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I-Am That Is
09-18-2005, 12:52 AM
Anybody know why they're having teaser clips in the opening titles again?

Bizarro Batman
09-18-2005, 12:56 AM
I think it's just a new set of opening clips they'll use for the whole season.

I-Am That Is
09-18-2005, 11:55 AM
I think it's just a new set of opening clips they'll use for the whole season.No, they definetly used different clips from each episode.

Silverbolt
09-18-2005, 12:02 PM
I thought that the clips were the same for the two episodes and that it was just a new opening for JLU season 3.

The Penguin
09-18-2005, 12:13 PM
Anybody know why they're having teaser clips in the opening titles again?Because the credits felt like they were missing something cool and different without them?

Cobalt Blue
09-18-2005, 12:25 PM
The credits are using both clips from the earlier seasons and a few new clips from the episode. I always liked the little spoilers, so no biggy for me.

creepers keeper
09-18-2005, 03:07 PM
im confused, is the watchtower back cuz its in both of the clips but it seems like they have a metropolis headquarters.

Reverend
09-18-2005, 04:54 PM
Actually it looks like they have more than one Earth-bound facility.
In "I Am Legion" it looks like the JL-Embassy is in central Metropolis, while the one in "Shadow of the Hawk" seams to be on a small island with a bridge going across it. Indeed I think Bruce even refers to the latter as the "Metro Tower".

Consider also that at least according to Grodd, J'onn is still in charge of co-ordinating the League and notice that he didn't appear to be in either of the ground based towers, so it stands to reason that the Watchtower is still up there, sans the BFG of course.

It would seam that the League has de-centralised itself, which is a wise move when you think about it, make them more difficult to attack in force as they were in "Divided We Fall".

Jor-El
09-18-2005, 05:21 PM
Consider also that at least according to Grodd, J'onn is still in charge of co-ordinating the League and notice that he didn't appear to be in either of the ground based towers, so it stands to reason that the Watchtower is still up there, sans the BFG of course.I really don't think that stands to reason at all, with all due respect. Just because J'Onn is still co-ordinating the League and he didn't show up in these two episodes, I don't think that that means that he's in space in the Watchtower.

I don't like the spoilers in the beginning either. I wouldn't be opposed to clips from episodes that have already aired, and I would really like them to alternate the clips they use in the locations where they want to use them, but there's no point in showing us clips of what we're about to see. As I argued a long time ago, half of the fun of this show is seeing WHO is going to appear. Knowing that Dr. Polaris was going to be in the episode just by watching the introduction killed that for me.

Temple Fugate
09-18-2005, 06:03 PM
I was expecting to see new clips of superheroes in a standard opening that would play for the whole season. I wouldn't have cared if we saw clips of Fire or Star Girl or others from this new season before their episodes aired. So long as I don't know if the episode I'm about to watch has them in it for sure. I definitely didn't like how they showed villains in the credits instead of superheroes. I see the opening as a "gallery" of the heroes. The only way I'd be satisfied with villains being in the opening is if they animated a sequence where the Legion rushes the League and vice versa, a-la the old Challenge of the Superfriends title card, or the X-Men (1990s) opening.

And as I mentioned in the "I Am Legion" Talkback, the Question's picture is quite unsettling.

Terminatah
09-18-2005, 07:10 PM
Jor-El is right. Seeing those little clips spoil certain elements that some fans would rather see within the context of the episode they are about to watch. Why don't they have a cool stylized theme song with no clips? BTAS and BB both achieved this magnificently. STAS attempted it, but they ran out of time and were forced to insert clips, and I think the theme sequence suffers for it. Granted, the original JL theme did just what I am suggesting and it was kind of a mess, but I think we can attribute that to the rudimentary CGI. Just animate something stylized and cool and that would be great. Thanks.

-Terminatah

Bleu Unicorn
09-19-2005, 01:03 PM
Jor-El is right. Seeing those little clips spoil certain elements that some fans would rather see within the context of the episode they are about to watch. Why don't they have a cool stylized theme song with no clips? BTAS and BB both achieved this magnificently. STAS attempted it, but they ran out of time and were forced to insert clips, and I think the theme sequence suffers for it. Granted, the original JL theme did just what I am suggesting and it was kind of a mess, but I think we can attribute that to the rudimentary CGI. Just animate something stylized and cool and that would be great. Thanks.

-Terminatah
Please don't take this the wrong way, hon, but really I can't believe it's the third season and this stupid debate is still hanging around. :)

The way I see it arguing this point is like saying there shouldn't be comics because the series is based off them and thus you know what's going to happen. Honestly, if the clips that flash by with barely time to process them spoil you that much...you could just not watch them.

If there's anyone on these boards who is spoiler-phobic, that would be me. I'm sure Bird Boy will defend this statement - I'm constantly trying to get him to shut up about the most soft spoilers imaginable. And yet I have no problem with the credits...I'm really just confounded by this whole arguement.

Reverend
09-19-2005, 02:49 PM
I really don't think that stands to reason at all, with all due respect. Just because J'Onn is still co-ordinating the League and he didn't show up in these two episodes, I don't think that that means that he's in space in the Watchtower.
Well ok, it's not exactly conclusive, but it does point in in that direction, especially since we have no reason to think that they took down the Watchtower. If you recall "Divided We Fall" Supes retracted his statement about disbanding the League, one would think that this retraction extends to his intention to take down the tower.

Terminatah
09-19-2005, 10:38 PM
Please don't take this the wrong way, hon, but really I can't believe it's the third season and this stupid debate is still hanging around. :)

The way I see it arguing this point is like saying there shouldn't be comics because the series is based off them and thus you know what's going to happen. Honestly, if the clips that flash by with barely time to process them spoil you that much...you could just not watch them.

If there's anyone on these boards who is spoiler-phobic, that would be me. I'm sure Bird Boy will defend this statement - I'm constantly trying to get him to shut up about the most soft spoilers imaginable. And yet I have no problem with the credits...I'm really just confounded by this whole arguement.You can't believe it's the third season and this stupid debate is still hanging around? That's a very misguided way of putting it, considering they just started re-doing the spoilery clips last Saturday.

It is pointless for you to debate the severity of these spoilers, because there will always be varying levels of tolerance from all the different fans. I will cite the example of the opening theme to "For The Man Who Has Everything." They show Mongul in the theme song clips, which takes away the surprise of his first ever repeat appearance. This is very similar to Jor-El's complaint. There are just some people who enjoy not having prior knowledge of ANY visual or plot elements of the episode. Then there's other people who are not bothered whatsoever by things like that. My point is that it's a problem for at least some of the viewers.

-Terminatah

Bleu Unicorn
09-19-2005, 10:48 PM
You can't believe it's the third season and this stupid debate is still hanging around? That's a very misguided way of putting it, considering they just started re-doing the spoilery clips last Saturday.

It is pointless for you to debate the severity of these spoilers, because there will always be varying levels of tolerance from all the different fans. I will cite the example of the opening theme to "For The Man Who Has Everything." They show Mongul in the theme song clips, which takes away the surprise of his first ever repeat appearance. This is very similar to Jor-El's complaint. There are just some people who enjoy not having prior knowledge of ANY visual or plot elements of the episode. Then there's other people who are not bothered whatsoever by things like that. My point is that it's a problem for at least some of the viewers.

-Terminatah
*sigh* My arguement isn't that the clips aren't spoilery so much as this is a pointless arguement.

If you find the teaser clips so damn hard to endure for fear of spoiling yourself, as I said before, you can choose not to watch them. Just like you can choose not to go in the rumor thread or read a talkback of an episode you have not seen.

I've said my peace.

Terminatah
09-19-2005, 11:24 PM
*sigh* My arguement isn't that the clips aren't spoilery so much as this is a pointless arguement.

If you find the teaser clips so damn hard to endure for fear of spoiling yourself, as I said before, you can choose not to watch them. Just like you can choose not to go in the rumor thread or read a talkback of an episode you have not seen.

I've said my peace.I don't watch the theme song. For the whole half-season they had the clips going, I used to avert my eyes. When they settled on a non-spoilery set of clips, I was able to watch again. Then they brought em back without warning. Which is not as easy to avoid as a rumor thread or talkback. ;)

But as I said in my original post, why don't they do a cool stylized theme like BTAS and BB (and part of STAS)? BTAS and BB have some of the best theme sequences ever.

-Terminatah

The Penguin
09-19-2005, 11:40 PM
The thing I noticed about the clips with "Shadow of the Hawk" was there was so little information in the clips that it was much less spoilerish than the ones we have seen in the past. I thought it just built the anticipation rather than wreck the episode.

Harley_Quinn
09-20-2005, 01:49 PM
I noticed they had some new clips but it never really bothered me as long as they didn't show anything mind blowing, heck I love the clips at the end