen because McMahon and Co. aren't known for smart business decisions when it comes to simple things.

Vince McMahon is such a scum bag, trying to get UFC's lead play by play man to no show a big event for the company has been loyal too for years is just wrong, I just love how Vince learned that money won't buy off everyone like he thinks it will.

McMahon should be more worried about TNA than the UFC as far as competition goes anyway because UFC will never directly compete with the WWE.

Andy Mancini
10-12-2005, 07:02 PM
As I suggested on another board, I think Vince should temporarily fill the void with CM Punk. Yes, I know that he's a color guy, but follow me here. He's great on the mic, he can be hip when he wants to, and already has the IWC completely behind him. It would also be a great way for people who don't watch ROH to "get to know his style" before he actually premieres. Of course, Punker would only a temorary solution, but still.

Sigma
10-12-2005, 09:45 PM
As I suggested on another board, I think Vince should temporarily fill the void with CM Punk. Yes, I know that he's a color guy, but follow me here. He's great on the mic, he can be hip when he wants to, and already has the IWC completely behind him. It would also be a great way for people who don't watch ROH to "get to know his style" before he actually premieres. Of course, Punker would only a temorary solution, but still. That would be great, but like I said WWE doesn't like to do things that make sense. Im doubting we will ever see Punk make a televised debut for the WWE. :(

Jude Santos
10-12-2005, 11:05 PM
Jude: Dave Meltzer is usually never wrong with his news reports.
Key word there is usually (opposed to saying "..always never wrong"). There is one instance where Meltzer (at least as I can remember, it could be someone else, but I'm pretty sure it Meltzer) got Tracy Smothers' background completely wrong, and from what Smothers said, a lot of pro wrestlers are completly ******** on Meltzer becuase they claim that Meltzer doesn't seem to understand the business as he claims he does. And like I said, there is always two sides to every story. Who knows, the UFC (or even Spike TV) could have done something.


If you think that's a bad Vince move, read "Sex, Lies and Headlocks."

Tons of bad moves by Vince. I've read the book and that book has a so much inaccurate information on it that it should be moved to the fiction section.

Beat
10-12-2005, 11:16 PM
Mixed Martial Arts =! Pro Wrestling.

Sigma's right, TNA is a much bigger threat than UFC is. If UFC should be worried about any organization, it's PRIDE.

The Penguin
10-13-2005, 12:17 AM
Wow, I really don't understand this. I don't see the UFC as being any sort of a threat to the WWE's business. RAW was the highest-rated it has been in years at Homecoming against the UFC on Spike.

If I were Mike Goldberg and I didn't have a bad relationship with the UFC I think I would have stayed with them too unless the money was just too much for me to pass up as a means of supporting my family.

I think it would defeat the point of firing JR to just move him over, but I have no concerns about Coach being the play-by-play man on RAW. He's covered for Ross every now and again when he was "injured" by some angle and has even called some pay-per-views. He has had a lot more confidence since becoming more of a character and that has shown in his announcing.

I could see Paul Heyman being put on the team if Coach slides over to the middle chair, but Paul E. is not a play-by-play man. I bet he could do it, but it just wouldn't feel right.


If they want soembody "younger and more appealing", how about Josh Matthews? The kid was/is great on Velocity. You can tell he knows all about the business, knows tons of info about the wrestler's past work and storyline histories, and just brings in a general enthusiasm. I don't know if he could carry a big-time gig on Raw, but I'd like to hear it.I couldn't agree more. I said the same thing in my RAW comments (http://forums.toonzone.net/showthread.php?p=1930627#post1930627) this week (final paragraph before the quote/response). While I don't agree with getting rid of JR, Josh fills everything WWE apparently wants in their middle chair—he's younger, better-looking and doesn't have an accent.