Bleach 195. Current manga discussion. *MAJOR SPOILERS!* [Archive]

KuwabaraTheMan

09-15-2005, 06:47 PM

My only concern is that Orihime and Chad already got the raw end of the deal during "Conquistadores", and I hope they aren't going to be further neglected now. We need a healthy mix of the SS Crew, and Orihime/Chad/Tatsuki/Ishida.

It'd be funny if Yachiru went to Yuzu and Karin's school, or if some of the other SS characters became teachers.

Byakuya teaching a government class: So essentially, everything the government says is always correct, and you should never question them or any of your superiors ever.
Random student: But what if--
Byakuya: Scatter, Senbonzakura.

Kenpachi teaching a gym class would also be hilarious.

FlyByNite77

09-15-2005, 11:01 PM

Hmm bleach captains as teachers? haha.

Unohana would definitely be the nurse.

Maybe put Kyouraku as an art teacher or poetry or something.
Nanao should totally be the librarian ;)

KuwabaraTheMan

09-15-2005, 11:11 PM

But what happens when Kyouraku comes to see Lovely Lovely Nanao-chan.

Ukitake would need to get a substitue all the time.

Mayuri could be the new science teacher.

"Today, we're going to practice dissecting Quincies. Ishida, would you like to go first?"

FlyByNite77

09-15-2005, 11:44 PM

"Today, we're going to practice dissecting Quincies. Ishida, would you like to go first?":D lol

Ishida and Orihime better stay out of that class

KuwabaraTheMan

09-15-2005, 11:47 PM

Its a shame Nemu didn't come to earth. Then Ishida would have a good reason for breaking his vow of not associating with Shinigami, if you catch my drift.;)

FlyByNite77

09-15-2005, 11:55 PM

http://img310.imageshack.us/img310/6572/m7bleachch19304053nv.jpg
Speaking of Nemu...Why is she so tiny and all the way in the back? :crying:

*EDIT* just linked to it, pic is so big it threw off the width of the posts ;)

Conan-san

09-16-2005, 03:05 AM

Why are there people in here who don't even have a clue on what's going on in the manga now? Not healthy. It happens when a manga's focus gets thrown out the window in favour of one ridiciliously long arc of fighting.

Soul Socity was bad arc in a good manga.

FlyByNite77

09-16-2005, 06:28 AM

It happens when a manga's focus gets thrown out the window in favour of one ridiciliously long arc of fighting.

Soul Socity was bad arc in a good manga.It was an arc which started in what the mid to late chapter 60's and didn't end until over 100 chapters later.

That's over 100 chapters for less than two weeks or chronological time in the actual story. That's gotta be some kind of record ;)

Conan-san

09-16-2005, 06:35 AM

It was an arc which started in what the mid to late chapter 60's and didn't end until over 100 chapters later.

That's over 100 chapters for less than two weeks or chronological time in the actual story. That's gotta be some kind of record ;) And people wonder why I hate it so much.

BadCrawford

09-16-2005, 09:23 AM

Anything that brings more focus to the highscool/students and more comedy is welcome in my book.

But I would of preferd seeing other vice captains who have had little to no focus outside of omakes like Hisagi, Nemu or even Isane, rather then those two from the 11th division. Especially Yumichika who's fighting skills leave alot to be desired. Unless his shikai's (surprise?) attack works on the Allankar like it did Hisagi, he doesn't stand a chance.

I guess he'll be fighting Yumi.

Youko Recca

09-16-2005, 09:24 AM

It happens when a manga's focus gets thrown out the window in favour of one ridiciliously long arc of fighting.

Soul Socity was bad arc in a good manga.
I like how you took a completely different point...and did--that. Again.

Funkatron

09-16-2005, 09:47 AM

I like how you took a completely different point...and did--that. Again.
And yet he still watches and reads :p

Nobody You Know

09-16-2005, 09:59 AM

And people wonder why I hate it so much. I don't. I stopped watching back when I realized that Soul Society wasn't going to end any time soon.

But I realize that others aren't likely to see it my way, and therefore only voice my opinions rarely. (Because I'm tired of people using bad logic to discet them, mainly...)

That said?

Rukia + Alive + Back = Good

Soul Society + Here ~= Bad

And that's about all I have to say on the matter.

Conan-san

09-16-2005, 01:31 PM

And yet he still watches and reads :p Nope, stoped watching Bleach around 42 and only started reading again once Ichigo's arse was out of Dragonball Land.

Youko Recca

09-16-2005, 01:36 PM

Oh, so now you have even less validation. Okay.

Conan-san

09-16-2005, 01:40 PM

Oh, so now you have even less validation. Okay. A believe my point is valad, I got bored to hell with Dragonball Socity arc, I stoped watching, therefore I'm not 100% on what happened in Dragonball Socity.

Look, just because I happened to find Dragonball Soceity the worlds best way of puting someone to sleap ain't going to set you alight, live with it.

Youko Recca

09-16-2005, 02:01 PM

Not sure why you contradicted yourself.

And....I would, if you would stop shoving the crap constantly. I have no problem with not liking something, that's cool. Just, don't keep copy and pasting the exact same sentence over and over again . You start sounding like the narrator in a bad soap opera. Have to put vasaline on everytime you look in the mirror...

Conan-san

09-16-2005, 02:08 PM

Not sure why you contradicted yourself. Oh, go play catch with a 45 bus.

Youko Recca

09-16-2005, 02:10 PM

lol, you mad?

O-chan

09-16-2005, 02:34 PM

A believe my point is valad, I got bored to hell with Dragonball Socity arc, I stoped watching, therefore I'm not 100% on what happened in Dragonball Socity.

Look, just because I happened to find Dragonball Soceity the worlds best way of puting someone to sleap ain't going to set you alight, live with it.
Well when I was getting into Bleach and heard about the loooooooong "Soul Society" arc I was a bit worried. I'm still watching Bleach but understand where you're coming from. In fact, I'm actually relieved to disocver recently that the manga did end the arc because I was really beginning to wonder how long Rukia was going to play "damsel-in-distress". I mean she was such a pivotal character in the first half of the series and to reduce her to a character who just stares out a window, looking sad and waiting for death is just...wrong.

But the thing is arcs like "Soul Society" is a shonen formula thing. So some people will like it and some will thinks it's just plodding out an already long series. Here are some other examples of "shonen/tournament" formula coming into play.

Dragonball/Z/GT-self explanitory
Yu Yu Hakusho- Dark Tournament (it took two boxset to cover the arc)
Rurouni Kenshin- Kyoto arc (but done well and paces nicely)
Naruto- Chuunin Exam arc
Yu-gi-oh- Duelist Kingdom/Battle City
Hunter X Hunter- Hasn't even been 1 volume and there already in a mulit-volume tournament arc.

So...I think you're getting the picture.

O-chan

anime_guru

09-16-2005, 04:47 PM

In fact, I'm actually relieved to disocver recently that the manga did end the arc because I was really beginning to wonder how long Rukia was going to play "damsel-in-distress". I mean she was such a pivotal character in the first half of the series and to reduce her to a character who just stares out a window, looking sad and waiting for death is just...wrong.
that I agree with...heck I figured after the SS arc, the series would end quite nicely. I honestly don't know what else bleach can do. I say end it now...

FlyByNite77

09-16-2005, 05:05 PM

I hope Rukia comes back and actually CAN DO SOMETHING now.

All she's ever done is thrown some less than effective demon-magic at Hollows since Ichigo took her powers.

I think somewhere in the Soul Society arc it's explained that the Hollow/Shinigami hybrid thing or whatever that was planted inside Rukia by Urahara before he left somehow kept her powers from fully returning after Ichigo reacted with it right?

KuwabaraTheMan

09-16-2005, 05:17 PM

Yeah, but even before she lost her powers she wasn't exactly stellar. She was struggling with that Hollow before she gave her powers to Ichigo.

Conan-san

09-16-2005, 05:28 PM

that I agree with...heck I figured after the SS arc, the series would end quite nicely. I honestly don't know what else bleach can do. I say end it now... No, let Grand Fisher get sent to Hell then finish it.

FlyByNite77

09-16-2005, 05:45 PM

Yeah, but even before she lost her powers she wasn't exactly stellar. She was struggling with that Hollow before she gave her powers to Ichigo.True... When we see the school flashback we see she was placed in class B while Hinamori, Kira, and Renji went to the higher Class A.

I just want to see her be competent though.

KuwabaraTheMan

09-16-2005, 05:52 PM

No, let Grand Fisher get sent to Hell then finish it.
Uh, Grand Fisher was taken care of like 10 chapters ago...

Dr Crocodile

09-16-2005, 07:45 PM

I had no problem with the SS arc. It wasn't pure fighting. We got to learn SO MUCH about so many characters and came to care for them. Sure SS was filled with fighting but it was also filled with TONS of character development as well as some great plot twists. If you don't like it Conan that's ok but

A) You don't need to be a broken record about it
B) I don't know how you're even going to be able to get back into the stroy, you missed ALOT.

KuwabaraTheMan

09-22-2005, 08:43 PM

196 is out.

Good chapter. Rukia helps Ichigo get over his issues, and we get some nice resolve their.

The student's reactions to the SS group, and Ikkaku getting pissed off were great as well. I guess the others still don't remember Rukia. I wonder if Tatsuki does now, thanks to her new heightened abilities.

artemis_winter

09-25-2005, 06:08 PM

Hi, kids!

My take on chapter 195:

-Rukia's back, and brought her puppy (Renji).
-I love seeing the 10th and 11th division dorks up there, personally, just for the heck of it.
-Ichi/Ori momentssss!

Yeeep. *watches the IchiRuki fangirls attack her* Mm-hm, right then.

FlyByNite77

09-30-2005, 05:45 PM

197 is out. As expected Asano is totally in love with Masumoto ;) Or at least the way her cleavage shows in the school uniform... :p Kon as well... hah

and the group Aizen has now joined the Allankar
The Menos's ARE THE WEAKEST in their group...Jesus. They're the foot soldiers. Next up is Ajuukaru who are smaller then the Menos(who are being called Gilian's in the rank structure of Allankar) the Ajuukaru are stronger though. The top tier is Vastoorode who are in low number... Hitsugaya is explaining all this to Ichigo so he says If Aizen even managed to augment 10 of the Vastoorode it would mean disaster for Soul Society.

So of course the chapter ends with Ulquiorra and Yamii, those two who fought with Ichigo and injured Chad & Orihime. They're meeting with Aizen who looks very different, it may just be the quality of the scan, but its like he has a a bony spine rising up to the back of his hair. Unless it's a sword or he himself has merged/brought out hollow abilities. I dunno.

So Aizen welcomes them back and tells them to meet TWENTY of his friends so apparently there's now twice as many Vastoorode as the number Hitsugaya estimated could destroy Soul Society...

KuwabaraTheMan

09-30-2005, 05:49 PM

Yeah, a lot of really shocking developments. The Menos being foot soldiers was a huge wtf moment. Of course, Hitsugaya did say that Captains can easily deal with them.

If those really are 20 Vastoorode's, then some serious **** is about to happen.

Aizen's new look really pulls the part of evil villain well, he looks so different then he did way back during "End of Hypnosis". Its weird seeing him without glasses, though.

If there's 20 Vastoordoe, I wonder how many Gillians and Ajuukaru there are. Those could still be a problem.

But there is a lot of stuff going on here.

KuwabaraTheMan

10-06-2005, 04:43 PM

FlyByNite77

10-06-2005, 08:29 PM

Well, another good chapter for Bleach. Matsumoto trying to strip to get Ichigo to let her stay in his room was pretty good, and Renji going to meet up with Urahara should be quite interesting.

And now it appears that Keigo can see Hollows as well. I though Kubo would deal with Tatsuki and Karin's developments before giving letting someone else know about Hollows and presumably Shinigami as well. Still is interesting though, but not surprising, given that he is a friend of Ichigo.i liked Kon's imagination of Matsumoto and Inoue... ;)

I don't get the whole Asano seeing Hollows thing, so many of the classmates already are like that and like you said I would have understood if it was Tatsuki or Karin. Although Bleach is long overdue for a significant death.

KuwabaraTheMan

10-16-2005, 10:13 PM

Kubo's really amped up the fanservice recently, Matsumoto was naked half the chapter. Her and Orihime's stuff was good, and as a dedicated Ichigo and Orihime shipper, I have to hope we get some more stuff with that. Grimmjow happens to have 5 other Allankar with him as well, so that should give us battles for quite a few characters(Ichigo, Renji, Hitsugaya, Matsumoto, Ikkaku, and Yumichika most likely).

Mr. Toto

10-16-2005, 10:18 PM

The new Arrancar seem pretty cool, which is good. I hope Keigo and Tatsuki unlock some spirit power, along with Chad's getting an upgrade. Chad hasn't won a battle yet, has he?

Those two hollows that torture Grand Fisher at the end of his segment early on...One definitely looks like Dei Roy. The other one might be Grimmjow with just an extended mask, but I can't be sure.

silverwings

10-16-2005, 10:28 PM

Dear god, the fanservice... :eek: I can't blame Hitsugaya for staying on the roof. Sheesh.

Why is Inoue still held up on Ichigo. She should know that Ishida has the hots for her. :p

And now, bring the fighting!

KuwabaraTheMan

10-16-2005, 10:37 PM

Chad hasn't won a battle yet, has he?
He beat his first enemy, as well as easily beating the 8th Squad's Third Seat, and beat up a lot of lower Shinigami as well. He hasn't beat anyone Vice-Captain level or above, though neither has Orihime.

I really hope those two get some additional training from Yoruichi, and get to fight some Allankar eventually.

FlyByNite77

10-16-2005, 11:03 PM

Dear god, the fanservice... :eek: I can't blame Hitsugaya for staying on the roof. Sheesh.

Why is Inoue still held up on Ichigo. She should know that Ishida has the hots for her. :p Because Rukia is easier to compete against than Nemu-chan ;)

The fanservice in this chapter made me happy... :anime: I can't wait to see some fights take place, but the thing that still puzzles me is how Asano is gonna survive if he's attacked. He may see the hollows, but does he actually have abilities? I guess he'd need to be saved by someone. Or there will be a somewhat significant death in Bleach. It's not one of the main characters, but its someone who was there from the beginning and is a classmate friend of Ichigo's and would affect him. Especially if he finds out the reason he got killed was because of Ichigo leaking his spiritual power out and activating Asano's.

KuwabaraTheMan

10-16-2005, 11:07 PM

I highly doubt Asano will die, Kubo has been completely unwilling to kill anyone short of Hollows and those three 12th Squad guys Mayuri blew up. Look at Renji and Hinamori, for example.

He'll probably find out what's up, and then him and Tatsuki(and maybe Mizuiro) will recieve some sort of training for the big war with the Allankar.

GWOtaku

10-17-2005, 12:02 AM

Yeah, nice conversation with Inoue and Matsumoto. Other then that quite a setup chapter; with the Allankar targeting just about everybody some serious business is about to go down. Looks like battle is in store for Ichigo again already. Although I particuarly look forward to seeing Renji and Hitsugaya in action. ;)

FlyByNite77

10-29-2005, 05:09 PM

Dr Crocodile

10-29-2005, 06:32 PM

Chapter 201... Wow, Rukia is kicking ass!

We see her sword's shinkai form and she's going up against an allankar by herself after telling Ichigo that she wanted to fight it.

One of the things I had said when the Soul Society arc ended and this current one began I was hoping we'd get Rukia back and she'd actually be useful and do stuff and daaaaamn. Maybe her powers are stronger now then they ever were even before Ichigo stole them. That thing Urahara hid inside of her that Aizen then stole, perhaps it had muted her powers all along and made her weaker then she should have been. Which is why she was in Class B and not Class A with the stronger Shinigami Students like Renji, Kira, and Hinamori.

Urahara didn't implant that thing into her until after she came to the human world and started living with Ichigo. So she was and still is weaker than Renji and the like. It's only that we never got to see what she was capable of and assumed she was just weak sauce. Plus while she may have been unseated during the flashbacks, there's no indication that she didn't move up ranks between then and when she fist met Ichigo. Plus she could have gotten in some training while her powers recouped in between the time Ichigo and co. left SS and when she re-appeared. (how much time in the manga did pass between those events? A few days or a few weeks?) Anyway it's good to see Rukia kick ass though I wish she wasn't given an ice-type sword but rather a (so far) unique element like electricity, earth, wind or whatever.

KuwabaraTheMan

11-19-2005, 04:36 PM

silverwings

11-19-2005, 05:04 PM

Time for a bump.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y3/kazumakuwabara/Page22.jpg

My boy Ikkaku is ready to kick some ass, let's see what he has for a Bankai.

Oh, and Rukia gets stabbed too, so its like 2 for the price of 1.
You know it's this final panel that makes me think the chapter's translated title "bloody monster" isn't refering to Ikkaku's opponent. ;)

GWOtaku

11-19-2005, 06:20 PM

FlyByNite77

11-19-2005, 06:44 PM

With Rukia under attack it looks like Ichigo will probably be forced to fight and go all out against Grimmjow. Hopefully he can put up a good fight without arousing his hollow side. However the main attraction right now is definitely Ikkaku, who 's taking names and looks prepared to lay on some smackdown with Bankai.

The 11th division is definitely exceptional. I suspect that, given that Ikkaku's the second strongest man in the division, he's always been capable of Bankai but never had an occasion to use it in the Soul Society arc since he never encountered an opponent that required it. Just like how Zaraki wouldn't take off his eyepatch until he found an opponent that truly pushed his limits, Ikkaku sparingly uses Bankai so he can fight on relatively even terms with his opponents so he can maxmimize the enjoyment of the battle like was being talked about in the last chapter.

Makes you wonder about Yachiru's relative strength....Yeah, it may also be that since their Captain, Zaraki, who they all seem to idolize couldn't do a bankai and always just relied on his sheer raw power to win battles that everyone in the division who's in that upper cluster tries to do the same thing. It's definitely possible Ikkaku knew bankai when he faced Ichigo and wouldn't use it for that reason and the reason he's now using it is because Ichigo beat him in a battle of power and now Ichigo has a bankai so now that his 'rival' has it, it makes sense to him to use his.

Or he somehow learned it after the soul society arc. Him and Ichigo were sparring before Ichigo left so it could be that he got the information from Ichigo/Youichiro and went through the same process Ichigo did.

and yea I think the title refers to Ikkaku cuz he looks like a demon in that last panel.

Dr Crocodile

11-19-2005, 10:25 PM

If Ikkaku had Bankai when he fought Ichigo, he probably would have used it. I'm sure that now that Renji got Bankai and knows about the accelerated method to acheive it, he let the other in on it. While others may disagree, I think this is a good development. This way it won't be just the "Ichigo show/manga" but everyody will be helpful and useful in some manner.

KuwabaraTheMan

11-19-2005, 10:29 PM

He couldn't have, could he? They fought before Wartime Regulations were issued. Although he probably did get if afterwards.

I doubt its the three day method at work, only Yoruichi/Urahara can administer that. Besides, it only gets rid of the 10 years you need to achieve materialization. Renji already had materialization, and I'm pretty sure Ikkaku has been around as long or longer then him, so he probably already had it, but hadn't beaten Houzukimaru into submission yet.

That's my best guess, at least.

KuwabaraTheMan

11-25-2005, 12:47 PM

205 is out.

Ikkaku's bankai is really cool, and fits him quite well. Glad to see the guy kicking a lot of ass. I guess not much more to say, except that Ryumon Houzukimaru is freaking awesome.

Youko Recca

11-25-2005, 12:59 PM

Yes. It is really, unsurprisingly, huge. I wonder how his back feels.

BadCrawford

11-26-2005, 04:32 PM

Ugliest Bankai ever.

FlyByNite77

11-26-2005, 05:39 PM

Ugliest Bankai ever.Considering Ikkaku is probably the ugliest guy in the manga I guess it fits? ;)

KuwabaraTheMan

12-08-2005, 12:09 PM

Holy freaking crap. Ururu kicks Ilforte's ass in every way possible while Renji was getting his ass handed to him.

Who knew?

Of course, Ilforte's release kind of closed the door on that. Poor Ururu.:crying:

I'd put the chances of her being dead at less then 0, though. No one dies in Bleach(except those 3 guys Mayuri blew up, but who cares about them?).

Still Ururu kicking ass was quite unexpected. I thought Urahara or Yoruichi might get involved, but Ururu>Renji w/Bankai was probably the last thing I expected.

GWOtaku

12-08-2005, 12:18 PM

Still Ururu kicking ass was quite unexpected. I thought Urahara or Yoruichi might get involved, but Ururu>Renji w/Bankai was probably the last thing I expected.
I'll say. What the hell? That was completely out of nowhere.

Youko Recca

12-08-2005, 01:26 PM

Renji is going to really need to redeem himself in these next chapters.

silverwings

12-08-2005, 05:20 PM

Renji is going to really need to redeem himself in these next chapters.
Tell me about it - he was upstaged by a 5 yr old. :p

I'm trying to figure out who's the "Rock Lee" of the series - Renji or Hitsugaya. Both fan favorites who have never won a match. Heh.

FlyByNite77

12-08-2005, 08:30 PM

Wow @ 207. Ururu... Man that was awesome and creepy at the same time. hahaha Poor Renji... Couldn't that have been to done to Yumichika or something?

I feel really bad for Renji... lol

Algernon

12-08-2005, 11:02 PM

207 was pretty good. My feeling right now is that Ururu aint dead. She's probably a superior clone to what Nemu is. And since Urahara is Mayuri's predecessor I'd expect Urahara could create some badass clones.

KuwabaraTheMan

12-16-2005, 03:56 PM

silverwings

12-16-2005, 03:59 PM

I'm surprised that Ilforte is only Number 15, that puts him below Edorado. I think Hitsugaya is going to beat Shawlong though. He talks about how Hitsugaya's dissapearing petals are probably a countdown to when it dissolves, but more likely its a countdown to when Daiguren Hyourinmaru's true power is released, just like with the crimson dragon on Ryuumon Houzukimaru.

The other two aren't doing so well though, Renji's going to need some help.That's what I think as well. Hitsugaya didn't look to disturbed that the petals were leaving. :anime: I think his VC might be getting the call that says the barrier is up so as to tell Hitsugaya to not hold anything back. :p

As for Renji, I'm not worried. Like Urahara is going to sit back now that his 'kids' are involved. ;)

I also think the numbering system is more of a ordering system (like when they were created) and not for rank. Something like SS numbering of the divisions?

KuwabaraTheMan

12-22-2005, 12:40 PM

Well, it appears that Matsumoto had to get permission for her, Hitsugaya, and Renji to go all out(due to that restriction on Captains and Vice-Captains in the Livng World). Now we should see them do some more damage. But will it be enough? Especially in the case of Matsumoto with no Bankai and an opponent who hasn't released yet?

I was also surprised that Hitsugaya came in 2nd on the new popularity poll. He even came within 49 votes of beating out Ichigo. Who knew the little guy was so popular?

GWOtaku

12-23-2005, 12:06 AM

We found out a LOT about the Arrancar in this chapter. Eleven and above are numbered in the order of their birth, not power, whereas one through ten (the "Espada") are unquestionably the strongest and in "a completely different dimension" compared to the others. Furthermore, Grimmjow is revealed to be the sixth Espada. Its no wonder Rukia was beaten so easily and Ichigo has a hard time.

Clearly the ten Espada are going to be the big villians to overcome in the future. One through three would probably be Aizen (definitely), Ichimaru Gin, and Tousen. With Grimmjow that's at least four known Espada at this point.

I'd forgotten completely about the Soul Society laws restraining the extent to which Captains and Vice Captains could use their power in the living world. I'd thought that the fact Bankai was being used meant that there were already no restrictions; apparently not. Now that free license has been given though, most likely Hitsugaya, Renji and Matsumoto will either equal or surpass their opponents and manage to win. However, given what we've learned about the Espada Grimmjow still poses a big problem. Even if Ichigo is more powerful with Bankai than Renji and Hitsugaya, Grimmjow is likely even stronger compared to his counterparts than Ichigo is to his.

Because of this, Ichigo needs to receive further help to survive. Those possibilities seem to be:

-Hitsugaya/Renji/Matsumoto; they defeat their opponents and team up to save Ichigo aftewards

-Yumichika shows up and successfully teams with Ichigo, proving more powerful than expected (not likely IMO)

-Another Captain arrives from Soul Society. The ones most likely to be motivated to do this (and to make a difference) would be Zaraki Kenpachi and Kuchiki Byakuya, in my opinion.

-Urahara and/or Yorouichi. Their absence during this battle is conspicous. What could they possibly be doing that's more important than dealing with these guys?

-Ishida. I actually think this is the most likely possiblity. We haven't seen him in a long, long time. The last time we did he made that deal with his father and was about to undergo training to become a MUCH stronger compared to what he was in Soul Society. Ishida intervening to injure or kill Grimmjow would be huge. Once again someone in Ichigo's core group, besides him, would be powerful enough to be considered a threat by the current villians. It would also be a strong point made on behalf of the Quincys: Here's someone you Death Gods had problems dealing with that I, a Quincy, was able to defeat. Ishida killing Grimmjow would be perfect for him: he protects Ichigo, whom he no doubt still respects, while appeasing his father by clearly establishing what a "real Quincy" is truly capable of.

I think Urahara or Ishida simply have to come into the picture pretty soon. Both are key friends and allies to Ichigo that have been outside the loop in this particular leg of the story and they need to be tied back into the storyline--especially in Ishida's case.

KuwabaraTheMan

12-23-2005, 12:15 AM

Aizen, Ichimaru, and Tousen aren't arrancar, arrancar are Hollows who gain Shinigami powers, those 3 would become Vaizards. I don't believe they're counted as part of the group, Aizen mentioned "our 20 friends" to Ulquiora", so I think its 20 arrancar, plus the 3 Captains.

Renji will probably win now, and so will Hitsugaya. I think Matsumoto might still come up short though. As for Ichigo, maybe Hirako shows up, and we can see what the Vaizards are able to do.

Youko Recca

12-23-2005, 01:00 AM

I'd forgotten completely about the Soul Society laws restraining the extent to which Captains and Vice Captains could use their power in the living world.

For real, that completely slipped my mind. But it makes sense now. I don't doubt Renji and Hitsugaya are about to lay some beatings down. As for Ichigo versus Grimjaw, I like the idea of someone not from the Soul Society clique helping him. Someone from HIS group, doesn't matter who, cause they're all equally in need, has to do it. Please.

And I'm finding it hard taking "Espada" serious, as that was the name of my old english teacher. And she is quite the opposite, very perky and fun. Nonetheless, it's interesting.

Mog

12-29-2005, 03:14 PM

Bleach 210 is out, and all that needs to be said is that Renji, Matsumoto, and Hitsugaya redeemed themselves by a wide margin.

Seriously, they barely broke a sweat.

GWOtaku

12-29-2005, 04:04 PM

Straightforward fight chapter where an unhinged Renji, Hitsuyaga, and Matsumoto vanquish their opponents. Will be interesting to see how things match up against Grimmjow.

FlyByNite77

12-29-2005, 08:12 PM

Bleach 210 is out, and all that needs to be said is that Renji, Matsumoto, and Hitsugaya redeemed themselves by a wide margin.

Seriously, they barely broke a sweat.Renji won a fight! :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

Mog

12-29-2005, 11:30 PM

Clearly the ten Espada are going to be the big villians to overcome in the future. One through three would probably be Aizen (definitely), Ichimaru Gin, and Tousen. With Grimmjow that's at least four known Espada at this point. Don't forget Ulquiorra. We don't know what number he is, but the way he talks to Aizen and the others as well as his ability to stop Urahara's attack, it can be concluded that he's one of the major ten.

KuwabaraTheMan

12-30-2005, 04:15 PM

Wow, they really pwned all their enemies. It seems like Edorado might have actually been the 3rd strongest after Grimmjaw and Shawlong, with how much he made Ikkaku, who Renji views as a superior, work for that victory.

Now we just have one fight left, but its going to be the toughest of them all.

I guess Matsumoto has finally done something(aside from beating up Kira), but we still don't see what her Shikai's ability is...

Dante Bunny

12-31-2005, 07:57 PM

KuwabaraTheMan

12-31-2005, 08:00 PM

Shikai...is that an upgraded version of bankai? Just wondering...
Uh no, Shikai comes before Bankai. Like when Renji says "Howl, Zabimaru". Shikai = initial relasea, Bankai = all release.

BadCrawford

01-09-2006, 10:14 PM

Wow, they really pwned all their enemies. It seems like Edorado might have actually been the 3rd strongest after Grimmjaw and Shawlong, with how much he made Ikkaku, who Renji views as a superior, work for that victory.

Now we just have one fight left, but its going to be the toughest of them all.

Actually, it looked more like Ikkaku just sucks compared to Renji and Hitsu. That guy said the Espadas are in a completley diffrent dimension then them and Ikkaku barely walked away from his opponent. I bet only Renji, Hitsugaya and Ichigo can fight the espadas.

KuwabaraTheMan

01-09-2006, 10:16 PM

Actually, it looked more like Ikkaku just sucks compared to Renji and Hitsu. That guy said the Espadas are in a completley diffrent dimension then them and Ikkaku barely walked away from his opponent. I bet only Renji, Hitsugaya and Ichigo can fight the espadas.

But Renji views Ikkaku as a superior, and said Ikkaku was the one best suited to become a Captain. I think Edorado was just a lot stronger then Ilforte.

Hitsugaya is a lot better then both of them, but that's to be expected.

KuwabaraTheMan

01-20-2006, 11:19 PM

211 has some good fighting between Ichigo and Grimmjaw, with Grimmjaw seeming pretty strong, the Espada really are completely different from the lower ones.

Tousen shows up, too, which should cause some big things, next week.

Eh, it was alright, but with Naruto, One Piece, and Prince of Tennis all putting out huge chapters, it felt like a bit of a letdown to have a fairly standard chapter of Bleach.

FlyByNite77

01-28-2006, 12:25 AM

So just read 212 didn't have Tousen fighting he just showed up to tell Grimmjaw he's in trouble with Daddy and to go back home.

Although I guess the effect was to show Ichigo how much more powerful the foe is then he is, so I guess its more training and power-up time.

Hitsugaya looked to be the worst off after all the battles and Orihime was healing him up. Ikkaku was being helped back by Yumichika.

Go-chin

01-28-2006, 12:39 AM

Tousen = Geordi La Forge

KuwabaraTheMan

01-28-2006, 12:45 AM

Yeah, there ends this set of fights. The Espada must be scary strong beyond belief, Grimmjaw unreleased>Ichigo Bankai. And there are 10 of them, plus Aizen, Tousen, and Ichimaru above them. Yeah, our heroes are screwed.

I mean, 13 insanely strong rivals, plus there are still 6 other Arrancar at least.

Whose going to fight them? Ichigo, Urahara, Isshin, Ishada, Yoruichi, Byakuya, Yamamoto, Ukitake, Kyouraku, Zaraki, Hitsugaya, Ikkaku, and Renji? That's the 13 I can think of, but aside from Urahara,Isshin, Yamamoto, Ukitake, and Kyouraku, all of them seem in need of serious powerups to fight against these guys.

Even they might be in trouble. Ulquiorra thought he could take on Urahara and Yoruichi at the same time if they had to worry about protecting Ichigo and Orihime, so he's probably even stronger then Urahara.

GWOtaku

01-28-2006, 02:24 PM

Bleach has a lot in common with Naruto at the moment in that in both stories the protaginsts are being shown to have glaring inadequacies. Ichigo can't even rely on his best attack without giving his Hollow side opportunites to gain control, and accoding to Grimmjaw its not nearly enough to kill him. Worst of all there are several others just like him, not to mention Aizen, Tousen, and Gin, which are undoubtedly in a class by themselves.

One way or another Ichigo has to find a way to come to terms with his Hollow side. Either he must find a way to suppress it (not working well so far) or eventually reconcile himself with it and have it working to his advantage, not against him. In my opinion he needs the kind of training Kenshin got in Rurouni Kenshin, where he completed his training and learned the succession technique so he could fight with full strength without reverting to the Battousai. Similarily, Ichigo probably has to rely on his Human/Death God side.

We've seen that even captain level Death Gods have to go all out to kill these Arrancar. They and Ichigo have to raise their limits in some way. Supposedly Death Gods have a limit that can't be broken, but going the way of Aizen and becoming part hollow doesn't seem like a very feasible or safe idea. My guess is there's some other way, and the group has to find it.

The good news is that Ichigo fully understands his limits right now, which should drive him to become stronger no matter the cost. Hopefully, his friends will try to do that too so they stay in the story.

Things that should happen next:

-Followup on Tatsuki's observation of Ichigo's battle. Bit by bit, everybody Ichigo knows is finding out about his secret. Due attention should be paid to this.
-Ishida. Where is he and what is he up to? How strong will he be when his father is through with him? Inquiring fans want to know.
-Urahara as a mentor. Now would be a REALLY good time for him to show up with some words of wisdom and hopefully a kickass idea of what to do next.
-Discussion in Soul Society over the day's battles and what they mean (to provide foreboding and all that)

Mr. Toto

01-29-2006, 12:52 AM

I think they really need to follow up on Chad and Orihime. Those two are long overdue for an upgrade, and I really like them. If they can't fight alongside Ichigo, then what use do they have? Especially Chad, who probably has a greater devotion to fighting alongside Ichigo than anyone else. They've both been through so many similar situations, I would really hate for him to get written out because of all of these new characters.

As soon as they got to Soul Society, they were proven to be out of their league. Along with Tatsuki, Keigo also needs to be focused on a bit. Rather than the Soul Reapers, Ichigo's friends are the ones who need to be in more focus. After all, we've already seen enough of the Soul Reapers for now.

Go-chin

01-29-2006, 01:21 AM

I think instead of continuing as it is currently, it should flip into a shoujo yuri school romance manga between Rangiku, Orihime, and Tatsuki.

FlyByNite77

01-29-2006, 01:25 AM

I think instead of continuing as it is currently, it should flip into a shoujo yuri school romance manga between Rangiku, Orihime, and Tatsuki.

works for me... Hey... Maybe they need to go investigate a catholic girls school that seems to be a base of operations for the Arrancar and we get Orihime, Rukia, Rangiku, etc... undercover there.

Bleach: Maria-Sama ;)

KuwabaraTheMan

01-29-2006, 01:27 AM

If a Jump series needs a yuri focus, Kishimoto could do another gaiden in Naruto, focusing on Tsunade and Shizune's years travelling the world gambling:D

KuwabaraTheMan

02-02-2006, 08:12 PM

213 is out. Ikkaku and Keigo comic relief. And we meet Keigo's sister, too.:anime:

Plus, Tousen slices off Grimmjaw's arm, and Gin shows up.

silverwings

02-02-2006, 09:14 PM

213 is out. Ikkaku and Keigo comic relief. And we meet Keigo's sister, too.:anime:

Plus, Tousen slices off Grimmjaw's arm, and Gin shows up.

Wow. Gin does not look evil, well... sans the weird close-eyed smile thing. His outfit has too much white. But maybe that's just me.

So... has Tousen powered up since we last saw him? Because Tousen lost to Kenpachi who lost to Ichigo... yet Tousen easily destroyed Grimmjaw's arm while Ichigo barely scratched him.. :confused:

KuwabaraTheMan

02-02-2006, 09:24 PM

Wow. Gin does not look evil, well... sans the weird close-eyed smile thing. His outfit has too much white. But maybe that's just me.

So... has Tousen powered up since we last saw him? Because Tousen lost to Kenpachi who lost to Ichigo... yet Tousen easily destroyed Grimmjaw's arm while Ichigo barely scratched him.. :confused:

Well he, Aizen, and Gin are probabl Vaizards now, so that could tie in with it. I immagine he got a healthy powerup.

FlyByNite77

02-03-2006, 11:18 PM

Asano's sister was cute and she likes guys with shaved heads so Ikkaku is one lucky bastard :anime:

I wonder how Mizuho is gonna deal with Yumichika hogging the bathroom mirror though... :p

The Tousen thing was a bit of a surprise, I initially thought Grimmjaw was just deferring to his orders because he was dispatched by Aizen, but he just hacked off his arm so he's definitely gotten stronger to boot.

GWOtaku

02-10-2006, 03:34 PM

214 is out. Ishida returns briefly and we see him training with his father, which mostly seems to involve Ishida trying not to be killed by his father's attacks. Significantly Chad skips school and goes to Urahara shop, bowing before Urahara and begging him to make him stronger. Finally we have Ichigo approaching the Vaizards. Not sure what he's planning; he's not foolish enough to fight them and he definitely wouldn't side with Aizen. He may be hoping that he can use them to figure out a way to control his hollow side. I guess we'll see.

We also have have Hitsuyaga and Matsumoto scene where Hitsuyaga states the obvious fact that if the arrancar destroyed were lower tier then they're in for a lot of problems. And Orihime and Tatsuki notice that Ichigo, Ishida, and Chad are not at school.

A+ just for keeping Chad relevant.

KuwabaraTheMan

02-10-2006, 03:50 PM

Looks like Ichigo will be joining up with the Vaizards, at least for the time being. Good to see Chad getting ready to get some training, too.

Youko Recca

02-10-2006, 11:00 PM

Yes, thank you! Chad needs to make a comeback, on the real.

FlyByNite77

02-11-2006, 06:32 AM

Urahara seemed pretty surprised at Chad asking to be his student. I dunno that their styles mesh since Chad doesn't have a Zanpakuto or anything. Maybe that big muscle guy who works in the shop should train him.

Mog

02-16-2006, 06:23 PM

215 out.

Well, we finally get a good look at all the Vaizards. Names escape me now, but the little girl Vaizard we met before is going to beat the Hollow out of Ichigo it seems. Finally. Everyone knows one can only gain true strength by becoming evil.*

*Note: This coming from a huge Akuma fan.

KuwabaraTheMan

02-16-2006, 06:38 PM

Sort of uneventful chapter, but Hiyori showing off her ability at the end should make next week sweet.

FlyByNite77

02-18-2006, 07:29 PM

Sort of uneventful chapter, but Hiyori showing off her ability at the end should make next week sweet.

Yea, can't wait to see little Hiyori smack Ichigo around. I also wonder if the Vaizard gang could become an ally in the fight against Aizen.

Mog

02-23-2006, 04:57 PM

FlyByNite77

02-24-2006, 05:38 PM

Well, I was right in my prediction that Hiyori would smack Ichigo around.

But it was even better to see Ichigo go semi-Vaizard and choke Hiyori to tears with one hand, prompting help from the other Vaizard.

Still waiting for a translation, though.

Just read the translation... Hmm, I would have liked to see Hiyori dominate him for a chapter before that though it was just a few pages. Then Ichigo's Hollow popped out somewhat and just destroyed her.

FlyByNite77

03-02-2006, 05:36 PM

Just read 217. I wonder if the Vaizards are somehow getting intel from Urahara? They seem to know a lot...

KuwabaraTheMan

03-02-2006, 05:53 PM

They're definitely getting info from somewhere, but based on Urahara and Isshin's comments earlier, I think they're seperate. Maybe they have a source in Soul Society, I saw that speculated elsewhere.

GWOtaku

04-14-2006, 11:08 AM

There's quite a lot for this thread to catch up with. After several chapters of struggle Ichigo has beaten down his hollow side, solving his inner conflict. And now in the latest chapter, 223, we discover from Yamamoto that Aizen's ambition is nothing less then to use the Hougyoku to create the "royal key" so he can access where the King of Soul Society lives so that he can kill him and take his place. He literally wants to sit on the "throne of heaven" he was talking about at the end of the Soul Society arc.

Short version: Aizen wants to kill the guy who is basically God in the Bleach world so he can take his place and be God. Can you say Arrogance?

Unfortunately, Aizen's ability to do something so absurd is irrelevant. The problem for our heroes is that to do this Aizen needs 1,000,000 souls and an "area of concentrated spirit," a particular point on the Earth where spiritual force is particularly concentrated. The location of this point shifts with time, but naturally it just so happens that at this particular moment the area in question is none other then the home turf of our heroes. And of course, if Aizen succeeds in his plan the entire focused area, i.e. the entire city, will be completely destroyed in the process.

Again naturally Aizen needs time to prepare the Hougyoku, so everybody has four months to train and get stronger before Aizen and his cronies come knocking on their doorstep.

To briefly touch on plot points that are not of cosmic importance, apparently Hinamori is about to talk to Hitsugaya over the huge monitor Yamato was using to talk to him with. Which of course means that she isn't dead! We also see a glimpse of Chad's training; apparently Renji (with Bankai active) is serving as a sparring partner, which should be damn helpful.

KuwabaraTheMan

04-15-2006, 04:02 PM

Alright, Hinamori is back. About time. Renji and Chad training together is promising as well.

Some plot development about Aizen, and our heroes have 4 Months to prepare.

But if Aizen hasn't been able to completely use the Hougyoku yet, that means the guys we've seen aren't the best he can make? Jesus.

FlyByNite77

04-15-2006, 04:19 PM

Hinamori-chan!!!! Hopefully soon.

People have been speculating over the King of Soul Society for awhile since in a recent artbook or guide or something there was a King listed at the top of the structured rankings in Soul Society.

There's been plenty on whether Ichigo is somehow related to him.

GWOtaku

04-15-2006, 06:47 PM

FlyByNite77

04-15-2006, 06:53 PM

I doubt that. Isshin was a death God, we know that, but seeing that we know that even Captains haven't even seen the king, I don't see how there can be a connection.

One does wonder about his "royal guard" and how powerful they are and whether they'll ever come into play at all.

Isshin could be the King. Fell in love with a human woman and stayed there. He's insanely uber-duper powerful and completely hides his reitsu... Which makes Ichigo the Prince of Soul Society ;)

Captain Highwind

04-23-2006, 03:24 AM

Isshin could be the King. Fell in love with a human woman and stayed there. He's insanely uber-duper powerful and completely hides his reitsu... Which makes Ichigo the Prince of Soul Society ;)

Whatever the case may be...Kubo better not cop out by killing him off. I just have that feeling.

224 is out. Double-issue because of Golden Week. One thing of interest was what Urahara says about Chad's power being different than a Quincy or Shinigami. I'm guessing he's part Hollow, which I hope is not the case. I was hoping his and Orihime's powers were of a different race altogether. I also wonder if Chad's power will evolve beyond his arm, like a full-body suit of armor. That'd be cool.

FlyByNite77

04-23-2006, 10:52 AM

Whatever the case may be...Kubo better not cop out by killing him off. I just have that feeling.

224 is out. Double-issue because of Golden Week. One thing of interest was what Urahara says about Chad's power being different than a Quincy or Shinigami. I'm guessing he's part Hollow, which I hope is not the case. I was hoping his and Orihime's powers were of a different race altogether. I also wonder if Chad's power will evolve beyond his arm, like a full-body suit of armor. That'd be cool.

Maybe he'll get the full suit like how Kazuki in scryed eventually got one and just had the arm all along ;)

Yea the way Urahara is talking makes it seem like it may be a hollow, although I suppose it could be something he recognizes from the past, but we the readers have never seen appear yet. Some other type of special person. Neither Quincy, nor Hollow, nor Shinigami not Bounto (Ooops that's just anime) :p

silverwings

04-23-2006, 11:13 AM

FlyByNite77

04-23-2006, 11:36 AM

HitsugayaXHinamori for the win! :D

I really, really want to see Urahara's bankai now. I wonder why he has such a sad/depressed face when talking about it.

And Chad can reach bankai level, but his powers aren't like Shinigami or Quincy. So either its something new or Hollow, from what we've seen.

And will someone please train Inone already? All she's been doing is moping around and whining. She's already behind in power and skill.

I read several different translations of this chapter and some have Urahara saying Chad can reach a bankai level power or possibly develop one himself. Where others say that by fighting against bankai powers will help him increase his abilities.

I'm kinda leaning towards the latter translation just because we've only seen Shinigami's with bankai's and Urahara does state Chad's not like a Shinigami.

Yea. Poor Orihime. She needs some training. All she has is healing and that shield.

Captain Highwind

04-23-2006, 12:36 PM

Yea. Poor Orihime. She needs some training. All she has is healing and that shield.

Another question: Is Orihime no longer able to use Tsubaki? I don't think Kubo ever explained if he's alive or dead after smacking into that Nappa-looking Hollow and turning into dust. (that whole scene does look too much like when Vegeta and Nappa first appeared on Earth in DBZ.)

KuwabaraTheMan

04-23-2006, 01:37 PM

(that whole scene does look too much like when Vegeta and Nappa first appeared on Earth in DBZ.)

Yeah, it does, which was why it was so awesome.

And Tsubaki is alive.

NO ONE dies in Bleach(except those nameless 12th squad grunts that got blown up).

KuwabaraTheMan

05-21-2006, 01:49 AM

BUMPKAI!

227 was interesting. Aizen is interested in Orihime. That's going to cause some messy situations, you've gotta figure.

And the stuff at the Asano household was hilarious.

FlyByNite77

05-21-2006, 04:58 AM

Tsubaki is still messed up and Orihime doesn't know how to heal him/bring him back or whatever. I wonder where all this Orihime stuff is going. Everyone seems to be interested in her... Except for Urahara who's kicked her to the curb. Although its probabl yall part of some master plan he has to bring out her powers by forcing her to go it alone or maybe he's sending her undercover to Aizen. I gots no clue.

Captain Highwind

05-21-2006, 02:00 PM

Except for Urahara who's kicked her to the curb. Although its probabl yall part of some master plan he has to bring out her powers by forcing her to go it alone or maybe he's sending her undercover to Aizen. I gots no clue.

I guess he's trying to keep her away from Aizen. That healing ability must be rare.

No fun playing war when the enemy can steal your best healer and use her against you.

FlyByNite77

05-21-2006, 05:50 PM

I guess he's trying to keep her away from Aizen. That healing ability must be rare.

No fun playing war when the enemy can steal your best healer and use her against you.

I'm thinking it might have to do with the barrier ability. We saw how she got through that big Vaizard guys barrier without destroying it. Maybe Aizen thinks he could use her abilities against some other barrier he may have to deal with.

KuwabaraTheMan

06-03-2006, 07:54 PM

Well its now been a month, yet Ichigo can only hold his mask for 10 seconds. He's also apparently begun reading hentai. They grow up so fast.:crying:

Meanwhile, Yami is back at full strength, and Aizen reveals that he can use the Hougyoku sooner then expected, creating a new arrancar. He then sends Ulquiorra and Yami to head back to the real world, allowed to take others along, including one-armed Grimmjaw.

And Yumichika and Matsumoto are training to get bankai, it would seem. Ikkaku gets the strange feeling.

Looks like we'll see a big battle coming up.

Maybe see some Vaizards in action? Ressurgent Chad and Orihime?

Grenzer

06-03-2006, 08:13 PM

This chapter was real good all around, but it gets special mention because of Love's philosophical musing on Fist of the North Star.

"Have you ever thought about it? How significant that line is? Telling his enemies they are already dead when they don't realize it, that's deep. :lol:

FlyByNite77

06-04-2006, 07:16 AM

I really liked 229, it felt a lot more like the Bleach of old with so much comedy and things worked in.

Although it feels like Kubo Tite is trying to quickly give personalities to the various Vaizards. I guess the whole meaning of the month comment was to show how Ichigo hasn't progressed too much in holding Hollow-mode, but it also then explains why he's trading insults and getting along with the rest of them since they've spent so much time together.

KuwabaraTheMan

06-10-2006, 03:40 AM

silverwings

06-10-2006, 09:38 AM

So Orihime and Rukia are training together in Soul Society, and we get to see a little of Ukitake and Hisagi. I wonder if Kubo is planning for Hisagi to play a greater role soon, so he's showing him here.

And then we have the arrancar invasion. Ulquiorra is no where to be seen right now.

Matsumoto vs. the new guy (Wonderweiss or whatever)
Ikkaku and Yumichika vs. Ruby(new #6)
Hitsugaya vs. Yami
Ichigo vs. One Armed Grimmjaw

Should be some exciting fights, especially since Ulquiorra is still out there somewhere. Wonder who'll fight him?

Well, he has a mission to do but since he's not there I don't think it's fighting. He's either there to 'talk' with hats-n-sandles to get more info about the crystal OR he's heading out to SS to kidnapped Orhime and using the other 4 as a distraction in the real world.

yeah...

I don't Ichigo has gone far, so assuming that I think the other Vaizards will help him out if things get ugly. Plus, I think Shinji understands that Ichigo learns best in life-on-the-line situations.

KuwabaraTheMan

06-10-2006, 12:23 PM

That's assuming Orihime is his mission. I doubt it now. Kubo would be setting them up for failure with Orihime in Soul Society(where we have 9 Captains still present, one of the strongest of whom is currently watching Orihime). Otherwise, they fail, and Kubo makes them look like a bunch of idiots.

Its probably something else, that will result in him having to fight for it, so I think we will see him fight a little.

Captain Highwind

06-10-2006, 01:23 PM

Plus, I think Shinji understands that Ichigo learns best in life-on-the-line situations.

I certainly hope so. I wouldn't care for any more Hollow training, it was really dragging.

GWOtaku

06-10-2006, 07:22 PM

Don't forget about Ishida! His training is finished and he's certain to show up for the next round of fighting. :) I'm excited to see Ichigo's friends come back with a vengeance soon.

FlyByNite77

06-11-2006, 06:48 AM

I don't even want a fight with Ichigo/Grimmjaw. With all the training with the Vaizards and stuff I just wanna see Ichigo just destroy Grimmjaw without even breaking a sweat. He's just a throwaway character now anyway having been thrown out of the numbered espada.

FlyByNite77

06-16-2006, 06:33 AM

Read 231. I really hope that Grimmjaw was just destroyed/defeated in that 11secs of Vaizard mode.

Next few chapters should be awesome though with Urahara making a battle appearance... Woooh

silverwings

06-16-2006, 07:21 AM

231... not sure how much Orhime or Chad has improved but seeing Urahara going into battle? I'm there! :D Next week can't come soon enough.

KuwabaraTheMan

06-16-2006, 06:36 PM

Ah hell yeah.

Urahara is going to go into the battle field. Hopefully we can see him take on Ulquiorra, that would rule.

Damn, Hitsugaya needs to bust out something new, though. Like a 2nd Stage Bankai or something.

Captain Highwind

06-17-2006, 02:03 PM

Meh, this is really starting to repeat itself. The only thing that I expect from this is Ichigo's vaporized Grimmjaw and will begin to move onto the other Hollows WITHOUT going Hallow nuts.

I'm sure Yoriuchi will show up with Urahara and they'll pull in their share of the fighting, but Hitsugaya and the other Shinigami have already had thier chance with the limit removals.

Something big needs to happen soon.

FlyByNite77

06-30-2006, 06:38 PM

Damn I wanted Grimmjaw to be toast and we just move on... Looks like that isn't going to happen.

So at least in 233 we get Urahara showing up with some cool lines and a little action.

And oooh looks like we found out what Ulquiorra is up to. He's been dispatched to capture Inoue???? :ack:

silverwings

06-30-2006, 07:00 PM

And oooh looks like we found out what Ulquiorra is up to. He's been dispatched to capture Inoue???? :ack:

Hahaha, I called it! :D Should be a great chance to see some of the other shinigami fight, since he's shouldn't leave without trading some blows with SOMEBODY. :sweat:

FlyByNite77

06-30-2006, 07:19 PM

Hahaha, I called it! :D Should be a great chance to see some of the other shinigami fight, since he's shouldn't leave without trading some blows with SOMEBODY. :sweat:

Mebbe, although technically they have left soul Society right? He's ambushing them in that gateway/corridor between the human world and Soul Society so all Inoue has with her are those two low-ranking guys. My guess is Inoue tries to trade herself and willingly go with him to save their lives, but he kills them anyway.

Youko Recca

06-30-2006, 08:30 PM

Mebbe, although technically they have left soul Society right? He's ambushing them in that gateway/corridor between the human world and Soul Society so all Inoue has with her are those two low-ranking guys. My guess is Inoue tries to trade herself and willingly go with him to save their lives, but he kills them anyway.

Sounds plausible, and I'd laugh if it happend. I just want Zaraki and Byakuya to bust out of nowhere and kick ass. These damn captains need to step they game up. Can't let their turf be stained with they own blood. Nope.

KuwabaraTheMan

06-30-2006, 10:27 PM

Damn, Hitsugaya really needs to step his game up. He better get a Bankai Stage 2 or something.

Urahara shows up in the nick of time, but he can't(and shouldn't) take on all of the enemy. Hopefully Ikkaku will bust out his Bankai to take on Yami.

And yeah, Orihime is in trouble. Perhaps Ukitake will show up and teach Ulquiorra how a real Bishounen fights.

FlyByNite77

07-07-2006, 05:24 PM

So read 234. Damn I love Ulquiorra's attitude in it. The Orihime stuff is playing out like I thought it would though, I would like to see her show some massive offensive improvement and initiate an attack or something. But probably won't happen.

Looks like Hitsugaya got his level 2 bankai... Sweeeeet

GWOtaku

07-07-2006, 07:59 PM

Maybe Ishida will show up out of nowhere and save the day. Yeah, probably wishful thinking, but I'm really anxious for him to do something.

And Hitsugaya won a fight! Woohoo!

KuwabaraTheMan

07-07-2006, 09:07 PM

Wow. I got my wish.

Now Matsumoto needs to get better and save Orihime, who is also saved by Kuukaku and Yoruichi, and then they inexplicably decide to have a 4 way on the spot.

Kubo draws the whole thing in explicit details.*prays*

And Hitsugaya won a fight! Woohoo!

He beat Shawlong, too.

And surprisingly, Urahara seems to be in trouble. Although he'll probably whip something out to counterattack.

Hopefully Ikkaku takes on Wonderweiss.

Captain Highwind

08-03-2006, 02:03 PM

Man, has Kubo's drawings of his character's eyes always looked so toony? I feel like it's just started this arc.

So Orihime's going to be POW for a good portion of this arc. Great. :shrug:

FlyByNite77

08-05-2006, 01:39 AM

Man, has Kubo's drawings of his character's eyes always looked so toony? I feel like it's just started this arc.

So Orihime's going to be POW for a good portion of this arc. Great. :shrug:

Yeah, that pisses me off being the Orihime fan I am. :crying:

Although I am happy it appears we won't get a duplicate of the Soul Society arc just with Orihime in Rukia's place.

Captain Highwind

08-05-2006, 01:58 AM

Yeah, that pisses me off being the Orihime fan I am. :crying:

Although I am happy it appears we won't get a duplicate of the Soul Society arc just with Orihime in Rukia's place.

In a way we are, because she's being really self-sacrificing right now.

I just don't feel like hearing Ichigo say "I will get Orihime back/I will protect my nakama!!!!!11111" every other line... :sweat:

Captain Highwind

08-12-2006, 01:12 AM

New chapter's out.

Hm. Inoue branded a traitor? What a tweest! :ack:

KuwabaraTheMan

08-12-2006, 01:28 AM

Orihime's departure was so sad. It made me cry a lot.

The latest chapter was weird though. Zaraki following orders, and those orders prevent fighting from happening? What the hell?

And why take away the Shinigami from earth and leave several plot points(Chad/Renji training, Keigo bond with the Shinigami, Rukia living at the Kurosaki house) hanging?

Plus why waste space in the previous chapter on Orihime leaving Hitsugaya and Matsumoto instructions. They never even found them, so its not like they clued them into her disappearance either.

Furu

08-12-2006, 06:48 AM

So, Ichigo's alone. No back-up, no way to get to Hueco Mundo, no way to even survive if he went there.

I see one of two things happening:

1. Ichigo goes to the vaizard and they help him go to Hueco Mundo to bust out Orihime and then head for the hills.

2. Aizen either corrupts Orihime somehow or refines her powers to create a sort of artifical superbarrier.

I don't know which of the two is the least likely. :shrug:

Captain Highwind

08-12-2006, 12:48 PM

I'd say the latter is most likely. Aizen did a pretty good job of alienating Orihime so that he could keep the Shinigami at bay.

GWOtaku

08-17-2006, 04:31 PM

http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/8205/chadpunchyl8.jpg

Well well, look who's back.

Mr. Toto

08-17-2006, 09:25 PM

Well finally. Here's hoping that Chad kicks major ass in Hueco Mundo. In Soul Society, he was pretty useless. I'm looking forward to this new arc, especially since we're going to see some cool new skills put into play.

FlyByNite77

08-18-2006, 05:04 PM

I guess I spoke too soon about them not duplicating the Rescue Rukia arc with Orihime in her place.

Oh well. At least it looks like Urahara is going with them? Cool.

silverwings

08-18-2006, 05:49 PM

I guess I spoke too soon about them not duplicating the Rescue Rukia arc with Orihime in her place.

Oh well. At least it looks like Urahara is going with them? Cool.

If he does, that already makes it better than the Rescue Rukia arc. :D And frankly, if they can duplicate the suspense of that arc, more power to Kubo. And the fights. Gotta love the fights. :anime:

KuwabaraTheMan

08-19-2006, 06:56 PM

I doubt its just Ichigo, Ishida, Chad, and Urahara. Tatsuki and Keigo will hopefully get involved. And they look pretty outmatched.

But it does look like the next arc will be pretty cool.

Youko Recca

08-19-2006, 07:04 PM

Bleach already done fell off a little. It better not topple over completely with a Rescue redux, I swear, Kubo better not pull that.

FlyByNite77

08-25-2006, 09:40 PM

I doubt its just Ichigo, Ishida, Chad, and Urahara. Tatsuki and Keigo will hopefully get involved. And they look pretty outmatched.

But it does look like the next arc will be pretty cool.

I really didn't see how Keigo could be involved, but looking at 240... Wow

I'm bummed because Urahara didn't accompany Ichigo, Ishida and Chad... But it looks like he's going to train Tatsuki, Mizuiro and Keigo and then I guess they could join Ichigo's group at some point? But it doesn't seem realistic to take them from 0 skills to being able to go to Hueco Mundo.

KuwabaraTheMan

08-25-2006, 10:04 PM

I'm guessing Urahara will accompany them as well, after training them.

As for the three of them getting strong quickly, he could do something similar to the Three Day Bankai method, if there's a way to apply that to other types of training.

GWOtaku

08-26-2006, 01:01 AM

On top of that, I wouldn't underestimate Tatsuki in particular. We know she was able to feel Orihime's presence, and later she was able to see Ichigo. So she has that spirit awareness waiting to be turned into something more. She's also a tough, scrappy fighter to begin with.

She also has the most at stake here, namely her relationships with Orihime and Ichigo. I assume she'll soon know the whole story, and then she'll want to do something about it. And then there's Ichigo, who's tried to keep her uninvolved (as she may or may not contemplate in due time, Orihime did the same thing). As we saw last chapter that hurt her deeply enough to smash Ichigo into a window. I'd suggest its not just because she know Ichigo wasn't being straightforward, but also because she was no longer relied on or trusted by him the way she used to be. In some ways Tatsuki's an earlier version of Chad, and I think at this point she won't tolerate being left behind on the sidelines. We may or may not see her take action right away for this arc, but I'd say her time is definitely coming and soon.

Grenzer

08-26-2006, 10:50 AM

So yeah, what about that Grimmjow? Getting his arm back and vaporizing Luppi like he was nothing, I guess we all know who the "Vegeta" of this series is. That was probably the greatest moment of the chapter for me. And we now know that Orihime is nearly all powerful, able to bend reality to her will. What I really want to know is how Aizen was able to guess so easily that she really was that powerful. The man has amazing intuition and can play his cronies off of one another without them even realizing it; Aizen might just be the smartest and most cunning villian in a shounen manga ever.

GWOtaku

08-26-2006, 11:28 AM

And then there's Yama-jii, who doesn't have a clue about what she can do. You're right, he's pretty sad.

Agreed, Grimmjow is awesome. I love how crazy this guy is. "HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! It's back!! My surging power has returned!!! I AM the Sexta once more!!!The SEXTA ESPADA, GRIMMJOW!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!"

Good riddance to Luppi, make way for the truly badass villians.

FlyByNite77

09-01-2006, 06:32 PM

241.

Wow there appears to be a history between Isshin and Ishida's father cool, but damnit Kubo Tite is just stringing us along and never giving us answers on either of them... :D

Man this just cranks it up and makes me want to know even more just what happened in the past there...

We know Urahara knows Isshin so I wonder if somehow Urahara helped him regain his powers (since Ishida's father was surprised Isshin regained Shinigami powers) or if Urahara had somehow originally helped him to lose his powers so that he could remain on Earth (ala Rukia's gigai which was draining her Shinigami powers)

KuwabaraTheMan

09-02-2006, 02:28 PM

Isshin and Ryuuken knowing each other was pretty predictable, but cool to see.

Bets on that Arrancar getting hit simultaneously by Getsuuga Tenshou, Pwn Arrow, and Nu Arm of the Giant next chapter?

FlyByNite77

09-14-2006, 11:31 PM

Just read 243 and whooo. Ishida and Chad get their power-ups on and pummel those two enemies. Ichigo doesn't even have to get involved.

Nice

KuwabaraTheMan

09-14-2006, 11:36 PM

Chad and Ishida have certainly gotten a lot stronger.

FlyByNite77

10-06-2006, 11:39 PM

Been quiet for awhile. Read 246.Man I really REALLY hate the introduction of these 'comedic' hollows... UghAt least Renji and Rukia showed up though, sweet.

Malex

10-07-2006, 12:40 PM

After that nice fight with Iceringer and Demora and the introduction to the entire Espada, I would think that 246 would be a solid chapter. I was mistaken. While having an innocent, lisp-speaking Arrancar could be cute, but it just didn't seem to fit well with setting of HM. At least we know that not all Arrancar are formidable foes just the Numeros and the Espada (seriously is there anything Hollow-related that is not in Spanish?). At least the three now have backup in the form of Renji and Rukia.

I just don't want this to be another Rescue from alternate plain arc. We know their are ten Espada just don't give them personal underlings and seconds.

KuwabaraTheMan

11-02-2006, 12:39 PM

Mega Bump!

So now, beyond just the Espada, we have the Triple Digit Arrancar, who are former Espada?

Wow, Kubo keeps introducing new enemies.

Ichigo's current opponent seems pretty strong, despite being so weird.

Captain Highwind

01-30-2007, 05:17 AM

Chapter 260

Well look at that, Chad gets another arm

Four more arcs and he'll have a full suit of armor :anime:

KuwabaraTheMan

01-30-2007, 11:35 AM

Yeah. I think most people could call him getting a Left Arm.

I'm impressed by his increase in speed, however.

Zuric

01-30-2007, 08:14 PM

Chapter 260

Well look at that, Chad gets another arm

Four more arcs and he'll have a full suit of armor :anime:

I don't think that would work, they still have to animate it and the way
his colors seem to be, plus his speed, we'd all have seizures everytime
he runs by:sweat:

Captain Highwind

02-04-2007, 07:38 PM

And now Chad's powerup is rendered useless in fewer than 20 pages. :sad:

silverwings

02-04-2007, 10:49 PM

And now Chad's powerup is rendered useless in fewer than 20 pages. :sad:

That was the best twist ever. Awesome power up and owned in the same chapter. Has that ever happened before? :p

Mr. Toto

02-04-2007, 11:28 PM

I feel like now that Ichigo and his friends won't be able to save Orihime in Hueco Mundo. It's rather apparent that they have no chance against the Espada, especially since Ichigo hasn't improved since the last time he fought Grimmjow (Who's only number 6 on the power charts, didn't release his Zanpakutou, and only had one arm at the time). If Chad's strongest attack had no effect on Noitora, then we're in serious trouble. I have a feeling that some Soul Society captains are going to haul them out of there before they die.

Oh, but this chapter reminded me exactly why Chad is my favorite character. He's awesome. La Muerte was incredible.

FlyByNite77

02-05-2007, 05:56 AM

That was the best twist ever. Awesome power up and owned in the same chapter. Has that ever happened before? :p

Now Chad knows how Ichigo felt when he powered up and owned Renji only get to beat down by Byakuya ;)

Rocketboy

02-07-2007, 08:12 AM

262 pics are out and Kubo pulls another twist.

Kaien is the masked espeda.

GWOtaku

02-07-2007, 09:28 AM

Whoa, all kinds of possibilities with this development...I'm hoping he'll start as an enemy and end up helping out our heroes somewhere down the line here, because its looking more and more like they're going to need some backup.

And I see that Inoue slaps the pretty boy. Heh.

KuwabaraTheMan

02-07-2007, 11:51 AM

Well at least now the last people clinging to that idiotic reincarnation theory will shut up.

This should be getting interesting. And Chad is still in the game.

Rocketboy

02-07-2007, 02:57 PM

A picture so you cannot deny!!

http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/8731/bleachspoil3ay9.jpg

trunkschan90

02-07-2007, 03:21 PM

Whoa!!!:eek: I wonder how Rukia would react to Kaien being alive and an espeda? :sweat:

Captain Highwind

02-07-2007, 03:29 PM

I can't call him Zack anymore. You know, since he's alive and all. :sad:

*Sigh*

Yet another big ass spoiler to keep concealed on the AS board.

Rocketboy

02-07-2007, 03:50 PM

Whoa!!!:eek: I wonder how Rukia would react to Kaien being alive and an espeda? :sweat:

She sweated and had big eyes.

Furu

02-07-2007, 04:01 PM

I am betting large amounts of internet money that that is not Kaien and the Espada can just assume other people's identities or whatnot.

KuwabaraTheMan

02-07-2007, 04:14 PM

I am betting large amounts of internet money that that is not Kaien and the Espada can just assume other people's identities or whatnot.

Yeah, but we've already seen that with the Grand Fisher. This is more interesting, right?

Captain Highwind

02-07-2007, 07:05 PM

And it's very plausible he is alive, since he merged with a Hollow (I think, it's been a while since I've seen that episode). It probably just healed him.

The important question is: will he be able to pull off that "Jack Skellington w/ Freakishly long tongue" look again? :anime:

rubberchicken

02-07-2007, 07:12 PM

And it's very plausible he is alive, since he merged with a Hollow (I think, it's been a while since I've seen that episode).
Which died, right?

Captain Highwind

02-07-2007, 07:31 PM

Or did it? :ack:

It does seem kind of like a fungus in nature.

Anyway, I wonder how Ganju and Kukaku are going to take this too?

KuwabaraTheMan

02-07-2007, 07:34 PM

Ganju should be the one to beat this punk.

Captain Highwind

02-08-2007, 12:59 AM

In any case, Rukia's fight is going to be sooooo much more interesting than Chad and Ishida's. :anime:

KuwabaraTheMan

02-08-2007, 10:51 AM

Damn, it looks like Chad was struck down for now. But with everyone reacting to it, I guess Chad will get some cool return moment later in the story arc.

Rocketboy

02-14-2007, 02:24 PM

263 shows that Chad has some fight left in him. And Kaien tells Rukia she's improved since they last saw each other.

And darn Mayuri for calling Nemu a female pig!:crying:

KuwabaraTheMan

02-14-2007, 03:23 PM

Atta boy Chad. You go and show them what you're made of.

Captain Highwind

02-17-2007, 10:14 PM

Looks like I was right about the Kaien/Hollow regenerating thing. Unless he was lying about that too.

Sparticus

02-18-2007, 02:46 PM

OH NOEZ! :eek:

Maaaaan this is gonna be such an awesomely awesome fight! :D

Captain Highwind

02-18-2007, 03:08 PM

OH NOEZ! :eek:

Maaaaan this is gonna be such an awesomely awesome fight! :D

But he was such a nice guy.

Now I don't want them to fight. :(

Sparticus

02-26-2007, 12:26 AM

But he was such a nice guy.

Now I don't want them to fight. :(

Yeah. :/ I like Kaien, he's crazy. But this is a really good oppurtunity to see Rukia kick a lotta butt.

Captain Highwind

02-26-2007, 12:48 AM

I just wish Kaien would make up his mind. Is he mad? Happy? Forgiving? Vengeful? Pick an emotion please.

Christopher Soul

02-26-2007, 01:03 AM

Well Kaizen being revealed was somewhat of a shock. Bleach moves on, and improving.
Now this fight should prove interesting. :D

silverwings

02-26-2007, 09:02 AM

FlyByNite77

02-26-2007, 12:50 PM

I still think that could be Kaien, but just his physical appearance. The Hollow that merged with him somehow having absorbed his memories and what not from their joining, but Rukia having freed his true soul by killing him.

Captain Highwind

03-03-2007, 11:22 AM

Hey, I'm liking the cover art to this chapter.

Makes nice wallpaper:

http://img119.imageshack.us/img119/7277/bleachwpgc9.th.jpg (http://img119.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bleachwpgc9.jpg)

Sparticus

03-03-2007, 05:31 PM

Hey, I'm liking the cover art to this chapter.

Makes nice wallpaper:

http://img119.imageshack.us/img119/7277/bleachwpgc9.th.jpg (http://img119.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bleachwpgc9.jpg)

My first thought when I saw that was "Oh noez! Color guard!" :D

... Eh? *reads text in corner* "Grenades are not light for us"? Incubus reference of some sort? O.o

Hanshotfirst113

03-03-2007, 10:41 PM

Yeah, this chapter was awesome. I would've yelled in glee when I read it if not for the fact my roommate was asleep.

How would you have explained that one :)? And do you speak Japanese?

djthomp

03-03-2007, 11:34 PM

Heh, my first thought was "Hmn, its Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band".

Captain Highwind

03-03-2007, 11:49 PM

And do you speak Japanese?

I can't. But judging from the pic, Kaien's a lancer.

DUNH, DUNH, DUNH! :eek: (I guess...)

KuwabaraTheMan

03-03-2007, 11:58 PM

How would you have explained that one :)? And do you speak Japanese?

o.0 Random quoting a message over a year old.

And I can speak a little Japanese. I'm a 2nd year student.

Hanshotfirst113

03-04-2007, 06:08 PM

o.0 Random quoting a message over a year old.

And I can speak a little Japanese. I'm a 2nd year student.

Lucky you. I only know a few odd words here and there and don't have the time or money to commit to learning it. And that was just there when I opened up the thread, that's all.

Knighthammer

03-05-2007, 10:57 PM

Even if that's really Kaien (and not a shapeshifter or illusion-based appearance), it's not the same man that Rukia knew. 'bout time she got that. :)

Looking forward to seeing her bankai. Also looking forward to seeing how Renji has improved.

Wow, do we know for sure she has a final release? Has it been mentioned?

I mean, yea, we know she's exceptionally strong even for a Soul Reaper, but is she at that level ?

KuwabaraTheMan

03-05-2007, 10:58 PM

Wow, do we know for sure she has a final release? Has it been mentioned?

I mean, yea, we know she's exceptionally strong even for a Soul Reaper, but is she at that level ?

No, we do not.

I highly doubt it, myself. She isn't very good.

silverwings

03-05-2007, 10:59 PM

Wow, do we know for sure she has a final release? Has it been mentioned?

I mean, yea, we know she's exceptionally strong even for a Soul Reaper, but is she at that level ?

Oh, I don't know that she has a bankai. But how else is someone supposed to beat an Espada (barring anyone else coming in to save the day)?

rubberchicken

03-05-2007, 11:04 PM

She's a shonen female character. One of the male leads will have to save her.

(c'mon Kubo, prove me wrong, pleeeeeeaaaaase...)

Captain Highwind

03-05-2007, 11:10 PM

She's a shonen female character. One of the male leads will have to save her.

(c'mon Kubo, prove me wrong, pleeeeeeaaaaase...)

He sure didn't with Orihime...

rubberchicken

03-05-2007, 11:14 PM

When was that, apart from the Hollow that attacks her during the Ishida/Kurosaki battle - which I don't count, because she had to win that one to show off her newly-acquired skill? If there's another fight where she didn't end up getting bailed out, refresh my memory. I don't remember the stuff leading into the Hueco Mundo arc all that well.

Captain Highwind

03-05-2007, 11:18 PM

rubberchicken

03-05-2007, 11:24 PM

She is currently imprisoned at Hueco Mundo and is awaiting Ichigo to rescue her.

Whoops, I completely misread/misinterpreted your post. My mistake.

Now, Orihime went there thinking that she'd have a chance to strike at Aizen's operation from the inside, but I have a nasty suspicion that this is just playing into some larger plan that he has - so that when she does so, she ends up just making everything much worse.

Hanshotfirst113

03-06-2007, 05:03 PM

She's a shonen female character. One of the male leads will have to save her.

(c'mon Kubo, prove me wrong, pleeeeeeaaaaase...)

Well, the only Shonen exception I can think of is...oh, crap, let me get back to you.

Captain Highwind

03-06-2007, 06:01 PM

In another scenario, I see Kaien pressuring her to learn the Bankai on the fly ala Ichigo. She only needs to learn the third dance, right?

And Renji's little adventure has sadly kept me uninterested. I thought he'd have more of the spotlight in this part of the rescue.

I also hate these new friendly Hollows that have followed them. I don't do well with forced-comedy relief. -_-

rubberchicken

03-06-2007, 06:43 PM

In another scenario, I see Kaien pressuring her to learn the Bankai on the fly ala Ichigo. She only needs to learn the third dance, right?
Except that you learn to do bankai while working with the sword, not while fighting an enemy. We haven't even seen if she can materialize her blade yet.

I suppose Kubo could start rewriting/ignoring his own rules, but my impression was that Rukia was pretty far down in the reaper ranks.

Captain Highwind

03-09-2007, 09:01 PM

Chapter 266:

Ah...Cop-out! >:(

Malex

03-09-2007, 09:11 PM

...or is it?

There is a chance that Kaien and the hollow have fused and created an arrancar with two head/personalities. There is no way a random arrancar knows so much about Rukia's past and be able to wield Kaien's shikai. There is more to this arrancar than two balls in a fish tank.

Captain Highwind

03-09-2007, 09:17 PM

I'm going to be highly upset with Kubo if he's reduced Kaien to a couple Madballs in a tank.

http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/1586/madballstoyszo4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Sparticus

03-11-2007, 02:59 PM

... Little floating hollow heads in a jar? How Mignola! XD

Hmmm... maybe he's trapped in there or something as a part of the Borg... I mean, Arrancar collective conciousness or something and they can like, access his memories and stuff. Probably has something to do with the hollow that posessed him innitaly; it was able to vaporize (or something) zanpokutous - we don't know what happens to the blade after that.

KuwabaraTheMan

03-11-2007, 03:15 PM

Kubo, you wimp.

Whatever, hopefully Rukia loses horribly now. I don't really care.

rubberchicken

03-11-2007, 03:30 PM

Well, we were already pretty sure that it wasn't actually Kaien.

GWOtaku

03-11-2007, 09:52 PM

Laaaame. Can we get to Ichigo righteously owning somebody again?

Rocketboy

03-11-2007, 10:55 PM

Or actually, I don't know, finish Chad's battle?

Captain Highwind

03-11-2007, 11:31 PM

Well, we were already pretty sure that it wasn't actually Kaien.

It's going to be pretty anticlimactic if Kaien shows up now...

rubberchicken

03-12-2007, 09:25 AM

It'd be pretty stupid to bring him back now, anyway. The series has enough characters.

They still haven't explained how Von Klempt here managed to mimic Kaien's knowledge and techniques.

Captain Highwind

03-12-2007, 06:32 PM

They still haven't explained how Von Klempt here managed to mimic Kaien's knowledge and techniques.

I'm guessing Aizen had all of Kaien's memories and abilities "downloaded" into the Arrancar from the destroyed Hollow Experiment. He probably could have done the same with any of the other Shinigami that the Hollow previously absorbed, if he wanted to.

Malex

03-12-2007, 10:27 PM

I'm liking the "Kaien is a Madball in a tank" theory more than that theory. Downloaded memories is too much of a cop-out to be real.

Captain Highwind

03-13-2007, 12:03 AM

I'm liking the "Kaien is a Madball in a tank" theory more than that theory. Downloaded memories is too much of a cop-out to be real.

I never said I wanted it to be true... :3

But at this point it's fifty-fifty, and that's the simplest answer

or highly unlikely 3rd scenario:

3) Kaien's being held captive in someway, somewhere (as a last-minute effort to make the fans happy if they rebel. I mean, honestly, does anybody care about ANY of these new characters introduced in the Rescue Orihime arc so far?)

Malex

03-13-2007, 12:29 AM

The only character I can tolerate is Nell, and I really don't like her that much. She is an arrancar though and can swallow a cero and return it. Hueco Mundo is just lacking in comic relief. Hana in Soul Society was not as annoying as the Great Desert Bros. Oh well, Madballs!

Rocketboy

03-13-2007, 09:24 AM

Well, I think it's funny at how Pesshe and Ishida argue.

Mr. Toto

03-13-2007, 12:12 PM

What if the top head is the hollow, and the bottom is Kaien? The top mask slightly resembles the hollow that killed Kaien, and we haven't heard anything from the bottom mask yet. I wouldn't count it out just yet.

Captain Highwind

03-16-2007, 09:21 PM

Okay, so it is Kaien (sorta), and he's at 30,000 (Hollow souls, that is)

So I guess Rukia just has to free him from the Gillian somehow. That will be acceptable.

Malex

03-16-2007, 09:39 PM

Too bad being skewered is going to prevent her from freeing Kaien at the moment.

KuwabaraTheMan

03-16-2007, 10:00 PM

Yes, Rukia got skewered! That made me so happy.:anime:

Arronio is certainly a very strong opponent, despite being a Gillian.

2 down now.

Furu

03-17-2007, 12:14 AM

Yes, Rukia got skewered! That made me so happy.:anime:

Arronio is certainly a very strong opponent, despite being a Gillian.

2 down now.

I think this arc is going to end up proving coming to Hueco Mundo was a very very bad idea.

Mr. Toto

03-17-2007, 01:10 AM

I honestly have no idea why Ichigo thought it would be a good idea to storm into the place. He couldn't even beat a one-armed (and unreleased) Grimmjow literally before he went to Hueco Mundo. What made him think things would go better there? I understand it's for Orihime, but he of all people should know that you can't just magically improve enough to defeat the Espada and Aizen with no training.

I like Arroniro. It seems like he's gotta be incredibly powerful, if he can use the power of 30,000 combined Soul Reapers. I guess it helps that I really like the designs for most of Kubo's Gillians anyways.

Knighthammer

03-17-2007, 01:33 AM

I honestly have no idea why Ichigo thought it would be a good idea to storm into the place. He couldn't even beat a one-armed (and unreleased) Grimmjow literally before he went to Hueco Mundo. What made him think things would go better there? I understand it's for Orihime, but he of all people should know that you can't just magically improve enough to defeat the Espada and Aizen with no training.

Lets not forget what happened in Soul Society.

Ichigo DID go from not even being able to defeat the Grand Fisher to being able to pummel one of the most powerful captains in a VERY SHORT TIME.

rubberchicken

03-17-2007, 12:46 PM

I think this arc is going to end up proving coming to Hueco Mundo was a very very bad idea.

Or that Ichigo > all. Again. :shrug:

Malex

03-17-2007, 01:07 PM

Lets not forget what happened in Soul Society.

Ichigo DID go from not even being able to defeat the Grand Fisher to being able to pummel one of the most powerful captains in a VERY SHORT TIME.

With training along the way. Ichigo is basically the same as went he fought one-armed, unreleased Grimmjow. Ichigo and Company were screwed the second they entered the portal. This is not Soul Society. The enemy knows EVERYTHING about them (or will once Zael-Apollo extracts all the information he needs from the Privaron Espada) and are considerable more powerful than them. The most powerful Gillian Arrancar just skewered Rukia. Granted that Rukia is the weakest in the group, but it was the Noveno Espada.

I have been wondering ever since they entered Hueco Mundo. Did they actually think they would succeed? There is no Yoruichi to save Ichigo from bleeding to death. No espada is gonna take a liking to Ichigo and take on two of the others for commiting treason. NOTHING is going in their favor. Aizen could shunpo to the Court of the Espada and kill everyone and go get a cup of tea, but he doesn't. Ichigo and the others should have realized all of this before even considering saving Orihime.

GWOtaku

03-17-2007, 01:08 PM

Or that Ichigo > all. Again

Well, yeah. I kind of expect that from shonen protagonists.

Captain Highwind

03-17-2007, 06:18 PM

I'm kind of wondering where this is going myself. Are they going to make it to Aizen, or are the shinigami going to come in, retrieve them, and give them all a slap on the wrist?

rubberchicken

03-17-2007, 08:58 PM

I'm telling you, Orihime is going to sneak out of her cell, "reject" the Hougyoku, and unwittingly advance Aizen's plans to their next stage, forcing everyone to run like hell and regroup.

Malex

03-19-2007, 01:03 PM

I think that they will stop once Ichigo takes on Grimmjow in the Court of Espada while Orihime rejects the Hougyoku which creates a beam of energy that bounces around the court because of the sky and amplify the strength of Gin, Tousen, all of the Espada in making them perfect vizards and arrancars. Thus everything goes to Hell.

Captain Highwind

03-19-2007, 05:23 PM

forcing everyone to run like hell and regroup.

But not until Ichigo gives Aizen a wedgie, Renji snaps the picture, and Ishida pays the the twenty dollars for the bet

Then they run like hell :anime:

Sparticus

03-20-2007, 01:08 PM

Hmmm... maybe he's trapped in there or something as a part of the Borg... I mean, Arrancar collective conciousness or something and they can like, access his memories and stuff. Probably has something to do with the hollow that posessed him innitaly; it was able to vaporize (or something) zanpokutous - we don't know what happens to the blade after that.

Ha ha! I called it kinda! Someone give me a cookie! XD

Anyway... Oh noez Rukia! Jabba there needs to say something to seriously piss Rukia off or Ichigo needs to come or something. Man... I hope Kubo doesn't cut it off there like he did with Chad. x.x

But not until Ichigo gives Aizen a wedgie, Renji snaps the picture, and Ishida pays the the twenty dollars for the bet

Then they run like hell :anime:

Wedgie no Jutsu ftw!

rubberchicken

03-20-2007, 01:09 PM

Speaking of which, I think Chad has gotten the shaft more than any other character in the series. Can't Kubo just let him succeed at something?

Captain Highwind

03-20-2007, 06:55 PM

Speaking of which, I think Chad has gotten the shaft more than any other character in the series. Can't Kubo just let him succeed at something?

I'm sure whenever he gets full body armor, he shall own most righteously

Just like Kazuma from S-Cry-Ed

Mr. Toto

03-21-2007, 06:50 PM

Speaking of which, I think Chad has gotten the shaft more than any other character in the series. Can't Kubo just let him succeed at something?

I think he's just kind of unlucky. In Soul Society, he fought Kyouraku, who's probably one of the three strongest captains in the entire place. He hadn't trained since then, so he really did get the shaft against Yammy and D-Roy, but this led him to getting an upgrade.

Also, I don't picture Noitora being in the bottom 5 Espada, so I'm sure he's ridiculously strong. He just faces people too strong for him, unfortunately. I hope he gets back up soon though; I want to see more of Chad's power.