Bleach 195. Current manga discussion. *MAJOR SPOILERS!* [Archive] - Page 8

silvanoir

03-09-2009, 02:59 AM

It is possible in the next chapter Orihime finally snaps, destroys Ulquiorra, then, as a villiness, hooks up Grimmjow (the one villian who did show concern for her).

I've been wanting a badass Orihime for a long time (heroine or villianess). Anything but the weeping depressed thing that lets others beat her up even though her power is to make a shield (meaning she could protect herself) that we've had the last 100 chapters or so... I've all but given up hope that she'll snap out of her gloom.

I want her to go back to how she was in the "Princess and Dragon" chapters when she got serious and tough when she saw her friends were in danger. I would love for her to give Ulquiora a beatdown. She slapped him once, time for more...

Paul_Cousins

03-09-2009, 03:12 AM

I've been wanting a badass Orihime for a long time (heroine or villianess). Anything but the weeping depressed thing that lets others beat her up even though her power is to make a sheild (meaning she could protect herself) that we've had the last 100 chapters or so... I've all but given up hope that she'll snap out of her gloom.

I want her to go back to how she was in the "Princess and Dragon" chaptes when she got serious and tough when she saw her friends were in danger. I would love for to give Ulquiora a beatdown. She slapped him once, time for more...I can see it now.

Orihime to Ulquiora, "I reject YOU!" And Ulquiora is literally erased from existance.

Beat

03-09-2009, 07:56 AM

It is possible in the next chapter Orihime finally snaps, destroys Ulquiorra, then, as a villiness, hooks up Grimmjow (the one villian who did show concern for her).

She'd hook up with Grimm, but that would be due to his saving her.

I have the battle all thought up already.

Orihime- Ichigo! I'll fight you!

(One re-enactment of an Amon OVA scene later)

Orihime- X_X

Grimmjow- My true love! DIIIIIIE!

DevilmanUlq- GAK!

Grimmjow- It's OK, now, you're safe with me.

Orihime- ...is this a kidnapping?

Grimmjow- If that's what makes you feel better about it.

garfield15

03-10-2009, 03:13 PM

Am I a dark person for finding this mot? Yes, why do you ask?

http://i350.photobucket.com/albums/q422/j_reader/Mots%20for%20clubs/5bcd095697a034ab638a54212090f2ac122.jpg

silvanoir

03-10-2009, 08:32 PM

Am I a dark person for finding this mot? Yes, why do you ask?

http://i350.photobucket.com/albums/q422/j_reader/Mots%20for%20clubs/5bcd095697a034ab638a54212090f2ac122.jpg

The only way I can wrap my head around that one is that her "true" form is the lady... the little girl form is only because she got bonked on the head, and the centaur is a fighting form. At least, that's what I'm going with.

Back to Grimmjow, I can't picture him calling anyone his "true love". But I do think Orihime had an effect on him. He paid her back for healing his arm by annihilating the girls who were beating her up (hence my little drawing of him punchnig pople in the face for her, lol). (And compare that to Ulquiorra: when the same girls attacked her again, he stood there and did nothing to help her). If anyone could get Grimmy to turn good, it would be her, but it would take a long time and a lot of work. A whole "Beauty and the Beast" type thing, where the lady is able to teach him some manners. Heh.

Of course, it all depends if he's still alive or not.... I don't take getting knocked down and bleeding proof of death, given Bleach's history of characters that have had that happen to them. ;)

Paul_Cousins

03-11-2009, 01:30 AM

Back to Grimmjow, I can't picture him calling anyone his "true love". But I do think Orihime had an effect on him. He paid her back for healing his arm by annihilating the girls who were beating her up (hence my little drawing of him punchnig pople in the face for her, lol). (And compare that to Ulquiorra: when the same girls attacked her again, he stood there and did nothing to help her). If anyone could get Grimmy to turn good, it would be her, but it would take a long time and a lot of work. A whole "Beauty and the Beast" type thing, where the lady is able to teach him some manners. Heh.I agree. It's the Beauty and the the Beast angle that would make the pairing interesting.

Rocketboy

03-11-2009, 09:36 AM

349

I'm expecting an inspiring storyline next arc.

"HOW CAN YOU EXPECT TO BE A QUINCY WITH ONE ARM?!"

"I'll still be able to do it...With or without any help..."

ShadowGUN

03-11-2009, 10:30 AM

349

I'm expecting an inspiring storyline next arc.

"HOW CAN YOU EXPECT TO BE A QUINCY WITH ONE ARM?!"

"I'll still be able to do it...With or without any help..."

Don't worry. Nurse Orihime will fix that one up in a second ;) .

So the Full Hollow Ichigo power up finally shows up. It about time.

1 of 3

03-11-2009, 10:43 AM

Well, other than how depressing it is to see Orihime giving her haters massive fuel, looks like a very exciting chapter.

Beat

03-11-2009, 10:53 AM

Axe crazy Starscream Hollow Ichigo vs DevilmanUlq- Awesomeness.

Orihime- Pointlessness. As if there was any doubt.

Don_East

03-11-2009, 11:12 AM

***SIGH*** What a let down... **** you, Kubo, you took the chicken's way out yet again.

GWOtaku

03-11-2009, 11:24 AM

Meh, just as expected. Please let Ichigo not be some mindless freak.

What's going on with all the other characters in Hecto Mundo, anyway?

Well, one possibly interesting detail about the spoiler events...

How's Ichigo getting up? Is it on his own or has Inoue unwittingly triggered a transformation while trying to "heal" him in a panic?

Beat

03-11-2009, 11:26 AM

I think way way back in SS, Ishida noted that Orihime would never, and should never be a decent fighter.

I also believe that Kubo just hates her. A lot.

garfield15

03-11-2009, 11:37 AM

I think way way back in SS, Ishida noted that Orihime would never, and should never be a decent fighter.

I also believe that Kubo just hates her. A lot.
I don't think he hates her (Though I could be wrong heh heh) I just think he's locked himself into not being able to let Orihime be able to do anything due to the SS arc (and, you know, writing issues and all that)

I'm a little ticked that Kubo took the "Insane power-up" way out again though.

Don_East

03-11-2009, 11:58 AM

I think he doesn't hate Orihime. I just think he fails at proper character development. He's the George Lucas of manga.

Still bummed about this, so I made this.

http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/2452/orihimetokubo.jpg

1 of 3

03-11-2009, 12:13 PM

Upon further examination of the pics...

Though I'm still disappointed Hime finally actually cried out for Ichigo to "save/help her" (she's never actually done that before), to those out there who have been those out there that have been bashing her and saying she's ignoring Ishida. If you look she did actually use her shield to try and protect him (though that failed too).

Mr. Obsession

03-11-2009, 02:51 PM

So are we taking bets on if it's the mindless version again or if someone's actually in the driver's seat this time around?

Don't worry. Nurse Orihime will fix that one up in a second ;) .If, for plot reasons she doesn't get the chance, I'm sure Unohana, Mayuri (don't do it Uryu, it's a trap!) or Urahara (the inital cost would probably be higher than Mayuri's hidden cost, but it would be safer) could do something for him.

GWOtaku

03-11-2009, 03:22 PM

I can't see a mindless cretin defeating Ulquiorra, and certainly not Aizen or his lieutenants. Ichigo needs to be self-aware for this power up to have any meaning.

Beat

03-11-2009, 07:08 PM

Two predictions.

Psycho Hollow Ichigo will NOT get a clean win.

Orihime will continue to remain useless.

MeggieMay

03-11-2009, 10:05 PM

So are we taking bets on if it's the mindless version again or if someone's actually in the driver's seat this time around?

If, for plot reasons she doesn't get the chance, I'm sure Unohana, Mayuri (don't do it Uryu, it's a trap!) or Urahara (the inital cost would probably be higher than Mayuri's hidden cost, but it would be safer) could do something for him.

Or maybe something else - something that's been nagging at my mind for a while

What's been nagging at my mind is whether or not Renji and Uryu are really Renji and Uryu :confused: . Yes, I realize that sounds weird but something about their return to the plot has never felt "right," for lack of a better word. What's nagging me is that when we last saw those two, before the returned, they were both badly injured and barely able to move. Then we see Reji back fighting like nothing happened, along with Uryu. I realize that this thought of mine has a hole, in that we've been shown Uryu thinking to himself and he does seem in character but I'm not sure if that couldn't be explained away, if Kudo wished.

Now I think what I'm thinking here is that Kudo has set up a "out" for both characters. What I'm thinking is he can, if he choses, hurt, mame and kill either or both characters but then potentially come back and say "well it wasn't really them - Mayuri sent copies/clones/goodness knows what of the both of them instead of the real Renji and Uryu. At the same time Kudo could also not use the "out" if he decides differently. The thing is, I just can't figure out how Mayrui "fixed" the two of them that fast. He's not ever been shown to be a healer like Unohana but he has been shown to have the potential to make copies of people with the creation of his second in comand (and maybe something during the flashback arc - I lost the plot during part of that).

I realize I may be over thinking things here and might have come up with a plot idea Kudo wouldn't even think to use but something about this is just not feeling right to me, even though I'm not sure why (however, it doesn't hurt that Kudo IMO is a master of plot twist, even if he sometimes seems not to be able to pull off the actual plot itself in a timely manner :p ),

Beat

03-12-2009, 07:54 AM

That is an interesting theory. And I think Kubo would use that sort of backdoor logic. Then again, we've actually stuck with one fight for a few weeks now. I don't want a random cutaway to prove that theory.

I just think he's locked himself into not being able to let Orihime be able to do anything due to the SS arc (and, you know, writing issues and all that)

Well that just means the excuses will get more outlandish.

Orihime- OK, everyone's off, and there's a giant released monster here. Maybe I can actually use my powers to do something import...

Random Voice- ENGINE OH G12! TUNE UP! GO ON!

Orihime- ...Shouldn't that be on Shin-Chan?

*Cut to Orihime being nearly stepped on*

Orihime- I guess I'm not needed again. What do I do now?

Grimmjow- Lol Kidnapping.

Orihime- HELP!

garfield15

03-12-2009, 10:06 AM

That is an interesting theory. And I think Kubo would use that sort of backdoor logic. Then again, we've actually stuck with one fight for a few weeks now. I don't want a random cutaway to prove that theory.

Well that just means the excuses will get more outlandish.

Orihime- OK, everyone's off, and there's a giant released monster here. Maybe I can actually use my powers to do something import...

Random Voice- ENGINE OH G12! TUNE UP! GO ON!

Orihime- ...Shouldn't that be on Shin-Chan?

*Cut to Orihime being nearly stepped on*

Orihime- I guess I'm not needed again. What do I do now?

Grimmjow- Lol Kidnapping.

Orihime- HELP!
NICE ONE!

Good old cluster-f***** mecha to the rescue.

Beat

03-12-2009, 08:36 PM

Thank you.

It's pretty simple though, who would you rather be fighting Araccnar? Emo queen with a shield that can't deflect peas, or the Jenga puzzle of robots (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWcvRriX_EA)?

garfield15

03-12-2009, 09:13 PM

Wow, I wish I had found this picture earlier

http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll58/madfigs/intro-25.jpg

Paul_Cousins

03-13-2009, 02:44 AM

Actually, in the latest chapter, Orihime seems to have started having a "freak out" moment there: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FreakOut

The chapter was not that bad.

FlyByNite77

03-13-2009, 05:15 AM

Damn Uryu needs to get fixed up. Can't shoot a bow with
Only one hand remaining

XOMiss_Samantha

03-13-2009, 06:35 AM

Not a fan of Orihime, but I thought the page of her crying was kind of beautiful in a really sad way. Although, it would have been nice for her to do something other than scream as a way to save the situation.

Ishida lost a hand D=. not cool not cool. Somebody help him >_<

ShadowGUN

03-13-2009, 07:54 AM

Ishida lost a hand D=. not cool not cool. Somebody help him >_<

Actually he looks like he lost half of his arm.

garfield15

03-13-2009, 09:16 AM

Ouch...Ishida's arm...

http://i350.photobucket.com/albums/q422/j_reader/motivator4323220.jpg

Fool's Gil

03-13-2009, 10:07 AM

I usually don't comment on manga discussions, but I honestly have to say this latest chapter disapointed me, which never happened at all in the mangas I read in my life. I just can't be positive this time.

First Ichigo got a hole in him. That was awesome. Then Orihime starts losing it. By this point I'm ecstatic because I remember how during the Soul Society arc it was stated if Orihime had any killing intent, she would be very dangerous. True love likely dead, I assumed a golden aura would appear and like a flash Ulquiorra would be missing a torso. I even felt more ecstatic when Ishida appeared and lost his handI was so sure she was going to go insane. Instead "Someone help me!" and Ichigo suddenly grows a bunch of hair, which I assume is him fully going hollow, where he'd likely proceed to murder Ulquiorra quite easily

What a letdown for two reasons. One, because of the entire escalation of this arc. This arc was essentially about Orihime, and with all the happenings up to this point, Ichigo fully and completely lost, and by lost, I mean Game Over. Yu Yu Haskusho and DBZ played with this alot, but no anime or manga I watched or read actually had a full loss for the hero. So with an arc about the love interest who can possibly be the strongest force in the universe (if she wasn't such a caring person) watches the hero die, I expected so much. Instead, we get yet another powerup that comes out of nowhere.

Two, because the powerup came out of nowhere. He took full control of his body, got the mask in check, and Ulquiorra, someone who is nowhere near Aizen's strength, STILL mopped the floor with him to the point of no return and blasted him with aPitch Black LAZERB33M through his chest. He shouldn't have any reserves of energy left and he pulls a fridge logic deux ex machina out of his ass and powers up AGAIN...What a letdown.

FlyByNite77

03-13-2009, 10:15 AM

Fool's Gil

03-13-2009, 10:19 AM

I think the only possible way to give Ichigo a power-up right now without inventing something completely new is to have this be a hollow release.

He has bankai with his shinigami powers, perhaps he can perform an espada release with his hollow powers and its kicking in.

That's most likely what it's going to be, but it still is a complete letdown and asspull. After all he just went through, how does he suddenly pull that?

Beat

03-13-2009, 11:50 AM

That's most likely what it's going to be, but it still is a complete letdown and asspull. After all he just went through, how does he suddenly pull that?

Well what did you expect? Orihime to do something productive and/or relevant? And people wonder why she's become so hated.

Fool's Gil

03-13-2009, 11:53 AM

Well what did you expect? Orihime to do something productive and/or relevant?

Yes, Yes I did. The entire chapter was set up for that to practically happen.

And people wonder why she's become so hated.

:shrug: I Don't care about that.:shrug:

GWOtaku

03-13-2009, 12:07 PM

A pretty weak chapter. I hope that when it's animated, Ishida's efforts are shown on screen more. The whole thing was basically "oh no, Ichigo's been killed!"

Looks like he's already about to transform, so Kubo might as well have spent less time on the "OH NO OH NO!" stuff.

anime_guru

03-13-2009, 12:49 PM

how can anyone be surprised at this at all?
Now mulling over the idea of orihime actually going insane is much akin to jenryu in digimon tamers being cloned post the dukemon v bealzimon battle. In one aspect, I have to say that would bring a whole new dimension to orihime's character if
a) she had a personality split
or
b) went insane

but we can't be surprised that the full hollow was coming out of ichigo. Heck the hollow even said
if you are close to death (or you fly off the horse) I will assume ownership and be king. The only event this would happen was with what just passed in the manga. Yes, this was bound to happen actually and I expected exactly what happened to happen.

Now does that mean something interesting and bold will happen? Who knows. Hope so.

As far as the chapter itself, it wasn't great.. =(

Beat

03-13-2009, 12:52 PM

Yes, Yes I did. The entire chapter was set up for that to practically happen.

And that was your first mistake. Assuming Kubo would make Orihime anything but the Mighty Moping Emo Ranger she's become.

I'm interested about this new power up though. Who's in charge here?

Fool's Gil

03-13-2009, 01:12 PM

And that was your first mistake. Assuming Kubo would make Orihime anything but the Mighty Moping Emo Ranger she's become.

But you'd expect supurb writing from Kubo, wouldn't you?

I'm interested about this new power up though. Who's in charge here?

I suspect the inner Hollow, but it's probably both the Hollow and Ichigo.

kaine23

03-13-2009, 05:12 PM

Who's in charge here?
Kon.

garfield15

03-13-2009, 05:34 PM

Kon.
Man, where has Kon been lately?

I figured by now he would have sneaked out of Ichigo's body or seomething found some accidental portal to Hueco Mundo and be freaking out by now. (This would be perfect filler material by the way)

Captain Highwind

03-13-2009, 05:49 PM

Man, where has Kon been lately?

Where has anybody been lately? Orihime character-denial or whathaveyou aside, a power-up means Ulquiorra's almost gone, and that's all I'm asking for. One step closer to the next plot.

Novapocalypse

03-13-2009, 11:49 PM

Well since Orihime doesn't seem to be getting much of any power up at the moment and Ishida's time to shine was over chapters ago(so you couldn't expect him to do much this time), the only way to make this fight interesting to me is for Ichigo getting owned to be Hollow Ichigo's "Don't die before I return" thing.

Rud

03-13-2009, 11:55 PM

even though Ishida lost, i liked how could could still be so badass while doing it (or appear to be).

Lelouch

03-14-2009, 10:29 AM

Agreed, Ty. The only way this power-up is acceptable to me is if Hichigo returns and is a badass.

OR if this power-up still gets owned by Ulquiorra which then makes Orihime go crazy...but the chances of that are very slim.

garfield15

03-14-2009, 02:35 PM

You see, even the internet knows that a higurashi moment is coming

http://i350.photobucket.com/albums/q422/j_reader/54d98ffdb0c048d5c3629c04066dae23123.jpg

All she needs is one more little push...

Captain Highwind

03-14-2009, 03:37 PM

All she needs is one more little push...

*Ishida slides back toward Orihime*

"Whoops, 'took me other hand. S'okay though, just a flesh wound."

*Runs back*

Orihime: *Snaps*

Baseball

03-14-2009, 03:50 PM

garfield15

03-14-2009, 03:50 PM

*Ishida slides back toward Orihime*

"Whoops, 'took me other hand. S'okay though, just a flesh wound."

*Runs back*

Orihime: *Snaps*
So how is he still using the bow? With his feet?

Zach Logan

03-14-2009, 03:50 PM

The only way I think I'd be okay with Bleach at this point is if Isshin came or if we had another Turn Back the Pendulum, because the series has gone steadily and quickly downhill since then.

RockmanDash

03-14-2009, 04:13 PM

So Ishida lost his arm and Ichigo gets a giant hole in the stomach. How this battle ends is making think its going to be strange..very strange.

Captain Highwind

03-14-2009, 04:13 PM

So how is he still using the bow? With his feet?

With his teeth. That's what Zoro would do.

garfield15

03-14-2009, 04:21 PM

With his teeth. That's what Zoro would do.
Hmm, sounds suprisingly badass.

(falls back)

Ishida: No don't worry, he just knocked out half of my teeth. I can still use the molars though!

*Runs back*

Orihime: *Gets Higurashi face*

Mett

03-14-2009, 04:24 PM

So how is he still using the bow? With his feet?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnX0wYrJZkE

Yup!

Beat

03-14-2009, 04:44 PM

Why does everyone want Orihime to go berserk? She was never a fighter--just a normal high school girl until she was given the power to heal things with her hairpins. Having her defeat Ulquiorra by herself would be ridiculous.

Because she shouldn't be alive then. She's in the dictionary next to the word "fail."

Think about if. If she's so useless, shouldn't she have gotten killed a long time ago?

garfield15

03-14-2009, 04:44 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnX0wYrJZkE

Yup!
Wow, Rule 34 in maximum overdrive here.

I don't feel like seeing Uryu make those poses thank you very much.

Mett

03-14-2009, 06:25 PM

I don't feel like seeing Uryu make those poses thank you very much.

Yeah, me either :p

RockmanDash

03-15-2009, 12:01 AM

I've not seen all the shonens out there, but majority of the damsels in shonen (the ones I've seen anyway) has not been killed off, and yet, they've still remained useless by the end. I see the same thing happening with Orihime as well. Do I wish she would die... "shrugs" I'm not a fan of hers so I really don't care either way. Do I see her dying? Not by a long shot.

We gotta a better chance of Don_East stop being a Orihime fan boy than Orihime actually dying =P.

And why would you guys want Orihime to die? I think the poor girl has been through so much she deserves to live.

I mean not only was Orihime's childhood crap, she lost her brother, can't help others in attack, had to watch Ichigo get his butt kicked by Yammy, got captured by Aizen for his own goals, treated like crap by Aizen fan girls, became a prize for Ichigo if he beats Grimmjow, and now has to watch Ichigo die and Ishida lose his arm. >_> I probably missed a whole lot but this is all I got at the moment.

Don_East

03-15-2009, 12:11 AM

We gotta a better chance of Don_East stop being a Orihime fan boy than Orihime actually dying =P.

And why would you guys want Orihime to die? I think the poor girl has been through so much she deserves to live.

I mean not only was Orihime's childhood crap, she lost her brother, can't help others in attack, had to watch Ichigo get his butt kicked by Yammy, got captured by Aizen for his own goals, treated like crap by Aizen fan girls, became a prize for Ichigo if he beats Grimmjow, and now has to watch Ichigo die and Ishida lose his arm. >_> I probably missed a whole lot but this is all I got at the moment.
X, sometimes I'm tempted to name you one of my generals in my personal strike force.

Orihime has been through much in her poor life, I can't help but feel for her. Ichigo also been through crap as well(lost his mom, gets beaten up and gets mocked constantly). They'll find happiness with eachother, I just know it.

thenewme93

03-15-2009, 12:20 AM

Yeah...This Orihime hate is just getting downright annoying having it shoved down my throat every two posts...GOD!!!

RockmanDash

03-15-2009, 01:13 AM

X, sometimes I'm tempted to name you one of my generals in my personal strike force.

=P Hey I am a maverick hunter after all.

So Don.. black or white?

http://rlv.zcache.com/i_love_orihime_t_shirt-p235163949706403735tmn7_210.jpg

http://rlv.zcache.com/i_love_orihime_t_shirt-p235090856185796698tdf9_210.jpg

Don_East

03-15-2009, 01:19 AM

=P Hey I am a maverick hunter after all.

So Don.. black or white?

http://rlv.zcache.com/i_love_orihime_t_shirt-p235163949706403735tmn7_210.jpg

http://rlv.zcache.com/i_love_orihime_t_shirt-p235090856185796698tdf9_210.jpg
Are those... Are those shirts real?

***CHECKS***

WHY WAS I NOT INFORMED ABOUT THIS UNTIL NOW!?!?

TheVileOne

03-15-2009, 01:27 AM

Orihime stands in the way of Rukia/Ichigo.

She's got to go.

RockmanDash

03-15-2009, 01:28 AM

Orihime stands in the way of Rukia/Ichigo.

She's got to go.

But then Renji would be a lonely man. :p

Don_East

03-15-2009, 01:30 AM

Orihime stands in the way of Rukia/Ichigo.

She's got to go.
Phooey on the notion that the lead male protagonist and the lead female protagonist of the series should hook up because they're the main characters.

Ichigo/Orihime
Rukia/Renji
4Evah!

LinkG07

03-15-2009, 01:42 AM

Orihime stands in the way of Rukia/Ichigo.

She's got to go.

Rukia is a friend and nothing more. It was poked at and even hinted that Ichigo has romantic feelings for Orihime, just like she does openly for him. Besides, they're perfect for each other since Rukia is a hundred year old Shinigami, while orihime is human like Ichigo.

TheVileOne

03-15-2009, 01:44 AM

UMMMM . . . so?

Ichigo being human and Rukia being a shinigami of Soul Society makes the pairing that much more compelling.

Renji will die sooner or later. He's more fodder than anything.

Hence . . . Rukia and Ichigo.

Rukia/Renji = grossness.

Rukia/Ichigo = liberty.

LinkG07

03-15-2009, 01:47 AM

So your saying that Orihime is just dead weight? That's mad. The woman has literally went through hell and back and you still want her out?

Beat

03-15-2009, 01:51 AM

TheVileOne

03-15-2009, 01:54 AM

So your saying that Orihime is just dead weight? That's mad. The woman has literally went through hell and back and you still want her out?

Let me put it as simply as I can.

Yes.

Don_East

03-15-2009, 02:13 AM

Let me put it as simply as I can.

Yes.
You really deserve your title, VileOne.

You know what, it's getting late. Tonight's Bleach got me in a good mood. And I'm just gonna stop here before another Shipping fight occurs.

Captain Highwind

03-15-2009, 02:57 AM

I also don't care about lovey-dovey relationships. So you can imagine my thoughts about all these pairings and whatnot.. heh.

Oh god, same.

Plus, everyone's forgotten Ichigo's afraid of girls, so it shall always be off-limit distance lovin' no matter what female it is.

Baseball

03-15-2009, 05:20 AM

Why hate Orihime?

Because all she could do after being given EVERY LAST MOTIVATION for her Freak Out/Psycho moment cries "Mwah! Save me main characters that can actually fight!" Kubo was either laughing his head off the whole time he wrote that, or didn't realize how useless it made her seem.
That's a pretty desperate situation though. Think about this realistically. Ulquiorra is killing everyone we've come to know as "strong." He took down Ichigo with absolutely no effort expended. In fact, Hollowfied Ichigo couldn't even harm non-resurreccióned Ulquiorra by going all out. What the hell was Orihime supposed to do? She's barely been in any real fights, and she has no experience. In a situation like that, when Ichigo has always protected her, who else can she call out for?

Psycho moments can be unrealistic and often ridiculous depending on their execution. Having Orihime go berserk out of nowhere just wouldn't be true to her character when her main role is that of a love interest.

Paul_Cousins

03-15-2009, 06:34 AM

That's a pretty desperate situation though. Think about this realistically. Ulquiorra is killing everyone we've come to know as "strong." He took down Ichigo with absolutely no effort expended. In fact, Hollowfied Ichigo couldn't even harm non-resurreccióned Ulquiorra by going all out. What the hell was Orihime supposed to do? She's barely been in any real fights, and she has no experience. In a situation like that, when Ichigo has always protected her, who else can she call out for?First of all, Orihime power allows her to bend reality itself. This is the reason Aizen gave in the first place for kidnapping her. Second, Urahara did train her for a month before they left for the Soul Society for the first time.

Keep in mind, the bad guys have been torturing Orihime for a while, even Ulquiorra hurting Ichigo was done in a way to hurt Orihime. TVtropes calls it, "breaking the cutie".

And should Orihime does snap and go psycho, I would not be surprised if it turned out the reason Grimjaw started being nice to her was he saw this coming a mile away. With him replying to the situation, "Beware the nice ones." ;)

Orihime is the Willow/Jean Grey of the Bleach series. She has power, be we never really get to see that power come into full bloom until she snaps.

Neo Ultra Mike

03-15-2009, 10:01 AM

Originally posted by Paul_Cousins
And should Orihime does snap and go psycho, I would not be surprised if it turned out the reason Grimjaw started being nice to her was he saw this coming a mile away. With him replying to the situation, "Beware the nice ones." ;)

Oh yeah, I'm fairly sure he was being nice when he tied her up, yelled at her, threathened to snap her like a twig if she didn't do what he asked, oh and try blasting at her just to get Ichigo to get out his full power. Yeah real "nice" alright;) Besides I really don't think out of any of the Espada Grimmjow would of seen her having this massive power storage coming. I really don't think he's the greatest judge of power like at all.

Not that I don't want Orihime to go psycho powerful. I do. And yes she has proven to be fairly weak and flighty in combat before which is why it would take a big traumatic event to make her snap like that. Like say... seeing Ichigo die right in front of her. But god forbid she be allowed a chacne to shine when Ichigo can just continue pulling out power ups out of his ass. I know he's the hero but it's getting ridiciolous. And really IMHO it's part of the reason why Oda's a much much much better writer then either Kisimoto or Kubo: He can have his main character loose and come back with an actual strategy or power up that MAKES SENSE that isn't just something pulled out of his ass when desperate enough. Luffy had to work to use his Gear transformations and there was a big explanation on how he became Nightmare Luffy (which didn't even end up defeating Moria at the end anyway). With Kishimoto it's "oh look now Naruto's unlokced another level of nine tails and his father convientally shows up as a warning to not become super nine tail level or else" bull. And Ichigo always had that massive power up storage bull crap where he just kept getting stronger because... he had to get stronger. I guess we've seen the full on hollow form before but really it's so annoying to see it come out now. I would much prefer it if Ulqourria noticed it, killed Ichigo (pointing out he's not stupid enough to let him fully transform) and then Uryu distracts him some more as Orihime goes into her psycho mode. But nooo, Ichigo's gotta beat him because he's the main character and blah blah blah blah.

Beat

03-15-2009, 10:12 AM

Of the big three, Kubo has had the least of an idea where his plot his heading. Oda plans things out way in advance, Kishi has built up the whole Jor-El bit for a while (granted HOW he executed it was a major curveball) but Kubo just seems to tackle his work deadline to deadline.

This is a perfect example. He inadvertedly built up a moment like this for Orihime becoming useful, but convenitely forgets this to pull out another Ichigo power up, one which seems pulled out of quite literally nowhere just so he can keep the supporting cast relatively safe.

Also- Disclamer. This is not about shipping at all when I post about Bleach. The correct pairing is Ichigo X his fear of girls. He hates girls.

garfield15

03-15-2009, 10:19 AM

Besides, everybody knows the best shipping is Setsuna and his happy marriage with his Gundam...

Wait...wrong thread again.

Oh yeah, I'm fairly sure he was being nice when he tied her up, yelled at her, threathened to snap her like a twig if she didn't do what he asked, oh and try blasting at her just to get Ichigo to get out his full power. Yeah real "nice" alright;) Besides I really don't think out of any of the Espada Grimmjow would of seen her having this massive power storage coming. I really don't think he's the greatest judge of power like at all.

Not that I don't want Orihime to go psycho powerful. I do. And yes she has proven to be fairly weak and flighty in combat before which is why it would take a big traumatic event to make her snap like that. Like say... seeing Ichigo die right in front of her. But god forbid she be allowed a chance to shine when Ichigo can just continue pulling out power ups out of his ass. I know he's the hero but it's getting ridiciolous. And really IMHO it's part of the reason why Oda's a much much much better writer then either Kisimoto or Kubo: He can have his main character loose and come back with an actual strategy or power up that MAKES SENSE that isn't just something pulled out of his ass when desperate enough. Luffy had to work to use his Gear transformations and there was a big explanation on how he became Nightmare Luffy (which didn't even end up defeating Moria at the end anyway). With Kishimoto it's "oh look now Naruto's unlokced another level of nine tails and his father convientally shows up as a warning to not become super nine tail level or else" bull. And Ichigo always had that massive power up storage bull crap where he just kept getting stronger because... he had to get stronger. I guess we've seen the full on hollow form before but really it's so annoying to see it come out now. I would much prefer it if Ulqourria noticed it, killed Ichigo (pointing out he's not stupid enough to let him fully transform) and then Uryu distracts him some more as Orihime goes into her psycho mode. But nooo, Ichigo's gotta beat him because he's the main character and blah blah blah blah.
^^This (except for the Naruto's father showing up thing. Yeah, its kind of random but we all knew it was gonna have to happen someday. Most likely involving the fox)

And man, I do not like thinking of Uryu as the distraction even though he kind of is. If Ichigo is still powering up in the next chapter, I'm gonna have to assume Uryu won't be moving for a long time.

Rud

03-15-2009, 12:08 PM

Second, Urahara did train her for a month before they left for the Soul Society for the first time.
No he dint, it was that purple haired hottie who could turn into a cat (chad too), whats her name again?.

Lelouch

03-15-2009, 12:34 PM

Uh...I don't see how Orihime's character can be defended simply because she had a rough past. This does not excuse the fact that she is completely worthless despite all the power she holds. You know what, it should have been Tatsuki who got the powers, she would have kicked ass.

MissTetra

03-15-2009, 12:57 PM

X, sometimes I'm tempted to name you one of my generals in my personal strike force.
I'd like to join your cause, maybe I can be a healer or something. OH WAIT, that would make me completely useless and I would have no reason to live. :yawn:

I'm just going to say this once, and if you guys still like to complain about Orihime every other post, I will figure that you just like complaining and making all the Orihime fans mad. :sweat:

I really think that we will see Orihime doing a lot of pwnage at the end of the series, but that won't be for a long time. You know how Unohana is really powerful and Kubo is saving her ownage session till the end? I think that would be a good set up to show that the healers can be powerful and fight when they need to. Then sometime after that Orihime will fight. ;)

I kind of have a scenario in my head where Ichigo and Orihime fight Aizen ala Link and Zelda fighting Ganondorf. Either that, or Uryuu puts on a dress and shoots his arrows. :p

Baseball

03-15-2009, 05:46 PM

First of all, Orihime power allows her to bend reality itself. This is the reason Aizen gave in the first place for kidnapping her. Second, Urahara did train her for a month before they left for the Soul Society for the first time.
But her power is dependent on her mental state. Anyone would be terrified in that situation--especially a 15-year-old girl. Also, it wasn't Urahara who trained Orihime and Chad--it was cat Yoruichi. Aside from that, she only taught them how to activate their powers, and they spent literally a week learning. The only time Orihime's really even trained was that brief period she spent in Soul Society with Rukia.

Keep in mind, the bad guys have been torturing Orihime for a while, even Ulquiorra hurting Ichigo was done in a way to hurt Orihime. TVtropes calls it, "breaking the cutie".

And should Orihime does snap and go psycho, I would not be surprised if it turned out the reason Grimjaw started being nice to her was he saw this coming a mile away. With him replying to the situation, "Beware the nice ones." ;)

Orihime is the Willow/Jean Grey of the Bleach series. She has power, be we never really get to see that power come into full bloom until she snaps.
I don't think Orihime's power is going to draw from her being crazy--I think it's the exact opposite. Orihime's power first manifested itself when she wanted to protect Tatsuki. When she's determined to save others, that's when she's at her strongest.

But then again, there's been all of these allusions to something that Aizen has done to her that we haven't seen yet. Maybe that's coming in the near future.

Of the big three, Kubo has had the least of an idea where his plot his heading. Oda plans things out way in advance, Kishi has built up the whole Jor-El bit for a while (granted HOW he executed it was a major curveball) but Kubo just seems to tackle his work deadline to deadline.
That may have been true in the past, but it's moreso the execution he has trouble with. He's had the Arrancar idea for years, but introduced it too early with Grand Fisher. When Grand Fisher proved to be unpopular, he scrapped it and held off until the Soul Society arc. I think he knows what's going to happen--it's more of a matter of when.

This is a perfect example. He inadvertedly built up a moment like this for Orihime becoming useful, but convenitely forgets this to pull out another Ichigo power up, one which seems pulled out of quite literally nowhere just so he can keep the supporting cast relatively safe.
I'm willing to bet it's just another Visored secret. Since they gain Hollow powers along with Soul Reaper powers, maybe Ichigo's going through a resurrección of his own. We still don't know a lot about the Visoreds, and this might be one of their gained abilities. Besides--who in Bleach gains a power up from getting plain angry? That's never happened before in the series--everyone has to work harder to get stronger. That's how Ichigo and Renji achieved Bankai, how Chad got the Brazo Izquierda Del Diablo, etc. If Orihime got mad and suddenly more powerful, it cheats us from seeing her get stronger via her own means.

Fool's Gil

03-15-2009, 08:39 PM

But her power is dependent on her mental state...

...I don't think Orihime's power is going to draw from her being crazy--I think it's the exact opposite. Orihime's power first manifested itself when she wanted to protect Tatsuki. When she's determined to save others, that's when she's at her strongest.

I sort of agree and disagree. Yes, a mental breakdown could mess up her powers, but if she adopts a willingness to kill in her mania, I suspect her power would go even farther, though very very unstable. At the very least, Ulqourria would lose a limb.

LinkG07

03-15-2009, 08:45 PM

Why do I picture Orihime becoming some Omni-powerful being, then having to be forced to stop due to being unstable/out of control?

Beat

03-15-2009, 08:54 PM

Why do I picture Orihime becoming some Omni-powerful being, then having to be forced to stop due to being unstable/out of control?

With Kubo, it'd be a fake out. She thinks going psycho has turned her into an insane killing machine, then DevilmanUlq rips a hole in her.

silvanoir

03-16-2009, 01:11 AM

Paul_Cousins

03-16-2009, 01:27 AM

.... don't shoot me for this, but I think it would have been better if Ichigo had stayed dead.

It takes away all the drama and poignanacy if he comes back a few seconds later.

If he stayed dead would break all this shonen power up cliche... no more being strong just because you say you want to be, no winning just because it's the hero/main character. Without a plan, he fought against a stronger enemy with no sympathy and lost, the end. Sometimes war is hell.

His friends would have to learn to rely on themselves or perish as well. No more depending on Ichigo 'just because'.
(see a certain show with robots to know how this can work ;) )I can see your point.

But it would be even more twisted and interesting if Ichigo's spirit got so weak from his injuries that his spirit disappeared/sent back to his body and he ended up back in his living body on earth, with no way for him to save his friends. And his friends having to save themselves.

LinkG07

03-16-2009, 01:30 AM

I can see your point.

But it would be even more twisted and interesting if Ichigo's spirit got so weak from his injuries that his spirit disappeared/sent back to his body and he ended up back in his living body on earth, with no way for him to save his friends. And his friends having to save themselves.

That actually sounds pretty awesome. Ichigo's soul would disappear leaving him back in the human realm. I can picture him waking up and wondering where everyone is. Like with a dark silhouette.

Paul_Cousins

03-16-2009, 01:49 AM

That actually sounds pretty awesome. Ichigo's soul would disappear leaving him back in the human realm. I can picture him waking up and wondering where everyone is. Like with a dark silhouette.Of course, if Ichigo's spirit did disappear like that, Orihime would finally snap and it would be a good thing that he would not be around ground zero while she went beserk.

Captain Highwind

03-16-2009, 02:34 AM

Of course, if Ichigo's spirit did disappear like that, Orihime would finally snap and it would be a good thing that he would not be around ground zero while she went beserk.

That's right, only Ishida would be there. ^^

Beat

03-16-2009, 07:49 AM

garfield15

03-16-2009, 09:26 AM

If you want to look at it from the perspective of everyone wanting Orihime to finally go crazy, she's done a wonderful job of annoying us.

Ulq- Go ahead, you can say it.

Orihime- :crying::crying::crying:

Ulq- NO! No, the other thing.

Orihime- Kurosaki-kun will...

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t64/Coyoteesharptongue/lex-luthor-wrong1.jpg

No matter what anyone tries, all Emohime does is cry.

WRONG!! Nice one.
Orihime kind of reminds me of this person how and how she used to be cute and funny and awesome but then she went from this....
http://randomc.maximum7.net/image/Toradora%21/Toradora%21%20-%2003%20-%2017.jpg
To this....

http://randomc.maximum7.net/image/Toradora%21/Toradora%21%20-%2023%20-%2032.jpg

And now I can't stand her in the show anymore.
(Dern Yandere's)

Actually that's not true. I still like Orihime and I know she has potential but like Minorin, she's kind of annoying me.

LinkG07

03-16-2009, 01:09 PM

That's usually what people turn out doing when one of the characters in a manga/show is dwindled down to being nothing but be a Damsel in Distress or "Save the Princess" character. Orihime hasn't done anything significant, cool, or useful as of late so people start slowly hating her. (If they didn't hate her already.) When a character doesn't do anything that's good for themselves or the story, hate is generated thus making them want the character to either go away or die. Nuff said.

Beat

03-16-2009, 01:15 PM

garfield15

03-16-2009, 01:23 PM

And that good sir, is why she is loathed by all.
I don't loathe her per se (and neither does Don_East I bet) I just think she needs more presence in the story. See that's why I need her to go Higurashi on somebody because that way, she could at least be accomplishing something. And this could have happened had Ichigo not be going through yet another transformation.

(You know for a really long time, I was thinking "What are they going to do with Ichigo since he has bankai." Then I was thinking "Well, how can he get any stronger since there's nothing higher than Hollow mask?" Oh Kubo. You never stop surprising me)

Kazuya Prower

03-16-2009, 01:26 PM

And that good sir, is why she is loathed by all.

That, and her saying nothing but "Kurosaki-kun" every time Ichigo is getting beaten to near-death.

garfield15

03-16-2009, 01:29 PM

That, and her saying nothing but "Kurosaki-kun" every time Ichigo is getting beaten to near-death.
And not even Smexiny....I mean, Stephanie Sheh's voice is helping that.

Don_East

03-16-2009, 01:31 PM

***SIGH*** Blah. Blah. Trying to defend Orihime. You know what. I'm done, I quit. I tried really really tried. But I lost any interest in continuing this debate I have no chance at winning. I'm gonna take a hiatus from this thread and hope that Ichigo's power-up is a red herring. But I have doubts now. I might as well write my own Bleach. I leave with three statements.

Kubo sucks at writing anyone besides Ichigo
Nagai is overrated
Long live Shotaro Ishinomori

garfield15

03-16-2009, 01:34 PM

Nagai is overrated

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t64/Coyoteesharptongue/lex-luthor-wrong1.jpg

LinkG07

03-16-2009, 01:49 PM

And that good sir, is why she is loathed by all.

But... When a character like this does something like, oh say, finally grow the balls to kill the main antagonist of the arc, on purpose or even by accident, every one (or at least 85%) of the viewers do a 360 and likes the character. (again.) Are we really that fickle? Seriously, are we?

garfield15

03-16-2009, 02:13 PM

More or less. I, on the otherhand would drop the series over something like that. Her beating Ulquiorra is like Hitsugaya beating Halibel, or Renji beating Aizen.
But I really want Toushirou to beat Halibel. It would make up for the pwning he recieved in the SS arc. Plus, besides Yamamoto, who else that's at the Fake Karakura town could fight her that isn't already busy?

Beat

03-16-2009, 02:36 PM

But... When a character like this does something like, oh say, finally grow the balls to kill the main antagonist of the arc, on purpose or even by accident, every one (or at least 85%) of the viewers do a 360 and likes the character. (again.) Are we really that fickle? Seriously, are we?

I think that's a major problem with judging a weekly story from week to week as opposed to part to part. You need to look at trends, not judge all on one chapter. Look at the Naruto talkbacks. One week "BLARGH! WORST COMIC EVAR!" The next "KISHIMOTO PWNS ALAN MOORE LOL."

Watching the origin and fall of Orihime is one of those trends.

Don_East

03-16-2009, 02:54 PM

***PROTOMAN WHISTLE***
***TELEPORTS IN***

Beat, by that logic, Orihime is bound to have her Rodimus Prime moment soon. Before you go on your Kubo hates her, remember, Sasuke practically took over before that happened. It's always darkest before dawn.

***TELEPORTS OUT***

ShadowGUN

03-18-2009, 09:25 AM

http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/4193/b01joq.jpg
He mumbles he is hearing a woman’s “what to do”?
Then, it starts from a collection of pics.
Pics of awakening Kurosaki.
Then it finishs with that.
Somehow, this chapter has very little conversation.

On the pic
Orihime : is that really Kurosaki-kun?

Ulquiorra: "That’s impossible… This is obviously a cero! It even fires away the black cero… Possibly this cannot be.. No matter how close he is to a hollow, a human is to fire a cero…"

Ulquiorra get caught by Ichigo and his left arm is torn off.

:eek:

*starts humming "Number One" *

Oh snap. Looks like Ichigo has taken the kid's gloves off :cool: .

garfield15

03-18-2009, 10:01 AM

THAT MASK! I SAW THAT MASK BEFORE IN A FAN DRAWING! I didn't think it was going to be real. But that was like 4 months ago.

Ulquoria's arm is gone? Well he's dead now.

Mr. Obsession

03-18-2009, 12:14 PM

Well, I'm pleasantly surprised to see that I was wrong in thinking Ichigo would go full hollow body. I kind of like it. Though based on the little bit of text that's available right now I don't know if it can safely be stated who is in control of Ichigo's body right now.

Also, that mask. It reminds me of a one of the chapter covers, but I never thought Kubo would use that design since it was different from the mask Ichigo's been using, and what showed up during the Vizard training.

And is that some kind of armor on his shoulders?

EDIT: Found it, chapter 289.
http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/6907/0203e.jpg
Talk about foreshadowing, that was two years ago.

Don_East

03-18-2009, 12:18 PM

Honestly, the only transformation I want to see Ichigo do now is this...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TgavW7pdIQ

:D

MissTetra

03-18-2009, 01:45 PM

Honestly, the only transformation I want to see Ichigo do now is this...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TgavW7pdIQ

:D
JYB FTW! :D Why was the one dude so worried about him turning into a ranger though? XD

I'm very excited for this chapter! Someone pointed out on another site that Ichigo mentioned Orihime's "what to do" which was actually her inner thoughts. :eek: IchiHime maybe? ;)

Kazuya Prower

03-18-2009, 02:04 PM

JYB FTW! :D Why was the one dude so worried about him turning into a ranger though? XD

The power morpher was damaged, which means his transformation could be risky.

Rud

03-18-2009, 03:43 PM

Ulquiora nooooooo!, dammit, well, whatever, nobody ever defeats the instant power up of death so its pretty over.

Captain Highwind

03-18-2009, 03:58 PM

A little god of war in the design again.

So yeah, this could shake things up quite a bit, as far as Ichigo's (and by extension, Isshin's*) origins are concerned. I mean, how many different inner Hollow personae can the guy have? Could be like a Rosetta/Philosopher Stone/Base Hollow species or something.

(*and by further extension via speculation, the origin of whoever the guy is that's in charge of Soul Society...)

Mett

03-18-2009, 04:14 PM

And is that some kind of armor on his shoulders?

I thought that was just what was left of his robes.

Novapocalypse

03-18-2009, 06:46 PM

Jesus Christ, Kubo's becoming brutal with these battles. First Matsumoto's wound, then Ishida's hand, and now this.

Although I can say this is awesome. I am finally interested in this battle somewhat, but it still could use a few other tweaks...

garfield15

03-18-2009, 06:49 PM

\

EDIT: Found it, chapter 289.
http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/6907/0203e.jpg
Talk about foreshadowing, that was two years ago.
Gotta admit, that is some epic foreshadowing.

LinkG07

03-18-2009, 07:01 PM

Gotta admit, that is some epic foreshadowing.

Wait wait wait... Ichigo now officially has 4 forms?? What the hell??

garfield15

03-18-2009, 07:13 PM

Wait wait wait... Ichigo now officially has 4 forms?? What the hell??
You mean, shinigami, bankai, visored, and I guess technically, hollow?

I guess so, yeah. (Just one more and he'll have as many as Goku)

Beat

03-18-2009, 07:43 PM

This week, power ups! And more power ups!

Looks like Ulq's cosplay outfit is broken. No one survives the random power up of doom!

Also, someone get Inoue some pom-poms.

Neo Ultra Mike

03-18-2009, 08:35 PM

To be fair we've had hintings of Ichigo having a more hollowish form for awhile actually (at least since the battle with his inner hollow with the Visoreds) and though using a design that was a special splash cover page is a nice twist, I'm still not digging this power up. I still don't really think Ichigo earns his power ups. Yes he gets throughouly pummeled by his foe time and time again but it's always the same thing that happens later: "oh I just remembered that I have to win: Super reserves of spiritual pressure power up in the form of something go!" and he gets far stronger. Really it's pretty ridicolous how it happens. Even Naruto at least bothers coming up with actual new attacks or stategies he's planned out beforehand and dosen't bother taking people's glory as much when he does find new power. Can't say the same for Ichigo.

LinkG07

03-18-2009, 08:39 PM

I think the perfect example of what Ichigo is, is the main guy from Kung-fu Hustle. You beat him down, he comes back stronger, you beat him down some more, he comes back stronger, you beat him to near death and he becomes ____in jesus.

warnerbroman

03-18-2009, 09:49 PM

This week, power ups! And more power ups!

Looks like Ulq's cosplay outfit is broken. No one survives the random power up of doom!

Also, someone get Inoue some pom-poms. and a very small skirt and top

garfield15

03-18-2009, 09:56 PM

and a very small skirt and top
And some whipped cream and fudge. Ooh, and lets get Rangiku and Halibel in there!

......What?

warnerbroman

03-18-2009, 09:58 PM

garfield15

03-18-2009, 10:15 PM

all we need now is someones head blowing upA head-splosion? In this age of shounen manga?

When do you think this is? The 80's?

Beat

03-18-2009, 10:26 PM

And some whipped cream and fudge. Ooh, and lets get Rangiku and Halibel in there!

......What?

That's the most popular filler episode ever waiting to happen.

Funkatron

03-19-2009, 11:17 AM

Out Early this week.

I don't think Orihime is to blame for this
Ulqui doomed himself. How? He gave Ichigo a hollow hole, thus bringing on this funky transformation. What annoys me is that it looks nothing like Fully Hollow Ichigo from chapters back

Mr. Obsession

03-19-2009, 02:06 PM

I think what we've seen in this chapter is that somewhere along the line Ichigo's hollow body evolved from the equivalent of an adjuchas (humanoid lizard thing) to a vasto lorde (fully human body with some markings and fur and a new mask). I know it's been a fan debate for a long time about what class of hollow Ichigo has within, with some fans claiming the as Ichigo's hollow gains more control of Ichigo's power it moves up the menos ladder, while others say it's not possible because it defies the definition of what a manos is. But come one, he just effortlessly ripped off Ulquiorra's arm. Whether he's officially a vasto lorde class hollow, or he's some sort of weird equivalent, Hollow Ichigo obviously has the power of one.

Though I do wonder if the anime is going to give New Hollow Ichigo a unique cero color (which seems to be all the rage these days) of if it's going to be the standard red.

Oh, and summoning Zangetsu was pretty sweet.

Captain Highwind

03-19-2009, 02:17 PM

Yeah, this is a completely different creature. Kubo's on to something here, I don't think it's just a lame power-up.

Oh, and summoning Zangetsu was pretty sweet.

Somewhere along the way, Ichigo became a Sith. :P

Paul_Cousins

03-19-2009, 03:56 PM

Yeah, this is a completely different creature. Kubo's on to something here, I don't think it's just a lame power-up.

Somewhere along the way, Ichigo became a Sith. :PIt's not Hollow Ichigo's personality because he's too calm and quiet.

warnerbroman

03-19-2009, 06:38 PM

It's not Hollow Ichigo's personality because he's too calm and quiet. you did not see the scream?

RockmanDash

03-19-2009, 06:42 PM

I'm surprised people are not showing pics of this new hollow form O_o.

Scirel

03-19-2009, 08:22 PM

And some whipped cream and fudge. Ooh, and lets get Rangiku and Halibel in there!

......What?

No Neliel = Epic Fail.

That's what.

It's not Hollow Ichigo's personality because he's too calm and quiet.

Also, ShiroSaki is overconfident and cocky. He'd be boasting about his eventual win and cackling like crazy by now.

My Guess, he's achieved the equivalent of what Ulq just achieved, the arrancar bankai. Now he has essentially two Soul reaper releases stacked onto two hollow releases.

Because of this, we know a new class of spiritual being will be showing up, since this can`t be the last power up. Ichigo needs to fight Aizen and lose, then fight him and win in the Higher SS.

garfield15

03-19-2009, 08:31 PM

http://i350.photobucket.com/albums/q422/j_reader/motivator3515120.jpg

No Neliel = Epic Fail.

That's what.
Well I wanted to put Neliel in but you know, some of these guys are all like "Ooh noes, loli problem" and I'm like "Look, it's three forms for the price of one, what more do you want?"

.....What?

EDIT: Oh by the way, might as well get this out now

(clears throat) ARRANCAR BANKAI KUBO?!!!! AT LEAST TRY NOT TO LOOK LIKE YOU'RE DOING THE SAME ARC AGAIN!

(I mean, heck, Reborn is repeating the same arc as the last one and I didn't even realize it until somebody mentioned the similarities)

anime_guru

03-19-2009, 09:03 PM

perhaps I'm the only one that's noticing this trend but
why is orihime always close to ichigo when he summons the deus ex machina power up? Could be something there...

Mr. Obsession

03-19-2009, 11:38 PM

Well, there is the crazy theory that Bleach is just one of Orihime's wacky daydreams. Her crush is the main character. The plot likes to take weird twists. She's the first person in the group who knew who Ishida was. And some fans like to accuse her of being a Mary Sue.

Though it doesn't explain why her BFF Tatsuki hasn't done much. =\

Captain Highwind

03-19-2009, 11:44 PM

Though it doesn't explain why her BFF Tatsuki hasn't done much. =\

She should be a spirit-particle shooting Amazon by now.

It's one of the many reasons why I wish they'd get back to Urahara's corner of the universe.

Beat

03-19-2009, 11:49 PM

The end of the story revelals that Orihime's universe haxxor powers destroyed the Bleach-verse and she is recounting the story in an insane asylum. Apparently being an unknown goddess and accidentally annhilating your crush from reality would do that.

That's a bit too dark though.

Mr. Obsession

03-20-2009, 12:09 AM

It's one of the many reasons why I wish they'd get back to Urahara's corner of the universe.I still think Tatsuki's going to become a shinigami before the series is over (I'm hung up on that color sketch Kubo did for the art book). Complete with the training from hell Urahara put Ichigo through before shipping him off to Soul Society for the first time.

Rud

03-20-2009, 04:00 PM

Though it doesn't explain why her BFF Tatsuki hasn't done much. =\

there's nothing wrong with that.

Anime Freak

03-25-2009, 09:06 PM

Early spoilers out for 352:

-Ulqorria regenerates his arm and remarks that he has the fastest regeneration in HM. He then charges up an extremely powerful attack(Lancer something) that he fears is too dangerous to do at close range, and fires at Ichigo!

-Ichigo fires a Sonido at Ulqorria and evades the first powerful attack. He then appears in front of Ulqorria, Ulqorria tries the powerful Lancer attack at close range but Ichigo shocks him by knocking it out of the way.

-Ichigo fires a grand cero at ulqorria and brings him to the ground, he says "too bad you never stood a chance" and the chapter ends with him blasting a powerful attack at Ulqorria's head.

garfield15

03-25-2009, 09:36 PM

Ladies and Gentlemen, Devilman has left the building...

Novapocalypse

03-25-2009, 09:56 PM

I recall a few people earlier in the thread saying that a characters head could never be blown up in a modern shounen. :p

garfield15

03-25-2009, 10:15 PM

I recall a few people earlier in the thread saying that a characters head could never be blown up in a modern shounen. :p
There is a large difference between blasting someone's head off in a huge beam that we never see their faces during it and a "HOKUTO! HYAKURETSU-KEN" head-splosion that distorts their faces and expressions while it happens...

Yeah, I went there :p

RockmanDash

03-25-2009, 10:22 PM

Ichigo's title has been changed from "Orihime's savior" to "Extreme badass that blows off heads'

garfield15

03-25-2009, 10:32 PM

Ichigo's title has been changed from "Orihime's savior" to "Extreme ASS-PULL HAXXOR that blows off heads'

Fix'd ;)

RockmanDash

03-25-2009, 10:33 PM

Fix'd ;)

*jaw drops* So..so...true! ;_; Ichigo your lucky your not some whiny emo kid or else I would dislike your random power ups.

But this power up makes sense I hate to say it but.. how is Ichigo alive with a giant hole through his organs and stomach? Is his Hollow powers some sort of life alert as well?

Rud

03-25-2009, 10:47 PM

I HATE random power ups, and this is the cheapest power up so far too, but more importantly, Ulquiorra NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!:(:(:(:crying:

Beat

03-25-2009, 10:49 PM

Guess Ulquorria wasn't as close to Devilman as we all thought.

And Ichigo's has more haxxor than freaking Headmaster.

Don_East

03-25-2009, 10:54 PM

Where's your Nagai now?

HA HA YOU'RE DEAD!

Sorry, but the fangirls made me dislike him.

RockmanDash

03-25-2009, 10:58 PM

Where's your Nagai now?

About Ulqorria being killed...
HA HA YOU'RE DEAD!

Sorry, but the fangirls made me dislike him.

Hold on Don_East.. this is Ichigo we are talking about. If anything he will let Uliqurria live and be all "LAWLZ NOW YOU OWEZ ME EVEN THOUGH YOU KIDNAPZ MY LOVA AND BLEW OFF MY RIVALZ HAND! SO COME BACKZ WHEN I'M ALMOST DEAD TO SACERFICE YOURSELF KK?"

>_> That or Orihime will hug Ichigo to get him out of his new form which will make fans go "AWWWWWW.."

garfield15

03-25-2009, 10:59 PM

Hold on Don_East.. this is Ichigo we are talking about. If anything he will let Uliqurria live and be all "LAWLZ NOW YOU OWEZ ME EVEN THOUGH YOU KIDNAPZ MY LOVA AND BLEW OFF MY RIVALZ HAND! SO COME BACKZ WHEN I'M ALMOST DEAD TO SACERFICE YOURSELF KK?"

This is completely true, however, this is also Tite Kubo we're talking about...

Beat

03-25-2009, 11:02 PM

Kubo- I'm today's Go Nagai! Really!

Cut to six months from now, when a Nagai one shot has a bunch of shinigami look alikes being murdered in horrible fashion.

Neo Ultra Mike

03-25-2009, 11:05 PM

originally posted by garfield15
This is completely true, however, this is also Tite Kubo we're talking about...

... SO? Dosen't that mean it's more then likley to repeat with how much Tite likes to repeat plotlines over again and again? IMHO the only real way to redeem this whole pulled out of the ass power up is if Ichigo's hollow half was in complete control and got to totally evisicrate Ulqourira. And when Ichigo tried pulling his hollow form back he wasn't able to and Hollow Ichigo regained control and that's when Orihime had to step in. And not hug him to death (that would just be a repeat of Sakura getting Sasuke's evil under control from the forest of death in Naruto. And Even if Kubo is a repeat offender he's not a ripoff artist) but actually use her powers on him in some amazing new way which hints at how deadly they are. I have a feeling though that we won't get that satisfying ending though and somehow Ulqourra will come through this alive but weaker to Ichigo. Don't know how but hey Kubo can throw screwy twists like whatever just for the sake of it I guess.

warnerbroman

03-25-2009, 11:37 PM

I recall a few people earlier in the thread saying that a characters head could never be blown up in a modern shounen. :p that's me!!

Novapocalypse

03-25-2009, 11:56 PM

Ulquiorra is probably still alive, this is Bleach after all. Momo and Toshiro survived getting completely owned at the end of SS.(as well as the other half of the cast)

Rud

03-26-2009, 12:01 AM

Ulquiorra is probably still alive, this is Bleach after all. Momo and Toshiro survived getting completely owned at the end of SS.(as well as the other half of the cast)

well, their injuries were survivable (by shounen standards), Ulquiorra no longer has a head, only way i see him living is if Orihime decides to play god some more.

Don_East

03-26-2009, 12:02 AM

Hold on Don_East.. this is Ichigo we are talking about. If anything he will let Uliqurria live and be all "LAWLZ NOW YOU OWEZ ME EVEN THOUGH YOU KIDNAPZ MY LOVA AND BLEW OFF MY RIVALZ HAND! SO COME BACKZ WHEN I'M ALMOST DEAD TO SACERFICE YOURSELF KK?"
Great, thanks for reminding me. :sad:

Ulquiorra is probably still alive, this is Bleach after all. Momo and Toshiro survived getting completely owned at the end of SS.(as well as the other half of the cast)
Has Momo done anything since that? I know she was involved in one of the fights a few months ago but I forgot. Honestly she should've died, could've been the perfect symbol of how Aizen doesn't regret his betrayl.

garfield15

03-26-2009, 10:46 AM

Ulquiorra is probably still alive, this is Bleach after all. Momo and Toshiro survived getting completely owned at the end of SS.(as well as the other half of the cast)
The only problem is, that was Soul Society arc rules. Soul Society arc rules were that everybody that releases their swords lives.

In Hueco Mundo arc rules, everyone who releases their swords, dies

anime_guru

03-26-2009, 03:28 PM

... SO? Dosen't that mean it's more then likley to repeat with how much Tite likes to repeat plotlines over again and again? IMHO the only real way to redeem this whole pulled out of the ass power up is if Ichigo's hollow half was in complete control and got to totally evisicrate Ulqourira. And when Ichigo tried pulling his hollow form back he wasn't able to and Hollow Ichigo regained control and that's when Orihime had to step in. And not hug him to death (that would just be a repeat of Sakura getting Sasuke's evil under control from the forest of death in Naruto. And Even if Kubo is a repeat offender he's not a ripoff artist) but actually use her powers on him in some amazing new way which hints at how deadly they are. I have a feeling though that we won't get that satisfying ending though and somehow Ulqourra will come through this alive but weaker to Ichigo. Don't know how but hey Kubo can throw screwy twists like whatever just for the sake of it I guess.

mike I agree with you, but this is bleach we are talking about. I expect the run of the mill shonen bull crap until I'm proven wrong. I would love for ichigo to go full berserk and everyone has to join up to fight their fellow comrad...and by the grace of god devilman pull some victory out of his butt with the help of orihime. It would be nice if that sent her over the edge though =)

RockmanDash

03-26-2009, 04:30 PM

mike I agree with you, but this is bleach we are talking about. I expect the run of the mill shonen bull crap until I'm proven wrong. I would love for ichigo to go full berserk and everyone has to join up to fight their fellow comrad...and by the grace of god devilman pull some victory out of his butt with the help of orihime. It would be nice if that sent her over the edge though =)

I think some of you guys are using the sentence "This is Bleach we are talking about!" a bit to much. So what if it's Bleach? Most stuff in Bleach has been letting the villains live or letting them die themselves or just running away in general.

Neo Ultra Mike

03-26-2009, 05:12 PM

Originally posted by garfield15
The only problem is, that was Soul Society arc rules. Soul Society arc rules were that everybody that releases their swords lives.

In Hueco Mundo arc rules, everyone who releases their swords, dies

Garfield15 makes a good point.

... As well as pretty much points out the only MAJOR difference in fight structure this time around: the fact that the losing party actually DIES. Well so long as they're villians anyway. Really no one would bother dying in the Soul Society arc (Besides a few random extras Mayuri blew up). Here at least all the Arrancar bite the dust. Unless they're facing one of our heroes and are sparred and either killled off by someone else and go off to the background to do... whatever for the next bunch of chapters. Thinking about it the only chance Ulqourra has of surviving this fight is if he ends up reverting back to his original mode. Think about it: Whose the only Espada whose released who has a chance of still being around? Grimmjow? And he reverted back to his original form after his battle with Ichigo. If you are offed in your released form it's over for you. If not well you might still have a chance for some reason or another.

Originally posted by anime_guru
mike I agree with you, but this is bleach we are talking about. I expect the run of the mill shonen bull crap until I'm proven wrong. I would love for ichigo to go full berserk and everyone has to join up to fight their fellow comrad...and by the grace of god devilman pull some victory out of his butt with the help of orihime. It would be nice if that sent her over the edge though =)

I have no idea if what I said will happen or not just what I would WANT to happen. I'm not going to bother predicting where Bleach is going: I was hoping that when Orihime came back she'd actually help out in the fight and was proven so wrong it wasn't funny about that. (And to the people who say she'll never help out in a fight: If that was true then Kubo wouldn't of bothered HINTING AT HOW DANGEROUS HER POWERS ARE SUBTLEY FOR THE LAST 100 OR SO CHAPTERS! Seriously if he never followed up on that he'd absoutley fail as a writer. No amount of devilmen or Hollow power ups would get him out of that fact.

Originally posted by Megaman X
I think some of you guys are using the sentence "This is Bleach we are talking about!" a bit to much. So what if it's Bleach? Most stuff in Bleach has been letting the villains live or letting them die themselves or just running away in general.

Hey I really liked Bleach even over Naruto and One Piece when I first saw it on AS. Until I saw more on how it just became a place for random Ichigo power ups and how it gives into those banals of generic shonen comedy I'd have hoped it would be better then. (Seriously I would kill for a scene of Ichigo kicking Ruika like he did in the first episode. Sure I'm sure he'd get kicked by her for somethign or other nowadays but I doubt they'd ever reverse the roles like that ever again). It has it's moments sure and is worth contiously watching but... it's not nearly as good as I thought it'd be. Or rather I realized what kind of show it is exactly and am sort of disappointed with the results. Besides I don't think anyone here was complaining latley about how they let the villians run away or kill themselves. We're complaining about Ichigo's random hollow power up, Orihimie's continued uselessness and where the hell this story is actually going to go from here.

garfield15

03-26-2009, 05:19 PM

Garfield15 makes a good point.

... As well as pretty much points out the only MAJOR difference in fight structure this time around: the fact that the losing party actually DIES. Well so long as they're villians anyway. Really no one would bother dying in the Soul Society arc (Besides a few random extras Mayuri blew up). Here at least all the Arrancar bite the dust. Unless they're facing one of our heroes and are sparred and either killled off by someone else and go off to the background to do... whatever for the next bunch of chapters. Thinking about it the only chance Ulqourra has of surviving this fight is if he ends up reverting back to his original mode. Think about it: Whose the only Espada whose released who has a chance of still being around? Grimmjow? And he reverted back to his original form after his battle with Ichigo. If you are offed in your released form it's over for you. If not well you might still have a chance for some reason or another.

Kishimoto and Kubo have this weird thing of letting the fans know when an enemy is going to die. With Kubo, it's when they release their swords. With Kishimoto, with Akatsuki, they lose their cloak.
Even Pain :p

(Well I guess we don't know that for sure yet)

Beat

03-26-2009, 06:19 PM

. (And to the people who say she'll never help out in a fight: If that was true then Kubo wouldn't of bothered HINTING AT HOW DANGEROUS HER POWERS ARE SUBTLEY FOR THE LAST 100 OR SO CHAPTERS! Seriously if he never followed up on that he'd absoutley fail as a writer. No amount of devilmen or Hollow power ups would get him out of that fact.

Could I go there? Should I go there?

It'll depend on if Ulq survives, or by some miracle comes back and defats Ichigo. Actually, that would be enjoyable, if extremely unlikely, to see Ulq start really acting like Devilman to put Ichigo in his place.

RockmanDash

03-26-2009, 06:40 PM

Could I go there? Should I go there?

It'll depend on if Ulq survives, or by some miracle comes back and defats Ichigo. Actually, that would be enjoyable, if extremely unlikely, to see Ulq start really acting like Devilman to put Ichigo in his place.

Personally I would love it if the battle ended with Ichigo thinking he won and transforms back to normal with Ulq slashing him right in the back knocking him out. And Ulq then fainting from being blown apart from Ichigo's new form attacks. I was going to say Ulq winning and leaving but his loyalty to Aizen and all..(besides hiding his forms.)

silvanoir

03-26-2009, 11:02 PM

garfield15

03-26-2009, 11:05 PM

silvanoir

03-26-2009, 11:39 PM

Oh god, are they still pulling this "one-winged Ulquiorra" crud?

They think there's going to be a whole redemption arc for Ulquiorra, and that Orihime is going to save Ulquiorra from Ichigo. I'm serious. :shrug:

And they keep arguing at me that it was KIND for Ulquiorra to rip off Ishida's and instead of killing him. Gee, I think I'll go rip off people's hands and see how many people think I'm kind. And that Ulquiorra can't possibly hurt anyone because he doesn't understand their hearts and minds. Of course, you can't hurt people if you don't understand them! Ignorance and violence solves everything! No wait...

garfield15

03-26-2009, 11:43 PM

They think there's going to be a whole redemption arc for Ulquiorra, and that Orihime is going to save Ulquiorra from Ichigo. I'm serious. :shrug:

And they keep arguing at me that it was KIND for Ulquiorra to rip off Ishida's and instead of killing him. Gee, I think I'll go rip off people's hands and see how many people think I'm kind. And that Ulquiorra can't possibly hurt anyone because he doesn't understand their hearts and minds. Of course, you can't hurt people if you don't understand them! Ignorance and violence solves everything! No wait...
Hello Mr. Desk, I'd like you to meet my head!

Are these freaking serious? HOW IS TEARING OFF AN ARM MERCI...you know what, forget it...

And a redemption arc!? THIS IS NOT CLAMP FANGIRLS!

Luna

03-26-2009, 11:57 PM

If I see one more fangirl on other forums crying about how Ichigo is "so cruel" to hurt their precious Ulquiorra (who according to them has some secret heart of gold), I'm going to bash my head against a wall.

Ulquiorra tried to kill Ichigo twice by blasting holes through him, and nearly did kill him if it wasn't for Orihime. He kidnapped Orihime and has actively trying to make her miserable ever since. He ripped off Ishida's hand. Yeah, real swell guy. Really, if someone tried to kill you multiple times, and hurt your friends (emotionally and physically) and showed no remorse for it, would you be all "Hey, it's ok man, let's be pals?" No.

Good riddance to the emo-bat.Thank you....I've never understood fangirl attraction to clearly evil,seemingly emotionless guys....I can understand if they actually turn out to not be so bad after all (like Byakuya Kuchiki),or if they do have a caring side (like Sesshomaru from Inuyasha,who ends up looking after Rin),but somehow I don't see that happening with Ulquiorra...if so,it'd be near impossible for it not to be out of left field level ridiculous...

Don_East

03-27-2009, 12:28 AM

They think there's going to be a whole redemption arc for Ulquiorra, and that Orihime is going to save Ulquiorra from Ichigo. I'm serious. :shrug:

And they keep arguing at me that it was KIND for Ulquiorra to rip off Ishida's and instead of killing him. Gee, I think I'll go rip off people's hands and see how many people think I'm kind. And that Ulquiorra can't possibly hurt anyone because he doesn't understand their hearts and minds. Of course, you can't hurt people if you don't understand them! Ignorance and violence solves everything! No wait...
o_O

Redemption? But he... There's no way she... And... And...

***SIGH***

Hello Mr. Desk, I'd like you to meet my head!
Mind I join you?

SigmasonicX

03-27-2009, 02:34 AM

Aaaand... the fight turned out to be Yusuke vs. Sensui without the part where they were fighting roughly evenly.

FireStarterLE

03-27-2009, 03:26 AM

Aaaand... the fight turned out to be Yusuke vs. Sensui without the part where they were fighting roughly evenly.

What would be funny is if it was daddy who jumped in to Ichigo to finish up the fight :sweat:

buuut something tells me Isshin Kurosaki was not a hollow. This one was all Ichigo, one way or the other.

Next chapter: conclusion and the state of Ichigo's consciousness

XOMiss_Samantha

03-27-2009, 06:29 AM

Nooooooooooooo Ulquiorra! That last page makes me sad...although there isn't much you can do but try to kill an arrancar, and then do it when you have the chance.
Stupid Ichigo.hmph!
D=

anime_guru

03-27-2009, 08:47 AM

my guess is that ichigo misses at point blank range and says some cocky bs that he is not him (despite him using sonido)
the chapter just wasn't that great. I mean huzzah that ichigo is finally winning but this is excessive and a bit forced. Now ichigo is a full arrancar so to speak

garfield15

03-27-2009, 09:18 AM

http://i350.photobucket.com/albums/q422/j_reader/motivator8444917.jpg

ShadowGUN

03-27-2009, 09:19 AM

And so the battle is over. Ichigo has claim victory over Ulq. I expect Ichigo to show him mercy thought. That how he rolls after all.

Mett

03-27-2009, 10:08 AM

And so the battle is over. Ichigo has claim victory over Ulq. I expect Ichigo to show him mercy thought. That how he rolls after all.

Is he in control of that thing even?

ShadowGUN

03-27-2009, 10:37 AM

Is he in control of that thing even?

The fact his friends are still alive must mean that Ichigo has some control over it. Plus he has overpowered his Hollow side before and always in the nick of time so I wouldn't be surprised if he does it again.

warnerbroman

03-27-2009, 01:26 PM

The fact his friends are still alive must mean that Ichigo has some control over it. Plus he has overpowered his Hollow side before and always in the nick of time so I wouldn't be surprised if he does it again.silly rabbit everyone knows that psycho-powerups always kill the enemy first then eat the allies

Rud

03-27-2009, 03:30 PM

that was a curb stomp battle for the ages.............. i hope Ulq lives though, guess itl depend on whose king and whose horse though.

Novapocalypse

03-27-2009, 11:43 PM

Rud

03-27-2009, 11:49 PM

and goes on a rampage and it's up to the captains in Hueco Mundo and his friends to help him.

and they would fail miserably, going by simple comparisons, the way Ulq was trashing Ichigo with such ease after he could beat Grim and the way new Ichigo trashed his just as much ease.

Nobody in Hueco Mundo stands a snowballs chance against Ichigo even if they all atacked at once right now (excluding any Vato Lorde lurking around or omething).

Paul_Cousins

03-28-2009, 12:39 AM

The way I see it is

1.) Ulqui is dead. Ichigo owned him. Only Hollow Ichigo's "don't die again" thing said so long ago means he is now in control, and goes on a rampage and it's up to the captains in Hueco Mundo and his friends to help him.

2.) Ichigo is in full control now. He leaves Ulqui alive. (the blast only being an inch away from his head)Or 3. We are seeing the "Grey Hulk" version of Hollow Ichigo. He's not a complete psycho path like Hollow Ichigo is, but definitely not a good guy either.

reddiOx

03-28-2009, 04:10 AM

Whether or not Ulq remains alive after this, the battle between them is definitely over. He said it himself; he was beaten. He has no reason to live. Wonder where they'll go with that, though. I'm not expecting him to actually die.

Captain Highwind

03-28-2009, 08:18 AM

and they would fail miserably, going by simple comparisons, the way Ulq was trashing Ichigo with such ease after he could beat Grim and the way new Ichigo trashed his just as much ease.

Nobody in Hueco Mundo stands a snowballs chance against Ichigo even if they all atacked at once right now (excluding any Vato Lorde lurking around or omething).

Which brings me to this:

Somebody said before, what if Ichigo gets kidnapped and forced to stay in Hueco Mundo so that everybody else has to fend for themselves?

This is one step past that--What if this thing that Ichigo's become, suddenly wants to take Hueco Mundo from Aizen? Now that's a turning point in the story. Changes up the whole Winter War thing.

Sorry, I'm way past Ulquiorra dying. I'm more worried for what's going to happen to Ishida and Orihime at this point. ^^;

Funkatron

03-28-2009, 08:24 AM

Which brings me to this:

Somebody said before, what if Ichigo gets kidnapped and forced to stay in Hueco Mundo so that everybody else has to fend for themselves?

This is one step past that--What if this thing that Ichigo's become, suddenly wants to take Hueco Mundo from Aizen? Now that's a turning point in the story. Changes up the whole Winter War thing.

Sorry, I'm way past Ulquiorra dying. I'm more worried for what's going to happen to Ishida and Orihime at this point. ^^;

Aizen: This was my plan all along!!!!

garfield15

03-28-2009, 09:10 AM

Aizen: This was my plan all along!!!!
http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/8840/asplannedrd3.jpg

Icer

03-28-2009, 01:20 PM

Sure seems like they gave Ulquiora too much attention in hindsight. Tossed aside in 2 chapters after transformation.

Mr. Obsession

03-28-2009, 03:39 PM

Color me disappointed that Hollow Ichigo didn't at least try to use Ulquiora's severed arm as a club. I wanted "stop hitting yourself" images. :(

And add me to the "Ulquiora is dead" camp.

The way I see it is

1.) Ulqui is dead. Ichigo owned him. Only Hollow Ichigo's "don't die again" thing said so long ago means he is now in control, and goes on a rampage and it's up to the captains in Hueco Mundo and his friends to help him.

And who in Hueco Mundo is going to stop him long enough to help him? Ichigo's friends who couldn't beat any of the Espada on their own? Kenpachi, who fought to a draw against pre-bankai Ichigo? Byakuya, who had problems fighting Ichigo who was using his bankai for the first time? Mayuri, who has had his own bankai defeated by both Uryu and Szayel? Unohana? Yammy?

At this point I'd kind of like to see Hollow Ichigo rip open a hole to Fake Karakura town and go on a rampage there.

Aizen: This was my plan all along!!!!

It wouldn't surprise me. Aizen has already proven that he's hopelessly in love with the Xanatos Gambit.

Up until Ulquiora revealed his second "secret" form (and I'm still not convinced that it's as secret as he believed), he had been portrayed as the most loyal of the Espada to Aizen. His own introduction was a scouting mission to test Ichigo. He used mind games to get both Orihime and Ichigo into Hueco Mundo, and he used them again both times he fought Ichigo. When challenged about letting Ichigo live, he said he would kill Ichigo himself if he became a problem, something he attempted twice. Both times Ulquiora punctured Ichigo approximately were the standard hollow hole is (yes Grimmjow said Ulquiora has a habit of putting holes in people where his own hollow hole is, but I don't buy that anymore). But, the first time Ulquiora told him that if could survive the wound he should leave Hueco Mundo. So what if it wasn't intended to kill Ichigo, rather transform him into what he is now?

What if Aizen was never able to find or convince any vasto lorde to join him? We know he wants them for his army. So wouldn't the next best thing be to make an army of vasto lorde equivalents? We've seen what this new Ichigo can do. Now imagine ten of them serving Aizen, with Ichigo himself being the first recruit.

Captain Highwind

03-28-2009, 03:48 PM

This also opens the door for better power-ups from the main cast, as well as Isshin finally having to do something.

thenewme93

03-29-2009, 01:38 PM

This also opens the door for better power-ups from the main cast, as well as Isshin finally having to do something.

YES!! I thought I was the only one who remembered Isshin existed..

garfield15

03-29-2009, 03:24 PM

Nay, I've been wanting to see other people who isn't a main character for quite some time now. That's one of the reasons why I haven't really been into Bleach as of late.
The Vizards are who again? :p

ShadowGUN

03-31-2009, 11:25 AM

Spoiler are out.
Look like a mindless Hollow Ichigo as set his sites on Uryu and attacks him with a Cero. Also Yammi appears before Chad,Rukia and Renji. Ulq breaks one of Ichigo horns and chapters end.

garfield15

03-31-2009, 11:30 AM

Ah, so he did go the crazy, mindless route after all. Watch out Uryu.

What is with Yammy and his Kool-Aid man appearances?

Whoa, there are characters that aren't Ichigo, Orihime and Ulquoirra in this story? I completely forgot! :p

Novapocalypse

03-31-2009, 12:25 PM

This is a perfect time for Unohana to finally fight.

Mr. Obsession

03-31-2009, 01:06 PM

According to the more detailed spoilers:
- Yammy lands in front of Rukia, Renji, and Chad. He rants about killing Uryu.
- Ichigo isn't completely mindless (just really, really focused?).
- Ulquiorra wasn't completely vaporized and is regenerating.
- Uryu got stabbed because he got in Ichigo's way. He was trying to stop Ichigo because with Ulquiorra down Uryu didn't want Ichigo to lose anymore of his humanity.
- Ulquiorra comes to the rescue when Ichgio starts to fire a cero at Uryu.

This is a perfect time for Unohana to finally fight.Yes please! I'm tired of nothing but references to how powerful she is. Come on Kubo, let Unohana show off for once.

Mett

03-31-2009, 04:03 PM

Yes! Lets stop him from killing the guy who just RIPPED OFF MY ARM! What the hell Ishida!

Captain Highwind

03-31-2009, 05:06 PM

Wow, I wonder if Ulquiorra really is that honorable, but I doubt it. Spoilers usually word intentions wrong, so he's probably just trying to get a punch in before he dies.

That's hilarious about Yammy lying that he killed Ishida though. What a pathetic glory hog. ^^

anime_guru

03-31-2009, 05:07 PM

Yes! Lets stop him from killing the guy who just RIPPED OFF MY ARM! What the hell Ishida!

so ishida pulls a picolo and fails in the process. Who needs nobility anyway??? I hate to say it but I'm going back to my happy filler zone:sweat:

MeggieMay

04-02-2009, 10:01 PM

Yes! Lets stop him from killing the guy who just RIPPED OFF MY ARM! What the hell Ishida!
Well the spoilers I read point to Ishida not trying to save the bad guy but Ichigo from completely losing himself.

Still, I'm wondering why Kudo is going all "beat the living crap out of Ishida" of late. I also can't shake the feeling this is a set up that Ishida may not really be Ishida because I also can't quite figure out why Ishida is suddenly trying to save Ichigo to begin with. It's not particuarly smart of him to take on Ichigo in that state, plus that isn't really Ishida's normal recaction IMO (I would think Ishida would be trying to protect Orihima first, verse taking on a crazed Ichigo).

Then again, if my weird feeling pans out it has the makings of being a very good twist similar to something pulled off in ST: DS9 :) .

Baseball

04-03-2009, 12:40 AM

Ishida thought Ulquiorra was already dead--I guess he didn't want Ichigo to mutilate Ulquiorra in front of Orihime.

Also, hell to the yeah, Chad vs. Yammy.

RockmanDash

04-03-2009, 12:41 AM

Ishida thought Ulquiorra was already dead--I guess he didn't want Ichigo to mutilate Ulquiorra in front of Orihime.

Also, hell to the yeah, Chad vs. Yammy.

Chad it's time for you to prove you can shine twice in the same place! >: O That or Renji since he has not actually "won" a fight in this place.

Yet Chad getting revenge would be completely awesome.

FlyByNite77

04-03-2009, 03:54 AM

What the heck is with Ishida? The Quincy's don't save souls like Shinigami do. There's a hollow and they destroy it, elminating the soul. The Shinigami when they kill a hollow they save the soul and purify it.

So his actions don't make much sense. His powers (That he himself has utilized hundreds if not thousands of times) has destroyed as many souls as Hollow's he's killed.

and now we get to Ichigo fighting Ulqiu and HE STOPS HIM? C'mon. This better be someone posing as Ishida, cuz it just makes no sense. This is an ESPADA. YOU KILL/DESTROY ESPADAS! Maybe Ichigo is going crazy overboard, but he's going to destroy a friggin Espada!

XOMiss_Samantha

04-03-2009, 06:27 AM

Well...in a sense I can understand why Ishida attempted to stop Ichigo. If he killed Ulqui in his present form, Ishida probably sees it as him loosing his humanity because normal Ichigo would never go to such lengths to "carve up" a corpse after winning. Maybe he's worried that if Ichigo goes over the edge as a hollow he can never return to being the person he was before, so he's trying to 'save' some of the qualities that keep him grounded.

zoombie

04-03-2009, 07:59 AM

If Ichigo kills his friends, if he regains his humanity, I don't know if he can emotional recover. Ichigo is one to push the burden of everything on himself, and it is his responsibility to protect everyone. People close to him die, that is enough of a guilt trip in itself, but if he finds out he is literally responsible, that is a lot emotional for him. I think it is time from Orihime to step up and actully do something to snap Ichigo out of this. She remembers what happened to her brother.

ShadowGUN

04-03-2009, 08:34 AM

You know I didn't notice this before but Chad is right Yammy did get bigger. I wonder what that about?

SigmasonicX

04-03-2009, 11:01 AM

People have noticed that this (http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b275/Axel7174/18.jpg),

Looks similar to this (http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b275/Axel7174/021.jpg),

And this (http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a30/Seraph156/1238735229430.jpg),

And as a result, we get these:

Image 1 (http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/406/ulqvsaizen.png)
Image 2 (http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/2328/urahara.png)
Image 3 (http://img128.imageshack.us/img128/3413/windex.jpg)
Image 4 (http://imgur.com/EAXZQ.jpg)
Image 5
(http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/9144/wonders.jpg)

Zach Logan

04-03-2009, 11:23 AM

Mr. Obsession

04-03-2009, 12:42 PM

It's been bothering me for a few chapters now but I finally figured it out. The angle of Ichigo's horns keeps changing. And now it looks like the overall shape as well. Damnit Kubo, pick something and stick with it.

As for the Yammy getting bigger part, maybe this will lead into an explanation for Ulquiorra's hole moving (besides Kubo's editor not letting him impale Ichigo in the throat), and some of the other arrancars not having apparent hollow holes at all.

What the heck is with Ishida?Didn't he believe Ulquiorra was already dead? If that's the case I can understand why. On the other hand if he knew Ulquiorra wasn't quite dead I could see him wanting to leave Ulquiorra alive. Arrancar aren't exactly the same as hollow, they aren't driven by their instincts to hunt and consume souls. Maybe Uryu thinks they can be rehabilitated?

Or he just didn’t want Ichigo to kill Ulquiorra off infront of Orihime...

Captain Highwind

04-03-2009, 08:18 PM

Beat

04-03-2009, 08:24 PM

Captain Highwind

04-03-2009, 08:31 PM

Maybe Yammy is gradually morphing into his final form.

http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s97/Mr_Highwind/Kool-AidMan.jpg

garfield15

04-03-2009, 08:41 PM

Maybe Yammy is gradually morphing into his final form.

http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s97/Mr_Highwind/Kool-AidMan.jpg

Considering that this is the third time he has just busted out of nowhere, I'd say that's appropiate.

Cheetatron

04-05-2009, 10:20 PM

"Sigh" Uryu's become the dumbest of characters as of late. First he's portrayed as an idiot in the bount arc (I discredited it since those are fake episodes and figured that his character was nothing like that), and now, even though that's a noble act of him getting in the way, he's even more stupid for showing sympathy for enemies that are meant to die.The worst part of all of this; sure Ichigo would have normally left ulq lying there, defeated, to menace the crew another day yep Ichigo is that kind of guy but so what!

Slicing ulqs head with a shinigami sword to make sure he couldn't just regenerate would not have destroyed ulqs soul. SHINIGAMI SWORDS PURIFY HOLLOWS back into plusses and sends them on their way to SS so they can once again be proper parts of the reincarnation cycle.

There was nothing to be gained by interfering with "New Ichigo"'s Head shot attempt even if ishida thought Ulq was bone dead despite having an intact head connected to a mostly intact torso and having already shown that he was a high speed regenerator.

zoombie

04-05-2009, 11:18 PM

Anyone read the pilot, if so than what you take from it when it comes to who Ichigo should he and the one he is meant to be with survives the series?

The pilot has a very pro Ichigo / Orihime, the way I read it. So Mr. Kubo was pro Ichigo / Orihime back than. Orihime makes it clear she likes Ichigo, Ichigo less so that he likes Orihime. But he at least worries about her.

Though it could be like Lelouch and Shirley from Code Geass? The girl was in love with the guy, the guy cared about the girl, but how much, that was in question? I never thought Lelouch was in love with anybody, much less Shirley.

garfield15

04-05-2009, 11:30 PM

Luna

04-05-2009, 11:33 PM

That's what I got out of reading the pilot,too....Kubo seems to be very much in favor of this pairing (as am I :anime: )since it's strongly hinted at in the pilot,and he seems to keep hinting at it in the series,so I'll be extremely disapointed in him if he doesn't follow through on it...

zoombie

04-05-2009, 11:36 PM

Unlike Code Geass, I'd rather keep Orihime alive thank you very much.

I never said, it would end up the same. Just because Shirley died, doesn't mean Orihime died. However that being said:

In the pilot, Orihime did die or taken to the Soul Society at the very end.

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Baseball

04-05-2009, 11:43 PM

Orihime was indeed the annoyance factor once again (seriously, "what to do?" was the best thing she could come up with... How about attempting to heal him), and I continue to hate her for it.
Trying to heal Ichigo was the first thing Orihime did. She's getting a little too much hate--when face-to-face with a beast, what the hell can you do?

I actually think this battle is still going to end with Orihime's death, but it'll have to do with her saving Ichigo.

Beat

04-05-2009, 11:53 PM

In the pilot, Orihime did die or taken to the Soul Society at the very end.

THERE IS HOPE!

Don East probably never read that.

Don_East

04-06-2009, 12:06 AM

In the pilot, Orihime did die or taken to the Soul Society at the very end.
I can't really say anything to convey how I feel. So here's som emoticons to renact my reaction.

:eek: :sad: :( :crying:

Bakasama

04-06-2009, 12:16 AM

I never said, it would end up the same. Just because Shirley died, doesn't mean Orihime died. However that being said:

In the pilot, Orihime did die or taken to the Soul Society at the very end.

I've read that. As I recall, neither Rukia nor Orihime actually go to Soul Society. I think Rukia couldn't go back to Soul Society because really goofed up. Doesn't change the fact Orihime is still dead and still can talk to Ichigo. One more thing, it seems to confirm a popular ship.

Cheetatron

04-06-2009, 02:31 AM

It happens when a manga's focus gets thrown out the window in favour of one ridiciliously long arc of fighting.

Soul Socity was bad arc in a good manga.

It was an arc which started in what the mid to late chapter 60's and didn't end until over 100 chapters later.

That's over 100 chapters for less than two weeks or chronological time in the actual story. That's gotta be some kind of record ;)LOL Hueco Mundo Story arc is like 150 chapters dealing with only one a few hours worth of going ons

Baseball

04-06-2009, 11:53 AM

(So she did... I missed that.) And I'm suppose to show sympathy? I think not. You grow a backbone for one. Even if she were to get seriously injured or die while staring Ulquiorra in the face, I would've at least given her some respect. (I'd still call her an idiot for being stupid, lol, but yeah.) Wouldn't change my opinion of her as a whole, but I'd have cut her "some" slack. (Hinata's done it, for the wrong reason, but she's gained respect from me no less.) But no, she wants to whine and cry all day. Call me cold, but I can careless about this emotional support everyone seems to have for Orihime. I'll stop there before I go on a longer rant.
We're not supposed to take kindly to Orihime's self piteous cry (as readers). But when faced with someone like Ulquiorra though, he just killed the strongest person in the world to her without breaking a sweat. Having her go "lol i'm not afraid of you" immediately after Ichigo died would be completely unrealistic--that's not how real people (and fifteen-year-old girls) act.

Beat

04-06-2009, 12:10 PM

Instead, they whine and cry and listen to Linkin Park music while trying to express their feelings, in a vain hope someone cares.

Which they don't.

Baseball

04-06-2009, 08:09 PM

That doesn't mean that their behaviors are unrealistic though. Throughout all of Hueco Mundo, Ulquiorra's been playing mind games with Orihime and taunting her life at every turn. She kind of just hoped everything would turn out alright, but it didn't in this case. Why wouldn't she be afraid of him? She already took a stand against him in chapter 316 and 342. But if Ichigo can't even hurt him, what was she going to do?

Also take into account that this stuff is happening literally within seconds. Faced in that situation, there's absolutely no way anybody would be mentally strong enough to think of an alternative situation--no less a kidnapped kid whose savior (and boyfriend) was just killed in front of her eyes. She's not a soldier.

Orihime isn't given enough credit. She went utop the dome of her own volition and was ready to die for her friends throughout the entirety of the arc. It's ridiculous to criticize her behavior when just about anyone else in her situation would have done something similar.

Neo Ultra Mike

04-06-2009, 08:17 PM

Baseball

04-06-2009, 08:50 PM

Eh I'm not saying that she would of had to actually think about it. But personally if her entire world was crumbling around her she woudln't really be thinking. She's just be emoting and feeling which would not only effect her on a mental level but a physical one as well which would lead to her powers going out of whack. Thus becoming an emotional unstoppable wreck. Really it's sort of the same thing that keeps happening to Ichigo except his hollow side just takes over. Here it would be her reality bending powers taking over and kicking all sort of ass. I'd imagine it being one of those pure rage and sadness and having no sort of actual control over it. And yeah super power ups to stop villians are kind of cheap, but it's been far more hinted at with Orhimie. And also, Ichigo has had like a half dozen of them in this story already. Time to give someone else a turn.
That's just an assumption based on shonen manga clichés though. As I've said before, Orihime's powers manifested themselves when she was trying to protect someone--they're also at their strongest when she's doing the same time. It's very tied to her mental state, I'd say. For just about everyone in the series, a level head within battle is when characters are at their best. I can't say I've seen anywhere in the series where it's hinted that if Orihime went insane, she'd be unstoppable.

It's never happened to Ichigo either--he gets his power-ups solely through near-death experiences. There's never been a case where he suddenly gets stronger because he's angry--if anything, those are the times when he loses.

It will be interesting to see Orihime's reaction to Ichigo having gone all psycho hollow just to protect her though. Maybe NOW she'll be able to do anything. I mean if Ichigo is the threat then it can't just be a "random main character power up" moment like it has been throughout Bleach. Has to be something else. I really hope it's not just a "super huge of love" attack that stops Hollow Ichigo. Like I've said that gimmick's been done. If I were Tite I'd have this as the perfect chance to take Orihime's powers up to the next level where she actually rips the hollow out of Ichigo's body and then goes on sort of a power trip, right into Aizen's hands.
I think that the only thing she'll be able to do to stop him is if she somehow gets hurt within the process. Having her go on a power-trip would be so out of character, unless it has to do with "what's going on inside of her." Aside from that, her death has been foreshadowed pretty frequently. She died in the one-shot chapter too...

Rolling Cloud

04-08-2009, 09:37 AM

Yeah, I don't post much in this thread but eh... figured I'd post the spoilers this time. (=])

Credits: Ann-chan on BA
The pulse cutting up the chaos is quickening...!!

beyond the light is....

ブリーチ３５３　The　Ash

Kurosaki falls over.

Hime "Kurosaki-kun!! Kurosaki-kun!!"
Ulquiorra watches the scene

Ulq (thought) "Regenerating his arms and legs and body is just a farce. You can't bring back the organs that were blow away. If I hadn't ended it with that blow just now, I would be the one dying over there.

Light? falls down? on Kurosaki
Ishida "....the hole.... is closing...."
Ulq "Instant regeneration?!"
Hime "Kurosaki....kun....?"

Kurosaki gets up at once.
"I'm? Didn't I have a hole in my chest?"
Hime "Kurosaki-kun...."
Kurosaki "Inoue.... are you ok?"
Hime smiles.
Ichigo notices Ishida's state.
Ishida "You finally woke up...."
Kurosaki "Did I give you that wound?"

Ulq "He's a stubborn guy."
Ulq pulls out the sword Kurosaki stabbed him with from Ishida.
He throws the sword in front of Kurosaki.
Ulquiorra "Take it. End the fight."
Kurosaki "I stabbed Ishida?"
Ulquiorra "You didn't know?"
Kurosaki "I also cut off your left arm and left leg?"
Kurosaki "If so, cut off my left arm and left leg."
Hime "kurosaki-kun!!"
Kurosaki: The one you fought up till just now was a me with the hollowmask and without a consciousness.
That's not me. If you want me to end the fight, I'll have to be in the same state as you, else it's not fair right!"
Ishida "Kurosaki! Do you know what you're saying?"
Ulq "That's good, if that's your wish, so be it."

Ulq grows wings? "This far....kill me."
Kurosaki is surprised.
Ulq "Hurry up.... I don't have any strength left to walk... if you don't kill me now,
the fight will go on endlessly....
Kurosaki "....I refuse."
Ulq "what?"
Kurosaki "I'm saying I don't want to! This.... this isn't a win!!"

Ulq is surprised.
Ulq "Tch.... you're the kind of guy who does whatever he likes..... up until the end...."
Ulq looks at Hime.
Ulq "Though I was finally starting to develop some interest in you guys."
Hime has a bewildered? facial expression.
Ulq reaches out his hand "....Am I frightening, woman?"
Hime with a sad face "You're not."
Ulq "Is that so."
Hime starts reaching out her hand
and Ulq disappears in a rustling motion, like sand.

http://i43.tinypic.com/30w9vs2.jpg

EDIT: Colorspread.. http://i44.tinypic.com/oarltg.jpg

anime_guru

04-08-2009, 09:58 AM

...
wow the anger I have at what I just read...
no words describe how angry I am. But why should I be surprised I mean really? Not only did Tite Kubo practically rip the soul society fight ichigo had with kuchiki, but also a premature ending to the lust. What the frick...

Here's hoping the real fights (fake karakura town) are much better. :sad:
though the colorspread is almost redeeming =)

garfield15

04-08-2009, 10:14 AM

HELLO MR. DESK! I'D LIKE YOU TO MEET MY HEAD!

Get acquainted because I'm going to be doing this for a while.

Mett

04-08-2009, 10:36 AM

Um What? Ulquiorra just suddenly turns into a good guy at the end of the fight?

Beat

04-08-2009, 10:46 AM

Wow, how phenominally unsatistfying. Anti-climactic, lacking finality, and I'm sure Don East will love this, shipping UlqHime. Wow Kubo, you must be taking lessons from Quesedila.

warnerbroman

04-08-2009, 10:53 AM

well that was...*looks at color spread* the best chapter ever!!!

GWOtaku

04-08-2009, 11:25 AM

So basically, this ended like the Byakuya fight, except there wasn't more fighting after the disappearance of the Hollow transformation. Ichigo's right, that form wasn't really him, so he doesn't feel completely satisfied...and I don't see why he should be, or why the reader should be in particular either.

Doesn't this mean that at best Ichigo is no stronger than Ulquiorra? Probably weaker unless he achieves that form again, but he's against it. So, as I said awhile ago, we have a situation where Ichigo can't win unless he becomes an inhuman monster.

Bah. When is Kubo going to improve this sorry state of affairs?

Among other things, Naruto is a lot better than this right now.

Don_East

04-08-2009, 12:14 PM

Wow, how phenominally unsatistfying. Anti-climactic, lacking finality, and I'm sure Don East will love this, shipping UlqHime. Wow Kubo, you must be taking lessons from Quesedila.
http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/2452/orihimetokubo.jpg

And when the fillers do something better, you know we have a problem.

EDIT: Colorspread.. http://i44.tinypic.com/oarltg.jpg (http://i44.tinypic.com/oarltg.jpg)
Drawing her on the other hand... Kubo is a good artist, say what you want about his writing. Doesn't Orihime look cute with those earmuffs?

Icer

04-08-2009, 01:32 PM

I might have stopped reading if the chapters didnt take 1 minute to skim through.

Really, thats the end of Ulquiorra. Fantastic[eyeroll]

Beat

04-08-2009, 01:39 PM

It's official. Looking at that colorspread, in retrospect, Bleach should have been an ecchi, not a shounen.

RockmanDash

04-08-2009, 03:35 PM

Am I the only one who is satisfied with this? Personally I like how Ulquiorra died and understood how Ichigo wanted a fair fight, and uh guys...I was going to show this sooner but um.. Bleach Soul Carnival basically says he is a good guy. =P...

I always thought Ulquiorra on the good guy side was rather...odd. And it's even stranger because it does not show Ulquiorra with the rest of the Espada in the opening.

http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/1121/good.png

>_> Of course I'm not saying the game makers knew this but.. ah whatever.

Anyways back to Ulquiorra dying, I was satisified. I thought Ichigo and Orihime were in character and I thought that was actually extremely nice of Orihime to look at the guy who basically treated her like complete trash and say he was not frightening. Of course I'm a easily satisfied person when it comes to these things.

Mr. Obsession

04-08-2009, 04:10 PM

Ulquiorra's death? Ehh... I don't exactly like it, but I don't exactly hate it either.

So now we have confirmed deaths for Ulquiorra, Zommari, and Aaroniero. Szayel's currently suffering a fate worse than death. And Grimmjow and Nnoitra are in some kind of in author created limbo. Or was Nnoitra confirmed dead (his body didn't evaporate, but then neither did Aaroniero's)?

Also, since Ichigo specifically states that he wasn't in control I suspect that once everyone gets out of Huceo Mundo, Ichigo will get another training session where he learns to control this new form, or at least the power behind it.

Doesn't Orihime look cute with those earmuffs?Earmuffs? ;)

Rud

04-08-2009, 04:18 PM

well, at least Ulq died in a cool-like way, sand disappearing act thing was cool, but still........NOOOOOOOO!!!, he was my favorite character, not its back to Chad being on top, and hes mad weak right now!!

I LOVE THE COLOR SPREAD, very hot.....

Captain Highwind

04-08-2009, 04:25 PM

It's pretty official now, Matsumoto's supposed to be a blonde in the anime.

I was going to show this sooner but um.. Bleach Soul Carnival basically says he is a good guy. =P...

I always thought Ulquiorra on the good guy side was rather...odd. And it's even stranger because it does not show Ulquiorra with the rest of the Espada in the opening.

http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/1121/good.png

Speaking of which, I wish the anime would start doing traditional openings like this, instead of always trying to make random pop openings that have been hit or miss lately:

youtube.com/watch?v=Agub1zx6pOE

anime_guru

04-08-2009, 06:05 PM

but then judging from the pic is that fan pandering or is that canon?

Captain Highwind

04-08-2009, 06:32 PM

Bikinis are always automatic canon

XOMiss_Samantha

04-08-2009, 06:39 PM

.....SAMANTHA IS NOT HAPPY. NOT HAPPY AT ALL.
*sobs over Ulquiorra*

Novapocalypse

04-08-2009, 07:30 PM

I can't say I hate how that fight ended... but it's not how I wanted it to end.

This basically screws the "Crazy Ichigo" subplot that we've had since the Soul Society arc back to square one. Ichigo finally controlled his Hollow part, and then he gets "Full-Form Hollow" or whatever you want to call it and it's the same thing. I mean c'mon Kubo, you proved with the Soul Society(especially the Aizen betrayal) you can be a beast at writing when you want.

The next fights better make up for this.

Beat

04-08-2009, 07:33 PM

Devilman would not have fallen to worst shounen lead right now.

Also, Inoue has a SERIOUS case of Stockholm Syndrome.

Neo Ultra Mike

04-08-2009, 08:02 PM

Originally posted by Beat
Also, Inoue has a SERIOUS case of Stockholm Syndrome.

She's just one step away from having Ichigo dress up as Bat-quirra everytime they do it, have her start calling her trash all the time and then even before they preform anything in the bedroom go through an abridged version of the Hueco Mundo/Fake Karkura arc and hiighlight of Orihime's mandhandling and kidnappings. Oh and Orihime asks Tatsuki and Chizuru to play Loly and Menoly and... well okay it's not THAT bad.

If only I could say that for the chapter so far. We haven't seen the full thing but unfourantley just seems like a bad rip on the Byakuya fight. Kubo better keep Ulqourria dead though. I mean it's not a satisfactory death but at least THAT'D be different. If Ulqourra comes in at the last second to save Orihimie again later I will somehow create some sort of energy gun that will travel into Tite's brain and shoot any part of him that somehow likes that repititous plotting. Seriously we better get ACTUAL battles that have definite endings with the top 3 Esapada fights.

Oh and Ichigo hearby gets the award for most power ups pulled out of your ass in order to win a fight award in all of Shonen manga. And considering how many we've gotten with Goku, Yusuke, Naruto, etc, that's saying something.

TheVileOne

04-08-2009, 08:16 PM

And people call what Kishimoto is doing with Naruto bad, :p.

Don_East

04-08-2009, 08:22 PM

Also, Inoue has a SERIOUS case of Stockholm Syndrome.
I wouldn't say Stockholm Syndrome, but I do question my weaving princess' psyche if so would not hold any ill will to the man who treated her like crap. I know Orihime's a reletively nice girl but come on, he beat the crap out of the man you loved. I really hope this is just Kubo throwing the Ulqhime fanbrats a bone and after this it's back to hinting at IchiHime.

She's just one step away from having Ichigo dress up as Bat-quirra everytime they do it, have her start calling her trash all the time and then even before they preform anything in the bedroom go through an abridged version of the Hueco Mundo/Fake Karkura arc and hiighlight of Orihime's mandhandling and kidnappings. Oh and Orihime asks Tatsuki and Chizuru to play Loly and Menoly and... well okay it's not THAT bad.
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