Bleach 195. Current manga discussion. *MAJOR SPOILERS!*

[warnerbroman]

Mark my words, by the end of this manga Chad will be at least the 4 strongest guy in the entire manga left alive.

Dammit Uryu, stop taking help from your mortal enemy, and when did he have time to place a land mine!?? the arrow

[Mett]

So is Yammy dead? I would find it so funny for him to show up in one chapter, actually help the other side by getting rid of those 2 girls messing with Orihime, then get killed by Ishida.

[Captain Highwind]

So is Yammy dead? I would find it so funny for him to show up in one chapter, actually help the other side by getting rid of those 2 girls messing with Orihime, then get killed by Ishida.

Probably not yet, Ishida needs to show off a bit.

He may have trouble with the mad scientists, but he does a good job of maiming the giants in the series.


I sense Renji-hate on the previous page somewhere.... =[ So he's not the most impressive guy in the group, he's still awesome!

Oh no, Renji's cool, he just needs to change up his game somewhat.

[Beat]

I don't hate Renji, but he's definitely been Yamcha'd. Which is still better than Orihime because he could defend himself at one point.

[Lelouch]

Well...maybe with whatever is inside of Orihime...she will become super powerful? Perhaps evil?

[Neo Ultra Mike]

Originally posted by Mett
So is Yammy dead? I would find it so funny for him to show up in one chapter, actually help the other side by getting rid of those 2 girls messing with Orihime, then get killed by Ishida.

No, he's not.

1. Uryu, like Ichigo and the other main character dosen't kill any of they're Espada related foes. They kill random hollows but anything with a brain they leave alive for some reason or another. Notice how ever since the Hueco Mundo arc even when they've defeated a foe they never killed them. The foe is either left alive or killed by someone else. So until Uryu gets rid of his whole "I'm going to show my pride by not killing my foes" or whatever ridicolous BS he's using as an excuse to not kill any of them I'm not buying Yammy's dead.

2. Yammy has yet to release. All Espada have to show they're release formed before they die. And if we saw Loly's release and didn't see his then you better believe he's not dead. It will probably be the thing to tick him off into actually releasing in which case Uryu will incapicate him to the point of not attacking and then finishing him off. (It'd be funny if to continue they're little Nappa/Vegetaisms we've been seeing a bit since they're into into the Arrancar arc Uliquorra picked up and finished him off with a cero glad to be rid of that "Trash" or something).


Originally posted by Beat
I don't hate Renji, but he's definitely been Yamcha'd. Which is still better than Orihime because he could defend himself at one point.

So could Orihime. Way way way back before the Soul Society arc. Ever since she failed to take out that fourth seat seventh squad guy though she's proven to be quite useless in any combat situation, like at all. Seriously Kubo you keep making these arcs about her wanting to get stronger and NEVER deliever on them. This better pay off at one point. I want to see Orihimie (good or bad) seriously own someone powerful by the end. Heh, actually it'd be funny if Orihime became super bad and actually was able to take out Aizen in one blast and prove herself to be like a billion times more powerful then she is now. Who'd really ever see THAT coming with the way Kubo writes for her?

[garfield15]

http://i350.photobucket.com/albums/q422/j_reader/crossovers.jpg

Actually instead I feel extremely pissed for some reason...

[Captain Highwind]

Wow, Kon fits to a T.

[Beat]

Well, they did get back on track, maybe Kubo can too. Althoguh I doubt even an Evilhime would be a threat, who knows? Maybe this has been a brilliant subversion and she'll end up a big breasted Kenshiro that makes squad captain's heads explode by touching them.

*explodes into uncontrollable laughter*

Seriously though, I am convinced that if Kubo ever GETS TO THE POINT, Evilhime will be stronger than Raoh from Fist of the North Star and Aizen put together.

[RockmanDash]

Seriously though, I am convinced that if Kubo ever GETS TO THE POINT, Evilhime will be stronger than Raoh from Fist of the North Star and Aizen put together.

So..why is everyone talking about sweet and nice Orihime turning evil?

[Novapocalypse]

So..why is everyone talking about sweet and nice Orihime turning evil?

Because if Kubo pulled it off right it would make for one hell of a plot twist.

[RockmanDash]

Because if Kubo pulled it off right it would make for one hell of a plot twist.

But then Don_East would most likely break down knowing that his sweet Orihime is now a evil witch.

A bigger plot twist would be the plot actually moving a bit faster. I want to see Yami die already..I seriously do.

[GWOtaku]

But then Don_East would most likely break down knowing that his sweet Orihime is now a evil witch.

A bigger plot twist would be the plot actually moving a bit faster. I want to see Yami die already..I seriously do.

I hear that. Just how long are Aizen and his lieutenants going to stay stuck in Yamamoto's little trap?

[Beat]

But then Don_East would most likely break down knowing that his sweet Orihime is now a evil witch.

A bigger plot twist would be the plot actually moving a bit faster. I want to see Yami die already..I seriously do.

I thought he'd be happy Orihime's power would be at a decent level. Right now she's between Aqua Teen's Carl and a teddy bear in threatning ability.

As noted though, Kubo cannot get to the point. Namek would have blown up ten times over by now.

[Rud]

I hear that. Just how long are Aizen and his lieutenants going to stay stuck in Yamamoto's little trap?

I doubt they even need to lift a finger, if the top 3 Espada don't wipe the floor with the captains il be surprised, thought i know they aren't the last big arrancar we will see. Remember, Wonderwise Is probably a super powerhouse, when it happens, i called it.

[Don_East]

But then Don_East would most likely break down knowing that his sweet Orihime is now a evil witch.
I wouldn't break down. I'd curse Kubo a 1000 times, punch the nearest wall, and hopes for redemption & she doesn't get killed. I mean, speaking as a writer, a plot twist you don't see coming. The final form of Gozer being a giant marshmellow man, that's a good plot twist. Sephiroth murdering Aerith in Final Fantasy 7, that's a good plot twist. Orihime turning evil has been speculated since this story arc began. A plot twist isn't a plot twist if you'll see it coming.


I thought he'd be happy Orihime's power would be at a decent level. Right now she's between Aqua Teen's Carl and a teddy bear in threatning ability.
I rather see her get strong on her own without pulling an unnecessary Face Heel Turn. Honestly, I can see her delivering the final blow to Aizen using all her anger at him.

[Luna]

I rather see her get strong on her own without pulling an unnecessary Face Heel Turn. Honestly, I can see her delivering the final blow to Aizen using all her anger at him. I second this...I'd like to see Orihime become strong,without turning "evil",and take a major part in Aizen's defeat ....I'll be mad if Kubo kills her off,since she's a favorite character of mine...

[Beat]

I wouldn't break down. I'd curse Kubo a 1000 times, punch the nearest wall, and hopes for redemption & she doesn't get killed. I mean, speaking as a writer, a plot twist you don't see coming. The final form of Gozer being a giant marshmellow man, that's a good plot twist. Sephiroth murdering Aerith in Final Fantasy 7, that's a good plot twist. Orihime turning evil has been speculated since this story arc began. A plot twist isn't a plot twist if you'll see it coming.


I rather see her get strong on her own without pulling an unnecessary Face Heel Turn. Honestly, I can see her delivering the final blow to Aizen using all her anger at him.

I want this to occur because I am a fan of her character and I'm sick of Orihime being so weak Meatwad could kick her ass. If Orihime becoming evil turned her into a badass on Raoh level, it'd be the best thing to happen to her character in a good long while. I'm sick of Orihime the plot device who does nothing but get kidnapped and fangirl over Ichigo. I want an Orihime that could scare most of the heroes of this series into submission with a stare because of what it would entail, even if just temporarily.

So yeah, Raohime > Weakhime.

[Scirel]

Ok, I've been wondering this for a while, why are Bleach chapters so damn short?

It seems like half the stuff happens in each chapter than OP or Naruto. Does he do a lot of full-page spreads and pages without dialogue? Or are they genuinely shorter?

[Novapocalypse]

Ok, I've been wondering this for a while, why are Bleach chapters so damn short?

It seems like half the stuff happens in each chapter than OP or Naruto. Does he do a lot of full-page spreads and pages without dialogue? Or are they genuinely shorter?

The pacing is terrible. A shame to because I really like the series storyline. It just takes so long to get something done. The anime takes up 3-4 chapters as opposed to the usual 1-2 and it's still slow.

I hope that once Kubo finally gets all of the characters set up for battle we can see some cool Bleach action.

[Captain Highwind]

The promise of full-color pages for important fights, leading to Kubo wasting at least 2 of those pages on fashion takes of the main cast has also gotten very tiresome.

[Don_East]

I want this to occur because I am a fan of her character and I'm sick of Orihime being so weak Meatwad could kick her ass. If Orihime becoming evil turned her into a badass on Raoh level, it'd be the best thing to happen to her character in a good long while. I'm sick of Orihime the plot device who does nothing but get kidnapped and fangirl over Ichigo. I want an Orihime that could scare most of the heroes of this series into submission with a stare because of what it would entail, even if just temporarily.

So yeah, Raohime > Weakhime.
But why does she have to be evil? Afterall that's been done, her going evil would be a cop-out. Can't she have the same personality and will but with the will to fight? Her going bad would be the Sasuke way and we all know how that ended up. It would be cooler if she became a badass by going into some super mode like Naruto did.

[Beat]

But why does she have to be evil? Afterall that's been done, her going evil would be a cop-out. Can't she have the same personality and will but with the will to fight? Her going bad would be the Sasuke way and we all know how that ended up. It would be cooler if she became a badass by going into some super mode like Naruto did.

The problem is...if Orihime was going to be competent with her current personality, it would have happened already. The manga has consistently established that without something dramatic occurring, she will remain the same weak, easily kidnapped girl.

Hence, the setup for her going evil should have a payoff. The only thing worse than her staying weak is her becoming evil and staying weak.

[Rud]

The only thing worse than her staying weak is her becoming evil and staying weak.

not possible, her powers are kind of Godly, the only thing making her weak is her personality, if she turns evil she wont be weak.

[Mr. Obsession]

Orihime doesn't need more power. She already has the most hax'd power in the entire series. What she lacks is the will to use that power to the extent of removing someone from existence, permanently. The problem is, if she became that kind of character she wouldn't be Orihime anymore.


So..why is everyone talking about sweet and nice Orihime turning evil?I thought it was because both Grimmjow and Ulquiorra taunted Ichigo with the idea that Aizen did something with her head.

[Beat]

not possible, her powers are kind of Godly, the only thing making her weak is her personality, if she turns evil she wont be weak.

And that's why I want her to be evil. For she would kick more ass than most of the heroes combined.


The problem is, if she became that kind of character she wouldn't be Orihime anymore.

She'd be a big breasted Raoh. Which admittedly would be a refreshing change of pace from the damsel in distress.

This is all an accident though. I don't think Kubo ever intended her powers to have that sort of reach. Then he sat down and thought about it.

[Don_East]

But she doesn't have to be evil to strong. She could be really, really, really pissed. Here's my scenerio: Aizen is about to win, Ichigo is down. Aizen is feeling good about himself. Orihime is mad, Aizen forced to be his prisoner then used her as a pawn. A bright yellow auroa shines around her. For the first time in her life, she wants to kill someone. She focuses all her on anger on Tsubaki, she orders him to attack. Aizen doesn't see it coming because he underestimated her and goes out like a Sentai monster, bemoaning that it's impossible. Orihime then heals Ichigo and confesses his love to him. And the gaurdian lives happily ever after with his princess.

If you want, she can go evil before that and Ichigo's defeat would knock her back to her senses.

[Beat]

I don't see it happening just like that. It'd be inconsistent with Kubo's writing. I hate to say it, but if we did get Evilhime, with the current manga count, I would not be surprised if Orihime was the final villain of the manga.

Not to mention Orihime as the final villain would be downright apocolyptic. With all her power unlocked, Orihime could erase entire cities with just a thought and would be virtually unkillable (as she'd just reject any attempt to harm her). It'd make Galactus blush.

[Rud]

But she doesn't have to be evil to strong. She could be really, really, really pissed. Here's my scenerio: Aizen is about to win, Ichigo is down. Aizen is feeling good about himself. Orihime is mad, Aizen forced to be his prisoner then used her as a pawn. A bright yellow auroa shines around her. For the first time in her life, she wants to kill someone. She focuses all her on anger on Tsubaki, she orders him to attack. Aizen doesn't see it coming because he underestimated her and goes out like a Sentai monster, bemoaning that it's impossible. Orihime then heals Ichigo and confesses his love to him. And the gaurdian lives happily ever after with his princess.


what?, stuff like that's been done a billion times before, lets hope Kubo isn't that uncreative.

[Lelouch]

...uh, because an evil Orihime would be completely badass? That's why I'd personally like to see it. I am also all for UlquiorraxOrihime so this would set it up perfectly.

I mean, come on...evil Orihime is just so...compelling!

[Don_East]

what?, stuff like that's been done a billion times before, lets hope Kubo isn't that uncreative.
We're talking about the guy who rehashed the same story arc and ripped off DBZ.

It's been stated that the Shun Shun Rikka's power depends on Orihime's will and that makes me think Unlikely Hero more than anything.

But I guess I'm talking to the wind right now.

[Beat]

It's been stated that the Shun Shun Rikka's power depends on Orihime's will and that makes me think Unlikely Hero more than anything.

But I guess I'm talking to the wind right now.

It's not that so much, just that they've been setting it up. It's still my theory that when giving Orihime her powers from his book, Kubo had no idea of the reach they could have potentially had. He was thinking "LOL fairies". He wasn't thinking Haruhi level reality erasure.

Besides, I have the scene in my head already. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUizzH4eURA) Just replace the dead guys with the about to be dead guys, Kenshiro with Ichigo and Raoh with Orihime. :p:p

Edit- Mark my words- Orihime will be a major villain in a future arc, if not the final "The world ends with me" villain.

[Paul_Cousins]

...uh, because an evil Orihime would be completely badass? That's why I'd personally like to see it. I am also all for UlquiorraxOrihime so this would set it up perfectly.

I mean, come on...evil Orihime is just so...compelling!I agree that Orihime's character traits have all the ingredients for a "Beware the nice ones" moment: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BewareTheNiceOnes

Think Dark Willow from Buffy: The Vampire Slayer, without the whole, magic is a drug angst.

But, I think such a shift in her character should be reserved for the next arc, when the Society Society turns on Ichigo's group. If the Bleach series keeps going, this will eventually, have, it's in the Soul Society's nature to betray others. Look at what they did to the Quincys and the Bounts. We're not just talking mass-murder of men, women and children, but also multiple acounts of human experimentation by the Soul Society.

Then Orihime can have her "roaring rampage of revenge" ( http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RoaringRampageOfRevenge ) against the Soul Society. :evil:

[Rocketboy]

344

I'm kind of excited to see what Ulquiorra's release will look like.

[Mr. Obsession]

It's about freaking time too. Though considering that every arrancar release command has been related to their release form in some way, Ulquiorra's has me stumped.

[thenewme93]

I wanna get back to Hitsugaya and Halibel and see if he's jobbed yet..

[Lelouch]

It's about freaking time too. Though considering that every arrancar release command has been related to their release form in some way, Ulquiorra's has me stumped.

He hasn't used his release command yet, right?

And, this indeed does have major potential, let's hope they don't turn Ulquiorra into some large freak. I still want him to be badass.

[Mr. Obsession]

He hasn't used his release command yet, right?According to the spoilers he uses it at the end of the chapter. Supposedly it's "Lock."

[Captain Highwind]

And, this indeed does have major potential, let's hope they don't turn Ulquiorra into some large freak. I still want him to be badass.

He turns into L from Death Note.
Am I the only one that sees the resemblance?

[Paul_Cousins]

He turns into L from Death Note.
Am I the only one that sees the resemblance?The guys at TVtropes agree with you: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/WMG/Bleach (scroll down three quarters of the page)

[Grave]

He turns into L from Death Note.
Am I the only one that sees the resemblance?
Me and my sister call him L's brother since it's hard for us to pronounce his name. I wouldn't know if I would be pronouncing it correctly anyway.

[Anime Freak]

Full spoilers are out for chapter 344 "The Pride" :
-Yammy tries to hold onto the ground, Ishida asks him if he's the same Yammy that Syzael had mentioned, and he snaps back "what if I am?" and Ishida calls him unfortunate and shoots an arrow at the floor sending him plummeting.

-Ishida mentions to Ichigo that he destroyed all the pillars and floors below so that Yammy will fall all the way to the basement. He tells a surprised Ichigo to get back to his fight, and he takes Inoue with him.

-Ichigo and Ulquoira fight, ichigo puts on his hollow mask and overpowers Ulquoria quite a bit. Realizing this, Ulqorria escapes to the top of Las Noches where he tells Ichigo that "espadas 4 and above cannot release in the dome of las noches" .

-The last words of the chapter is Ulqoriaa releasing by saying "Lock"

[Captain Highwind]

The guys at TVtropes agree with you: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/WMG/Bleach (scroll down three quarters of the page)

Also, while a lot of those predictions on that page are incredibly outlandish, I still welcome the thought of having those plot threads resolved.

[garfield15]

Also, while a lot of those predictions on that page are incredibly outlandish, I still welcome the thought of having those plot threads resolved.
Well that's the point. They're supposed to be as outlandish as possible.

It's not called Wild Mass Guessing for nothing (If you think that's bad you should see the WMG's for Naruto.

[Beat]

Wild outlandish predictions?

"Orihime wins a fight."

[GWOtaku]

Well, Ishida just made himself useful, so anything might be possible.

I'm just glad they're going somewhere in Ichigo's fight, finally.

[Beat]

Well, Ishida just made himself useful, so anything might be possible.


*3 chapters from now*

Orihime- Wa-TAH! Wa-TAH! HOKUTO HAKURESTU KEN!

Araccnar- *Head explodes*

[Novapocalypse]

He turns into L from Death Note.
Am I the only one that sees the resemblance?


I've seen it since he appeared.

And since both characters have a lot of fangirls... Oh God I can just imagine the crossovers.

[ShadowGUN]

Wow Yammy sure was defeated pretty fast.

[Grave]

Apparently, Yammy's the only one that can't fly anymore.... It'd be pretty lame if he'd actually fell all the way down to the basement...

Also, Uryuu must've been real bored to go out of his way shooting down ever single pillar.

[garfield15]

http://img56.onemanga.com/mangas/00000003/000138982/00.jpg

HER EYES ARE SCARING ME!

This is not a good picture of her (also she wasn't even in this chapter)

[Beat]

She's piercing into your soul.

[warnerbroman]

blue sharingan

[XOMiss_Samantha]

AHHH SCARY RUKIA DON'T EAT ME.

"I pity you".
I am such a huge Ishida fan- my undying love is only going to massively increase after this chapter. He might not be the strongest or the fastest, but when he wants to... he just gushes awesomeness.
(the double page with Ichigo was pretty cool too.)
On the other hand I'm not at all a fan of Orihime, who in my eyes is basically just useless. She's never done anything for me.

GAH. They end with such a cliffhanger. *complains* I want next weeeeeek.

[Beat]

"Useless" is too kind. She's a hindirance, the Scrappy, the Jar-Jar, etc. She's gone way beyond useless. Chad and Renji are useless, but they don't hinder the heroes.

[XOMiss_Samantha]

"Useless" is too kind. She's a hindirance, the Scrappy, the Jar-Jar, etc. She's gone way beyond useless. Chad and Renji are useless, but they don't hinder the heroes.

I was actually trying to put it nicely but I think you've summed her up pretty well XD.

[garfield15]

Man it's sad how Chad and Renji have fallen under the "useless" category.

I remember the days in which Zabimaru actually was cool and looked like it could hurt somebody or the days in which Chad had the most badass power rivaling even Kazuma from s-CRY-ed's.

But, Kubo hates them now apparently. Why is it that Oda seems to be the only one getting it right? Even Reborn! is starting to get a little stupid if not extremely unpredictable. And I don't mean unpredictable in a good way, I mean unpredictable as in "Oh my god, they're doing the exact same thing as last arc!"

[Don_East]

"Useless" is too kind. She's a hindirance, the Scrappy, the Jar-Jar, etc. She's gone way beyond useless. Chad and Renji are useless, but they don't hinder the heroes.
Uhh... harsh.

They're not useless. They can actually do something, they're just underused by the author. If they didn't do have their respective powers though, they would be useless.

Kon=useless
Pre-Timeskip Sakura=useless
90% of every human character in a TF series=useless

[Beat]

You can theoretically have powers and be turned useless. Orihime is the most extreme example, being the Brooklyn Brawler to Chad and Renji's Bushwackers.

[warnerbroman]

"Useless" is too kind. She's a hindirance, the Scrappy, the Jar-Jar, etc. She's gone way beyond useless. Chad and Renji are useless, but they don't hinder the heroes.what no ms.fanservice

[Beat]

I'll tell you what. When Orihime does something this badass (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mz3jYkZMqqA), all will be forgiven. Until then, she's the Jar Jar.

[thenewme93]

I'll tell you what. When Orihime does something this badass (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mz3jYkZMqqA), all will be forgiven. Until then, she's the Jar Jar.

That move wasn't even that badass to begin with..

[RockmanDash]

How in the world are you guys comparing Orihime with Jar Jar? Yes it's true Orihime is not the strongest and so far has not really been good with any battles but she is a healer and is all about defense more than attack. I give you a bet she will get a huge upgrade soon to come. And you guys seem to not realize Orihime has been through a lot and has not really had any time to train unlike Chad.

[Novapocalypse]

Ishida defeated Mayuri in the Soul Society arc, so he wasn't really super useless. He just never had an actual fight since then.

Now Orihime and Chad were both kind of useless past the time their powers were introduced.

Renji was Ichigo's rival back in Soul Society, and he actually posed a threat. Now why is he so underpowered now?

[Rud]

Ishida defeated Mayuri in the Soul Society arc, so he wasn't really super useless. He just never had an actual fight since then.

what? do those two Arrancar he defeated before not count or something?, you guys, hes won most of his fights...

[Beat]

I give you a bet she will get a huge upgrade soon to come.

Probably her inevitable heel turn where she turns into all manner of evil badass witch. Then all will be forgiven because she'll probably beat a few of the heroes senseless.

Until then, she's the Jar Jar. Annoying because she's useless.

[Paul_Cousins]

Probably her inevitable heel turn where she turns into all manner of evil badass witch. Then all will be forgiven because she'll probably beat a few of the heroes senseless.

Until then, she's the Jar Jar. Annoying because she's useless.Of course, she's the Willow of the group.

[potogold]

Uhh... harsh.

They're not useless. They can actually do something, they're just underused by the author. If they didn't do have their respective powers though, they would be useless.

Kon=useless
Pre-Timeskip Sakura=useless
90% of every human character in a TF series=uselessSakura is pretty useless in part 2 but thats in another topic. Orihime isn't that bad, at least not Nami bad, who has no fighting feats of her own and is the token sex fodder of the series.

[Grave]

Sakura is pretty useless in part 2 but thats in another topic. Orihime isn't that bad, at least not Nami bad, who has no fighting feats of her own and is the token sex fodder of the series.
Actually, Nami has won a fight on her own. (2 fights if I'm not mistaken) Against some pretty decent opponents too. Nami has proven her worth. Orihime on the other hand hasn't done much of anything than be your typical damsel.

[Beat]

Nami not only has won fights fairly, without the help of others, she's established as the most competent and intelligent crewmember, two things Jar-Jarihime lacks in spades.. Oda defines his women by their personality. (There's but one exception and that seems to show Luffy has Tenchi-esque phermones more than her lack of a personality) Orihime is defined by her uselessness and squeeing for the oblivious male lead.

[potogold]

Actually, Nami has won a fight on her own. (2 fights if I'm not mistaken) Against some pretty decent opponents too. Nami has proven her worth. Orihime on the other hand hasn't done much of anything than be your typical damsel.Miss New Years Eve and Calfica were rigged fights due to them jobbing to Nami and PIS. Nami hasn't shown her competance at all, it always Luffy, Sanji or Zoro to the rescue. Orohime cold beat her in a fight, she does have a yellow belt add to the most hax shikai in the series.


Nami not only has won fights fairly, without the help of others, she's established as the most competent and intelligent crewmember, two things Jar-Jarihime lacks in spades.. Oda defines his women by their personality. (There's but one exception and that seems to show Luffy has Tenchi-esque phermones more than her lack of a personality)Nami needs a crew member or PIS to survive characters like CP9, Barouqe Works and Skypedia goons. She has not speed nor strength feats, and she's always hiding from her opponent. And no, Ussop is the most intelligent next to Robin, Nami is the weather girl version of Bulma. Oh and do a mention she's easily the most annoying.
Orihime is defined by her uselessness and squeeing for the oblivious male lead.Orihime is defined by countless characters as a pure hearted simaritan and one of the best healers in bleach, she gives Unohana a run for her money. I take it you don't like damsels.

[Beat]

Miss New Years Eve and Calfica were rigged fights due to them jobbing to Nami and PIS. Nami hasn't shown her competance at all, it always Luffy, Sanji or Zoro to the rescue. Orohime cold beat her in a fight, she does have a yellow belt add to the most hax shikai in the series.

Orihime couldn't beat Hank Hill, let alone Nami. She can't fight because she has no will to do anything but squee and get kidnapped.

Also, a yellow belt in most non-contact karate styles (I don't see Weakehime as a kyokushin fighter) is quite easy to get.

The only time Nami needed help because of a direct kdnapping was because of Enel, and he had wiped the floor with the entire crew sans Luffy.


Orihime is defined by countless characters as a pure hearted simaritan and one of the best healers in bleach, she gives Unohana a run for her money. I take it you don't like damsels.

She's defined by her uselessness and constant need to be rescued. Oh, and a plot device so Kubo doesn't have to kill anyone. No, I don't like the worthless princess types. I tend to prefer the action girl and hot amazon types. It's not a case of feminine vs masculine, it's a case of Orihime being a hindirance, not a help.

[garfield15]

Sakura is pretty useless in part 2 but thats in another topic. Orihime isn't that bad, at least not Nami bad, who has no fighting feats of her own and is the token sex fodder of the series.


Nami not only has won fights fairly, without the help of others, she's established as the most competent and intelligent crewmember, two things Jar-Jarihime lacks in spades.. Oda defines his women by their personality. (There's but one exception and that seems to show Luffy has Tenchi-esque phermones more than her lack of a personality) Orihime is defined by her uselessness and squeeing for the oblivious male lead.

Okay, yeah, I really have to jump in here and agree with Beat.

Are you saying that Orihime is more useful than Nami? As in, the navigator? As in the person that they would be screwed without if they didn't have her as their navigator? As in the person that, even if it was "fixed" as you say, that she has at least won her fights by herself. I mean, she stood up to Eneru by herself. (It didn't do anything but she was at least trying) And this is in comparison to Orihime who has spent this entire arc doing nothing? And we all know she's doing nothing too. It's not like she's in the background and we don't see her a lot, no, she's in nearly every chapter that Ichigo is in and we see her, on the ground, doing nothing.

I mean, Nami is important to the crew. They couldn't survive without her navigation. If Orihime died (I hope she doesn't BTW) its not like the story would exactly suffer from it or the characters wouldn't be able to live without her or anything. Really, if Nami wasn't there, the others are screwed. If Orihime isn't there...well...it's exactly what's happening now.

And what do you mean, no fighting feats? Does the Perfect Clima-Tact not count as a weapon or something?

[GWOtaku]

Guys, if you want to debate the abilities of SJ heroines, that's a topic more than deserving of its own thread.

About Inoue specifically, I think what holds her back isn't her strength so much as it is her personality. She's all about protecting, and she's basically like Rukia in the Soul Society arc: she's driven by fear for her rescuers. Add that in with her innate kindness, and you have a lack of will to truly fight back even now.

That said, this is someone whose powers have obviously been evolving. She can restore something that's been totally destroyed, and during Kenpachi's fight she was able to create a barrier that could contain Ichigo. I'd say that her powers are basically constantly in flux, because as we were told very early on her powers are basically proportional to her will.

If she had Ichigo's determination, she could be a step above his current level--at least without the mask on. The thing is though, when someone gets hurt she doesn't get angry, she gets scared. I really don't know if she can change enough for it to be otherwise.

That being said, considering that Karakura town could be wiped off the map if Aizen wins, that could be very good motivation......not that I expect her to make the difference against Aizen, I don't, but at the least she could perhaps help against the underlings and repair any damage that has been done. I could easily believe her finishing this arc as at least an equal to Ichigo's other close allies (defined as Ishida/Chad/Rukia/Renji) and very possibly more so.

I have doubts she'll ever be top tier though. She just doesn't have the temperament for it. But if she were really pushed into a corner with no alternatives (i.e. either win or everything you know is doomed), I think she could probably stop just about anyone--for a time.

[Neo Ultra Mike]

I don't really see how Nami's fights were "fixed" either. Yeah she did last long against Mrs. Doublefinger due to her constantly underestimating Nami but Nami was still the one who beat her figuring out the powers of the Climitact and using that knowledge to defeat her. I mean thinking about it out of the entire crew I think Sanji is the only one of the Straw Hats who dosen't use a weapon or a super magic devil fruit power up to fight with (Franky's Cyborg makes him his own weapon). And as others say she actually has a meaningful role in the show. Orihimie like some other females leads seem to be there more for healing then for doing anything that actually contributes to fights. And seriously anytime Orihimie has tried to do ANYTHING useful since the start of the Arrancar arc, it was utterly pointless.

Orihimie: I know you Vizard have something to do with Ichigo feeling down so I'm going to talk to you and make you tell me what I want to know.
Chad: No don't Orhiime. We utterly suck compared to them.
Orihimie: Okay then I'm going to defeat Yammy and prove that I don't need Kuroski-Kun to rescue me.
Yammy: One punch easily knocks out your attacker.
Ichigo: Rescue again. Oh no, hollow angst.
Orihime: I'll save you!
Yammy: Slap.
Orihimie: I'm out but now that Ranigku helped restore some of my conifdence I can help you fight some of the numeros attacking-
Ranigku: Yeah no you still can't do crap. Just stay and don't fight.
Orihimie: Oh well surley I can help train and be a part of the winter war-
Urhahara: No you can't. You don't have any attack power and there's other healers and you learning anything about your abilities will just get you screwed over.
Orihimie: Well what if my attacker was healed and I trained for awhile. Maybe then-
Uliqourria: Yeah I'm kidnapping you. You have no rights, no say, just shut up, have an overdone emotional shipper moment and get your ass in Hueco Mundo. Oh and wear this Arrancar uniform cause once again you can't do anything to protect yourself at all.
Orihime: Okay. Even though I'm trapped in this room and at the Espada's mercy I'm sure that I can help by destroying the Hoguyoku-
Aizen: Yeah I only showed you that probably as some sort of later plot point that fits with one of my over elaborate plans.
Orihimie: Well maybe I can't help directly but maybe praying for Ichigo and the others to win-
Uliqourria: Yeah Chad's dead and I'm going to go kill Ichigo.
Orihimie: Ha, now I slapped you!
Uliqourria. Uh, that didn't hurt. At all.
Orihimie: Oh. Well uh at least though I'm still trapped I'm better off then others on my team-
Loly: Yeah me and my friend are going to beat on you cause we're jealous b*****s and you can't do anything about it.
Orihimie: Well I'm sure I can at least take you-
Grimmijow: No you can't. I have to show up to save your ass and you heal the girls beating the hell out of you just proves how you won't be able to fight for crap.
Orihimie: Well maybe me healing people makes them good-
Grimmjow: No I just want you to heal Ichigo so I can be the one to kill him.
Orihimie: Oh. Well I'm sure my pleading and hoping Ichigo to win will-
Fans: Shut up! We're trying to watchi this cool fight and you're constant interruptions are making it suck!
Orihimie: Well now that I'm rescued with Grimmjow beat I can be useful and help heal the others-
Tesla: Ha kidnapped you again and you can't do anything to get out of my gentle headlock so you can just watch while Nnortia beats up on Ichigo.
Orhimie: Oh look turns out Nel is actually super strong and can take down Nnorita quite well. Once again proving a side character no one thought amounted to anything would be a far stronger female butt kicker then me.
Nnorita: Well now that she's back to normal I'm going to be the one kidnapping you while Tesla beats up on Ichigo.
Orihimie: I've got to do something! Oh I know, I'll shout Kuroski Kun 500 times in a row! Surley that will be helpful-
Zaraki: Dear god who is making that awful noise. Oh it's just that women who couldn't even beat up the weakest and most comic relief member of my squad.
Orihimie: Well now I can help heal Ichigo and prove how super strong my shield is-
Zaraki: Now that I defeated Nnorita I can break it with one kick to prove how cool I am.
Orihimie: Well now at least I'm save for now-
Stark: Yeah I'm kidnapping you for Aizen Sama.
Orihimie: Oh so I guess now I can at least be useful for the villian.
Aizen: Uh no. My whole plan was just to get Soul Society to waste it's time trying to save you so I could invade Karkura Town and you can't do anything about it.
Orihimie: Well now that you left and I'm talking to Ulqourria I can help make him see the light-
Ichigo: Yeah that's only to distract him long enough for me to come in again.
Orihimie: Alright now I can show my skills by helping defend you.
Ichigo: No this is my fight with him, not yours.
Ulqiourra: Yeah until she becomes potentially evil she's just easy kidnapping bait.
Orihimie: Am not!
Loly: We're kidnapping you again.
Orihime: Oh. Well I'm sure I can get out of this situation myself-
Yammy: yeah no I have to come in and take out those annoying Fraccion.
Orihimie: Well maybe now I can have a revenge fight against you-
Uryu: Actually I came to knock him down to the ground and get you out of here so you can't interfere with the fights anymore.
Orihime: Oh. Well surley in the future I'll do something useful in battle.

Tite Kubo: Yeah you wish.

And essitantly that's Bleach abridged on Orihime's side of things since she's proven whether it be in 100 chapters or 100 epsiodes she hasn't really done jack importance someone else could of done to really help out.

[GWOtaku]

I still say her potential is similar to that of DBZ Gohan (albeit on a lesser scale). There's a titan inside, but good luck trying to wake it up. I just don't know if her Android 16 moment will ever come.

[garfield15]

^^Round of applause for Mike everybody for somehow remembering all that, proving our point and making me laugh the whole time. (Rangiku's line was my favorite part because you know that's what she was thinking even she didn't say it?

Man, how did you write all that?


I still say her potential is similar to that of DBZ Gohan (albeit on a lesser scale). There's a titan inside, but good luck trying to wake it up. I just don't know if her Android 16 moment will ever come.
I'd be more surprised if she even gets a Tenshinhan moment.

[potogold]

Orihime couldn't beat Hank Hill, let alone Nami. She can't fight because she has no will to do anything but squee and get kidnapped.Hime's rejecting hax > One Note Hank. All she has to do is reject Nami out of existance or use Tsukubaki to go all protect mode on Hank's arse.


Also, a yellow belt in most non-contact karate styles (I don't see Weakehime as a kyokushin fighter) is quite easy to get.Better than Nami's pampered whore self, who hasn't shown any fighting skills.


The only time Nami needed help because of a direct kdnapping was because of Enel, and he had wiped the floor with the entire crew sans Luffy.She needed help against arlong, that ******bag who beat Luffy up, CP9, Thriller Bark. She basically needed to be saved in every major arc.





She's defined by her uselessness and constant need to be rescued.
How is that any different form any other shonen main? Sakura needed to be in control of Chiyo to survive Sasori, Nami needed bout every single male member to save her pampered arse from pirates and marines. Your making double standards here, at least Orihime is true to her character and consistant.
Oh, and a plot device so Kubo doesn't have to kill anyone. No, I don't like the worthless princess types. I tend to prefer the action girl and hot amazon types. It's not a case of feminine vs masculine, it's a case of Orihime being a hindirance, not a help.Have you've read any of Bleach? She healed freakin everybody. Thats what she does, heal people.


Okay, yeah, I really have to jump in here and agree with Beat.Typical, gang up on me.


Are you saying that Orihime is more useful than Nami?In a fight, yep. She's got the powers for it. Nami needs PIS to survive.
As in, the navigator? As in the person that they would be screwed without if they didn't have her as their navigator?You know I haven't seen any useful Navigating from Nami lately.
As in the person that, even if it was "fixed" as you say, that she has at least won her fights by herself. I mean, she stood up to Eneru by herself.Won as in the vilains Jobbing.
(It didn't do anything but she was at least trying) And this is in comparison to Orihime who has spent this entire arc doing nothing? And we all know she's doing nothing too. It's not like she's in the background and we don't see her a lot, no, she's in nearly every chapter that Ichigo is in and we see her, on the ground, doing nothing.Has it ever occured to you that Rukia is like that as well. Why you ask? Because they're the love interests of Ichigo and this is a shonen. Men are more focused as the main fighting force than the females.


I mean, Nami is important to the crew. They couldn't survive without her navigation.Nami is only important when she's actually dressing like hentai fodder, it's confirmed Robin is as smart or as capable as her to navigating the Grand Line. So why need Nami at this point.
If Orihime died (I hope she doesn't BTW) its not like the story would exactly suffer from it or the characters wouldn't be able to live without her or anything.Just like Chad, Ishida, and renji right? There Ichigo's friends dude. Friendship is a main part of Ichigo's character drive.
Really, if Nami wasn't there, the others are screwed. If Orihime isn't there...well...it's exactly what's happening now.Explain the Ichigo vs. Uloquria bout thats about to happen then?

And what do you mean, no fighting feats? Does the Perfect Clima-Tact not count as a weapon or something?Staff is overrated, It just takes Tsubaki to turn Nami into goo.



I don't really see how Nami's fights were "fixed" either. Yeah she did last long against Mrs. Doublefinger due to her constantly underestimating Nami but Nami was still the one who beat her figuring out the powers of the Climitact and using that knowledge to defeat her.She won by luck, she did not defeat her opponent, she simply out witted her. She has no speed or strength feats that allow her to content with her, so PIS intervened and defeated Mr.s Double Finger.

-snip-



And essitantly that's Bleach abridged on Orihime's side of things since she's proven whether it be in 100 chapters or 100 epsiodes she hasn't really done jack importance someone else could of done to really help out.Again you need to read Bleach, esepcially compared to Nami the PIS tramp.

[GWOtaku]

Okay, I'm going to make this official:

Keep cool and keep this thread focused on Bleach. Make a new thread if you guys must argue about comparisons to other characters.

This isn't the place for "Inoue sucks!" "No, Nami sucks!" Both have their fans and merits and the argument could go on indefinitely while taking the thread more and more off-topic. Nobody's in trouble for what's happened so far, but we're getting off track here.

[garfield15]

Look, its not that I'm saying I hate Orihime. I'm not because I do like her in the story. I'm just saying that at this point and time, Kubo is not showing that she is a major contribution to the story. She is on the sidelines. And really all that God power and warping reality stuff that everyone talks about is true and will most likely happen, but the thing is, it hasn't happened yet. When it does, then maybe Orihime will be a less annoying influence but now, at this present moment in the story, she is an annoyance.

EDIT: (Let's not do any more Nami/Orihime comparisons like GW said okay?)
MOD EDIT: Post edited to conform to what I've said. Thanks. -GWO

[Neo Ultra Mike]

Originally posted by GWOtaku
I still say her potential is similar to that of DBZ Gohan (albeit on a lesser scale). There's a titan inside, but good luck trying to wake it up. I just don't know if her Android 16 moment will ever come.

That could of been the first battle against Yammy. Really the set up was perfect: Orihime being upset that her best friend Tatsuki was severly drained and about to die and Chad was taken out, puts up a shield to block Yammi's attack and save him. She then realized that she can't always depend on Ichigo for everything and can at least try and fight off these ivnaders for him while he deals with his own problems. That should of been incentive enough to at least damage Yammy some but no, that didn't even happen. The only way now would be if say someone died right in front of her and she could only heal them after defeating the foe but with the way Bleach is written nowadays what are the chances of that happening?



Originally posted by garfield15
^^Round of applause for Mike everybody for somehow remembering all that, proving our point and making me laugh the whole time. (Rangiku's line was my favorite part because you know that's what she was thinking even she didn't say it?

Man, how did you write all that?


Well I just remembered all that happened in the anime/manga from the entire arc and really it just came fairly easily. I editted it a bit to correct some errors/add another joke. But yeah essitantly besides healing and more pleadings that has been her role for most of the arc from her perspective. (My favorite line was her saying she'll help by saying Kurosaki Kun 500 times over and over. Really, was that necessary at all?).

[GWOtaku]

Yeah, Yammy could've been used to make Inoue awesome. My opinion is split on what was done instead. Yammy was basically reduced to a joke. It's as if Kubo realized there are too many Arrancar running around and decided to get rid of one with style. Yet I can't quite bring myself to complain, as I want Ichigo to take out Ulquiorra so that we can get to the climax of this arc.

[garfield15]

That could of been the first battle against Yammy. Really the set up was perfect: Orihime being upset that her best friend Tatsuki was severly drained and about to die and Chad was taken out, puts up a shield to block Yammi's attack and save him. She then realized that she can't always depend on Ichigo for everything and can at least try and fight off these ivnaders for him while he deals with his own problems. That should of been incentive enough to at least damage Yammy some but no, that didn't even happen. The only way now would be if say someone died right in front of her and she could only heal them after defeating the foe but with the way Bleach is written nowadays what are the chances of that happening?
Hmm....Maybe Kishimoto isn't the only one who hates his characters since I too thought that was the perfect oppurtunity for Ori to show some killer Tsubaki action.


Well I just remembered all that happened in the anime/manga from the entire arc and really it just came fairly easily. I editted it a bit to correct some errors/add another joke. But yeah essitantly besides healing and more pleadings that has been her role for most of the arc from her perspective. (My favorite line was her saying she'll help by saying Kurosaki Kun 500 times over and over. Really, was that necessary at all?).No. :p

I would have thrown in,

Orihime: Oh well at least I have the abilities of a god to warp reality
Aizen: Well actually, even though I said that, its kind of a speculation thing to provide potential for events later. You're still useless now though.

[1 of 3]

Well to get things off everyone's (un)favorite barrier maiden.

Anyone besides me really hoping for something over than another boring win for Ichigo against Ulquiorra?

I'd love somehthing really crazy like this:

Hichigo takes over during the fight and beats on Ulq for a while but instead of finishing him he either

a.) decides he wants to join Aizen for greater power

or

b.) as Hichigo takes more control, his body hollowfies more, Ulq uses one of those little cubes Grimmjow used on him to capture Ichigo for a study subject for Aizen.

Then Ulq announces to Ichigo's friends that Ichigo has joined Aizen's side and the captains force them to retreat.

[Beat]

Well to get things off everyone's (un)favorite barrier maiden.

Anyone besides me really hoping for something over than another boring win for Ichigo against Ulquiorra?

I'd love somehthing really crazy like this:

Hichigo takes over during the fight and beats on Ulq for a while but instead of finishing him he either

a.) decides he wants to join Aizen for greater power

or

b.) as Hichigo takes more control, his body hollowfies more, Ulq uses one of those little cubes Grimmjow used on him to capture Ichigo for a study subject for Aizen.

Then Ulq announces to Ichigo's friends that Ichigo has joined Aizen's side and the captains force them to retreat.

Well, that would be a plot twist, and more importantly, Aizen and friends would have a very powerful wild card.

I'm all for a non-cliche ending.

[Neo Ultra Mike]

Yeah that's what I was hoping for too. Like how Ulquiorra's Zanpakto release has a special ability that allows him to seperate Ichigo's Hollow Half from his normal Shinigami half and the Hollow Half ends up joining The Espada or something. I think it would make sense: Remember all the way back when Ulqourra said that if Ichigo's hollow side dosen't end up destroying Ichigo and he ends up taking control of it "he might prove useful to us in the future"? I would hope that wasn't just a needless line to not jusitfy letting him life and actually had some merit to it.

[Novapocalypse]

I want to see more Full-Form Hollow Ichigo, that has some awesome potential. I can't help but wonder if that form is some kind of "Vizard Bankai" or something.

[Rud]

I want to see more Full-Form Hollow Ichigo, that has some awesome potential. I can't help but wonder if that form is some kind of "Vizard Bankai" or something.

Its Hollow Ichigos true form isnt it?, if it takes control of the body that's what hel turn into. And it probably wont happen again, since he pretty much said the next time he took control hed kill Ichigo so that hed be in control forever.

[Paul_Cousins]

Well to get things off everyone's (un)favorite barrier maiden.

Anyone besides me really hoping for something over than another boring win for Ichigo against Ulquiorra?

I'd love somehthing really crazy like this:

Hichigo takes over during the fight and beats on Ulq for a while but instead of finishing him he either

a.) decides he wants to join Aizen for greater power

or

b.) as Hichigo takes more control, his body hollowfies more, Ulq uses one of those little cubes Grimmjow used on him to capture Ichigo for a study subject for Aizen.

Then Ulq announces to Ichigo's friends that Ichigo has joined Aizen's side and the captains force them to retreat.The problem is that Hichigo is the Starscream (gone ax-crazy) of the Bleach series.

He makes other hollows seem sane and nice in comparison. I mean, he even makes Kenpachi look sane in comparison.

I am sure, even is Hichigo offered to join the Arrancar, Aizen would turn down his offer, if Ulq didn't turn him down first.

[kidx]

I got a bad feeling that the following chapter will be Ishida vs Yammy and maybe just a glimpse of what Ulquiorra looks like then it ends again

[1 of 3]

I got a bad feeling that the following chapter will be Ishida vs Yammy and maybe just a glimpse of what Ulquiorra looks like then it ends again

Another possiblity is back to fake-Karakura

345 - The Lust - Halibel
346 - The Wrath - Barragan
347 - The Sloth - Stark

[1 of 3]

Speaking of the "7 Sins" theme...

1.) Who do you believe "The Greed" was refering to? The only thing that I believe really fits is Ichigo for telling Orihime to stay out of his fight. He wants to do by himself. It doesn't really fit Yammy, he's much more "The Gluttony" and Loly is more envy than greed.

2.) It seems to me Kubo kinda broke from the "sins" theme as he didn't really portray anyone having their pride be a negative aspect of their personality

Envy - Loly
Greed - Ichigo
Gluttony - Yammy

[Malex]

I was thinking that the Pride was for Ulquiorra. He has been calling Ichigo "trash" for over 150 chapters, and this same trash has force him to release under Hueco Mundo's moonlight. If that is not an example of swallowing one's pride, then I have no idea.

[Anime Freak]

Some early spoilers are out for 345:
-Seems Ulqorria's release is similar to a bat. He grows black wings.
-The fight switches to Rukia and Rudoban, seems he has an ability called Caravelas which allows him to mass produce soldiers to fight for him. (hence keeping Chad and Renji busy while Rukia fights Rudoban)

[Mett]

Damn it switches to another fight? Why cant we see one finish :(

[Captain Highwind]

Damn it switches to another fight? Why cant we see one finish :(

We'll cut away to Yuzu baking stuff in the kitchen before they finish Ulquiorra's fight. Kubo doesn't even need filler writers any more, he has mastered the art of frustration.

And bat wings? Ulquiorra really is goth. Maybe he'll bring out an electric guitar and admit he's part metalhead...

Actually, that would be awesome. I'd watch that fight animated.

[Mr. Obsession]

So, Ulquiorra is Man-Bat then? I can live with it. Though originally I figured he'd be some sort of hawk based on his eye power, but then we got one of Barragan's fraccion was revealed to be a hawk. So since Kubo has at least kept each arrancar release unique so far I thought Ulquiorra would be an owl then. Again it goes with the eye power theme and the horn on his helmet would actually fit. But no, wrong again.

Anyway, a bat-demon thing. Looks like the some of the fan artists got that one right.

As for the switching focus to Rukia, color me not surprised. Though it would be nice to alternate between Ulquiorra and Yammy, at this point I doubt we'll see Yammy's release until all the other Espada fights are done.

[Novapocalypse]

OK, so if the Soul Society has all of their best fighters on earth with the fake Karakura, and the real Karakura is in the Soul Society, Ichigo and the others as well as a few captains are in Hueco Mundo, doesn't this leave the Soul Society itself wide open?

[Mr. Obsession]

Well, if the real Karakura is in Soul Society, then obviously Soul Society is now under the protection of the Karakura Superheroes™!

Oh crap, I think I just created a filler episode.

[Anime Freak]

Full Spoilers are out for 345:
-Rudoban is giving Rukia trouble by creating more and more "minions" with his fruit that she has to keep destroying, thus tiring her out. No mention of Chad or Renji.
-Ishida and Inoue escape the tower and Inoue is worried as she and Rukia both look up at an explosion outside the dome.
-Ulqorria tells Ichigo that level 4 and below espada aren't allowed to release beneath the dome or use grand cero because the power would destroy Las Noches.
-Ulqorria says “Bind…Murcielago.” and releases. A bunch of black ink looking stuff surrounds him and he comes out with huge black wings .
-He swiftly attacks Ichigo with something similar to a "light sword" right at Ichigo's neck.He manages to barely escape with Getsuga Tenshou,but in the meantime has part of his mask cut off.

[XOMiss_Samantha]

The whole idea of Ulquiorra with big black wings just sounds so awesome and badass to me. I'm greatly looking forward to this chapter.

[Rud]

The whole idea of Ulquiorra with big black wings just sounds so awesome and badass to me. I'm greatly looking forward to this chapter.

ditto, well, unless its like the wings from the dude from DNAngle, id rather they be more deadly looking....

[warnerbroman]

The whole idea of Ulquiorra with big black wings just sounds so awesome and badass to me. I'm greatly looking forward to this chapter.though useless since he can already fly

[Rud]

though useless since he can already fly

It would look cool though, besides, he can probably shoot razor sharp feathers or something generic like that or give him unparalleled flight speed.

[garfield15]

though useless since he can already fly
Doesn't matter. Rule of Cool states that wings are awesome especially if they're black and dark.

[Beat]

This chapter-

Ulqiorra- ACESSORIZE!

Orihime- USELESSNESS!

Rudoban- CO-BRA!

Chad- ...

Ichigo- MY MASK!

[warnerbroman]

wow that was quick

[SigmasonicX]

*read chapter*

gg Kubo for having half the chapter be blank.

[ShadowGUN]

For some reason Ulquiorra's Resurreccion remind me of Devilman.

[Beat]

Yeah, but Devilman is a lot more gruesome than Ulq has been so far. The head would need more ornamentation as well.

[XOMiss_Samantha]

I'm sorry but.... Ulquiorra is awesome. He's sweet (even though he's never done anything that could really constitute as being 'nice', I could see him having sympathy for at last something eventually...maybe? ok ok let me dream.) yet badass.
Can't say I'm a fan of the random pictureless pages though, lol- but Ulquis wings are pretty cool. I was expecting them to be more along the 'feather' lines, but at an angle they look quite immense. I thought the last page of Ichigo's half broken mask was crazy. He just LOOKS like the devil for some reason.

[garfield15]

http://i350.photobucket.com/albums/q422/j_reader/motivator7104221.jpg

[Mr. Obsession]

At first Ulquiorra's new design didn't really do much for me, but I think I like it now. But is it just me or did his hollow hole move again?

Googling "Murcielago" gave some interesting results, but I think the one about a famous Spanish bull (whose name also means "bat") that was used to start a new cattle breed was the most likely source of the name.

And while I'm not sure if I believe them or not, but some theories are now popping up on Bleach fansites that Ulquiorra's release design (with his new robe, wings, helmet, and light-sword) is based on Lucifer.

Also, the part about the grand-ray cero being banned in Los Noches was a pretty neat tidbit. So we now know why the others haven't used it so far, it reflects on Grimmjow's "I Don't Give A Damn" personality, and it means the captains in Fake Karakura are in even more trouble. Because Kubo wouldn't bring something like that up unless he means to use it again.

[Beat]

http://i350.photobucket.com/albums/q422/j_reader/motivator7104221.jpg

Needs more fangs and dripping blood, and slightly wider bat ornamentation (as previously noted) Then we'll have Ichigo vs. Devilman (a fight that I'd bet on Devilman to win).

[thenewme93]

I think it's safe to say Ichigo's gonna either need help from someone jumping into the fray or an AssPull victory..

[RockmanDash]

I think it's safe to say Ichigo's gonna either need help from someone jumping into the fray or an AssPull victory..

Don't worry Ichigo! RENJI AND CHAD SHALL COME TO SAVE YOU! I mean come on Renji at least needs to win a battle here! All Renji was able to do so far was get his butt kicked by a pink hair scientist.

[Beat]

Renji the jobber against Devilman? Yeah, Renji isn't winning that fight. Not that I expect his arrival, but Renji vs. Devilman is like Orihime vs anyone.

I'd laugh though if all the jobbers decided to gang up on Ulq, but Ishida's presence last chapter seems to imply a one on one battle.

[RockmanDash]

Renji the jobber against Devilman? Yeah, Renji isn't winning that fight. Not that I expect his arrival, but Renji vs. Devilman is like Orihime vs anyone.

I'd laugh though if all the jobbers decided to gang up on Ulq, but Ishida's presence last chapter seems to imply a one on one battle.

You really want Don_East to burn you alive don't ya? =P

But really now I can see this like Yu Yu Hakusho. Ichigo gets his butt kicked and Renji and Chad come to distract "Devilman" as Ichigo trys to wake up. But unlike Yu Yu Hakusho.. Ichigo does not die. And then we all learn the meaning of friendship Bleach style and that love over powers everything and blaa blaa blaa..

[SigmasonicX]

Spoilers are out. There was a fake spoiler picture going around that was literally just a black page. I must admit I was quit surprised to see that it was actually in the manga <_<

[Anime Freak]

Early spoilers are out and the only way to best sum it up is:
...Ichigo gets his ass kicked and owned! And that will be all. :sweat:

[garfield15]

Early spoilers are out and the only way to best sum it up is:
...Ichigo gets his ass kicked and owned! And that will be all. :sweat:
So what else is new?

[Beat]

Like a little shounen pansy like Ichigo really had a chance against DEVILMAN. Further proof for my theory that most of Go Nagai's characters would wipe the floor with most shounen heroes.

I think it's time for the supporting characters to provide a distraction.

[RockmanDash]

Like a little shounen pansy like Ichigo really had a chance against DEVILMAN. Further proof for my theory that most of Go Nagai's characters would wipe the floor with most shounen heroes.

I think it's time for the supporting characters to provide a distraction.

Renji to the rescue!

[garfield15]

Renji to the rescue!
With Chad too? They're all doomed :p

[Beat]

I know it's wishful thinking, but I'd much rather see a Byakuya, Kenpachi and Ichigo teamup over seeing a Renji, Chad and Ichigo teamup.

But they'd actually have a shot at winning.

[anime_guru]

if it was kenpachi, he'd win...byakuya as well would have a great shot against ulquiorra...

What I wonder is this
Since Ichigo embraced his hollow side, am I the only one wondering why

he can't regenerate considering when he was berserk, he could regenerate? Could this be a possibility for ichigo?

I mean who really didn't see Ichigo being pwned happening? Although I think a more apt person to come to the rescue is grimmjow, renji, and chad...truth be told it could happen like this

Grimmjow comes to help Ichigo, and dies or is about to die and in a blaze of contrived shonen fashion, ichigo takes his ability to the next level...sorta...hey its a common trope but it can happen..

eh well for now, Ichigo gets pwned again

[garfield15]

I know it's wishful thinking, but I'd much rather see a Byakuya, Kenpachi and Ichigo teamup over seeing a Renji, Chad and Ichigo teamup.
You mean a smart idea? Not gonna happen :p

[Beat]

At the rate things are going, Orihime will come back. At which point we'll see that one grisly scene from Amon re-enacted.

Dammit, I like Magus' idea a lot better.

[garfield15]

Normally I wouldn't wish this on any character, but I kinda hope that Orihime gets a Higurashi-level insanity moment where she loses near all sense of reason (complete with insanity face of course)

[Beat]

It's more likwly to end with Devilman kidnapping Orihime and leaving, thus saving Ichigo from the beatdown as he realizes Queen McUseless has been kidnapped yet again. After thanking his luck Violence Jack wasn't there too, we cut to another fight.

[garfield15]

It's more likwly to end with Devilman kidnapping Orihime and leaving, thus saving Ichigo from the beatdown as he realizes Queen McUseless has been kidnapped yet again. After thanking his luck Violence Jack wasn't there too, we cut to another fight.
I'd rather she not be kidnapped again (even though we all know it's going to happen). Heck, maybe Kubo could come out of nowhere and have Byakuya and Kenpachi busting through like Yammy did.

....Ha, oh god....these very good and completely logical ideas are killing me.

[warnerbroman]

With Chad too? They're all doomed :pthanks C3PO

[Captain Highwind]

345

I really liked the use of lighting in this chapter. Kubo always draws sweet-looking crescent moons.

I take back Rukia's fight being filler, because the cow skull guy's starting to grow on me.

[XOMiss_Samantha]

I actually like chapters where Ichigo gets his ass kicked >_> This one was quite enjoyable.

[GWOtaku]

I'm getting tired of Ichigo getting trounced. Seriously, how long is it going to take for anyone to have a chance of defeating Aizen at this rate? It's unbelievable how much trouble Ichigo is being put through just to take down #4, even after he's resorted to basically transforming himself into an inhuman monster. At this rate, I'm starting to wonder if the manga is going to end with Aizen's defeat.

At some point, I would really like it for Ichigo and friends to actually be competitive. Instead, the manga heaps love upon Soul Society captains. Now I LIKE the captains, but they aren't the main characters.

People have had problems with Naruto, but I think that Naruto has always been more focused than Bleach has been in everything that's happened since they went to Soul Society.

[garfield15]

I'm getting tired of Ichigo getting trounced. Seriously, how long is it going to take for anyone to have a chance of defeating Aizen at this rate? It's unbelievable how much trouble Ichigo is being put through just to take down #4, even after he's resorted to basically transforming himself into an inhuman monster. At this rate, I'm starting to wonder if the manga is going to end with Aizen's defeat.

At some point, I would really like it for Ichigo and friends to actually be competitive. Instead, the manga heaps love upon Soul Society captains. Now I LIKE the captains, but they aren't the main characters.

People have had problems with Naruto, but I think that Naruto has always been more focused than Bleach has been in everything that's happened since they went to Soul Society.I agree with all this.

It's gotten to the point where I think that Kubo is slowly not caring about the story and just running the same formula over and over again.

[Beat]

I'm getting tired of Ichigo getting trounced. Seriously, how long is it going to take for anyone to have a chance of defeating Aizen at this rate? It's unbelievable how much trouble Ichigo is being put through just to take down #4, even after he's resorted to basically transforming himself into an inhuman monster. At this rate, I'm starting to wonder if the manga is going to end with Aizen's defeat.

At some point, I would really like it for Ichigo and friends to actually be competitive. Instead, the manga heaps love upon Soul Society captains. Now I LIKE the captains, but they aren't the main characters.

People have had problems with Naruto, but I think that Naruto has always been more focused than Bleach has been in everything that's happened since they went to Soul Society.

The snarky answer- Ichigo's fighting a manga character from the 70's. By virtue of being from the 70's or the 80's, he's automatically way more awesome than a modern shounen pansy.

The real answer- The SS captains get more love so the main cast has to keep relying on their superior strengh, thus keeping them relevant. Also, fangirls...

[Mr. Obsession]

I think I finally realized why I just can't get into this fight, we know Ichigo's going to win this. And I'm not saying that because he's the protagonist. Ichigo's lost plenty of times: Byakuya, Aizen, Yammy, Grimmjow (twice), Nnoitra, and yes even Ulquiorra once before. But this time is different because (a) Ulquiorra's already released so we know it's the final fight, and (b) Ulquiorra already told us how it would end back when he first met Ichigo with the "his power swings between being inconsequential and being greater than mine." Every other fight before this the outcome was uncertain, this was set in stone before it began.

I'd probably enjoy this a lot more right now if Ichigo was fighting one of the top 3 Espada and someone else was taking on Ulquiorra.

Also, I think Ulquiorra was wrong about getsuga being Ichigo's most powerful attack. If anything its power has decreased since it was introduced. The first time Ichigo faced Grimmjow, one desperate getsuga left Grimmjow with his scar. By the time Masked Ichigo was fighting Released Grimmjow, getsuga did nothing on its own. It was his bankai's blade that did the most damage.

Ichigo's power has been demonstrated time and time again to be dependent on his will and desperation, but if anything it should be stronger now that he has control over his inner hollow. Getsuga's not going to cut it on its own anymore against enemies that are on or above Ichigo's level.

I think when Ichigo does inevitably beat Ulquiorra it will be when he starts utilizing a new tactic he displayed during the final fight with Grimmjow. Rather than using the blade on its own, or getsuga on its own, he'll combine them. During the Grimmjow fight, several times Ichigo ran getsuga's energy down Tensa Zangetsu's blade without releasing the blast. Based on the way both attacks have been described as working I'd wager that combining the two works as a multiplier for Ichigo's attack power.


I'm getting tired of Ichigo getting trounced. Seriously, how long is it going to take for anyone to have a chance of defeating Aizen at this rate? It's unbelievable how much trouble Ichigo is being put through just to take down #4, even after he's resorted to basically transforming himself into an inhuman monster. At this rate, I'm starting to wonder if the manga is going to end with Aizen's defeat.

If anything I believe the manga will continue after Aizen's defeated, based on the fact that Kubo's stated multiple times in multiple interviews that he has more stores to tell in Bleach beyond the current one. He's also allude to having plans for several characters who haven't done anything at this point in the story. If anything I think we're looking at least one arc after Aizen's defeat.

But speaking of Aizen's eventual defeat, I don't think it's going to happen at the hands of one individual, it's going to have to be a team effort. Nor do I believe it's going to happen in Fake Karakura Town. I agree with Magus, Aizen's was way too smug the last time he was seen behind Yamamoto ring of fire and has been shown to be incredibly adaptable in his plans before. I'm pretty sure I've stated this before, but I believe everything that's happening right now is part of Aizen's grand plan to clean house before he unveils his all new, vasto lorde exclusive Espada.

And hey, if he manages to eliminate one or two captains in the meantime that's just gravy for Aizen.

[ShadowGUN]

I'm getting tired of Ichigo getting trounced. Seriously, how long is it going to take for anyone to have a chance of defeating Aizen at this rate? It's unbelievable how much trouble Ichigo is being put through just to take down #4, even after he's resorted to basically transforming himself into an inhuman monster. At this rate, I'm starting to wonder if the manga is going to end with Aizen's defeat.

At some point, I would really like it for Ichigo and friends to actually be competitive. Instead, the manga heaps love upon Soul Society captains. Now I LIKE the captains, but they aren't the main characters.

People have had problems with Naruto, but I think that Naruto has always been more focused than Bleach has been in everything that's happened since they went to Soul Society.

Perhaps Ichigo will turn the tables on Ulquiorra in the next chapter and finish him off. After all there only one sin left, lust.

[Mr. Obsession]

Unless Kubo decides to go with the Seven Virtues next. :p

[Rud]

When did Ichigo learn to regenerate his mask when it got damaged?, and by the way, i prefer the underdog route of the characters being at a disadvantage and getting "trounced" as you say, its more exciting than when they have upper hand (especially when they win).

[Mr. Obsession]

During the last fight with Grimmjow. At one point Ichigo's mask cracked and Grimmjow taunted him about it. Ichigo retorted about Grimmjow not looking much better and used his and to fix his mask.

[garfield15]

Okay first of all, DAMN!

http://i350.photobucket.com/albums/q422/j_reader/05.jpg

This is seriously some Go Nagai s*** going down with Ulquiorra. This is one of the coolest title openings I've ever seen in this

Secondly,

Unless Kubo decides to go with the Seven Virtues next. :p
And then there's that Squad 0 that has been rumored as well as the rumor that Ichgo's mask isn't complete yet or something like that.

[anime_guru]

During the last fight with Grimmjow. At one point Ichigo's mask cracked and Grimmjow taunted him about it. Ichigo retorted about Grimmjow not looking much better and used his and to fix his mask.

and also during his hollow training he proved he had the ability to regenerate. Why that really hasn't been explored is beyond me :sweat:

GW makes some good points and I was talking about this with my brother and a strange thought I had was the fact that aizen is way too smug, who knows, that may not be the real aizen ala his shikai. I think that would make a lot more sense than aizen and co. ust sitting there

[Captain Highwind]

Feels very strange having someone standing next to Orihime at the sidelines that doesn't talk like Daffy Duck. Where is Nel, by the way?

Also, if Kubo's bold enough to start putting in gory moments like Matsumoto's incident, then I cringe thinking what Ichigo's going to look like after that Cero. Apparently it's the strongest attack to come out of the manga at this point.

[FlyByNite77]

I'd like to see Nel and Yachiru fight... It would be hillarious if Nel was in chibi form anyway ;)

[Scirel]

Ch. 347


Orihime might actually do soemthing soon.

It also looks like Vasto Lorde Arrancars DO have a Bankai equivalent, it looked like he did a second release.

[ShadowGUN]

Unless Kubo decides to go with the Seven Virtues next. :p

I think you might have point seeing as ichigo didn't manage to finish of Ulquiorra in this chapter. Instead he just became Super Devilman.

[anime_guru]

well that is a pwning for ichigo
anyone getting a soul society feel after reading that chapter?

It would've been nice to see the hollow come back (hollow ichigo) but this is insane. good lord...

[garfield15]

Ch. 347


Orihime might actually do soemthing soon.
I swear to God, if this is another fakeout


It also looks like Vasto Lorde Arrancars DO have a Bankai equivalent, it looked like he did a second release.
http://i350.photobucket.com/albums/q422/j_reader/a85e2c3a1b8e22c3b3c0a367a54f10ab123.jpg

[warnerbroman]

it creepy that he looks like Marylin Manson with tentacles

[RockmanDash]

Looks like Ulquiorra just decided to pwn Ichigo even more with a much more powerful form. Yep.. don't worry Ichigo.. Renji and Chad are coming to make themseleves amazingly awesome.. just you wait........eh...................................it's never going to happen... :shrug:

[Baseball]

Ch. 347


Orihime might actually do soemthing soon.
yeah, die

Murcielago's full release looks awesome. Man, Ichigo is so screwed.

[RockmanDash]

Why do I get a Ichigo vs Kenpachi battle vibe from this?

[garfield15]

yeah, die

Murcielago's full release looks awesome. Man, Ichigo is so screwed.
Uh, yeah two things

1)If Orihime dies, that will be quite ironic considering what just happened in Naruto.
2)Unlike in the latest chapter of Naruto, I'm gonna be pretty pissed if she dies.

[laactor101]

Why do I get a Ichigo vs Kenpachi battle vibe from this?

Why Yes I do...

[warnerbroman]

yeah, die

Murcielago's full release looks awesome. Man, Ichigo is so screwed.if she dies Stefanie will be out of a job (get it?)

[FlyByNite77]

Ulqi looks like he's channeling Brandon Lee in the Crow.

and if Orihime dies I am going to be a very sad and angry panda :(

I'm hoping Ishida's commentary is indicating just some drastic turn of events that she sets into motion by getting involved. I just really hope her death isn't a part of it

[Don_East]

and if Orihime dies I am going to be a very sad and angry panda :(
Not just quoted for truth, but also muiltiplied by over 9000. Everyone knows how important she is to me and I think I'll actually go mad with rage if she dies.

[Beat]

Orihime dies, without going evil first? That seems like a waste. Although it will make 2009 "Death to useless shounen females" year.

[Captain Highwind]

Well, that wasn't too gory. I guess Ichigo's mask = +250 defense


I swear to God, if this is another fakeout

http://i350.photobucket.com/albums/q422/j_reader/a85e2c3a1b8e22c3b3c0a367a54f10ab123.jpg

I have to wonder how this is all going to animate. With every chapter, Kubo goes through another keg of ink.

[Hyper Shadow X]

We all know that some how Ichigo's gonna gain some huge ass. Power up through some means to win this battle though it is nice to see him getting his ass kicked.

[RockmanDash]

Orihime dies, without going evil first? That seems like a waste. Although it will make 2009 "Death to useless shounen females" year.

Orihime is not going to die, that would not only be a complete waste but it would be sad and dumb writing if you ask me. Yes guys I understand you think she is just the scared little girl who stands in the back and says" ICHIGOOOOO!!!" but she had her good moments as well. She's the healer and not the complete fighter. Really I bet Orihime will get a power up+ a battle eventually.

[Neo Ultra Mike]

Originally posted by Megaman X
Why do I get a Ichigo vs Kenpachi battle vibe from this?

You're a weirdo.:D

... Joking on that but my point is there is no real comparision between these two battles. Maybe sort of at first but not now. The only time Kenpachi revealed any super hidden secret powerups when Ichigo revealed his pulled out his ass sword power up to fight Kenpachi and then he removed his eyepatch. And that was when Ichigo was looking to at least do well in the fight. Not so much here as Uliquorra has been owning ever since he did his sword transformation which is far different then the Kenpachi fight.

You know what probably won't happen but I'd like to hope happen: What if Ulquoirra "killed" Ichigo and that gave Orihimie a plus power up that defeated Uluiqorria so she could go save Ichigo. That'd be a very nice twist actually. And though Ichigo whines about being put through so much by Ulquirrra and having to defeat him I'd like Orihimie to do it and finally show she can be useful and helpful to Ichigo and not have to rely on him all the time... and then end up becoming the pwn Aizen needed later on but still it'd be nice to see.

[Beat]

While it's entirely possible Ichigo will lose to Devilman, Orihime, much like jumping, is useless.

[Neo Ultra Mike]

Yeah but if she was able to use Shun Shun Rikka as a form of powerup to and is able to affect even more then 5... thousand dimensions she'll gain the ability to even crush the almighty quad laser by taking four episodes to unleash the hand of god.

... That's right, I raised your ATHF refrence with a mix of that and Yu-Gi-Oh Abridged Episode 34. What now?

[garfield15]

Yeah but if she was able to use Shun Shun Rikka as a form of powerup to and is able to affect even more then 5... thousand dimensions she'll gain the ability to even crush the almighty quad laser by taking four episodes to unleash the hand of god.

... That's right, I raised your ATHF refrence with a mix of that and Yu-Gi-Oh Abridged Episode 34. What now?
Awwwww snap!

We just got Mikowned!

[Malex]

While I know that Ichigo should lose to Ulquiorra, I know that Ichigo will win because Ulquiorra said two words, "...Bind! Murciélago." Release is synonymous with defeat in this manga. What I really hate about this is that Kubo has to pull this win so far up his "rump" that he'll pull out his uvula.

I have had a problem with the Hueco Mundo Arc from the beginning. The Espada fights have been jokes starting with Rukia "suddenly" remember her last move that skewers Aaroniero's head. Ichigo needed cheering from Madame Useless to just barely beat Grimmjow. The less I talk about Zaraki's Kendo against Nnoitra, the better. Zommari and Szayel Apporo lost to their hubris against smarter and superior opponents.

Ulquiorra has been the only espada so far that has not faltered in his resolve or power since he appeared. The only way he can be defeated by Ichigo is through some sort of a pathetic plot twist that weakens the Cuarta Espada. When that happens, I will either stop reading Bleach or punch a large rock. Kubo has failed me too many times these past two years.

[garfield15]

While I know that Ichigo should lose to Ulquiorra, I know that Ichigo will win because Ulquiorra said two words, "...Bind! Murciélago." Release is synonymous with defeat in this manga. What I really hate about is that Kubo has to pull this win so far up his "rump" that he pulls out his uvula.

I have had a problem with the Hueco Mundo Arc from the beginning. The Espada fights have been jokes starting with Rukia "suddenly" remember his last move that skewers Aaroniero's head. Ichigo needed cheering from Madame Useless to just barely beat Grimmjow. The less I talk about Zaraki's Kendo against Nnoitra, the better. Zommari and Szayel Apporo lost to their hubris against smarter and superior opponents.

Ulquiorra has been the only espada so far that has not faltered in his resolve or power since he appeared. The only way he can be defeated by Ichigo is through some sort of a pathetic plot twist that weakens the Cuarta Espada. When that happens, I will either stop reading Bleach or punch a large rock. Kubo has failed me too many times these past two years.
This (minus the stop reading Bleach or punch a rock part)

Heck, I had a problem with this arc once I realized that this was the same thing as the last one.

[Captain Highwind]

I have had a problem with the Hueco Mundo Arc from the beginning. The Espada fights have been jokes starting with Rukia "suddenly" remember her last move that skewers Aaroniero's head. Ichigo needed cheering from Madame Useless to just barely beat Grimmjow. The less I talk about Zaraki's Kendo against Nnoitra, the better. Zommari and Szayel Apporo lost to their hubris against smarter and superior opponents.

My question is, what is everybody going to do when all the Arrancar get bumped off?

Are we still up for a Winter War?

Is Aizen going to rebuild everybody with the Hōgyoku, assuming that old plot still applies, and just start all over with the same tourney-ness?

Is this (http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s97/Mr_Highwind/FF%20VII/dirge-of-cerberus-image-423.jpg) going (http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s97/Mr_Highwind/FF%20VII/dirge-of-cerberus-image-359.jpg) to be (http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s97/Mr_Highwind/FF%20VII/FFDoc_Chaos.jpg) Ulquiorra's FINAL final form?

Because I think at that point Vincent Valentine will have a case.

[1 of 3]

This (minus the stop reading Bleach or punch a rock part)

Heck, I had a problem with this arc once I realized that this was the same thing as the last one.

All the more reason Ichigo should lose, so that we have a much starker contrast between this arc and the SS.

I've always said what may have really aided the HM arc is a little lampshade hanging (see TVTropes.org) back at the beginning. Have Urahara give a warning like: "This won't be like before in the Soul Society, the enmey will know you're coming, etc."

Odd as that sounds, I think would've helped by creating a mindset in the audience to be examining the differences between the two arcs and overlooking the similarities.

That said, it still wouldn't have fixed all the problems with the HM arc, but that's another topic.

[1 of 3]

Anyway.. about this chapter...

Looks to me that Kubo will go the too obvious route of having Ulquiorra target Ishida and Orihime to get Ichigo to break down, similar to Toguro in the Dark Tournament in Yu Yu Hakusho. I'm hoping for something more original, but I'm not betting on it.

Still, I doubt either of them will die.

Main thing is, if Ichigo's going to win this one, I really think it should come at some consequence. Having him get into this much trouble and Hichigo suddenly to bails him out for free would be a really bad conclusion.

[Paul_Cousins]

Normally I wouldn't wish this on any character, but I kinda hope that Orihime gets a Higurashi-level insanity moment where she loses near all sense of reason (complete with insanity face of course)Only if Kenpachi is there to witness it. With a mask of fear appearing on his face and him running for the hills to show the seriousness of the situation of Orihime going over the edge. :evil: Because if an ax crazy psycho like Kenpachi is running away, no one should be behind him.

[Anime Freak]

Early spoilers are out for 348:

-Seems That Ulqorria didn't tell anyone,even Aizen, about his 2nd form as he is the only 1 of the espada to supposedly have one.
-Ishida manages to get Orihime to the top of the dome, but just as they arrive...
-Ulqorria appears in front of ichigo and stabs him through the chest! :eek:

Anyways, with this so called 2nd form it's not looking good for Ichigo, so maybe it's time for Orihime to finally do something! Either that or Ichigo will have to go psycho Hollow to win!

[Rud]

nice, Ulq is hiding his trump card even from the guys above him, does this mean hes secretly the most powerful Espada?

[GWOtaku]

Wow, that changes the scale of the fight a bit. Apparently, I have to reevaluate my opinion that defeating Ulquiorra doesn't mean much because of his rank.

[Paul_Cousins]

nice, Ulq is hiding his trump card even from the guys above him, does this mean hes secretly the most powerful Espada?It means that he has enough sense to fully trust Aizen, which puts him being smarter than anyone else, including the Soul Reapers, who ever worked with Aizen.

[garfield15]

-Ulqorria appears in front of ichigo and stabs him through the chest! :eek:

Oh, well this has never happened before!

[anime_guru]

sure it has remember in soul society, and grimmjow, and ulquiorra, and then...ohhh that's sarcasm okay =)

seriously ichigo is always getting impaled and then he summons up some super shonen technique and pwns barely. However ulquiorra having two forms is unique...sorta like a shikai and bankai. The later (and final form being bankai). I wouldn't count out any of the top 3 not having two forms. Stark doesn't seem like the type to share with aizen truthfully even to the point of allowing barrigan to assume command.

Well bleach looks interesting ... at least there's that

[Scirel]

Ulqui is pulling something that I've seen before. He THINKS that his super ultra form is something none of the other espada have, but most likely in reality, the others are compeltely aware of having higher forms, and his is paltry compared to theirs.

[FlyByNite77]

I think this chapter officially ends the Orihime/Ulqi ship talk because it's now obvious that Ulqi is in love with Ichigo.

He just gave him a hollow hole to match his own.

[Mr. Obsession]

Thank you Kubo for finally turning this around for me. Ulquiorra finally gets a release form that I actually like, and Ichigo gets a hole in his torso big enough to shoot hoops through. Now, rather than wanting to get back to fake Karakura I'm interested enough to want to see how this will turn around. On the other hand, of course this means we'll now be skipping back to fake Karakura. :p

Speaking of, now that Hitsugaya has won yet another popularity poll you know he's guaranteed to beat Halibel. Poor, poor Halibel. Not even the top three Espada can stand up against the power of fangirls and plotkai.

[XOMiss_Samantha]

Wow, Ulquiorra looks awesome. I don't even know how to describe him, he's just cool. Sadly...now I'm really starting to feel bad for Ichigo. That's a beastly hole.
On the one hand I want Ichigo to bounce back, but on the other I don't because that means he'll be closer to killing Ulquiorra which I don't want to happen =[

[Funkatron]

So Arancar have bankais. I was wondering about that.

Awesome, albeit short chapter

[ShadowGUN]

Damn. Ichigo is screw now. Devilman Ulquiorra seems unstoppable. Let hope this mean Orihime will finally fight.

[garfield15]

Okay, I was joking along before when we said Ulquorra was Devilman but now, I'm really starting to think he is.

By the way, don't tell me you weren't thinking it.

http://i350.photobucket.com/albums/q422/j_reader/motivator315636.jpg

[Don_East]

Okay, I was joking along before when we said Ulquorra was Devilman but now, I'm really starting to think he is.

By the way, don't tell me you weren't thinking it.

http://i350.photobucket.com/albums/q422/j_reader/motivator315636.jpg
:lol:
Everytime I see his emotionless face I can't help but think emo songs.

[Funkatron]

You know what? I think this is the moment where Orehime proves the naysayers wrong and starts pwning some Arrancar booty.

[anime_guru]

You know what? I think this is the moment where Orehime proves the naysayers wrong and starts pwning some Arrancar booty.

would be nice
I would prefer hollow ichigo's return considering the conditions are pretty similar to when he first became "hollow" and got his mask way back in soul society.

But a guy can dream...But orihime fighting would be great

[Beat]

You know what? I think this is the moment where Orehime proves the naysayers wrong and starts pwning some Arrancar booty.

Orihime vs. Devilman? It would end up like that one really really grisly scene in the Amon OVA where things get ripped off bloodily.

This chapter continues to prove the universal truth that shounen heroes from the 70's pwn their modern counterparts hard. That's a big hole. So Orihime can get kidnapped again or Hollow Ichigo will show up to fight Devilman. Could go either way.

[garfield15]

Orihime vs. Devilman? It would end up like that one really really grisly scene in the Amon OVA where things get ripped off bloodily.

Ouch, thanks for making me remember that.

Orihime vs Devilman is like putting Tenten up against like...SoulTaker or something.

[bigdeath]

Okay, I was joking along before when we said Ulquorra was Devilman but now, I'm really starting to think he is.

By the way, don't tell me you weren't thinking it.

http://i350.photobucket.com/albums/q422/j_reader/motivator315636.jpg

Theres something wrong with you. :p

[Paul_Cousins]

Ouch, thanks for making me remember that.

Orihime vs Devilman is like putting Tenten up against like...SoulTaker or something.You would think that until you realize that Orihime is the "Willow" (Buffy:TVS) of the Bleach series. :evil:

[bigdeath]

You would think that until you realize that Orihime is the "Willow" (Buffy:TVS) of the Bleach series. :evil:

Wait, does that make Orihime a Lesbian? :confused:

[Paul_Cousins]

Wait, does that make Orihime a Lesbian? :confused:Here is the link you need to read: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BewareTheNiceOnes

Given the last page two pages of the lastest chapter, with Orihime screaming and Ulquorra tearing a hole in Ichigo just to break Orihime's spirit. I think Ulquorra just pushed Orihime's beserk button: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BerserkButton

[bigdeath]

I was just joking, I know thats not what you meant. :sweat:

[Paul_Cousins]

I was just joking, I know thats not what you meant. :sweat:Are you sure. :p

[bigdeath]

Well, I was really hoping to see Orihime in a new light but at last, it seems some dreams never come true. :crying:

[thenewme93]

Man...if Orihime goes crazy then I know who's gonna start taking some of those comments back..

[garfield15]

Wait....the main character...stabbed through the stomach....possible Orihime mindf***. This can only lead to one possible event in the future. My dreams could be realized we just might have a....

HIGURASHI ORIHIME MOMENT!!!!

(Please Kubo. Don't screw this up. I need this.)

[Beat]

It doesn't matter what Orihime does, Kubo has made her the biggest joke of a heroine in years. There's no way any of the axe crazy stuff is going to happen. She'll try to appear tough, then Devilman will probably rip something off or kidnap her, Hollow Ichigo will show up and we'll have Round 3.

[Rud]

It doesn't matter what Orihime does, Kubo has made her the biggest joke of a heroine in years.
umm no, you have to be a heroine in the first place for you to be a crappy heroine, which she is not.

[Beat]

umm no, you have to be a heroine in the first place for you to be a crappy heroine, which she is not.

Very true. Although I'll get a good laugh if Orihime gets her butt kicked by Devilman.

[Don_East]

Well if my Orihime is gonna go bat**** on anybody, might as well be BatEmo. Ulquiorra being on the receiving end be epic. Not just because it would defy Beat's "cute girls can't fight EPIC DEMONZ!!!" logic.(Piece of advice, watch PPG) But it would shatter all the UlquiorraxOrihime shippers' hearts. I already shown my disdain towards this crack pairing that floods Deviantart day after day with crappy fanart. And this would solidify the notion that Orihime only has eyes for Ichigo and nobody else.

Of course, if Kubo makes Orihime have a regular mental breakdown and Hollow Ichigo shows up AGAIN. I'm gonna go Nostalgia Critic on his ass.

Also, calling Ulquorra "Devilman" is like calling Ichigo "Kenshiro". It just doesn't work.

[Beat]

Well the difference is that Ulq went for a Devilman cosplay outfit to beat up Ichigo. See, even cosplayers of badass 70's anime characters can beat up modern shounen pansys. That's why I'm rooting for the Devilman cosplayer.

And it's Kubo who seems intent on keeping Orihime useless.

[Mr. Obsession]

Am I the only one who would rather see Ishida pull out the Quincy final form again?

[GWOtaku]

Obviously SOMETHING drastic is about to happen, since Ichigo is not going to be dead for very long. Either Ichigo inexplicably gets up with his death leading to some sort of unforseen transformation (see Yusuke, Yu Yu Hakusho), or Inoue will have a crazy outburst that will stall Ulquiorra long enough for her to restore Ichigo. We've seen villains get blasted off into the distance by an attack only to come back very angry.

I certainly don't see Ishida making the difference...last chapter implies that he's a witness to something big, rather than the bringer of it.

Sadly, I could see Kubo making Ichigo like Ulquiorra, since he seems to like developing his transformations. I prefer Soul Reaper Ichigo quite frankly, but Kubo seems to be moving away from cool and more toward freaky...I could be wrong though.


Am I the only one who would rather see Ishida pull out the Quincy final form again?

I would, but it'll probably be saved for some other fight.

[Captain Highwind]

I prefer Soul Reaper Ichigo quite frankly, but Kubo seems to be moving away from cool and more toward freaky...I could be wrong though.


There is still Frieza Ichigo.

But geeze louise, would Ulquiorra stop showing off? Oh never mind, we still have to deal with Halibel and everybody else before this arc's even remotely over. DX

And we all know how long it takes Hitsugaya to remember how to use his bankai...

[warnerbroman]

Wait, does that make Orihime a Lesbian? :confused:


that would be awesome

[Beat]

Chizuru's only been working on it since Chapter 3 or so.

[Rud]

Am I the only one who would rather see Ishida pull out the Quincy final form again?

honestly, even with that he still wouldn't stand a snowballs chance.

[Lelouch]

Hmmm. I certainly want to see Orihime go crazy. But I'd rather she just turn evil and be with Ulquiorra. Ha. Yes, I am a total UlquiorraxOrihime shipper.

[XOMiss_Samantha]

Hmmm. I certainly want to see Orihime go crazy. But I'd rather she just turn evil and be with Ulquiorra. Ha. Yes, I am a total UlquiorraxOrihime shipper.

YES! I've found another UlquiorraXOrihime shipper like myself! It truly is a wonderful day in Bleach land.
I'd love for them to be together. Then Rukia could pair off with Renji, leaving Ichigo to... his hand. himself.

[thenewme93]

YES! I've found another UlquiorraXOrihime shipper like myself! It truly is a wonderful day in Bleach land.
I'd love for them to be together. Then Rukia could pair off with Renji, leaving Ichigo to... his hand. himself.

Crack pairings never cease to have me runnin for the hills with my hands in the air in pure fear amuse me..

[GWOtaku]

"Oh honey, you make me suffer so much!"
"It's what I do best. And all for you, dear."

Yeah......

*writes down "UlquiorraXInoue on a scrap of paper and burns it in effigy*

[garfield15]

Did we forget about the fated GrimmjowXOrihime pairing already?

http://i350.photobucket.com/albums/q422/j_reader/15e36f2af0184864fad324c145ac233e123.jpg

[Beat]

There were PeinxHinata fanarts and fanfics, and we all saw where that went.

$5 says Devilman cosplay Ulq seriously maims or kills Orihime in the next few weeks.

[Don_East]

There were PeinxHinata fanarts and fanfics, and we all saw where that went.

$5 says Devilman cosplay Ulq seriously maims or kills Orihime in the next few weeks.
A more fitting Naruto pairing that matches this is GaaraXSakura. Hell GaaraXAnyCharacter. What is it about emotionless killers and fangirls attraction to them(I know Gaara changed but still).


"Oh honey, you make me suffer so much!"
"It's what I do best. And all for you, dear."

Yeah......

*writes down "UlquiorraXInoue on a scrap of paper and burns it in effigy*
***THROWS A BUNCH OF ULQUIORRAXORIHIME PICTURES INTO THE EFFIGY***

BURN BABY BURN!

Yeah, for those keeping score...

Ichigo & Orihime
Rukia & Renji
Urahara & Yoruichi
Uyru & Nemu
Hitsugaya & Momo
Shunsui & NanaoNow & forever.

[garfield15]

***THROWS A BUNCH OF ULQUIORRAXORIHIME PICTURES INTO THE EFFIGY***

BURN BABY BURN!
***Throws some more***

KILL IT WITH FIRE!!


Yeah, for those keeping score...

Ichigo & Orihime
Rukia & Renji
Urahara & Yoruichi
Uyru & Nemu
Hitsugaya & Momo
Shunsui & NanaoNow & forever.
Yes, these are the most sane pairings.

And anyone who disagrees with these, no matter how strongly they feel about it is wrong wrong wrong.

[Luna]

***THROWS A BUNCH OF ULQUIORRAXORIHIME PICTURES INTO THE EFFIGY***

BURN BABY BURN!

Yeah, for those keeping score...

Ichigo & Orihime
Rukia & Renji
Urahara & Yoruichi
Uyru & Nemu
Hitsugaya & Momo
Shunsui & NanaoNow & forever. :anime: Thank you!!!! (adds Ichigo X Rukia and Uryu X Orihime to the "Burn" pile)....I'm not sure how I feel about Toshiro X Momo,though....maybe it's just me,but it seems like they see each other more as siblings than a potential couple...

[Beat]

I thought the canon ship was Orihime/whoever kidnapped her this week.

[Rud]

she wont snap, probably just sell her soul *coughthatincludesherbodycough* to Ulq to save Ichi, lol. Ichi will come back when hes stronger.

I thought the canon ship was Orihime/whoever kidnapped her this week.
shes only been kidnapped once by one guy!!......

[Mr. Obsession]

shes only been kidnapped once by one guy!!......Let's see:

Kidnapped by Ulquiorra, kidnapped from her kidnapping by Grimmjow, rescued by Ichigo, kidnapped by Nnoitra, rescued by Kenpachi, kidnapped by Stark.... am I forgetting anyone?

[garfield15]

Well she seems to attract trouble from those two b**** Arrancar girls frequently. Though they're dead now...

[Rud]

Let's see:

Kidnapped by Ulquiorra, kidnapped from her kidnapping by Grimmjow, rescued by Ichigo, kidnapped by Nnoitra, rescued by Kenpachi, kidnapped by Stark.... am I forgetting anyone?

oh, right, i just completly forgot to consider those considering she still hasnt been rescued from the first kidnapping yet, lol.

[XOMiss_Samantha]

Aw what a bunch of stiffs. You guys don't know how to have any fun with crack pairings. *takes out the fire extinguisher*
You don't have to like something and then have evidence of why or how exactly it makes sense for it to be worthy of discussion. Even 'sane' pairings can be crappy pairings. Maybe the next time Orihime is kidnapped she'll develop Stockholm syndrome (that is, if she doesn't die first. *crosses her fingers*).

[Lelouch]

ALRIGHT.

We all know Ulquiorra and Orihime make sense because his badassness makes up for all of her fail. He can put up with her whining because he can just be rough and tell her to shut up. What is Ichigo going to do? Cry with her?

*Also brings out fire extinguisher*

Now...

*Brings out a can of mace*

STOP ME AND YOU WILL NEVER BE ABLE TO SEE AGAIN!

[garfield15]

ALRIGHT.

We all know Ulquiorra and Orihime make sense because his badassness makes up for all of her fail. He can put up with her whining because he can just be rough and tell her to shut up. What is Ichigo going to do? Cry with her?

*Also brings out fire extinguisher*

Now...

*Brings out a can of mace*

STOP ME AND YOU WILL NEVER BE ABLE TO SEE AGAIN!
"THIS SHIPPING OF MINE GLOWS WITH AN AWESOME POWER!

IT'S STUPIDITY AND UNREASONABLENESS TELLS ME TO DEFEAT YOU!"

[Beat]

Crack pairings, how you amuse me so.

I'm more curious if the higher ups turn into other Go Nagai cosplayers. I

Hitsyuga- Hold it right there!

Espada guy- OPEN GET! CHANGE GETTA ONE!

Hitsyuga- crap...

[Don_East]

Maybe the next time Orihime is kidnapped she'll develop Stockholm syndrome (that is, if she doesn't die first. *crosses her fingers*).
This is Bleach, not the Wild Wild World Of Batwoman. ***SHUDDER***

Now...

*Brings out a can of mace*

STOP ME AND YOU WILL NEVER BE ABLE TO SEE AGAIN!

"THIS SHIPPING OF MINE GLOWS WITH AN AWESOME POWER!

IT'S STUPIDITY AND UNREASONABLENESS TELLS ME TO DEFEAT YOU!"
AND I SHALL ASSIST YOU! ZAPPER POWER!

***USES ZAPPPER TO DESTROY THE CAN OF MACE***

***USES ZAPPER TO REIGNITE EFFIGY***

Aw Zapper, you never let me down.

VIVA ICHIHIME!

[garfield15]

Crack pairings, how you amuse me so.

I'm more curious if the higher ups turn into other Go Nagai cosplayers. I

Hitsyuga- Hold it right there!

Espada guy- OPEN GET! CHANGE GETTA ONE!

Hitsyuga- crap...
Toushirou would be sooooooo screwed if that happened.

However, this is even more likely

Toushirou: It's over Halibel.
Halibel: You have yet to discover my true power. (strikes pose) HALIBEL...FLASH!
Toushirou: What the...
Halibel: Sometimes I'm an Espada working for Aizen, and sometimes, I'm an Arrancar terrorizing Shinigami and other times, I'm a hollow feeding of the souls of humans but my true identity is...CUTEY HALIBELY! (Cue theme music)
Toushirou:.........

[Lelouch]

This is Bleach, not the Wild Wild World Of Batwoman. ***SHUDDER***


AND I SHALL ASSIST YOU! ZAPPER POWER!

***USES ZAPPPER TO DESTROY THE CAN OF MACE***

***USES ZAPPER TO REIGNITE EFFIGY***

Aw Zapper, you never let me down.

VIVA ICHIHIME!

YOU THINK YOU ARE CLEVER!?!

*Throws don, garfield, allotherswhoopposeUlquiorraxOrihime into effigy*

I WIN!

Edit: And uhm...a more serious note...uh...who thinks Ulquiorra will actually come out alive this fight?

[thenewme93]

Luckily I developed an immunity to all those weapons..

[Beat]

Realistically, Ulq should win just because Go Nagai > Tite Kubo now and forever. It'd be like writing Sailor Moon beating Wonder Woman. It's not right.

[Don_East]

YOU THINK YOU ARE CLEVER!?!
Actually... Yes.

***ICHIHIME SHIPPERS IN THE EFFIGY TURN OUT TO BE LOGS***

***DON_EAST SHOWS UP WITH A SWORD AND CHARGES AT LELOUCH SAMURAI STYLE***

***LELOUCH GOES OUT LIKE A SENTAI MONSTER***

Don_East Wins: Fatality.

Enough of that.


Realistically, Ulq should win just because Go Nagai > Tite Kubo now and forever.
I'm really tempted to say Nagai is overrated. But I've never seen any of his work to make such a statement.

[garfield15]

I'm really tempted to say Nagai is overrated. But I've never seen any of his work to make such a statement.
......

So, Beat, you want to get his legs or should I?

But seriously, I'd like to believe that Ulquiorra can walk out of this alive but given Kubo logic, once a character has released their swords, they're pretty much done. Which is a shame too because Ulquiorra is quite the emo badass.

[Beat]

......

So, Beat, you want to get his legs or should I?

I'll get them. I'm a jiu jitsu guy, we're good at holding people down, quite painfully I might add.


But seriously, I'd like to believe that Ulquiorra can walk out of this alive but given Kubo logic, once a character has released their swords, they're pretty much done. Which is a shame too because Ulquiorra is quite the emo badass.

It looks like they want a Rd 2 later. But seeing as Ichigo is about to go psycho it would look to be over. If Orihime is kidnapped yet again we'll have a Rd 2 later.

[Don_East]

......
So, Beat, you want to get his legs or should I?

I'll get them. I'm a jiu jitsu guy, we're good at holding people down, quite painfully I might add.
What part of "never seen any of his work" do you guys get? I can't actually say that because I have not seen Mazinger, Cutey Honey, Devilman, or anything made by the Manga-Ka Go Nagai.

Also, for what it's worth Ulq is a kinda cool. It's just that his fanbase, which comprised of fangirls who think cold hearted killer with the emotions of a robot equals perfect boyfriend, ruined it for me.

[garfield15]

What part of "never seen any of his work" do you guys get? I can't actually say that because I have not seen Mazinger, Cutey Honey, Devilman, or anything made by the Manga-Ka Go Nagai.

No I read it, I wasn't really serious (maybe?) but really you should see Mazinger sometime.

[Neo Ultra Mike]

Originally posted by Lelouch
Edit: And uhm...a more serious note...uh...who thinks Ulquiorra will actually come out alive this fight?

I've said it before I'll say it again: He's fighting Ichigo. If he continues fighting Ichigo he'll live at least in the fight and either be killed by someone else or lay in obscurity for awhile? Because Ichigo is one of the biggest p***** ever when it comes to finsihing of people. He's only done it to hollows back in the day before the Soul Society arc started, un personality hollows or filler characters who don't even have souls. Ichigo isn't going to kill Ulquoirra if he ends up still fighting him. Even if Ichigo went psycho hollow he'd get control of it at the last second. Then Ulqouirra would charge at him with the last of his energy and Ichigo would counter it and somehow beat him and Ulquoirra would walk off.

... ALthough if that happened I would personally use Shunpo to go over to Tite Kubo's house and smash his arms and face in for reusing the same storylines so much he can't even make interesting fight endings anymore. Seriously I still don't think Ichigo deserves to win this fight, like at all. Have him loose, get offed by Ulquiorra, have Orihimie go "psycho" and beat him (with Ulqouirra flying off) and then heal Ichigo as Aizen realizes it's time to go to the next part of his plan or something. That'd be far far far far better then Ichigo getting another power up out of his ass.

[RockmanDash]

O-Or maybe Renji will show up and go all bankai and saveeeee the day! If Renji actually did fight and win that would be the craziest plot twist ever. Or better yet Ulquoirra actually being a women.

But really I can't see Ichigo winning this round and if he goes all power up like it's going to make this really...bad. Come on let Orihime do something dang it!

[Beat]

The first rule of Bleach is that Orihime NEVER wins a fight. EVER.

The second is that the ink budget increases by 10% each year.

[Don_East]

The first rule of Bleach is that Orihime NEVER wins a fight. EVER.
Uh, Numb Chandelier? Evil hollow voiced by Rita Repulsa. Hello? Way back at when she first got the Shun Shun Rikka. Aka the Bleach equivalent of the tech demo of the Nintendo Wii. And Kubo is the Data Design Interactive. How's that for a metaphor?

[garfield15]

Uh, Numb Chandelier? Evil hollow voiced by Rita Repulsa. Hello? Way back at when she first got the Shun Shun Rikka. Aka the Bleach equivalent of the tech demo of the Nintendo Wii. And Kubo is the Data Design Interactive. How's that for a metaphor?
Yeah, that one fight in episode 13 or so really contributed to her character development for future events, didn't it? :p

EDIT: My god, it's been that long since she's won a fight? That was like 5 or 6 years ago in the manga.

[Don_East]

Yeah, that one fight in episode 5 or so really contributed to her character development didn't it? :p
Where to begin...

First, it was episode 13 not five. Also it gave background on her relationship with Tatsuki, Orihime stood up on her own, we see her truly defeat an enemy. And unfortunately it's her only moment like that.

DAMN YOU KUBO!

[garfield15]

Where to begin...

First, it was episode 13 not five. Also it gave background on her relationship with Tatsuki, Orihime stood up on her own, we see her truly defeat an enemy. And unfortunately it's her only moment like that.

DAMN YOU KUBO!
Yeah, I changed the episode number, sorry about that. Okay yes, I will admit that her background and stuff was very important, but like I said, that was 6 or so years ago (in manga. In the anime that was like 5 years ago, which is still a long time for her to be doing nothing).

BTW, to get off-topic for a second, why the heck does Kira keep getting so high in the character polls? He's barely ever in the story.

[Rud]

come on guys, she was never meant to be a fighter, and there is nothing wrong with that.

[Beat]

Orihime got one win to demo her powers and has been beaten easily since. It's kinda like watching the Detroit Lions play. You hope, but know they're going to inevitably fail.

So will she try to fight Devilman? Maybe. Will she win? Of course not. She'll either be beaten down until Ichigo rescues her or kidnapped.

[Rud]

^^im going to guess that his mad love for Hanamori (is that how that's spelled??) and his misunderstoodiness makes him popular.

[garfield15]

Didn't you know? Character development's not the only thing people care about. If a character can fight, then they pretty much got a chance to get a high praise, in Bleach anyway. But his (along Yumichika and Hisagi) fight against that arrancar pretty much rose the bar for him. (All 3 of them pretty much made Renji, who has a bankai look like crap) At least that's my take on it. Then again, if I'm not mistaken, Kira had a high fanbase since he was first showed if I'm not mistaken.. "shrugs"
Everyone just loves the emo ones don't they.

Though you're right that right now, Kira is showing to be more competent than Renji at this point. I mean, that entire Shuusuke Amagai filler was basically about him until Ichigo showed up. And even still, it was about him.

^^im going to guess that his mad love for Hanamori (is that how that's spelled??) and his misunderstoodiness makes him popular.
It's Hinamori.

And I forgot that he likes her too. Hmm, maybe that's a possibility.