Bleach 195. Current manga discussion. *MAJOR SPOILERS!*

[RockmanDash]

You know.. actually thinking about it.. I'm kind of ticked Ichigo did not beat Ulquiorra with his own power, well it was his power.. but not in control. I mean I'm sure there could of been some final clash were Ichigo makes a number one attack and looks awesome for once after all the beatings he has been getting lately.

And Don_East come on.. give the UlqXOri fans a break. Orihime is never and I mean never going to hook up with..Ul.. *imagines four years later Ulquiorra comes back to life and Orihime and him become a couple and have 3 children which gives me scary memories of how randomly Vegeta and Bulma hooked up*

......I....better go before I get zapped.

[Neo Ultra Mike]

Originally posted by The VileOne[/B}
And people call what Kishimoto is doing with Naruto bad, :p.

Eh, at least Naruto EARNS his powerups. Ichigo dosen't. Besides Naruto dosen't try sparring every person just because they look human like Ichigo seems to be doing latley despite the obvious fact they're his enemy. I'd be ticked if Naruto gave Nagato the whole "oh wait I was fighing with my demon fox power. That dosen't count I want a rematch" bul$*$@ like Ichigo's doing.


Originally posted by [B]Don_East
You watched Video Game Confessions on TGWTG.com didn't you?

Hey you read the Entertainment board? I was the one who posted when he did that update on the TGWTG thread there. I was hoping someone would get the ref though since it sprang to mind when Beat mentioned Stockholm's Syndrome. Besides that way it'd be appeasing the Ulquiorra/Orihimie and Ichigo/Orihime fans... in the freakiest way possible:D


Originally posted by Meagman X
You know.. actually thinking about it.. I'm kind of ticked Ichigo did not beat Ulquiorra with his own power, well it was his power.. but not in control. I mean I'm sure there could of been some final clash were Ichigo makes a number one attack and looks awesome for once after all the beatings he has been getting lately.

Uh, no. Because Ichigo dosen't DESERVE the victories he's been getting. If anything the beatings make it more bearable since they're like "you don't deserve to beat me because of how much I can whoop you. See look I'm doing it right now and you're taking it cause that's your character". Seriously that latest powerup was fairly dues exish. At least the first hollow power up for Byakuya had some backing to it. THIS didn't. Besides we don't need Kubo finding even more ways to rip himself off then he's already been doing thank you very much.

[RockmanDash]

Uh, no. Because Ichigo dosen't DESERVE the victories he's been getting. If anything the beatings make it more bearable since they're like "you don't deserve to beat me because of how much I can whoop you. See look I'm doing it right now and you're taking it cause that's your character". Seriously that latest powerup was fairly dues exish. At least the first hollow power up for Byakuya had some backing to it. THIS didn't. Besides we don't need Kubo finding even more ways to rip himself off then he's already been doing thank you very much.

Yeah I know but still.. it makes me feel that Ichigo is.. *gasps* ....weak.. eh I'm to use to watching series were the main character has to be stronger than everyone else. >_> Maybe this is a nice change.. even if this power up was.. interesting, I was going to say that it was probably from getting a hole in the stomach but..since that already happened.. uh I'm going to need a better reason than "the power of friendship and love from Orihime over comes all!"

[SigmasonicX]

Related to my earlier pictures. (http://www4.picturepush.com/photo/a/1082277/img/1082277.jpg)

[GWOtaku]

It's not just how this worked out, that's the thing. It's that I can't see how Ichigo and company can go back and make a huge difference at the big fight in our world, and I thought that a big reason for the Ulquiorra fight was to prepare Ichigo for that showdown.

I mean, it's great things worked out and that Ichigo has his humanity...but he'd still get owned by Tousen or Gin, let alone Aizen.

[anime_guru]

Yeah I know but still.. it makes me feel that Ichigo is.. *gasps* ....weak.. eh I'm to use to watching series were the main character has to be stronger than everyone else. >_> Maybe this is a nice change.. even if this power up was.. interesting, I was going to say that it was probably from getting a hole in the stomach but..since that already happened.. uh I'm going to need a better reason than "the power of friendship and love from Orihime over comes all!"

as for reason are we forgetting the famous king and his horse speech
that's where the power came from and sadly anyone could see it coming. IMHO it seems to be the most ill conceived copout I've seen in an anime for a long time. And sadly this is all that's been happening with bleach if ichigo's name is attached

Ichigo is defeated and insert deus ex machina here so he can win. It has happened in practically every arc and the only difference is we at least got exposition about how the power came to be or some great secondary characters to help ichigo in his quest. Many of whom are like disappeared I mean where are the vaizards and for that matter what happened to Nel? Leave her in the middle of Hueco Mundo.

I mean for me its not just another deus ex machina powerup, its a panoply of things that makes me conclude Kubo can't write and he puts himself in corners and that leaves the fans well...saddened.

As far as something happening I expect Grimjow to come back. Heavens knows if his bum chum yammy came back, then Grimmjow isn't far behind

[garfield15]

It's not just how this worked out, that's the thing. It's that I can't see how Ichigo and company can go back and make a huge difference at the big fight in our world, and I thought that a big reason for the Ulquiorra fight was to prepare Ichigo for that showdown.

I mean, it's great things worked out and that Ichigo has his humanity...but he'd still get owned by Tousen or Gin, let alone Aizen.
I'm gonna be honest GW. At this point, I really just think he's going to pull another power out or have some sort of deus-ex-machina leading to his victory. He hasn't grown at all since the beginning of the arc and all of the powerups have been coming out of nowhere so unless some major shift in the story occurs, I don't see Ichigo winning by...um....trying...

Wouldn't it be great if this turns out like Berserk and Aizen ends up winning? And then Ichigo has to travel the Spirit world alone seeking vengeance?

[Captain Highwind]

I mean, it's great things worked out and that Ichigo has his humanity...but he'd still get owned by Tousen or Gin, let alone Aizen.

In all honesty, I wasn't expecting anything from this, other than my faroff speculation about where the new mask was heading (and still might down the road)

Ichigo's DEFINATELY not ready to deal with Aizen's group, and probably won't be until this series starts to wrap up. Or when the series decides to change direction with a new boss. If anybody's going to spar with Aizen right now, I would pick Urahara (or Isshin would be even awesomer.)

But right now, there needs to be a LOT more investigation as to what the hell's going on with Ichigo's inner Hollow circus, and explanations need to be made concrete. No more of these King and Horse metaphors. We don't even really know what happened to Inner Zangetsu.

[Lelouch]

Wait...I am confused...I know Ulquiorra got hurt badly but I didn't think it would be enough to kill him...What the heck?

But...

*agrees with sam*

Ulquiorra was my favorite character. But does him turning into sand really classify as dead? Maybe...maybe...he just did it to recover somewhere else? Or...I am just too stubborn to accept his death.

[warnerbroman]

Ulquiorra was my favorite character. But does him turning into sand really classify as dead? Maybe...maybe...he just did it to recover somewhere else? Or...I am just too stubborn to accept his death.hey mabey we find the sand and turn it into glass cup for hime to drink out of

[Mr. Obsession]

Finally got to read the chapter for myself. And yes, Ulquiorra's death is anticlimactic as hell, but I think I like it. The hints about Ichigo eventually overcoming Ulquiorra since his introduction was my biggest complaint about this fight, I just couldn't get into it at first. And then at the end, never once did Ichigo get to actually defeat him. Thank you Kubo for defying my expectations.

I think when this gets animated I'll actually enjoy it the second time around.

Also, in the end I do feel sorry for Ulquiorra. He knew he was dying and he didn't want to fade quietly into the night. If Ichigo had known I wonder if he would have honored Ulquiorra's request to go out with a bang.

[FireStarterLE]

Meh, why did Ulquy have to be a bit vague with his "if you don't kill me now, it will never be over" thing.

Are you coming back in some form or another or are you just saying things like that just because?!?!

In the end this fight turned out ... weird, but I'm glad it's over. I'm ready to get back to Espada #s 1, 2, and 3 fighting.

[Funkatron]

I sense reverse Stolkholm Syndrome (if it even exists)

Not as bad as I thought it would be.

[LinkG07]

Devilman would not have fallen to worst shounen lead right now.

Also, Inoue has a SERIOUS case of Stockholm Syndrome.

That's cause her mind is literally filled with ponies, unicorns, butterflies and happy thoughts. She may be scared whenever she's been kidnapped for the 50th time, but I bet she always imagines the big baddie with bunny ears.

[FlyByNite77]

Bikinis are always automatic canon

Rangiku's is like a stripper cop outfit too... yum :p

But all that and then it ends with a wimper. I hope we go back to Karakura and see what's going on with the Shinigami vs Aizen's forces. I'm hoping Soul Society is getting beat and the Vaizards show up...

[Beat]

That's cause her mind is literally filled with ponies, unicorns, butterflies and happy thoughts. She may be scared whenever she's been kidnapped for the 50th time, but I bet she always imagines the big baddie with bunny ears.

Well someone needs to reprogram her, and fast.

[zoombie]

The fan service picture in the beginning pawned.

I finally got to read this chapter, it was what were all waiting for, Ulquiorra is finally dead. I was hoping he would see the errors of Aizen before he died, but that doesn't matter.

Are we finally taking a big step in the story which we haven't had in a long time, and have the main fighting take place in the real world?

I swear to it, if another Espada comes and takes Orihime again, and we have to start all over again, Mr. Kubo not ready yet to progress the story, I am going to be so mad. It is time to progress the story.

[warnerbroman]

what is ichigo's hair blonde now?

oh great there will be thousands of AMV about this.....

[SigmasonicX]

The true story of the Ulquiorra battle:


Mod edit: Sorry, but images also have to conform to our language rules.

[warnerbroman]

you made that yourself?

[SigmasonicX]

No, got it from the Internet.

[ShadowGUN]

So spoilers are out.
Turn out that Yammy, the Kool-Aid man, is not Espada number 10 but Espada number 0. THUS MAKING HIM THE MOST POWERFUL ESPADA OF ALL.

[Rolling Cloud]

Spoilers have hit.

Translation

ウルキの回想から～
It starts from Ulquiorra's flashbacks.

徐々に消えていく井上の姿（自分が塵になっていく過程で）
It's a figure of Orihime slowly disappear (as he's turning to dust)

（なんか色々思ってる　このなんちゃらはお前らの頭を砕けばみえるのか～
　頭蓋骨を開いてみればわかるのか…）
He is thinking a lot of things like If I cracked you guys' heads would I be able to see it? If I tried to open your skull would I understand?)
　中略
(The writer skips it)

　これが　心（ハート）なのか
Is this a heart?

扉絵はウルキ
The opening page is Ulquiorra.

話は変わりヤミーへ
The scene goes back to Yammy.

上で巨大な霊圧が消える
The huge reaitsu from above fades away.

苺が勝ったのか…？
Did Ichigo win...?

ヤミー　あ～あせっかく手伝いにいってやろうとしたのに
　　　　やられちまって
Yammy: Ahh... I was trying to help you, but you got beaten up in the end.

３人で話　あいつは１０番だいける　って見たいな展開に
　　　　　なり
Three of them talking: "He's only number 10 so we can win..." It seems something like that is going to happen

ヤミーがぶちぎれて力を解放！超巨大化
Yammy enrages and releases! Choukyotaika (means something like turning to a giant)

ヤミーの１０の１が消え　０に
俺は力を解放することで数字が変わるエスパーダよ！！
At number 10 of Yammy, 1 disappears and leaves only 0.
I'm a Espada whose number is changed after the release!!

エスパーダは誰が１～１０っていった？
本当は０～９なんだぜえええええええ
Who said Espada is number 1-10?
Actually it's 0-9

３人は愕然
Three of them are astronished.

話は変わり日番谷へ
押される日番谷
The scene changes to Hitsugaya
He's being pushed down

隊長さんってこんなもんかもうしんでいいよ
So a captain is someone like this. It's your time to die.

って所で終わり
Finish


EDIT: D'oh, I'm a turtle! XD

[garfield15]

So spoilers are out.
Turn out that Yammy, the Kool-Aid man, is not Espada number 10 but Espada number 0. THUS MAKING HIM THE MOST POWERFUL ESPADA OF ALL.
Okay, be honest. Nobody saw this coming. Don't anybody try to say "I knew it" or "I called it." There is absolutely no way anyone could have seen this coming

(Maybe that Squad 0 theory could be a reality someday)

[MezzoDragon]

The part with Yammy has to be fake. That is no way he could just change ranks that easily. However, if this is a true spoiler, then Dome-Head Espada's status as a former Gillian matches his weakest rank.

[anime_guru]

it could be a joke I have to say this surprising and a bit funny considering how uahara totally owned yammy
for him to be the strongest espada...maybe it means he has the most potential out of all the espada
regardless this was the biggest wtf moment ever. And it was needed considering the lust was just not good. mediocre it was

anyway the "nappa' character of bleach is now strong that's scary. who knows maybe he is kool aid man

[Paul_Cousins]

Spoilers have hit.

Translation

ウルキの回想から～
It starts from Ulquiorra's flashbacks.

徐々に消えていく井上の姿（自分が塵になっていく過程で）
It's a figure of Orihime slowly disappear (as he's turning to dust)

（なんか色々思ってる　このなんちゃらはお前らの頭を砕けばみえるのか～
　頭蓋骨を開いてみればわかるのか…）
He is thinking a lot of things like If I cracked you guys' heads would I be able to see it? If I tried to open your skull would I understand?)
　中略
(The writer skips it)

　これが　心（ハート）なのか
Is this a heart?

扉絵はウルキ
The opening page is Ulquiorra.

話は変わりヤミーへ
The scene goes back to Yammy.

上で巨大な霊圧が消える
The huge reaitsu from above fades away.

苺が勝ったのか…？
Did Ichigo win...?

ヤミー　あ～あせっかく手伝いにいってやろうとしたのに
　　　　やられちまって
Yammy: Ahh... I was trying to help you, but you got beaten up in the end.

３人で話　あいつは１０番だいける　って見たいな展開に
　　　　　なり
Three of them talking: "He's only number 10 so we can win..." It seems something like that is going to happen

ヤミーがぶちぎれて力を解放！超巨大化
Yammy enrages and releases! Choukyotaika (means something like turning to a giant)

ヤミーの１０の１が消え　０に
俺は力を解放することで数字が変わるエスパーダよ！！
At number 10 of Yammy, 1 disappears and leaves only 0.
I'm a Espada whose number is changed after the release!!

エスパーダは誰が１～１０っていった？
本当は０～９なんだぜえええええええ
Who said Espada is number 1-10?
Actually it's 0-9

３人は愕然
Three of them are astronished.

話は変わり日番谷へ
押される日番谷
The scene changes to Hitsugaya
He's being pushed down

隊長さんってこんなもんかもうしんでいいよ
So a captain is someone like this. It's your time to die.

って所で終わり
Finish


EDIT: D'oh, I'm a turtle! XDUlquiorra is probably not dead for two reasons.

1. In the previouse chapter Ulq stated Ichigo would have to kill him for him to truly died. Probably beheading, like how normal hollows are normally defeated.

2. It is rare to have a flashback scene from the villian's point of view after the villian has been killed.

Sure, he turned to dust. But, with all the freaky powers in Bleach, that doesn't mean he is truly dead. :cool:

And if he does come back, he may change his mind and join the humans' side. Because, as he stated right before he turned to dust, that humans had just started getting 'interesting' to him. :evil:

Also, when Ulquiorra turned to dust, did anyone else get reminded of the Kansas song, "Dust in the Wind" during that scene?

[Mett]

Apparently Yammi is the strongest espada after he has released?

[Baseball]

I just noticed the parallel between Ulquiorra's asking of Orihime "Are you afraid?" in chapter 316 and the one in 353. So that's why Kubo put it in...nice.

[Neo Ultra Mike]

Originally posted byPaul_Cousins
2. It is rare to have a flashback scene from the villian's point of view after the villian has been killed.

Yeah but

Isn't that the way that Nnoitra died: a quick flashback right before his body faded away? So couldn't the same happen for Ulqourra especially considering if he were to be brought back as a hero then Tito Kubo would have to be stoned by his fans for repeating EVERY plot point from the Soul Society arc.

It is an interesting twist that Yammy is the strongest release? I guess it wasn't enough that Chad would of had a revenge fight against Yammy since no way he, Ruika or Renji would stand a chance against a released Espada 0. This better not mean another solo Ichigo fight but rather everyone actually working together to take out Yammy or him defeating them and somehow getting to the real world or something like that.

And he better not just try taking Orihime agian. Seriously she's hit her kidnap limit for this arc: don't try for anymore Kubo less you want to look like more of a fool.

[RockmanDash]

You know I actually like this twist, Yammi just seemed like the pointless Espada who would get killed any second, but now that he releases he becomes stronger than Stark? Personally I find this to be less obvious and more thrilling.

[Rocketboy]

I'm just really thinking that the chapter after this one will be comedic, and it reveals that the 1 just moved to his other arm or something, and Ichigo and gang beat the everloving crap out of him.

[MeggieMay]

Also, when Ulquiorra turned to dust, did anyone else get reminded of the Queen song, "Dust in the Wind" during that scene?
Not to get OT here but I think the song "Dust in the Wind" is by the group Kansas, not Queen :sweat:

[garfield15]

I'm just really thinking that the chapter after this one will be comedic, and it reveals that the 1 just moved to his other arm or something, and Ichigo and gang beat the everloving crap out of him.
Honestly...that would be hilarious and I'd love to see that.

[Novapocalypse]

I'll give it to Kubo. That was a nice twist.

[Paul_Cousins]

Not to get OT here but I think the song "Dust in the Wind" is by the group Kansas, not Queen :sweat:You're right. Previous post fixed.

[Scirel]

Wow, that was totally unexpected. Seriously.

I don`t think anyone reading the manga saw this coming. For those who've seen, what does his release look like? Are these official or fake spoilers?


Also, does this mean that there really is a #10 Arrancar out there somewhere?

And the addition of the number 0 to Bleach's coutning system all but confirms we'll see the "Squad 0 Royal Guard", when we go to the "upper soul society" or whatever he'll call it.

Since captain isn`t the highest millitary rank, we'll probably see Soul Generals and such there.

[Lelouch]

Just out of curiosity...

When was the last time we saw Zangetsu?

[garfield15]

Just out of curiosity...

When was the last time we saw Zangetsu?
When Ichigo was controlling his hollow form when training with the Vaizards right?

Does Kubo even remember the whole Zanpakuto spirit thing? I mean, we've only seen three and one of them technically isn't canon since it was in the second Bleach movie.

[Scirel]

When Ichigo was controlling his hollow form when training with the Vaizards right?

Does Kubo even remember the whole Zanpakuto spirit thing? I mean, we've only seen three and one of them technically isn't canon since it was in the second Bleach movie.


We say Hitsugaya's in a flashback chapter.

[Lelouch]

When Ichigo was controlling his hollow form when training with the Vaizards right?

Does Kubo even remember the whole Zanpakuto spirit thing? I mean, we've only seen three and one of them technically isn't canon since it was in the second Bleach movie.

It's kind of depressing, I actually really liked the idea. Not to mention, I wanted Ichigo to learn a new attack aside from Getsuga Tenshou...but instead he just keeps getting Hollow Upgrades?

And what was Hitsugaya's?

[garfield15]

We say Hitsugaya's in a flashback chapter.
Oh that was in the manga too? I thought it was just in the second Bleach movie


It's kind of depressing, I actually really liked the idea. Not to mention, I wanted Ichigo to learn a new attack aside from Getsuga Tenshou...but instead he just keeps getting Hollow Upgrades?

And what was Hitsugaya's?

It looks exactly like his Hyorinmaru when you see it as a dragon except it, you know, talks.

[BigBear]

Didn't we see a similar situation of Yammy's in Naruto (Tobi = Madara)?

[Mr. Obsession]

When I first saw the Yammy spoiler my inital reaction was somewhere between: "lol Kubo, shinnagins!" and "I won't believe this until I see the actual chapter for myself." But then after thinking about it for awhile, I'm willing to believe it.

I have no problem believing that Yammy is actually stronger than his rank suggests. He's stupid as hell, so it would make sense that Aizen would rank him below physiclly weaker Espada like Aaroniero or Szayel, but I never thought his release form would beat, say, Grimmjow. Not when pre-visored Ichigo, bare-handed Yoruichi, and unreleased Ulquiorra's one-shot all seemed to push Yammy around like he's nothing.

Anyway, part of me wants to believe the whole "Espada 0" thing is going to be revealed as Aizen and Gin messing with Yammy for the lulz. But I think it's going to be real for two reasons. First it keeps him relevant. And second, we have one captain in Hueco Mundo who hasn't had a fight yet: Unohana. Kubo has stated in several interviews, stretching back well over a year, that he has a specific fight planned out to showcase Unohana. His own second databook ranks her in overall skill and abilities as the third most powerful captain, right behind Yamamoto and Aizen. Up until now any character who has had the opportunity to fight her has run away. Mark my words, if Unohana ends up fighting Yammy then Kubo's had this planned out for a long time, in which case I have to give the man far more credit than I usually do.

And yes, it's a twist that no one saw coming.

[Captain Highwind]

So spoilers are out.
Turn out that Yammy, the Kool-Aid man, is not Espada number 10 but Espada number 0. THUS MAKING HIM THE MOST POWERFUL ESPADA OF ALL.

ooh!

I bet his one-hit kill attack is

dividing by 0

[anime_guru]

His own second databook ranks her in overall skill and abilities as the third most powerful captain, right behind Yamamoto and Aizen. Up until now any character who has had the opportunity to fight her has run away. Mark my words, if Unohana ends up fighting Yammy then Kubo's had this planned out for a long time, in which case I have to give the man far more credit than I usually do.

gonna disagree with the data book here. in the databook, hitsugaya is supposed to be much stronger and ffs he was on par with gin. And yet, he is completely underpowered and forever losing since soul society arc. That said

the yammy thing is the hilarious shred of fact I have ever read. This almost made my day.

[Neo Ultra Mike]

Originally posted by anime_guru
gonna disagree with the data book here. in the databook, hitsugaya is supposed to be much stronger and ffs he was on par with gin. And yet, he is completely underpowered and forever losing since soul society arc. That said

Well to be fair the ranking system of the data book is kind of off. I mean according to said ranking system Tozen and Konohamura are suppose to be stronger then Kenpachi (since Kenpachi dosen't have any Kido or Shunpo or anything besides base strength and skill to boost his stats) yet he took them out fine. Besides it has been hinted at for awhile that everyone is afraid of Unohana in some way. There has to be a reason for that.

So yeah I would hope for Unohana fighting released Yammy if he is the super Espada 0. I mean I would also like a group battle but since that seems really doubtful considering how it goes against shonen law I'll settle for that instead.

[warnerbroman]

We say Hitsugaya's in a flashback chapter.it would make scene as he the opposite of the head captain

[MeggieMay]

Mark my words, if Unohana ends up fighting Yammy then Kubo's had this planned out for a long time, in which case I have to give the man far more credit than I usually do.

I've actually always thought Kubo's had this story planned out way in advance (I've always thought he was he's really good at plot twists, which is what first interested me in Bleach). What I don't think Kubo has (well more of a feeling here) is the story actually "written out in narrative form." What I'm thinking is he has the entire story of Bleach outlined and thought out but in more of a outline format verse a real story written out in a A to B to C type format. It this was true it would, in my view, explain the really iffy storytelling the manga sometimes runs into; the ablity of the story to do things like the Pendalum arc (I wouldn't be surprised if we don't see more jumping around with this story, either); but the very notable, almost genious, plot twists and characters who showed up way earlier, disappear, and then return to be major factors moments in the story.

In other words, I think Kudo has the story of Bleach written out in chuncks, like plot idea A, plot idea B... and he knows what Z is. However, how he's putting it together is by doing cut and paste of what he has written out. Which means Bleach has narritives that wander all over the place as he tries to connect stuff up, all the while leaving it so Kubo can move things around in any order (other than maybe the actual very end of the story) and he can add or take out ideas as he publishes the story. Which means the reader is stuck with some really bad stuff at times but it does make Kudo a better plot storyteller than many sometimes think he is :anime:

[Paul_Cousins]

I've actually always thought Kubo's had this story planned out way in advance (I've always thought he was he's really good at plot twists, which is what first interested me in Bleach). What I don't think Kubo has (well more of a feeling here) is the story actually "written out in narrative form." What I'm thinking is he has the entire story of Bleach outlined and thought out but in more of a outline format verse a real story written out in a A to B to C type format. It this was true it would, in my view, explain the really iffy storytelling the manga sometimes runs into; the ablity of the story to do things like the Pendalum arc (I wouldn't be surprised if we don't see more jumping around with this story, either); but the very notable, almost genious, plot twists and characters who showed up way earlier, disappear, and then return to be major factors moments in the story.

In other words, I think Kudo has the story of Bleach written out in chuncks, like plot idea A, plot idea B... and he knows what Z is. However, how he's putting it together is by doing cut and paste of what he has written out. Which means Bleach has narritives that wander all over the place as he tries to connect stuff up, all the while leaving it so Kubo can move things around in any order (other than maybe the actual very end of the story) and he can add or take out ideas as he publishes the story. Which means the reader is stuck with some really bad stuff at times but it does make Kudo a better plot storyteller than many sometimes think he is :anime:That is a possibly. I can see the logic in what you are saying.

[Funkatron]

I've actually always thought Kubo's had this story planned out way in advance (I've always thought he was he's really good at plot twists, which is what first interested me in Bleach). What I don't think Kubo has (well more of a feeling here) is the story actually "written out in narrative form." What I'm thinking is he has the entire story of Bleach outlined and thought out but in more of a outline format verse a real story written out in a A to B to C type format. It this was true it would, in my view, explain the really iffy storytelling the manga sometimes runs into; the ablity of the story to do things like the Pendalum arc (I wouldn't be surprised if we don't see more jumping around with this story, either); but the very notable, almost genious, plot twists and characters who showed up way earlier, disappear, and then return to be major factors moments in the story.

In other words, I think Kudo has the story of Bleach written out in chuncks, like plot idea A, plot idea B... and he knows what Z is. However, how he's putting it together is by doing cut and paste of what he has written out. Which means Bleach has narritives that wander all over the place as he tries to connect stuff up, all the while leaving it so Kubo can move things around in any order (other than maybe the actual very end of the story) and he can add or take out ideas as he publishes the story. Which means the reader is stuck with some really bad stuff at times but it does make Kudo a better plot storyteller than many sometimes think he is :anime:

Ironically enough, that's exactly how I write.

[macattack]

Ironically enough, that's exactly how I write.

Me too. :sweat: I feel like a walking contradiction now considering how often I call Bleach "plotless".

[warnerbroman]

if you think about it it makes sense the more human the less arracar parts they have


yammy has less than UlQ

[Scirel]

Me too. :sweat: I feel like a walking contradiction now considering how often I call Bleach "plotless".

You guys got me here as well, in that's how I write too. :P


Luckily, I work with my sister, who writes in the exact opposite way, so together, we may just be able to write a coherent story. IE, I can write the major events, but not the connecting ones, and she is great at writing connecting parts of the story, but can`t come up with major events.

[FlyByNite77]

I agree with the Kubo plotting. I think he's definitely got the ending in mind and how he wants to get there and major sections of the story. He may change things along the way or add in some plotlines, but I think ultimately he's going to the end he envisioned.

If you look at Ichigo's hollowification, we saw him use that kind of mask on a cover pretty far back. I believe in some of the original art he even had some of the Vaizards years before they were ever introduced.

Although this Yammy thing. Honestly, I haven't been so flat-out surprised by something in Bleach since Aizen's big reveal in the Soul Society arc.

[zoombie]

It was a good chapter. No major fighting, just set up for the next chapter. But the Yammy twist is gold. Great job Mr. Kubo.

[Baseball]

I think it's just a ruse. If anything, the "0" is just for intimidation. Aside from that, Shawlong said that they were numbered only from one through ten. Think about it--Yammy's gotten wrecked every time we've seen him fight. Chad's probably still going to defeat him.

[warnerbroman]

while naruto has metagross (pein)

they have giratina

http://i409.photobucket.com/albums/pp173/unichan_chute/giratina.png

[garfield15]

So Nel would be Stantler, Luppi would be Tentacruel and Ulquiorra would be Crobat?

Speaking of him, how are the fangirls taking his death?

[Lelouch]

Well...as a fanboy...

Terribly =(

[XOMiss_Samantha]

Speaking of him, how are the fangirls taking his death?

HORRIBLY. VERY HORRIBLY. And the fact that Yammy is now number '0' just makes me even more angry considering I always thought Yammy was the villiage idiot rather than somebody who actually had a substantial amount of strength. I would perfer to laugh and point than cower in fear from him. But back to the question- Ulqui didn't deserve to die so soon. He was a great character and I'm pretty pissed he's gone.

[Lelouch]

Ah, but let us have hope that maybe he survived! I mean, it's not impossible, Kubo has done it before.

[XOMiss_Samantha]

Ah, but let us have hope that maybe he survived! I mean, it's not impossible, Kubo has done it before.

I keep my fingers crossed every Friday that he'll somehow return.

[CartoonOverlord]

I keep my fingers crossed every Friday that he'll somehow return. He's dead, Jim. :p

[GWOtaku]

I hate to even bring it up, but logic demands it...if Inoue can restore somebody who's been totally vaporized, it's not out of the question to restore Ulquiorra.

I think the very concept of such a thing is sheer madness of the highest order, but I had to point it out. I call it madness mostly because Ulquirroa's dying words don't convince me of his capacity to be a good guy. Before that moment, he did everything he could to put Inoue through hell and nearly killed Ichigo more than once. I don't see why I should give him the benefit of the doubt just based on some commentary about his interest in humans...what does that really mean? Does it mean "you guys aren't so bad, you shouldn't die" or is it just a "curses, I'm dying, that's too bad, I enjoyed watching you struggle" comment?

Besides, Bleach already tends to pull its punches. I'm reluctant to see Inoue pulling a resurrection trick at every opportunity. Such a deed also risks making her a mary sue--you can do anything you like to her, but you're okay if you're nice to her at the very last minute.

Why? How? I don't understand. Keep him dead.

[Captain Highwind]

354

Renji, get up on the Hydra's back!

Things aren't going to go well...are they? >>



I hate to even bring it up, but logic demands it...if Inoue can restore somebody who's been totally vaporized, it's not out of the question to restore Ulquiorra.

Oh, I'm still holding onto the theory that Aizen's going to use the Hogyoku to rebuild every Espada for later.

It will be a crap move that will piss off a nation

[FireStarterLE]

Oh, I'm still holding onto the theory that Aizen's going to use the Hogyoku to rebuild every Espada for the later War.

It will be a crap move that will piss off a nation

*Since we're doing theories here*

He'll have to rebuild all his Espada if he's going to repopulate the Soul Society control structure with them!!!
Just think, "The 13 Court Guard Espada Squads" ...

To GWOtaku: Kubo already keeps all the members of the good team alive so the least he could do is let the bad guys stay dead.

[garfield15]

Also GW, Hueco Mundo arc logic dictates that arrancar who are evil and release their swords, die. (It's like the Akatsuki coat/make one of Luffy's crew member's cry thing).

This is probably the reason Wonderweiss is still alive (Other than the fact that he's awesome)

[Lelouch]

Also GW, Hueco Mundo arc logic dictates that arrancar who are evil and release their swords, die. (It's like the Akatsuki coat/make one of Luffy's crew member's cry thing).

This is probably the reason Wonderweiss is still alive (Other than the fact that he's awesome)


Grimmjaw?

[garfield15]

That's something someone gotta explain to me. (Much like Toushiro) I know people are free to like whoever it is that they like, but where does all this Wonderweiss love come from? Is it because he's overly drifting off somewhere else, or his childish demeanor? I have nothing against him, but I'm no fan of his either.

I don't particularly like the shota-bait characters (although it does make for good jokes with Tousen) but Wonderweiss looks like he can seriously kick butt given that 5 minutes we saw him going off on Urahara


Grimmjaw?
Ah, but he's not technically evil anymore now is he?

[Rud]

That's something someone gotta explain to me. (Much like Toushiro) I know people are free to like whoever it is that they like, but where does all this Wonderweiss love come from? Is it because he's overly drifting off somewhere else, or his childish demeanor? I have nothing against him, but I'm no fan of his either.

theres a theory out there, when he came to earth with Yammi, Grimjow and that other guy, Soul Society classed him in the same class as the Espada. Also, he is the latest arrancar to be made with the distortion orb at 50% release, the highest itd been up to that point, and Its already been established or at least implied that the more released the orb is the more powerful it is and the better the Arrancar it makes. URAHARA LOOKED AT HIM OMINOUSLY!!!, so, in all probability hes made of pure badass. Hell, he could be the most badass Arrancar out there.

Once the distortion orb is fully complete Aizen will probably be able to make arrancar that dwarf the espada we have now.

[thenewme93]

I think he's dead. Unless he can regenerate, or Unohana gets to him, there's no one there that's going to heal him. But then again, I guess there's gotta be someone who can get Ichigo and gang out of Hueco Mundo.


Gotcha. Seeing his name just pop up all over the place for the past couple of days kind of got me curious, that's all. :)

It's a strange theory, too seeing as how that character is mentally ill.

[Lelouch]

I think he's dead. Unless he can regenerate, or Unohana gets to him, there's no one there that's going to heal him. But then again, I guess there's gotta be someone who can get Ichigo and gang out of Hueco Mundo.


Eh, I don't think he is dead. I may have missed a chapter, but the last thing that happened to him was Nnoitora cutting him once, correct? I think Grimmjaw will only die in a proper death scene, not one like that (if he were to die, which I don't think he will). Plus, Kubo can't kill all of the Espada...

And where is Nel?

[RockmanDash]

Eh, I don't think he is dead. I may have missed a chapter, but the last thing that happened to him was Nnoitora cutting him once, correct? I think Grimmjaw will only die in a proper death scene, not one like that (if he were to die, which I don't think he will). Plus, Kubo can't kill all of the Espada...

And where is Nel?

Nel was last seen sleeping on the ground when Nnoitora was looking at her thinking back to his past and dying in the end.

I don't see why some of you guys think Grimmjow died, he's the Espada who never goes down like that. If anything Grimmjow is just laying on the ground still and going to be waken up eventually.

[zoombie]

Plus, Kubo can't kill all of the Espada...

I agree, I think at least one or two of the Arranchar's will survive and not necessary turn to the side of the Soul Reapers, but turn neutral. Like what happened to the Bounts in the anime.

[RockmanDash]

Why not think he's dead? Yes, Grimmjow's not the type to stay down off a cut like that (was the cut even deep?), but I'd rather imagine the worst case scenario instead of going with the typical "there should be one espada that survives and betrays Aizen". (Not a pot shot if anyone's thinking that :D)

However, bringing up Nel.. She'd probably heal Grimmjow.... >_> How far did the fight stray away from him anyway?

It would be hilarious if Grimmjow was getting stepped on the whole time by Kenpachi, Nel, and Nnoitora. xD

[Rocketboy]

355

Things....aren't looking hot for the captains right now.

[Rolling Cloud]

Spoilerz make me happy right now...

んじゃ超簡易ですまん＞＜

タイトルは英語で長かったからもちろん覚えてない！
Since the title is in English, of course I forgot it!
扉絵は　現在戦ってる　ヒゲダンディ・静かなｲｹﾒｿ
Title page is in the real world: Shunsui and Stark
　　　　　　　キング　　　・蜂女～ぽっちゃり
Barragan, Soi Fon and Oomaeda
　　　　　　　　　　　氷竜　　　　・鮫女
Hitsugaya and Halibel

吉良　そんな馬鹿な…　と上を見ながらボソっと呟く
Kira: He looks up and mutters, "No way!"
静かなｲｹﾒｿの斬撃を何とかかわすヒゲダンディしかし笠に食らってしまい
Stark exchanges attacks with Shunsui, but he can only get Shunsui's hat.
ヒゲダンディ　ふ～やるね～
Shunsui
静かなｲｹﾒｿ　　そっちもこっちの斬撃を笠も服も飛ばされずによく避ける
Stark: Your hat and clothes aren't too good at avoiding my attacks.
ヒゲダンディ笠の斬られた間から汗と血
Sweat and blood trickle out from where Shunsui's hat is cut.
場面は変わり
Scene changes
キング　やれやれ２人なのに一歩もワシを動かすことが出来ないとは…
Barragan: My or my, even with both of you you aren't able to move me.
ぼろぼろの２人…キングが王座からトマホークの武器を取り出す
Soi Fon and Oomaeda are worn out..Barragan withdraws a tomahawk from his throne.
キング　　　さてどっちからやるか
Barragan: Now, which one of you?
ぽっちゃり　隊長そろそろいいんじゃないですか？
Oomaeda: Captain, isn't it about time?
蜂女　　　　なんだ？
Soi Fon: What?
ぽっちゃり　そろそろ力も溜まってきたころだし限定解除しましょうよ！
Oomaeda: It's time for us to gather our strength and release the limit!
キング　　　まだ何かあるのか？面白いやってみろ！
Barragan: There's still more? This out to be interesting!
蜂女　　　　もうすでに限定解除した状態でやってるんだが…
Soi Fon: We've already released our limit...
ぽっちゃり　＞＜
Oomaeda: (reaction)
場面は変わり
Scene changes
氷竜ＶＳ鮫女
Hitsugaya vs Halibel
すまんわすれたが
討て！なんちゃら～　で鮫女帰刃状態へ
Halibel releases and turns into a shark lady.
氷竜　（あれがやつらが帰刃している状態か油断はできねい～　っていってる所）
Hitsugaya: (
鮫女が一閃
Halibel fires a cero.
氷竜の右肩から足まで真っ二つ
Hitsugaya's cut in two from his right shoulder down to his legs.
血が飛び出す描写が
We see blood flying out.
鮫女　所詮この程度か氷の竜など鮫の一撃で海に沈む
Halibel: It only took that for the shark to sink the ice dragon into the sea.
終了
The end

[Scirel]

Spoilers : O.O



So THAT'S why Grimmjow wasn`t a shark, even though he looked it. He was saving the shark for Halibel.

Looks like we'll see soifon's bankai against barragan.

Is Hitsugaya...dead? That's probably the worst "injury" anyone has suffered in all of bleach, but since he is so high on the popularity charts, he probably won`t die.

[ShadowGUN]

Oh boy . The Hitsugaya fangirls aren't gonna be happy about this turn of events.

[Rud]

The Vaizard could show up any minute now....... any minute now...

[anime_guru]

The Vaizard could show up any minute now....... any minute now...

the what now?

seriously I forgot we even had vaizards...do they really exist? haven't seen them in so many chapters good lord

[garfield15]

Since I'm the only guy who actually thinks Toshirou is cool, I'm very sad right now if things go the bad way.

Then again, it's not like Kubo kills the good guys on a daily basis

[Scirel]

Since I'm the only guy who actually thinks Toshirou is cool, I'm very sad right now if things go the bad way.

Then again, it's not like Kubo kills the good guys on a daily basis


Waitaminute, this is a spoiler THREAD. I don`t think we need to talk in spoiler boxes. XD Seriously though, No Good guy has died in this manga so far. Hitsugaya would actually be the first "hero death" in the entire series.

[RockmanDash]

Yet one thing we can learn from Bleach is guys... everyone always gets deep bloody wounds and somehow still live. Hitsugaya is not the type of character Kubo would just kill off to a shark lady.

But then again..we got rid of it Ulqui..maybe now we can get rid of another fan girl character.. Hitsu..

[Lelouch]

/beats Megaman X

ULQUIORRA IS NOT DEAD! HOW DARE YOU SPREAD THAT BLASPHEMY!

But on a side note, I can't stand Hitsugaya so I hope he bites the dust.

[garfield15]

/beats Megaman X

ULQUIORRA IS NOT DEAD! HOW DARE YOU SPREAD THAT BLASPHEMY!

First of all, yes, he is. He released his sword and he's not an anti-hero/good guy. He's dead

(Unless Kubo decides to break Hueco Mundo arc rules for some reason)


But on a side note, I can't stand Hitsugaya so I hope he bites the dust.
Second of all,

So you dislike Hitsugaya and you want Ulquiorra alive?

You must be Bizarro-garfield15! Back from the Phantom Zone to ruin my reputation again are you!? I won't stand for it!

[Lelouch]

First of all, yes, he is. He released his sword and he's not an anti-hero/good guy. He's dead

(Unless Kubo decides to break Hueco Mundo arc rules for some reason)

Second of all,

So you dislike Hitsugaya and you want Ulquiorra alive?

You must be Bizarro-garfield15! Back from the Phantom Zone to ruin my reputation again are you!? I won't stand for it!

Silence you! Let me have my pitiful hope that he is alive...please?

Uh...Well, I USED to like Hitsugaya, but honestly I just don't think he is strong enough to be a captain, and I really think if Matsumoto had bankai she would own him.

[Rud]

dude, i dont even know why hes even trying to fight Halibel, back when he was fighting that fodder arrancar that came to earth with Grimjaw and those other fodder arrancar, he himself said that if he had fought him at full power initially instead of later (cause of the limiter) he would've lost, he only got him cause of the surprise (i guess).

And he thinks he has a chance against the #3??

(By, Ikkaku beat his fodder Arrancar at full power, he has no limiter, from the beginning, not cause of some surprise limiter technicality, personally, i don't think ice boy should even be a captain).

[warnerbroman]

first Giratina now

http://arkeis.com/images/pokemonfactory/garchomp.png

[Neo Ultra Mike]

Originally posted by hehey
dude, i dont even know why hes even trying to fight Halibel, back when he was fighting that fodder arrancar that came to earth with Grimjaw and those other fodder arrancar, he himself said that if he had fought him at full power initialy instead of later he wouldve lost, he only got him cause of the surprise.

And he thinks he has a chance against the #3??

Actually that was Renji who thought he might not of won if he had gone full out on his opponent to begin with. Hitsagaya was mad/saddened because he had to go full power out on a gillian class espada (well they were classifed as gillians at the time but were later referred to as Privaron Adujcahas). We saw that at absolute full power Hitsaguya was able to take out Luppi who was the 6th espada. Then again Luippi was weaker then Grimmjow, who is 3 ranks below Halibel so obviously he had no chance in this fight.

Still I don't even know why Halibel had to release anyway. What to just further drive in the facth e coudln't win? Didn't seem necessary. Shushei dosen't seem to be doing too bad against Stork but Soi Fon better start using that Bankai and get Omeda to step back to even stand a chance against Barrigan. Really now is not the time to be holding back under any conidition. It'd be annoying if the Vizards came before we got to see Shushei and Soi Fon go all out against they're opponents. Because really it just proves that Kubo can only show certain characters powers and really by this point that's a liablity, not a strength.

[Rud]

^^yeah..... i was totally wrong, my bad.

[Lelouch]

I'm thinking the Vizard will show up just as Aizen and company are breaking out of the fire, which should give Soi Fon the chance to use Bankai.

I also want to see Stark own Shushei, he is the #1 Espada, I expect him to be holding back right now, considering he doesn't seem to thrilled with Aizen's ideals...

One thing is for sure, the Vizard BETTER show up at some point, I want to know if the Vizard are equal in strength as the Arrancar, if not more powerful.

[Rud]

^^The Vaizard have to be as strong if not stronger than these guys, Ichigo beat Grimmjaw just cause he was able to keep his mask on longer, these guys have a far greater mastery of the mask (and its hollow powers) than he does, even the Vice Caps among them should be strong enough.

[Novapocalypse]

Hitsugaya won't die. I he was the most popular character in the series at one point for God's sake. Plus he apparently has the potential to be as strong as Yamamoto only with ice rather than fire. Kubo won't kill him off. I am pretty sure the Shinigami will have a rough time with the rest of the Espada.

Even worse, if Yammy is apparently stronger than Halibel now, who just owned Toshiro, this means that the only one in Hueco Mundo who stands a chance against him would be Unohana, since Kenpachi and Byakuya struggled against Ichigo(who I seriously doubt could beat him) and Mayuri was owned by Ishida in the Soul Society.

[warnerbroman]

Hitsugaya won't die. I he was the most popular character in the series at one point for God's sake. Plus he apparently has the potential to be as strong as Yamamoto only with ice rather than fire. Kubo won't kill him off. I am pretty sure the Shinigami will have a rough time with the rest of the Espada.

Even worse, if Yammy is apparently stronger than Halibel now, who just owned Toshiro, this means that the only one in Hueco Mundo who stands a chance against him would be Unohana, since Kenpachi and Byakuya struggled against Ichigo(who I seriously doubt could beat him) and Mayuri was owned by Ishida in the Soul Society.I bet that the "1" will dissipate

[Rud]

I bet that the "1" will dissipate

Leaving what??

[warnerbroman]

Leaving what??http://animehistory.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/snapshot20080520021058.jpg

[RockmanDash]

Well you guys never know, Hitsugaya could very well have a new trick up his sleeve but.. really a Vizard save seems to be most likely.

As for Hitsugaya reasons as a captain, it's most only because he is a boy genius and had a high spirit pressure which just moved him up in the ranks.

[Luna]

I doubt he'll kill off Hitsugaya,seeing as he's one of the most popular characters (if not,the most popular),if so,it'd be interesting,though (I feel for Hitsugaya about the same as I do for Ulquiorra...I don't dislike him,but he's not a character I care alot about either)...

[Mr. Obsession]

So, Halibel is a Street Shark? And here I was thinking that Stark’s would actually be a shark, what with his shark tooth style necklace.

And while it shouldn’t surprise me that Kubo did that to Hitsugaya, not after what he already did to Matsumoto (who he’s already stated in interviews is one of his favorite characters), I'm still caught off guard.


Looks like we'll see soifon's bankai against barragan. Maybe, but I don't know. She already told Omaeda that her shikai is her strongest attack.


Seriously though, No Good guy has died in this manga so far. Hitsugaya would actually be the first "hero death" in the entire series.That might depend. We still don't know if Kira's a good enough healer to help Matsumoto. And we haven't seen Iba at all since Allon's cero hit him.


First of all, yes, he is. He released his sword and he's not an anti-hero/good guy. He's deadGrimmjow counts as an anti-hero now?


I bet that the "1" will dissipateIf Yammy can release to become the "0 Espada," then obviously by Kubo's logic Stark's release state will make him the "∞ Espada."

[FireStarterLE]

So, Halibel is a Street Shark? And here I was thinking that Stark’s would actually be a shark, what with his shark tooth style necklace.


But which one

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a283/FireStarterSE/street_sharks.jpg

... hmmm

[Captain Highwind]

Hitsugaya won't die. I he was the most popular character in the series at one point for God's sake. Plus he apparently has the potential to be as strong as Yamamoto only with ice rather than fire.

Yes, BUT...there's no need for two ice-users in this series, and Rukia has a funner attack phrase (as the animators on Bleach will tell you, since they keep reusing the same animation for it over and over.) Hitsuguya doesn't really do anything with his bankai other than freeze the opponent at the end. Before that, he just sits there floating in the air taking beatings, as displayed in this chapter.

But neither really has much accuracy, so let a competent ice-user come in...they should both watch their back.


I bet that the "1" will dissipate


Leaving what??

Then we open up the can of worms known as negative numbers.

[anime_guru]

I think hitsugaya won't die but I personally think that since hitsu has an iced power zanpaktou can't he create the image of him being defeated when in fact he is sitting back in the fold and waiting to do a devastating attack? Considering he can manipulate the vapor molecules around him, that I can definitely see happening...who thinks it'll happen I doubt it...but still nice to see

at any rate as far as soi fon's strongest form is her shikai is a bit of a shame since she has some better mastery of shunko. stark v shunsuei is becoming ever so interesting just because these two are the laziest and probably strongest captains out there. I actually expect the vaizards to come and further my point that

older captains and older squad of gotei 13 > newer squad

as for yammy, wow that's a bit scary if he is the top espada considering many things about high level espada appearing more human (save from halibel). As we have moved up into the espada ladder, we note that they look very human, but yammy does not...I dunno kinda violates everything we knew about them:sad:

At least this is a chapter I cna read

[Majin_Megabyte]

pic is out. And he was doomed to the start.

http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/7159/mcfzv9.png

[warnerbroman]

pic is out. And he was doomed to the start.

http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/7159/mcfzv9.pngOH shi---- than worse than his second in command

[garfield15]

pic is out. And he was doomed to the start.

http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/7159/mcfzv9.png
Oh....DAMN!

Momo's not gonna be happy...

(Is that like the entire right half of his body!?)

[Majin_Megabyte]

Yes, that he is entire right half of his body.

[Humble]

He's down for the count unless he pulls out some crazy ability like making temporary limbs out of ice.

[Mr. Obsession]

Not really half, more like a quarter of his body. :p But still, ouch.

Also, released Halibel is looking pretty hot. Hurray for facial tattoos.

[Mr. Obsession]

I like how the look on his face practically says: "But my popularity was supposed to guarantee my victory. Why Kubo, why?"

[FireStarterLE]

Luckily for Hitsu. Hachi (of the Visoreds) seems to have healing powers like those of Orihime, so he may yet have a chance.

[Beat]

No one heroic dies in Bleach. It's like One Piece, only it's just the good guys that avoid death. Hitsuyga die, with his polls? You'd be more likely to see Rukia kick the bucket or Kubo to use less ink.

[warnerbroman]

He's down for the count unless he pulls out some crazy ability like making temporary limbs out of ice.that's what I am thinking too

I noticed something

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/bleach/en/images/c/c8/Soken.jpg


http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/bleach/en/images/0/04/Barragan_Luisenbarn.jpg

[Baseball]

.Maybe, but I don't know. She already told Omaeda that her shikai is her strongest attack.
Mistranslation. She just said "Don't say anything that will give our attack secrets away."

Holy moly. The Espada are seriously bad news bears. I thought, due to how easily the Fracción were taken down, this would be a breeze for the captains. Man...it's ridiculous how much stronger the top brass are. Barragan's giant freakin' tomahawk is crazy. Hitsugaya is seriously finished--broken sword and missing an arm and a leg. I think the Visoreds are definitely going to have to step in and show them what they can do.

Edit: Also, all of the upper Espada seem to be based on animals? Pantera, Santa Teresa, Murciélago, Tiburón...Wonder what Barragan and Stark are.

[Paul_Cousins]

Good chapter. And a very interesting surprise from Soul Reaper Soifon.

The Soul Reaper captains usually have a power limiter put on them when they go to the Earth Realm.

That limiter is not currently in place in the fight with the Arrancar on Earth. Meaning the Soul Reaper Captains are already fighting at full strength. And the way Soifon put it, it sort of felt like that the Soul Reaper were royally screwed in their fight.


that's what I am thinking too

I noticed something

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/bleach/en/images/c/c8/Soken.jpg


http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/bleach/en/images/0/04/Barragan_Luisenbarn.jpgThat is an interesting point. I wonder if he is Uryu's grandfather. Or what was left of Uryu's grandfather's soul after Mayuri got finished with him.

Maybe Aizen stole what was left of Uryu's grandfather's soul, figuring he could use a quincy in his Arrancar expriments benificial.

It would be the first time Aizen did something like this, the whole situation with Soul Reaper Kaien Shiba and the hollow Aizen experiment on, Metastacia.

[zoombie]

All you guys awaiting a Vizard save, be cautious my friend, because there is no guarantee which side they will help. Incase you forget they are not on anybody's side. Remember Shinji said they were grateful to both Urahara and Aizen.

[anime_guru]

context here context
remember that he is only grateful to aizen for the power not for everything that happened as a result (eg being expelled from soul society, the killing and the treachery)
shinji is truly in debt to uahara, where with aizen he wants revenge - something he wanted from the start

as for the chapter itself the highlight was stark and shunsuei (they're both fighting on par, and I imagine they will be fighting on par for a bit of time while everyone gets picked off)

second and greater highlight is halibel. she's a babe! Where in the world is chizuru at? *thinks of a hilarious filler moment that will never be* but does she too have a second release state like devil man? Time will tell.

I'm pretty sure vaizard will come...eventually...either that or yamamoto will do something else...last time he actually waved his sword was in the fall sometimes. He could do a bit more to help. And for that matter what of lilinette and ukitake? I mean even if ukitake will clearly show he is the stronger fighter...

[Captain Highwind]

I chuckled on the first page seeing all the beat-up shinigami. Iba got schooled off scene.

And finally! A release that looks dignified, from Halibel naturally.

And I know there's a RPG joke somewhere in the fact that the old man Espada's an ax-wielder, but I can't think of one at the moment...

[garfield15]

http://i350.photobucket.com/albums/q422/j_reader/motivator9932188.jpg

http://i350.photobucket.com/albums/q422/j_reader/motivator35043.jpg

Hmm...I wonder where I got the idea from the last one from....(whistles and slowly backs out)

[warnerbroman]

Halibel must be a yachechomp

there something off about his arm....

[Captain Highwind]

Halibel must be a yachechomp

there something off about his arm....


Yeah, that was bothering me too. I think the ice around him covers his arms to make them look bird-like.

But still, it looks shriveled up or something.

[Baseball]

Yeah, that was bothering me too. I think the ice around him covers his arms to make them look bird-like.

But still, it looks shriveled up or something.
That's his leg. Remember, his feet turn into ice-dragon claws. His arm is holding the sword.

Also, Iba didn't get schooled off screen--he got directly blasted by Aeon's cero.

[FireStarterLE]

Remember Shinji said they were grateful to both Urahara and Aizen.

I'm pretty sure when he said they were "grateful" to aizen every single one of them had a not so very nice look in their eyes.

I think their being grateful goes as far as "I'm grateful you gave us this power" and then turns to "... now I'm going to use it to kill you".

They were former captains, lieutenants, and vice-captains in Soul Society and then all of a sudden thanks to Aizen's experiments they are kicked out (going to be killed).

No with all Aizen put them through, their meaning of grateful has a whole lot of sarcasm behind it.

[Fool's Gil]

Agreed. I have no complaints about her release.

:evil:That's what he said!:evil:

But seriously, I didn't expect for the chapter to unfold like that. I figured Yamamoto would be doing anything but wait around, and that the Soul Reapers would have the enemy on the ropes. If the Court Guard can't even take out the Espada, what makes them think they'll last against Aizen?

[warnerbroman]

:evil:That's what he said!:evil:

But seriously, I didn't expect for the chapter to unfold like that. I figured Yamamoto would be doing anything but wait around, and that the Soul Reapers would have the enemy on the ropes. If the Court Guard can't even take out the Espada, what makes them think they'll last against Aizen?so far only the young ones are having trouble

number 8 and 13 seem to be par enough being #1's favorites


I can't wait for halibels fanart

[XOMiss_Samantha]

......you have got to be kidding! NOOO HITSUGAYA!!!! Last week we have the death of Ulquiorra and now Toshirio's body is being sliced in half! While he isn't nearly my favorite character, I'm kind of surprised they chose to wound him so badly.

[zoombie]

I'm pretty sure when he said they were "grateful" to aizen every single one of them had a not so very nice look in their eyes.

I think their being grateful goes as far as "I'm grateful you gave us this power" and then turns to "... now I'm going to use it to kill you".

They were former captains, lieutenants, and vice-captains in Soul Society and then all of a sudden thanks to Aizen's experiments they are kicked out (going to be killed).

No with all Aizen put them through, their meaning of grateful has a whole lot of sarcasm behind it.

What I meant was, them be more anti Soul Society than pro Aizen. They are grateful to Urahara, but that doesn't mean they are still not POd at the Soul Society for turning their backs on them.

[warnerbroman]

halibel's sword reminds me of knightmare's souledge

[FlyByNite77]

Maybe Kubo is going anti-fangirl. Byakuya, Kira, and Renji better keep their heads down if that's the case... lolz

But wow. ToshirOWNED

I'd have to say the Vaizards should be stronger then a lot of these Captains. They've been Captains or Vice-Captains much longer then most and the whole point of adding hollow powers to a Shinigami was to break the power limit of a shinigami and make them even stronger. So logically they should be stronger then a fellow captain or vice-captain of their era.

[Captain Highwind]

Yes, it's fairly a given that the Vaizards are going to show up. But when?

They're probably still stoicly walking through the garage door at their headquarters. Who knows how long that will take.

[Novapocalypse]

Kubo hates Squad 10.

[garfield15]

They're probably still stoicly walking through the garage door at their headquarters. Who knows how long that will take.

Shinji: Let's go (They are walking through the door)
Love: Wait..
Shinji: What's wrong
Love: I have to use the bathroom
Hiyori: WHAT THE HELL? NOW!?
Love: I gotta go now.
Hachigen: Actually I also need to go
Rose: Oh dear. I just realized my guitar needs to be tuned
Lisa: Can't that wait!?
Rose: You never understand the important things in my life! (runs away sobbing)
Love: Can I go to the bathroom?
Shinji: Rose! Love, you....ugh, fine make it quick
Rose: Cool
Hiyori: Shinji! Dammit we've gotta get to the battle
Mashiro: I actually feel like sleeping! Goodnight! (sleeps on the floor)
Kensei: Are you guys serious, this battle is...(stomach growls) Whoops, gotta fill the tank for a sec
Hiyori: WHAT!?
Hachigen: I still need to use the bathroom
Shinji: GOD, HOLD IT! Besides, Love is in there now!
Lisa: You're all idiots!
Rose: MUSIC!
(Mashiro is still asleep on the floor)
Hiyori: (facepalms) This...isn't really happening right?
Hachigen: The bathroom...
Shinji: USE A BOTTLE
Hachigen: I can't use a bottle!
Hirako: (forcing it in his hands) USE THE DAMN BOTTLE! LISA CAN YOU GET LOVE OUT THE TOILET?
Lisa: I don't think I want to go near that place right now...
Love: (from bathroom) Whoo! That's one that you don't want to see later
Kensei: Gotta have my BLT! (sits on still sleeping Mashiro)
Rose: MY MUSIC!
Shinji: Can't we all just go already and....Oh wait, I have to use the bathroom
(Hiyori kicks Shinji in the balls)

^^^That's probably what's happening right now.

[FlyByNite77]

Shinji: Let's go (They are walking through the door)
Love: Wait..
Shinji: What's wrong
Love: I have to use the bathroom
Hiyori: WHAT THE HELL? NOW!?
Love: I gotta go now.
Hachigen: Actually I also need to go
Rose: Oh dear. I just realized my guitar needs to be tuned
Lisa: Can't that wait!?
Rose: You never understand the important things in my life! (runs away sobbing)
Love: Can I go to the bathroom?
Shinji: Rose! Love, you....ugh, fine make it quick
Rose: Cool
Hiyori: Shinji! Dammit we've gotta get to the battle
Mashiro: I actually feel like sleeping! Goodnight! (sleeps on the floor)
Kensei: Are you guys serious, this battle is...(stomach growls) Whoops, gotta fill the tank for a sec
Hiyori: WHAT!?
Hachigen: I still need to use the bathroom
Shinji: GOD, HOLD IT! Besides, Love is in there now!
Lisa: You're all idiots!
Rose: MUSIC!
(Mashiro is still asleep on the floor)
Hiyori: (facepalms) This...isn't really happening right?
Hachigen: The bathroom...
Shinji: USE A BOTTLE
Hachigen: I can't use a bottle!
Hirako: (forcing it in his hands) USE THE DAMN BOTTLE! LISA CAN YOU GET LOVE OUT THE TOILET?
Lisa: I don't think I want to go near that place right now...
Love: (from bathroom) Whoo! That's one that you don't want to see later
Kensei: Gotta have my BLT! (sits on still sleeping Mashiro)
Rose: MY MUSIC!
Shinji: Can't we all just go already and....Oh wait, I have to use the bathroom
(Hiyori kicks Shinji in the balls)

^^^That's probably what's happening right now.

could get a filler episode out of that :sweat:

[garfield15]

could get a filler episode out of that :sweat:
That's at least 5 Shinigami Golden Cup's.

[Paul_Cousins]

Maybe Kubo is going anti-fangirl. Byakuya, Kira, and Renji better keep their heads down if that's the case... lolz

But wow. ToshirOWNEDNot only owned, but own by the badass power of 'heart'.

By a villian no less. :evil:

That's a crowning moment of awesome for the villianess, Halibel. :cool:

I just checked tvtropes, the scene is already listed as a crowning moment of awesome (bottom of page: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/CrowningMoment/Bleach

[zoombie]

I hope not all of the Arranchar are killed, and hope at least one, maybe even two of them survive and turn away from Aizen, and turn somewhat neutral. Like Kego of the Bounts, the surviver.

You think these surviving Arranchar would be expected into the Vizard? I would love to see that, they are opposites, but yet they are so the same.

[warnerbroman]

they are opposites, but yet they are so the same.like sableye and spiritomb or flygon and garchomp

[Paul_Cousins]

I hope not all of the Arranchar are killed, and hope at least one, maybe even two of them survive and turn away from Aizen, and turn somewhat neutral. Like Kego of the Bounts, the surviver.

You think these surviving Arranchar would be expected into the Vizard? I would love to see that, they are opposites, but yet they are so the same.That depends on one important thing. Are they still hungry for souls. Now with Kego, the bounts were able to figure how to feed directly on the spiritual power that makes up the "matter" of the soul society and as such souls were no longer needed for energy.

[zoombie]

That depends on one important thing. Are they still hungry for souls. Now with Kego, the bounts were able to figure how to feed directly on the spiritual power that makes up the "matter" of the soul society and as such souls were no longer needed for energy.

Well Urahara is around, anything can happen. He is the miracle worker, I never underestemate him. I still don't want to see a whole species get wipped out. That is a very simple message, let's just kill them all. Let's find some deeper. We already have Nel on our side.

[garfield15]

I hope not all of the Arranchar are killed, and hope at least one, maybe even two of them survive and turn away from Aizen, and turn somewhat neutral. Like Kego of the Bounts, the surviver.

You think these surviving Arranchar would be expected into the Vizard? I would love to see that, they are opposites, but yet they are so the same.
I'd prefer for Grimmjow to not die or that loli arrancar either (protect them! :p) It will look kind of dark to see her get cut down.

Plus, if she lives, there's the chance Ukitake could adopt her! That would lead to some interesting Shinigmi's cup's

Ukitake: Well, make yourself at home
Lilinette: You're not gonna do anything weird are you?
Ukitake: What? Oh no...of course not
Lilinette: Good, cause I...
Ukitake: (Whips out maid outfit) I just want you to wear this at all times when you're around the office!

[zoombie]

I'd prefer for Grimmjow to not die or that loli arrancar either (protect them! :p) It will look kind of dark to see her get cut down.

We think a like. I was thinking the same thing as far as who I want to survive and move on to live a life. I hate to keep bring up a filler character, but they both have qualties that remind me of Kego. Grimmjow with his strength and passion, Loli questioning everything. And of course I want Nel to survive as well.

Like it or hate it, I thought the Bount arc intentional or unintentional was precursor to things that happen in canon. Like the Soul Society turning their backs on the Vizards, just like they did to the Bounts. Ichigo's training with the Vizards, just like that weird training exercise the gang did with Urahara and those three Mod Souls, Aizen using the Estradas and the other Arranchar as his pawns, just like Kariya used the other Bounts as his pawns.

[Mr. Obsession]

Oh, hey. There's Iba. I guess no one continues to die in Bleach (except hollows, and in flashbacks).


Hmm...I wonder where I got the idea from the last one from....(whistles and slowly backs out)I lol'd, so hard.


Yes, it's fairly a given that the Vaizards are going to show up. But when? Probably when Yamamoto, Shunsui, and Ukitake are shown to be ineffectual against the top three. Or when Aizen gets tired of waiting behind Yamamoto’s fire wall and hax his way out.


I hope not all of the Arranchar are killed, and hope at least one, maybe even two of them survive and turn away from AizenBy this point I think Grimmjow and maybe Nel are the only ones likely to carry over to the next story arc.


That depends on one important thing. Are they still hungry for souls. Now with Kego, the bounts were able to figure how to feed directly on the spiritual power that makes up the "matter" of the soul society and as such souls were no longer needed for energy.Have we seen any arrancar (besides Yammy) consume souls? I was under the impression that since they had removed most of their mask and had taken a more human form the arrancar were no longer driven by the desire to consume souls.

Then again, what's in that tea Aizen gives them? >__>

[warnerbroman]

Probably when Yamamoto, Shunsui, and Ukitake are shown to be ineffectual against the top three. Or when Aizen gets tired of waiting behind Yamamoto’s fire wall and hax his way out.

I don't think that yamamoto will be ineffectual just out numbered maybe

[ShadowGUN]

Spoilers are out


-Hitsugaya is still alive and ready to fight again.
- Barragan released is called Skeleton Emperor. He look like Skeletor with an armor.
-Barragan explain the Way of Death of the Espada to Soi Fon.
-Barragan hurts Soi Fon with some attack.

[garfield15]

Okay, I can (somewhat) buy that he's still alive, but how is he still ready to fight? Kubo, the ball's in your court to not BS us on this (ICE LIMBS!!)

[Rud]

the fudge?, how the hell's Hitsugaya ready to fight again after that blow from last chapter, this is insane!

[CartoonOverlord]

And now for something completely different...

Hitsugaya: Tis but a scratch
Halibel: A scratch?! Your arm's off!
Hitsugaya: No it isn't.
Halibel: Then what's that then?!
Hitsugaya: I've had worse.
Halibel: You lie!
Histugaya: Come on you pansy!

Sorry, couldn't resist.:p

[Beat]

Kubo's wholesale ripping off of other character designs continues as freaking Skeletor fights Soi-fon. Not only do I not like Soifon, but...dude, Skeletor.

Skeletor.

[garfield15]

Kubo's wholesale ripping off of other character designs continues as freaking Skeletor fights Soi-fon. Not only do I not like Soifon, but...dude, Skeletor.

Skeletor.
Next week! Stark releases into Cobra Commander! :p

[kaine23]

By this point I think Grimmjow and maybe Nel are the only ones likely to carry over to the next story arc.
Which would be what exactly?

[Beat]

Next week! Stark releases into Cobra Commander! :p

"There will be none of your crap! None of it!"

[Don_East]

Spoilers are out


-Hitsugaya is still alive and ready to fight again.
- Barragan released is called Skeleton Emperor. He look like Skeletor with an armor.
-Barragan explain the Way of Death of the Espada to Soi Fon.
-Barragan hurts Soi Fon with some attack.

So he lives? ***SIGH*** I guess it was too good to be true.

Skeletor with armor? You mean like this?
http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/8179/goldskeletor.jpg

Or like this?

http://www.mastersunbound.com/MOTU%20toys%20images/MOTU-LF-battle_armor_skel_copia.JPG

[FireStarterLE]

A bit of both (http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a283/FireStarterSE/barragan.jpg) I guess you could say

the face naturally, but then the crown thing with a pendent on the chest thrown in there as well

[RockmanDash]

If Barragan's looks like that then I wonder what the heck will Stark turn into? And there is still the whole second released forms which are most likely @_@.

[CartoonOverlord]

I wouldn't say Barragan looks like Skeletor, he looks more like Anime Grim from that one episode of Billy and Mandy.:p

[FireStarterLE]

If Barragan's looks like that then I wonder what the heck will Stark turn into? And there is still the whole second released forms which are most likely @_@.



Ulquiorra boasts that among the Espada, only he possesses a second release form which even Aizen hasn't seen


You could read that quote (from a bleach wiki) two ways:
1 - Only Ulqui has a second release OR
2 - Out of all the Espada who have 2nd forms, he's the only one who hasn't shown Aizen his second release (meaning Aizen has seen all of them but his).

If it's Number 2, the Fake Karakura Town protectors will be limping back to the S.S. having been utterly defeated (even if they are eventually saved).

[RockmanDash]

You could read that quote (from a bleach wiki) two ways:
1 - Only Ulqui has a second release OR
2 - Out of all the Espada who have 2nd forms, he's the only one who hasn't shown Aizen his second release (meaning Aizen has seen all of them but his).

If it's Number 2, the Fake Karakura Town protectors will be limping back to the S.S. having been utterly defeated (even if they are eventually saved).

Ah I see! That makes more sense.

Anyone else find it funny how Aizen has been trapped in fire for almost a year?

[garfield15]

Ah I see! That makes more sense.

Anyone else find it funny how Aizen has been trapped in fire for almost a year?
You mean 10 minutes? Yeah....:p

[Bakasama]

Kubo's wholesale ripping off of other character designs continues as freaking Skeletor fights Soi-fon. Not only do I not like Soifon, but...dude, Skeletor.

Skeletor.

So if Skeletor beats Soi Fon, would that be a good thing?

[Scirel]

So if Skeletor beats Soi Fon, would that be a good thing?

I think he's poking fun at skeletor's success rate at his job. I've actually seen the old He Man episodes recently, and Skeletor has an absolutely rediculous amount of powers at his disposal, yet uses them so innefficiently that he's a complete idiot.

First of all, he constantly shows he has the ability to teleport anywhere at any time, even when restrained by He Man. He also has the ability to teleport his minions as well. Yet, He's never once thought of teleporting to castle greyskull and taking it over while everyone is asleep.

Secondly, Eternia has pretty much the worst defense ever. Sure, they have He-man, but aside from Him, Man at arms, and Teela(captain of the nonexistent guard, which is never, ever seen), there are virtually no soldiers in all of eternia. In one episode, Skeletor took over eternia, I`m not kidding, in five minutes while He-Man was doing something else. He once rammed a big airship into the side of the castle, turned Orko(who was with the King, BTW, and Heman was away) to stone, and just LEFT. Even though as shown beforehe could have killed the king and taken over the kingdom right then and there! I'd say with fair confidence that I could probably take over Eternia. It's pathetically easy.

[Paul_Cousins]

You could read that quote (from a bleach wiki) two ways:
1 - Only Ulqui has a second release OR
2 - Out of all the Espada who have 2nd forms, he's the only one who hasn't shown Aizen his second release (meaning Aizen has seen all of them but his).

If it's Number 2, the Fake Karakura Town protectors will be limping back to the S.S. having been utterly defeated (even if they are eventually saved).That could be read a third way.

3. Ulq didn't know the full abilities of the Espada. It would make sense for some Espada members would hide their full abilities from the rest of the group.

We have already seen such examples from Soul Repears that hide their full powers from the rest of the Soul Society.

[Rud]

well, maybe Aizen has an entire stash of "secret" arrancar with second releases that nobody knows about, that hel spring into action when the time is right. Wonderwise is one of them (maybe).

[Paul_Cousins]

well, maybe Aizen has an entire stash of "secret" arrancar with second releases that nobody knows about, that hel spring into action when the time is right. Wonderwise is one of them (maybe).This is Aizen, the Xanatos Gambit (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/XanatosGambit) master. He probably told most of the arrancar who gained a second release to keep it secret from the others.

Aizen did say when he was captured in Fake Karakura, that his arrancar would be more than able to handle the Soul Reaper Captains without him. And by the looks of those fights, he might be right.

[Novapocalypse]

Isn't it Golden Week in Japan? I didn't know a new chapter was released then.

[Mr. Obsession]

When there’s a big holiday like Golden Week, from what I’ve been told the major publishers tend to get their next issue ready in advance. Apathetic retailers in turn break street dates and we get manga earlier than scheduled. So right now I’m not expecting new chapters next week.

Also, not only is Barragan tossing Soi Fon around like a ragdoll pre-release, his release is surpassingly awesome. I like it.

And I guess Hitsugaya’s fangirls gave him emergency medical aid over the holiday. =\

[Oops]

When there’s a big holiday like Golden Week, from what I’ve been told the major publishers tend to get their next issue ready in advance. Apathetic retailers in turn break street dates and we get manga earlier than scheduled. So right now I’m not expecting new chapters next week.

Also, not only is Barragan tossing Soi Fon around like a ragdoll pre-release, his release is surpassingly awesome. I like it.

And I guess Hitsugaya’s fangirls gave him emergency medical aid over the holiday. =\
Mr. Obsession I'm not calling you out or trying to start a flame war.
The fangirl stuff I think is pretty lame, but I respect people opinions.

My comment is why the big deal because some "girls" happened to like the character, is it a crime? Why do some seem so bitter, although I haven't witness any bitterness on this board but on the others, oh boy!

I figure women and girls love Elvis, Brad Pitts, and even Bill Clinton so what. You can count me as a guy who likes the character and not afraid to admit it. I understand the wishing of death for certain characters because I've done it but I don't think you have to be catergorized for liking a character, either. Maybe Hitsuguya has alot more male fans who rather remain silent?

I'm just as nuts over Momo, Rangiku, Halle Berry, Meguru Kosaka, Mirai Haneda, and even Betty Rubble so what. Heck I'm even starting to worship Hanibel and she an evil, badass B' word! She would probably kill me but I like the character and I find her kinda hot. Big boobs and bad attitude!:p

I just find it funny with the fangirls comments because I know some guys are in there as well.:)

[Rud]

^dude, no way Bill Clinton has fan girls, just no way.

Anyway, how long was that fire wall supposed to hold Aizen & Co for anyway? (im assuming it had a particular time of operation, i don't really remember if it did or not).

[XOMiss_Samantha]

^dude, no way Bill Clinton has fan girls, just no way.


uhhhh
*Huge Bill Clinton Fangirl*

[Beat]

Hitsyuga's just lucky Kubo didn't make him fight Mumm-Ra or Brolly.

[Oops]

uhhhh
*Huge Bill Clinton Fangirl*
Boo-yah!

[Mr. Obsession]

Which would be what exactly?I assume that would be the whatever takes place after we finish "Fake Karakura Town" / "Escape from Hueco Mundo."


This is Aizen, the Xanatos Gambit (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/XanatosGambit) master. Seriously. Aizen is ready to open his own Xanatos Casino at this point.


Mr. Obsession I'm not calling you out or trying to start a flame war.
The fangirl stuff I think is pretty lame, but I respect people opinions. I only used “girls” because my understanding is that they represent the largest portion of the Hitusgaya’s fan base. But if it would make you feel better I can edit my post to read “fanboys”. ;)

For the record, I don’t hate Hitsugaya as a character. In fact the interaction between Hitsugaya and Matsumoto is actually one of the dynamics I enjoy the most in the series. Nor do I really feel that Kubo needs to start killing off 2/3’s of his cast, though I may joke about it. What I take issue with is the fact that Kubo has underdeveloped characters who could have gotten the chance to show off, but instead Hitsugaya shrugs off losing an arm (and a leg?) and keeps on fighting. Why? So Kubo can continue to try and validate his own databook rankings?

Besides, when the main character of the series had to struggle against the 4th Espada, and even then he didn’t win on his own, there’s no shame in someone else having to take Hitsugaya’s place to finish off the 3rd Espada.

[Rud]

^^dude, with Hitsugayas track record he should not even stand a snowballs chance of defeated the 3rd Espada, no way in hell.

[Oops]

^^dude, with Hitsugayas track record he should not even stand a snowballs chance of defeated the 3rd Espada, no way in hell.
His so called track record is debateable considering the different stats and views of his previous fight. And this is Bleach, anybody could pull a win at anytime.

[Beat]

His so called track record is debateable considering the different stats and views of his previous fight. And this is Bleach, anybody could pull a win at anytime.

Except Orihime.

*Ba dum chish!*

Lot of hatin on Hitsyuga. While I don't see why he's so popular, I can't exactly despise him either. He's just...there, or the straight man to Rangiku.

[Don_East]

Except Orihime.

*Ba dum chish!*
Boo! Boo! I heard better jokes on Rave Master! Get off the stage!



Lot of hatin on Hitsyuga. While I don't see why he's so popular, I can't exactly despise him either. He's just...there, or the straight man to Rangiku.
Let me just repost what I said in a talkback thread a couple months back...

Hoo boy, where to begin...

Well, he's minor character that insanely popular. Topping every main character, including Ichigo, in the character polls in Japan. This isn't like Sasuke, atleast he's a main character. Toshiro isn't even that important in terms of Soul Reaper captains. I felt that the "who killed Aizen" b-plot was one of the weakest moments in the Soul Society arc. It doesn't help that his first words of dialogue in the series "Great, old people talking" in a bored but arrogant tone.



All the while I ask why?

Why is he so popular?
Why is he a playable in Jump Ultimate Superstar?
Why does he get his own movie?

[Beat]

That's more confusing than anything. But I can't hate him for it. I can however, scratch my head while question marks appear.

[Novapocalypse]

Toshiro isn't my favorite character, but he is one that Kubo needs to develop more, because if he did he would be an awesome character.

Actually Renji probably has it the worst out of all Bleach characters. At one time he was a pretty strong fighter who rivaled Ichigo, right now he is pretty much just... well.... there.

[Rud]

Renji's probably as strong as Chad is, to bad for Renji unlike Chad i don't see how he could possibly get any stronger.


His so called track record is debateable considering the different stats and views of his previous fight. And this is Bleach, anybody could pull a win at anytime.
Touche.......

[Oops]

Toshiro isn't my favorite character, but he is one that Kubo needs to develop more, because if he did he would be an awesome character.

Actually Renji probably has it the worst out of all Bleach characters. At one time he was a pretty strong fighter who rivaled Ichigo, right now he is pretty much just... well.... there.
Renji does get my sympathies. He should be racing Ichigo everyday just because it would be funny and funny stuff makes me laugh.:p

[Luna]

I don't hate Toshiro either (well,let's see,positive things about him....he has an awesome-looking weapon,and he's kinda cute,I guess),I'm just not particularly fond of him....I do love his interactions with Matsumoto,though...

[zoombie]

I had a thought, did the Arrancar's make Orihime cook for them when she was captured? That would be a good way to fight them, with her cooking. Seriously that could have been comical material for a omake or a Shinigami Golden Cup.

[RockmanDash]

Actually they fed Orihime, remember Orihime had to stay in her room at all times unless Aizen ordered her to be somewhere.

[Rolling Cloud]

Just thought this was share-worthy:


PWCW: Now that Bleach has been going on for a bit, how do you keep the adventure and the story fresh?

TK: I think it maintains a freshness because when I create manga, I don’t think about what’s going to happen—I just come up with an idea and let it flow. It’s a weekly installment, so I have a very short time to create manga, but the good thing is that because it’s short, I can come up with the idea and start creating it.

PWCW: Have you ever gotten yourself into a situation that made you say, “Uh-oh”?

TK: I don’t really face that kind of situation because it’s a long story and sometimes I forget what’s happened in the past, but I read the previous volumes of Bleach and that usually helps me to create and have a new idea.

[Beat]

Holy Hatorade, it all suddenly makes sense! He really isn't keeping track of those plot points!

Maybe next week he'll forget Orihime exists.

[garfield15]

This...kind of explains a lot :p

[Paul_Cousins]

Seriously. Aizen is ready to open his own Xanatos Casino at this point.Aizen did. It's called Las Noches. ;)

[Captain Highwind]

TK: I don’t really face that kind of situation because it’s a long story and sometimes I forget what’s happened in the past, but I read the previous volumes of Bleach and that usually helps me to create and have a new idea.

Oh god. Isshin will never see the light of day again...

[Don_East]

Well, this does explain Grimmjow... And Isshin.... And the Vizards... And the Hollows... I could really go all night folks.


Maybe next week he'll forget Orihime exists.
And I'm gonna forget that lame joke. :p

[bigdeath]

Wow, so the author has no actually plan for were the story is going. He really is just making this all up as he goes. This explains so much. :sweat:

[RockmanDash]

Oh you gotta love Kubo.. he has no idea what the heck he's doing. So I'm guessing he's going to make something up at the last minute for that mask power up Ichigo got?

[zoombie]

How much longer till winter. The Arrancar arc began in fall, so how much longer till we get to the final battle, which I think despite the Soul Society's best efferts will find its way to Karakura Town.

[potogold]

Kubo should focus on the fan service of bleach. Meaning more Yourichi x Soi Fong goodness and Nell and Halibel skin candy.

[Neo Ultra Mike]

To be fair reading the interview it's not like he totally ignores continuity. It seems like he gets basic ideas, goes back to previous manga volumes he's done, reads them and papplies those ideas to his next set of chapters. Still it dosen't really say much on his planning ahead or planning overall. It would explain a lot of the annoying continuity problems with the series and yeah how he brings ideas up but neglects to do anymore with them. Really I do hope he's called out on this at some point and tries actually "cleaning up his act" in that regard.


Originally posted by zoombie
How much longer till winter. The Arrancar arc began in fall, so how much longer till we get to the final battle, which I think despite the Soul Society's best efferts will find its way to Karakura Town.

Uh with how Kubo's been ignoring his continuity I have a bad feeling he forgot the whole winter war angle. He probably set it up and was like "okay I can have them train for awhile and... uh wait what was I doing? Oh I know I'll have Oirhime get kidnapped again! Yeah that's brillant! Then ater that I can... oh espada battles, and more espada battles and hey I just re read that thing I did on the Vizards. Maybe I should expand on that. Okay enough of that, privaron battles, now espada battles and uh... probably more stuff I'm just goign to pull out of my as-"

[Beat]

Who's keeping track? Kubo just admitted he isn't.

[Captain Highwind]

Point being? Sure that interview explains a lot, however, that interview don't really mean much to me.

Well, I'm sure just about everyone writing a manga does this, but he didn't have to pop the bubble like that...

[Novapocalypse]

He said that in a USA SJ interview several months back.

[Oops]

Well, I'm sure just about everyone writing a manga does this, but he didn't have to pop the bubble like that...
It only becomes a big deal to the bitter fans who feels jaded fpr some reasons. I agree with Magus, the interview doesn't mean anything in the long run. If people feel upset or mad then stopped reading the material and look for something different. If not, then continue to feel bitter and rant about wasting the hours of your life you'll never get back. And the money you wished you never spent.:)

[Captain Highwind]

It only becomes a big deal to the bitter fans who feels jaded fpr some reasons. I agree with Magus, the interview doesn't mean anything in the long run. If people feel upset or mad then stopped reading the material and look for something different. If not, then continue to feel bitter and rant about wasting the hours of your life you'll never get back. And the money you wished you never spent.:)

Except I happen to like the characters, and feel like voicing my opinions thank you very much.

I wouldn't have hung onto the series this long if I didn't feel like it could go somewhere better (whereas Naruto is waning with me greatly because I don't like those characters at all).

[warnerbroman]

I think soi fon's bankai is a I hit Kill move but kills her too

[Oops]

Except I happen to like the characters, and feel like voicing my opinions thank you very much.

I wouldn't have hung onto the series this long if I didn't feel like it could go somewhere better (whereas Naruto is waning with me greatly because I don't like those characters at all).
Voice all you want but again its your opinion and everyone has one.

[RockmanDash]

I think soi fon's bankai is a I hit Kill move but kills her too

Not possible, Soi Fong most likely performed her bankai once in her life and had to practice with it as well, =P if the side effect was to 1 hit KO then she would of died already.

[Captain Highwind]

Voice all you want but again its your opinion and everyone has one.

I'm sorry, I just don't know what you're getting at with this.

[Oops]

I'm sorry, I just don't know what you're getting at with this.
Then I suggest we step back and take a breather.:)

[Beat]

Well Kubo flat out admitted to not keeping track of his plots. Controversey was bound to follow.

[Novapocalypse]

He has to at least do a little planning ahead. The Soul Society was full of different things that all lead to Aizen becoming the main antagonist.

[MeggieMay]

I still wonder if Kudo doesn't do some writing ahead but if he's claiming different, I don't know what to think.

Still, what he's saying does make sense in what happened to Tatski. She seemed to be a major character at one point but he seems to have forgotten that over the years :sweat:.

[warnerbroman]

wait is the only writer kubo?

[garfield15]

I still wonder if Kudo doesn't do some writing ahead but if he's claiming different, I don't know what to think.

Still, what he's saying does make sense in what happened to Tatski. She seemed to be a major character at one point but he seems to have forgotten that over the years :sweat:.
Call me an old fogey but I kind of miss the old pre-Soul Society days when it was a, Day-to-Day-fighting-monsters thing. I mean, yeah, we've got all these characters now and the plot is...um...er...well it's doing something, but I felt like Kengo, Tatsuki and the others were a lot more likeable than some of the current characters.

Not to say the current ones are bad, just kind of....let's just say Shizuru's antics and leave it at that :evil:

(Guess that's what fillers are for anyway)

[Captain Highwind]

Then I suggest we step back and take a breather.:)

Um, breathing checks out okay, thanks.


Still, what he's saying does make sense in what happened to Tatski. She seemed to be a major character at one point but he seems to have forgotten that over the years :sweat:.

Whatever he makes her into, I wasn't too crazy with the ferret bankai sketch.

[SigmasonicX]

wait is the only writer kubo?
Yes, that's the norm for manga. There's one person that does the story and art, and assistants that help him with the art, doing things like the background.

[garfield15]

-Um...what did Toshirou do to get his limbs back? I must have missed something.
-I love how Ulquiorra represents nihilism. Completely makes sense (BTW, Kubo, FMA did that better :p)

[Neo Ultra Mike]

originally posted by garfield15
-Um...what did Toshirou do to get his limbs back? I must have missed something.

Oh Toshirou never lost his limbs. Apparently the thing we saw get cut in half by Halibel's attack was an ice clone created by Hitsaguya's bankai that can only be used once in battle that is so real and lifelike it actually appears to bleed and register human emotions. But the real Hitsaguya was actually unharmed and still ready to fight.

.... Seriously Kubo that is one of the lamest cop outs I have ever seen. I know you're not planning things out well but that was the best plan you could think of after saying "hey you know what would be cool? Seeing Hitsuyga cut in half with one attack? But how do I revive him afterwards so the fangirls don't rip me apart? Oh I know, Ice clone. That makes TOTAL sense." Seriously how is there suppose to be any sense of peril for these characters in battle if you don't allow your heroes to die or even think about dying like that?

[Captain Highwind]

Renji looks so Godfather on that splash page.

[Baseball]

Kubo's really good at fashion design. I don't know if he's taking stuff from magazines or just making it up--I just know that I like it. I wish characters wore stuff like this more often, instead of just their Shihakusho or school uniforms.

[Don_East]

Hate to repeat myself but while Kubo may be a lousy writer, he's a good artist. The splash pages always prove that time and time again with the characters' clothing. Hell, look at the Uncyclopedia article for Bleach.

http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Bleach

[Mr. Obsession]

While I thought it was old news by now, I think some people are taking Kubo's quote slightly out of context. Yes he does make up a lot of things as he goes, I seem to recall one interview where he admitted that making Aizen the main villain occurred to him after he killed him (if I can find it I'll post it).

But there's also stuff that does show he has some things planned out. Remember Ichigo's latest hollow transformation? Remember the stealth preview of that very form from the chapter cover from two year prior? I also seem to recall an interview where Kubo said he had Issin's shinigami past in mind from the very beginning. How long between the beginning of the series and the actual reveal was that?

Sure we can focus on this:

TK: I think it maintains a freshness because when I create manga, I don’t think about what’s going to happen—I just come up with an idea and let it flow. It’s a weekly installment, so I have a very short time to create manga, but the good thing is that because it’s short, I can come up with the idea and start creating it.

But there's also this from the very next question:

TK: I don’t really face that kind of situation because it’s a long story and sometimes I forget what’s happened in the past, but I read the previous volumes of Bleach and that usually helps me to create and have a new idea.

While it's safe to say that, yes, Kubo does make some things up as he goes along, he's still going back and referencing his previous work to keep it mostly coherent. I'm not going to say I believe he knows how Bleach is going to end at this point, but I do have enough faith in him to believe that he does have some sort of plan laid out for the immediate future of the story. Plus, you know, he does have a Shonen Jump editor watching over everything.

[warnerbroman]

.... Seriously Kubo that is one of the lamest cop outs I have ever seen. I know you're not planning things out well but that was the best plan you could think of after saying "hey you know what would be cool? Seeing Hitsuyga cut in half with one attack? But how do I revive him afterwards so the fangirls don't rip me apart? Oh I know, Ice clone. That makes TOTAL sense." Seriously how is there suppose to be any sense of peril for these characters in battle if you don't allow your heroes to die or even think about dying like that?do you read naruto?

[zoombie]

Call me an old fogey but I kind of miss the old pre-Soul Society days when it was a, Day-to-Day-fighting-monsters thing. I mean, yeah, we've got all these characters now and the plot is...um...er...well it's doing something, but I felt like Kengo, Tatsuki and the others were a lot more likeable than some of the current characters.

Not to say the current ones are bad, just kind of....let's just say Shizuru's antics and leave it at that :evil:

(Guess that's what fillers are for anyway)

The good old days. But I would like for Keigo to have his be careful what you wish for, you might get it moment. Remember how paranoid and jealous he was of "Ichigo's secret club". I think a good Omake would be of him being chased by Hollows and running for his life and to scream "I change my mind, I don't want to be in your club."

Now onto the chapter, is just me or did it go by real fast. It is a okay chapter, how much longer till we find out what is happening with Ichigo after he beat Uliquiorra. Is Orihime finally out of the clutches of the Espada? What shape is Ichigo is in? That is the stuff that matters to me.

[Novapocalypse]

So each Espada's release are the ten major reasons for death?

Well, Toshiro hacked his way back into the battle, so fangirls should be pleased.

[FireStarterLE]

Halibel released last chapter

Barragan released this chapter .... I think you know where I'm going with this ;)

It has to mean Stark with be featured in the next chapter!

[ShadowGUN]

Speaking of Halibel released, her new form doesn't leave a lot of places to hide her Hollow hole which make me wonder where it is located? Knowing Kubo I bet is not in her arms or legs :sweat::p.

[garfield15]

speaking of halibel released, her new form doesn't leave a lot of places to hide her hollow hole which make me wonder where it is located? Knowing kubo i bet is not in her arms or legs :sweat::p.
Well maybe in her foot or her....Happy Thoughts!!!

[Baseball]

Speaking of Halibel released, her new form doesn't leave a lot of places to hide her Hollow hole which make me wonder where it is located? Knowing Kubo I bet is not in her arms or legs :sweat::p.
Now that you mention it, none of the top three seem to have them at all. What's the deal here? Nel too.

[RockmanDash]

I'm guessing the top 3 are the most human like which means they don't gain holes.

[Paul_Cousins]

Just read the latest chapter. It was great.

It seems that Hitsugaya still have a few

It is also nice that the Halibel actually cares for those under her and wishes to avenge them.

I am glad she and the other Espada are not just a two diminsional characters.

Also, it neat that each of the Espada incompass one of the ten aspects of death. Barragan's is probably the most dangerious with his aspect being "time" and how time can rot away and age anything to nothing.

On Barragan's released hollow form... :cool:

Mort (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RuleOfCool) called. He would like to have his mojo back. ;)

[Neo Ultra Mike]

Originally posted by Warnerbroman
do you read naruto?

Yeah I do and guess what: People actually DIE in nartuo. And not just villians either. But heroes as well. Off the top of my head I can think of Hayate, Third Hokage, Asuma, Jiraya, Shizune, and possibly even Kakashi. He might still be around but those other 5 died. And those were characters with actual names and personality and relevance to the story. I mean Jiraya was way more important to Naruto then Toshiru was to Bleach and he died. Besides yeah there's a lot of death cheats in Naruto but that's part of the art of Ninja stealth and tricker. 10th squad dosen't specalize in stealth and trickery at all. So having Toshiru pull an ice clone jutsu feels like kind of a cheat to me.


Originally posted by Mr. Toto
Now that you mention it, none of the top three seem to have them at all. What's the deal here? Nel too.

Actually Stark had it below his mask in his sterum. You can see it when he is woken up by Linette in the Hueco Mundo Arc. And to be fair if Yammi IS in the top 3 then he has his hollow hole shown as well. Really it's dependent on how important/reveleant it is if you even get you're hole shown. Or even your number. Let's go over this.

Yammy: 10/0 (Had his number and hole shown)
Aaronneiro: 9 (Had his number but not his hole shown)
Aporro Granz: 8 (Had neither number or hole shown)
Zommari: 7 (Had neither number or hole shown)
Grimmjow: 6 (Had both hole and number shown)
Nnoitra: 5 (Had both hole and number shown)
Ulqouirra: 4 (Had both hole and number shown)
Halibel: 3 (Had Number but not hole shown)
Barrigan: 2 (Had neither shown)
Stark: 1 (Had both shown).

Actually thinking about it the only ones who haven't had either showns are the Espada who were first seen in the Espada meeting at the start of the Hueco Mundo arc. The ones that appeared before that (Aareonrio and Hailbel in cameos) had at least they're numbers shown in some form.


Originally posted by Paul_Cousins
It is also nice that the Halibel actually cares for those under her and wishes to avenge them.

I am glad she and the other Espada are not just a two diminsional characters.

Well to be fair only a few Espada even get any sort of character development at all. I mean besides Halibel's sort of caring about those who served her the only character moments we got were really just with Ulqouirra, Grimmjow and perhaps Nnorotira at his death that weren't just the characters blathering on and on and on.

[Captain Highwind]

The boots and the giant fin sword makes me think Halibel doubles as a Mega Man boss...

Water Stage!

[garfield15]

Now here's something interesting that I had completely forgotten about. A poster on another forum brought this up.



Certainly Barrigan's ability seems to be very powerful... if not for the fact that those on Soul Society are supposed to have lived for an awfull lot of time. I mean, Rukia is like 150 years old, and she's young compared to most captains and other important figures.Not to mention that the most powerful member of Gotei 13 looks like the oldest person in there.
Also in chapter 24, Rukia said...

http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/6640/63816366.jpg

So for being able to kill a Shinigami by aging the "body" (wich by the way doesn't exist since Shinigami are spirits) instead of reducing it's spiritual energy means that Kubo has once again killed the story settings he set himself.....Oops?

[RockmanDash]

I think some of you guys are taking this a bit to far with the whole "Kuba is forgetting!" yeah it's very well true that Kubo has probably got a little sidetracked since he's been in the same arc for about a year now and things are finally moving a bit, but a thing to remember to is that we have no idea how these fights are going to go and end. Yet the Shinigami's lift force was a interesting one, but hey it's Rukia, a excuse for that one is that she did not realize that Shinigami could die from aging caused by certain powers.

[bigdeath]

Its a magical attack that makes a spiritual being have a mortal body and at their long ages that would make them dead.

I find it a rather clever way to kill a spirit. And its not like its a new idea. Turning an immortal (or nearly so) into a mortal in order to kill them is in no way a new idea.

I'm honesty suprised more people didn't see this one coming, its a rather old trick in the book. And when you've heard enough stories, you realise they always use the same old ticks. Its how they are used that matters. As long as this doesn't become the new attack everyone and their grandmother uses to kill soul reapers then it fine.

[Mr. Anime]

Well, Halibel came out of left field with that Shark thing (which in retrospect is really cool. How many female characters do you know that have shark motifs?) and Barrigan being a Grim Reaper type makes sense but I'm completely in the dark about what Stark going to be. So far we've had a panther (Grimmjow), a pray mantis (Nnoitra), a dinosaur(Yammy), a weird plant thing (Szayel), a pumpkin (Zommari), Cthulhu (Aaronneiro) and Devilman (Ulqouirra).

So, the things left for Stark are both few and varied. dragon could easily be possible, but so could, say, a wolf, a bear, or even a horseshoe crab at this rate.

[bigdeath]

I say stark is a Cheetah. That cat has speed which fits Stark and cats are lazy which also reflects him.

[garfield15]

I say stark is a Cheetah. That cat has speed which fits Stark and cats are lazy which also reflects him.
But we did cats already with Grimmjow....

I mean, I'm not saying that Kubo can't just do it again though.

[Beat]

Why does Stark have to be an animal? He might get another homage release like Ulq.

Or it just might be a big lipped alligator. The animal motif hasn't been set since Ulq.

[Captain Highwind]

I got all the others, but how is Halibel sacrifice again? It's not like it was known that she was going to lose her squad, so there's no way she was going to base herself on that random act.


Turning an immortal (or nearly so) into a mortal in order to kill them is in no way a new idea.

Well to be more specific in this case, inflicting osteoporosis on the enemy. :3

[Neo Ultra Mike]

Originally posted by Beat
Why does Stark have to be an animal? He might get another homage release like Ulq.

Or it just might be a big lipped alligator. The animal motif hasn't been set since Ulq.

Two things wrong with that.

1. Ulqourra was abased on a bat.

2. Halibel who was seen AFTER Ulqourria is based on a shark which is another animal.


Originally posted by Captain Highwind
I got all the others, but how is Halibel sacrifice again? It's not like it was known that she was going to lose her squad, so there's no way she was going to base herself on that random act.

Maybe her ultimate attack is some sort of sacrifice just like one of Barrigan's special abilities in aging. Maybe she can generate the greatest attack out of all the Espada but at the same time it costs her life so it would only be used as a last resort or something.

[ShadowGUN]

Look like Soi Fon and Histsugaya are gonna need a hand( and probably an arm) with the Espadas.

Soi Fon left arm is getting rotten because of Barragan breath. She ask Omaeda to cut her arm off and he does. Meawhile Hitsugaya attack on Halibel backfires and get a blown away by direct hit of a piece of his own ice.

[garfield15]

Wow, Toshirou seems to be just made of suck these days isn't he?

[Novapocalypse]

Well, it's official, the Shinigami suck. One chapter Toshiro gets owned, the next he comes back ready to fight, and then get's owned again.

[Neo Ultra Mike]

Hitsaguya should be owned by Halibel. Let's forget the fact that last I checked his strongest attack couldn't kill the replacement 6th Espada: We've already seen his Bankai form get smacked around by Hailibel untransformed. So why would he have any chance against her now? What I want to know is why Soifon dosen't use HER bankai: I mean if she's still tyring to fight Barrigan it's obvious she isn't going to give up and should be pulling everything she has out. The only shance she'd have is doing a flash cry bankai combo attack on the guy. Especially if we're at the "cut my arm off before the rest of my body rots away" part of the fight. I don't care if her Shikai's her strongest attack or not: that ain't working. USE SOMETHING ELSE.

[Novapocalypse]

Is it just me or does Kubo have a fetish for ripping off characters arms recently?

[Mr. Obsession]

Recently? Chad, Yammy, and Grimmjow would like to remind you about what happened to them at the beginning of the Arrancar Arc. :p

Anyway. Wow, if Barragan is this overpowered I can't even begin to imagine what Stark will do once he releases. As for Hitsugaya, I learned my lesson last chapter. I'm going to try (key word, try) to refrain from commenting until his fight is over.

[garfield15]

Recently? Chad, Yammy, and Grimmjow would like to remind you about what happened to them at the beginning of the Arrancar Arc. :pHey, hey. Chad just got his arm wrecked beyond measure :p


Anyway. Wow, if Barragan is this overpowered I can't even begin to imagine what Stark will do once he releases. As for Hitsugaya, I learned my lesson last chapter. I'm going to try (key word, try) to refrain from commenting until his fight is over.
"And here's my SECOND ice clone! Did you think I was stupid enough to only make one!"

[zoombie]

A interesting chapter. It looks like the two feature fights at the moment are headed at its climatic moment. Though I could use less of Tosino and Halibel just saying to each other "Don't underestemate me".

[warnerbroman]

it nice to see the relationship of the 2nd squad

[warnerbroman]

Seriously, cut it off? What happened to putting a broken arm in a sling?it was crawling up it would not have stopped

[Captain Highwind]

This chapter was highly disturbing. It's now reaching Gantz levels.

So, Barragen is darn near untouchable...I doubt any of the Vaizards can do anything about that, unless they're immune to zombification, or have a crapload of phoenix downs to counteract him.

[garfield15]

"Don't underestimate me"
"But you're the one underestimating me"
"You're underestimating me"
"Are you the one underestimating me"

Me: SHUT UP ALREADY AND FIGHT!

[RockmanDash]

So far it seems Soi Fong's fight is the only thing that's actually moving. Hitsugaya is just coming back from the dead after every deadtly attack.. and Stark's battle is just a game at the moment.


I actually think that Baragann will die from having his power reversed at him somehow. And yes I know he's already old, but he could probably end up turning into ashs or something.:sweat: