The Batman "A Dark Knight To Remember" Talkback (Spoilers)

[The Penguin]

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The Batman #30 - A Dark Knight To Remember
Original Airdate - October 1st, 2005

After an encounter with The Penguin at Gotham Harbor, Bruce awakens with no memory of being The Batman. As Penguin reeks havoc on the city, it's up to Alfred to help Master Bruce bring on The Batman.

Comments?

[Hades]

Am I the only one sick of seeing both Joker and Penguin?! Those two are the most overused characters in this show. Not to mention Penguin just appeared 3 episodes ago. Why do they need to bring him back so quickly? Let someone else be the star for the first half of the season. Like maybe Clayface's return, Catwoman (she hasn't been seen since episode 4 right?), bring in Two-Face, Scarecrow, etc. Oh, AND GET RID OF THAT ADAM WEST WANNABE THEME SONG!!!

[Nobody You Know]

And now, a short, gentle reminder to the writers of The Batman:

STOP USING THE PENGUIN AND THE JOKER. THEY HAVE APPEARED IN TOO MANY EPISODES ALREADY. YOU HAVE OTHER VILLAINS YOU CAN USE. PLEASE DO SO. THANK YOU.

Zero stars.

[The Penguin]

Settle down now. Both of you.

This series using Batman's most popular villains more often because they are the most popular villains. The tone of this show does not fit with the gangster and criminal stories that occupied some of B:TAS run and thusly you see Joker and Penguin more. (Do you want more Cluemaster? *shivers*)

This is a new season and three episodes in we've seen Penguin once. You aren't giving the series a chance to change here, let's get into the new season first and then see if the complaints are still valid. It's not like Penguin wouldn't be used this season at all. Typing in huge text or caps or giving it a zero before it ends isn't going to remove Penguin from this episode or change the theme. They aren't going anywhere.

[JTolliver]

Not another penguin episode, I want more Catwoman damnit! and Selina, SELINA!...................damnit,

I hear next week's episode is called "A fistful of felt" GEE I WONDER WHICH VILLAIN WE'LL BE SEEING IN THAT EPSIODE,

NOT!!!!!

[The Penguin]

Not another ******* penguin episode, I want more Catwoman damnit! and Selina, SELINA!...................damnit,

I hear next week's episode is called "A fistful of felt" GEE I WONDER WHICH VILLAIN WE'LL BE SEEING IN THAT EPSIODE,

NOT!!!!!You need to settle down too. You didn't even see the episode.

Did anyone actually watch the episode or did you all just sit there and :ack: and moan about The Penguin being the villain?

[sdp]

I am a HUGE The Batman fan, but i have to agree they overuse penguin and joker and it is starting to get annying.

Anyways, the timeslot were The Batman is right now really sucks, for the third time i miss The Batman becasue i wake up 7.45 missing half the episode :(

I even went to bed relatively early on friday...

again not to spoil myself too much i ended up catching the ending of mew mew power....

[Mad Mod 49]

I hear next week's episode is called "A fistful of felt" GEE I WONDER WHICH VILLAIN WE'LL BE SEEING IN THAT EPSIODE,

NOT!!!!!
So you know it's gonna be Scarface by the title? (and yes, it's Scarface, go to Kids WB!.com and see "The Batman" section for proof.)

[Nobody You Know]

I realize that Penguin and Joker won't be going anywhere. I don't have to like it. If they made a show that can't feature the more subtle, gangster stories that helped make B:TAS so fresh and so great, that is their problem. One they can remedy by either not making so many damn epsidoes with the same two villains (or two villains within, while I'm at it), or by using them in some interesting, creative fasion.

I haven't really watched the second season, they moved it to a time when I am normally still sleeping. I may have missed some good episodes, but most of the ones I saw were villain team-ups, or Penguin episodes. Which I got righteously tired of before, and therefore, didn't really bother to watch.

Have they done some interesting things? Yes, for the way they've run things, they have had some really nice episodes.

But mostly, I just get reminded of the sheer disgust I felt for the writers when I saw such nonsense as the Bat-Bot.

I also realize that what I say may not be appreciated. In which case, you can sleep easy knowing that I'm normally not up before 9AM on Saturdays anyway, because I generally don't have to be.

There. Got it out of my system. No, typing in large text and giving it a zero upon first sight of The Penguin won't change anything.

But it does make me feel better.

[jv2k]

First off to you people complaining about Penguin and the theme song, just shut up already. They used him, big deal do you think some random idiots going "OMG PENGUIN I GIVE IT ZERO STARS!!!" or "THE NEW THEME SONG SUCKS ZERO!!!" is gunna make them even consider changing there ways, your fools. They ignored most of the complaining the first 2 seasons, I doubt they care now.
Anyway, when I first saw batman drowning in the begining, I groaned and though, "not a batgirl saves batman from peril episode" thankfully it wasn't. I kinda liked the idea of Batman losing his memory and becoming only the cowardly Bruce Wayne. The only things that bugged me about the episode where the fact that they did not even hint at the deaths of Bruce's parents(although it seemed to explore a polar opposite of what could happen after he saw his parents gunned down, instead of wanting to help people, he was affraid of sharing his parents fate). The other was the sky... I miss the red, purple, even the green skys!
Oh and I also liked the fight scene at the begining and the end, he pretty much has fighting penguin down to a science, and when he loses his memory he has trouble fighting the two twins.
edit: oh and I think this episode really showed how much of a disguise Bruce Wayne is, he was so different from his normal self.

[Binker]

Can we talk about the episode than the Penguin? PLEASE!!!!

STORY:

While the Kubuki Twins take a stoeln Penguin statue to his boat, the Penguin argues on Batman's signal always shining on the sky. Batman then shows up, as well as Batgirl. "Icing" the twins, Batgirl is told to watch them while Batman chases Penguin via Bat Boat. A small fight leads to the Penguin's boat blowing up and Batman sinking in the depths.

The signal from his belt calls the Bat Boat to rescue Batman, while the twins are gone. Back in the batcave, Alfred gets Batman out. The next morning, Bruce appears to fine. Except that he's not the Batman. At the music awards, Barbara sees Bruce Wayne with her father, it is there where she sees that Bruce Wayne has to be Batman. Its only when Penguin shows up and kidnaps him that she starts to say he probably ain't.

Barbara says she's go home, but that's a lie where figures out Penguin's trail. Batgirl finds Penguin and rescues Bruce. But is captured by Penguin. Alfred realizes that Bruce has memory loss so he takes him to the cave. He still doesn't buy that he can be Batman. At the same time, Penguin broadcasts sayign that Batgirl will face her end at midnight.

Alfred "forces" Bruce to channel his "inner-Bat". This leads to small and quick training. There Batman comes back.....well can't tell you everything.

REVIEW:
Memory loss, this reminds me of the UNCUT version of Batman Forever. From what I remembered, this episode was almost close to that movie's pre-reedit version. I'm glad Batgirl appears in ever episode (probably, but mostly) because she proves useful, despite fans saying that her in every episode might lead to somethign bad.

The Penguin's "new look" wasn't anything special. I'll agree that he might look a little more sinister in the epsiode than before, but that's it. Welcome change, just was expecting more. Bruce's small trainign does show, very little though, but what Bruce used to train with the batarang. Animation-wise, this looked darker than any episode before it for some reason. That was cooler.

For this type of story, I was expecting Bruce's parents dying to be shown, with new animation. But maybe that being shown probably wasn't needed. Barbara was close to say Bruce was Batman, but his actions here disapprived her theory...for now.....I hope.

Overall, nice. All I have to say.

REVIEW: 8.5/10

BTW, the BatBoat's location in the cave was revealed. Now we know, or already knew from TBvD's screens, that the cave has a river. And we saw more of it anyway.

[JTolliver]

So you know it's gonna be Scarface by the title? (and yes, it's Scarface, go to Kids WB!.com and see "The Batman" section for proof.) Scarface?:eek:................really?:eek:...................I thought it was going to be Joker, that's why I flipped out:ack:...............well..............this is pretty embarrassing:sweat:

[Mad Mod 49]

Scarface?:eek:................really?:eek:........ ...........I thought it was going to be Joker, that's why I flipped out:ack:...............well..............this is pretty embarrassing:sweat:
Here's the link for it if you want:

http://kidswb.warnerbros.com/web/stuff/stuff_display.jsp?id=BTM

[creativerealms]

Ok I am glad they did not go with true Memory loss episode in where the character losses all of their memories. That while an over used cartoon Cliche is not very believable. The partial memery loss is more believable. When people suffer the kind of inury that Batman got today it is more likely that only part of their memory would be damaged and not the entire memory. That is what happened here and I liked it.

I was expecting some sort of flashback to his parent's deaths to jump start his memory but I guess they are waiting for Batman VS Dracula for that.

Penguin is over used and annoying even here. Though since he was given back his anti Bruce motavation form season one I was happy.

7/10 0r 3.5*'s

[jv2k]

I wonder if they can't actually show his parents death or even imply it because it would be too grim.

[Hero Supreme]

i wouldnt mind them overusing penguin IF he wasnt an episode killer. but he really brought this episode down. this episode did have decent development of batgirl, but once again made bruce wayne out to be a shmuck. (where were the nachos :))

this series has grown on me i admit, but the penguins cackle always brings back memories of the worst episodes. plus how many times are we going to be faked out that someone will learn bats secret ID?

[MJC]

Somebody kill the Penguin...

OK episode, nothing special, but they really need to give him a rest.

[jv2k]

i wouldnt mind them overusing penguin IF he wasnt an episode killer. but he really brought this episode down. this episode did have decent development of batgirl, but once again made bruce wayne out to be a shmuck. (where were the nachos :))

this series has grown on me i admit, but the penguins cackle always brings back memories of the worst episodes. plus how many times are we going to be faked out that someone will learn bats secret ID? The thing is, it wasn't a fake out. She actually had figured it out.

[Hero Supreme]

The thing is, it wasn't a fake out. She actually had figured it out.
i still consider it a fake out because by the end of the episode the status quo is still holding strong.

[jv2k]

Yea, but at least it was better than the one where Ethan goes "we figured out your secret, your batman.... SIKE!" It also made me wonder why no one else made the conections between bruce and bats very distinctive jaws.

[Loren]

Penguin is over used and annoying even here. Though since he was given back his anti Bruce motavation for season one I has happy.

Yeah, that motivation (and his desire to recover his family status) seemed to fall by the wayside pretty fast. By his third episode, Penguin was just stealing bird-related stuff.

This is the first Batgirl episode I've seen. I liked the voice, and I liked the design for Barbara Gordon. Batgirl herself still looks silly to me, though.

I could point out lots of little plot holes, but I'll stick with just two. First, what did Penguin hope to do with a check? Where does a wanted felon cash a million dollar negotiable instrument? (Although I did laugh at his 'ID' line, silly as it was.) If the answer is that he wasn't serious about the check, then that means he kidnapped Wayne just for the sake of drowning him, and not profiting from it at all.

Second, who lit up the Bat-signal at the episode's start? If the cops did, then why weren't they at the scene before Batman was? All that could've been known was that a robbery had taken place. "An alarm just went off down on the docks. Let's light up the signal and let Batman handle it." Commissioner Gordon is already slacking off (and does it again when they fail to make it to the clock any sooner).

As for the excess of Penguin episodes, I did some counting. This is the 7th episode of "The Batman" to feature the Penguin. That's 7 out of, to date, 29 episodes. Seven is also the number of Penguin episodes that BTAS had in its entire 85-episode run. It's no wonder that he seems overused; he's being used three times as often.

[Hades]

You need to settle down too. You didn't even see the episode.

Did anyone actually watch the episode or did you all just sit there and :ack: and moan about The Penguin being the villain?
I watched about as much of it as I could stomach. Penguin fought Batman, Batman falls off bridge, Bruce wakes up in his bed, talking to Alfred, and that is where I turned it off.

[Style]

At this point, I'm really getting attached to Pengy and Joker, and don't mind seeing at least one of them every other episode.

The only problem I had with this ep is that the idea of Batman getting amnesia and not remembering he's Batman but still remembering he's Bruce is a little hard to swallow. "Batman" has been a major component of his life for so long, that a general memory loss shouldn't select it out.

Now, on the other hand, there is such a thing as "hysterical amnesia," which happens when, if a person is under a lot of stress, one doomsday method of coping is that they will forget their personality, and adopt another, quite different one, as a method of setting up a new life. People who this happens to typically "wake up," as in their original personality resurfaces with it's memory, a few days after onset. Sometimes, they find themselves out of state working a new job under a new name.

So, I suppose that Bruce might have undergone "hysterical amnesia," in which his subconcious editted out his Batman persona as a last ditch effort to keep him from danger. In theory, Bruce will wake up from this and really remember he's Batman at some point, (maybe he already did by episode end, it was kinda hard to tell.) Still, even using "hysterical Amnesia" this is a little hard to swallow.

Even so, non-Batman Bruce Wayne was characterized consistently with how he's always been. In the episode "Perchance to Dream," when Bruce briefly thought he wasn't really Batman, he became kind of a weiner there too.

Batgirl was cute. Action was nice. I suppose this is an episode that falls into one of the more standard "actioneer" entries of The Batman, those eps that just aren't as special. Ah well, There's always next week.

[BeyondGotham]

I posted this over on BYTB...

Parts of it was funny. I like the fact that Gordon took Barb to the Music Awards. I agree that it could have been better. YOu can really sense the 60's theme throughout the show. The giant clock reminded me of the 60's series alot. Not bad for a kids show. I try to keep a kids mind (which my wife says thats easy enough for me..lol) when watching this.
I'd say this was between 6 and 7 stars.


Here's some grabs: http://www.batmanytb.com/forum/viewthread.php?forum_id=9&thread_id=359#3403

[Batman Fan]

I totally forgot about the Batman today.:crying: Anybody know when it will air again?

[Bizarro Batman]

i still consider it a fake out because by the end of the episode the status quo is still holding strong.Not really. Had this event never happened as it did, Barbara would ALWAYS have a sneaking suspicion that Batman is Bruce. This way she's almost never gonna find out who he is unless he himself reveals it to her.

I liked the episode, but at this point if I never saw The Penguin again I wouldn't miss him.

[Hero Supreme]

I totally forgot about the Batman today.:crying: Anybody know when it will air again?
it might air friday at 3:30

[Mad Mod 49]

Now, I admit that there was one geniunely funny Penguin moment for me here: his performance at the music festival as "Ozzy and the Cobblepots". The way he had the guitar and shouted "OH YEAYAH!" at the top of his lungs was unexpected and I just found it funny.

[SRA]

Sounds like a cool episode - but all the anti - batman talk should not be on here! I do think that certain characters should be seen before others but we cant decide this - next week Scareface is returning which is a big surprise and thats why i love The Batman!!
Bring on MORE!!
SRA

[BeyondGotham]

it might air friday at 3:30
It is indeed supose to air Friday at 3:30

[ROBOTRON]

And now, a short, gentle reminder to the writers of The Batman:

STOP USING THE PENGUIN AND THE JOKER. THEY HAVE APPEARED IN TOO MANY EPISODES ALREADY. YOU HAVE OTHER VILLAINS YOU CAN USE. PLEASE DO SO. THANK YOU.



2 1/2 stars.

Mediocre story...it was ok. I can't help cringing when I saw the villian was Penguin...he's not that cute anymore.

6/10 or 2 1/2 stars. slightly above average.

[Azrael24]

this episode really isnt as bad as people keep saying it is.

i thought it was a good, above-avarage episode. besides the fact that penguin is in it, there really werent any problems with this episode. batgirl wasnt in the episode too much but she did her part and did nice detective work(i also like the camera thing.)

i liked bruce loosing his memory cause it was intersting seeing what bruce is like without batman.

anyways, ****

[90'sCartoonMan]

I could point out lots of little plot holes, but I'll stick with just two. First, what did Penguin hope to do with a check? Where does a wanted felon cash a million dollar negotiable instrument? (Although I did laugh at his 'ID' line, silly as it was.) If the answer is that he wasn't serious about the check, then that means he kidnapped Wayne just for the sake of drowning him, and not profiting from it at all.
I was wondering the same thing. Felt kinda odd to me.

I liked the idea of this episode, but I felt it had poor execution. They didn't spend nearly enough time with what Bruce became aside from making him a coward (and kinda stereotyped him at that). Alfred just sort of seemed to dictate what was going on and what would happen without really reminding him of what Batman really means. Including the Waynes would've been a good idea.

Maybe they shouldn't have spent so much time fighting Penguin in the beginning. Or they could've just cut Battilygirl out of the episode. It felt kind of weird that Batman had her watch the Kabuki twins since I figured it'd be a process before he sees her as a partner and sanctions her. They could've even done her suspecting Batman is Bruce Wayne in another episode.

I liked the idea, and I didn't really mind the Penguin (personally, I think the villain team-up episodes are the worst), but the dialogue wasn't great, and the plot could've been better. Slightly below average, especially since we know this series is capable of doing more.

Oh, and at the end...did Batman imply that he's a woman?

[Ruseri]

Oh, and at the end...did Batman imply that he's a woman?
I was slightly weirded out by that line as well... he says, "What makes you sure i'm a MAN?" and i REALLY think they could have chosen a better line. i THINK the point they were tring to make is that he might not be human... to the effect of, "what makes you think i'm not a BAT?" but they way he said it made him sound... silly.

[Azrael24]

Did anyone notice tat penguin didnt do any matrix moves?? and he didnt even fight at all!! he left it all to the kabuki twins!!

thats development and the real penguin

[Gaunt]

Wow, this was almost as bad as "Topsy, Turvey." The cliched amnesia storyline and the "Bruce Wayne can't be Batman" bit was pretty horrid. Alfred held some of the best parts (love the batarang throw) but then there was the "inner-Bat" line.

Penguin doesn't annoy me as much as some posters here, but there was nothing examined regarding his character. It's good that the anti-Bruce motivation is back at the very least. Oh, and Penguin was actually somewhat amusing in this episode.

Anyway, it's great that Scarface is back. "Big Dummy" happens to be one of best episodes in the series and I hope "A Fistful of Felt" reaches its level.

[Fone Bone]

At this point, I'm really getting attached to Pengy and Joker, and don't mind seeing at least one of them every other episode. I'm not sure where all of the hate is coming from regarding the Penguin. Actually, I DID hate this episode but the Penguin wasn't the problem at all.


The only problem I had with this ep is that the idea of Batman getting amnesia and not remembering he's Batman but still remembering he's Bruce is a little hard to swallow. "Batman" has been a major component of his life for so long, that a general memory loss shouldn't select it out. Exactly. I don't care how cliched complete amnesia is, it's a heckuva lot more believable than THIS crap.


Now, on the other hand, there is such a thing as "hysterical amnesia," which happens when, if a person is under a lot of stress, one doomsday method of coping is that they will forget their personality, and adopt another, quite different one, as a method of setting up a new life. People who this happens to typically "wake up," as in their original personality resurfaces with it's memory, a few days after onset. Sometimes, they find themselves out of state working a new job under a new name.

So, I suppose that Bruce might have undergone "hysterical amnesia," in which his subconcious editted out his Batman persona as a last ditch effort to keep him from danger. In theory, Bruce will wake up from this and really remember he's Batman at some point, (maybe he already did by episode end, it was kinda hard to tell.) Still, even using "hysterical Amnesia" this is a little hard to swallow. I couldn't buy it being hysterical amnesia either. The writers of this show have made Bruce a rock listening, nacho eating pretty boy so I there is NO way I could ever take seriously that his psyche is that damaged. Add to the fact that Alfred NEVER brought up his parent's death as a reason for Batman and this episode makes it seem like Bruce is Batman because he likes it.

Then again Alfred hesitated when he told Bruce that he likes helping people so maybe he didn't bring it up to spare him some pain? If that was the case that wasn't the best way to go about it if he really wanted Batman back.




Even so, non-Batman Bruce Wayne was characterized consistently with how he's always been. In the episode "Perchance to Dream," when Bruce briefly thought he wasn't really Batman, he became kind of a weiner there too. Not to the extent in this episode. He wasn't a coward in PtD at all. I don't care if he DOESN'T remember being Batman a person's nature doesn't really change that much when they lose their memory (The Forgotten got this completely right).

And how the heck did Bruce get his memory back at the end of the episode? Or DID he? For that matter why exactly did he lose it in the first place? Stupid Flanders. Stupid, Stupid Rat Creatures.




Batgirl was cute. Action was nice. I suppose this is an episode that falls into one of the more standard "actioneer" entries of The Batman, those eps that just aren't as special. Ah well, There's always next week.Agree with the Batgirl was cute comment as she is the ONLY reason I am not giving this horrid episode a zero. I REALLY hate this show's versions of Alfred and Bruce and it says something that the best character on the show is one they introduced two episodes ago.

I was also bummed that Barbara figured out Batman was Bruce only to have it "disproven" in the same episode. It would have made a REALLY great scene in a future episode if she threatened to break the "superhero code" with him in order to tag along where she wasn't wanted. It also would've been poetic. Drop the ball much?

Inner Bat? Eeee-yuuuccghh.

Who says I'm a man? Sorry, Brucie that came off WAY more effeminant that you were probably trying to be.

Anybody else who complains about the new awesome theme song I promise to personally to come your house, sit on your head and blow farts. And I'm a big guy so that's a dire threat.

Laughed at the "Ozzy and the Copplepots" line.

Pretty bad episode. Score. **.

[MacGyver]

This was just bad. I've never been a fan of the Penguin in general. And I'm REALLY not a fan of this version, as he's just played for laughs. I can't take him seriously, as he's alway making some crappy joke. The fact that he sounds just like Spongebob and the Mayor when both characters are angry doesn't help either. Tom Kenny is a great actor, he's just not Penguin material.

And as others have said the amnesia thing just didn't work. If Batman were to get amnesia, he'd forget everything. Not just being Batman. The idea of Batman getting amnesia could've been handled better.

Bruce being a coward just wasn't right. He wouldn't change his personality completly. That was one of the worst things they could've done, and they did it. I've seen better amnesia stories in other places besides superhero shows where a person's personality doesn't change. There's an episode of MacGyver called D.O.A.: MacGyver, in which MacGyver loses his memory, and is conned into helping some terrorists with an assassination he was supposed to thwart. Even though he was duped and given a gun to kill his friend/boss Pete Thorton, he couldn't do it. Killing and using a gun just isn't in MacGyver's nature. Being a coward shouldn't be in Bruce's.

I won't even get into my complaints about Alfred doing a crappy job of helping Bruce get his memory back.

The only saving grace...Batgirl. While I felt her plot really wasn't necessary, and sort of tagged on, I at least like her character. The plot with her could've been better used later on, but it saved the episode from being a 0 star episode. My opinon: *1/2 (thanks Batgirl)

[Snailbait]

Oh, come on...it wasn't that bad. I haven't seen every episode in the series, so I haven't seen much of Penguin. Yeah, I agree...the amnesia was cliched and not very believable, and those cause plotholes, but it wasn't terrible. I thought it was actually decent. I am still adoring Batgirl (notice that in this episode Penguin referred to her as the Batgirl). They had a good balance with her in this episode...she wasn't in every scene, but she was in it enough.

I give it 3 stars out of 5.

[Spideyfan1983]

I saw this episode. I thought it was pretty interesting to see Batman's memory go blank. :)

[Doomsday]

Not really much going for this episode. Seen much better from this show so I know it could of been better. I think the episode would of been a lot more interesting and believable if Batman forgets that he is Bruce Wayne and an actually human and thinks he's just the Batman. 2 stars.

[Alpha Flight]

I thought this episode was okay! 3 stars, that is only if the proceeding episode displays how Bruce gets the rest of his memory back! In this episode he lost a lot of his Bat memories. Toward the end he regained some of his reflexes but that still doesn't replace memory and how did remember how to change his voice to protect his secret identity?
This episode had some great Batgirl action sequences! Bruce's hesitation to act in times of need and his preference for easy as opposed to heroic solutions were portrayed well and believeable.

[Binker]

People were wondering abiout the line "Who says I'm a man" said by Batman to Batgirl. Now those people said that it was misleading because it sorta led to the idea that Batman was telling Batgirl that he wasn't a man, but a woman. I have NO idea where that came from. But from the rerun today, that idea didn't even come up. EVER.

If anyone remembered the "creature of the night" line, he was referring to that.

[sdp]

I saw it today and it was a pretty good episode, i enjoye dit quitea bit. Only tidbit is the amnesia thing kind of appened too fast "ok now i have the courage" i don't know didn't fit too well but i still liked the episode quite a bit.

[raykremer]

As far as Bruce Wayne amnesia tales go, the B:TAS episode with the chain gang of homeless people was infinitely better than this.

I don't like Barbera figuring out Bruce = Batman, because if she can, anybody can. The entire DC universe is based on that people can't see the obvious clues that Superman is Clark Kent without glasses and Batman would have to be a local rich guy with a tragic childhood. In B:TAS, Batman's intellectual equal Ra's Al Gul was the only one to ever piece it together, and even there Talia had already seen Bruce's face anyway.

And of course it's so bloody convenient that Barbera happens to make the connection at the same time Bruce has the selective amnesia. Though coincidences like that are pretty common on TV shows so I can't complain that much about it.

[Jordo]

I happened to catch this episode today.

Oh my god. Batgirl is the most adorable thing I've ever seen. Seriously. I didn't think I'd like her but she's so likeable and cute. She's gosh darn adorable.

I hated Penguin. My god. I like Tom Kenny as a comic performer and he's done good voices in the past (Heffer from Rocko's Modern Life is his most rounded and thought out character) but he SHOULD NOT do the Penguin. I think he's just doing what he thinks Penguin would sound like, cause he's a cartoon voice actor. But like in BTAS (I KNOW ITS NOT BTAS BUT...) they used people whos voices were more naturally inclined to be those characters...

It just came off as like "WAH WAH WAH, I'M DOING AN IMITATION OF PENGUIN, WAAAH" instead of actually hearing a real character.


Anyway: Batgirl is adorable.

No comment on the partial-amnesia plot.

-Jordan