Bleach 195. Current manga discussion. *MAJOR SPOILERS!*

[Captain Highwind]

Look at the bright side. He isn't going "Kurosaki-kun" while standing around.

Not yet anyway...Ichigo just got there.

[ShadowGUN]

This week chapter: Ichigo vs Aizen Round 2

- Ichigo take a swing at Aizen, only for Aizen to avoid it.
- Not even with his Hollow mask on, Ichigo can't defeat Aizen.
- Aizen tries to provoc Ichigo. Komamura tell him not to fall for it.
- Hitsugaya, Hirako, Oomaeda, Soi Fon, Lisa, Komamura, Rose and Kyouraku tell ichigo they will protect him. Chapter ends.

[Beat]

How utterly predictable.

Hitsyugua- You are not ready Ichigo! Kubo has no idea when to end this arc!

Ichigo- But...

Soi Fon- Go! We're the popular characters! You go wangst in a corner while Kubo thinks of a dues ex machina.

Ichigo- But that could take years!

Hitsyuga- And I'll still be way more popular than you in the polls. Now get out of here and let us take the spotlight!

Aizen- Nyah nyah nyah nyah! I'm not going anywhere! Even if I'm killed I probably won't die!

Ichigo- Why can't people just die when they're killed?

Kenpachi- Because then I'd be dead.

[GWOtaku]

Hey, you know who's missing from that impressive group? Yamamoto.

Look, I'm sorry, but the old man sucks. He just does. Do something, you stupid old coot!

Anyhow, it seems clear that Ichigo's being set up to take advantage of the old power of rage law. Aizen is Cell, Ichigo is Gohan and the Captains and the Vaizards are the friends, albeit ones with enough ability to have more in common with Trunks and Piccolo than Tien and Yamcha. Hirako can be Goku.

[garfield15]

Look, I'm sorry, but the old man sucks. He just does. Do something, you stupid old coot!We've been saying this for years. :p

[Captain Highwind]

3 weeks...3 weeks and all Ichigo does is take one swing.

Rage quit!

[Jacob T. Paschal]

Ah, but the swing was probably a two-page spread full body shot with nothing but the two characters and no background with a real big close-up on Ichigo so as to get the most black ink on the page!!

I kid, I kid...

[Rud]

Come on guys, this arc wont end for 6 months (according to Kubo himself), Ichigo cant go having the big match against Aizen just yet.

[mumbo]

Ah, but the swing was probably a two-page spread full body shot with nothing but the two characters and no background with a real big close-up on Ichigo so as to get the most black ink on the page!!

I kid, I kid...
The thing is, you're pretty much right...

Well, it's only about three quarters of a two page spread.

[Grave]

From what I gathered from looking at the pics, I think the chapter actually might be pretty decent. Hopefully answers will be revealed about Ichigo's hollow transformation, at least pictures are pointing in that direction, like Aizen is talking about it or something.

[Jacob T. Paschal]

That is quite an epic final splash for the chapter. The battle has yet to end, so I wonder what Ichigo is going to do if he doesn't find Aizen quite yet...

[Rud]

Huh, just read the chapter, what have we learned....... well, Aizen is the most powerful person ever and nobody stands a chance (especially Ichigo, Aizen can beat him barehanded apparently), we already knew that, but its nice of Kubo to remind us.

[Zach Logan]

I sincerely hope this series is coming to a close soon, it both seems like it's ending and very badly needs to end.

[Jacob T. Paschal]

I sincerely hope this series is coming to a close soon, it both seems like it's ending and very badly needs to end.

Just a couple more years!!


I suspect none of these pacing issues will be very bad once one reads the entire series in one go via the tankôbans...

[Lelouch]

Doubtful. There are at least two more arcs left. One mini and another large, so I expect this to be around for the next four years at least.

As for the chapter...

It wasn't really all that bad, just a bit lackluster after a two week wait. I really hope Ichigo goes insane again, if only because I want to see the reactions.

[Rud]

I sincerely hope this series is coming to a close soon, it both seems like it's ending and very badly needs to end.
Too bad, because this arc ends in six months, and according to Kubo theres still 2 arcs to go.

Also, were only on the second arc right now (which started at end of the SS arc), so since this current one took a few years to finish 6 months from now, i say we still have MANY years to go.

[Zach Logan]

Doubtful. There are at least two more arcs left. One mini and another large, so I expect this to be around for the next four years at least.

As for the chapter...

It wasn't really all that bad, just a bit lackluster after a two week wait. I really hope Ichigo goes insane again, if only because I want to see the reactions.


Too bad, because this arc ends in six months, and according to Kubo theres still 2 arcs to go.

Also, were only on the second arc right now (which started at end of the SS arc), so since this current one took a few years to finish 6 months from now, i say we still have MANY years to go.

I quit.

[Jacob T. Paschal]

I quit.

You've been quit. There's no declaring you just now quit, because you didn't!! Slanderous, I tell you...

[Soul]

I quit.
I'm glad I already did....

Kubo's become Rumiko Takahashi...

[MrScottyBear]

Nah. Kubo's not super sexist against Men and Aizen's hasn't almost died a dozen times yet.

[Soul]

Point is he's dragging it on way way too long.

[Zach Logan]

Nah. Kubo's not super sexist against Men and Aizen's hasn't almost died a dozen times yet.
Well where Kubo lacks in that he makes up for in reused plots and ignorance about where he's gone and where he's going.

[Soul]

Well where Kubo lacks in that he makes up for in reused plots and ignorance about where he's gone and where he's going.
Thank you Zach.
Heck, a lot of people I know were big Bleach fans but for the fact that Hueco Mundo was just reusing the the Soul Society arc? People got bored with it, and yeah the fact Kubo has said the series is gonna continue?
Psh. The guy needs to learn that sure he's got some cool characters and a great villain but the fact he can't just wrap everything up and a lot quicker?
He fails.

[Rud]

I for the record still enjoy reading bleach (and more importantly still like talking about bleach, which is the best thing about the big 3 actually) and will follow it till the end.

[mumbo]

Thank you Zach.
Heck, a lot of people I know were big Bleach fans but for the fact that Hueco Mundo was just reusing the the Soul Society arc? People got bored with it, and yeah the fact Kubo has said the series is gonna continue?
Psh. The guy needs to learn that sure he's got some cool characters and a great villain but the fact he can't just wrap everything up and a lot quicker?
He fails.
Well, what's most discouraging is the sum of the manga's plot for literally the past three years has been A beats B, C beats D, E beats F, etc., etc., without maybe a sum total of about five chapters of plot that doesn't consist of a fight.

But what's most discouraging of all is that Kubo himself said he didn't know how he was going to end the current arc. An arc that's been going on for YEARS. With NO SET GOAL IN MIND. That's...that's horrifying.

I've been thinking about it. Since this saga ends in June, I'll stick with the series until then. I'll see if the next mini arc interests, and if not, then I think I'm done.

[Grave]

I don't know, after reading the chapter I thought it was pretty good. Nothing exciting, and no answers, but I was still pleased with it.

As for all this other stuff, I stopped trying to pay attention to the plot a long time ago.

[Beat]

Yeah, Kubo might end this in 2020 at the rate we're going.

"Um, and then, Chuck Norris and Aizen fight, and the sheer awesomness kills Ichigo! And then...erm..."

"You have no idea where this is going, do you?"

"*sniff* I wanted to finish Zombie Powder!"

[garfield15]

I'm glad I already did....

Kubo's become Rumiko Takahashi...
Not yet. He's close but at least I can't say "You can take out nearly half of this manga and still get the same end result"

[macattack]

Not yet. He's close but at least I can't say "You can take out nearly half of this manga and still get the same end result"

You can take out nearly one third of the manga though and get the same result.

[GWOtaku]

So long as Aizen dies in THIS arc, I'm happy. If Kubo punts though, well, my patience certainly isn't endless.

[Captain Highwind]

http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s97/Mr_Highwind/bleach/hello.jpg

You had me at hello yaoi wut?

What is it with Espadas and bad touches?

At least the titles are cool again. EXTREEEEME BATTLE MASTERS!!!

[ShadowGUN]

LOL Here I thought I was only one who saw that scene in a very yaoi way :D. I was bit disapointed by chapter. Could have use more action and less making Ichigo look like a wimp.

[Lelouch]

Yeah, I did too actually. Also, I think it'd be awesome if it gets to a point where Ichigo has part of his mask on at all times...like the arrancar.

[Fool's Gil]

Hey, you know who's missing from that impressive group? Yamamoto.

Look, I'm sorry, but the old man sucks. He just does. Do something, you stupid old coot!

My thoughts exactly. Kubo fudged up adding him in this arc and is trying to make us forget he's around. But if that runkachunk Omaeda got a spot on the final page, Yamamoto should have as well.

[garfield15]

http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s97/Mr_Highwind/bleach/hello.jpg

You had me at hello yaoi wut?

Thank you for making me laugh way too loud in a library. :p

[Nel]

One part of me is glad that Ichigo isn't suddenly, out-of-nowhere able to take on Aizen. Another part of me is disappointed that it was basically another "Aizen cannot be matched" chapter. Hmm...

[Jacob T. Paschal]

The Captain's will likely be felled by Aizen in a few chapters, leading Ichigo to erupt into Berserker mode (is that the official name of the form in which Ulq was defeated?), duke it out with Aizen, and be utterly defeated because he wasn't in control, or he gains control during the middle of the fight and awakens into a new form, in which his control allows him to finish Aizen off for good.


Predictable? Sure, but that's life...

[Rud]

The Captain's will likely be felled by Aizen in a few chapters, leading Ichigo to erupt into Berserker mode (is that the official name of the form in which Ulq was defeated?)There is no official name, but in most places i go to everyone calls that form "Scarmask" (from what i have seen), after the title page of a chapter which foreshadowed the transformation long ago as seen here:
http://i536.photobucket.com/albums/ff330/Kylara21/ichihimefail/c289scarmask.jpg

[Mr. Obsession]

Read the chapter and two things stuck out at me.

First, Ichigo's afraid of his hollow form. And his eyes didn't change when he pulled out his mask, so he's probably no stronger with it then when he tried to attack Aizen without it.

Second, not only is Aizen still stronger than Ichigo, but he's been prepared this whole time for someone to try backstabbing him. Tosen should have been taking notes. :p

I think we're pretty much overdue for a inner world conversation shortly since it's pretty obvious that the only thing that can kill Aizen at this point (short of maybe Old Man Yamamoto waking up and actually doing something) would be Ichigo's hollow form.


Hey, you know who's missing from that impressive group? Yamamoto.
Seriously. Yamamoto's supposed to be the strongest shinigami on the scene, one of the few people in the series who can probably actually give Aizen a run for his money and all the old man's done so far is temporarily inconvenience Aizen with the firewall and kill the chimera that was treating the lieutenants like cannon fodder.

[Jacob T. Paschal]

That's a nice theory about Ichigo's power, actually.

Speaking of an inner meeting, when the heck was the last time we saw ol' Zangetsu?

[ShadowGUN]

The Captain's will likely be felled by Aizen in a few chapters, leading Ichigo to erupt into Berserker mode (is that the official name of the form in which Ulq was defeated?)

You mean Ichigo's Resurreccion. He probably go into that after he has a talk with White Ichigo/Zangetsu. Hopefully that talk will be soon.

[Rud]

You mean Ichigo's Resurreccion. He probably go into that after he has a talk with White Ichigo/Zangetsu. Hopefully that talk will be soon.
That has yet to be confirmed or denied, its only speculation, besides, when Tousen used his resurrection his sword disappeared (like an arrancars would when they resurrect), Ichigo's sword did not when he went into his new form, so likely its not a resurrection.

[Malex]

That has yet to be confirmed or denied, its only speculation, besides, when Tousen used his resurrection his sword disappeared (like an arrancars would when they resurrect), Ichigo's sword did not when he went into his new form, so likely its not a resurrection.

Nnoitra, Ulquiorra, Harribel, Barragan, and Starrk all had a weapon of some sort when in the resurrección state. Also, Ichigo has been the exception to a lot of rules in Bleach so retaining his bankai's sword cannot really be used against the resurrección theory.

[Rud]

Nnoitra, Ulquiorra, Harribel, Barragan, and Starrk all had a weapon of some sort when in the resurrección state. Also, Ichigo has been the exception to a lot of rules in Bleach so retaining his bankai's sword cannot really be used against the resurrección theory.

Those guys had A WEAPON (which came with their ressurections), not the Zanpakuto they ressurected with (those things disappeared). When Tousen resurrected his Zanpakuto vanished so it comes to reason that his resurrection comes from his Zanpakuto just like the arrancar's resurrections do, for Ichigo it should be no different.

Ichigo still had his Zanpakuto, so this new form did not come from it (like a resurrection does), so its not a resurrection.

[Malex]

Like I said, Ichigo tends to be the exception in these situations. His Shikai does not revert back to a normal blade, his Bankai is not this huge manifestation of his Zanpaktou, and his Hollow mask gradually changes in design. It's not too much of a stretch to believe that he can have his bankai blade in his possible Resurrección.

Plus, Barragan's Zanpaktou was an axe, and his Resurrección weapon was still an axe albeit with design differences.

[Rud]

Like I said, Ichigo tends to be the exception in these situations. His Shikai does not revert back to a normal blade, his Bankai is not this huge manifestation of his Zanpaktou, and his Hollow mask gradually changes in design. It's not too much of a stretch to believe that he can have his bankai blade in his possible Resurrección.
Kenpachi shikai also does not revert to a normal blade, thats not unique to Ichigo (ken just doesnt know its name). Ichigo's bankai is a manifestation of his Zanpakuto, hes basically wearing Zangetsu seeing as how hes dressed just like him in Bankai (the same way that Renji's clothes change in his bankai), all he needs is the shades.

A Resurrection form is sealed within the Zanpakuto of the user, if Ichigo still has Zapakuto, then nothing was every unsealed or released from it.

Plus, Barragan's Zanpaktou was an axe, and his Resurrección weapon was still an axe albeit with design differences.Thats because its a different axe.

[Lelouch]

As an aside, I'll just note that Aizen had some awesome commentary during this chapter. I especially liked the "I'll show you just how conceited that thinking is," line. I hope Gin just takes a large swing at everyone.

[Rud]

I hope Gin just takes a large swing at everyone.The way they are all just lined up like that its like their asking or it, they know what his ability is.

[Lelouch]

Well...since I'm awake. I'd like to take this time to discuss the future of Bleach...

At this point I just wonder what exactly Aizen is going to against all of SS. Yes, he is really powerful. Yes, his zanpakuto is major haxx, but I just find it hard to believe he is so calm without something more planned. Yes, we all know that Ichigo will come out the victor, that is inevitable. Still, I would like to see Aizen do some damage to SS. Really, 1 or 2 Captain's need to die this time around. I am leaning towards Yamamoto being one, and perhaps Ukitake being the other. Hell, maybe Kubo will get ambitious and kill off a third. But I won't hold my breath.

I'm assuming Aizen has VL lined up. I hope that Starrk wasn't a VL, because if he was then that is just sad. Now, I DO believe Starrk, and Hallibel, are still alive, but even then they didn't show great strength.

Oh, and there is some wide speculation that one of the bodies in Syazel's lab is Yoruichi. I'm not sure if I believe it, but we do know that the bodies have to be characters that we are already familiar with. Otherwise the reactions on Renji and Ishida's face are just random.

Anyways, going back to Aizen. When this is all said and done I am really thinking that SS will be out to get Ichigo. As we have seen in the past, they don't take too kindly to things that are different than Shinigami's. Now, they seemed to get past this with Ichigo...but what about when they see his new form? Hopefully he goes beserk again before he has control. This is definitely not going to sit well with everyone. IF Yamamoto survives this, then it's all but certain Ichigo will be targetted by SS.

Speaking of Ichigo's hollow side...I would absolutely love for Hichigo to taunt Aizen back. He is perhaps the only character I consider badass enough to do it.

So erm, this is a very random post. I jump from point to point, but ah well.

I also wonder if SS will eventually just try and dispose of Ichigo and all of his friends. Orihime's powers are far too dangerous left in the wrong hands...and eventually Chad will be pretty powerful. It can be assumed that his power will eventually extend to the rest of his body, or at least I hope it does. When that happens, Chad will be deadly. Ishida...well, sooner or later he will be a threat again. Maybe...

*cough* Yeah. Just spewing thoughts.

[Rud]

I also wonder if SS will eventually just try and dispose of Ichigo and all of his friends. Orihime's powers are far too dangerous left in the wrong hands...and eventually Chad will be pretty powerful. It can be assumed that his power will eventually extend to the rest of his body, or at least I hope it does. When that happens, Chad will be deadly. Ishida...well, sooner or later he will be a threat again. Maybe...
I had similar thoughts, we heard about squad 0 and the king during the pendulum flashback. I had a feeling that after all this Aizen crap was over the king of SS would show up and go like "The shinigami living in exile in the human world (Urahara, Tessai & Yuruichi), the hollow hybrids (Vaizards + Ichigo) and Chad (hollow like powers) have to be eliminated". Yamamoto being so "Follow the law" will not object, everyone else probably will though, but Squad 0 will be the one execute the mission (its made up completely of Captains).

Anyway, this would happen after the mini arc with Isshin thats coming up after June is over.

[Lelouch]

I actually wonder if the 0 squad will be introduced this arc. I really hope they aren't...

Pretty much it would just be Aizen bringing out the VLs and then SS just bringing out the 0 squad. That would be lame.

I could actually see the scenario you bring up, and I wouldn't mind it. I do wonder if we will ever see Urahara and Yoruichi fight seriously, along with Tessai. That would be a great sight.

However, I could also see the Vizard's sort of isolating Ichigo also. They have spent all of this time training...and he already has a form higher than them? But perhaps not.

[garfield15]

I still want a tournament arc. :p

[Captain Highwind]

Lelouch, you blew my mind with the possibilty of Yoruichi being dead. But even if that were true, Ishida must keep a mean poker face to have held back this long without telling Chad, Ichigo, or Orihime (or giving some indication of grief.)

[Lelouch]

Well, even though they were hanging, this is Bleach...so we have no idea if the two are dead.

While the body does look like Yoruichi, I find myself having a hard time believing it is her. Because most likely the two will be dead. Why would Kubo kill her off?

HOWEVER, Kubo did say the two bodies would play an important role. I can't imagine how Ichigo would react if they were Urahara and Yoruichi, or just Yoruichi. Beserk mode #2.

[Mr. Obsession]

That has yet to be confirmed or denied, its only speculation, besides, when Tousen used his resurrection his sword disappeared (like an arrancars would when they resurrect), Ichigo's sword did not when he went into his new form, so likely its not a resurrection.
Take it for what you will, but the color spread/first ad for the fourth movie that came out with the chapter right before the Christmas break called Ichigo a “perfect hybrid.” That could be why Ichigo keeps Zangetsu in his hollow form(s) while Tosen’s zanpakuto disappeared (likewise Kensei and Mashiro during TBtP). If Ichigo is a perfect hybrid then it would stand to reason that in his ultimate form he would be the apex of both shinigami and hollow abilities.


I hope that Starrk wasn't a VL, because if he was then that is just sad. Now, I DO believe Starrk, and Hallibel, are still alive, but even then they didn't show great strength.
If Starrk was one, I think it was likely it was before he split into Starrk and Lilinette. But yes, I completely agree that Starrk and Hallibel’s deaths were way too ambiguous.

With Kubo recently admitting that he was surprised how popular Ulquiorra was, and his refusing to confirm or deny if Ulquiorra was really dead, and with Orihime still in the same location… What I’m starting to suspect we’ll see is Ulquiorra coming back in the next big arc with his own group of surviving Espada: Himself, Grimmjow, Nel, Hallibel, and Starrk (having remerged with Lilinette into whatever they were before to survive Aizen’s betrayal).

[Lelouch]

And people thought I was crazy for believing Ulquiorra wasn't dead :P

Though Kubo didn't say he was alive...Ulquiorra himself said "Kill me now, or this will never end." So that says a lot in and of itself.

Also...random, but I've always found myself wondering how powerful Nel is...as in, how would she compare to Hallibel.

[Grave]

And people thought I was crazy for believing Ulquiorra wasn't dead :P

Though Kubo didn't say he was alive...Ulquiorra himself said "Kill me now, or this will never end." So that says a lot in and of itself.

Also...random, but I've always found myself wondering how powerful Nel is...as in, how would she compare to Hallibel.

As much as I would like to see Ulquiorra, I do believe he is dead. I think he said "kill me" so their would be a clear cut winner of the battle instead of it being left due to losing organs. And going by M7's translation the words were "If you don't kill me now the conflict between us will never be resolved". You can use the chapter 378: Eyes of the Victor as a reference point too. Ichigo was down/pissed about how the fight ended. At least that's how I take it anyway. Man that fight was great despite a couple of setbacks. I'd bank on Grimmjow being alive moreso than Ulquiorra though even then I think he's dead too. Lame deaths for great characters, it was started with Grimmjow.

As for Nel vs Halibel... Err... That depends on how big a leap there is from Ulquiorra and Nnoitra, and then Halibel to Ulquiorra. The way I feel about it now is that there is a huge gap between Ulquiorra and Nnoitra, but I'm not so sure on the latter, however, I do think Nel would get ousted fairly quickly against 4 and up, but that's just me. (And then there's always the "what if" Nnoitra released against Nel as well.) Sorry if that don't make sense. Just woke up and trying to get myself together.

[Mr. Obsession]

And people thought I was crazy for believing Ulquiorra wasn't dead :P
Don't get me wrong, I do believe he's dead. I just think it's mighty convenient that Orihime was left in the spot where he died, that she saw him starting to have a change of heart at the end, and that part of the whole reason Ulquiorra died was because he got the fatal wound because he went out of his way to actually keep the collateral damage from berserk Ichigo from killing Uryu and Orihime.

That and the whole "I'm not going to confirm or deny" from Kubo is pretty telling by itself.

[Rud]

I'd bank on Grimmjow being alive moreso than Ulquiorra though even then I think he's dead too. Lame deaths for great characters, it was started with Grimmjow.I definitely think Grim is alive, the last time we saw him he wasn't dead (or having a pre-death flashback), that's good enough for me really.

[Lelouch]

Grimm is definitely alive. He didn't get a proper death scene...so why would there be any reason to believe he is dead? He is probably the most developed espada, Kubo isn't about to kill him off screen.

[Grave]

Grimm is definitely alive. He didn't get a proper death scene...so why would there be any reason to believe he is dead? He is probably the most developed espada, Kubo isn't about to kill him off screen.

Outside of Ulquiorra and Nnoitra (and maybe Stark), what espada got a proper death scene?


I definitely think Grim is alive, the last time we saw him he wasn't dead (or having a pre-death flashback), that's good enough for me really.
If we go by that then Szayael didn't get his flashback, Halibel didn't get her flashback, Zommari didn't get his flashback, so to go for the whole flashback stuff is kind of moot imho.

Anyhow, whether you think Grimmy is dead or alive is up to you, I'm not gonna try any convincing at all. I'm just not going to get my hopes up that is all.

[Rud]

An idea has been going around in some places that i thought was cool, it goes like this. So, what if, say, Ichigo unfortunately lays eyes on Aizens shikai, then like, Zangetsu would show up and go like "Ichigo, take my Sunglasses, they can what is real in any situation", therefore allowing Ichigo to see through Aizens shikai. That would be really cool.

[RockmanDash]

Outside of Ulquiorra and Nnoitra (and maybe Stark), what espada got a proper death scene?


If we go by that then Szayael didn't get his flashback, Halibel didn't get her flashback, Zommari didn't get his flashback, so to go for the whole flashback stuff is kind of moot imho.

Anyhow, whether you think Grimmy is dead or alive is up to you, I'm not gonna try any convincing at all. I'm just not going to get my hopes up that is all.


Actually Aporro did have flashbacks, with Nnotria anyways, and he was the brother of the other Aporro, honestly there is nothing else to tell about him besides that. And Zommari was just there, every other Espada had some sort of backstory, EVEN BARRAGAN.

Don't go saying "lawlz well these characters didn't get some so that makes it right that Grimmjow is dead"

Grimmjow ain't dead and that's for sure, if he was he would of had a proper death, besides Ulquorria, he was basically Ichigo's main Espada rival. Tite Kubo drags things that's for sure, but he makes sure to tell you when someone is actually dead or not.

Oh and the fact that Ichigo protected him from dying, no point on claiming he's dead when he was alive on the ground watching Nnotria speak trash about a human protecting him.

[Grave]

An idea has been going around in some places that i thought was cool, it goes like this. So, what if, say, Ichigo unfortunately lays eyes on Aizens shikai, then like, Zangetsu would show up and go like "Ichigo, take my Sunglasses, they can what is real in any situation", therefore allowing Ichigo to see through Aizens shikai. That would be really cool.
Can't say I like that idea, but in order to bring Aizen down a notch, something of that nature needs to happen especially if his bankai is more devastating than his shikai.


Actually Aporro did have flashbacks, with Nnotria anyways, and he was the brother of the other Aporro, honestly there is nothing else to tell about him besides that. And Zommari was just there, every other Espada had some sort of backstory, EVEN BARRAGAN.

Don't go saying "lawlz well these characters didn't get some so that makes it right that Grimmjow is dead"

Grimmjow ain't dead and that's for sure, if he was he would of had a proper death, besides Ulquorria, he was basically Ichigo's main Espada rival.
Like I said, I'm not going to force it. Believe what you want, but don't twist my words. I was merely pointing out that Lightning Tiger (or was it Lelouch?) was saying that villains that seem to die in this series tend to get some sort of flashback when that's not entirely true.

[Rocketboy]

An idea has been going around in some places that i thought was cool, it goes like this. So, what if, say, Ichigo unfortunately lays eyes on Aizens shikai, then like, Zangetsu would show up and go like "Ichigo, take my Sunglasses, they can what is real in any situation", therefore allowing Ichigo to see through Aizens shikai. That would be really cool.
If that happens, I demand that the anime staff acquire and play Persona 4's "reach Out to the Truth."

[Lelouch]

It was me :). I am just saying that it would be awful to kill him off in such a way when he is the most developed espada.

Also, lightning. I like the theory that Ichigo will switch between himself and Hichigo in order to avoid the illusions. It seems more badass.

[Grave]

It was me :). I am just saying that it would be awful to kill him off in such a way when he is the most developed espada.

Oy, my bad Lightning.

Don't get me wrong, I agree that it's a/it would be a crappy way to off a character like that, but looking at how Stark and Halibel was done in, it would not surprise me if Grimmjow was stated as dead.

[Rud]

Also, lightning. I like the theory that Ichigo will switch between himself and Hichigo in order to avoid the illusions. It seems more badass.Lol, like, that reminds me about how Yugi and Atem kept switching minds when dueling Pegasus in order to bypass his mind reading powers in Yugioh.

[RockmanDash]

Oy, my bad Lightning.

Don't get me wrong, I agree that it's a/it would be a crappy way to off a character like that, but looking at how Stark and Halibel was done in, it would not surprise me if Grimmjow was stated as dead.

Except Stark and Harribel have never been said to be dead yet, so really there is not much of a argument, and you didn't read my last comment. =p I said "And the fact that Grimmjow was watching Ichigo protect him from Nnotria after being HIT."

If he's dead, then Tite Kubo would of just got Nnotria to kill him off there instead of Ichigo protecting him. Might as well be saying that Nel died off screen after sleeping on the sand because she hasn't been shown for a long time. :p

[Lelouch]

Actually, IIRC that was an inserted scene done by the anime crew.

It isn't completely out of the question that Grimm might be dead. We did see him lying on the ground bleeding.

Also, while I think Starrk and Hall are both alive, that too is up in the air as of right now. Especially Starrk. You make it sound like Boss was rudely shoving it in our faces, but he wasn't so it's alright. Kubo is in a world of his own. I wouldn't be 100% surprised if Grimm ends up being dead. Though I will be dissapointed.

[RockmanDash]

Actually, IIRC that was an inserted scene done by the anime crew.

It isn't completely out of the question that Grimm might be dead. We did see him lying on the ground bleeding.

Also, while I think Starrk and Hall are both alive, that too is up in the air as of right now. Especially Starrk. You make it sound like Boss was rudely shoving it in our faces, but he wasn't so it's alright. Kubo is in a world of his own. I wouldn't be 100% surprised if Grimm ends up being dead. Though I will be dissapointed.

O_o I was not acting like that at all, I was simply stating it's he's most likely alive. Honestly don't need to take what I'm saying so dang seriously xP. And besides, Kubo is not the type to just kill them off like that from his story telling, that's all I'm saying. ^^


All because I'm arguing back about what I think doesn't mean I have anything against the guy Lelouch, you might be reading a bit too much into are conversation(no offense xD)

[ShadowGUN]

This week chapter: A lot of talking.

- Everyone around ichigo begin talking to him even ice queen Soi Fon.
- Meanwhile Hacchi and Unohana are healing Hiyori.
- Shusui notice an opening and attack Aizen. Of course Aizen block his attack.
- Hitsugaya fight Aizen. He wonder what happend to all that anger Hitsugaya had during the Soul Society arc.
- Hitsugaya uses his bankai and attack Aizen.


I wonder what Gin is doing during all this?

[Beat]

Ok, so this chapter is primarily...

Soi Fon- GET UP YA BUM! GET UP!

Ichigo- I dunno, I can't see...

Soi Fon- IT'S OVER KID! YOU'RE A CRAPPY SHOUNEN PROTAGONIST!

Ichigo- No, nothin is over. I just need something to drink.

Soi Fon- AIN'T NOTHING ON EARTH GONNA SAVE YOU NOW KID...

Vendor- Get your Lipton Brisk Ice Tea here!

Meanwhile...

Hitsyuga- Power of fangirls, strike down Aizen!

Aizen- ...This is a joke right? You couldn't even beat Hallibel!

[anime_guru]

Ok, so this chapter is primarily...

Soi Fon- GET UP YA BUM! GET UP!

Ichigo- I dunno, I can't see...

Soi Fon- IT'S OVER KID! YOU'RE A CRAPPY SHOUNEN PROTAGONIST!

Ichigo- No, nothin is over. I just need something to drink.

Soi Fon- AIN'T NOTHING ON EARTH GONNA SAVE YOU NOW KID...

Vendor- Get your Lipton Brisk Ice Tea here!

Meanwhile...

Hitsyuga- Power of fangirls, strike down Aizen!

Aizen- ...This is a joke right? You couldn't even beat Hallibel!

hitsu - if tousen could be defeated by hisagi's shikai anything is possible in this nonsensical shonen...I mean the main character just got a lipton ice tea when he needed it...the power of my fangirls compel you!!!!

So this chapter is a shonen speech chapter...pass...

[garfield15]

Ah Ha! AH HAHAHAHA!

I'm sorry, that last spoiler is like.....no way, you can't be serious...Is he trying to just run off his popularity now?

[soundmonkey44]

you know, Even though I still find these fights enjoyable, even thought they've been dragged out to the point of madness...Tosen's hollow form, was really lame...I mean why would a captian turn into a giant bug....I mean should'nt he turn into an animial closer to his personality....I mean i could understand Gin turning into a bug-type Hollow, but why tosen.

Bleach I love yea..but ya gotsta get ogf the drugs man...for the sake of your fans, get off the drugs & have your story make sense again! lol!:sweat:

Plus...I still have to ask..where the heck are Urahara & Yuroichi!?:radda:

[Beat]

I'm still waiting for Aizen's transformation into Serpentor.

Tousen was Cobra Commander after all.

Next chapter prediction, sort of...

Aizen- Pwned!

Hitsyuga- It's ok. I'm still popular. (Sees hole in stomach). Oooh, maybe it's not OK. But with computers nowadays *loses hands* Oh dammit!

*Ichigo drinks ice tea* Yo! That's brisk baby!

Soi Fon- Now get in there you sob! And just remember- Soi Fon loves ya!

Ichigo- ...Uh, don't let Inoue hear that.

(Yes, I apologize for turning Soi Fon into Burgess Meridith. I really do. But for whatever reason, this came into my head)

[ShadowGUN]

Well that was fast. The english version is already out.

So now is everybody who still awake vs Aizen except Yamamoto and Sasakibe who know where those two are. I bet Aizen wishes he didn't cut down Harribel right about now. I sorta LOL at Hitugaya telling Aizen he was gonna "slice and crush him into pieces with violence" :p. Anyway the chapter was better than the spoilers made it sound.

[Neo Ultra Mike]

Aizen: So your going to fight me now?
Hitsuguya: Yes.
Aizen: Last time we fought I defeated you with one strike. Have you trained since then.
Hitsuguya: Uh...I sat on a rock and mediated once.
Aizen: And?
Hitsuguya: ..... That's it.
Aizen: So what makes you think I won't do that again?
Hitsuguya: My fans will make me win anything no matter how ridicolous I loose at first now.
Harribel: (Offscreen and... probably dead) Yeah trust me he has some of the cheapest ice attacks ever.
Aizen: Yes but I have the cheapest powers of anything ever. Face it kid your just a distraction to give Ichigo more time to think clearly or whatever.
Hitsuguya: Yeah well by that logic your just the big bad for Ichigo to defeat.
Aizen: Ha as if my evil plan would fail that much-
Hitsguya: Dude you lost everyone but you and Gin. How has your evil plan NOT failed?
Aizen: ........ I have no idea really.

[soundmonkey44]

Neo...I predict you will be right in your prediciton.

I also Predict Yuroichi & Urahara probably won't appear till all is said & done....I can see it now.

500 chapters from now when the battle is over..lol.


Yuroichi: Hi guy's
Urahara: Yo
Soi-fon: Y-Yuroichi Sama! *Blushes*
Ichigo: WHERE THE HECK WERE YOU GUYS!?
Yuroichi: Chillin at Kiskuie's place watchin the fight on the flat screen
Ichigo: What the...How does that Help us!
Soi-fon: do not question Yuroichi-sama's methods! *hits ichigo on the head*
Ichigo: But she did nothing...where was she when we needed help fighting
Urahara: we were in the Hot Tub.
Soi-fon: *Shocked Expression*
Yuroichi: calm down soi-fon, oh hey..you lost an arm
Soi-fon: Yes, I am sorry
Yuroichi: its Ok we can Just Use Orihime's Magic fairy powers to heal it.
Soi-fon: Oh Yuroichi Sama your so wise *runs towards Yuroichi*
YuroichiL I know
Urahara: GROUP HUG!

Ichigo: What the heck....Forget this...I quite...I'm just gonna go back to my job at burger king.....this manga is just getting rediculious.

and that is how the Arc will end.

[Rocketboy]

I honestly thought that when Aizen said "You lost your hatred because Hinamori is here", he was going to go and cut her again.

[Jacob T. Paschal]

Wow, I didn't even have to read the spoilers. O.o

Anyhow, it was a pretty good week. Hitsugaya is ready to unleash his fury on Aizen and it seems Ichigo is just waiting for his moment to strike.

[Rud]

Meh, this Aizen stuff is ok i gues, but its a waste of time, we all know he wont be defeated until after his other underlings do, so i hope Kubo cuts to Wonderweis vs Kensei or the Yammi fight and get those over with already, then come back to Aizen. Also, what is Gin doing, having a chat with Yamamoto?

[Grave]

Also, what is Gin doing, having a chat with Yamamoto?

Gotta be, along with that Vice Captain.

Chapter wasn't bad. Kind of messed up that it takes tons of captains and vice captains to take down one ex captain. I think Shunsui was the highlight of the chapter for me though. And one thing I really have to give Kubo credit for is his artwork. Of the 3 big shonen series, I think Kubo does excel in drawing over Oda and Kishi, but that's probably just me though.

[anime_guru]

Wow, I didn't even have to read the spoilers. O.o

Anyhow, it was a pretty good week. Hitsugaya is ready to unleash his fury on Aizen and it seems Ichigo is just waiting for his moment to strike.

ahem...what fury!?
hate to state the obvious but hitsugaya only sat on a rock, well a roof prior to the whole winter war...and (if we are going by the anime) played soccer...:sweat:

he really couldn't defeat halibel alone and hitsugaya is just begging to be killed and not even his fangirls can save him...well maybe they can have an ice vigil and it can be nice but the point is...I don't see any fury beyond the I have rage watch be get struck down

[Jacob T. Paschal]

ahem...what fury!?
hate to state the obvious but hitsugaya only sat on a rock, well a roof prior to the whole winter war...and (if we are going by the anime) played soccer...:sweat:

he really couldn't defeat halibel alone and hitsugaya is just begging to be killed and not even his fangirls can save him...well maybe they can have an ice vigil and it can be nice but the point is...I don't see any fury beyond the I have rage watch be get struck down

The fury he obviously displayed in this chapter. Hinamori means a lot to him and seeing her treated like that, espicially on top of everything else Aizen is planning, makes sense.

[Lelouch]

I thought this was a pretty good chapter.

I think that Hitsugaya will not be so easily owned this time, but eventually it will happen. Provoking people is something Aizen does with relative ease, and that's how he manipulates people.

I will note that his bankai looked a bit more impressive, guess that is because of the anger.

Seeing all of them take on Aizen is great...if only because he isn't even having trouble.

I have to wonder though...why don't they realize that normal sword fighting won't work...use your Shikai/Bankai's! Ah well. I guess that is because this is a shounen.

...and I still can't wait until Ichigo goes insane.

[anime_guru]

The fury he obviously displayed in this chapter. Hinamori means a lot to him and seeing her treated like that, espicially on top of everything else Aizen is planning, makes sense.

noting that anytime hitsu has ever had any remote moment of fury has left him gasping for air or needing assistance to get a win...

heck the only "individuals" that he actually had fury against and won with was grimjow's adjuchas which is sad...

And yeah I seriously think any fury he has, he will either get defeated quickly or a deus ex machina will save him. I understand that he cares for hina really its just...anytime hitsu had a huge fight he sorta failed...and I expect to see a bit more of this

though I am surprised he can re bankai all things considered

[Jacob T. Paschal]

noting that anytime hitsu has ever had any remote moment of fury has left him gasping for air or needing assistance to get a win...

heck the only "individuals" that he actually had fury against and won with was grimjow's adjuchas which is sad...

And yeah I seriously think any fury he has, he will either get defeated quickly or a deus ex machina will save him. I understand that he cares for hina really its just...anytime hitsu had a huge fight he sorta failed...and I expect to see a bit more of this

though I am surprised he can re bankai all things considered

Where did I ever imply he was going to beat Aizen? He's pissed, he hates Aizen, he's going to try to kill him. That's pretty much all I have said and all that will likey happen, unless Hitsugaya delivers the final blow on Aizen or something. The relationship with Hinamori has been built up, we've known for some time Hitsugaya would likely make one last attempt on Aizen's life.

[Captain Highwind]

Also, what is Gin doing, having a chat with Yamamoto?

Maybe he got sniped by Gin after what he did to the Chimera girls, providing a perfectly reasonable explanation as to why Yamamoto hasn't shown up to help anybody.

Something's up.

[FireStarterLE]

My guess is that Gin is watching from the sidelines probably thinking "Aizen is a big boy, he can take care of himself"

He'll probably attack if he wants to (or if he's provoked) but I'm guessing he'll just watch

... kinda like the Head Captain's doing! (I'm thinking the old man fell asleep, probably got bored wondering if he'd ever show up again)

[anime_guru]

Where did I ever imply he was going to beat Aizen? He's pissed, he hates Aizen, he's going to try to kill him. That's pretty much all I have said and all that will likey happen, unless Hitsugaya delivers the final blow on Aizen or something. The relationship with Hinamori has been built up, we've known for some time Hitsugaya would likely make one last attempt on Aizen's life.

but in many ways this is above hina as much as hitsugaya realized. This is the first time someone has even begun to mention hinamori and I doubt this was on his mind during the winter arc, because if it was, hitsugaya's "fury" would've manifested a long time ago.

I never said hitsugaya was going to kill aizen but my point is hitsugaya's only true win was in a movie and against an ajduchas level arrancar. Hitsugaya, if not for his fans would probably not even be cast in the forefront as he is right now. And its shocking that we all forgot about that point - evidently hitsugaya did until aizen pointed it out. And that's sad that your enemy has to point something like this out...

It could be a psychological game I will admit, aizen is pretty good at it. But as far as motivate goes, hinamori was the last thing on hitsugaya's mind. Which is why his "rage" makes absolutely no sense. Make that a motivate throughout the fighting throughout the meetings.

Its evident at least in matsumoto and gin's twisted friendship that matsumoto has unfinished business with him as far as rage. that's been pointed out subtly and pretty darn well.

Its evident shinji and all the vaizards have some rage against aizen they have every right and its told to the reader.

But hitsugaya and hinamori was absolutely left field. Not only does it seems ingenuine but it just shows that as a writer, kubo can pop in anything with a remote chance of deus ex machina and people will suck it up.

Fact remains the rage just doesn't hold. There's no buildup to the rage. The only thing that has been built up was the war and that was on hitsugaya's mind. Unfortunately not hinamori...at least until this chapter

[Lelouch]

...I'd say that hitsugaya has every reason to be upset. Hinamori is perhaps his best friend...who was extremely hurt by Aizen, so his rage really isn't out of left field at all.

Nobody is saying that Hitsugaya is going to win, just that he will put up a better fight because he is fueled by his anger.

[RockmanDash]

...I'd say that hitsugaya has every reason to be upset. Hinamori is perhaps his best friend...who was extremely hurt by Aizen, so his rage really isn't out of left field at all.

Nobody is saying that Hitsugaya is going to win, just that he will put up a better fight because he is fueled by his anger.


=p But aren't most fights that are fueled by "anger" led to being koed easily? Of course not saying Hitsugaya is not thinking completely but I wouldn't be surprised if he charged right in again.

[anime_guru]

after being reminded that aizen almost killed his best friend by aizen himself...
that's just bad...seriously it is...

Though I will admit, even I forgot about hinamori and aizen...:sweat:
psychological attack from aizen? could be actually but it says a lot when your opponent has to remind you of what he's done...

[garfield15]

I'm going to assume that "I came here to do violence to you" is just a grammatical brainfart and not Toushirou sounding like an idiot. :p

I do like the new look of Daiguren Hyourinmaru though. It looks fiercer.

[Beat]

I'm going to assume that "I came here to do violence to you" is just a grammatical brainfart and not Toushirou sounding like an idiot. :p

I do like the new look of Daiguren Hyourinmaru though. It looks fiercer.

Why am I suddenly reminded of Yazan Gable?

We get it Kubo. Aizen is the pwnface. He's Superman, Lelouch and Myamoto Musashi all blended together to form the ultimate Villain Sue. Is there really a point to him killing an obviously overmatched fangirl magnet? Barring someone's Bankai turning them into Chuck Norris, there is no one here a match for him.

[GWOtaku]

I won't be surprised to see this reduced to a deathmatch in the end, but I like that there's at least an attempt at a team battle here. Granted, Hitsugaya might be about to screw up the teamwork that was getting going in this chapter, but still. As much as I want Kubo to get to the point, it also would've been a hell of a stretch to have an "Ichigo fights Aizen while most of the Captains watch!" situation.

And it actually kind of works. They're doing it apparently because they know that no one of them can actually beat the bastard head on. For once we don't have the obligatory "all big fights must be 1v1 ALWAYS" rule going no matter what.

[garfield15]

It's not really a "team effort" attack if the enemy is completely broken.

It's more like a Zerg Rush (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ZergRush) in this case :anime:

[Beat]

It's the Charge of the Light Brigade.

Even with their combined strength, they seem to be no match for Aizen. I mean seriously, this is bordering on ridiculous. Aizen is so broken at this point, it feels like you'd have to introduce a new character specifically to take him out. Except that would only compound the problem because whatever champion is built or made to defeat Aizen would be even more broken.

Who, logically, besides the old man, would be any test against Aizen? Certainty not Ichigo and the Funky bunch, and it only gets worse from there. Could you imagine Orihime in there?

[garfield15]

Maybe a godmodding Orihime powering up Ichigo? That could work.

[Jacob T. Paschal]

Could Orihime just develope a way to reject his shikai's special ability? O.o

[Beat]

Could Orihime just develope a way to reject his shikai's special ability? O.o

Theoretically she could just reject Aizen. But fanon seems to indicate that if she does that she'll turn into an evil empress of darkness and destroy everything.

[Mr. Anime]

Here something that was bothering me while reading the chapter, WHERE THE HECK DID GIN GO?

[Jacob T. Paschal]

Here something that was bothering me while reading the chapter, WHERE THE HECK DID GIN GO?

If you knew it wouldn't be a surprise.

[Demonic Raven]

Icefail needs to stop hogging the spotlight. His fangirls can all go jump off a bridge.

Gin is obviously sitting back and letting Aizen take all the heat because Gin is the real big bad villian...obviously!*

*Complete and total conjecture. Also, not obvious.

[RockmanDash]

Here something that was bothering me while reading the chapter, WHERE THE HECK DID GIN GO?

Drinking tea with Yamamoto and discussing how much they love to let their hands stay clean.

[anime_guru]

It's the Charge of the Light Brigade.

Even with their combined strength, they seem to be no match for Aizen. I mean seriously, this is bordering on ridiculous. Aizen is so broken at this point, it feels like you'd have to introduce a new character specifically to take him out. Except that would only compound the problem because whatever champion is built or made to defeat Aizen would be even more broken.

Who, logically, besides the old man, would be any test against Aizen? Certainty not Ichigo and the Funky bunch, and it only gets worse from there. Could you imagine Orihime in there?

well the skull knight worked for berserk...
actually to be honest, I sorta expect the royal guard to kill all parties involved with the incident 110 years ago...and trying to restructure soul society leaving shinigami on the run but that's just me...

and no by the way kubo has shafted the heroines of bleach I don't expect orihime going insane and killing everyone within a city block either...oh but it would be so awesome...

[Jacob T. Paschal]

Icefail needs to stop hogging the spotlight. His fangirls can all go jump off a bridge.

Is that really called for?

[Grave]

Seeing all of them take on Aizen is great...if only because he isn't even having trouble.

I have to wonder though...why don't they realize that normal sword fighting won't work...use your Shikai/Bankai's! Ah well. I guess that is because this is a shounen.

Having reread the chapter a couple of times (it's really a good chapter), I do believe Shunsui is using his shikai, but not the one that's really devastating. I do agree though. One would think a combination attack between Shusui and Shinji would at least put another scratch on Aizen. And I do believe Lisa has released her shikai.

[anime_guru]

Having reread the chapter a couple of times (it's really a good chapter), I do believe Shunsui is using his shikai, but not the one that's really devastating. I do agree though. One would think a combination attack between Shusui and Shinji would at least put another scratch on Aizen. And I do believe Lisa has released her shikai.

I mean considering all parties have seen their share of fighting, maybe they're holding some in on their reserve. At least for the case of shunsui his bankai is pretty special in that (unless tite kubo has forgotten) his bankai has a poem attached to his swords transformation

So its possible that like most things they aren't letting anger cloud their judgment. But it is possible that this is just the standard hero/villain monologue of love taps before the fight. A la almost every shonen anime to date...so its a rather common trope that we are seeing here. And often, you always see some hot head rush in and get pwned that makes everyone else rush in to get pwned as well. until the hero rushes in and also gets pwned. And by some magical deus ex machina finds a way to pull in all of his resolve to defeat the opponent...

Its pretty standard and I'm hoping tite kubo proves me wrong

[ShadowGUN]

This week chapter: Nothing. Oh wait Gin is there.

- Storywise nothing much happen.
- Hitsugaya attacks get parried by Aizen.
- Komamura also gets slashed.
- Gin appears and he standing there.
- Gin start to talk. And that pretty much it for the spoilers

[garfield15]

I hope Mike can come by and parody the spoilers.

God, this manga is getting boring.

[GWOtaku]

The relevant detail to all that seems to be that Soul Society's assuming that the thing to watch out for with Aizen is his illusion tricks, the abilities of his zanpakuto. But Gin's basically remarking that his true strength supposedly has nothing to do with it, so it doesn't matter if he has time to use it or not.

[Beat]

So on this episode of Bleach...

Everyone does a Moribito reenactment by doing nothing. Boredom ensues.

Ok, that's harsh, but the one piece of information we've got reinforces the problem- Aizen is unstoppable. Unless Chuck Norris and Mr. T team up with Ichigo they're dead meat.

This is padding which compounds the already existing problem, and it really seems like a new character would be the only one that could logically defeat him.

[RockmanDash]

This week chapter: Nothing.

...Tite Kubo did say he had no idea how he was going to end this. :p

[anime_guru]

...Tite Kubo did say he had no idea how he was going to end this. :p

oh and it shows

[Beat]

...Tite Kubo did say he had no idea how he was going to end this. :p

*Cut to six weeks from now*

Next time- Aizen is still beating everyone down! Will Kubo have to rely on characters from better written mangas to finally defeat this Villain Sue? Tune in for "Cheap Guest spot- Ken-Oh vs. Shiginami!" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPLkXC8KsO8)

[RockmanDash]

I'm starting to think Bleach is very.....not good now. Honestly the fact that we can read through the author and just know he is trying to think of ideas is pretty sad. He really must of been going with the flow the entire time with the arrancar arc. "OH SUPER POWERFUL VILLAINS! CHECK! IMPOSSIBLE VILLAINS CHECK! ............Oh crap how do I let the good guys win again?"

[Grave]

I'm starting to think Bleach is very.....not good now.

Now? :p

I can't really say much about anything until I see the chapter. (Just noticed I've been a lot more lenient on all 3 shonen series as of late lol)

[Rud]

Ok, yeah, Kubo might not be sure about how he's going to end this arc, but you guys are making it seem as if he has no idea where the story is going and is just stalling and making stuff up, both of which are untrue, the gut literally TOLD US what the next arc was going to be about (and even told us what would be important later on, aka the bodies Mayuri found) and when this one was going to end. Believe it or not there is a plan, its just very loose.

[Neo Ultra Mike]

Originally posted by Megaman X
I'm starting to think Bleach is very.....not good now. Honestly the fact that we can read through the author and just know he is trying to think of ideas is pretty sad. He really must of been going with the flow the entire time with the arrancar arc. "OH SUPER POWERFUL VILLAINS! CHECK! IMPOSSIBLE VILLAINS CHECK! ............Oh crap how do I let the good guys win again?"

Uh like every other impossible win: Ichigo pulls some sort of super power up out of his a*s that chapters upon chapters later gets some sort of justification put behind it. You all know that's what is going to take down Aizen, Kubo's just stalling until that happens.


originally posted by garfiled15
I hope Mike can come by and parody the spoilers.

God, this manga is getting boring.

Yeah that's kind of the problem Garfield. How do you parody something so boring?

...Hmmm boring

boring...

boring....

*Song starts to play by as visuals of the latest chapter swirl around*.

I'm So Bored
I'm So Very Very Bored
I'd Rather See A Filler Episode
About Lurichiyo And Ririn Having Tea Behind A Secret Door
It's So Dull
There's Nothing To Say
At least those who read the Naruto Manga
Can talk about the "deaths" and how even more unreedmable Kishimoto made Sasuke!

Where Did The Story Go?
Where Could It Be?
Aizen Is Just Too Much A God Modder
I'd Bet He Could Even Take A Tag Team Combo Of Chuck Norris and Mr. T!

BORING!
This Manga's Not Very Interesting!
BORING!
Where Did This Go Wrong?
BORING!
I'm Guessing Years Ago
But Now All We Can Do Is Sing This Already Done Song!

To Those Who Didn't Read The Spoilers: Your Not Missing That Much
Nothing Really Happens.
Hitsaguya And Konomaura Get Owned Yet Again
And Gin Talks About How Awesome Aizen Is
Like We Haven't Heard That Enough Before!

BORING!
BORING!
BORING!
BORING
BORING BORING BORING
BLEACH EQUALS BORING!

... Sadly that's all I got.

... Even more sadly that's all this chapter really has.

[Beat]

Order! Mike, for your crimes against humanity, I sentence you to...reading the rest of this manga!

NUM- Do you have any idea how long that will take? Besides, my dreams are much more interesting.

No Mike. For if you do not read the rest of this convoluted battle, you will have to watch THIS! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAY8JaDgNEY)

[garfield15]

^^NUUUUUUUUUUUUOOOOOO!!

(I'm imagining Mike's song with Jonny Yong Bosch heads instead of Arnold heads) :p


Believe it or not there is a plan, its just very loose.
Loose isn't really a good thing though.


Uh like every other impossible win: Ichigo pulls some sort of super power up out of his a*s that chapters upon chapters later gets some sort of justification put behind it. You all know that's what is going to take down Aizen, Kubo's just stalling until that happens.

See, I'll give the SS arc this. I never thought Bankai was a last minute super-power and never facepalmed next to, I guess, Ressurection Hollow Ichigo. Actually, I thought it was probably one of the coolest moments I had ever seen in the manga (though I saw it animated first though). Even Ichigo's victory didn't seem like an asspull since it was really just "go at him with everything" by the end of the fight.

[Grave]

Toushiro, Toushiro, Toushiro...

Clearly he didn't get the picture the first time he was cut down by Aizen. I was pretty much rolling my eyes when he said "he'd crush Aizen before giving him a chance to use Kyoka Suigetsu".

Old Man Yama-ji's the worst character in this series now.

[RockmanDash]

Ok, yeah, Kubo might not be sure about how he's going to end this arc, but you guys are making it seem as if he has no idea where the story is going and is just stalling and making stuff up, both of which are untrue, the gut literally TOLD US what the next arc was going to be about (and even told us what would be important later on, aka the bodies Mayuri found) and when this one was going to end. Believe it or not there is a plan, its just very loose.


xP Loose is pretty bad. Regardless if he has ideas, it's bad story telling to have another "Aizen is so powerful" chapter where basically nothing happens. It's bad enough he makes random characters like Gin vanish one moment, and reappear again. (Yamamoto is probably floating in space as of right now.. >_>) Tite could at least make this fight seem interesting.




And Gin Talks About How Awesome Aizen Is
Like We Haven't Heard That Enough Before!

[Paul_Cousins]

xP Loose is pretty bad. Regardless if he has ideas, it's bad story telling to have another "Aizen is so powerful" chapter where basically nothing happens. It's bad enough he makes random characters like Gin vanish one moment, and reappear again. (Yamamoto is probably floating in space as of right now.. >_>) Tite could at least make this fight seem interesting.Gin narrating of the chapter was done quite well. Gin's narration and the fight scenes blended well together for a powerful effect.

The good guys got so focused on Aizen's trump card, his mind control power, that they forgot about the rest of the cards in his deck.

In this chapter, Aizen just reminded everyone how skilled and powerful he is.

[Jacob T. Paschal]

Call me crazy but Komamura did sort of get taken out of the fight in this chapter, so I wouldn't exactly say nothing happened. Espicially when it's a battle royal for a dozen characters. Is it suppose to end in two chapters?

Not that this will matter to to Joe Tankôbon reader in a year or two...

[Zach Logan]

Call me crazy but Komamura did sort of get taken out of the fight in this chapter, so I wouldn't exactly say nothing happened. Espicially when it's a battle royal for a dozen characters. Is it suppose to end in two chapters?

Not that this will matter to to Joe Tankôbon reader in a year or two...

Still, this 'arc/saga' has lasted...I don't remember how long anymore...and nothing substantial has really happened in the long term. We had the Espada: they're all dead. We had a bunch of fights, hooray? Bleach has gone pretty much nowhere since the end of Soul Society sans the Vizards, and they're not all that great apparently because a bunch of them are MIA or DOA here. I don't even think Joe Tankôbon is going to like this series because this series has gone nowhere. This chapter doesn't stand out among this steaming pile.

[Fool's Gil]

...Tite Kubo did say he had no idea how he was going to end this. :p

:sad: Wow, that's just awful. :sad:


Ok, yeah, Kubo might not be sure about how he's going to end this arc, but you guys are making it seem as if he has no idea where the story is going and is just stalling and making stuff up, both of which are untrue, the guy literally TOLD US what the next arc was going to be about (and even told us what would be important later on, aka the bodies Mayuri found) and when this one was going to end. Believe it or not there is a plan, its just very loose.

If he has no idea how to end this arc, he probably doesn't know how to start the next arc, and if he does, there's a very good chance he won't know how to finish that one either.


Chapter was depressing. All the Captains thought Ichigo can win because he never seen Aizen's Shikai...But as Gin stated, Aizen doesn't need it in the slightest. What the hell can Ichigo do when the time comes?

Also-Joe Tankôbon? lol

[garfield15]

Considering how Kubo tends to make the next arc longer than the last, the final arc he has planned after the breather mini-arc after....whenever he decides to end this one is going to be loooooong.

(I can't believe that I'm probably going to graduate from college before any of the shounen 3 are over)

[Jacob T. Paschal]

Considering how Kubo tends to make the next arc longer than the last, the final arc he has planned after the breather mini-arc after....whenever he decides to end this one is going to be loooooong.

(I can't believe that I'm probably going to graduate from college before any of the shounen 3 are over)

That depends.

How old are you? :p

[garfield15]

That depends.

How old are you? :p
Oh noes! I'm being harassed on an internet forum! :p

[Jacob T. Paschal]

Oh noes! I'm being harassed on an internet forum! :p

Oh God, you're not twelve or something, are you?[/not going to take this joke any further]


@Zach: I never said the series was good. ;)

[veemonjosh]

This week chapter: Nothing. Oh wait Gin is there.

- Storywise nothing much happen.
- Hitsugaya attacks get parried by Aizen.
- Komamura also gets slashed.
- Gin appears and he standing there.
- Gin start to talk. And that pretty much it for the spoilers



Nothings happening....nothings happening...the guy with the fangirls is attacking the villain....nothings happening...nothings happening...Gin is saying something, I dunno, I wasn't really paying attention...nothings happening...nothings happening...

It's over. A lot of people in the audience look pissed.

[Captain Highwind]

Well, kudos for making Aizen beefed up instead of relying on his sword. You have to admit it was looking the exact opposite in the past few chapters. It would have made this chapter a lttle more substantiated if we had some clue as to what makes him utterly untouchable. Unless Kubo is bringing up his Batman-level status in the four shinigami art styles again before we get into the meat of the story.

All in all we're getting the annoying shinigami picked off first, and many things happened other than Ichigo taking a single swing or Aizen making weird passes at 15 year olds.

Progress!

[anime_guru]

Well, kudos for making Aizen beefed up instead of relying on his sword. You have to admit it was looking the exact opposite in the past few chapters. It would have made this chapter a lttle more substantiated if we had some clue as to what makes him utterly untouchable. Unless Kubo is bringing up his Batman-level status in the four shinigami art styles again before we get into the meat of the story.

All in all we're getting the annoying shinigami picked off first, and many things happened other than Ichigo taking a single swing or Aizen making weird passes at 15 year olds.

Progress!

see this is the logic I don't understand. Aizen displayed this OMFGWTFBBQWABBITHAXXORZ power against grimjow way back when this arc technically started. Considering that the espada were such pushovers and aizen has the same gambit (and the shinigami + visored are stronger than the espada) why in the world did aizen's hacks work almost as effectively if the shinigami + visored (or at least the visored and shunsui) are stronger than they are?

This makes absolutely no sense in that regard. And mashiro aka 15 hour girl her mask lasts in 3 minutes? I mean come on! How can they explain how underpowered the visored are in comparison to aizen? I mean for goodness sakes tousen was taken out by a shikai!!! I dunno I am not impressed by this arc but I don't think I am no longer in the minority

[Rud]

In theory the hybrids should be stronger than both hollows and shinigami because they have powers from both, but its not that simple.

as an example

Aizen has shinigami power at 100, Mashiro has shinigami power at say 40 and hollow powers at say 30, even with powers from both hollow and shinigami she still only totals 70, so Aizen is still better even though hes only been using shinigami powers.

Aizen stated back in soul society that hed reached the max potential of a shinigami, so hes a strong as a shinigami can possibly be (the max). The arrancars and vaizrds have not reached that level in either hollow powers or shinigami powers (nowhere near the max in either one power), and even combined their 2 powers still arent high enough in total, as shown in the example above. its just that simple.

Aizen is just that good.

[Beat]

Then barring a massive ass-pull superpower showing up, the only logical end to this is Aizen taking over the world.

[GWOtaku]

Then barring a massive ass-pull superpower showing up, the only logical end to this is Aizen taking over the world.

There's always monster Ichigo from the Ulquiorra fight, although I was rather hoping that we'd never ever see it again. I'd rather see Ichigo somehow pull this off as himself, more or less.

[Rud]

Well, as of now the Scarmask is all Ichigo's got that could possibly beat aizen. He cant pull the old "i got resolve" trick that worked in the past, seeing as how that failed against Ulquiorra badly theres no way itl take out Aizen.

[Jacob T. Paschal]

There's always monster Ichigo from the Ulquiorra fight, although I was rather hoping that we'd never ever see it again. I'd rather see Ichigo somehow pull this off as himself, more or less.

Unless...he managers to master that form...?

[Paul_Cousins]

Then barring a massive ass-pull superpower showing up, the only logical end to this is Aizen taking over the world.Maybe. Maybe not.

Though, in Aizen's Xanatox Gambit, I think, Aizen never intended to use the population of Karakura Town to make the King Key. Aizen is not that wasteful.

Instead, he baited the Soul Society into thinking that was his plan. Aizen guessed that the Soul Society would set a trap, and evacuate the town.

Which is exactly what the Soul Society did.

Aizen needs the spiritual power equal to 100,000 human souls to make the King's Key. He has the equivalent of that must power right in Fake Karakura Town right now.

All, that spiritual energy released by the Soul Reaper captains, the arrancar, the espada, the vizards and the gillians.

In doing this, he gets rid of his hollow subordinates, whom some were already showing signs they would eventually betray him. The vizards, whom want to kill him for experimenting on them. And the Soul Society, whom wants his head for betraying them.

In one swift move he gets rid of most of his enemies and creates the King's Key at the same time. And he doesn't have to murder a 100,000 people whom have nothing to do with this entire matter.

Right now, Aizen is just gloating his enemies into attacking him to throw more spirtual energy into the area before he slams his trap shut.

[Jacob T. Paschal]

Maybe. Maybe not.

Though, in Aizen's Xanatox Gambit, I think, Aizen never intended to use the population of Karakura Town to make the King Key. Aizen is not that wasteful.

Instead, he baited the Soul Society into thinking that was his plan. Aizen guessed that the Soul Society would set a trap, and evacuate the town.

Which is exactly what the Soul Society did.

Aizen needs the spiritual power equal to 100,000 human souls to make the King's Key. He has the equivalent of that must power right in Fake Karakura Town right now.

All, that spiritual energy released by the Soul Reaper captains, the arrancar, the espada, the vizards and the gillians.

In doing this, he gets rid of his hollow subordinates, whom some were already showing signs they would eventually betray him. The vizards, whom want to kill him for experimenting on them. And the Soul Society, whom wants his head for betraying them.

In one swift move he gets rid of most of his enemies and creates the King's Key at the same time. And he doesn't have to murder a 100,000 people whom have nothing to do with this entire matter.

Right now, Aizen is just gloating his enemies into attacking him to throw more spirtual energy into the area before he slams his trap shut.

That would make an incredible amount of sense.

Although, as I understand, that wouldn't necessarily mean they all have to die, just use up their...was it 'Reiatsu'?

[Demonic Raven]

"Ōken(King's Key) can be forged with 100,000 souls and a plot of spirit-enriched land with a radius of half a spirit-mile." In the real world, Karakura Town was the place that just so happened to be that spiritually enriched land, but with all the happenings in the Fake Karakura Town, it's probable that it's in the process of becoming quite spirit-enriched itself. The amount of souls, if you count all the different Hollow souls that go into a single Menos or Arrancar, is quite high as well.

Aizen is fulfilling the requirements, but it's obvious that FKT still not at the point it needs to be. But just imagine for a second that Aizen and Ichigo, along with other powerful people like Yama (if he wakes up!), Shinji, Kyoraku, release their full power (bankai, resurreccion, the whole deal), then... one King's Key, hot and ready to go!

And Ichigo is going to be the key to all of it because he's the main character he has that incredible spiritual pressure, but it's going to backfire on Aizen because Ichigo is the main character is more powerful and unpredictable than he seems on the surface.

As much sense as it makes, I'm expecting at least a few curveballs.

[Scirel]

That would make an incredible amount of sense.

Although, as I understand, that wouldn't necessarily mean they all have to die, just use up their...was it 'Reiatsu'?


That really does make a huge amount of sense.

it also dosen`t matter whether the soul reapers or espada died, as long as he had some way to absorb all the energy that's being thrown around.

[Jacob T. Paschal]

That really does make a huge amount of sense.

it also dosen`t matter whether the soul reapers or espada died, as long as he had some way to absorb all the energy that's being thrown around.

And thus, we would have characters for the next arc...

...the arc IN HEAVENNNNN~~~!!!!oneeleven111twofourniner


I think it would actually be interesting if Aizen succeeded and continued onward toward wherever the Hell (pun!) the Key led...

[ShadowGUN]

This week chapter: Aizen continues to slay the Soul Reapers.

- Komamura and Love are down.
- Ichigo is still standing.
- What about Lisa? She goes down as well.
- Soi Fon? Yep she down too.
- Hitsugaya sees an oppotunity and stab Aizen from behind. That it for the spoilers.

[garfield15]

Can something happen? Please?

I'm not even anticipating the climax this week because I know Toushirou's just going to get faked out and owned again.

(Love the spoilers. Her? Owned. Her too? Yeah, owned. Yama-jii in the spoilers? Nope. :D)

[Rud]

Ehh, some of the fake spoilers were better (in one of them Gin was about to fight Unohana, which would be epic).

[Beat]

So to sum up the last 3 chapters-

Aizen- I am Aizen, and I am awesome!

Soul Reapers- We suck.

Ichigo- Especially me.

Old man Yamma- *hiding in fear of captain pwnface*

Nostalgia Critic- DO SOMETHING! Wait, I don't read this. *goes home*

Audience- How does this end?

Kubo- Got me. *sniff* Zombie Powder...

[GWOtaku]

Heh.

I understand the need to cut down the number of active opponents, but hopefully exposition adds some meat to this. I mean, I sure hope Ichigo is actually gaining something from watching all this.

Yamamoto's absence continues to be inexplicable. In particular, I don't get why Gin isn't fighting. I mean, Aizen doesn't need his help, but still.

Any odds on the Hecto Mundo group eventually showing up, I wonder? I'm still a bit irritated that two of the more popular Captain characters and Ichigo's friends are basically AWOL for this massive crisis.

As for Yamamoto, bah, just screw it. This is so dumb. If he actually fights it'll be after just about everyone except Ichigo gets beat, and then he'll get beat because he was too stupid to actually work together with his subordinates. Worst commander ever.

[Captain Highwind]

Soi Fon and Lisa going down already too, with Hitsuguya probably next, that will make things go faster.
I guess I'll just throw out more conspiracy theories unti something happens and say that when everybody except Ichigo falls, Yamamoto will come out and say that he was in on Aizen's plan too and wants part of the take. Something about him has never set well with me.

[Novapocalypse]

I am probably not the first to mention this, but with all of the Shinigami on Earth... then doesn't this mean that the Soul Society is wide open for Aizen to get the souls he needs to make the Oken?

[ShadowGUN]

I am probably not the first to mention this, but with all of the Shinigami on Earth... then doesn't this mean that the Soul Society is wide open for Aizen to get the souls he needs to make the Oken?

Not really. The only Soul Reapers on Earth are the Captains and Lieutenants. The regular Soul Reapers are still in Soul Society.

[Rud]

New spoiler details show thatthey are actually putting up a good fight, and the reason Hitsugaya got that stab on Aizen was because of a brilliant combo by Shunsui & Shinji that left him open, Aizen may not just be unstoppable after all.

[anime_guru]

New spoiler details show thatthey are actually putting up a good fight, and the reason Hitsugaya got that stab on Aizen was because of a brilliant combo by Shunsui & Shinji that left him open, Aizen may not just be unstoppable after all.

if that is really aizen and he hasn't done a deus ex machina haxxoorz
all in all yawn bleach...please royal guard decimate this place...pretty please =)

sighs back to naruto I go

[RockmanDash]

This fight is actually turning really good, if that info is true about Shunsui and Shinji, then that's really awesome stuff. Of course right when Aizen says "Bankai" or pulls a mask out, it's game over.

Hopefully Ichigo finds a weakness of some sort in Aizen's tactics.

[Novapocalypse]

Not really. The only Soul Reapers on Earth are the Captains and Lieutenants. The regular Soul Reapers are still in Soul Society.


Aizen could probably get rid of them by waving his hand though...

[Grave]

This fight is actually turning really good, if that info is true about Shunsui and Shinji, then that's really awesome stuff. Of course right when Aizen says "Bankai" or pulls a mask out, it's game over.

Hopefully Ichigo finds a weakness of some sort in Aizen's tactics.

Agreed. From what I've read of the spoilers I think I'll like this chapter. Even though this chapter is also a little chatty, it has people using their abilities together and that's what I wanted.

Despite so many people waiting for progression and whatnot, I think people will go even more bonkers if Kubo rushed things. (I'd be one of those. The top 3 espadas end just felt so rushed and disappointing) I've stated before that I don't mind drawn out fights (to a degree), but rushing into everything won't make anything better. Yes things will get answered (eventually), but on the other side people will be pissed at how it got to that point. (Kubo did bring it on himself though "shrugs") But then again I'm of the weird bunch that could careless about answers and want great fights. I do need my share of breaks inbetween though.

[anime_guru]

Agreed. From what I've read of the spoilers I think I'll like this chapter. Even though this chapter is also a little chatty, it has people using their abilities together and that's what I wanted.

Despite so many people waiting for progression and whatnot, I think people will go even more bonkers if Kubo rushed things. (I'd be one of those. The top 3 espadas end just felt so rushed and disappointing) I've stated before that I don't mind drawn out fights (to a degree), but rushing into everything won't make anything better. Yes things will get answered (eventually), but on the other side people will be pissed at how it got to that point. (Kubo did bring it on himself though "shrugs") But then again I'm of the weird bunch that could careless about answers and want great fights. I do need my share of breaks inbetween though.

the chapter is face paced I won't disagree, but for all of that speed, there's no substance. It goes actually too fast (some panels you don't really see aizen striking his opponents, just the effect thereof). But the final page, if there are hitsugaya fans is much love on that page.

and while shinji and shunsui did a great job, question is if that is truly aizen. Which, I personally doubt that is the real aizen so its tough to say. Kubo can draw well I have to admit...now if only he can write

[Baseball]

the chapter is face paced I won't disagree, but for all of that speed, there's no substance. It goes actually too fast (some panels you don't really see aizen striking his opponents, just the effect thereof). But the final page, if there are hitsugaya fans is much love on that page.

and while shinji and shunsui did a great job, question is if that is truly aizen. Which, I personally doubt that is the real aizen so its tough to say. Kubo can draw well I have to admit...now if only he can write
I think that the fast pacing was actually a nice change. The Espada were okay, but Aizen is so strong that he's literally taking down captains with a swing of his sword--off screen. Komamura, Love, Rose, Lisa, etc. That's half their forces right there, and there's no way he's done yet.

[Captain Highwind]

Lulz at Ichigo, still holding his sword.

This is why shonen jump needs to encourage more team-up fights. It works for Fullmetal Alchemist.

[GWOtaku]

Wow, Aizen was honestly fooled. This may not be the end, but at least he's not totally untouchable.

That said, I can see him putting on a mask and "getting serious." Ichigo's survived wounds just as bad, so this is definitely only the beginning.

[Rud]

Aizen probably has high speed regeneration with his mask on so these wounds are nothing (unless they hit organs). It was awesome how Aizen got Love with Rose's whip.

[soundmonkey44]

Wow...I doubt this is the end..but I hope between hitsugya, soifion & co...they were able to hurt him enough to here Ichigo can take him out...I don't know why...but I find Aizen to be a really jerky villian....I can't wait to see him get killed by Ichigo...but the way things are going...I bet Kubo will drag this out another 20 chapters or so...lol!.....but yea...seeing that sowrd through the middle of Aizens chest on the last page made me EXTREMELY HAPPY!:anime:


also still wondering when Kiskue & Yuroichi are gonna step in....I mean C'mon what are they doing....building some super weapon to nuke Aizen with or somthing? :sweat:

[Mett]

I bet Kubo will drag this out another 20 chapters or so!:anime:
:sweat:

Didn't he say he was going to drag it out until June?

[ShadowGUN]

Pretty good chapter. Better than the spoilers made it sound. Aizen face was priceless when he got stab.

[mumbo]

Didn't he say he was going to drag it out until June?
Well, the arc is supposed to end in June. There's still some loose ends to tie up besides the Aizen fight (Wonderweiss, Yammy, and Gin).

[garfield15]

Now actually reading the chapter, if this was anyone other than Aizen, I'd say this was a great plan and I'd be surprised to see him alive.

Unfortunately this is Aizen.

[Luna]

It was a pretty good chapter....Best part was Aizen being surprised and getting stabbed (I can't stand him,and hope he eventually gets what's coming to him)...Not that he'll go down that easily (I doubt he's really even injured,or if he is,he'll find a way to either get away or heal himself)...

[RockmanDash]

I'm actually starting to think Aizen got hit by that attack, yet it's the last attack the captains are going to be able to throw at him(since the arc ending in June and what we have to fit in before that time comes)

The Shinji, Shunsui, Soi Fong, and Hitsugaya team up was seriously awesome, and Aizen's expression was no joke either of how he got tricked by it, it makes me happy to see this guy actually getting tricked.

[Nel]

That was actually pretty cool. I loved when Aizen saw Shinji standing there with that devious grin on his face. "****. Everything's backwards!" Yeah, forget something? Ha! :D

Of course, it'll all most likely be for nothing, but still awesome to actually see some effective teamwork as opposed to futile one-on-one fights as usual.

[garfield15]

Oh yeah, I will give one more plus to this chapter.

Shinji's "I TROLL U" face when he screwed over Aizen was very awesome.

[nagpo]

It's kind of ridiculous how Ichicgo is still standing there. Just kill Aizen already.

[anime_guru]

It's kind of ridiculous how Ichicgo is still standing there. Just kill Aizen already.

a thought occurred to me...if ichigo hasn't seen aizen's shikai how come he can't be the shinigami's eyes to warn whether that is really aizen or not? it could explain why he stood there foolishly....like wtf are they attacking

[Rud]

It's kind of ridiculous how Ichicgo is still standing there. Just kill Aizen already.Ichigo is probably still wetting himself from Aizen's display of "you cant touch me", he knows from fighting Ulquiorra that all that resolve garbage he always pulls to win wont help him when hes just outclassed.

a thought occurred to me...if ichigo hasn't seen aizen's shikai how come he can't be the shinigami's eyes to warn whether that is really aizen or not? it could explain why he stood there foolishly....like wtf are they attackingThe fact that Ichigo saw Komamura, Love, and Rose fall, and also the fact that Aizen was thinking "Oh crap, everythings backwards" says its not an illusion. If it was an illusion then Aizens thoughts would make no sense.

[anime_guru]

Ichigo is probably still wetting himself from Aizen's display of "you cant touch me", he knows from fighting Ulquiorra that all that resolve garbage he always pulls to win wont help him when hes just outclassed.
The fact that Ichigo saw Komamura, Love, and Rose fall, and also the fact that Aizen was thinking "Oh crap, everythings backwards" says its not an illusion. If it was an illusion then Aizens thoughts would make no sense.

we don't know the extent of aizen's shikai. Recall that halibel was killed by aizen and the first strike may not have happened initially...sufficed to say I am not convinced it is aizen till next week

[Captain Highwind]

Or maybe Ichigo's standing there because he didn't listen and looked right at Aizen's sword.

[Rud]

we don't know the extent of aizen's shikai.whats not to understand?, he can control all your senses completely, thats strait foward.

Besides it doesnt matter, you can tell by Aizens thoughts that this stuff is really happening to him (why would he lie inside his own head?).

[Beat]

Ichigo is probably still wetting himself from Aizen's display of "you cant touch me", .

"Ju-ju-ju-just like the bad guy in Lethal Weapon 2, I've got diplomatic immunity, so Hammer you can't sue."

Wait, that's not what you meant (although I wonder what a Bleach related cutaway on Family Guy would look like).

What it does mean is that in comparison to Captain pwnface, Ichigo is a gnat. He does not have the power or the skill to win here, since Aizen is only using 33% of his power most likely. Unless the old man stops going "Kurosaki-kun" and joins his subordinates, Aizen will be the main villain of the next arc too.

[Jacob T. Paschal]

I figure the past few chapters have been all of a minute or two in-series.

[anime_guru]

whats not to understand?, he can control all your senses completely, thats strait foward.

Besides it doesnt matter, you can tell by Aizens thoughts that this stuff is really happening to him (why would he lie inside his own head?).

he had the same thoughts and same expressions almost verbatim when he offed halibel too...I'm not convinced its aizen till next week

[ShadowGUN]

This week chapter: Yep it was an illusion but Hitsugaya did stab someone.

- Ichigo is stunned. He yells at "WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU DOING?"
- The Soul Reapers are wondering what Ichigo talking about.
- Turn out the combine attack from the previous chapter wasn't use on Aizen.
- It is reveal that Hitsugaya actually stab Momo. Hitsugaya is horrified.
- There some spoiler that mention suicide but it isn't very clear.
That it for the early spoilers.


First Naruto, now Bleach. Seems girls who don't do much in the story are getting stab lately.

[Grave]

This week chapter: Yep it was an illusion but Hitsugaya did stab someone.

- Ichigo is stunned. He yells at "WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU DOING?"
- The Soul Reapers are wondering what Ichigo talking about.
- Turn out the combine attack from the previous chapter wasn't use on Aizen.
- It is reveal that Hitsugaya actually stab Momo. Hitsugaya is horrified.
- There some spoiler that mention suicide but it isn't very clear.
That it for the early spoilers.


First Naruto, now Bleach. Seems girls who don't do much in the story are getting stab lately.

OH ****! I think everyone knew it was an illusion, but wow, I didn't see that coming at all. YAY! Sorry, mean moment.

[bigdeath]

Wow, sounds like a wonderful chapter. Expect many looks of shock. Pretty common for bleach, no?

[Mett]

I'm thinking fake, its too early for spoilers.

EDIT: Maybe its not fake if its coming from ShadowGUN, his new avatar threw me off, but damn its pretty early to be getting spoilers.

[Grave]

Been getting early spoilers for quite some time now. If I'm not mistaken week before last, the spoilers (for all 3 series) came out on Monday, as well as one of them days in January.

[garfield15]

This week chapter: Yep it was an illusion but Hitsugaya did stab someone.

- Ichigo is stunned. He yells at "WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU DOING?"
- The Soul Reapers are wondering what Ichigo talking about.
- Turn out the combine attack from the previous chapter wasn't use on Aizen.
- It is reveal that Hitsugaya actually stab Momo. Hitsugaya is horrified.
- There some spoiler that mention suicide but it isn't very clear.
That it for the early spoilers.


First Naruto, now Bleach. Seems girls who don't do much in the story are getting stab lately.Well, Kubo, I'll give you credit, you did let something happen...

(Though suicide...really? She's going to kill herself after she just took that level in badass?)

[Mett]

Well, Kubo, I'll give you credit, you did let something happen...

(Though suicide...really? She's going to kill herself after she just took that level in badass?)

I thought the suicide part was Hitsugaya killing himself :p

[ShadowGUN]

Well, Kubo, I'll give you credit, you did let something happen...

(Though suicide...really? She's going to kill herself after she just took that level in badass?)

The person who translate the spoiler wasn't very clear about the suicide part. For all we know one of the Soul Reaper might be trying a suicide attack on Aizen rather than one of them comiting suicide for failling to kill Aizen.

[Lelouch]

While I thought it would be an illusion, I wasn't expecting it to be Momo. That was good, Kubo.

[Captain Highwind]

Wow. But remember, people don't die in Bleach...looks like somebody's sitting out a good majority of the next arc...again! ^^

[garfield15]

I thought the suicide part was Hitsugaya killing himself :p
Ah, that would make more sense.

[anime_guru]

plus if this spoiler is true then yay kill off the weaker links
now boo because we may see toshiro be all emo -_-;

I mean I am not nearly phased by this. I mean as it was said we all knew this was an illusion, we just didn't know who would be stabbed. But momo? Psychologically and theoretically good choice. In a practical sense it makes zero sernse...

anyway all I know is that I am still not really phased by this development if the spoiler is true (and it makes sense if it was true)

That said (and yet again) next =/

[Grave]

My only question(s) are why the heck was Momo there in the first place? Kira healed her? Does that mean Matsumoto's been fully healed as well? Is that old man finally going to do something?

[ShadowGUN]

Who knows? Maybe she was trying to reach Aizen. To make him see the errors of his ways.

[Beat]

Man, the Soul Society is about as ineffectual as a farmer with a shotgun. They can't even touch Aizen. I mean, barring Ichigo suddenly getting a Halcannon, can we logically expect orange-hair to defeat Captain Pwnface?

[Lelouch]

Man, the Soul Society is about as ineffectual as a farmer with a shotgun. They can't even touch Aizen. I mean, barring Ichigo suddenly getting a Halcannon, can we logically expect orange-hair to defeat Captain Pwnface?


No. No we cannot. However, I can see Hichigo easily doing the job.

[Mr. Anime]

So we're back to square one again.

[anime_guru]

So we're back to square one again.

and yet we all act surprised. Momo there makes as much sense as Aizen being sliced from last week...especially without any adequately explored reason above (I randomly moved off panel)
I mean I'm sorry I am not buying it even if it is canon and the spoilers are true, even the mere descriptions of the execution sucks (and it has been that way for a bit)

I think all I want is a bleach where the writer/artist actually plans how to end things instead of being written into a corner and then thinking what is the next way to mess with people...

You know what? Surprised I am saying this, but I want yammy v kenpachi and byakuya. At least I get a laugh and not a monotonous yawn and a sigh

[Demonic Raven]

Kyoka Suigetsu + Flash Step = Get owned, Momo.

Aizen is certainly fast enough and smart enough, so there you go. Poor Momo...but at the same time, I want to see some solid Shinigami casualties for once. But then again, Momo is another one of those inordinately popular character, so probably not.

[Mr. Obsession]

I knew the look on Aizen’s face last chapter was too good to last. Pity.

I have to admit I was expecting either Aizen to pull out a mask or bankai, not this. But if it results in an actual casualty for the good guys then I’ll take it.

[Beat]

So, just because this arc ends doesn't mean they still won't be chasing Aizen in the next arc right? Kubo promised an end to Hueco Mundo and the fake Kakura town, not an end to Aizen. Which barring "Mr. T- Shinigami Captain" suddenly appearing, doesn't appear to be in the cards.

[anime_guru]

So, just because this arc ends doesn't mean they still won't be chasing Aizen in the next arc right? Kubo promised an end to Hueco Mundo and the fake Kakura town, not an end to Aizen. Which barring "Mr. T- Shinigami Captain" suddenly appearing, doesn't appear to be in the cards.

I much prefer the theory that gin has been working for division 0 personally, as much of a copout as it would be, it can't be nearly as bad as the trainwreck we are subjected to now...


Kyoka Suigetsu + Flash Step = Get owned, Momo.

Aizen is certainly fast enough and smart enough, so there you go.

all not even drawn out? I dunno I'm just calling this entire business...on what's the word sketchy...

In deeper thought and not OMG it is getting worse. I half expect spoilers involving the other captains, but if this is true, what are you going to do honestly? Stomach it I guess

[Grave]

However, I can see Hichigo easily doing the job.

Easily? I don't know, I've long since gotten over that Hichigo craze when Ichigo beat him, so I'm not convinced that Ichi/Hichigo can beat Aizen either.

[RockmanDash]

Easily? I don't know, I've long since gotten over that Hichigo craze when Ichigo beat him, so I'm not convinced that Ichi/Hichigo can beat Aizen either.

Did you forget that Ichigo couldn't even he beat Ulquorria and his hollow took over and killed him just by going crazy? Tite Kubo changes how powerful a character is a lot(Hitsugaya is the best example for this), I wouldn't be surprised if Ichigo's hollow has developed big time since the last time we saw him in the manga.

HiIchigo probably would be able to at least land a few hits, but from he is, he would probably rush in laughing like he always does.

[Grave]

Did you forget that Ichigo couldn't even he beat Ulquorria and his hollow took over and killed him just by going crazy? Tite Kubo changes how powerful a character is a lot(Hitsugaya is the best example for this), I wouldn't be surprised if Ichigo's hollow has developed big time since the last time we saw him in the manga.

HiIchigo probably would be able to at least land a few hits, but from he is, he would probably rush in laughing like he always does.

That's not convincing at all.

[RockmanDash]

That's not convincing at all.

How is it not? His hollow form obviously has gotten a whole lot stronger than he is since the last time we saw it, and this is Tite Kubo for crying out loud, he can make whoever he wants stronger. =p You can't put realistic logic in this anymore.

And if your still saying it's not convincing, look at Hitsugaya. Beginning of the arrancar arc he couldn't even hold his own against the weakest kind of arrancar, yet randomly now he can hold his own against the third Espada just because he's Hitsugaya. It's just the way the writing works.

Seriously I gave up on thinking the whole "Well it's obvious that person is stronger than that one because in that chapter-" ever since late Hueco Mundo. xP And it's not like I'm disagreeing with you either, but there is a chance hollow Ichigo is Ichigo's only way of actually even beating Aizen at all at this rate, I don't see how it's not possible for his hollow not to be at least around the same level as Aizen.(or at least in that form he had in the Ulquorria fight)

[Grave]

How is it not? His hollow form obviously has gotten a whole lot stronger than he is since the last time we saw it, and this is Tite Kubo for crying out loud, he can make whoever he wants stronger. =p You can't put realistic logic in this anymore.

And if your still saying it's not convincing, look at Hitsugaya. Beginning of the arrancar arc he couldn't even hold his own against the weakest kind of arrancar, yet randomly now he can hold his own against the third Espada just because he's Hitsugaya. It's just the way the writing works.


That pretty much sums up why it's not convincing for me. I'll even echo what you said. Hitsugaya was pretty much the weakest captain of the bunch at the beginning of the arrancar arc. Yet, now he was able to fight evenly against Halibel making him stronger than both Ulquiorra and Ichigo with his mask on. So yes, I am not convinced Ichigo/Hollow Ichigo will be able to beat Aizen especially when we have no idea what his bankai can do nor do we know if Aizen has hollowfication powers or not (heck, I don't believe he can beat the old man either), but I suppose with Ichigo falling into that trope of being the main character, of course he's going to win. I just don't think he's gonna win during this arc.


And for crying out loud, please stop using the "it's ________, he can do whatever" argument. Yes we get. He can do whatever he want with his characters, but in the end he has to please his audience, and from what I can see (coming from this forum alone) he's not winning there. (I'm neutral on that though, or rather I'm both pleased and not pleased)

[Neo Ultra Mike]

originally posted by Megaman X
And if your still saying it's not convincing, look at Hitsugaya. Beginning of the arrancar arc he couldn't even hold his own against the weakest kind of arrancar, yet randomly now he can hold his own against the third Espada just because he's Hitsugaya. It's just the way the writing works.

To be fair his battle against Grimmjow's Fraccion had him at reduced, 20% of his regular power. At 100% he easily killed the Fraccion. The more fair comparsion was that at 100% it took one of his ultimate moves to kill Luppi, the Replacement Number 6 who was weaker then Grimmjow. So yeah it is pretty bullcrap he would of stood any chance against Harribel (truthfully I would redo the entire three Espda fights over since all of them were full of stupid bullcrap like that) but I still hold onto some believe Ichigo will get some supposed ultra power up to take on Aizen if he's going down in this arc. I mean really since Ichigo can't win a fight strategically most of his fights just come from either determination, grit or last second power up saving him.

[Grave]

I will admit, while I was never a fan of Hitsugaya, I never did hate him. His fandom got on my nerves quite a bit though, but throughout his fight with Halibel up to now (even though I still hate that he was able to go toe-to-toe with her, and some random off the wall remarks that had me rolling my eyes at him) that he has grown onto me quite a bit. Don't be surprised if you see me sporting Hitsugaya avatars someday lol. Now all we gotta do is work on Ichigo, Rukia, Orihime, Chad, Soifon (again) Uryuu, Renji and Momo and then I'll be set :p I don't think I'll ever like Omaeda and Mayuri.

[Lelouch]

Well, the thing that makes me thing Hichigo really is powerful is his last words to Ichigo when he defeated him...

"If you really want to see (use?) my power, stay alive until the next time I show up."

Or something along those lines. So, at the very least we know that he has a considerable amount of power. However, I agree that Aizen still has his mask and bankai to rely on. In all honesty, I am still expecting (hoping) that Gin straight up betrays Aizen and is the final boss.

[RockmanDash]

And for crying out loud, please stop using the "it's ________, he can do whatever" argument. Yes we get. He can do whatever he want with his characters, but in the end he has to please his audience, and from what I can see (coming from this forum alone) he's not winning there. (I'm neutral on that though, or rather I'm both pleased and not pleased)

Your missing the point xP I think it's pretty dang obvious we know that he can do whatever he wants with his characters, what I'm saying is that it's true that he has to please his audience but that doesn't change the fact that the story can change and shape differently simply because he likes a new idea better. Not everything that he makes happen is simply to please(or it wasn't like that at a good number of moments that made us shocked at least once in a while)

Anyway it's a pretty dumb argument considering the fact that like I said we haven't seen Hollow Ichigo for ages, hopefully he has a big role in the next big arc.

And going with what Lelouch said, Gin betrayal= awesome.

[Grave]

Well, the thing that makes me thing Hichigo really is powerful is his last words to Ichigo when he defeated him...

"If you really want to see (use?) my power, stay alive until the next time I show up."

Or something along those lines. So, at the very least we know that he has a considerable amount of power. However, I agree that Aizen still has his mask and bankai to rely on. In all honesty, I am still expecting (hoping) that Gin straight up betrays Aizen and is the final boss.

I hope no one is thinking that I'm saying Ichigo/Hichigo is weak because I certainly don't think that. I just don't think he'll be able to beat Aizen in this arc. To me, Aizen is like a more pimped out version of Naraku. :p

I might have to read where Ichigo beat Hichigo (Hichigo... seriously, who came up with that? lol)

Gin betraying Aizen would certainly be nice and quite the twist.

[RockmanDash]

I hope no one is thinking that I'm saying Ichigo/Hichigo is weak because I certainly don't think that. I just don't think he'll be able to beat Aizen in this arc. To me, Aizen is like a more pimped out version of Naraku. :p


If Aizen was like Naraku, he would just run away if he gets defeated. :p (or the Aizen they were fighting was just a "puppet")



..Oh and I caught onto the spoilers rather late. So uh...

Hitsugaya: I got him...

Ichigo: HITSUGAYA WHAT THE *** ARE YOU DOING!

Momo: Oh lord TOSHIRO WHYYY!!!!!!!!!!!! ...You know..it's kind of odd that I'm getting stabbed again.....oh right. *bleeds to death*

Hitsugaya: ....Impossible but where..

Aizen: Can't touch this!

Was that mostly the chapter? :p

[Grave]

If Aizen was like Naraku, he would just run away if he gets defeated. :p (or the Aizen they were fighting was just a "puppet")

Well, Aizen did run away at the end of the SS arc, but I call that a tactical retreat :). To clarify what I mean by being like Naraku was him being the one and only main big villain in the series.

[anime_guru]

If Aizen was like Naraku, he would just run away if he gets defeated. :p (or the Aizen they were fighting was just a "puppet")



..Oh and I caught onto the spoilers rather late. So uh...

Hitsugaya: I got him...

Ichigo: HITSUGAYA WHAT THE *** ARE YOU DOING!

Momo: Oh lord TOSHIRO WHYYY!!!!!!!!!!!! ...You know..it's kind of odd that I'm getting stabbed again.....oh right. *bleeds to death*

Hitsugaya: ....Impossible but where..

Aizen: Can't touch this!

Was that mostly the chapter? :p

if the spoilers are true, yes
though aizen in parachute pants would be funny...perhaps even a song cue =) with him saying halibel can touch him if she wasn't dead
...
oh the possibilities

[FireStarterLE]

This week chapter: Yep it was an illusion but Hitsugaya did stab someone.

- Ichigo is stunned. He yells at "WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU DOING?"
- The Soul Reapers are wondering what Ichigo talking about.
- Turn out the combine attack from the previous chapter wasn't use on Aizen.
- It is reveal that Hitsugaya actually stab Momo. Hitsugaya is horrified.
- There some spoiler that mention suicide but it isn't very clear.
That it for the early spoilers.


First Naruto, now Bleach. Seems girls who don't do much in the story are getting stab lately.

More detailed spoilers, I guess the Hitsugaya stuff is legit


- Aizen’s body was embodied by flower-shaped ice
- The Aizen mirage inside the ice becomes Hinamori
- The ice flower broke… Hinamori’s body disappeared with the shattering hails. Hitsugaya knelt and screamed in pain
- Soi Fon charged towards Aizen, easily beat.
- Shunsui attacks, Aizen use a Hado attack and mashes Shunsui under boulders
- The sky rumbles. Unohana and Ichigo look up to the two figures that came down from the black hole in the sky


so is this a "na-na-na-naa, hey hey hey, goodbye" moment?

[Fool's Gil]

This week chapter: Yep it was an illusion but Hitsugaya did stab someone.

- Ichigo is stunned. He yells at "WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU DOING?"
- The Soul Reapers are wondering what Ichigo talking about.
- Turn out the combine attack from the previous chapter wasn't use on Aizen.
- It is reveal that Hitsugaya actually stab Momo. Hitsugaya is horrified.
- There some spoiler that mention suicide but it isn't very clear.
That it for the early spoilers.


First Naruto, now Bleach. Seems girls who don't do much in the story are getting stab lately.

I had to read that twice, just to make sure I read that right, and now I'm not sure if I should start laughing, or stay silent. And then I thought out Aizen's ability and realized that the effect of his shikai is permanent after releasing once, so fridge logic turns into fridge brilliance. However I still have a question:

When did Aizen and Momo switch? The Soul Reaper attacks were constant, so unless you're telling me Momo sliced up Komamura and the others-impossible very much so- than it doesn't make since how she can be caught up in that final attack.

[Beat]

Unless those two figures are Chuck Norris and Mr. T I don't see what they'll do. I mean, Ichigo beat both of those other captains in clean fights, and he can't even scratch Captain pwnface.

[Mett]

I had to read that twice, just to make sure I read that right, and now I'm not sure if I should start laughing, or stay silent. And then I thought out Aizen's ability and realized that the effect of his shikai is permanent after releasing once, so fridge logic turns into fridge brilliance. However I still have a question:

When did Aizen and Momo switch? The Soul Reaper attacks were constant, so unless you're telling me Momo sliced up Komamura and the others-impossible very much so- than it doesn't make since how she can be caught up in that final attack.

He used the replacement jutsu! Wouldn't it be hilarious if the ice shattered and all there was was a diced up log? :p

[Neo Ultra Mike]

Time for some spoiler parodies.


Aizen’s body was embodied by flower-shaped ice

Hitsuguya: He was frozen to-day!
Hirako: Wow is that the third time you were able to freeze someone you had no logical way of beating?
Hitsuguya: Hey I only had one... or two bullcrap victories. This was the power of teamwork. In your smug face Aizen!


- The Aizen mirage inside the ice becomes Hinamori

Hitsuguya: ...WHAT?!
Ichigo: That's what I was trying to tell you! I was like "why are you attacking that girl i think I only met once in fillers" instead of Aizen?
Hitsguya: Why didn't you tell me this before?
Ichigo: I was too shocked/waiting for the right moment to get a last minute out of nowhere power up that actually wins this fight.
Hirako: What makes you think your going to win this time anyway?
Ichigo: Because I made a promise to kill Aizen, and by Shonen logic no matter how ridicolous the circustmances, sooner or later that's going to pay off.


- The ice flower broke… Hinamori’s body disappeared with the shattering hails. Hitsugaya knelt and screamed in pain

Soi Fon: Wait a minute, when did Aizen switch out with Hinamori anyway? We've been hammering him non stop.
Aizen: Maybe it was during that big speech you were making about captain ethics.
Soi Fon: But in Bleach standards that still counts as hammering someone non stop.
Aizen: I am beyond all standards. Besides you used Shadow clone jutsu right? What makes you think I can't do the same thing?
Hitsuguya: Oh thank god. That means that Momo is actually a log.
Aizen: No that's the real Momo all right.
Hitsuguya: NOOOOOOOOOO! (Cries and screams in pain)
Aizen: Wow... that'd look ridicolous if it was drawn by Oda.


- Soi Fon charged towards Aizen, easily beat.

Aizen: Oh yes like Miss not even using Bankai with one arm would stand a chance against me, especially when I'm in actually kill hero mode.
Hirako: That's an actually kill people mode in this series?
Aizen: Yup. I borrowed it from Kishimoto, which is why his annoying fangirl character clings to life while ours finally dies. I know I thought that the last time I killed her, but I think ice breaking into pieces with someone inside it actually does mean inescapable death so long as you aren't the one breaking the ice or something.


- Shunsui attacks, Aizen use a Hado attack and mashes Shunsui under boulders

Shunsui: Hey where did boulders come from? Weren't we fighting in a mock representation of Karkura town?
Aizen: Boudlers, rubble, whatever. Point is you were pwned much like everything else I touch.


- The sky rumbles. Unohana and Ichigo look up to the two figures that came down from the black hole in the sky

Ichigo: Oh my god who could they be?
Unohana: That's a good question. We could go with extreme fanboyism and say Urhara and Yourouchi. We could go with extreme extreme fanboyism and say Isshin and Ryuken. Or we could go with the no way in hell of actually happening tag team of Chuck Norris and Mr. T, the only two people who realistically might stand a chance against Aizen at this point.
Ichigo: How can you say realstically they'd stand a chance?
Unohana: The power of them worknig together is said to alter the entire universe and make any impossibilty a possiblity, if you believe random jokes posted on the internet anyway.

You know

Though I don't hate Momo I'm hoping that she is dead if only so we can actually have a death in this series. Seriously One Piece is having one and Naruto... just had a villians death so we're pretty close to some actual loss of character life if this is to be believed, which I hope it is.

[garfield15]

You know what,

There is really only one person who can beat Aizen at this point
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SanWyvMQunI

[anime_guru]

You know what,

There is really only one person who can beat Aizen at this point
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SanWyvMQunI

I was thinking
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgAPFKDL6Sg
(nsfw)
though such a fight between either would be funny

[FireStarterLE]

teh fake spoilers are :shrug: ...
but anyways about the chapter


Momo getting stabbed and Hitsu losing it were true.

Aizen takes out Kira/Iba (who were looking after the previously hurt Momo but since Aizen swapped places with her, he's beside them now and cuts them down).

To end the chapter Aizen cuts down Kyoraku, SoiFon, Hitsugaya, and Shinji who all charged him

*a color page (a popularity poll) shows Ichigio having given past opponents a valentines.


so basically

More of Aizen showing his power. Hopefully now that most of the extras are taken care of we can finally get down to business.

btw Ichigo, your not being affected by KS hasn't really helped anyone yet

*Total opponents Aizen has beaten within the past 3 chapters: 10.
Total left standing from the end of chapter 388 where everyone gathered around Ichigo and it said "An all out war ... they can't lose!!" 3 (Omaeda, Lisa, Ichigo)

[Baseball]

Actually, Lisa got her neck slashed last chapter. So it's Omaeda, Ichigo, Kensei, Yamamoto, and his lieutenant.

[Beat]

So in other words...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXSxvFeI88Y

[zoombie]

Well what part of Ichigo is the only one amun to Aizen's powers is so hard to understand? Let Ichigo finish the job, he is the only that can. For some reason, he won't fall of Aizen's tricks. You just giving Aizen a built excuse for losing.

As for lack of death, I disagree, Tosen is dead, I think all of the Espadas are dead and Grand Fisher is dead. They kill off people.

[Fool's Gil]

So read the chapter. As it turned out I was wrong about Aizen's shikai affect:


When did you start thinking I wasn't using Kyoka Suigetsu?

Cue tiny flashback of Hitsu first rushing Aizen.

Someone else help me make since of all this, cuz what I'm getting now is Aizen called his Shikai without anyone noticing or hearing, sliced up Koma and the others, and during the standoff with Soi Fon he just switched places with Momo, and Momo stopped the 2 step kill of Soi Fon, just in time for the entire assault? Or Something?

[FireStarterLE]

As for lack of death, I disagree, Tosen is dead, I think all of the Espadas are dead and Grand Fisher is dead. They kill off people.

Well at this point it's still only the bad guys who die, Momo could be the first but based on injuries from the past .. she'll probably make it


Actually, Lisa got her neck slashed last chapter. So it's Omaeda, Ichigo, Kensei, Yamamoto, and his lieutenant

Oh yeah forgot about that. So this is what we have to work with:
Kensei must be locked in eternal combat with Wonderweiss.
Omaeda vs. Aizen/Gin uhhh .....
Yamamoto is apparently sleeping and his Lt. was defeated easily by Ichigo in the SS Arc.
And Ichigo is a spectator.

Victory ... looks ... bleak

[Demonic Raven]

Actually, Lisa got her neck slashed last chapter. So it's Omaeda, Ichigo, Kensei, Yamamoto, and his lieutenant.
Also Unohana and Hachi (he's still partially functional, even with one hand). My prediction for the battle lines:

Yamamoto Vs. Aizen: Yamamoto wakes up from his nappy nap and realizes s***'s gotten serious and it's time to do something. This is most likely a time filler for Ichigo to get his act together just in time to step in when Yama gets owned.

Ichigo Vs. Gin: And here's exactly where Ichigo is going to get his act together...because he's not going to have much of a choice. He always manages to rise to the occasion, so Gin is going to be a necessary barrier for Ichigo to overcome in order to face down Aizen and actually stand a chance.

Unohana Vs. Wonderweiss: Kensei will probably have trouble keeping up, even with Mask + Bankai, especially if WW goes Resurrecion on him. Unohana stepping in to curbstomp him would be awesome, but who knows.

This seems reasonable, barring a few anomalies. Any of the people in HM could pop in, for one thing. Perhaps one of the downed people will reveal that they're not actually in that bad of a condition. I'm thinking Shinji and Kyoraku, who still need to reveal Bankai, could recover in the future.

[Rud]

Wow, i loved the look on Shunsui's face when he was yelling for Hitsugaya to wait, priceless. Once again Aizen is untouchable, hope Yamamoto makes his move now.

[zoombie]

Well at this point it's still only the bad guys who die, Momo could be the first but based on injuries from the past .. she'll probably make it

Well Tosen and some of the Espadas like Halibel sort of turned good in death. I wouldn't call them bad guys, just misguided and finally seeing the light at the end.

But I get your point.

And she will probably make it. It takes a lot to kill someone in the series. When Hisagi stabbed him I thought Tosen was dead for sure, but he survived that. And we have enough miracle worker healers on the good guy sides, that things will be okay for good guys that are seriously injured.

[RockmanDash]

...Wow Hitsugaya got owned badly. Oh and did anyone see the message on the bottom of the last page?

"Bleach will be on hiatus starting next week so the Author can work on upcoming chapters"


W-what? o_o

[ShadowGUN]

...Wow Hitsugaya got owned badly. Oh and did anyone see the message on the bottom of the last page?

"Bleach will be on hiatus starting next week so the Author can work on upcoming chapters"


W-what? o_o

I really,really, really hope that it week or two hiatus. Because if it longer than that.... :mad:.

[Demonic Raven]

And she will probably make it. It takes a lot to kill someone in the series. When Hisagi stabbed him I thought Tosen was dead for sure, but he survived that. And we have enough miracle worker healers on the good guy sides, that things will be okay for good guys that are seriously injured.Ichigo died both times when he got pierced through the chest (hand through the chest, cero through the chest), so a blade through the chest is a strong mark of death. Of course Ichigo got better, but Momo isn't so lucky. Even if Unohana (who's still busy with Hiyori) were to get over to her like...right now, she's already good as dead. Granted, Momo is far too popular, so the chances of her staying dead seem slim, even if it means Orihime has to use reality hax.

Also, I believe the hiatus is only for next week. Bleach should be back two weeks from now.

[zoombie]

If Momo dies, I am selling my stock in Squad 5. They don't even have any noteable 3rd seat characters. Just nameless extras.

[Beat]

"Bleach will be on hiatus starting next week so the Author can work on upcoming chapters"


W-what? o_o

Maybe Kishimoto realized working deadline to deadline wasn't the best idea.

[zoombie]

Granted, Momo is far too popular, so the chances of her staying dead seem slim, even if it means Orihime has to use reality hax.


God I hope so, I don't care so much about Momo, but I want to see Orihime again. Any excuse I don't care bring her back.

[rubberchicken]

Maybe Kishimoto realized working deadline to deadline wasn't the best idea.

And then sent the message to Kubo via telepathy.

[Mett]

So many good guys falling left and right, makes me think we will be seeing Isshin or Urahara coming in. (I hope so anyway!)

[Grave]

Wow, this chapter was also done nicely. That's a big wing on Hitsugaya. Makes me wonder if he lost an arm or something along with it.

Btw, I don't see anything about Kubo going on hiatus. :confused:

[veemonjosh]

Btw, I don't see anything about Kubo going on hiatus. :confused:

Look at the bottom of the two-page spread at the end.

[anime_guru]

So in other words...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXSxvFeI88Y

LMAO I was just thinking of this when I thought of aizen and can't touch this song
as for the chapter it was short and as usual draw well. But my pet peeve it was drawn lazily though. Why I say this?
Everyone was cut off panel - again! I mean seriously if once wasn't enough its two weeks in a row.
And why didn't Ichigo stop them is beyond me but hey maybe with a hiatus we can get a story out of kubo...a good one
or the end of the kenpachi fight at the very least

[Grave]

Look at the bottom of the two-page spread at the end.

Ah, I read a different translation. No wonder I didn't see it.

[Lelouch]

Just for clarification, Bleach is just taking a break next week. It'll be back the following.

So, I have a slight theory on how this will work, I shall ramble a bit here...

Well, I haven't been silent in my stubborness to believe Hall and Starrk are actually dead. I still think they are alive. Or at least Lillinette in the case of Starrk. I say this because generally in Bleach if we don't see them ACTUALLY die then they are most likely alive. And being slashed doesn't count in Bleach as being killed, we all know this isn't the case. So. Ichigo has been waiting for his moment. I think one of those two will give him the opening. Whichever it may be, they will die while the other survives and becomes "good," so to speak. With this opening Ichigo will get in a strike, but of course this is Aizen so it won't be enough to finish things. He puts Ichigo under hypnosis. However, Hichigo steps in and sees through them.

And then I'm not so sure. Hichigo and Ichigo could put aside their differences and teamup, or Hichigo can just go crazy. This leads SS to not trust Ichigo and also decide his friends are too dangerous. This sets up for the next arc where Isshin steps in to help protect his son. Oh and somewhere in this Urahara and Yoruichi show up...just not sure where. Unohana will also get a fight. Maybe with WW...but I'd rather she fought Gin. And loses.

*cough*

OR...Ulquiorra/Nel/Grimmjaw help Orihime and gang get to FKT and they join the fight. Ishida gets owned easily while Chad's power manifests to his whole body and he kicks some ass. Ulqui/Nel/Grimm all assist Ichigo but they end up losing. Orihime decides enough is enough and erases Aizen from existence.

...yeah...Imma say that is a crack theory.

[Beat]

And then sent the message to Kubo via telepathy.

They're both the same level of screw up-ness as far as I'm concerned. *Hits self for typo*

[anime_guru]

Just for clarification, Bleach is just taking a break next week. It'll be back the following.

So, I have a slight theory on how this will work, I shall ramble a bit here...

Well, I haven't been silent in my stubborness to believe Hall and Starrk are actually dead. I still think they are alive. Or at least Lillinette in the case of Starrk. I say this because generally in Bleach if we don't see them ACTUALLY die then they are most likely alive. And being slashed doesn't count in Bleach as being killed, we all know this isn't the case. So. Ichigo has been waiting for his moment. I think one of those two will give him the opening. Whichever it may be, they will die while the other survives and becomes "good," so to speak. With this opening Ichigo will get in a strike, but of course this is Aizen so it won't be enough to finish things. He puts Ichigo under hypnosis. However, Hichigo steps in and sees through them.

And then I'm not so sure. Hichigo and Ichigo could put aside their differences and teamup, or Hichigo can just go crazy. This leads SS to not trust Ichigo and also decide his friends are too dangerous. This sets up for the next arc where Isshin steps in to help protect his son. Oh and somewhere in this Urahara and Yoruichi show up...just not sure where. Unohana will also get a fight. Maybe with WW...but I'd rather she fought Gin. And loses.

*cough*

OR...Ulquiorra/Nel/Grimmjaw help Orihime and gang get to FKT and they join the fight. Ishida gets owned easily while Chad's power manifests to his whole body and he kicks some ass. Ulqui/Nel/Grimm all assist Ichigo but they end up losing. Orihime decides enough is enough and erases Aizen from existence.

...yeah...Imma say that is a crack theory.

I like the theory of Gin being in kahoots with the royal guard myself

[zoombie]

The fact that Gin is not dead yet, gives creditability that he is the mastermind after all and the final boss in this arc. If it is that way, it would be similar to another Shonen series Rosario + Vampire, Kiria the apperant second in command to Hokuto, but really Kiria was minipulating Hokuto. Hokuto and Kiria look like Aizen and Gin respectively.

Also another Shonen series Fairy Tail in which Ultear was minipulating Gerald the whole time. Though Houkuto and Kiria come more to mind due to their looks.

This arc is suppose to end in June? If so, how are they going to streach this out?