Kids WB! Talkback: Transformers Cybertron (Week of 09/19- 09/23)

[bigddan11]

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Premieres weekdays at 4:30 PM Eastern, 3:30 PM every where else.


The epic battle between the Autobots and Decpticons continues in the newest incarnation of Transformers. The destruction of Unicron has caused a black hole to form which is threatening to consume the entire galaxy. How can the Transformers stop it? What characters will be revealed? It all begins today on Kids WB! with Transformers Cybertron. Here's the synopsis' for this weeks episodes:



Episode 1- Fallen- World Premiere episode- September 19, 2005- When Cybertron is threatened by a colossal black hole, Optimus Prime gives the order to evacuate Cybertron, but a mysterious stranger shows up with a plan which could save the entire universe.



Episode 2- Haven- US Premiere episode- September 20, 2005- With the help of their human friends, the Autobots create a new base on Earth but will they be able to finish it before Megatron comes snooping around to find out why they're on Earth?



Episode 3- Hidden- Kids WB! premiere- September 21, 2005 (originally aired on Toonami July 2, 2005)- The Autobots learn which disguises can and can't be used on Earth, but they are forced to reveal themselves when the Decepticons attack the military forces.



Episode 4- Landmine- Kids WB! premiere- September 22, 2005 (originally aired on Toonami July 9, 2005)- The veteran Autobot Landmine tries to regain the strength he lost during the battle with Starscream and Thundercracker in Fallen, but trouble arises when the Autobots find what may be the Omega Lock. Can Landmine find the strength to assist the Autobots, and what will happen when Hot Shot and Red Alert are deployed to Speed Planet to find the first cyber planet key?



Episode 5- Space- Kids WB! premiere- September 23, 2005 (originally aired on Toonami July 16, 2005)- Bud desperatley wants to go into space and tricks Scattershot into taking him up to see Earth. Trouble arises when oxygen runs out of their bubble though, and the Autobots get engaged in battle with the Decepticons. Else where on Speed Planet Megatron reveals himself to the Override, leder of Speed Planet, with one mission in mind- to claim the first cyber planet key. Will he succeed, and can the Autobots continue to hide now that Megatron has been revealed on the planet?



Please refrain from spoiling this series. There are some who are just now starting to watch Cybertron, so if you've seen the Japanesse version (Galaxy Force), or if you've seen Cybertron on CN, then be sure to post spoilers in their proper context, aka the [spoiler] box.

[Duke]

It's gonna be so weird watching KWB Weekdays again before it goes off forever...

[bigddan11]

If you like the series, then the first DVD and video was released this last Tuesday, but they start with episode 2. The VHS contains the same episodes available at the Hasbro action site (2 & 3) while the DVD contains additional episodes (2 thru 5).

[Duke]

Wow. What happened to Cody's voice?

Yuck, that full-color WB logo is damn ugly. And I forgot how stupid the weekday bumpers were.

Y'know, I didn't like the CG at first, but it's grown on me a lot.

I really like Lori's new look. :p Too bad she doesn't wear it more often.

Still don't like Prime's mouth. I thought the face was good as it was.

I gotta say, I love the G1 theme remix melody. Too bad the singers suck.

Also, props for giving Thundercracker a classic fighter jet look, instead of loading him with lots of kibble like Starscream.

Wow. David Kaye's temporary replacement really, really sucks.

[Obi]

No wonder CN didn't want to air episode 1, it's a hackjob on the level of One Piece. They should have just left episodes 1 and 2 alone instead of combining them. Still doesn't explain why they didn't air episode 3/dub episode 2 though...


Anyway, they freaking cut out Vector Prime's awesome intro. They better have that as part of this flashback sequence.

Anyone notice the miscolored Optimus face? I guess Voicebox got unfinished animation again for the first couple of episodes. Maybe that played a part in mashing the first two episodes together? Although the way it turned out, it looks to me like they just wanted to introduce the kids quicker. =/


Edit: Vector Prime's intro was SOOOOOO much cooler without Landmine's freaking narration, and the retarded dub music being interjected into it. :mad:

NOOOOOO!!! They cut out the awesome intro scene between Megatron and Starscream! It's the best scene in the whole first episode! :(


YES! They kept in Megatron smacking the crap out of Scattorshot. :zim: Although I wish Kaye had dubbed Megatron in the first episode...

[Rabi~en~Rose]

werent the first episodes skipped to redo Megatrons voice? :confused: then whys it horrible and not his normal voice? :( and why were episodes merged??

[rabidrednek]

This was a hackjob of the worst kind. Is there some reason why they felt the need to messily splice the first two episodes together, emphasis on MESSILY? All the excess narration really spoiled the show.

I've got the first japanese episode clips they put up on the transformer fansite and this really was not the way to introduce this series. I agree with Obi, Vector Prime's intro music was far better than the synth crap they used, it was much more mysterious sounding.

And when I heard Megatron's voice I about turned the show off right then and there, I was relived to find out it was just a temporary voice they used, but they need to redub it right bloody quick. In fact, they need to throw out this whole splice thing and show the series the way it was MEANT to be run.

Oh, and bigddan11, the word is snooping, not snopping. Snopping is a term for an activity wholly inappropriate for a public forum :D

[Razor]

That wasn't too bad. I wish they had kept the two episodes unaltered, but they didn't do too terrible a job. As long as it's not something they plan on making a habit of.

The Cyber Planet Key dealio was completely different. In the original, all they had was four differently colored "orbs" flying around the screen. Here, we got the four keys in full (and gold-colored) form zooming around.

Looked better, I thought.

Not something I want to repeat, but I'll take it over "Hot Shot's blaster" a million times over.

[bigddan11]

Wow. What happened to Cody's voice?

Yuck, that full-color WB logo is damn ugly. And I forgot how stupid the weekday bumpers were.

Y'know, I didn't like the CG at first, but it's grown on me a lot.

I really like Lori's new look. :p Too bad she doesn't wear it more often.

Still don't like Prime's mouth. I thought the face was good as it was.

I gotta say, I love the G1 theme remix melody. Too bad the singers suck.

Also, props for giving Thundercracker a classic fighter jet look, instead of loading him with lots of kibble like Starscream.

Wow. David Kaye's temporary replacement really, really sucks.
I hate to correct you Duke, but the kids name is Koby, not Cody.

[ShadowGUN]

Wow. David Kaye's temporary replacement really, really sucks.
Got that right. Who was he anyway? He sounded familiar.

[Razor]

sounded like March Acheson, but I'm probably wrong.

[bigddan11]

sounded like March Acheson, but I'm probably wrong.
It was Mark Acheson or Colin Murdock. It sounded more like Murdock to me.

Now to the episode. It looked to me like the episode was merged solely so they could bring the kids in in episode 1. They probably figured more kids would watch the series if they had the kids arrive right away. Having not seen the original, I have no idea what was cut, but it was nice to finally see how the kids discovered the Transformers, and it was nice to see how Landmine finally got injured. (It looks like it was a combination from Starscream's attack and then being attacked from behind by Thundercracker.)

The flashback part by Optimus solely seemed out of place, but at least Hasbro didn't pull a Shinzo on us where they combined the first two episodes, but then showed episode 2 in it's entirety. Also, was it just me, or did Koby's VA sound like he was trying to imperssionate Matt Hill in this first episode. I'm glad he decided to come up with his own character voice, and I can see why they went back to Kaye after this episode. Hopefully sometime down the line they will release the episode in its entirety.

[Razor]

Now to the episode. It looked to me like the episode was merged solely so they could bring the kids in in episode 1. They probably figured more kids would watch the series if they had the kids arrive right away.


They're in the first episode, but not as much in episode 2. Most of what we see of them here is from episode 2.

[bigddan11]

They're in the first episode, but not as much in episode 2. Most of what we see of them here is from episode 2.That's why I say they wanted them to play a role in episode 1. I'm guessing that's why they merged them. Luckliy their role is cut back after the next few episodes, but they do show up in every episode I've seen.

For anybody who missed the episode, here's what happened (this is the recap I submitted at TV.com):

The episode begins with the Autobots evacuating Cybertron due to the black hole hitting their planet. The Autobots are transporting a few last minute supplies when Starscream shows up. Starscream attacks the Autobots, but Optimus drives out to the rescue. He quickly transforms and attacks, but then he realizes Starscream is a decoy and rolls for the base. Starscream targets Optimus, but Landmine jumps in the way. He is damaged and begins to float away, so Vector Prime comes out and opens a space bridge to Earth which Landmine drifts through.

On Earth Koby and Bud are racing dirt bikes with their dad. Lori comes out and begins to complain, so they invite her in on the festivities. The 3 kids begin hiking in the mountains when they see the space bridge open. They go to investigate the crash and discover Landmine. Koby repairs Landmine, and Landmine begins to tell them the tale of the Transformers.

He reveals that the black hole was created by the destruction of a giant transformer called Unicron. The black hole was now consuming many planets, and Cybertron was next so Optimus had sent Landmine to Earth to scan some vehicles. Jetfire brought back vehicle designs for all the Transformers, so they scanned them and began transporting to Earth when a space bridge openend up. Out came vector Prime. he revealed he was the keeper of space and time, and the only way to save Cybertron and the universe was to decipher his map and find the cyber planet keys. Optimus quickly agrees.

Back on Earth Thundercracker scans a jet and locates Landmine. He decides to attack Landmine from behind. Landmine protects the kids, and then Optimus flies in in his firetruck jet mode. Optimus quickly disposes of Thundercracker and informs the other Autobots that he has located Landmine. The others drive over and introduce themselves to the kids, and then Optimus decides to tell them the rest of the story.

It ended up that after saving Landmine Vector Prime was able to finish deciphering the planet map. Just then Megatron transported in and disposed of Scattershot. He tried to convience Vector Prime that the Autobots were evil, but Vector Prime wasn't fooled so Megatron stole the planet map instad. Optimus came in and went into super mode. He went head to head with Megatron, but Megatron was able to transport out after stealing the map, so the Decepticons have the map and the Autobots are on Earth. Vector prime then summons the Minicons. The Minicons scan vehicles and begin to do their daily tasks when Vector Prime notices Lori's shirt. It ends up that Lori's shirt contains the logo of the seal of Atlantis. Vector Prime realizes that the Omega Lock is on Earth, and he informs the Autobots that if they find the Omega Lock, they can also find another map, so the mission begins.

[New Noise]

The first episode was okay.

[Obi]

Really good so far. Especially since David Kaye is back. The kids' animation is also really great in this episode.

I love the music for the base launch. Too bad seeing them do it in nearly every episode gets pretty boring eventually, but the dub likes to throw in jokes to help pass the time. :p

Also, nice JLU reference (saying the Autobot base looks like the base from "League of Galactic Guardians".)

"Villain! Return my map!" "Hold, Megatron! You shall go NO FURTHER!" I love Vector Prime's semi-Old-English. Also, his crazy Hadoken thing is awesome.

"Well........I hope they're finished painting."

Scattorshot doesn't have much trust in Overhaul, does he? :p

[Rabi~en~Rose]

funny how all of Toonamis bumps for the series came from this episode which they didn't air :p I dont know whats harder to believe that they got the whole base done in a day or that no other humans saw or detected any of it or the battle :confused:

[Duke]

Also, nice JLU reference (saying the Autobot base looks like the base from "League of Galactic Guardians".)Weren't the Superfriends actually called the "Galactic Guardians" during one of their later incarnations?

[Hyper Shadow X]

Didin't really care for Megatron's voice yesterday but it's nice to finally see the first three eppy's

[Captin "Hank" Murphy]

Only 2 eps so far, and it already seems like the best series on current Kids WB roster. Mainly because that's not saying much. Compared to the lack-luster garbage, KidsWB is filled with now(with a few exceptions), Tf:Cybertron is like what Gargoyles was to ABC Kids, when the series started.

[rabidrednek]

Yay for megatron having his proper voice again. Did anyone else kinda freak out at the kid's blathering at the very start of the eipsode? I'm really glad they did not continue with this precap in later episodes, it really would have gotten old quick.

Alright, so tomorrow officially starts the reruns for everyone who watched the Toonami run. So it should maybe be about 2 weeks till new episodes start up?

[Obi]

Toonami stopped at Dub Episode 14, so new episodes should start on Kids WB on October 7th.

[Obi]

"WHOA! What was that?!"
"I just saw a KID in that sub!"
"You know what...maybe we just didn't see anything."
"What?"
"WE. DIDN'T. SEE. ANYTHING."

I love the traffic light TF. :anime:

"Oh yeah!? Well it's a lot better than a squaredance for cars in a parking lot!"
"Shows how much you know...they were BREAKDANCING."

[Craig Crumpton]

I'm gonna quote the whole first post, so look out.



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Premeires weekdays at 4:30 PM Eastern, 3:30 PM every where else.


The epic battle between the Autobots and Decpticons continues in the newest incarnation of Transformers. The destruction of Unicron has caused a black hole to form which is threatening to consume the entire galaxy. How can the Transformers stop it? What characters will be revealed? It all begins today on Kids WB! with Transformers Cybertron. Here's the synopsis' for this weeks episodes:



Episode 1- Fallen- World Premeire episode- September 19, 2005- When Cybertron is threatened by a colossal black hole, Optimus Prime gives the order to evacuate Cybertron, but a mysterious stranger shows up with a plan which could save the entire universe.



Episode 2- Haven- US Premeire episode- September 20, 2005- With the help of their human friends, the Autobots create a new base on Earth but will they be able to finish it before Megatron comes snooping around to find out why they're on Earth?



Episode 3- Hidden- Kids WB! premeire- September 21, 2005 (originally aired on Toonami July 2, 2005)- The Autobots learn which desguises can and can't be used on Earth, but they are forced to reveal themselves when the Decepticons attack the military forces.



Episode 4- Landmine- Kids WB! premeire- September 22, 2005 (originally aired on Toonami July 9, 2005)- The veteran Autobot Landmine tries to regain his strength after having been injured by Thundercracker earlier, but trouble arises when the Autobots find what maybe the Omega Lock. Can Landmine find the strength to assisit the Autobots, and what will happen when Hot Shot and Red Alert are deployed to Speed Planet to find the first cyber planet key?



Episode 5- Space- Kids WB! premeire- September 23, 2005 (originally aired on Toonami July 16, 2005)- Bud desperatley wants to go into space and tricks Scattershot into taking him up to see Earth. Trouble arises when oxygen runs out of their bubble though, and the Autobots get engaged in battle with the Decepticons. Else where on Speed Planet Megatron reveals himself to the planet leader, Override with one mission in mind- to claim the first cyber planet key. Will he succeed, and can the Autobots continue to hide now that Megatron has been revealed on the planet?



Please refrain from spoiling this series. There are some who are just now starting to watch Cybertron, so if you've seen the Japanesse version (Galaxy Force), or if you've seen Cybertron on CN, then be sure to post spoilers in their proper context, aka the [spoiler] box.Ye gods! There are more typos in this than a George W. Bush press conference. What's the source of these episode summaries? They misspelled "premiere" five times. And "assisit"? What the @#$% is that?

Oh, and this description just cracks me up:


The Autobots learn which desguises can and can't be used on EarthThis gives me a mental picture of robots wearing fedoras, overcoats, and those goofy plastic glasses w/ the fake moustache. (Oh, and "desguises" is a typo too.) This description makes it sound like the TFs actually wear "disguises". They ain't called "Transformers" for nothin', y'know.


Tf:Cybertron is like what Gargoyles was to ABC Kids, when the series started.What does that mean? Please tell me you're not putting a superb animated series like "Gargoyles" on the same level w/ "TF: Cybertron". Cybertron doesn't even come close -- it's barely any better than RID or Armada that preceeded it.

And since there haven't been any other negative comments on this series in this thread yet, I'll add that: the lip synch is horrible; the voice acting overall is poor; the dialog is trite, cheesy and predictable; and the humans still have too much of a central role in a series that has "TRANSFORMERS" in the title. I realize the producers feel it has to have a strong "kid element" in order to appeal to that age demographic, but the show is called "TRANSFORMERS" for crying out. That's why I hated Armada so much: the whole first episode hardly had any TFs in it -- it was more like they were making a cameo in their own show.

BTW, the theme song is awful too. I don't mean to offend those that like it, but from observing comments made by fans on a few other TF forums, the Cybertron theme is detested by most TF fans in general. But it actually wouldn't be too bad of a theme if they didn't try so hard to make it sound "hip-hop" like by screaming out "AUTOBOTS! DECEPTICONS!" in a pseudo-old skool style. It just screams "POSER!"

I actually like the CGI though -- the overall look is decent graphically, although the 2D and 3D elements could've been blended better. And the show genuinely looks like they animated a bunch of giant toys, which you'd think would be a good thing since the show's all about selling toys. My primary complaint w/ the original series was that the show's characters looked too drastically different from the toys. But the character movement is stiff and clunky, and even if it wasn't dubbed, I think the lip synch would still be off -- the lip movement animation is very poor. Or maybe I'm just spoiled on Mainframe's superior quality CG production.

Craig
-- still can't get over the fact that this thread is linked in the WBC forum.

[bigddan11]

I'm gonna quote the whole first post, so look out.

Ye gods! There are more typos in this than a George W. Bush press conference. What's the source of these episode summaries? They misspelled "premiere" five times. And "assisit"? What the @#$% is that?
There's no need to be insulting about typo's. If you see a mistake, you can kindly point it out and it can be corrected, plain and simple.


This gives me a mental picture of robots wearing fedoras, overcoats, and those goofy plastic glasses w/ the fake moustache. (Oh, and "desguises" is a typo too.) This description makes it sound like the TFs actually wear "disguises". They ain't called "Transformers" for nothin', y'know.
They are disguised yes, but if you watch this episode they clearly are figuring out which disguises can be used and where they can be used. For example, the stop light Transformer won't try to stay disguised in the desert now. The submarine transformer learns not to go above water. The race car transformers learn they need to remove the speed fins or whatever you want to call them, etc. If you can't control your mental images, then that's your own problem.


What does that mean? Please tell me you're not putting a superb animated series like "Gargoyles" on the same level w/ "TF: Cybertron". Cybertron doesn't even come close -- it's barely any better than RID or Armada that preceeded it.
The story line is much better than Energon's storyline and the animation is better than Armada's. There also aren't as many corny jokes thrown in as Robots In Disguise. Sure, it may not be Beast Wars, but it's still the best Transformers series since Beast Wars.


And since there haven't been any other negative comments on this series in this thread yet, I'll add that: the lip synch is horrible; the voice acting overall is poor; the dialog is trite, cheesy and predictable; and the humans still have too much of a central role in a series that has "TRANSFORMERS" in the title. I realize the producers feel it has to have a strong "kid element" in order to appeal to that age demographic, but the show is called "TRANSFORMERS" for crying out. That's why I hated Armada so much: the whole first episode hardly had any TFs in it -- it was more like they were making a cameo in their own show.

BTW, the theme song is awful too. I don't mean to offend those that like it, but from observing comments made by fans on a few other TF forums, the Cybertron theme is detested by most TF fans in general. But it actually wouldn't be too bad of a theme if they didn't try so hard to make it sound "hip-hop" like by screaming out "AUTOBOTS! DECEPTICONS!" in a pseudo-old skool style. It just screams "POSER!"

I actually like the CGI though -- the overall look is decent graphically, although the 2D and 3D elements could've been blended better. And the show genuinely looks like they animated a bunch of giant toys, which you'd think would be a good thing since the show's all about selling toys. My primary complaint w/ the original series was that the show's characters looked too drastically different from the toys. But the character movement is stiff and clunky, and even if it wasn't dubbed, I think the lip synch would still be off -- the lip movement animation is very poor. Or maybe I'm just spoiled on Mainframe's superior quality CG production.

Craig
-- still can't get over the fact that this thread is linked in the WBC forum.
The theme song isn't our doing. If you don't like it, then just don't watch the series. The VA's aren't as bad as Armada's, and frankly they can't control the script. They give it the best job possible for the script they get. The lip synchrinization is better than Armada's or Energon's, but Hasbro never has cared much about matching up the lip synchrinization, so that's their fault. You said it yourself, you've been spoiled from Mainframe. Of course Mainframe hasn't improved much in the last few years. There best work has always been Beast Wars and Reboot. Other companies actually try to incorporate the new technology. Mainframe would be better if they tried to do the same. Basically you haven't mentioned anything you do like other than the CG, so why do you watch the series?

I watch it because I'm a Transformer fan and the animation and is the best since Beast Machines. The storyline is the best since Beast Wars. I can't wait to see what twists and turns they throw into the script. Why don't you talk about what you do like instead of dissing everything?

[Obi]

-And so we're introduced to Ransack and Crumplezone, two of the best characters in the series.

-I wish they'd dub one of these Blurr's with, you know, Blurr's voice.

-Sure, Hot Shot can't transform in public, but a firetruck and a sportscar can be parked right in the middle of a stadium blinking lights at each other? :p

-I forgot how long it took for Landmine to scan his vehicle mode! I guess he's just been hiding in the base this whole time. Transforming probably would have hurt him anyway, since shifting all those gears has got to do some major strain on a TF who's already damaged.

-"So the Omega Lock is in Mexico?"
"I'm not sure, but I do love tacos."

-I love the music that plays while Vector Prime analyzed the data about Mexico.

-"Would you look at that? Everyon'e off to a party. I just looooove parties. Don't you Starscream?" <--- this is actually really funny if you take into account that Hasbro's official Transformers website says that Thundercracker once tried to throw a surprise party for Megatron and got a beat down for it.

-Why is the Mexican news in English?

[Duke]

Now, now, children, settle down.

Is that X-Files music when Starscream & Thundercracker arrive?

I find it funny that Optimus says they need to stay in disguise when he himself is a stylized fire truck with plasma cannons on top.

[Obi]

I find it funny that Optimus says they need to stay in disguise when he himself is a stylized fire truck with plasma cannons on top.
Well, you have to remember, the series takes place around 2030. So maybe firetrucks have made incredibly advanced leaps in technology since then. :p

[Duke]

Y'know, Cyber Tempest was a bit overkill for two missiles...

As I said earlier, I really like Thundercracker's streamlined, kibble-free design.

And no matter how many times I see it, I'm still freaked out that they're actually advertising Cartoon Network on Kids' WB! (true, it's just Foster's and not Toonami, but still)

[Obi]

-Thunder Hell >>>>> Thunder Cannon.

-I really wish they'd have Starscream say the name of his swords (Vortex Blades) for once.


-"What is it that I see? Is it fear in the great Optimus Prime's eyes?"


-I'm glad they kept the Galaxy Force soundtrack this time when Optimus went supermode. It's so much cooler than the Cybertron theme music.

-Kind of off topic, but I wonder whatever happened to the Star Saber/Energon Saber. I was just reminded of it by Vector Prime's sword, which is also supposed to be really powerful.

-Lots of talking and little actual fighting in this episode. :shrug:

-How on Earth did Vector Prime get by any security inside the building?! And why are the rooms big enough for a giant robot to comfortably fit in? It would have made more sense to send the Mini-Cons inside. Heck, how did he get in in the first place?


-I wish Landmine would use his Cyber Key Power more often, just because it's so different. It's not just "UPGRADED LASERS!" like practically everyone else.

-I really wish Landmine had had this much personality in Energon.

-“Fear not, our journey to the ruin was not entirely fruitless!” Even the least important things Vector Prime says sound awesome in that old fashioned speak.

-I really wish they’d just kept calling Speed Planet “Velocitron”. =(

-"Got it! Keepin' it on the down-low! The DL!"
"Oh be still my beating heart." Red Alert still thinks Hot Shot is an idiot after two series. :D

-Mwahaha, Hot Shot getting dusted is always hilarious.

[Craig Crumpton]

There's no need to be insulting about typo's. If you see a mistake, you can kindly point it out and it can be corrected, plain and simple.*sigh* Sarcasm is truly a lost art.

Sorry, I didn't realize you'd written up those episode summaries. I thought they'd just been copy/pasted here from another source. I certainly didn't mean to insult you personally. I was making a sarcastic comment about what appeared to be from an "official" source.

A word of advice -- before you post things like this in the future, copy/paste your work into an MS Word doc. It'll detect most misspellings automatically.


If you can't control your mental images, then that's your own problem.I think you're taking my comments just a wee bit too personally. Again, I didn't know you'd written those episode summaries. I was making a joke. My apologies that I appear to have made it at your expense. I realize that the original theme song includes the phrase "Robots In Disguise", but that bit has always amused me. I honestly think the songwriter was just trying to create a catchy rhyme for the show's tagline: "More than meets they eye".

Did you ever read any of the original TF Marvel comics? In issue #62, they did an homage/spoof of film noir/pulp fiction/detective novels with several references to the noir classic film, "The Maltese Falcon." The cover art features--quite literally--robots in disguise:

http://tfarchive.com/comics/guide/index.php?s=us_61_70

That's the mental image I got from your description. I won't make any apology for that, but there's no reason to take my joke seriously. It's just the way my sense of humor twists.


Sure, it may not be Beast Wars, but it's still the best Transformers series since Beast Wars.In your opinion, that is. I seriously don't think you'll find that other TF fans largely share your opinion -- especially vintage TF fans... or even diehard fans of BW, for that matter.


The theme song isn't our doing. If you don't like it, then just don't watch the series.I can't reply to this kind of statement without it being taken negatively, so... no comment.


Basically you haven't mentioned anything you do like other than the CG, so why do you watch the series?For the same reason that most other vintage TF fans tuned in: curiosity. It was something new and it was Transformers. What more reason do you need?


I watch it because I'm a Transformer fan and the animation and is the best since Beast Machines.Again, in your opinion. Someday, between 10 and 20 years from now, you'll look back--as I do now on my beloved yet very flawed original TF series--and wonder why you said that.


Why don't you talk about what you do like instead of dissing everything?I already pointed out what I felt were the show's positive qualities, but they just didn't give me much to work with. Why don't you check around the web and see how many other TF fans have reviewed Cybertron negatively?

If people enjoy watching the show, more power to them. Sorry, but I didn't care much for it. Then again, I didn't like BW at first either, but that was the hardcore TF fan in me resisting changes to continuity and popular named characters and voices. But once they brought in the G1 storyline, I was hooked.

As long as Cybertron gets decent enough ratings to keep Hasbro producing new TF toys, I'm a happy campbot. But with it already getting bumped from Toonami's lineup, I just don't forsee a very bright future for this particular series.

[Razor]

Again, in your opinion. Someday, between 10 and 20 years from now, you'll look back--as I do now on my beloved yet very flawed original TF series--and wonder why you said that.




No offense, but that is INCREDIBLY arrogant of you to say something like that.



Why don't you check around the web and see how many other TF fans have reviewed Cybertron negatively?

What's your point? I've seen a lot of people who have reacted to it positively.

Not that the Transformers fandom is known for being a reasonable bunch of people.

[Duke]

Dude, people, CALM DOWN AND DROP IT. I'd prefer not to issue any moderator justice on the very first talkback.

[Leonardo2]

I love the show a lot but I don't watch it everday! :( I still miss the classic Transformers.

[Conekiller]

just a reminder: this friday starts new episodes for the people who followed it via Toonami.

[bigddan11]

just a reminder: this friday starts new episodes for the people who followed it via Toonami.
I plan on creating the talkback thread for Friday's new episode tommorow, but it maybe Friday morning. All of next week is new episodes as well.

[Captin "Hank" Murphy]

What does that mean? Please tell me you're not putting a superb animated series like "Gargoyles" on the same level w/ "TF: Cybertron". Cybertron doesn't even come close -- it's barely any better than RID or Armada that preceeded it. I didn't mean TF:Cy is as good as Gargoyles, I ment it's one of the few current shows that saves the kids block from generic blandness.


and the humans still have too much of a central role in a series that has "TRANSFORMERS" in the title. I realize the producers feel it has to have a strong "kid element" in order to appeal to that age demographic, but the show is called "TRANSFORMERS" for crying out. That's why I hated Armada so much: the whole first episode hardly had any TFs in it -- it was more like they were making a cameo in their own show.Cybertron is not as human-focused as RID, Armada, and Energon was. In this series, they're more like comic relife moments or when necesarry, momentary plot movers. This is definetly about the transformers, and the humans played as much or less of a role as Spike did in G1.

Also, since your a G1 buff Craig Crumpton, here's a little Tf:Cy spoiler I think you will like.
http://www.seibertron.com/news/view.php?id=5520