Lost "Adrift" Talkback (Spoilers)

[Fone Bone]

New Lost tonight after a rerun of last week's episode.


Next Episode:
Wednesday, Sept. 28, 9/8c
"Adrift"
With the abduction of Walt fresh on their minds and their raft destroyed, Michael, Sawyer and Jin fight for their lives and discover a new predator in the roiling ocean. Meanwhile on land, Locke must descend into the hatch when one castaway goes missing inside.

Discuss.

[Conekiller]

Since it seems noone noticed my last post in the last thread, I'll repost the images poster form the Fuselage boards compositted together of Desmon'd mural:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/Conekiller/LOSTmural_enhanced.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/Conekiller/LOSTmural2.jpg

[silverwings]

thanks for the pics!

I see 16 and 42 and I'm pretty sure 108 is the total of the Numbers. I just have no idea what to make of the pictures. :sweat:

[Conekiller]

that "16" is actually another "108" just that one of the Suns' rays intesects the 0 in the precise angle to invoke a 6. it is also said that the sun is 108 times the size of the earth. and that the distance from the sun to the earth is 108 times the sun's diameter.

can you see the boat (raft?) in the bottom right? it looks as if somehting spinning is plowing into the side (spinning using comicbook imagery, which the show has been known to do)

[Stewie]

Meanwhile on land, Locke must descend into the hatch when one castaway goes missing inside.But the last we saw, Locke had already gone inside. Are we seeing what happened before Jack got there?

[Rook]

What did that crate say when she put it on the floor to stand on?

Mike gives Walt a teddy polar bear....

[Discloner]

Am I just crazy...or did that shark have Desmond's logo on it?

Edit: Holy crap it did.

[silverwings]

The shark had Hatch-man's logo on it.

Apollo candy... apparently it's a real brand but it's discontinued. Can't seem to find out *when* it was manufactored, though.

Poor Sawyer. Why does the entire island hate him? :sweat:

[RD!]

There is a flying saucer abducting someone in that mural.

[Temple Fugate]

I just knew they'd leave us hanging at the same point as the last episode. Good thing they also gave us the raft cliffhanger as well, or I'd be fuming right now.

The credits are looking a bit more faded than they used to. Was that the same board room set they used in Claire's flashback from "Raised by Another?"

"What did one snowman say to the other snowman?" I think the answer might be "Your nose looks delicious." Any other ideas?

THE FLASHBACK - Touching. The polar bear plushie was cute, and that boy looks remarkably like Walt. It wasn't really interesting, since we knew all that had happened, but it fit thematically.

INSTANCES OF THE NUMBERS - When Locke looked at the countdown clock, it read 002:38, and then it reset to 108:00 when he inputed all of the Numbers. Thank GOD Desmond doesn't have Dexter's little sister down there with him, he'd be screwed.

Lost 2x02: "Adrift" - 4 8 15 16 23 42

[Style]

I thought tonight was going to reveal the fate of everyone on the island?


Damn Lost and it's weiner teases...

[Temple Fugate]

I thought tonight was going to reveal the fate of everyone on the island?


Damn Lost and it's weiner teases...ABC does the worst job at promoting a show. It's like they treat every episode like it's the ultimate super episode-to-end-all-episodes. That is, until next week when that one's even better. :shrug: And I thought I was annoyed with NBC constantly using the phrase "one of their own" in their shows' promos. This is ridiculous.

You notice the shadows on the beach? My guess last year was right, they're now on the other side of the Island.

[Colin]

I thought tonight was going to reveal the fate of everyone on the island?


Damn Lost and it's weiner teases...

And it did just that... we now know that after the events of the finale, everyone has survived. Isn't that a good enough revelation of the fate of everyone?

It's not ABC's fault how the viewer interprets the trailer... all they said was that the fate of everyone would be revealed, and if you were naive enough to think it was anything other than their fate since the finale, well, can't really do much to fault ABC on the viewer's stupidity...

[Sandoz]

Michael giving Walt the stuffed polar bear was too cute. Another bit of evidence for the "Walt subconsciously created the island's polar bear with his power" theory...

Meh, I thought this episode was pretty disappointing. It had good character interaction and personal drama (which has always been one of Lost's strong points) but very little actually happened. The repeated scenes from the season premiere didn't help.

[Discloner]

Lets start off by saying I don't like Michael stories. They bore me. They always seem to be the same EXACT flash back of "NO I DON'T WANT YOU TO TAKE MY SON" back and forth banter...and in the end we knew Walt did indeed go to Rome so there just was no drama at all in this episode's backstory with Michael.

On top of that, I find Michael an annoying character, because he's brash and hostile. So I just don't sympathize with him...Woo, the others took his son mimics the real world where his non-wife took his son. I get it.

I kind of liked how this episode backed up a bit. I was really interested in seeing what happened to Locke and Kate; more so then seeing what happened to the raft people. In the end though...I suppose we learned little, or even saw more then we did last episode. Kate got to eat candy, Locke played brown-noser to Desmond, and Jack made the same dumbfounded look on his face.

The one lil' nugget that I picked up on (and don't let Steve tell you otherwise) is the fact that the shark that was going after Sawyer had Desmond's logo on it.

In the end...I found this episode rather boring, but still Lost good. I didn't find myself hinged to the TV like last week...but more so getting annoyed with Micheal's backstory and both his and Sawyer's clashing stubborness for an hour. I'll just chalk it up to disliking the Micheal character (did anyone else think he looked like he had an allergic reaction to...something?), rather then a truely bad LOST episode.

Oh well. Atleast the raft adventure is truely over now...I didn't much like it from day one.

[Style]

And it did just that... we now know that after the events of the finale, everyone has survived. Isn't that a good enough revelation of the fate of everyone?

It's not ABC's fault how the viewer interprets the trailer... all they said was that the fate of everyone would be revealed, and if you were naive enough to think it was anything other than their fate since the finale, well, can't really do much to fault ABC on the viewer's stupidity... And yet, this premise falls apart when you realize that they haven't revealed Walt's fate.

So be careful who you call stupid next time.

[Colin]

And yet, this premise falls apart when you realize that they haven't revealed Walt's fate.

So be careful who you call stupid next time.
Perhaps, but they have stated that he's alive and on the island because he's the child that Danielle stated the Others wanted.... call that a fate? I do.

[Style]

Perhaps, but they have stated that he's alive and on the island because he's the child that Danielle stated the Others wanted.... call that a fate? I do. You're whole premise seems like a stretch to justify the advertising, and it doesn't mean you had to get insulting about it either.

[Stuckey]

This was my first time watching Lost (I watched the re-airing of the premier too), so of course I can't judge it against previous episodes but I really enjoyed it.

[Colin]

You're whole premise seems like a stretch to justify the advertising, and it doesn't mean you had to get insulting about it either.
Regardless... based on your comments last week regarding what to expect and your comments this week after viewing the episode, you seemed highly disappointed to find out that the entire reason the castaways are on the island wasn't revealed. You were expecting too much. You were reading too much into the trailer. You can't tell me that you didn't read too deep because you looked beyond the obvious... they'd reveal what would happen from the finale, even though it was stated by myself and others that it's going to be as such.

Forget the fact that they didn't actually show you Walt in the hands of the Others... based on much of the information we've been given, it's an obviously logical conclusion to figure that Walt is alive and in the hands of the Others... and that the Others won't hurt him... yet. I'm not stretching the advertising, I'm making the logical inference based on what I've been presented from the show.

[Temple Fugate]

Lets start off by saying I don't like Michael stories. They bore me. They always seem to be the same EXACT flash back of "NO I DON'T WANT YOU TO TAKE MY SON" back and forth banter...I think this is only the second Michael episode. "Special" was the only other Michael/Walt ep. But you're right, the character isn't "dimensional" enough to write multiple flashbacks that reveal different parts of his character. All he's got going for him character-wise is his fatherly love.


Oh well. Atleast the raft adventure is truely over now...I didn't much like it from day one.Well, technically, it only lasted a day and a half. ;)

My friend really wanted to be the first one to post here about the shark's tatoo, but you observant folks ruined his fun. :mad: Are you guys robots? How did you notice that on the first showing? I could barely even tell that mass moving around in the water was a shark.

[silvanoir]

ARGHH! Lost, you and your flashbacks of things you already flashbacked to!

We get that Walt's mother took him off to Europe without Mike wanting him to go, that was covered. We didn't need to see it again, except the bit about the polar bear. If they show another flashback of Jack not getting along with his father though, I swear, I might give up on the show! (ok, not really). Please, show, stick with what's happening NOW unless the past event is vital or never revealed before.

I'm wondering if the island is in a Bermuda triangle deal ... that maybe they really can't get out, it's not on a map, not visible, weird stuff happens ... especially after the guy in the hatch was so shocked that there was a world still out there, and having met Jack before in what couldn't have been too long ago and been in the hatch a long time ... time discrepancies. Hmm...

What do you think typing in the numbers at the command prompt on the computer really did? Other than reset that timer... but what is that timer for?

[Stuckey]

Are you guys robots? How did you notice that on the first showing? I could barely even tell that mass moving around in the water was a shark.
DVR

[Temple Fugate]

What do you think typing in the numbers at the command prompt on the computer really did? Other than reset that timer... but what is that timer for?No idea. But Desmond must be REALLY messed up. If he has to do that sequence every 108 minutes, the sleep deprivation must be driving him insane. Maybe it resets the signal being broadcast from the Island? No...Danielle's team found the tower and redid the transmission so it couldn't be that.

DVRYes, I have one too and checked it. I was just surprised you guys saw anything worth frame-by-framing in the first place. But then, I usually get swept up in the scene to notice things like that.

[Stuckey]

having met Jack before in what couldn't have been too long ago and been in the hatch a long time ... time discrepancies. Hmm...
I still don't get why everybody assumes he's been down there for a great deal of time. The only thing I've seen to support this is that all the machines are from the 70s/80s. There is a chance that whoever set up the bunker did so recently and just used older computers, etc. Given what I've read about the show,though, everything seems to be a clue so that's probably not the case.


Edit: I just remember Desmond's guns so the second part of my post is pretty much debunked.

[Stuckey]

I was just surprised you guys saw anything worth frame-by-framing in the first place. But then, I usually get swept up in the scene to notice things like that.

Good point. Maybe the "people" who caught it are robots.:eek:

[zmanjz]

You know... I'm reminded of an old episode of the Outer Limits from 1995...


DEAD MAN'S SWITCH

Ben Conklin (JAMES LE GROS) has been a loner ever since his parents died when he was twelve years old. This is one reason why General James Eiger (DONNELLY RHODES) selected him to spend a year buried in a bunker 11,000 feet below the Artic tundra, manning the controls of a doomsday device set up by world leaders after the Hubble space telescope spotted 11 spaceships heading towards Earth. The device is designed as a last-line deterrent against alien invasion and Conklin's job, shared with four other loners in four other bunkers, is to hit a dead man's switch on the bunkers control panel that prevents the doomsday device from going off and destroying aliens and mankind alike. At first, the job is easy, but as the aliens draw closer to Earth, and as Conklin grows closer to his subterranean colleagues, he begins to doubt the reliability of the doomsday machine. News from General Eiger becomes scarce, then Conklin's fellow guardians begin to fall victim to assorted mishaps. Conklin realizes that he carries the weight of the world - and the fate of mankind in the palm of his hand.

The guy in that episode lives underground, and his job is to punch in the "Dooms Day Cancel Code" for as long as he is alive.

The way that Desmond ran to punch in the "Cursed Numbers" when the alarm went off reminded me of that 10 year old episode.

and of course, the sum of "4 8 15 16 23 42".......... is 108

[cartoonboy]

if someone could post a pic of the shark with Desmond's logo that would be swell.

[Lord Dalek]

You know, they could have edited this episode and "Man Of Science, Man Of Faith" into one two hour episode fairly seemlessly.

Guess not.

[ManicWebb]

Okay, here's my theory:
Desmond met Jack not more than a few years ago. He's currently living underground, on a desert island, with computers barely enough to legally drink, and he thinks the outside world is completely gone. Say it with me, folks... Y2K.

While I'm glad we finally got to see what happened to the Raft Party, and what Locke and Kate were doing in the hatch with Desmond, I am extremely miffed that the Inner-Hatch scene once again ended with Jack saying "you" with a dumbfounded look on his face.

Michael gives Walt a polar bear? Interesting...

Pppssst! ABC promos. There's no point in even paying attention to them. Their fate will be revealed, eh? I just figured they meant that more mysteries would eventually be revealed this season. I know this show all too well to believe they'd actually reveal The Big Answers in one episode at the beginning of the season.

[DownwardSpiral]

This episode didn't really do it for me. I mean it was good, but like others have said not quite what I expected. I guess I'm just frustrated that we really didn't get anywhere with the Jack and Desmond story and the whole hatch plot, which I found much more interesting than what was going on with the people on the raft. Overall, it seemed to have the same unanswered questions from last episode but was still enjoyable.

[Fone Bone]

This is an evil, evil show. I take solace in the fact that in an Entertainment Weekly article a producer revealed that Desmond's story will be told next week. I would have been all right with Micheal's flashback's if they had progressed Jack's story forward ONE SCENE as well. I would have settled for two new lines of dialogue. As it was the flashbacks were a waste and unless the character's history is compelling (Locke, Sawyer, Jin) it seems to really drag the show down and become a waste of time.

I don't think those are the Others that captured Micheal, Jin, and Sawyer this week. Minor spoiler Michelle Rodriguez is among them in the preview and she was on the plane. I surmise they are the folks from the back of the plane who captured Our Heroes because they thought THEY were the Others. Thus Jin's confusion at the word Others. I expect to learn the fate of Rose's husband next week.

The world according to Locke. I don't care how "good" his intentions were his plan to sell out Kate and manipulate Desmond was a bad one. I don't see ANY reason that he was any more capable of Kate to get them out of this situation other than the fact that he was enjoying himself and wanted to learn more, at Kate's expense. And his plan in saying that he was the guy Desmond was waiting for was laughably bad as any nimrod could have seen through that. Then again, the way Locke said "I am" kind of scared me as he was acting as "the Chosen One" or something. There is a huge chance he actually believed it which I think is scary beyond belief.

The only solace I take from his behavior is that going by Kate's reaction to the chocolate and the ability to hoard more, she was probably GLAD things worked out the way they did.

I had a serious bad feeling that this episode would spin it's wheels a bit until next week. It would have been forgivable in my mind if so much time wasn't wasted on Micheal's flashbacks. The producers need to learn how to feel comfortable enough not to have to use flashbacks in every show. They used to be a treat but unless something in them relates directly to something that happened this week (see Jack's last week) they are seriously frustrating, especially on weeks that demand more information.

Still, the fact is that answers are coming next week (unless they pull a similar trick with the raft survivors and show Jin's capture). Unless they kill Desmond and "the Others" in the opening next week it is unavoidable that a lot of our questions will be answered. Last week's reveal of Desmond in the hatch at the beginning struck me as a show of good faith from the producers. It tells me that they DO actually have answers planned and will eventually reveal them even if more questions are raised. Lost may have it's flaws, but assuming it makes it's way to a series finale on the producer's terms I don't see it going the way of other shows and either never answering the questions (Twin Peaks) or having the answers be seriously underwhelming (The X-Files). Score: ****.

[ShadowGUN]

http://lost.cubit.net/pics/lostSharkb.jpg

The shark and Desmond logo :eek:

[Temple Fugate]

I had a serious bad feeling that this episode would spin it's wheels a bit until next week. It would have been forgivable in my mind if so much time wasn't wasted on Micheal's flashbacks. The producers need to learn how to feel comfortable enough not to have to use flashbacks in every show. They used to be a treat but unless something in them relates directly to something that happened this week (see Jack's last week) they are seriously frustrating, especially on weeks that demand more information.The problem with the producers abandoning the flashback formula at this point is that it's become an intrinsic part to the series. With every episode, you expect it to focus on a specific character, and for that character to have a flashback. They way I think they should have done it, last season's finale brought everyone's flashbacks of their morning before the plane crash. That seemed like the perfect "send-off" to the regular weekly flashbacks. Then they could occasionally have an episode with relevant flashbacks pop up once in a while for the rest of the series, but for the most part they could just concentrate on what was happening at the Island. But, that would mean giving more info away every episode, and with the multiple seasons ABC's expecting from the show, they can't afford to do that. I wish JJ and everybody else would have the guts to say "screw you, we don't care about what you want, you didn't even think this show would make it, and we don't care about making more money, this is the story and it's the way we want to do it." :shrug: That's what I think, anyway.

[Samhaine]

The shark and Dawson logo :eek:Wait, the logo says DAWSON? I haven't been able to make it out, but if that is indeed the case, then I wonder what, if any, connection Michael has to this Dawson business. After all, he did make a point to say his last name clearly to the lawyer, and the last time somebody told somebody their name in a flashback, Desmond showed up in the hatch.

Just thinking out loud here...

[ShadowGUN]

Actually I was refering to the logo found in Desmond stuffs I accidently call him Dawson. I wonder if the shark is part of the island security like the smoke beast from island? BTW on Access Hollywood is was revealed what Walt was saying. It was something about “Don’t press the button.”

Could he be referring to the button Jack was to press?

[Conekiller]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/Conekiller/DesmondLogo.jpg
The logo says "Dharma", it's a Bhuddist symbol(tho I can understnad why you think it's Dawson, it's what Micheal's lawyer mistook his last name for). I've heard the symbol is also located on some paperwork on a desk at the house Jin goes to to rough up Mr Paik's employee. So could Jin's presence on the plane be directly responsible for it's crash? (he was threatened before boarding the plane, but this also assumes the people Desmond "works" for are the ones responsible for the plane crash in general)



I don't think those are the Others that captured Micheal, Jin, and Sawyer this week. Minor spoiler Michelle Rodriguez is among them in the preview and she was on the plane. I surmise they are the folks from the back of the plane who captured Our Heroes because they thought THEY were the Others. Thus Jin's confusion at the word Others. I expect to learn the fate of Rose's husband next week.
I don't think so Michelle Rodriguez (God, I can't stand her) seemed to be in a prison of sorts, and shocked to see other survivors. Plus the people we saw have a more primal look to them, granted, other survivors would probably become more primal if not having a stong leader like Jack, an uber-hunter like Locke or the light hearted antics of Charlie, and Hurley.


The world according to Locke. I don't care how "good" his intentions were his plan to sell out Kate and manipulate Desmond was a bad one. I don't see ANY reason that he was any more capable of Kate to get them out of this situation other than the fact that he was enjoying himself and wanted to learn more, at Kate's expense. And his plan in saying that he was the guy Desmond was waiting for was laughably bad as any nimrod could have seen through that. Then again, the way Locke said "I am" kind of scared me as he was acting as "the Chosen One" or something. There is a huge chance he actually believed it which I think is scary beyond belief.

The only solace I take from his behavior is that going by Kate's reaction to the chocolate and the ability to hoard more, she was probably GLAD things worked out the way they did.

Agree completely, this is the first time I think Locke overstepped his "logic" boundaries and let his child-like curiosity get the better of him (did you see the gleam in his eyes while all this was happening? He's enjoying every second of this.

To answer the question "What did one Snowman say to another Snowman" it's "Freeze!" an old joke that 7 year olds find funny ^__^

I really hope another flashback later gives us some insight that makes Micheal's flashback a tiny bit more relevant (a cameo would have been nice, like having "You all, everybody" playing on the radio or something) Becuase no new information was really given , aside from the connection to Walt and a Polar Bear , and Walt's mom's lawyer is a HUGE "female dog"!

ANother interesting connection: The candy Kate found is named Apollo (Roman Sun god), while it may be an existing brand, it helps to connect more Hatch-happenings, such as the Sun on the mural with 108 in it, 108 also being the number the computer countdown reverts to. eeeeentersting

[Terminatah]

The world according to Locke. I don't care how "good" his intentions were his plan to sell out Kate and manipulate Desmond was a bad one. I don't see ANY reason that he was any more capable of Kate to get them out of this situation other than the fact that he was enjoying himself and wanted to learn more, at Kate's expense. And his plan in saying that he was the guy Desmond was waiting for was laughably bad as any nimrod could have seen through that. Then again, the way Locke said "I am" kind of scared me as he was acting as "the Chosen One" or something. There is a huge chance he actually believed it which I think is scary beyond belief.Interesting theory about Locke possibly believing that he was "him." I took his performance as him relying on his faith to pick the answer that wouldn't get him shot, which I think is far more likely. I was disappointed that he didn't take a stab at the snowman riddle, but then, that's kind of a hard one.

Prediction about the snowman riddle: It sounds a lot like those dumb jokes Michael was sending to Walt in his birthday cards. Could it have something to do with that?


Agree completely, this is the first time I think Locke overstepped his "logic" boundaries and let his child-like curiosity get the better of him (did you see the gleam in his eyes while all this was happening? He's enjoying every second of this.Here's where I disagree with you and Fone Bone. He put Kate in the position of advantage by slipping her the knife, knowing that she could free herself out of Desmond's sight. If anything, he is putting himself in harm's way to guarantee her safety.

-Terminatah

[Conekiller]

I agreed not so much about Kate, but more aobut his eagerness and obvious enjoyment of the whole situation. But...yeah.

[Tapout]

I agree with Conekiller. Locke probably is enjoying the situation, but when it comes down to it Kate is alone and armed while Locke has a gun pointed at his head.

[Stewie]

Some notable things that Desmond said:

-He asked how many of the survivors were sick. That seemed to be a major concern. He was now exposed.

-And what was it he was surprised about when talking to Locke? I got the impression he was didn't think that civilization would still be up and running.

[Conekiller]

Conjecture as to the zombie-like walk of the "others" seen at the end could be a result of the "infection" a zombification infection?

I still think too much of what we're seeing can't be explained scientifically, there HAS to be some supernatural stuff going on (Like Locke's dream, how could he have have possibly known of the Beechcraft and Theresa falling up and down the stairs)

[Temple Fugate]

The logo says "Dharma", it's a Bhuddist symbol(tho I can understnad why you think it's Dawson, it's what Micheal's lawyer mistook his last name for). I've heard the symbol is also located on some paperwork on a desk at the house Jin goes to to rough up Mr Paik's employee. So could Jin's presence on the plane be directly responsible for it's crash? (he was threatened before boarding the plane, but this also assumes the people Desmond "works" for are the ones responsible for the plane crash in general)I just checked the DVD of "...In Translation" and didn't notice the symbol anywhere at the man's house.

Thinking back at Jack's "let's all hide in the hatch" idea, I'm realizing how bad of a plan it was. So there was enough space to fit everybody after all, but even knowing that, they still would have no idea if there was another way out of there. The Others could simply surround the hatch and wait for them to either come out or die of hunger.

[ShadowGUN]

Conjecture as to the zombie-like walk of the "others" seen at the end could be a result of the "infection" a zombification infection?

I still think too much of what we're seeing can't be explained scientifically, there HAS to be some supernatural stuff going on (Like Locke's dream, how could he have have possibly known of the Beechcraft and Theresa falling up and down the stairs)

Except that Michelle Rodriguez character didn't seem infected by it. Which makes me wonder if not everyone is affected by it. Too bad we have to wait to find out.

[Stewie]

Except that Michelle Rodriguez character didn't seem infected by it. Which makes me wonder if not everyone is affected by it. Too bad we have to wait to find out.Well, it could take time to take affect (or is it effect).
But Ethan wasn't either. And I didn't notice any zombie-like movements. They were shot at an angle out of focus.

[Stuckey]

Okay, here's my theory:
Desmond met Jack not more than a few years ago. He's currently living underground, on a desert island, with computers barely enough to legally drink, and he thinks the outside world is completely gone. Say it with me, folks... Y2K.
That's not a bad theory at all.




Michael gives Walt a polar bear? Interesting...


Ok, I have to ask about this. I keep seeing mention of the polar bear and the fact that there are polar bears on the island. I've gathered that Walt may be able to create things with his mind. Am I the only one who fears that the big resolution at the end of the series will be that this is all in Walt's mind or be something he is writing?

[sKorpia]

To answer a few things:

The word on the box that Kate moved to stand on was "legumes". How this man in quarantine manages to get and store fresh veggies and the like is beyond me. Which means they're either freeze-dried or he's got lots of vitamin C tablets to keep him from getting scurvy.

The symbol looks like it's combining a couple of Asian motifs. The octagonal circle surrounding sets of lines (trigrams) with a yin-yang in the middle is associated with the I Ching. So now, along with Locke and Rousseau, we have references to Asian philosophies of life, humanity and fate/destiny. The word "dharma (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=dharma)" has associations with Hinduism and Buddhism. Both, I believe (but I'm no expert), point to an ordering principle of the universe. Aside from these underlying meanings, it looks like a company or organization's logo.

I had a question about Michael. I don't have season 1 on DVD so my memory's fuzzy on this. If he gave up his paternal rights to Walt, how'd he end up with Walt again? I'd think legally Michael would have to adopt Walt after his mom died to gain custody. Or did Brian's adoption of Walt never go through? Where's a legal brain when we need one?

As for what we learned, I appreciated seeing what happened down the hatch before Jack got there. We could glean a lot of things and it answered any nitpicks about what happened during the premiere -- whose shoes, why Locke didn't pick up the flashlight when he went down, how we could hear Kate from that room. It also helps us say with some degree of certainty that the 108 does refer to minutes and, as someone else already noticed, infer what kind of life Desmond's got to be leading if he has to be ready every 108 minutes to prevent something from happening . . . or keep something going? Lack of uninterrupted sleep is killer.

[Rook]

That's not a bad theory at all.




Ok, I have to ask about this. I keep seeing mention of the polar bear and the fact that there are polar bears on the island. I've gathered that Walt may be able to create things with his mind. Am I the only one who fears that the big resolution at the end of the series will be that this is all in Walt's mind or be something he is writing?
actually i think theres gonna be some kind of Walt vs Claire's baby thing

[Temple Fugate]

I had a question about Michael. I don't have season 1 on DVD so my memory's fuzzy on this. If he gave up his paternal rights to Walt, how'd he end up with Walt again? I'd think legally Michael would have to adopt Walt after his mom died to gain custody. Or did Brian's adoption of Walt never go through? Where's a legal brain when we need one?Brian admitted that she told him before she died to give Walt back to Michael.

[Colin]

Brian admitted that she told him before she died to give Walt back to Michael.

Do you really think he did, or perhaps was Brian just saying that? After all, Brian makes it a point to tell Michael that he (Brian) never really wanted to be a father or to adopt Walt, but Susan pushed it on him. Why would Susan say "Give Walt back to Michael" after she already forced Michael to give up Walt?

...something kinda sneaky about Susan...

[MacGyver]

Well, while not as good as last weeks, it was still good.

Seeing the stuff in the hatch was okay. I liked the fact that Kate got some candy, and grabbed a bunch of it. Even though it's probably stale, it's got to be better than what they've been eating on the island.

Desmond was interesting. Not only is that timer clearly a big part of his life in the hatch, but did anyone else notice that he didn't seem to recognize Jack. Makes me wonder what's been going on in there, and what he's been pumping himself with.


The world according to Locke. I don't care how "good" his intentions were his plan to sell out Kate and manipulate Desmond was a bad one. I don't see ANY reason that he was any more capable of Kate to get them out of this situation other than the fact that he was enjoying himself and wanted to learn more, at Kate's expense. And his plan in saying that he was the guy Desmond was waiting for was laughably bad as any nimrod could have seen through that. Then again, the way Locke said "I am" kind of scared me as he was acting as "the Chosen One" or something. There is a huge chance he actually believed it which I think is scary beyond belief.I've gotta agree with you there 100%. Locke's bad news. I've said it before, and I'll say it again...and again, and again, and again. While he did give Kate the knife, I don't think it had anything to do with wanting to help her, I think he was just looking out for himself. If Kate calls him on getting her locked up, he can just say he gave her the knife. This destiny crap is serious bad news. His intentions could screw everyone soon.

The flashbacks weren't necessary. We didn't need to see them. We know Walt is going to be taken from him, so why show it? The stuffed polar bear was nice though.

It was good to see stuff with Micahel and Sawyer on the raft. While I'm not the biggest fan of Sawyer, I couldn't help but feel sorry for him as he moved around wounded. And as he tried to explain that when he pulled the gun it wasn't just for him, but also for Walt and everyone else. I honestly believe him. It was also good to see that he was concerned about Jin, given he'd been somewhat hostile to him during the first season. All in all I enjoyed Sawyer this week. Something that's uncommon for me.

While it would've been nice to see the stuff in the hatch progress a bit more, I didn't really think we would. Hopefully we will, but we may wind up seeing more on Jin on the island as a captive as someone else suggested. I hope not. I'd really like some anwsers. Of course, when we do get those anwsers, we'll only get more questions. My opinion:****

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Do you really think he did, or perhaps was Brian just saying that? After all, Brian makes it a point to tell Michael that he (Brian) never really wanted to be a father or to adopt Walt, but Susan pushed it on him. Why would Susan say "Give Walt back to Michael" after she already forced Michael to give up Walt?

...something kinda sneaky about Susan...Yeah, I've got more or less the same feeling. Plus let's not forget, he seemed kinda freaked out by Walt in the flashbacks (the bird thing), he (supposedly) just gave Walt his dog (I think it was a way to get rid of him quicker), and if I remember correctly, he paid the airfare for Walt and Michael. Doesn't seem like a lot of love from Brian.

[MacGyver]

I figure there's a time rift separating the two sides of the island. So the people from the tail of the plane have been there for 15-20 years, while the group we've been following have been there for 44 days.

Ok, that's pretty farfetched, but I like the idea.Works about as well as any other theory I've heard. The whole show is farfetched, let's face it.

[Fone Bone]

I agree with Conekiller. Locke probably is enjoying the situation, but when it comes down to it Kate is alone and armed while Locke has a gun pointed at his head.Yeah, when you put it like that, it definately isn't THAT bad. My reaction had to do with the fact that he seemed so damned gleeful at what happened when his AND Kate's lives were in jeopardy. He's friggin reckless. He is lacking a reck.




Some notable things that Desmond said:

-He asked how many of the survivors were sick. That seemed to be a major concern. He was now exposed. Yeah, I caught that too. I think there MAY be a serious disease loose on the island based on that and Rosseau.


-And what was it he was surprised about when talking to Locke? I got the impression he was didn't think that civilization would still be up and running. The Y2K theory seems a little too pat. I'd like the REAL reason for him feeling that way to be more of a mind-bender.




actually i think theres gonna be some kind of Walt vs Claire's baby thing But who will be on which side?

[Stuckey]

I figure there's a time rift separating the two sides of the island. So the people from the tail of the plane have been there for 15-20 years, while the group we've been following have been there for 44 days.

Ok, that's pretty farfetched, but I like the idea.


I think what we saw at the end of "Adrift" would debunk that. Wouldn't that mean that Jin should have aged 15-20 years when he was captured?

(Wasn't sure if we needed to hide spoilers in threads with "spoilers" in the title)

[Temple Fugate]

Do you really think he did, or perhaps was Brian just saying that? After all, Brian makes it a point to tell Michael that he (Brian) never really wanted to be a father or to adopt Walt, but Susan pushed it on him. Why would Susan say "Give Walt back to Michael" after she already forced Michael to give up Walt?
Yeah, I've got more or less the same feeling. Plus let's not forget, he seemed kinda freaked out by Walt in the flashbacks (the bird thing), he (supposedly) just gave Walt his dog (I think it was a way to get rid of him quicker), and if I remember correctly, he paid the airfare for Walt and Michael. Doesn't seem like a lot of love from Brian.It was obvious Brian was a lot more interested in Susan than being a father. But I think, if Susan really did request it, she did it because she felt sorry about taking him away from Michael. You can see the regret in her face in both "Special" and "Adrift." Whether she actually wanted to give Walt back to Michael, we'll probably never know.

I thought the producers said the first season was 40 days. Locke told Desmond 44. :confused:

[Stuckey]

I really need to go rent the first season beause I want to talk about the possibility of the people from the tail being The Others, but I don't think it's appropriate for me to get into that without seeing the first season.

[ZeroFate]

Yet another great episode. So every 108 minutes he has to put the numbers in the computer? So I guess Hurley's friend had to do that job before? I'm guessing there are shifts (after some years) for doing this kinda thing and the guy Desmond thought Locke was, was supposed to take over for him. But how on earth did Hurley's friend get back to civilization if he was on the island?

Also, how the HECK did you people catch that symbol on the shark??? I could hardly see the damn shark much less something on it. That last shot just screamed "Resident Evil" for some reason. Can't wait to see the other survivors from the plane on the next episode...

[Doop]

Do you think Desmond and Rosseau know each other? Rosseau killed all the others because they had the disease, and Desmond locked himself in quarantine in fear of the disease.

As for Desmond not recognising Jack... To him, Jack was probably just some guy he met one day while jogging.
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I'm glad Jin didn't die. I assumed he had drowned when he disappeared at the beginning of the episode (though didn't the producers hint that one of the rafters would die?)

[Stuckey]

Yet another great episode. So every 108 minutes he has to put the numbers in the computer? So I guess Hurley's friend had to do that job before? I'm guessing there are shifts (after some years) for doing this kinda thing and the guy Desmond thought Locke was, was supposed to take over for him. But how on earth did Hurley's friend get back to civilization if he was on the island?

If the government put him down there, they could come back and get him. Maybe the guy in the psych ward was replaced by Desmond. I can see how that job would drive a person a little nuts, and you can tell that Desmond's demeanor is much different from when he met Jack at the stadium. That would explain why he was repeating those numbers over and over (he put them in so often that they consumed him).

[Discloner]

Are you guys robots? How did you notice that on the first showing? I could barely even tell that mass moving around in the water was a shark.I honestly don't know how I spotted it...I was thinking about the logo, and caught a quick glimmer of it while it swam by. I wasn't taping it or anything, so I could rightfully go back and look...but luckily some friends were and they confirmed it.

I've got an eagle eye and didn't know it I suppose. :p




...or maybe I'm just a robot. Whatever's more believable. ;)

[Stewie]

The Y2K theory seems a little too pat. I'd like the REAL reason for him feeling that way to be more of a mind-bender.I figured he thought that a plague would have messed things up on the outside.


Maybe the guy in the psych ward was replaced by Desmond.The guy Hurley knew in the psych ward heard the numbers with the husband of the lady that Hurley visited in Australia. They were in the US Navy and heard them while stationed at a listening post.
And if Hurley's friend was in the hatch, he could have told Hurley something about it, rather than pointing him to Australia.

[Stuckey]

The guy Hurley knew in the psych ward heard the numbers with the husband of the lady that Hurley visited in Australia. They were in the US Navy and heard them while stationed at a listening post.
And if Hurley's friend was in the hatch, he could have told Hurley something about it, rather than pointing him to Australia.

This is why I need to shut up until I see the first season. I thought that when Hurley was telling Jack about winning the lottery with those numbers it was the first/only time anything had been said about the issue. Sorry for wasting space with an assinine theory. :o

[Stewie]

This is why I need to shut up until I see the first season. I thought that when Hurley was telling Jack about winning the lottery with those numbers it was the first/only time anything had been said about the issue. Sorry for wasting space with an assinine theory. :oNot at all.
You do need to see Season One though. "Numbers" is Hurley's ep. It's great.

[Stuckey]

You do need to see Season One though. "Numbers" is Hurley's ep. It's great.
That's the plan for this weekend. In fact, I think I'll go rent them right now because I'm starting to get the shakes I want to see them so badly. Kidding....or am I? :p

[Samhaine]

Not only is that timer clearly a big part of his life in the hatch, but did anyone else notice that he didn't seem to recognize Jack. I think the smile he gave Jack was more of an indicator that he did recognize him. I mean, Jack is a fairly common name, so there's no reason for him to assume it was the same person when Locke said "It must be Jack," and we don't know how well his little mirror system works, how clear of a picture it gives him. I guess that's something we'll see next week.


Michelle Rodriguez (God, I can't stand her) seemed to be in a prison of sorts, and shocked to see other survivors. Plus the people we saw have a more primal look to them, granted, other survivors would probably become more primal if not having a stong leader like Jack, an uber-hunter like Locke or the light hearted antics of Charlie, and Hurley.Or it could be that most of the things, clothes, luggage, etc, landed with "our" survivors, and so they had a lot less materials to work with. It seems that the tail section was smaller than the portion of the plane that landed with the 48. Or, they're the Others. Who knows?

[Tapout]

I must be the only one who's recently watched season 1. Brian made it quite clear that he only adopted Walt to be with Susan and he had no desire to be a father after she died.

[sKorpia]

I must be the only one who's recently watched season 1. Brian made it quite clear that he only adopted Walt to be with Susan and he had no desire to be a father after she died.
So then at the time of Susan's death, legal responsibility for Walt rests solely with Brian. I wonder how long it takes to transfer legal responsibility.

It's Susan who weirds me out. She doesn't want Michael to have anything to do with Walt for Walt's own good. Technically there's no reason for Michael to have been contacted regarding Susan or Walt. It all just seems odd.

[Tapout]

So then at the time of Susan's death, legal responsibility for Walt rests solely with Brian. I wonder how long it takes to transfer legal responsibility.

It's Susan who weirds me out. She doesn't want Michael to have anything to do with Walt for Walt's own good. Technically there's no reason for Michael to have been contacted regarding Susan or Walt. It all just seems odd.
Yeah, they didn't really explain any of the legal stuff IIRC. Brian pretty much just showed up at Michael's place and said "Here's a plane ticket to Sidney and two back to New York. Come get your kid."

[silvanoir]

What I don't understand is why she didn't want Micheal involved with Walt's life. She moved for business and more money the first time, ok, but she's still a bit odd about it. Having poeple who care about you and pay attention to you is more important than money to a kid. She was up to somethnig.

I noticed the shark had a tatoo the first viewing, but didn't know what it was. Why would you tatoo a shark...? They're not really trainable animals either. I guess it still makes more sense as a security system than poalr bears on a tropical island.

[Discloner]

Or clowds of clanking smoke....

[Stuckey]

I noticed the shark had a tatoo the first viewing, but didn't know what it was. Why would you tatoo a shark...?
The tattooed shark is one thing that I hate about the show, because any way I can think of to incorporate it into the plot involves an explanation that I really hope isn't a direction the show goes in. Of course, it could be a red herring but that'd be one of the oddest red herrings ever.

[Yojimbo]

Dharma could be the name of the scientific expedition Rousseau and Desmond were part of, maybe they tagged sharks for their research. His task of resetting, hopefully isn't the numbers since it would contradict Rousseau's transmission, perhaps it is the source of the island's power in some way. For instance, if not reset, the monster's true form is shown? Or the facade of the island disappears and reveals a high tech society safely isolated from mainstream society?

I'm thinking, the sickness has something to do with memory loss. Let's assume Desmond received it and lost his memory and was molded to become the watchman in the hatch. When he asked if anyone else caught it, Locke said no. But Claire had memory loss as well. Saying she lost her memory from trauma is too far fetched for me. I'm starting to venture that the sickness creates a tabula rasa state for the people and they choose if they want to go along or reject it. The people that do accept it, start their lives over isolated from society; the Others. These people are those that are lost and disillusioned with their lives. Every once and a while, the Others have agents go about and select people to replace them so their mini society lives on. The special children must be used for divination or something.

[Fone Bone]

Dharma could be the name of the scientific expedition Rousseau and Desmond were part of, maybe they tagged sharks for their research. His task of resetting, hopefully isn't the numbers since it would contradict Rousseau's transmission, perhaps it is the source of the island's power in some way. For instance, if not reset, the monster's true form is shown? Or the facade of the island disappears and reveals a high tech society safely isolated from mainstream society?

I'm thinking, the sickness has something to do with memory loss. Let's assume Desmond received it and lost his memory and was molded to become the watchman in the hatch. When he asked if anyone else caught it, Locke said no. But Claire had memory loss as well. Saying she lost her memory from trauma is too far fetched for me. I'm starting to venture that the sickness creates a tabula rasa state for the people and they choose if they want to go along or reject it. The people that do accept it, start their lives over isolated from society; the Others. These people are those that are lost and disillusioned with their lives. Every once and a while, the Others have agents go about and select people to replace them so their mini society lives on. The special children must be used for divination or something.Do you know why I love this show? That is basically the craziest plot explaination I've ever heard and I can totally see it happening at the same time.:D

[Lord Dalek]

I say they're all in Tommy Westphall's mind.

[Stewie]

I say they're all in Tommy Westphall's mind.Might as well be, half of all of TV is.

[Yojimbo]

Do you know why I love this show? That is basically the craziest plot explaination I've ever heard and I can totally see it happening at the same time.:D
It was the pie that gave me the idea I guess.

Something else I realized, from last season as well as the premeire's title "man of science, man of faith". This island/mini society seems like a blend of technology and mysticism something out of a video game rpg.

Then I'm also starting to think almost everyone the cast meets in the flashbacks are really Others; the psychic Clair went to see, maybe even Michael's Susan, Jack's Sarah or perhaps her ex-fiancee etc. That would be a real show stopper if something like that happened.

[Temple Fugate]

Then I'm also starting to think almost everyone the cast meets in the flashbacks are really Others; the psychic Clair went to see, maybe even Michael's Susan, Jack's Sarah or perhaps her ex-fiancee etc. That would be a real show stopper if something like that happened.And wouldn't ya know it, Locke's father is behind it all.

...Crap, if that's true I'm going to be mad at myself for figuring it out.

[Conekiller]

Scarier, Locke's dad and the Ghost of Jack's dad are behind it all!:D


Seriously, I'd love it if we got a whole episode (flashbacks and all) from Vincent's perspective. I'm sure we'll learn alot about the characters if Vincent is the only one around them.

[Yojimbo]

Scarier, Locke's dad and the Ghost of Jack's dad are behind it all!:D


Seriously, I'd love it if we got a whole episode (flashbacks and all) from Vincent's perspective. I'm sure we'll learn alot about the characters if Vincent is the only one around them.
And what and where the dog witnesses everytime it runs away.

[Stewie]

Maybe there's more to this episode than I thought. We've hit a fifth page. But the season premiere, where we actually saw what was in the hatch, something we didn't already know, that only made it to three.

[Conekiller]

Yup! It'd be a major answers type episode (for all of you who moan about no answers)

Hurley may not really be such a nice guy after all...only vincent sees ^__^

[Samhaine]

Dharma could be the name of the scientific expedition Rousseau and Desmond were part ofWhat makes you believe Desmond was on the science expedition with Rosseau? I don't think that flies, especially because she even said "They're ALL dead." Not "They're almost all dead."

I just don't understand why so many people here seem to think that Desmond has been down there for a very long period of time, possibly predating the French scientists, even. Yes, all of the equipment is old, but that doesn't mean he's been down there since it was new. There's really no indicator one way or another how long he's been on the island, but there was evidence that it couldn't be too long, since he was in the states two years before Jack's wedding.

[Conekiller]

HOw do we know it's 2 years till Jack's wedding (did Sarah mention somehtign about "2 years ago" the first time she showed up?) Do we know how long beofre the crash Jack married her?





say it with me now.....All Vincent Episode! :D

[Yojimbo]

What makes you believe Desmond was on the science expedition with Rosseau? I don't think that flies, especially because she even said "They're ALL dead." Not "They're almost all dead."

I just don't understand why so many people here seem to think that Desmond has been down there for a very long period of time, possibly predating the French scientists, even. Yes, all of the equipment is old, but that doesn't mean he's been down there since it was new. There's really no indicator one way or another how long he's been on the island, but there was evidence that it couldn't be too long, since he was in the states two years before Jack's wedding.
Well, that could be true, since Rosseau's son would have to be 16 years old now. You never know, maybe Desmond was also mistakenly taken by the Others in the skirmish to take Rousseau's son since it seems Jin was captive for at least a litte while, if those are the Others, of course.

[Conekiller]

Alex is a girl, she mentioned so during one fo the Exodus episodes (I think once Charlie and Sayid catch up)

[Samhaine]

HOw do we know it's 2 years till Jack's wedding (did Sarah mention somehtign about "2 years ago" the first time she showed up?) Do we know how long beofre the crash Jack married her?As a matter of fact, it was when she first appeared in the show. During her speech at the rehearsal dinner, she mentioned that two years ago, Jack fixed her. So, yeah, there's a set time span between the flashback from Adrift and the wedding flashback from last season.

[zmanjz]

The Season 2 Repeats WITHOUT new episodes directly afterwards have begun.