Bleach 195. Current manga discussion. *MAJOR SPOILERS!*

[Sparticus]

I think that's the problem. Ichigo gets owned all the time, but the battle's not allowed to finish until he retaliates.

Chad just kinda takes it.

That's more of a personality issue methinks; Ichigo's too stubborn to go down and stay down (even for his own good) but Chad's more of a go with the flow kinda guy (even if it means getting pwnd).

[Lighthammer]

Lets not forget the backstory on Chad either.

He grew up instilled with the idealogy of not fighting back unless its to save another.

If memory serves me, Chad hasn't really had that kind of situation in the series of battles with extra planers yet.

Yea, Chad has participated in the rescue for Rukia and now Orihimia but his individual battles hasn't had someone he cared about standing next him to taking damage in front of his eyes. The very closest he's gotten to that is taking the heat for Orihimia when they encountered Yammy as a suicide endevour.

It seems like Ichigo tends to keep his eyes on the ultimate goal where as Chad needs to smaller goals to get the bigger one.

[rubberchicken]

Except for the whole "Ichigo and Chad watch each other's backs" thing, which Chad seems to take very seriously (given that it was introduced from his point of view.)

[Lighthammer]

Except for the whole "Ichigo and Chad watch each other's backs" thing, which Chad seems to take very seriously (given that it was introduced from his point of view.)

Thus my point.

He seemingly needs to fight for someone who's THERE or he KNOWS has directly and recently taken the brunt of a situation.

Remember, there also has been several scenes now where he is almost depreseted at the fact he CAN'T watch Ichigo's back anymore and that the gap in power has grown to big.

[Captain Highwind]

Chapter 268

Well she remembered the third dance

*Sniff* I smell Bankai!

But Kaien definately ain't comin' back

[Sparticus]

Go Rukia!!! :D

[laactor101]

I think this arc is going to end up proving coming to Hueco Mundo was a very very bad idea. yeah it would

[Captain Highwind]

Chapter 269

Rukia's little fight is over

I'm somewhat interested in Ichigo and Ulquiorra's fight (even though Ichigo's obviously going to get his ass kicked.)

[Sparticus]

Chapter 269

Rukia's little fight is over

I'm somewhat interested in Ichigo and Ulquiorra's fight (even though Ichigo's obviously going to get his ass kicked.)

I dunno, if Rukia dun recover he might just let ze Hollow go on a bloody rampage. Which would be hella cool.

...ooohhh... something just occured to me; Ulquiorra plays a little mind game with Ichigo, maybe lets him know that Aizen has some kind of fun toy he wants to test out, and that Operation Rescue Inoue can only survive if they leave before he finishes getting it out of the box. Then he goes on to tell him that Ichigo could probably rescue Inoue, but he'd be forced to abandon Rukia. At the same time, he could save Rukia, but it'd be too late to get to Inoue. He'd probably mention that they had no intrest in killing Inoue anyway 'cause she's useful and all.

That would be like him.

[Captain Highwind]

270

The ineffectiveness of Ichigo's Hollow Mode is getting really annoying.

It's starting to water down the danger of the Hollow taking over him (although that plot has taken a back seat anyway).

[Malex]

Seeing as Vizard Ichigo was on par with unreleased, one-armed Grimmjow, it's expected that it would be ineffective against Ulquiorra, but there could be some interesting results while being in Hueco Mundo which seems to be "hollow powers bursting out."

[KuwabaraTheMan]

Wow, Ichigo is in big trouble. He can't do anything against Ulquiorra. And I can't believe that Ulquiorra is only 4th. I would have put money on him being Top 3 for sure.

I guess Noitora probably is above him, then. Crazy.

Ichigo is probably going to lose AGAIN here.

[GWOtaku]

ED NOTE: Blah, never mind

[KuwabaraTheMan]

Er, wha?

I read through 271 and saw none of that.

[GWOtaku]

Yeah, I screwed up. My bad.

[rubberchicken]

Wow, Ichigo is in big trouble. He can't do anything against Ulquiorra. And I can't believe that Ulquiorra is only 4th. I would have put money on him being Top 3 for sure.

I bet Ulquiorra is like Ernst Stavro Blofeld and gave himself a lower rank to make people underestimate him.

[Grenzer]

I bet Ulquiorra is like Ernst Stavro Blofeld and gave himself a lower rank to make people underestimate him.

Aizen is the one person who determines who holds what rank in the Espada, and I'm sure he ranks them by strength.

Having read the translation to the chapter it seems Ulquiorra enjoyed revealing to Ichigo that he was only the 4th ranked Espada. Ichigo (and most of the readers) assumed that Ulquiorra had to be the most powerful of Aizen's soldiers based on his actions in the past; the fact that he is not even in the top three drives home the point that of Ichigo and co. are really out of their depth this time. I hope that this defeat will teach Ichigo to be less impulsive and work harder to refine his powers. You can't win all of your battles with just brute strength and new power-ups, you need strategy and finesse as well.

[Malex]

I called it a mile away that Ulquiorra was not Primera or even Segunda Espada, but not even in the top 3 is just wrong. I knew from the beginning that the group were over their heads once they entered Hueco Mundo, but this is the final nail in the coffin. Sadly, if this follows Soul Society then this would be the Zaraki fight and we could possibly see Hollow Ichigo try to usurpt Ichigo which could lead to Ichigo to have more control over the hollow self leading to more power and a semi-victory.

[Captain Highwind]

I just hope one of the strongest three is NOT the ugly half-moon guy who beat up Chad. I really don't like him. ><

[KuwabaraTheMan]

I'm pretty sure Noitora probably is in the Top 3. Only other spots left are 5 and 7. I can't see him being lower than Grimmjow. So either Top 3, or #5 for Noitora.

[Captain Highwind]

Chapter 272 Made me go o_o

Poor Orihime... :(

But at least Ishida gets to kick pompous ass.

[GWOtaku]

Surprised to see Grimmjow show up at Orihime's room at the end though...wonder what he's up to.

[silverwings]

I'm pretty sure Noitora probably is in the Top 3. Only other spots left are 5 and 7. I can't see him being lower than Grimmjow. So either Top 3, or #5 for Noitora.

I think the top 3 are Aizen, Gin, and Tousen (in that order), imo. Unless evidence comes up that proves otherwise...

[rubberchicken]

I don't know if Grimmjow is necessarily "up" to anything. The two who were tormenting Orihime seem to be there without permission, and Aizen almost certainly wants her intact and fully functional. Grimmy's probably been sent to lay down the law.

I'm still not sure what Ulquiorra is up to, since he went ahead and left Ichigo behind while after acknowledging the possibility that he will survive. Ulquiorra seems methodical enough that he would finish Ichigo off if he really wanted him dead. Certainly he had a golden opportunity right there.

[Captain Highwind]

I'm still not sure what Ulquiorra is up to, since he went ahead and left Ichigo behind while after acknowledging the possibility that he will survive. Ulquiorra seems methodical enough that he would finish Ichigo off if he really wanted him dead. Certainly he had a golden opportunity right there.

I guess he's afraid of Ichigo's Hollow side? Which would imply that Ichigo hasn't tapped into it too much.

But whatever the case, it probably has something to do with Hollow Ichigo.

[KuwabaraTheMan]

Damn, Ichigo got messed up bad. And Grimmjow looks to be up to something. I wonder what.


I think the top 3 are Aizen, Gin, and Tousen (in that order), imo. Unless evidence comes up that proves otherwise...

They aren't Espada. The Espada are Arrancar, not Vaizard.

Plus, it was said the Espada were created by Aizen.

[rubberchicken]

I guess he's afraid of Ichigo's Hollow side? Which would imply that Ichigo hasn't tapped into it too much.

But whatever the case, it probably has something to do with Hollow Ichigo.
If he's afraid, that's all the more reason to kill Ichigo there while he's completely defenseless.

Otherwise, what's the logic? "I'm afraid of this new but unmastered power you have, so why don't I just let you live so that you can come back once you've developed it further?"

I mean, he didn't even do what Byakuya did way back and seal off his powers.

[GWOtaku]

Well, Ulquiorra abandoned Ichigo once before since he figured he wasn't dangerous enough to kill. As last chapter showed he's extremely confident that he's seen the best Ichigo can possibly do and that he can't defeat him or the strongest Espada, so we're just seeing Ulquiorra's logic at play again here. Since to him Ichigo is no threat, he's simply indifferent about whether he survives or not.

[rubberchicken]

Well, Ulquiorra abandoned Ichigo once before since he figured he wasn't dangerous enough to kill. As last chapter showed he's extremely confident that he's seen the best Ichigo can possibly do and that he can't defeat him or the strongest Espada, so we're just seeing Ulquiorra's logic at play again here. Since to him Ichigo is no threat, he's simply indifferent about whether he survives or not.

Why must shonen villains be so stupid...

[Captain Highwind]

If he's afraid, that's all the more reason to kill Ichigo there while he's completely defenseless.

But was he? It looked like the Hollow was stirring, so it would've been better for him to leave.

Or my other theory: there's something in Hollow Ichigo that can take down Aizen. I don't know how Ulqy would survive if that'd happen, but it would be a nice opportunity for him to reach the top of the ladder.

[Sparticus]

I think Ulquorria is more 'up to stuff' than Grimmy is. Grimmy was probably just seeing what all the ruckus was (wouldn't it by funny if his room was next door or something and he's all like "WTF Are you idiots doing? Damn, can't a guy get any sleep around here...").

Man, where is Kubo GOING with this... O.o *ponders*

[GWOtaku]

Some scans of 273 are out there...apparently Grimmjow kills those two Arrancar to pay back Orihime for restoring his arm, although he's apparently not there to rescue her. Meanwhile, Ishida asks Zael to introduce himself. After learning his rank within the Espada Ishida comments that he's not that strong and doesn't have a chance, suddenly appears behind him, and attacks. So, Ishida seems poised to defeat this guy. If he does, he's clearly stronger than Renji.

[KuwabaraTheMan]

If he does, he's clearly stronger than Renji.

Well, not really.

Renji was struggling because Zaelappolo had a strategy set up specificallly to deal with his Bankai.

Renji not being able to win is an example of how matchups can determine things. Although this is one of the only times we've ever seen this in Bleach, whereas the fights are usually all about strength and nothing else.

[GWOtaku]

Hmm yeah, I forgot about that to be honest...in any case, at least not everything is going to hell in a handbasket for our heroes. If they can take care of Zael Ishida and Renji may be in a position to regroup and/or save some of the others.

[Captain Highwind]

Well, not really.

Renji was struggling because Zaelappolo had a strategy set up specificallly to deal with his Bankai.

Renji not being able to win is an example of how matchups can determine things. Although this is one of the only times we've ever seen this in Bleach, whereas the fights are usually all about strength and nothing else.

Heck, that's one of the few times I've seen it in manga/anime...and I like it. Especially when the villain is full of himself. :)

[Kaiser0120]

Damn, Kubo's gettin' violent with this! The way Grimm takes care of those two... Especially Loli. o.o

[KuwabaraTheMan]

Another interesting chapter. Ishida falls right into Zaerupallo's trap, but Renji is there to save them, and now we're going to see them team up. This should be fun.

Teamwork? In Bleach? Oh Snap!

Let's see how this goes.

[Captain Highwind]

Chapter 274

Orihime's such a trooper :crying:

I thought Ishida would pwn the guy from the start, but I don't mind if he takes his time now...

[kidx]

Gah, I wanna see what happens with Ichigo, I'm guess that his Hollow form will take over again, this time kinda like how it did when him and H-Ichigo was fighting but this time, and at some time when he sees Orihime he'll snap back to being his old self. Well that's just one of my guess anyway.

[MessyB]

Has anyone else been having trouble following the manga recently? Last week it was very difficult to piece together what was happening in Orihime's cell. The Ishida part isn't bad, but this time I have no clue what happened with Orihime. Who attacked whom, how did it end up?

[rubberchicken]

Not really. The two minor underlings were tormenting Orihime. Grimmjow came in, blew the male away, and broke the leg of the female.

[Malex]

They were both girls.

[rubberchicken]

Oh.

[Kaiser0120]

Has anyone else been having trouble following the manga recently? Last week it was very difficult to piece together what was happening in Orihime's cell. The Ishida part isn't bad, but this time I have no clue what happened with Orihime. Who attacked whom, how did it end up?

Just remember that anything with a black border is a flashback!

[Rocketboy]

Chapter 275

Wow, Ishida and Renji are a very powerful team if they can kill an espada in 1 chapter.

[silverwings]

274, I'm confused.

Did Orihime heal the black-haired girl and then kill through erasing the other one? :confused: :eek:

[rubberchicken]

No, she healed the black-haired girl and undid the death of the one that Grimmjow had obliterated.

[Captain Highwind]

274, I'm confused.

Did Orihime heal the black-haired girl and then kill through erasing the other one? :confused: :eek:

Her powers work through altering the time-stream and undoing damage. That's why Aizen wants to use her ability so bad, since she can revitalize the hogyoku and he can use it like new (I think).

[Malex]

I thought Aizen wanted to reject the dormancy of the Hogyoku so it could be fully activated before winter.

[silverwings]

No, she healed the black-haired girl and undid the death of the one that Grimmjow had obliterated.

Ah, she un obliterated the other? That's odd, since you see her head fully formed in the panels prior to the 'healing' one. That's why I thought Orihime was erasing her?

[Malex]

The healing scene was a flashback. That's why Menoli was fully formed in the beginning of the chapter and not later on.

[Kaiser0120]

Holy ****. Grimmjaw's gonna actually gonna have Orihime heal Ichigo... interesting! Grimmjaw's turning into an interesting character...

[Malex]

I predicted that back when Grimmjow barged into Orihime's room. Kubo is taking too long and is being too predictable.

[KuwabaraTheMan]

Szayellaporo is still alive, and heals himself. Looks like this fight is going on a little while longer. But what else can really be done?

Sigh, Kubo, Kubo, Kubo

[SigmasonicX]

*bangs head against the wall*

Dammit Kubo, is it that hard to actually HAVE SOMETHING HAPPEN IN YOUR CHAPTERS?!

[Captain Highwind]

I am also wondering if the anime people have told Kubo to slow his pace down so the anime can catch up... :\

[Malex]

I am also wondering if the anime people have told Kubo to slow his pace down so the anime can catch up... :\

Isn't that a bad thing?

This is sad. I am underwelmed by these latest chapters. I was more excited for Bleach than Naruto, in regards to anime and manga. Anime-wise it's still true, but lately I am enjoying Naruto manga more.

If Ishida and Renji have half a brain between them, they would high tail it out of there before Szayel Aporro comes back.

[Captain Highwind]

Isn't that a bad thing?


Ordinarily, yes. But I've had this theory since the anime's rush job at the beginning of the new season, as well as the opening covering events that almost takes us to where we're at in the manga.

Other than the surprise twist with Kaien, this arc's been pretty uneventful, as if Kubo's been stalling. I think he's letting the anime speed through this arc, so that they can stretch out whatever he has planning later.

[Kyuss]

This is why I feel Naruto is the superior manga. Kishimoto doesn't care if the manga out paces the anime. It's all about telling the story. Which is probably why this Wormgod has enjoyed Naruto for some time now.

[Furu]

This is why I feel Naruto is the superior manga. Kishimoto doesn't care if the manga out paces the anime. It's all about telling the story. Which is probably why this Wormgod has enjoyed Naruto for some time now.

To me, anyway, Naruto's pacing is as terrible if not more so than Bleach.

Especially Shippuden's.

[Kaiser0120]

To me, anyway, Naruto's pacing is as terrible if not more so than Bleach.

Especially Shippuden's.

I'll agree with you ANIME wise, however lately, Naruto's pace has picked up a little more and Bleach's has slowed down quite a bit.

[Furu]

I don't know, to me the whole post-fight sequences and the Team Sasuke stuff could have been compressed into a smaller period of time and still have gotten everything across.

[Kyuss]

Furu,

Perhaps but compared to how drawn out this fight with Ichigo's team is in Hueco Mundo, at least those chapters were/are far more interesting. I admit it's a personal preference but still, I think a valid one.

[Baseball]

So, it looks like Ichigo's dead. Maybe this will teach him that he should train before barging into enemy territory.

[Kyuss]

That and probably when you invade enemy territory, you take more than 5-8 people with you. I mean where are the siege weapons?

[Captain Highwind]

Chapter 277

I didn't even realize Ichigo died, this arc is so slow. Not that it matters, since Orihime's a walking deux ex machina.

I guess Ulquiorra will be killing off Grimmjow now.

[rubberchicken]

That and probably when you invade enemy territory, you take more than 5-8 people with you. I mean where are the siege weapons?
Yeah, because nothing's more conducive to a nice subtle infiltration than a howitzer or two.

[beren]

Chapter 277

since Orihime's a walking deux ex machina.



Shes a walking deux ex machina with a great rack, get it strait.

p.s. I mean great as in grand, or gigantic.

[Kyuss]

Rubber chicken,

When you invade an enemy's home turf, subtlety is the last thing on your mind. Indeed, howitzers shellings make for a much more effective strategy when dealing with an intransigent force you're not planning on taking over for turf.

Highwind,

Beren is correct. Orihime is all about the attributes, not her skills.

[rubberchicken]

Rubber chicken,

When you invade an enemy's home turf, subtlety is the last thing on your mind. Indeed, howitzers shellings make for a much more effective strategy when dealing with an intransigent force you're not planning on taking over for turf.
What the hell?

It's a rescue, not a conquest. Their entire goal here is to get in, rescue Orihime, and get out again. The last thing on their mind is pounding Aizen's fortress into rubble, because it's filled to overflowing with enemy goons who could wipe the floor with our heroes.

Yes, they should most certainly give away their position, so that the enemies can descend upon their numerically inferior group with overwhelming force and crush them. Or perhaps Aizen himself would show up to deal with them. Even Ichigo isn't cocky enough to think he has a chance of beating Aizen.

Never mind the fact that they don't know where Orihime is. When you're trying to rescue a hostage, you don't clear the room out with grenades.

And let's not forget that the reason they're going in there with such a small force (apart from the obvious reason that an army will attract attention and get wiped out) is that there is nobody else to go in with them. The Visored and the other Reapers aren't helping.

[Captain Highwind]

Chapter 278

I guess we're done with the tourney battles (am I the only one that chuckled at the splash page of inconsequential villains?), and Ichigo finally gets to settle things with Grimmjow.

Too bad Ichigo ********ted his way out of getting fully-healed...waytaGO!

[Kyuss]

R-chicken,

This is why it seems so illogical to me. A rescue mission never made much sense to me, especially when you're going deep into the heart of enemy territory. Then again, I'm not much for rescuing people. I say blow them back to beyond the pale and keep going after that. Orihime, while a lovely girl, would be an acceptable causality in a fight against Hollows/Arrancar.

Highwind,

Indeed these last two chapters are hardly worth considering at the moment, since it's been one long drawn out fight after another.

[rubberchicken]

R-chicken,

This is why it seems so illogical to me. A rescue mission never made much sense to me, especially when you're going deep into the heart of enemy territory. Then again, I'm not much for rescuing people. I say blow them back to beyond the pale and keep going after that. Orihime, while a lovely girl, would be an acceptable causality in a fight against Hollows/Arrancar.
1) It's a shonen series and that ain't gonna happen.

2) Since it's highly doubtful that Ichigo and company have the power to do what you suggest even if they had the inclination, it's a moot point. Aizen can probably kill the lot of them just by looking at them, and they have no so-called "siege weaponry" that would do the job in any case.

[Kyuss]

Rubberchicken,

1. It might be a shoneon series but you'd think if there was brain cell one among them, they'd consider this option.

2. They have a Serita. They have weapons to fight Hollows. You mean to tell me they hadn't ONCE considered the possibility of being sieged and didn't think to bring siege weapons? That's just poor, poor leadership not to mention military thinking on their part. Every great nation knows at some point, fights occur on their home turf and therefore require ways to break sieges in some fashion.

[rubberchicken]

Rubberchicken,

1. It might be a shoneon series but you'd think if there was brain cell one among them, they'd consider this option.

2. They have a Serita. They have weapons to fight Hollows. You mean to tell me they hadn't ONCE considered the possibility of being sieged and didn't think to bring siege weapons? That's just poor, poor leadership not to mention military thinking on their part. Every great nation knows at some point, fights occur on their home turf and therefore require ways to break sieges in some fashion.
Siege weapons against a force that vastly outnumbers them?

Ichigo: JIHAAAAAAAAD

Aizen: What is this noise out in the boondocks?

Hollows sally forth, surround them, game over.

Aizen: How good of you to announce your presence.



Maybe, just maybe, they're not using your idea because they have a few brain cells between them. As in "Gee, only a moron would attempt to lay siege to an enemy fortress with a force of only five warriors; maybe we should try something that's actually feasible with our limited resources."

[Kyuss]

Vastly outnumbered? Not if you have the right positions to do siege work. High enough ground and a very defensible position, coupled with heavy mortar fire. That's how the South lost Gettysburg.

As for them only have five warriors, who's fault is that? If they had said "Hey let's give them a heavy sieging assault!" that might have turned some heads.

[rubberchicken]

Vastly outnumbered? Not if you have the right positions to do siege work. High enough ground and a very defensible position, coupled with heavy mortar fire. That's how the South lost Gettysburg.
The fortress is surrounded by a nice flat desert in a place where the indigenous lifeforms themselves are going to be a threat. The only defensible location in the area is the fortress.


As for them only have five warriors, who's fault is that? If they had said "Hey let's give them a heavy sieging assault!" that might have turned some heads.
Given that a heavy sieging assault isn't feasible in this location, it might have shaken a few heads, but that's about it.

[Kyuss]

Well if it's all desert then perhaps the alternative is to build such a fortification and THEN start the siege.

All I'm saying is this randomly charging and attacking bs isn't working. Another tactic would seem to be called on.

True insanity is, after all, doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.

[rubberchicken]

The only thing that might be less feasible than laying siege to Aizen's fortress is building fortifications within striking distance of Aizen's fortress.

[Kyuss]

Rubber chicken,

You're obviously not well versed in siege craft. The first rule and always the most important, STAY OUT OF THE OTHER GUY'S RANGE. I was thinking more they'd built on the border between the Soul Society and Hecuo Muda(sp). That way they can build up a structure THEN launch strikes from great distances against their foes.

[rubberchicken]

Rubber chicken,

You're obviously not well versed in siege craft. The first rule and always the most important, STAY OUT OF THE OTHER GUY'S RANGE. I was thinking more they'd built on the border between the Soul Society and Hecuo Muda(sp). That way they can build up a structure THEN launch strikes from great distances against their foes.
what

If the good guys have some magical OMFGdevice that will let them annihilate Aizen from the other end of the map, it's a safe bet that Aizen will have something very similar. After all, he's already dug in, and doesn't have to worry about building anything while under enemy fire. Nor, for that matter, does he have to commit most of his forces to policing the real world for Hollows.

[Kyuss]

*in an effort NOT to eat Rubberchicken Kyuss concedes that chicken's belief in being right is right*

[beren]

What an interesting discussion, is anyone else really digging orohime's dress?

[rubberchicken]

What an interesting discussion, is anyone else really digging orohime's dress?
I didn't actually notice it.

I've liked Orihime's general appearance more in the last arc or so, probably because I prefer her more serious look to the comic-relief stuff.

[Kyuss]

Some people do when it's not comically.

[laactor101]

i've enjoyed bleach so far but i need kubo to hurry up and finish this arc so we can move to the big battle in that town ichigo live in and so i can get a clear an understanding so i can use this as arc in my fanfic.

[FinnMacCool]

Well if it's all desert then perhaps the alternative is to build such a fortification and THEN start the siege.

All I'm saying is this randomly charging and attacking bs isn't working. Another tactic would seem to be called on.

True insanity is, after all, doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.

You do realize that this rescue Orihime plan is not sanctioned by the Soul Society, right? Ichigo, Chad, and Ishida can go because they're not officially part of the Soul Society, and Rukia and Renji are risking their careers by going. I'm sure they'd probably love to have big fortifications and machines, but all the big resources are being saved up for the Winter War; for the purposes of rescuing Orihime, however, five people and their standard weapons are all they've got to work with (assuming you don't count Urahahara's group, since they never do anything).

[Kyuss]

Finn,

There's a Winter War? I must have missed that. If that's the case will the Others be fight along side the Hollows? I just ask humorously because I wasn't aware there was a war the Soul Society was preparing for...

[Malex]

Winter is the season when the Hogyoku will be fully awakened and when Aizen will set forth to create the Ouken out of Karakura Town. That is when Soul Society will make their stand to protect the human lives and the Spirit King from Aizen and the Arrancar.

[Kyuss]

Malex,

Seems I need to go over my information more thoroughly next time. Thanks for that insight. Spirit King eh? I still wonder if Hollows won't have the Others fighting alongside them.

FYI, THIS (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night%27s_Watch#Others) has more info on what I'm talking about if you are unfamiliar with whom I speak of.

[Captain Highwind]

Chapter 279

Orihime says she believes Ichigo will win, and Grimmjow says he'll win. The pace is dropping considerably...

But it looks like Ichigo got healed properly.

My only question is... when did that happen? The last page in 278 shows the battle starting. What, did they quit for a few minutes and start back up again?

[kidx]

Yeah, I was wondering the same thing. But I think it might have been kinda like I cant really explain it but ya know how the cover work is. Well its sorta like that, I guess thats what Im trying to say.

[rubberchicken]

Zzzzzzz...

[Captain Highwind]

Zzzzzzz...

But--Orihime thinks Ichigo's gonna win! Isn't that worth waiting a week to read?

I don't know how, but somehow the anime people have hijacked the manga.

[GWOtaku]

Anyone else surprised Grimmjow was able to outmanuver and seal Ulquiorra? It was the #6 espada against #3. In theory, the gap between them is rather substantial. Makes me wonder whether Ulquiorra will get out sooner than expected at a very inconvenient moment.

[KuwabaraTheMan]

Wow, that chapter was almost as bad as 192(I think that's the one).

Seriously, Kubo:

WHAT
THE
HELL
?

So friggin' pointless.

[FlyByNite77]

You know the worst part of some of these recent chaptors is since hardly anything happens the anime will probably be able to use like 10 chapters in one episode lol.

[laactor101]

I'm sure it will get better later on but this fight is dragged on but the favorite part of this chapter is the line Grimmjow said I laughed at that line.

Other than... keep me excited for the next one I guess...

[Lighthammer]

Finn,

There's a Winter War? I must have missed that. If that's the case will the Others be fight along side the Hollows? I just ask humorously because I wasn't aware there was a war the Soul Society was preparing for...

Wow, it seems the Wormgod has become unkempt without me to keep him in check!

For the Winter War information, refer to episode 126 (where Captain: Yamamoto (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shigekuni_Yamamoto-Genry%C5%ABsai) first explains the situation) and again in 127 when Orhime conveys it else where (to Ichigo, Chad, Rukia, etc).

As far as your advocation to seige weapons: I think the point was made clear that first and foremost this rescue attempt WAS NOT sanctioned. Heck, everyone told them NOT TO GO. So before we talk tactics, this is the groups belligerence getting them in over their head. Beyond that, tactics suggests when you are in enemy territory and you are grossly out numbered you make every attempt NOT to be seen. Tactical superiority is one thing but stealth is another. This situation called for stealth. Infiltrate and rescue, not destroy every living, breathing thing in the area.

I guess infiltration is a concept unknown to worm gods!

[Captain Highwind]

Chapter 280

Better.

But it's also the start of a very long fight, I'm thinking.

[Kyuss]

Wow, it seems the Wormgod has become unkempt without me to keep him in check!

Yeah well bring it paladin boy! I need something to snack on.


I guess infiltration is a concept unknown to worm gods!

It's not unknown, just my idea of infiltration is usually predicated on using undead in various forms.

[FlyByNite77]

Chapter 280

Better.

But it's also the start of a very long fight, I'm thinking.

Unless Ichigo's greatly increased his time in his Hollow form it shouldn't be 'that' long of a fight...:p

[Kyuss]

It will be longer than some fights we've had.

[Ashton Anchors]

Well. At least the whole "Lets fly somewhere else that's a billion yards long" isn't too farfetch'd.

[Rocketboy]

So this (http://img297.imageshack.us/my.php?image=26463aqw2.jpg) is what Kubo has been hiding from us.

[Captain Highwind]

Super S-Cry-Ed 3?

[beren]

Whats wrong with plain old bankai ichigo? Why does he have to get stronger? He was already at the pinnacle, why not just have a few tough fights wich he wins? Shounen, it blows my mind.

[Captain Highwind]

And I have to say he looked scarier with the mask.

Now he just looks like Grimmjow.

[Rocketboy]

Whats wrong with plain old bankai ichigo? Why does he have to get stronger? He was already at the pinnacle, why not just have a few tough fights wich he wins? Shounen, it blows my mind.

It's Grimmjow, ya darned....*Mutter, mutter.*

[Captain Highwind]

So it is Grimmjow?

Oh thank goodness... -_-;

[Malex]

Wow, you guys thought that was Ichigo? It's obviously supposed to be Grimmjow...and fake. I can allow a maskless release like Edorad, but you can see something on Grimmjow's forehead. An unreleased jawline mask can't release into a forehead protector mask. I am all for a release, but it will be unnecessary after 11 seconds.

[Captain Highwind]

The Frieza tail was throwing me off.

[Captain Highwind]

Chapter 281

Looks like it wasn't a photoshop.

Ichigo's going to sound so cool in the anime when he talks to Inoue with that cool voice effect...

[rubberchicken]

Orihime: Ichigo, you look sorta like a Hollow...
Ichigo: shut up and get back on the sidelines where you belong, woman
Ichigo: YAAAAAAAAAAAA
Grimmjow: I can YAAAAAAAAAAAA louder than you!
Ichigo: eek
Grimmjow: HAHAHAHAHA
Ichigo: Henge no Jutsu! Surprise, I'm behind you now! Getsuga Tenshou!
Grimmjow: YAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[Captain Highwind]

Chapter 282

Looks like Hollow Ichigo's kinda taking over.

My goodness, those Hollow ladies aren't wearing any shirts! o_o

So many characters...this winter war thing is going to be huge.

[Rocketboy]

You forgot to mention there's a Nemu-spy among them.

[beren]

I just hope this arc is over soon, just grab orohime, the people you brought with you, and get the hell out of there. I am secretly hoping Kenpachi will show up, this is the kind of thing that would float his boat.

[Lighthammer]

I just hope this arc is over soon, just grab orohime, the people you brought with you, and get the hell out of there. I am secretly hoping Kenpachi will show up, this is the kind of thing that would float his boat.

I kinda think at this point Kenpachi has himself sprawled away some place trying to learn his Bankai. I really don't expect to see him till the wear is in full bloom.

[rubberchicken]

Ah yes, Orihime has finally accepted her true role in this series.

*sigh*

[Captain Highwind]

Ah yes, Orihime has finally accepted her true role in this series.

*sigh*

You'd think after almost getting hit by debris twice, she'd kinda back away a little...

You know...kinda let Ichigo concentrate on the battle a little more...

Speaking of which

Chapter 283

(Reading the chapter with 'Have You Seen Me Lately' by Counting Crows.)

And the fight's over already.

[FireStarterLE]

I don't know about completely over yet, but it does seem like Ichigo was just toying with Grimmjow when he said "i can't let you".

I guess either way, the next chapter will conclude the fight

[Kyuss]

That, by Io's breath, would be a relief. This fight has gone on for a bit too long, in my opinion.

[Captain Highwind]

Chapter 284

And Grimmjow's back up again...

Aw, he looks so cute as a cat! *Pats head* :anime: *Then runs* :eek:

[Sparticus]

Awwww, Kitty!Grimmy!!!

[laactor101]

well I wasted an couple of minutes reading this when will the fight end!!!

Before Hell Freezes over I say!

But other than that It's good to see the Grimmjow has an back story

[Captain Highwind]

But other than that It's good to see the Grimmjow has an back story

Which goes to show you that he's not too happy that Aizen booted him out of his position of leadership.

[Kyuss]

Who's fault is that? If Grimmjow was as strong as he claims, he should have killed Aizen and been done with it.

Instead we have this extensive and fairly pointless fight.

[FireStarterLE]

Who's fault is that? If Grimmjow was as strong as he claims, he should have killed Aizen and been done with it.

Instead we have this extensive and fairly pointless fight.

I think if he could really back up his claims, he'd have more than a #5 on him but since he doesnt, he's probably just full of himself

[Kyuss]

Still, one wonders why any of the arrancar accept Aizen's leadership. Considering the violent and often sociopath tendencies of Hollows, it would stand to reason that the strongest of them would not agree to follow Aizen, no matter what offers he presented to them. To them, it seems (if I base anything of their characteristics from Grimmjow), they respect only their own strength and very little of others.

[KuwabaraTheMan]

Hold up a second. So now Shawlong was an Adjucha? But Hitsuyaga said previously that Grimmjow's team had all been Gillians. I guess they made an error in judgment. (Read, Kubo changed his mind)

Pretty cool chapter, I suppose. This fight needs to pick up, though. Hopefully it won't go too much longer.

[Malex]

It was mentioned that if an Adjucha does not devour hollows equal to their strength they revert back to Gillians. It could be assumed that Shawlong, Edorad, and Il Forte went back to Gillians if Grimmjow took all the good hollows since he is the "king."

OR

Kubo changed his mind.

[Mr. Obsession]

Gimmjow was the only one in the flashback actually addressed as an Adjuca. Shawlong said their group didn't want to settle for just reaching Adjuca status, but wanted to become Vasto Lordes. The way I read the chapter it seemed that the group were all Gillians at various stages in the process of becoming Adjucas, with Showlong being the closets to actually achieving it. And even then Showlong dwarfed Grimmjow.

At least we now know why Grimmjow took that particular group of Arrancar with him to the living world.

[All-Star 1.5]

Can someone tell me the meaning behind the title of the series? I mean why is it called Bleach?

[Malex]

Shinigami cleanse the Hollows out of the world. Bleaching cleanses stains off of clothing so, the Shinigami are "bleaching" the world. Also, Bleach is a title of one of Nirvana's albums, and Tite Kubo is HUGE rock fan.

[Lighthammer]

Can someone tell me the meaning behind the title of the series? I mean why is it called Bleach?

The other alternative meaning is Ichigo's hair. Although it's not bleached, many believe it is and have actually challenged him on it.

Malex got the other ones.

[KuwabaraTheMan]

*sigh* Another chapter, and not very much happens in it. Ichigo and Grimmjow both have resolve to win? Who knew????!!! *gaspshockfaint*

There were a couple of mildly cool moments, but nothing really worth noting here. Kubo is really dragging right now.

[Baseball]

I think Ichigo won. All of Grimmjow's Desugaron broke, and it looks as if Ichigo stabbed through Grimmjow.

[Captain Highwind]

Chapter 285

Enjoyed the color page. Ooc moments are always fun, even if they are advertisements, especially when Ichigo's involved (being the natural fallguy that he is).

Looks like it concludes next week. This whole fight has just been a "My name is Ichigo and I'll be the one to rescue everybody and beat the bad guys" kinda moment. Still badass if they animate it right.

[Malex]

So, the reason why D-Roy is weak sauce is that he took a bite of himself. That's just sad. I thought it was because he arrancarized without the Hogyoku, but whatever. It really looks like Grimmjow is gonna bite the dust now. Ichigo and friends should have been smart about this. If they kill an espada, a stronger one is going to take their place when the Winter War starts. They should have just snatched Orihime and ran away. Dumbasses.

[Captain Highwind]

Grimmjow's not going to die. He's one of those change of heart types that become useful to the heroes at some point unexpected.

[Havok]

Kubo Tite, dare I say, has lost his touch.

[Rocketboy]

I'm holding out for the winter war to say completely if he's lost his touch.

[Captain Highwind]

I don't know, Ichigo's ready to beat Aizen right now...:sweat:

Or, at least, he says he's gonna do it before rescuing Orihime.

Where is Kubo going with this?!

[GWOtaku]

I don't see anything wrong with the last few chapters. Its not an unusual fight, its not like Ichigo didn't have this kind of back-and-forth with earlier opponents.

My issue is that Ulquiorra seems to have been all forgotten about, what about when he gets out? And of course there are the Arrancar above him. They have to rescue Rukia (she's dying, remember?), find Chad, and get Ishida and Renji out of their situation before they can escape. I don't see there being time to deal with all these guys--after Grimmjow Ichigo has Orihime, he needs to just gather his allies and escape so they can regroup to beatdown Aizen's forces later on down the line.

[laactor101]

I guess it was an great chapter it was really intense in about the last few pages and finally it will all end in the next chapter the fight I mean then He'll have to rescue everyone else before Ulquiorra comes out of nowhere and begins to fight them.

[FireStarterLE]

I don't know, Ichigo's ready to beat Aizen right now...:sweat:

Or, at least, he says he's gonna do it before rescuing Orihime.

Where is Kubo going with this?!

I'm going to guess they rescue Orihime and get the heck out of there and regroup back in "living land" and get read for the next attack.

And if they can take a few out or injure some on Aizen's side in the process while rescuing Orihime, that was just extra and not an intended result.

[Kyuss]

I'm holding out for the winter war to say completely if he's lost his touch.

Winter wars are long bloody affairs. Hardly worth watching in my book.

[Swag Jenkins]

I'm holding out for the winter war to say completely if he's lost his touch.

Is that the new upcoming arc in Bleach?

[Captain Highwind]

I wouldn't say 'upcoming' exactly...:sweat:

But yes.

[Havok]

Grimmjow's not going to die. He's one of those change of heart types that become useful to the heroes at some point unexpected.


That, and Kubo Tite is a big wuss when it comes to killing characters.

[Lighthammer]

I'm going to guess they rescue Orihime and get the heck out of there and regroup back in "living land" and get read for the next attack.

And if they can take a few out or injure some on Aizen's side in the process while rescuing Orihime, that was just extra and not an intended result.

Considering that Tite rarely does what you'd expect, I would expect him NOT to make it quiet that easy since thats what one would expect to happen.

That said, if they are actually going to try to go after Aizen, that would be madness.

[Sparticus]

Hmmmm... Isshin would be proud; although Hueco Mundo is not the beach, it does has sand, and Ichigo has shouted many Manly Things (so's Grimmjow for that matter).

I hope this fight is over soon. I like a good fight but this is reeeaaally getting drawn out. :P

Also... I'd like the Colorful Bleach tank... but I'd also like the rain of chibis... hmmmmm.

[Captain Highwind]

Hmmmm... Isshin would be proud; although Hueco Mundo is not the beach, it does has sand, and Ichigo has shouted many Manly Things (so's Grimmjow for that matter).

LMAO. Reference to the best filler moment of this season.

[Sparticus]

LMAO. Reference to the best filler moment of this season.

Heehee! :D Why couldn't the filler be about Isshin doing Isshin type things? Whyyyyy?

Oh yeah, it'd turn into Gintama.

...

Wait, that'd be cool. WHYYYYYY!?!?!?!?!?!?

[rubberchicken]

The series doubled in quality once the Ichigo/Grimmjaw fight ended.

Then another Espada showed up.

[FlyByNite77]

The series doubled in quality once the Ichigo/Grimmjaw fight ended.

Then another Espada showed up.

Easy way to progress to make me happy. Orihime asks Ichigo if he really meant it about wanting her to go back with them and coming all this way, then she uses some suped up power to throw a shield around Noitora and instead of healing him it unheals him and turns him into nothing ;)


C'mon. Uber up Orihime :p

[Captain Highwind]

Then another Espada showed up.

But it's one that's been introduced already. Ichigo just has to pick him off now.

[FireStarterLE]

something tells me Grimmjaw isn't out yet, may be down and hurt but he's not done

... wouldn't it be kinda funny if Nell went up against Noitora, and tossed him around like a rag doll?

[FlyByNite77]

something tells me Grimmjaw isn't out yet, may be down and hurt but he's not done

... wouldn't it be kinda funny if Nell went up against Noitora, and tossed him around like a rag doll?

lol Nel and her two 'brothers' are the top 3 espada? :D

Maybe that scar on her head is covering up her 1...

[laactor101]

oh great another fight hurray:sad:

[Rocketboy]

oh great another fight hurray:sad:

Welcome to shonen!

[Malex]

Five bucks on Ichigo running away with Orihime and Nell before Noitora introduces himself as the Primera Espada.

[Captain Highwind]

You know what, I'll take it.

[Sparticus]

XD Nell FTW!!!

Maaaan, I hope there isn't another fight so soon. WE NEEDS PLOT DEVELOPMENT!!!!!! *flails*

[kidx]

At some point Im expecting someone like Yoruichi to step in and take Ichigo back while everyone else is being held prisoner there and telling him to get more intouch with Zangetsu that way for sure he will be able to defeat Aizen and all the remaining Arrancanar.

[beren]

Hey is Ichigo flying, if so when did he learn to do that?

[Malex]

It's not flying per se but rather lifting himself by using spirit particles on his feet. He has been doing this since he achieved Bankai.

[Baseball]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but hasn't Ichigo been able to float since he first gained soul reaper powers? When Orihime's brother knocked him out of a window during their fight, I'm pretty sure Ichigo stood up on air for awhile then.

[Sparticus]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but hasn't Ichigo been able to float since he first gained soul reaper powers? When Orihime's brother knocked him out of a window during their fight, I'm pretty sure Ichigo stood up on air for awhile then.

Yeah, he did it by accident then. He didn't start conciously using it untill bankai though.

[beren]

OMG WHERE IS CHAPTER <X>!?!one!!11!!

[Malex]

There is no Jump this week so no new chapter. We may be getting a double chapter next week.

[Mr. Obsession]

Sadly not a double chapter, especially with it ending as Aporro releases. Something to look forward to next week, provided he's not interrupted. (marked for safty)

Also, I laughed so hard when Noitora revealed his rank. So many fan theories blown. :D

[FireStarterLE]

well since the chapter is officially out and the thread title is marked with "Spoilers" ...... i'm not using a spoiler box

Ichy may have a problem fighting Noitora after having just fought with "Kitty" but thanks to that fight he was able to keep his hollow-mask on longer than he has been before. So I'm thinking if he can get healed somehow, he might can tear through Noitora since his power went up after his previous fight.

The above would be cool and all, but I think the fight being stopped midway is probably more likely than what I'd really like to happen, seeing as how this trip was more to rescue Ori. rather than take out a large quantity of Espada

[Malex]

Well, I owe Mr. Highwind 5 dollars. Ichigo is not running away and Noitora is the Quinto Espada. I really hate this arc now since the lower half of the Espada are becoming release happy.

Release => Imminent Defeat => Death => Room for more Vasto Lorde Espada => No end to this Aizen Madness

[Sparticus]

Gaaaaaaaaaah!!!! Plot, where did the plot goooo!?

I bet Ulquorria killed it, just to spite us. X|

[Scirel]

Following tradtion, the Old guy is probably the Primera espada much like Genryusai(sp?) is the #1 captain.
All we need to know now are #'s 1,2,3 and strangely, 7. It looks like #8 will be taken care of by Uryu/Renji now, and to defeat Noitora, Ichigo will unlock a new ability, and Grimmjow will dissapear for now after being healed by Orihime/Nell, and come back as a good guy later.

[Malex]

That whole Grimmjow assessment sounds like something out of the Soul Society Arc. Hueco Mundo is becoming another Soul Society. The group get some local friends, beat a guardian, split up in the enemy's lair, and first fight low levels. Ichigo gets a rematch, meets up with his damsel and Mr. Jerk, and gets stuck in a fight against an opponent who likes to fight while Ishida fights the mad scientist. If three Espada betray Aizen and leave to do something nasty, then I will punch a large rock and post the video with me writhing with pain on YouTube as a testament for being foolish to continue reading this manga.

[Kyuss]

Malex,

How about I spare you the trouble and just have you smash your hand with a hammer? Better yet, just swear allegiance to me and I can promise you Tite Kubo's head on a silver platter?

[kidx]

Malex,

How about I spare you the trouble and just have you smash your hand with a hammer? Better yet, just swear allegiance to me and I can promise you Tite Kubo's head on a silver platter?

Will there be cookies and Bleach Cosplay characters joining as well then I shall swear my allegiance to you my lord.

[Kyuss]

Well I might have cookies. They might be filled with worms but they are still cookie-like.

[Malex]

Uhhh...thanks for the offer, but I'll decline. Kubo can redeem Bleach.

[Kyuss]

Bah redemption is over-rated. Vengeance, my good Malex, that's eternal.

[Captain Highwind]

Chapter 287

Wow. I guess Grimmjow = Franky now.

And I suppose it's about time Renji and Uryu finish up with Aporro, now that he's done changing. :shrug:

I find it funny how Uryu is the only character in this series to read the fans' minds. Yeah, maybe they should grab Rukia, Orihime, Chad and just get out of there...what a concept.

[Kyuss]

Probably because Uryu is the only one of that group with any sense of battle tactics.

[Swag Jenkins]

That whole Grimmjow assessment sounds like something out of the Soul Society Arc. Hueco Mundo is becoming another Soul Society. The group get some local friends, beat a guardian, split up in the enemy's lair, and first fight low levels. Ichigo gets a rematch, meets up with his damsel and Mr. Jerk, and gets stuck in a fight against an opponent who likes to fight while Ishida fights the mad scientist. If three Espada betray Aizen and leave to do something nasty, then I will punch a large rock and post the video with me writhing with pain on YouTube as a testament for being foolish to continue reading this manga.

...and you will continue to read just to see where the plot is going next.

[GWOtaku]

Eh, I'm not as pessemistic as some of you are. I mean I could take that and say Yu Yu Hakusho is always the same and pointless. Dark Tournament? Chapter Black? Its just round after round of fighting, I've been cheated! DBZ sucks, there's always tons of training before the big fight and Goku is strongest! Resurrecting people with Dragon Balls is a cop-out!

Point being: Yeah, welcome to shonen manga.

It is feeling a bit long though...of all times, this isn't when I want to go back to the Aporro fight. I'd also like them to get out of there soon and not fight through several more battles. Ichigo can't stick around to fight Noitora AND Ulquiorra. Aizen isn't going to go down in this arc. After these current rounds of fighting we should head toward a conclusion & escape and have our heroes live to fight the top 4 Espada another day.

[Malex]

...and you will continue to read just to see where the plot is going next.

No, I will stop reading the manga if it goes in that direction. I don't mind shounen staples, but a repeat of previous arc in the same manga is wrong. Dragonball, at least, spiced it up in every arc until the end of Cell. Kubo is either planning something big or is stuck in a corner.

[Kyuss]

If he's stuck in a corner, I suggest a nice beheading. After all, that would be a surprise ending for many of us.

Well except me, of course.

GW,

I'm always pessimistic. I'm made of freaking giant worms. How much more screwed up can my eternal life get?

[Rocketboy]

288

Oh God, Szyael's sword is disgusting.

[Havok]

That release is VERY suspect.

[Malex]

Szayel did that for the heck of it. Did any other Arrancar swallow their sword to release?

[Mr. Obsession]

So… Szayel transforms into a tentacle monster by forcing a sword whose name refers to the act of fornicating down his throat…

...

Moving on to something less disturbing. Am I the only one who finds Noitora’s explanations hypocritical? He refused to kill off Chad because it wouldn’t further his goal of proving he is the strongest Espada. Yet he purposely watched Igchigo’s fight with Grimmjow from the distance and waited to attack after Ichigo was warn out, then proceeds to lecture Inoue about that “just being the nature of battle.”

[GWOtaku]

I suppose the best explanation is the old shonen rule that its taboo to ever interfere in someone else's fight. But you're right, its an obvious contradiction and I don't see how this fight would give him any bragging rights. Its like beating up Superman with Kryptonite in your hand and then claiming you're the strongest ever.

Not that it matters, because Szayel needs to die as soon as possible and probably will so I'm not going to waste time analyzing a dumb freak who's probably dead within 5 chapters.

[Captain Highwind]

288

Yeah, Aporro has to be the worst character ever. Really not looking forward to seeing this chapter animated. :\

I guess Nell's going to end up fighting Nnoitra, what with that foreshadowing at the end.

Next week: A fight to the death, with color pages! :anime:

[rubberchicken]

Argh.

Why do I suspect that you're right about Nell saving the day, and Orihime will just continue to sit around and be useless?

Which one's Aporro again?

[Malex]

Which one's Aporro again?

The Octava Espada who plays as a flamboyant Mayuri with an army of Arrancar under his command just for health replenishing by eating them. Renji and Ishida were fighting him before Ichigo and Grimmjow had their bout.

[rubberchicken]

The Octava Espada who plays as a flamboyant Mayuri with an army of Arrancar under his command just for health replenishing by eating them. Renji and Ishida were fighting him before Ichigo and Grimmjow had their bout.
Wait, then which one is Szayel?

[Rocketboy]

The Octava Espada who plays as a flamboyant Mayuri with an army of Arrancar under his command just for health replenishing by eating them. Renji and Ishida were fighting him before Ichigo and Grimmjow had their bout.

(Sorry for copying your post Malex.)

[Malex]

Wait, then which one is Szayel?

His full name is Szayel Aporro Grantz. His first name is Szayel Aporro. People prefer either part of his name rather than the whole thing. I'm still getting use to Nnoitra.

[laactor101]

Well it looks like they should have gone the other way in order to avoid
Szayel Aporro!!!:lol:

[kidx]

This could be very interesting with the whole Noitora thing and Grantz battles.

[Rocketboy]

Noitora: Hey everyone! Nell's a former Espada! Look!

[Mr. Obsession]

Assuming its true, does that make Nell Hueco Mundo’s Yoruichi? Because that’s the only plausible explanation I can come up with.

[Kaiser0120]

And it's true! Nell is a former Espada!

...

What? Well, I guess... I guess it's not so bad... *Waits for more people to compare this to the Soul Society arc. -.-;*

[FlyByNite77]

lol I was joking a few weeks back when I said Nell was the uno espada and the scar covered up the one, but it might not be too far off if she was the former uno espada since Grimmjaw got that scar when he was removed from being 6.

Nell's scar isn't that big so I don't think it could cover up any number except a 1 or maybe a 7, but 7 wouldn't make much sense being even a lower rank then Grimmjaw and since Noitera is a 5.

That is of course that the scar really is the number and it wasn't somewhere else in which it could have been something other then 1...

[Rocketboy]

Oh God, Nell is so hawt now.

[Don_East]

Oh God, Nell is so hawt now.
How much longer until she trains Ichigo for three to become more powerful?

[Rocketboy]

Most likely after he finally gets over his fear of female body parts.

[laactor101]

:lol:
Most likely after he finally gets over his fear of female body parts.

[Scirel]

Oh God, Nell is so hawt now.


QFT.

She reminds me of: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v338/silverhawk79/Fire%20Emblem/c07_02.jpg

From FE10. Even the pose.

[kidx]

What are yall talking about its not even out yet...or is it???

[FlyByNite77]

daaamn now I know what you guys were talking about. Nell is stacked and those dark lines under her eyes make her look like she's going to be in the lingere bowl or something lol.

[Kyuss]

Fly,

Indeed Nel's transformation has given her...something we've not seen in other Arrancar before. Only time will tell how significant this change will be.

[Captain Highwind]

At least Nell has a role in this now. Hope she got rid of that stupid lisp.

She looks like Matsumoto with a mask. :anime:

[Kyuss]

Remind me who that is Highwind...

[Captain Highwind]

Remind me who that is Highwind...

Red-haired Shinigami that rivals Orihime in lung capacity.

[Kyuss]

Ah Rangiku! I admit, I tend to forget shinigamis last name. I'm more inclined to remember their first names (such as Momo or Tōshirō).

But I can see the resemblance...slightly.

[Captain Highwind]

For the first time in a while I am very much looking forward to this fight.

Ichigo and Nell--tag team! :anime:

[Kyuss]

Highwind,

It has the distinct appeal of being equal if nothing else.

[laactor101]

Boy Neil is about kick some ass and kinda of looking good I might say so myself(Damn Fanboy fantasies!)

[Kyuss]

laactor101,

One might thing you're just going through a phase. Part of me hopes that is the case.

[Malex]

So, can we have a powerful female in Bleach without a huge rack? I mean, jeez, little Nel is a Yoruichi.

[Kurokawa41]

So, can we have a powerful female in Bleach without a huge rack? I mean, jeez, little Nel is a Yoruichi.

Taitou-san is too much of a pervert... xD Read ZOMBIEPOWDER and find one female protagonist without large breasts.

[FlyByNite77]

So, can we have a powerful female in Bleach without a huge rack? I mean, jeez, little Nel is a Yoruichi.

Rukia's pretty flaa...

oh...right...powerful :p

[Malex]

If boobs were reiastu, then Urahara should be training that slightly tanned girl with the short hair instead of Tatsuki.

[Kyuss]

Chances of that occurring are about as likely as seeing Driz'zt Do'Urden not dual wield his signature weapons and kill many, many bad guys.

Regardless I accept that large breasted women will be apparent in Bleach as opposed to shapely and athletic women.

Malex,

Perhaps he's just biding his time...

[Mr. Obsession]

So, Nnoitra sucker punched Nel and took her position in the Espada? I'm liking him less and less with each chapter he's in. Based on what was impled from Nnoitra's dialog I have to wonder if Nel was one of Aizen's hogyoku'd arrancar, and if Nnoitra was her fraccion when she was in the Espada.

Also, ouch at Ichigo's arm. :(

[Kyuss]

Nnorita is indeed typical of the breed, a sniveling coward that only attacks when his opponents backs are turned.

[laactor101]

:lol:
If boobs were reiastu, then Urahara should be training that slightly tanned girl with the short hair instead of Tatsuki.

[Captain Highwind]

If boobs were reiastu, then Urahara should be training that slightly tanned girl with the short hair instead of Tatsuki.

Oh yeah, I forgot about that plotpoint.

But who's the 'slightly tanned girl with short hair?' Or are you talking about those Hollow girls introduced several chapters ago? I forgot what they looked like. :sweat:

[Kaiser0120]

How is Nell going to be able to move without showing off her... you know... ? Somebody needs to get that girl some clothes.

*Waits for the barrage of fanboys arguing again my statement.*

[Kyuss]

Highwind,

I believe it's the one that's the High school track star. I could be mistaken but I thought she was rather...gifted in that area.

Kaiser,

She'll probably create some kind of dust storm. That will increase her chance of not getting hit and decrease the chance of this manga turning into henati territory.

[Mr. Obsession]

How is Nell going to be able to move without showing off her... you know... ?I’d wager the same gravity defying power that Halibel’s been using this whole time.

Sir Isaac Newton be damned!

[Kyuss]

Obsession,

It's entirely probable.

[Captain Highwind]

I’d wager the same gravity defying power that Halibel’s been using this whole time.

Sir Isaac Newton be damned!

Gravity's nonexistant in Soul Society in Hueco Mundo. Otherwise alot of people would have bad backs... >.>

[Kyuss]

It's a wonder they don't float off the ground then.

[FlyByNite77]

If boobs were reiastu, then Urahara should be training that slightly tanned girl with the short hair instead of Tatsuki.

God so long since we had Bleach HS life... :( but is she the one who would have her blouse unbuttoned quite a bit when Rukia would be with a buncha the girls on the lawn a couple times in the series? I remember that girl being pretty stacked and until Matsumoto showed up in the school there wasn't a girl busting out of a too small shirt as much as she did.

[Malex]

God so long since we had Bleach HS life... :( but is she the one who would have her blouse unbuttoned quite a bit when Rukia would be with a buncha the girls on the lawn a couple times in the series? I remember that girl being pretty stacked and until Matsumoto showed up in the school there wasn't a girl busting out of a too small shirt as much as she did.

DING DING! We have a winner! That's the girl I am talking about.

[Kyuss]

Still waiting to see what effect this transformation will have on Nel's status, in terms of her skills and abilities.

[Sparticus]

I hope that Nel angry, and Nel SMASH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! XD Then reverts back to her adorable self, thus thuroughly breaking Ichigo's brain. ^-^

[Kyuss]

Not like Ichigo has much to decimate.

[Funkatron]

And I'm caught up with Bleach as well.

Not sure why Kuwa keeps saying this part sucks. Yeah, there are places where this mirrors the whole SS arc. But I'm satisfied. I do find the ubre powerfulness of the arrancar daunting. But Kubo tends to pull out some nice twists, so lets hope he delivers.

Nel, Nel, Nel. It doesn't help that I sorta spoiled myself on her while reading the story. She is a mysterious one. Wonder how she'll come into play power wise. Will she stay loyal to ichigo? Go back to Aizen? Say "to hell" to both sides? I also want to see how Ishida and Renji get out of their predicament with the Arrancar version of Mayura.

I find it so ever ironic that the first Espeda was defeated by none other than Rukia.

[Kyuss]

Well I think it's a nice change from having Ichigo kill them all.

[Mr. Obsession]

Still waiting to see what effect this transformation will have on Nel's status, in terms of her skills and abilities.Considering Nnoitra probably had to perform a backstabbing sneak attack to defeat Nel in the first place, I'd wager in her "adult" form Nel is at least powerful enough to fight him to a draw.

[Kyuss]

Obssession,

*chuckles* You said backstab and sneak attack in the same sentence. In any case I do believe you are correct that since it was the case that Nnoitra had to waylay Nel from behind/via surprise attack, she must have been fairly potent.

[Rocketboy]

291

Ichigo is still afraid of girls, and Nell is freaking hawt. Also, something about her being 3rd and kicking the ass of Noitora.

[Mr. Obsession]

Wow, that's just crazy. Nel was third and when Nnoitra was promoted to Espada status he was only made fifth. No wonder he has a chip on his shoulder.

[FlyByNite77]

Ooh Nel is the former 3rd espada? Damn... She may be stronger then Ulquiorra... ;)

[Captain Highwind]

Ooh Nel is the former 3rd espada? Damn... She may be stronger then Ulquiorra... ;)

God I hope so.

But if I know my overpowered side characters in manga (Yoruichi, Seijuro Hiko from Rurouni Kenshin), somehow the main character still has to beat the opposition alone.

Overpowered characters are reduced to teachers, usually getting only one fight, which they own righteously of course.

[FlyByNite77]

Wow 291... Nel kicks ass
I think she might actually still be the current 3rd Espada. She has the 3 on her back still, but it could be that she just couldn't be found in Little-Nel form to have it removed so I guess there could be another one named 3rd.

She thanks Ichigo for protecting her in her little form and then proceeds to own Noitara. Daamn.