Bleach 195. Current manga discussion. *MAJOR SPOILERS!*

[Neo Ultra Mike]

Originally posted by GWOtaku
I'll be curious to see who matches against Gin and Tousen.

Probably Unohana actually if we are suppose to see a battle from her sometime this year.


Originally posted by Lelouch
Grimmjaw? Or is he considered just an evil good guy?

Dark Anti Heroish since last I checked he mainly just cared about beating Ichigo at any cost. Not about following Aizen or his whims.

Anyway guess I'll be the individual and point out I am NOT liking the way this plot line is going. Yes the pacing is ridicolously slow but really rushing to the final battle with Aizen dosen't solve that. If anything it makes the pacing look even worse "Yeah instead of taking my time with things I'll just rush them so it looks even more ridicolous". And I'm calling serious bullcrap if Ichigo is suppose to be as strong as Aizen now. I mean really like I said before powering up because he came so close to death a few times? Well that is just outright STEALING from Dragonball Z. Then again Bleach does enough of that already but it still feels like a rather big cheat. Especially considering this is all happening in a row without any conieved downtime ever since Ichigo and the others first entered Hueco Mundo. Really we just can't throw away how stupid the general idea is just because it actually makes the plot go forward enough. That's not the sign of actually enjoying the manga: That's a sign of being sick of it and wanting to see something else. Which is just plain bad storytelling.

[Grave]

I stopped trying to following whatever plot there is a long time ago.

[RockmanDash]

Probably Unohana actually if we are suppose to see a battle from her sometime this year.



Dark Anti Heroish since last I checked he mainly just cared about beating Ichigo at any cost. Not about following Aizen or his whims.

Anyway guess I'll be the individual and point out I am NOT liking the way this plot line is going. Yes the pacing is ridicolously slow but really rushing to the final battle with Aizen dosen't solve that. If anything it makes the pacing look even worse "Yeah instead of taking my time with things I'll just rush them so it looks even more ridicolous". And I'm calling serious bullcrap if Ichigo is suppose to be as strong as Aizen now. I mean really like I said before powering up because he came so close to death a few times? Well that is just outright STEALING from Dragonball Z. Then again Bleach does enough of that already but it still feels like a rather big cheat. Especially considering this is all happening in a row without any conieved downtime ever since Ichigo and the others first entered Hueco Mundo. Really we just can't throw away how stupid the general idea is just because it actually makes the plot go forward enough. That's not the sign of actually enjoying the manga: That's a sign of being sick of it and wanting to see something else. Which is just plain bad storytelling.


You might as well be saying tons of other anime are stealing from DBZ as well.:p

[garfield15]

You might as well be saying tons of other anime are stealing from DBZ as well.:pYusuke's Spirit Gun is also blue!

Wow, the blonde hair on Naruto sure looks familiar!

And...huh, never saw it this way before
http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/7772/luffyvsgokubyaeskawah.jpg

(^^I freaking love that picture)

[RockmanDash]

Don't forget that Naruto wears orange because the writer was INSPIRED by the character Goku.

[garfield15]

Don't forget that Naruto wears orange because the writer was INSPIRED by the character Goku.
Oh yeah, "inspired." And he also has spiky blonde hair because it's sudden "inspiration" :p

(This post is not to be taken seriously)

[RockmanDash]

Oh yeah, "inspired." And he also has spiky blonde hair because it's sudden "inspiration" :p

(This post is not to be taken seriously)

Hey come on! Just saying what he told us :p

[veemonjosh]

Surviving an attack that should have killed you drastically raises your spiritual pressure, which is definitely why Ichigo is so strong now.

So, basically, Shinigami are Saiyans? :p

[Grave]

So, basically, Shinigami are Saiyans? :p

Just Ichigo.

[Neo Ultra Mike]

Yeah that's what I'm saying: Having that powerup for Ichigo just makes the story increidbly cheap and unfair and makes it hard for me to care. I mean why should I be interested in Bleach if I know Ichigo will win every battle just by powering up because he gets the crap kicked out of him and have a different looking mask? At least with Naruto and One Piece the powerups seem more unique or at least come from a more rational source then just "I got strong because I got the crap kicked out of me again". And like I said just because the arc is seeimginly ended dosen't mean the pacing is bad. Now i t's trying to overcompensate which rally just shows how piss poor it really is.

[Mr. Obsession]

I could understand complaining about Bleach's powerup logic if Kubo decided to reveal just now how it worked, but it was introduced basicly at the begining of the series.


I mean why should I be interested in Bleach if I know Ichigo will win every battle just by powering up because he gets the crap kicked out of him and have a different looking mask?
Grand Fisher was more or less a draw.
Byakuya massicured him the first time the met.
His fight against Kenpachi was a draw (even if Kenpachi says otherwise).
His real fight against Byakuya was a draw (Byakuya gave up and flash stepped away, Ichigo was so spent he couldn't even move)
Thanks to Ichigo's hollow, Yammy would have killed him had Urahara not stepped in.
Ichigo would have died at the end of both his first and second fights with Grimmjow had someone else not stepped in.
The first time he tried to fight Ulquiorra ended badly for Ichigo.
Nnotoira tossed Ichigo around like a ragdoll.
Ulquiorra was finally killed of by Beserk Automode Hollow Body Ichigo. Even Ichigo admits he didn't win.
And most recently Ichigo didn't do much against released Yammy.

Yep. Bleach sure is a snoozefest since Ichigo wins every one of his fights through the magic of powerups. :p

[GWOtaku]

Also, I think there is a power-up logic that is specific to Ichigo. Hints keep being dropped that he's changing and has been changing since the Byakuya fight, and the last Ulquiorra fight was likely an even bigger turning point. Ichigo is seemingly going through something entirely unique that could well surprise even the Vaizards.

[Captain Highwind]

There was bankai training in the Soul Society arc, remember? He just had to quick grind in the Las Noches because the whole thing takes place in an even smaller amount of time. He didn't really have time to say, "Sorry Inoue, I'll come back later I gotta train." Also remember, Ichigo has an absurd amount of spiritual pressure, which they have yet to fully disclose why (I'm still holding onto the theory of him having ties to the original King of Soul Society)

And Naruto has some cheap stuff that seems to never change too.

"Yay, I got him!"

"Nu-uh--substitution jutsu!"

[Grave]

And Naruto has some cheap stuff that seems to never change too.

"Yay, I got him!"

"Nu-uh--substitution jutsu!"

lol. But substitutions are expected though. It gets stupid when they don't use it knowing good and well that they are fully capable of doing so.

[ShadowGUN]

This week chapter: Tousen reveals a new power.

- Yammy, furious, get bigger and fights againts the 2 Soul Reapers.
- Aizen announced he finally going to fight.
- Tousen puts his hand on his face. He claim Aizen gave him a new power.
- Tousen creates a mask. End of chapter


Saw that one coming a mile away.

[garfield15]

AWWWWWWWWWW SNAP....

Looks like Vizard is the new Super Saiyan.

(sarcastic) Gee, I wonder if possibly Gin or Aizen have one!?

[Lelouch]

Aw. And I was kind of hoping the other spoilers were true. Oh well. Yet again nothing really happens...granted these are just spoilers, but still.

[Mr. Obsession]

- Tousen puts his hand on his face. He claim Aizen gave him a new power.


The power of the Facepalm!

Wait? No? Oh well.


Yeah, saw this coming when it was revealed he's been using the sonido sound effect after Ichigo and the other visordes were shown using it.

[RockmanDash]

...Well Vizards and Soul Reapers, you guys are screwed. ^^

[Rud]

Yeah, honestly everybody should have seen Aizen, Gin, and Tousen having hollow masks, now hopefully the good guys can loose some fights for a change.

[RockmanDash]

After the mask being shown, I'm starting to think the only people who will be standing in front of Aizen, Gin, and Tosen when Ichigo arrives is..

Shinji(barely)
Yamamoto(still.....standing there >_>)
Komamura(either knocked out by the mask or somehow still standing)


...Seriously that's all who I see still standing due to the fact that anyone not even close to Tosen, Gin, and Aizen's power probably would get owned quickly by a slash of the mask. ...And there is still that Wonderweiss battle that's happening..


But I'm going to wait until the actual scans are shown, this could be a bunch of lies like that one a few weeks ago with "Hitsugaya, Soi Fong, and Shunsui having swords pointed at them"

[ShadowGUN]

So apparently Yammi is the Hulk. The madder he get the stronger he becomes :p. And just Ulquiorra he too has second form. It doesn't look any better than the first though.

[garfield15]

Oh that is his second form? I thought that was just his power. He gets bigger as he gets angry. So in that case, Ulquiorra's made of total BS.

[Mr. Obsession]

Ggio (that guy Soi Fon fought) had one as well, but no one remembers him. :p

Honestly, I'm not sure if this really counts. Ulquiorra and Ggio called theirs by a unique name (sort of like Zangetsu becomes Tensa Zangetsu in bankai) where as Yammy just kinda changes as he gets angrier.

[RockmanDash]

So Yammi gets bigger when he's in rage huh? Looks like Kenpachi might have to use his ban-*shot*

...I wish xP.


Meanwhile it seems like Komamura vs Tosen and Shinji vs Aizen is actually going to happen next week.


Of course Ichigo will probably show up when all of this is basically over. :sweat:

[Rud]

So Yammi gets bigger when he's in rage huh? Looks like Kenpachi might have to use his ban-*shot*

Well, he may actually have to take off the eye patch now, hes still aint serious yet.

[Beat]

So while Ulq turns into Devilman, Yammy turns into the Incredible Hulk.

...Does this mean Halibel turns into Wonder Woman?

[ShadowGUN]

So while Ulq turns into Devilman, Yammy turns into the Incredible Hulk.

...Does this mean Halibel turns into Wonder Woman?

Nah Unohana is Wonder Woman. That why everyone is afraid getting their butt kick by her :p.

[FlyByNite77]

Nah Unohana is Wonder Woman. That why everyone is afraid getting their butt kick by her :p.

Unohana does seem like she'd be the bondage type...

[bigdeath]

I love Aziens little speach. Hes so awesome. Now if Gin would just get a fight. At least Gin got to do some slice'n and dice'n. And is no one else excited about Tosen most likely having a hollow mask to use?

[Grave]

I don't even think people liked Tousen to begin with. I'm neutral on the guy though. I did have an "oh ####" moment though.

[RockmanDash]

No new Bleach chapter yet? That's surprising. o_o

[FireStarterLE]

Early spoilers are out, but not yet confirmed. Though for discussions sake, here they are


-Hachi envelops Hiyori in this pyramid-like thing.
-Tousen takes out a mask against Komamura's bankai.
-Ichigo meets Urahara on the other side of the garganta

[garfield15]

Oh my god, we haven't seen Hat and Clogs in soooooo long. I've missed him terribly.

[RockmanDash]

Am I sensing a Ichigo, Urahara, and Unohana fight between Aizen, Gin, and Tosen?

..>.> Oh come on it would be pretty awesome.

I want to see Urahara fight again at least.

[Grave]

http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/6250/108846.jpg

Err.. Not exactly sure how I feel about the look at the moment.

[ShadowGUN]

This week chapter: Tousen's Hollow mask is reveal (see Magus post)

- Tousen's hollow mask is reveal. He, blind man, finally open his eyes.
- Tousen get behind Komamura at tremendous speed.
- Tousen talk about how Aizen finally open his eyes.
- Meanwhile Hisagi get stab by Gin in his lungs.
- As Hisagi falls, Komamura get ready to fight. Chapter ends.

[RockmanDash]

Oh snap Hisagi got owned quickly, looks like Gin is taking out all the small fries.

[garfield15]

http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/6250/108846.jpg

Err.. Not exactly sure how I feel about the look at the moment.He looks like "Friend" from 20th Century Boys.

Why are all the Vizards getting screwed over!?

[Mr. Obsession]

- Tousen's hollow mask is reveal. He, blind man, finally open his eyes.
- Tousen talk about how Aizen finally open his eyes.

Wait. The picture of Tosen's mask doesn't have any holes for his eyes. How can it grant him sight?

But if it does who wants to bet Tosen just lost his immunity to Aizen's shikai? If that’s the case I wouldn’t be surprised if that was part of Aizen’s plan all along.

[SigmasonicX]

That spoiler is fake.

The real one is along the lines of:

Tousen puts on the mask, oneshots Komamura, Hisagi attacks Tousen, Hisagi has flashbacks and is wondering what made Tousen change, Tousen oneshots him, Komamura activates his bankai.

Oh, and:

I initially just thought Tousen's mask was boring. Then I read posts on other boards comparing it to a dick. Now I can't unsee.

I suppose his appearance matches his personality now, though.

[RockmanDash]

So after seeing the REAL spoilers..

Oh crud Komamura might actually win this, and I'm seriously hoping he does. I'm tired of seeing the poor guy be the weakest captain and getting his butt kicked so easily. Hopefully he has some bankai abilities he has not revealed yet.

And poor Hisagi, owned by your own captain, stinks huh?

I'm guessing Kira is going to go after Gin then..

[ShadowGUN]

I wonder what Tousen means when he said he was afraid of dying like a Soul Reaper like Hisagi? Did the Soul Reapers have something to with his mysterious dead friend from early on? Pretty good chapter.

[Mr. Obsession]

Silly Hisagi, Talk no Jutsu only works for shonen main characters. :p Seriously though, at least he tried to put up a fight.

Two things caught my attention this chapter. First, Tosen putting on his mask was more like an arrancar's release (the energy explosion, smoke, and partial change of clothes post release) than what Ichigo and the other visoreds go through when they pull out their masks.

Second, Ichigo being a visored is common knowledge among at least the shinigami captains. And he gets a pass. I used to think that maybe Byakuya tattled (or at least warned Rukia about what Ichigo was going through before she went back to Earth), but awhile ago I was reminded that she went to visit Urahara before seeing Ichigo at the school, and the earlier reveal from Mayuri that Urahara had been working in secret with Yamamoto since shortly after Aizen's defection. It seems to me Urahara did get his chance to tell the whole story and Ichigo and the others now have legal immunity for using their hollow powers. And it finally explains why Yamamoto insisted Ichigo would be needed at the then upcoming Fake Karakura Town battle.

Plus, I guess it won't bother me anymore in the anime filler when none of the captains react to Ichigo's mask.

Also, this probably kills the theory that the next arc will be about Soul Society turning on Ichgio and the other visoreds (hey, they've got three empty captain seats and half the visoreds are former captains, hmmm…). Unless Ichigo's new hollow form comes out and goes on a rampage again during the fight against Aizen, or something.


Oh, and:

I initially just thought Tousen's mask was boring. Then I read posts on other boards comparing it to a dick. Now I can't unsee.

I suppose his appearance matches his personality now, though.
Yeah, I've been waiting for someone to photoshop pre-character development Sai into one of the chapter pages ever since the early spoiler pictures came out.


I wonder what Tousen means when he said he was afraid of dying like a Soul Reaper like Hisagi? Did the Soul Reapers have something to with his mysterious dead friend from early on? Pretty good chapter.
Tosen's friend was killed by her husband when they had an argument, over his having killed another member of his division over something petty. And she was the one who taught Tosen his whole "path of least bloodshed" thing. So I am curious how he has gone from that to (at least in the translation I read) fearing "assimilating with the rest of the shinigami and dying a meager death."

[garfield15]

Wait a minute. Komamura (and I'm assuming the other captains) know about Ichigo's Vizard powers? And they're okay with that? More importantly, when did they find out, the filler? :p

[ShadowGUN]

Wait a minute. Komamura (and I'm assuming the other captains) know about Ichigo's Vizard powers? And they're okay with that? More importantly, when did they find out, the filler? :p

Actually I think only some of them knew about it. Soi Fon acted surprise when the she saw the Vizard Hollows mask.

Tosen's friend was killed
by her husband when they had an argument, over his having killed another member of his division over something petty. And she was the one who taught Tosen his whole "path of least bloodshed" thing. So I am curious how he has gone from that to (at least in the translation I read) fearing "assimilating with the rest of the shinigami and dying a meager death."

Now I wonder was Tousen speaking the truth about that? Was his friend kill by her husband or by him?

[Mr. Obsession]

More importantly, when did they find out, the filler? :p
I suspect Urahara told them around the time Yamamoto ordered him to start bulding a tunnel to hueco mundo.


Actually I think only some of them knew about it. Soi Fon acted surprise when the she saw the Vizard Hollows mask.
I thought the surprise was because the visoreds had shown up at all and were helping. You know, given the previous standing orders to treat the visoreds as dangerous hollow and kill them on sight.


Now I wonder was Tousen speaking the truth about that? Was his friend kill by her husband or by him?
From his flashback during his fight with Kenpachi:

Before Tosen became a shinigami he became friends with a woman who was already one. She talked to him about his her goals and desires and about ending conflicts with the least amount of bloodshed. One day her husband, another shinigami, killed another member of his squad over something petty. Tosen's friend reacted poorly to this and had a fight with her husband over it. Her husband killed her. At her funeral Tosen took up her zanpakuto, Suzumushi, and became a shimigami dedicating himself to following her ideals.

Granted that was before it was revealed Tosen was collaborating with Aizen so his goals may have changed slightly over time. /understatment.

[Grave]

Wait a minute. Komamura (and I'm assuming the other captains) know about Ichigo's Vizard powers? And they're okay with that? More importantly, when did they find out, the filler? :p

I'm of the opinion that Komamura and the others found out about Ichigo when Shinji and folk pulled out their masks, and Shinji said they were Ichigo's allies. (Assuming they are smart enough to put 2 & 2 together) However, what don't make sense is how does Komamura know if Ichigo chose/wanted hollowfication or not?

[GWOtaku]

Couldn't they have heard about it from Byakuya or Rukia?

[Silver Soul]

Couldn't they have heard about it from Byakuya or Rukia?
From my knowledge Rukia didn't know anything about Ichigo's hollowfication until recent, then there's that scene where she saves him from Grimmjow and compliments how he had gotten a "new power" and then again where she picked him up from the visoreds hide out after Hachi healed him, but even with that knowledge I doubt she had told anyone, the same with Byakuya since his hollowication happened between a brief instant with their fight and once again unless the Unohana analyzed his wounds from his fight I doubt he had told anyone. I'll go by Urahara telling Yammamoto and he relaying the message to the other captains, or another cheap cop-out to move things along.

[Mr. Obsession]

After Rukai returned from Soul Society, but before Grimmjow's raid on Karakura, Rukai took Ichigo aside to find a random hollow and help him get his mojo back. When Ichigo was getting kicked around because he wasn't using his real power, Rukia straight out asked him if he was afraid of his inner hollow. Later after Ichigo's first fight with Grimmjow, while Orihime was healing everyone, Ichigo talked about his hollow with Rukia in front of Renji. Rukia even asked about Ichigo going to Urahara for help.

So Rukai's known enough since before Ichigo left for Hueco Mundo. But odds are she didn't know about Ichigo actually having control over a mask until after his second fight with Grimmjow, where she commented on Ichigo having used some incredible power(s). She was also on the scene when Shinji fought Grimmjow.

I think that between that and her slightly later meeting with the other visoreds Rukia was smart enough to put two and two together. She also had multiple opportunities to visit Urahara off screen after her reunion with Icigio, and she had stopped by Urahara's before that reunion to pick up the Chappy Mod Soul.

The real question is who told her about Ichgio's inner hollow, Byakuya or Urahara?

[Demonic Raven]

I'm placing my bets on Urahara for this one. To know about his hollow powers is one thing, but knowing about how it wasn't Ichigo's choice? It's just has to be Hat 'n Clogs, that big mouth. :p

Ichigo may get a pass for his mask, but crazy powerful berserker Hollow mode probably won't go over quite as well. The Soul Society vs. Ichigo arc theory still stands, just not as strong.

[garfield15]

Wow did nobody make a Cobra Commander joke yet?

[Beat]

For those of you keeping score-

Ulq- Devilman
One Araccnar Soi-Fon fought- Skeletor
Yammy- The Incredible Hulk.
Tousen- Cobra Commander.

Well now it's obvious who Aizen is by the process of random elimination.

The Soul Society is mine!

http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/8858/yesu.gif

THIS IS DELICIOUS!

[ShadowGUN]

Actually Beat, Aizen is Superman. Remenber when he reveal himself to the others captains? He took his glasses off and change his hair style. He probably grows a cape when he goes to Hollow mode. His mask will probably look similar to Doomsday :p.

[Captain Highwind]

If capes and masks are involved, maybe...? (http://images.absoluteanime.com/cyborg_009/scarl.jpg)

[FireStarterLE]

He probably grows a cape when he goes to Hollow mode. His mask will probably look similar to Doomsday :p.

It's as we thought, Aizen is Satan

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a283/FireStarterSE/AizenHollowMask2.jpg

He's evil incarnate (but thankfully Ichigo's hollow form is just as evil looking so it should be a good match)

*or you could go something like this:
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a283/FireStarterSE/AizenHollowMask-BrokenUpsmall.jpg

[FGfan]

It's as we thought, Aizen is Satan

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a283/FireStarterSE/AizenHollowMask2.jpg

He's evil incarnate (but thankfully Ichigo's hollow form is just as evil looking so it should be a good match)

*or you could go something like this:
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a283/FireStarterSE/AizenHollowMask-BrokenUpsmall.jpg


Most epic. Photomanip. EVER!

[Quincy Archer]

the cover for volume 42 is out and its magnificent

[spoiler]http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/4903/2lax79f.jpg[spoiler]

[Captain Highwind]

Underboob cover spits in the face of anime censors

[ShadowGUN]

Shock of the Queen indeed. I bet she was shock when Aizen turn on her and found out she didn't get a flashback.

[Rud]

Magnificent cover, even though i don't think she was important enough to deserve a cover, still its pretty hot.

[Grave]

Magnificent cover, even though i don't think she was important enough to deserve the cover.

If I'm not mistaken every espada had been a cover so far. (I do believe Luppi's and we know he's even less important than her)

[garfield15]

This cover is going to get some stares at Barnes and Noble

[Silver Soul]

If I'm not mistaken every espada had been a cover so far. (I do believe Luppi's and we know he's even less important than her)
Except for Aaroniero Arruruerie and Zommari Leroux.

This cover is going to get some stares at Barnes and Noble
In about 2 more years it'll be, or if Viz plans to speed up the release of the manga that is ;)

[RockmanDash]

Except for Aaroniero Arruruerie and Zommari Leroux.

Welll Aaroniero is kind of the cover for volume 30 if you want to say it in a odd way.

But yeah, nobody cares about poor Zommari, I don't blame them..I would not like a pumpkin Espada either. =p

[Silver Soul]

Welll Aaroniero is kind of the cover for volume 30 if you want to say it in a odd way.

But yeah, nobody cares about poor Zommari, I don't blame them..I would not like a pumpkin Espada either. =p
That's REALLY pushing it considering it's in his shinigami uniform and all but it can be interpreted as such given the content of the volume itself, but I'll agree with Zommari, poor guy felt like a one-shot villain, even Luppi lasted longer :sweat:

[Grave]

Except for Aaroniero Arruruerie and Zommari Leroux.

True, but Dorudoni (sp?) is also on a cover, and he's less important than Luppi.

[Silver Soul]

True, but Dorudoni (sp?) is also on a cover, and he's less important than Luppi.
Don't forget Cirucci Sanderwicci ;)

[Neo Ultra Mike]

Pffft besides Ulqouirra and Grimmjow, were any of the Espadas really even that important anyway? I mean yeah Nel but she isn't one of the 10 Villianous Espadas. Aaernerio was about as much of a one shot as Zommari (just with a longer fight and more of an emotional reason for Ruika fighting him), Granz and Nnotria just had longer fight sequences with more opponents and no one really cared when they died, and top 3 Espada all got pretty punked. Even Yammi now just seems to be "CRUSH SMASH! ANGRY! I AM IN NO WAY THE HULK!" So really no need to be mad at the covers for having not so important characters on them when Tite forgot to properly develop all of the Espada anyway.

[garfield15]

Remember the old days? Remember?

When the Espada's seemed like a legitimate threat? And we thought they were all badass and stuff? Yeah.....

[ShadowGUN]

This week chapter: Komamura vs Tousen (updated).

- Komamura and Tousen begin to fight
- Tousen mask partially opens at his mouth. He laugh.
- Shinji release his shikai "Collapse, Gyakuna".
- Tousen get grab like puppets(???). His mouth cracks open.
- Komamura and Tousen contunue to fight.
- Tousen explains why he fight. He fight for revenge.
- Tousen ask Komamura why he never question why he would join the same organization that his friend killer did.
- Komamura ask Tousen for forgive his friend killer to let his hatred go. Tousen just laugh at this.
- Chapter ends as Tousen it about to releases his Ressurrecion. (???)

[RockmanDash]

W-wait...RESURRECTION? Either they mean bankai or Aizen really has the whole mask thing working for them.

[Rud]

W-wait...RESURRECTION? Either they mean bankai or Aizen really has the whole mask thing working for them.
Not just that, hes packing high speed regeneration too, now we know what Aizen meant when he called the Vaizards failures and Arrancar wannabes, this is the real deal right here.

[ShadowGUN]

W-wait...RESURRECTION? Either they mean bankai or Aizen really has the whole mask thing working for them.

Yep it a Resurrecion. At least that what most of the translations are calling it. Now I wonder if Vizards know about this? Also because of this now people believe that the Hollow Ichigo that defeated Ulq was Ichigo's Resurrecion.

[RockmanDash]

That actually makes a lot more sense than some crazy overpowering random transformation.

Looks like Ichigo is going to have to master Resurrection.....WHICH MEANSSSS good ol buddy Grimmjow would have to teach him. (YES! PLEASE!)

[Mett]

Looks like Ichigo is going to have to master Resurrection.....WHICH MEANSSSS good ol buddy Grimmjow would have to teach him. (YES! PLEASE!)

Or Nel, dont forget about her :p

[Captain Highwind]

Or Nel, dont forget about her :p

I'm leaning more towards Nel then, because Ichigo trains the fastest with naked, big-boobed women in hot springs.

[Funkatron]

Holy crap!
Resurrection? Ichigo's out the ass powerup finally makes sense

I keep going back and forth between loving and hating bleach and this chapter just shoved me right into the love category. Can he do Bankai and ressurection at the same time?

So Aizens experiments on both Vaizards and Arrancar have led up to this moment. Now the question is if Aizen has given himself the same upgrade and how bat-excriment crazy powerful will he be afterwards?

[Captain Highwind]

Seems kind of impractical to have to crack your mask open to talk

It's like the Hollowfication Slim Edition: all the upgrades in one package, but encased in a cheaper frame

[anime_guru]

great bleach for once! for once in a long time this chapter didn't disappoint
shinji releasing a zanpaktou with similar abilities to aizen, also explains how he knows aizen's illusions, komamura v tousen, and somehow tousen with a vaizard mask and a resurreccion!? Though it makes sense actually
It can be argued tousen had this ability for a long time, he was the one that made kensei a vaizard 100 years ago so at least this makes a lot of sense...
I think this makes things most interesting because (for now) uahara is still one of the few men that semi orchestrated a shinigami with a vaizard transformation. And while I doubt he concluded that Ichigo received a resurreccion, the argument can be made.
Its been 7 months since I said this but I can't wait till the next chapter!

[RockmanDash]

Uh guys.. Bleach Soul Carnival 2 came out for the psp in Japan and it had the Ichigo vs Ulquorria fight full(Yes this means second release form and what not)

And it contained animated scenes that have yet to air.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHXZe76I3uc&feature=player_embedded

My jaw dropped on how amazing it looked animated. o_o Plus number one music= WIN.

[Mr. Obsession]

So Tosen gets some long overdue motivation explanation. And surprisingly it doesn't conflict with what he's said before. Soul Society in its current state will honestly never be able to achieve his friends vision. Previously Tosen just conveniently left out that in order for Soul Society to follow the path of least bloodshed he is going to have to get his hands very dirty before it can get to that point. Which means Tosen has most likely been following Aizen all this time simply because "utopia justifies the means." I can live with that explanation.

I suspect next week we're going to finally have a much better understanding of what happened to Ichigo during his final battle with Ulquiorra. Ichigo just needs to learn to control it.

Also, holy crap! Komamura's bankai is 100% raw offensive power! After how that backhand messed up Tosen's arm it's pretty clear that mask or no, if Tosen didn't have high-level hollow regeneration (and whatever he's pulling out next week) Komamura would own his ass. Captain Furry is a captain for a reason.

Finally, I'm looking forward to seeing just how Shinji's shikai will turnout. Just one minor detail he's forgetting. He's kinda already under Aizen's hypnosis. :sweat:


Plus number one music= WIN.
But it was the Nas-T remix. >_<

Looked really nice, but I can almost guarantee that will be completely reanimated when the TV series gets to that point. Animation done for a game with a screen the size of the PSP's in mind does not look that great on a television screen. I suspect Pierrot will bring in their "A" animation team so it should look spectacular when we get to that point.

My only real disappointment was they didn't show Hollow Ichigo's cero. I wanted to see if it changed color.

[Captain Highwind]

Oh my ever-loving god at that game. I want!

Interesting that Ichigo's whole body is hollow-white.

[Jacob T. Paschal]

Uh guys.. Bleach Soul Carnival 2 came out for the psp in Japan and it had the Ichigo vs Ulquorria fight full(Yes this means second release form and what not)

And it contained animated scenes that have yet to air.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHXZe76I3uc&feature=player_embedded

My jaw dropped on how amazing it looked animated. o_o Plus number one music= WIN.

Does the Bleach anime typically have that sort of music? 'Cause if so...that's pretty weak. :(

[RockmanDash]

Does the Bleach anime typically have that sort of music? 'Cause if so...that's pretty weak. :(

From what I can tell after checking around, that music was added by the person who uploaded it.(I was kind of wondering why Number one sounded a bit..odd and out of place in some way)

[Mett]

Omg that animated scene was awesome! Now lets end the filler and get back to their fight :p

[Mr. Obsession]

But I like the current filler. :(

[GWOtaku]

Tousen was written well before the game Blazblue so I do not claim a substantial link, but if anything he seems to have become Bleach's version of Hakumen (http://anime-wallpapers.com/images/1280x800/hakumen.jpg), which actually ups his cool factor considerably. He too talks of being just, and is very quick to challenge a fight. He even pulls off the helmet thing.

Anyhow, it turns out his motivation is relatively simple. It's all Kenpachi's fault. I did enjoy the dialogue between him and Komamura. I'm glad we're past the "how could you do this?!" phase and have instead arrived at "that's it, you must be defeated!"

[Mett]

But I like the current filler. :(

I did too but the last episode or two have been boring for me, I liked it more when it was more focused on all the Zanpaktou's fighting their masters.

[Grave]

I did too but the last episode or two have been boring for me, I liked it more when it was more focused on all the Zanpaktou's fighting their masters.

I also liked it up till they actually found the old man. When everything was reveal was when I started to grow bored of it, and then there's Orihime.... (I was really pissed off when she healed Muramasa) I know it's her character, but I can't stand that type of stupidity just for the sake of dragging things out. First Ishida did it in the bount arc and now Orihime does it here. (I've yet to see the 2nd filler arc and at this point I don't plan on it. Seeing this stuff made me officially hate filler) But it really started with Yama.

Oh, forgot what thread this was... :)

As for the chapter... I'm intrigued and sort of irritated by Shinji. One hand I'm like "cool, he's releasing his zanpakuto", on the other I'm like, "are you serious, Shinji? Asking Aizen if he's scared." Just stop talking already cuz he's gonna end up making you bite your tongue.

[Mr. Obsession]

It's all Kenpachi's fault.
Wait, what? Care to elaborate on that? I don't seem to recall Kenpachi killing anyone known to Tosen. IIRC Tosen said Kenpachi was a symptom of what was wrong with Soul Society during their fight, not that Kenpachi was the root cause.

Yes, Kenpachi likes to fight. But most of the time he leaves his opponents alive afterwards so they can get stronger and challenge him again in the future so he can have even more fun. The only ones we’ve seen him kill so far were either too stupid to attack him in the first place when they weren’t strong enough to take on his attacks in the first place, or insisted on fighting him again immediately after he had just defeated them and they were already heavily wounded.

[Captain Highwind]

Looked really nice, but I can almost guarantee that will be completely reanimated when the TV series gets to that point. Animation done for a game with a screen the size of the PSP's in mind does not look that great on a television screen. I suspect Pierrot will bring in their "A" animation team so it should look spectacular when we get to that point.

This seems to suggest it is from the anime, since these earlier cutscenes are ripped from their respective episodes.

http://www.gametrailers.com/user-movie/ichigo-vs-ulquiorra-second/336224

[Grave]

This seems to suggest it is from the anime, since these earlier cutscenes are ripped from their respective episodes.

http://www.gametrailers.com/user-movie/ichigo-vs-ulquiorra-second/336224

That actually looked really good.

[GWOtaku]

Wait, what? Care to elaborate on that?

Doh. It's embarrassing, but my mind somehow merged Tousen's backstory with that guy from the Bount arc who wanted revenge for his dead Captain. Never mind then!

[ShadowGUN]

Man, Tousen is really creepy with that mask of his on. Especially when it was breaking to reveal his mouth. As for his Resurrecion, from the phrase he use it sound like his "true form" is a cricket. I wonder if he becomes somebody conscience after this arc over :p.Pretty good chapter.

[Grave]

I wonder if the same rule applies... Release and die.

[garfield15]

I wonder if the same rule applies... Release and die.You mean, Hueco Mundo arc rules? I'd say so. He is a bad guy after all.

[Malex]

You mean, Hueco Mundo arc rules? I'd say so. He is a bad guy after all.

However, he is a shinigami, and shinigami never die. See the conundrum?

[RockmanDash]

However, he is a shinigami, and shinigami never die. See the conundrum?

But from how crazy Tosen is acting and the rush Resurrection, I think it's about time we ended his little "REVENGE AND JUSTICE" plot, and seeing him die will be the biggest move in the plot ever.

...If Komamura does defeat Tosen anyways, I think Gin might be the one who takes both of them out(leaving Tosen dead and Komamura badly injured)

[Mr. Obsession]

This seems to suggest it is from the anime, since these earlier cutscenes are ripped from their respective episodes.

http://www.gametrailers.com/user-movie/ichigo-vs-ulquiorra-second/336224
I'm still not sure. On the production side Japanese animation has always had a far faster turnaround then Western productions where total production time can take months per episode. I'm pretty sure we've all heard at least some of the horror stories different production crews have gone through to get episodes out in time for that week's broadcast. If the current filler arc doesn't even end untill April, as has previously been reported, I wouldn't be surprised if they haven't even begun the real ground work for the Ichigo vs. Ulquiorra episodes yet.

Watching the clips there is a definite difference in the quality of the recycled television footage due to compression versus the new animation which looks like it was produced specifically for the PSP's screen size. Edit: Ok, to be fair, some of the compression issues have to do with gametrailers.com video player itself, but the new footage has far less issues then the old.

I'm taking the wait and see approach. But I have no doubt that when those episodes finally do air they will look fantastic.

[Beat]

From what I can tell after checking around, that music was added by the person who uploaded it.(I was kind of wondering why Number one sounded a bit..odd and out of place in some way)

They should have went with something more original for Ulq's pwnage. "Supercharger Heaven?"

[Captain Highwind]

Edit: Ok, to be fair, some of the compression issues have to do with gametrailers.com video player itself, but the new footage has far less issues then the old.

Yeah, everything I upload on there seems to pixelate despite the high video quality. It's avi and their coding favors the newest wmv or something

I wish viddler.com would give me my verification email after months of asking them. They look like they have such a better set-up. >:C

[Rud]

This seems to suggest it is from the anime, since these earlier cutscenes are ripped from their respective episodes.

http://www.gametrailers.com/user-movie/ichigo-vs-ulquiorra-second/336224
They messed up Ulquiorra's eyes, where the black is its supposed to be blue/green. But otherwise it looks pretty cool.

[Mett]

Going back to look at that clip it shows Ishida with both of his hands so im guessing in the anime he doesn't lose one. Which kinda makes me wonder if it will show Hiyori get cut in half.

[GWOtaku]

Apparent spoilers...

Tousen turns into a freak (no surprise there) and defeats Komamura's bankai only to be stabbed in the head by Hisagi's Kazeshin. There is also supposed to be a flashback regarding Tousen's dead friend.

So yeah, Tousen is apparently defeated already. More than a bit anticlimatic in my book, but oh well.

It was apparently also revealed that there will be another Bleach movie for next winter.

[Rud]

^^Oh wow, Kubo must be in a real hurry to end this arc if that's what happens. This is like an April fools joke right here.

that must have been the sneak attack of the century if Hisagi (who should stand no chance whatsoever) kills Tousen like that. Tousen had better have some EPIC regeneration abilities so he can survive this (even Ulquiorra couldn't regenerate his brain or organs).

[RockmanDash]

Am I the only one who finds that to be a bit badass? I mean sure it's like "HA I WIN KOMA......W-WHAT HISAGI???"

Hisagi: AFTER THIS PEOPLE WILL START LIKING ME MORE THAN HISUGAYAYAAAAAA!!!!

Tosen: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

*boom*



*Hisagi has gained 10000000 exp*

Gin: >_> Hope I don't die that way.

Aizen:*smiles and looks pretty*

[Rud]

Hisagi got owned by what was basically 3 fraccion arms combined, and then was stabbed in the gut, and Kubo expects us to believe he could beat Tousen after 2 power ups?, this is some epic ridiculousness right here.

[RockmanDash]

Hisagi got owned by what was basically 3 fraccion arms combined, and then was stabbed in the gut, and Kubo expects us to believe he could beat Tousen after 2 power ups?, this is some epic ridiculousness right here.

Well don't judge the spoiler tags about what instantly happens. For all we know Koma at least weakens Tosen enough where it's the point that Tosen used most of his energy on defeating his huge offense bankai. I hate to say it since I'm a bit disappointed but I think people are thinking the villains of Bleach are a bit TOO strong when they really are not. Give you a bet Aizen and Gin will go down in some odd ridiculous way to.

[GWOtaku]

Well, something I probably should have mentioned...


...is the fact that the text says that Tousen's head is apparently stabbed from behind. It's reasonable to conclude that this is a desperation attack to save Komamura at the last moment or something close, rather than Hisagi being drastically overpowered out of nowhere.

[anime_guru]

...sadly I liked the fake unconfirmed spoilers so much better - those were action packed...these are..
well the unconfirmed spoilers brought back kensei and tousen to have a super huge fight actually. This just seems out of nowhere. How in the world is a shikai going to pierce a mask with a resurreccion when we know something at that level can defeat at least a level 4 espada? I know the espada weren't much but for goodness sakes wtf?! I mean what sort of deus ex machina is going to explain how hisagi not only got a clean hit on tousen (being stabbed in the stomach btw) but possibly hurting and hinting at so far a kill of tousen? Or at least injured?
or have we forgotten there is high speed regeneration with this?
And tengen overpowering tousen to this point!? Give me a break!

It is sad, but I prefer this unconfirmed spoiler much much better - beyond the fact that hitsu re bankais I would actually prefer this happening to what we have now!

sources : sleep@flol
verification : unconfirmed and faker than a lot of fake things

Bleach　 386　　 Fall Into The Deep Darkness!

The Distant Darkness is covering the sky.

A desire for a peaceful world that was stronger than anyone…

Tousen revealing his resurreccion “Grillar Grillo”
“Lunatic Shackles Cricket”

Gotei 13 and the Vizards : !

Tousen’s transformation has wings like a grasshopper, with antenna and a short scythe-hands.

Tousen :
I want strength. this will be the strength to help me create peace. Now Die! Komamura

Komamaura: Tousen(getting ready to defend)

Tousen then sonido’s infront of Koma
uses a pure black multiple of scythes same as ichigo’s getsuga tensho.
such strikes so fast. Komamura didn’t have the chance to dodge it.

Komamura fells down full of blood. his clothes was torned his upper body. seeing him almost naked

Toushiro : No way!

Tousen: Komamura you don’t have an idea how corrupt and unjust Soul Society is. With this power we can change the world.

Toushiro shunpo’s near Komamamura,
Toushiro: Tousen you!

Tousen: Hitsugaya, Are you going to avenge your fallen comrade? come! I will give you a one trip to hell!

Toushiro: I won’t say that if I were you,

Even witnessing my ressureccion you still want to fight me?

Toushiro: Bankai! Daiguren Hyourinmaru!

Tousen : Even witnessing my ressureccion you still want to fight me using that?

Toushiro uses “Sennen Hyoro”(thousand year ice prison)
tousen being imprisoned inside. Toushiro then uses “Ryusenka”(Dragon Hail Flower).

Tousen destroying the Ice Prison with just a Spiritual Pressure. and Sonido’s behind Toushiro.

Tousen: Being reckless has been always your style.
Toushiro: !
Tousen uses a black cero! Hitsugaya can’t react receiving the power in point blank. Sends him far away.

Scene changes to Kensei and WW.

Kensei charges spiritual energy in Tachikaze and fires white energy blasts from his hand with extreme force. blowing away W.W

Kensei : Rose, Love take care of this brat!

He then rushes to Tousen.
Kensei appeares in front of Tousen.

Kensei: long time no say Kaname.
your here for revenge?
what a coincidence isn’t it?

sorry that seems so much cooler!

[SigmasonicX]

More detailed spoilers are out:

An ominous ritual!!

Tousen becomes Luke from Deathnote (like a fly man.)

Tousen's eyes open. "I can see...I can see!

I can see, Komamura...!!!

Fu...hahahahahahahah I can see, I can see, I can see!!!

This is the sky! This is blood! This is the world!!

---And you are Komamura....You're uglier than I thought."


What's is tearing things to pieces!?
bleach%u3000386　　TEH　BESTIAL


Flashback.

In front of his death friend's grave.

Tousen: "For justice...She loved this world, so she became a shinigami to carry out justice.

I didn't want the justice that she worked for to disappear, so I decided to wager my own life and take up her cause.

That's why I became a shinigami."


Komamura avoids an attack.

Komamura: "Tousen...At that time, I felt there was a bit of untruth in your words...

You said, "The world she loves" many times, but not once did you ever say, "The world that I love."

I understood. Yes, this man truly detests this world.

I could understand that enough. Actually I felt it was fine. Anyone who had their friend snatched away would feel that way.

I thought it was good that you weren't able to say you love the world as if you were a saint.

That's why I decided you would be a true friend.

If sadness befell you, I would take it up. If I experienced joy, I would share it with you. If you strayed I would reprimand you.

If you made mistakes I would forgive them. When you were in a predicament I would be one you would rely on.

So that you, who had become unable to love the world, would do so once again.)

Myouou cuts down Tousen, but

Tousen uses supersonic waves(?) "Nine Pagada Finials Kill" [Los Nueve Aspectos(?)]

Myouou's belly gets dented.

Myouou collapses, as does Komamura. "...Tousen..."

A hollow hole opens up in Tousen's chest.

He looks down at the fallen Komamura.


Justice is not something that can be expressed with words."

Komamura: (I'm sorry, Tetsuzaemon... I'm sorry, Hisagi...I'm sorry Tousen

As I suspected, you....can't cut me down. ）



A sword pierces Tousen's head.

Hisagi: "...As I thought, you're no longer Captain Tousen...When you were blind

you would have dodged that degree of attack."

Hisagi closes his eyes. "Cut, Kazeshini."

Tousen spits out blood.

His dead friend appears.

Tousen: "Who is this?...Strange...

This shouldn't be happening...Who is this...I can't see...

I can't see anything...Nothing.)
Pictures:


http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2553/4190547864_03f9967398_o.jpg
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4047/4189787943_f7c5808beb_o.jpg
Tousen is making the Yaranaika face. You can't unsee.


Commentary:

So yeah, apparently this is the first time that Tousen's used his resurreccion. The middle of battle isn't exactly the best place to try it out.

I like how one of the first things Tousen does is call Komamura ugly, especially considering how he looks.

And wow, Tousen's really pushing the "die after resurreccion" cliche to its logical extent. While I do like the "sight has made you blind" part, I really hope people don't try to justify this horribly disappointing conclusion, assuming it's really the end.

Oh, and title of the chapter is "TEH BESTIAL". God, Kubo really must be trolling everyone.

[garfield15]

Pictures:


http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2553/4190547864_03f9967398_o.jpg
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4047/4189787943_f7c5808beb_o.jpg
Tousen is making the Yaranaika face. You can't unsee.

WHY?!

Oh, and title of the chapter is "TEH BESTIAL". God, Kubo really must be trolling everyone.
Now he went from grammatically incorrect English to internet lingo.

I wonder if Kubo's halfway done like Oda is.

[Rocketboy]

---And you are Komamura....You're uglier than I thought."


Dude. Not cool, man.

[SigmasonicX]

The chapter turned out to actually be called "The Bestial", and "teh" was just a typo from the spoiler provider. I'm disappointed.

[Beat]

Two words describe this chapter...

COBRA, RETREAT!

[Grave]

Hisagi got owned by what was basically 3 fraccion arms combined, and then was stabbed in the gut, and Kubo expects us to believe he could beat Tousen after 2 power ups?, this is some epic ridiculousness right here.

This was my initial thoughts about the chapter... I was just tellin a friend that there better be some form of a sneak attack because I just cannot see Hisagi beating Tousen in a fight fairly.

As far as that picture goes... So now we're back to having ugly/unimpressive resurreccions. Kind of makes me wonder why Tousen didn't use his bankai. It has such a devastating ability.

[ShadowGUN]

Man, Tousen's Resurreccion sure is ugly. Now I am really curious what Aizen and Gin's Resurreccion will look like.

[bigdeath]

Wow, that was pathedic. I hope thats not how it ends. There better be more.

[Scirel]

If Tousen really is dead, then it will be the first time a Soul Repaer has EVER died not in a flashback.

That was way, way, too easy a kill.

Why did Aizen even bother gathering an army if they were so weak? Surely Gin won`t be able to take them all, unless this is all a giant kyoka suigetsu illusion and none of the top 3 espaad have fought, and everyone is tired from thinking they were fighting.

[RockmanDash]

If Tousen really is dead, then it will be the first time a Soul Repaer has EVER died not in a flashback.

That was way, way, too easy a kill.

Why did Aizen even bother gathering an army if they were so weak? Surely Gin won`t be able to take them all, unless this is all a giant kyoka suigetsu illusion and none of the top 3 espaad have fought, and everyone is tired from thinking they were fighting.

What does Tite Kubo not wanting to be in the same arc anymore don't you guys get? xP It's pretty dang obvious he just wants to kill Tosen off and possibly Gin next(who I'm guessing Kira will try to fight)

Oh and I said this before but some of you expect way too much out of the villains, I think it's the greatest move for the series to kill off Tosen because that means one of Aizen's two henchmen are gone! It's only Aizen, Wonderweiss, Gin, and Yammy now for team Arrancar. Of course Aizen probably has some kind of counterattack since he seems too calm as of now.

[Grave]

What does Tite Kubo not wanting to be in the same arc anymore don't you guys get? xP It's pretty dang obvious he just wants to kill Tosen off and possibly Gin next(who I'm guessing Kira will try to fight)

Oh and I said this before but some of you expect way too much out of the villains, I think it's the greatest move for the series to kill off Tosen because that means one of Aizen's two henchmen are gone! It's only Aizen, Wonderweiss, Gin, and Yammy now for team Arrancar. Of course Aizen probably has some kind of counterattack since he seems too calm as of now.

It can't be helped. That's how they've been built up.

And whether Kubo wants to stay in the same arc or not, rushing's not going to get him better results because as you see already, these have been some of the lamest ways for top villains to go out.

[Rud]

Oh and I said this before but some of you expect way too much out of the villains,

And you blame us?

If this manga is going to kill off its villains like fly's then it shouldn't give them so much hype in the first place, thats my problem with it, i still remember when Hitsugaya was struggling against mere fraccion of Grimmjow, Renji and him were all like "if just the mooks are this strong, were really in trouble when the real big guys come", and then the real big guys show up and it turns out they were no problem all along. And now Tousen shows up, the first sample of the culmination of Aizens hybrid experimentation that goes back as far as we know at least 100 years, which he was after because he was apparently already so badass that he had reached the max of shinigami potential and getting hollow powers was the only way to get more badass (not that he needed to be more badass, having just owned Ichigo, Komamura & Hitsugaya in one shot withought breaking a sweat), anyway, the first product of the culmination of Aizens experimentation dies with one sneak attack, from Hisagi of all people (not even a captain... or remotely important).

I expected a lot more from the villains in this manga, and so far they have been pretty fail compared to how they were made out to be (soul society was practically crapping their pants).

Heh, i remember back when hitsugaya was saying that if Aizen had 10 Vasto Lorde that Soul Society would be doomed (DOOMED!!), im afraid that when we do see these so called uber Vasto Lorde that they will be taken down like fly's too.

[Jacob T. Paschal]

Tôsen is likely just looking his sight, rather than full on dying. Yet.

[RockmanDash]

It can't be helped. That's how they've been built up.

And whether Kubo wants to stay in the same arc or not, rushing's not going to get him better results because as you see already, these have been some of the lamest ways for top villains to go out.

I guess I just did not expect the greatest out of these villains, the Espada just looked like another group of villains that would give each captain/shinigami more screentime to develop their characters. xP

But meh, maybe I'm just not easy to think "WOW THIS VILLAIN IS GOING TO BE 100000X POWERFUL!" but then again, we already got Aizen for that.

And also Tiger, not all of the Espada are vasto lorde though, =p I think only Ulq, Starrk, Barragan, Harribel, and Wonderweiss are to be honest.

[Lelouch]

I actually kind of like this ending. Tosen for me has always been a hypocrite and will be nothing more. His sense of justice is crazy and I think he deserves to be taken down the way he did. I also love the irony that once he is able to see he is really blind.

Not to mention Hisagi is awesome, so it is great to see him deal the final blow. Granted, this is Bleach so I wouldn't count Tosen out yet.

[Grave]

I guess I just did not expect the greatest out of these villains, the Espada just looked like another group of villains that would give each captain/shinigami more screentime to develop their characters. xP

But meh, maybe I'm just not easy to think "WOW THIS VILLAIN IS GOING TO BE 100000X POWERFUL!" but then again, we already got Aizen for that.

And also Tiger, NOT ALL OF THE ESPADA ARE VASTO LORDE. >_> I mean look at Grimmjow.

Didn't say it was your fault. However, it is Kubo's fault.

[RockmanDash]

Didn't say it was your fault. However, it is Kubo's fault.

o_o When did I say you said it was my fault?

[Grave]

Heh, nice edit.. >_>

Anyway, to go a little deeper into what I was saying. Ulquiorra stated that the according to the rankings, the other 3 espada are stronger than him, and we see Ulquiorra basically kill Ichigo. And then we see nothing worthy of any of the espada to be considered top 3 material. And now we see someone who is even higher than an espada get taken down by a vice captain... Granted it is by a sneak attack, but still. Don't get me wrong, I like Hisagi and whatnot, but a lot of this is really garbage.

I'm pretty much repeating Lightning Tiger's words. (Or gonna end up doing so)

[Rud]

And also Tiger, not all of the Espada are vasto lorde though, =p I think only Ulq, Starrk, Barragan, Harribel, and Wonderweiss are to be honest.

Shunsui did not even need Bankai to defeat Starrk (only shikai), if he is a Vasto Lorde, then Kubo's hype is so ridiculously misplaced its not even funny (since Vasto Lorde supposedly = Doomed Soul society).

[garfield15]

Oh and I said this before but some of you expect way too much out of the villainsI was going to say "Kubo made us expect way too much out of the villains" but Lightning Tiger said it better.

[RockmanDash]

Shunsui did not even need Bankai to defeat Starrk (only shikai), if he is a Vasto Lorde, then Kubo's hype is so ridiculously misplaced its not even funny (since Vasto Lorde supposedly = Doomed Soul society).

Except your missing the fact that Shunsui had over ONE HUNDRED YEARS of experience, it doesn't matter if Starrk was number one, I kind of want to know how long Aizen had each member of the Espada for so this can be proven a bit more, I mean for all we know Starrk was the strongest yet only has been alive for fifty years or something. If Tite has yet to show Shunsui using bankai, it means there are probably going to be a bigger threat that is stronger than what Aizen has been throwing out, for all we know he's hiding the actual Vasto Lorde(it's a strech but hey it's Aizen.)

[Rud]

Except your missing the fact that Shunsui had over ONE HUNDRED YEARS of experience, it doesn't matter if Starrk was number one, I kind of want to know how long Aizen had each member of the Espada for so this can be proven a bit more. If Tite has yet to show Shunsui using bankai, it means there are probably going to be a bigger threat that is stronger than what Aizen has been throwing out, for all we know he's hiding the actual Vasto Lorde(it's a strech but hey it's Aizen.)

It doesnt matter how old Shunsui is ok, Vasto Lorde are supposed to be the most powerful of all hollows, and just one of them (doesnt even have to be an arrancar, just a Vasto Lorde) is superior to a captain. And Starrk if he is a Vasto Lorde, is an arrancar on top of it. It makes absolutely no sense or him to be defeated by a shikai.

Il remind you that Bankai increases a shinigamis power anywhere from 5 to 10 times, this means that Shunsui defeated Starrk, maybe a Vasto Lorde (10 of which would destroy all of Soul Society) with at the most 20% of his full fighting potential, does that not sound ridiculous to you?

These are some of the most over hyped villains ive ever seen.

[Grave]

Except your missing the fact that Shunsui had over ONE HUNDRED YEARS of experience, it doesn't matter if Starrk was number one, I kind of want to know how long Aizen had each member of the Espada for so this can be proven a bit more, I mean for all we know Starrk was the strongest yet only has been alive for fifty years or something.

I stopped buying into that whole "100 years of experience" ever since Ukitake was taken down by Wonderweiss. I mean some can use the excuse of him being sick, but I'm at the point where I don't even believe that anymore.

[RockmanDash]

It doesnt matter how old Shunsui is ok, Vasto Lorde are supposed to be the most powerful of all hollows, and just one of them (doesnt even have to be an arrancar, just a Vasto Lorde) is superior to a captain. And Starrk if he is a Vasto Lorde, is an arrancar on top of it. It makes absolutely no sense or him to be defeated by a shikai.

Il remind you that Bankai increases a shinigamis power anywhere from 5 to 10 times, this means that Shunsui defeated Starrk, maybe a Vasto Lorde (10 of which would destroy all of Soul Society) with at the most 20% of his full fighting potential.

These are some of the most over hyped villains ive ever seen.

Your missing the point, Shunsui has actual fighting experience, it looks like you just read what I said like "LAWLZ HE'S OLD SO HE'S POWERFUL xP" Vasto Lorde or not, Starrk got owned by a shikai ability that involved a game.(Yes as STUPID as that does sound). You can't just say "It's a SHIKAI ABILITY", so what if it is? Shunsui is strong, and he had a very strong ability, and let's not forget that he put his life on the line since Starrk had just enough chances of winning the game as he did.

And for all we know like a billion of people said, this could be one huge illusion by Aizen(let's not forget, there are THREE towers left, I don't think he just got that other one destroyed just to fit more drama)

And I'm still considering Aizen's "We won't have to lift a finger" very carefully when we get into this.


I stopped buying into that whole "100 years of experience" ever since Ukitake was taken down by Wonderweiss. I mean some can use the excuse of him being sick, but I'm at the point where I don't even believe that anymore.

Wonderweiss is starting to make me wonder if actually he and Ulq were the only actual vasto lords (yes I said Starrk COULD of been but thinking about it...)

Ugh my brain hurts, let's just were the writing goes I suppose.

[Rud]

Your missing the point, Shunsui has actual fighting experience, it looks like you just read what I said like "LAWLZ HE'S OLD SO HE'S POWERFUL xP" Vasto Lorde or not, Starrk got owned by a shikai ability that involved a game.(Yes as STUPID as that does sound). You can't just say "It's a SHIKAI ABILITY", so what if it is? Shunsui is strong, and he had a very strong ability, and let's not forget that he put his life on the line since Starrk had just enough chances of winning the game as he did.
They were on an equal ground with equal chances of winning when Shunsui was at the most being at 20% of his max power (bankai would make him anywhere from 5 to 10 times more powerful), Starrk in no way lives up to the hype of a vasto Lorde (which even withought being an arrancar is better than a captain), anyway you look at this, the hype is nowhere near to being lived up to.

[bigdeath]

Do you have idea what kind of massive EPIC FAIL it will be if this all turns out to be one of Azien's illusions. :sweat:

[RockmanDash]

They were on an equal ground with equal chances of winning when Shunsui was at the most being at 20% of his max power (bankai would make him anywhere from 5 to 10 times more powerful), Starrk in no way lives up to the hype of a vasto Lorde (which even withought being an arrancar is better than a captain), anyway you look at this, the hype is nowhere near to being lived up to.

I don't even know where you guys get your hype, Starrk was always been lazybones to me and nothing more :p(Lazybones with badass guns). I mean sure he's "Number one" but it's not like I figured he was going to lose eventually anyways. The best thing to think about is where the story is going, we should probably keep are feedback until after the arc is over(next year probably..?) and then we can complain and all of that fun stuff.

But it's kind of silly trying to think of logic in all of this, I mean if you think about it, Tite is kind of going in a "Ok good guys kick butt now! OK BAD GUYS GOT THE UPPERHAND! BUTTT OHHH GOOD GUYS GOT IT GOING AGAIN! But plot twist! STAB IN THE CHEST!" oh Bleach is fun when it does this..


I stopped buying into that whole "100 years of experience" ever since Ukitake was taken down by Wonderweiss. I mean some can use the excuse of him being sick, but I'm at the point where I don't even believe that anymore.

Hey it's Aizen. xP Or better yet, hey it's Tite Kubo.

[Grave]

I don't even know where you guys get your hype, Starrk was always been lazybones to me and nothing more :p(Lazybones with badass guns). I mean sure he's "Number one" but it's not like I figured he was going to lose eventually anyways.

Really? It came from Ulquiorra revealing he was #4 and saying that the other 3 were stronger than him. That's where my hype came from in the least.

[garfield15]

Do you have idea what kind of massive EPIC FAIL it will be if this all turns out to be one of Azien's illusions. :sweat:
I'm still not ruling that out.

[Mr. Obsession]

Having read the chapter:
No Tosen, you do not get to invoke pity after you just burned that last bridge that made you remotely likeable. Calling Komamura ugly was unnecessary and just plain mean.

And honestly I'm fine with Hisagi finishing him off. Hisagi's one of the three people in the entire series with the most reasons to take on Tosen. He has constantly been depicted or referenced as one of the strongest Lieutenants in the series. It was a sneak attack while Tosen was distracted. And it was a headshot, which I think we can all agree are always serious.

Of course it also means Hisagi just about guaranteed himself a promotion when this is all over.


As for the whole Starrk/Shunsui thing. It no longer bugs me. Remember what Starrk did against Love and Rose without really trying? Starrk just had the bad luck to end up facing an opponent in the end who's shikai manipulates reality at its whim. Let me say that again.

Katen Kyokotsu can manipulate the freaking laws of physics within an unspecified area around itself, at its discretion, once released. And even Shunsui has to play along or risk being killed by his own sword.

Starrk had no chance once Shunsui decided to get serious. Bankai would have been overkill.

[Lelouch]

Kubo really did make it seem as though the Espada were going to be a lot more powerful. Honestly, I personally was expecting a LOT more from them.

Starrk, as Lightning has mentioned, was a huge letdown. Now, I have no idea if he is a Vasto Lorde, but the fact is he is the #1 Espada. Now, I don't think he is even defeated yet but the fact that he was 'taken down,' by a mere Shikai is pathetic. Perhaps I could have accepted a defeat from bankai...but shikai? No way.

It just gets to a point where we know that Kubo doesn't have the guts to kill off any of the good characters.

I think Ulqiorra is the only one who really lived up to the expectations. Sure, Ichigo kind of defeated him cheaply, but he is the main character so I will let it slide. In the end Ichigo did gain massive power, way greater than any Captain's.

Granted, I fully believe that both Starrk and Hallibel are still alive so I don't think this is the end for the Espada. But now that Aizen has turned on them...I guess they will end up good also.

[Scirel]

Having read the chapter:

As for the whole Starrk/Shunsui thing. It no longer bugs me. Remember what Starrk did against Love and Rose without really trying? Starrk just had the bad luck to end up facing an opponent in the end who's shikai manipulates reality at its whim. Let me say that again.

Katen Kyokotsu can manipulate the freaking laws of physics within an unspecified area around itself, at its discretion, once released. And even Shunsui has to play along or risk being killed by his own sword.

Starrk had no chance once Shunsui decided to get serious. Bankai would have been overkill.


Shunsui should challenge Aizen to a "My sword is more HAX" contest.

In seriousness, I wish Ichogo hadn`t taken on 3 lieutenants at once right after he rescued Rukia. it made them seem a lot weaker.

I suppose power - type match ups should really be taken into consideration, but I hope that this isn`t the total end of Tousen, even though we've now gone over his history and he's lost all respect and redeemability.

Gin has seemed like the person who was closest to Aizen anyway, I always thought Tousen was more of "bonus" to aizen than a critical component.

If Gin dies here, I`ll be truly surprised.

Add to this, Kenpachi beat Tousen's Bankai way back in SS, so he really wasn't one of the stronger captains to begin with.

He ALMOST beat Komamura if not for a surprise assist, so I think I just reasoned out the powers in this chapter. :head explodes:

[Grave]

Ok, after reading the chapter (ignore my message I sent to you Mr. Obsession) it does make a little more since now.

Like I said, I like Hisagi and all, but to actually be able to defeat a captain... In some ways I don't want to have any issues with this, but at the same time this also goes back to my opinion about Renji. Renji has a bankai but can't really beat anybody with it, yet Hisagi and Kira are being shown to be even stronger than Renji... (Heck, I'd probably say that Matsumoto is better than Renji at this point)

With that said, it should be a shoe-in for Hisagi to become a captain.

Tousen, Tousen, Tousen... You cannot call somebody ugly looking like that. First a pumpkin and now a bug... What's next?


Shunsui should challenge Aizen to a "My sword is more HAX" contest.
I agree.

[GWOtaku]

Why would this mean that Hisagi is comparable to Tousen? From where I'm standing, it means that he got a lucky shot. I'd say there's definite inconsistency at work (yeah, so much for the "Soul Society is doomed. DOOMED!" hype), but if this were like DBZ where a higher power level = victory all of the time, the battle would have ended a long time ago. Soi Fong didn't win her fight thanks to overpowering strength either. The truth is that the unexpected can happen on the battlefield, and its flaws and cliches notwithstanding Bleach apparently hasn't entirely forgotten this fact.

[Rud]

I will say this, there had better be a reaction from Aizen next chapter other than the usual "meh" we always get (its getting old), seriously, there's just no way he can brush this one off.

[bigdeath]

Why would this mean that Hisagi is comparable to Tousen? From where I'm standing, it means that he got a lucky shot. I'd say there's definite inconsistency at work (yeah, so much for the "Soul Society is doomed. DOOMED!" hype), but if this were like DBZ where a higher power level = victory all of the time, the battle would have ended a long time ago. Soi Fong didn't win her fight thanks to overpowering strength either. The truth is that the unexpected can happen on the battlefield, and its flaws and cliches notwithstanding Bleach apparently hasn't entirely forgotten this fact.


But we want crazy powerlevel DBZ fights. :p

This was so short and anti-climatic. All the long overdrawn build up for this? What a huge waste. If the fight was going to be this short then we should have gotten this over with 150 or more chapters ago.

[Captain Highwind]

Another Hollow release.

Another Moth.

[anime_guru]

Another Hollow release.

Another Moth.

and sadly no exequinas commander to take the remains...
what if there are stronger on the horizon ala the privaron espada? Which means this is going to drag

[zoombie]

So one of Aizen's two main flunkies, granted his importance to Aizen is way below that of Ichimaru, is dead along with the rest of the Espada, Aizen is running out of followers.

I wonder how much longer this Aizen story will last, if we will move on to a new villain in this story. Or maybe has a another gang of followers he has been hiding until he needed them.

[RockmanDash]

So one of Aizen's two main flunkies, granted his importance to Aizen is way below that of Gin, is dead along with the rest of the Espada, Aizen is running out of followers.

I wonder how much longer this Aizen story will last, if we will move on to a new villain in this story.

If Tosen is really 100% dead, and from how things are going, then there is probably going to be some huge twists, possibly Aizen's defeat and leading to the next arc.

[kaine23]

I CAN SEE!!!

*sneak attack*

[garfield15]

I wonder how much longer this Aizen story will last, if we will move on to a new villain in this story. Or maybe has a another gang of followers he has been hiding until he needed them.
I would not be surprised if this happens at all.

I'd probably stop reading it for a while, but I wouldn't be surprised.

[Lelouch]

If Tosen is really 100% dead, and from how things are going, then there is probably going to be some huge twists, possibly Aizen's defeat and leading to the next arc.


It's not really a twist if Aizen is defeated, eh? I mean...does anyone really expect him to win?

As an aside, I truly think Aizen was waiting for Tousen to die. Tousen is perhaps the one person who was the biggest threat to Aizen due to his blindness and bankai. Now that he is out of the way, he won't have worries. Except against Ichigo of course...he has plotkai.

Oh, and I am still in the boat that believes Gin will be the final enemy and that he is completely playing Aizen. He is just too much of a snide bastard to be 2nd in command.

[Captain Highwind]

Oh, and I am still in the boat that believes Gin will be the final enemy and that he is completely playing Aizen. He is just too much of a snide bastard to be 2nd in command.

Shonen protocol specifically states that one minion has to overlap into the next arc.

I'd still put him at "lackey" though, since it's such a tradition.

[garfield15]

Shonen protocol specifically states that one minion has to overlap into the next arc.
But Gin already is a minion that overlapped into the next arc. :D

[Beat]

But we're running out of 80's villains to cosplay!

I guess Gin can be Mumm-Ra.

[zoombie]

I'd still put him at "lackey" though, since it's such a tradition.

I called him a flunky before, lacky and flunky are close to the same thing.

The peeking order of Aizen followers in their closeness to Aizen, Tosen is way above the Espadas or any kind of Arrancar, but Gin is way above him.

[mumbo]

With the way that the Espada and now Tosen have been going down (assuming Tosen is dead), there's got to be a big twist.

I'm thinking that Aizen will have planned for all his minions to die, or was indifferent which way the war went, because with the total death of either side he gets all the souls he needs to create the Oken (due to some convoluted reason).

That or Gin turns on Aizen, Gin is the main villain, and all of the Espada + Tosen dying was his idea to set Aizen up or something.

But all of this villain slaughtering has to be some villain's plan, because they're going down too easy. Otherwise...that just plain sucks.

Kubo did probably set up way too many villains (ten Espada, plus Wonderweiss, plus Aizen and two captains) in the first place though, to the point where they pretty much had to go down this way or otherwise this whole arc would last a decade.

No matter what happens, though, Gin is surviving this arc. He has to. He's too mysterious not to.

[Rud]

Aizen has been planning his plan since way before he was even a Vice Captain (and he was a Vice Captain 110 years ago). He has to have had more planned than just the Espada, if that's all he had then i will be extremely unsatisfied.

[FireStarterLE]

Do you have idea what kind of massive EPIC FAIL it will be if this all turns out to be one of Azien's illusions. :sweat:

Well thankfully Ichigo hasn't seen Kyoka Suigetsu so as soon as he arrives he'll be able to tell if there are any illusions around because the only thing Ichigo will see, will be the real people and not the fakes.

I'm guessing Aizen is the main villain and he has a very deep plan that accounts for all these things that are happening (Espada falling and Kaname getting "beat")

[Scirel]

OOh, Forget Gin, Wonderweiss is going to fight next, because he'll be pissed at tousen's death.

[Mett]

I also think Tousen is also just losing his sight again. But if he died then wow.

[RockmanDash]

OOh, Forget Gin, Wonderweiss is going to fight next, because he'll be pissed at tousen's death.

Oh snap, two of his friend's deaths would drive him into release. o_o

[Rocketboy]

Kubo said at JUMP Festa that the arrancar arc will end around June, then there will be a small arc which will lead up to the next big one.

[Jacob T. Paschal]

Kubo said at JUMP Festa that the arrancar arc will end around June, then there will me a small arc which will lead up to the next big one.

A post-Aizen era?

Now that has seemed like a far-off dream for those of you who have been following the series weekly, I am sure.

[RockmanDash]

So we got more of this until next year June eh? Looks like this is only the beginning of the last battle with Aizen then. I'm guessing were getting Kensei vs WonderWeiss and then Aizen vs Shinji. And somehow Aizen gaining the key and running off which leads to the final battle between him and Ichigo.

Or that's my guess anyways, anybody with Kira can fight Gin at this rate.

[ShadowGUN]

Kubo said at JUMP Festa that the arrancar arc will end around June, then there will be a small arc which will lead up to the next big one.

Cool. I guess the small arc will be the one that focus on Isshin Kurosaki. I wonder if the next big arc will focus on Hell?

[Captain Highwind]

Kubo said at JUMP Festa that the arrancar arc will end around June

Oh my lord.

[Grave]

Yeah, if I don't see any new bankai's I might not be able to hold out.

[RockmanDash]

Yeah, if I don't see any new bankai's I might not be able to hold out.

Do what I usually do, take a long break of the series and come back in a year. xP Fast new material that way.

[Grave]

If I do that then I might as well not come back to the series since it's pretty hard for me to get back into things if I spend too much time away from it. (Probably more reasonable if you said a month) But thanks for the idea though.

[garfield15]

Kubo said at JUMP Festa that the arrancar arc will end around June, Thank Christ.

then there will be a small arc which will lead up to the next big one.Does he mean like how the Arrancar arc seamlessly led up to Hueco Mundo arc or like how The Substitue arc was almost like a different entity compared to the Soul Society arc.

Also (crosses fingers for tournament arc)

[Rud]

Thank Christ.
Does he mean like how the Arrancar arc seamlessly led up to Hueco Mundo arc or like how The Substitue arc was almost like a different entity compared to the Soul Society arc.

Im assuming it will be something like the Turn Back The Pendulum mini arc only bigger (that was only what, 10 chapters?), maybe involving squad 0 (maybe?) or Isshin, that of course leads to something else.

[ShadowGUN]

Some more news from Jump Festa

Stage Report: Bleach
+ The current arc is soon on climax
+ He's originally not the type to work out a plan, so he still hasn't decided on a concrete end to the arrancar arc.
+ But from this onwards, he's told them there's to be 2 more arcs.
+The next arc is a short one, and there's an initiative for the next one.
+ There was a large response for Ulquiorra's death around the world.
+ He didn't declare whether Ulquiorra was alive or not.
+ The popular ones among the vizards are Hirako and Hiyori
+ Hirako is really easy to draw (art wise)
+ There was a meeting yesterday at the hotel regarding the movie.
+ I want to create a good one after resting for 1 year.

Wanna bet he return as one of the good guys?

[garfield15]

Hell if a minion's gonna survive, I guess it's a good thing it's that one and not someone even more annoying.


+ He's originally not the type to work out a plan, so he still hasn't decided on a concrete end to the arrancar arc. Why?

+ But from this onwards, he's told them there's to be 2 more arcs.

Each one longer than the last. :p

[Jacob T. Paschal]

The man has the same writing style as Toriyama: make it up as you go along.


Hey there, Cell arc!!

[zoombie]

Some more news from Jump Festa

Stage Report: Bleach
+ The current arc is soon on climax
+ He's originally not the type to work out a plan, so he still hasn't decided on a concrete end to the arrancar arc.
+ But from this onwards, he's told them there's to be 2 more arcs.
+The next arc is a short one, and there's an initiative for the next one.
+ There was a large response for Ulquiorra's death around the world.
+ He didn't declare whether Ulquiorra was alive or not.
+ The popular ones among the vizards are Hirako and Hiyori
+ Hirako is really easy to draw (art wise)
+ There was a meeting yesterday at the hotel regarding the movie.
+ I want to create a good one after resting for 1 year.

Wanna bet he return as one of the good guys?

What does that say of the world that rapiest are so popular.

[RockmanDash]

So there is going to be two arcs left? o_o One small one and one last huge one, and he has no idea how he's going to end the arrancar arc? xP Looks like he's still trying to figure out Aizen's defeat.

I'm going to take a guess and say that Ichigo's dad was once part of the royal guard for the Soul Society's king, and the last arc revolves the Soul Society's king trying to execute the Vizards and Ichigo for going beyond Shinigami and becoming part hollow. Or..so that's what I would guess at anyways, and mix some Hell arc into there and you got yourself a final battle.

Bleach will probably be over in 3 more years at this rate.(Tite probably learned he shouldn't strech a arc out this long xP)

And.. The return of Ulquorria would be pretty interesting, that could mark Grimmjow and Nel's return as well

[Neo Ultra Mike]

Originally posted by [B]Jacob T. Paschal
The man has the same writing style as Toriyama: make it up as you go along.


Hey there, Cell arc!! [/QUOTE]

I thought Toriyama's approach (especially during the Cell arc) was "make it up for the fans/editors and if they like the idea and it's popular it's in" which is why that arc rotated villians due to the older andriods not being popular and the idea of cell being popular then 17 and 18.

As for these spoilers I have two things I want to say.

1. If Ulqouirra's not dead, then that DEFINTLEY leaves the door open for Starrk and Harribel not being dead. Especially Harribel who didn't get a flashback and wasn't shown even disintergrating like Ulqouirra (also Aizen has a bad habit of letting people live he stabs through. Remember Hinamori).

2. Wasn't one of the spoilers that this year we'd see Unohana fight someone? Yeah uh...THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN. So I'm taking what Kubo and people speaking for Kubo with a grain of salt since it's not always the most reliable news.

[Captain Highwind]

Here's a spoiler: Orihime secretly resurrects Ulquiorra and they become closet lovers :B

Not that Ichigo cares...

[Beat]

Here's a spoiler: Orihime secretly resurrects Ulquiorra and they become closet lovers :B

Not that Ichigo cares...

Hooray for UlquiHime!


http://th03.deviantart.net/fs50/300W/f/2009/278/b/4/A_Breath_of_Sunshine_by_Rusky_Boz.jpg

I should be happy that we'll see more of the Devilman cosplayer, but still...

[Demonic Raven]

Wasn't one of the spoilers that this year we'd see Unohana fight someone? Yeah uh...THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN. So I'm taking what Kubo and people speaking for Kubo with a grain of salt since it's not always the most reliable news. He was approximating. He makes it up as he goes with at least SOME planning somewhere in his crazy head, and he thought he'd get to the part where Unohana starts doing stuff a little sooner. She may be fighting early next year at the rate we're going, so it's not like he was terribly off.
Here's a spoiler: Orihime secretly resurrects Ulquiorra and they become closet lovers :B

Not that Ichigo cares...
Does anyone think this is feasible? Not the closet lovers part, the resurrection part....

Orihime could, in theory, resurrect someone without even an original piece to work off of. She could resurrect Ulquiorra and sick him on Aizen, since he's betrayed the Espada by now.

[Jacob T. Paschal]

The man has the same writing style as Toriyama: make it up as you go along.


Hey there, Cell arc!!

I thought Toriyama's approach (especially during the Cell arc) was "make it up for the fans/editors and if they like the idea and it's popular it's in" which is why that arc rotated villians due to the older andriods not being popular and the idea of cell being popular then 17 and 18.

As for these spoilers I have two things I want to say.

1. If Ulqouirra's not dead, then that DEFINTLEY leaves the door open for Starrk and Harribel not being dead. Especially Harribel who didn't get a flashback and wasn't shown even disintergrating like Ulqouirra (also Aizen has a bad habit of letting people live he stabs through. Remember Hinamori).

2. Wasn't one of the spoilers that this year we'd see Unohana fight someone? Yeah uh...THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN. So I'm taking what Kubo and people speaking for Kubo with a grain of salt since it's not always the most reliable news.

Well, I believe for the most part the whole series was done on the fly, but yeah: it was (past editors) who were calling him up and telling him to change the villains.

[Don_East]

Excuse me...

***BANGS HEAD AGAINST WALL AT THE THOUGHT OF ULQOUIRRA COMING BACK WHILE SCREAMING "WHY?"***


No, I mean it! Why is he so damn popular? He's an unlikeable ass with no real redeemable traits. Oh, wha'ts that? He's so pretty? Who cares? The guy is an outright jerk and doesn't deserve someone like Orihime. There's nothing romantic about a someone taking a girl against her will and constantly make her feel bad.

Looks like Devilman? Yeah he wishes.

[Beat]

Oh come on, she forgave him. And the fans love it.

http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs49/f/2009/189/e/7/ulquihime_by_inoue_fanclub.jpg

(There are over 3000 UlquiHime pics on Deviantart alone. Kubo is caving in to his fans it seems)

[RockmanDash]

Excuse me...

***BANGS HEAD AGAINST WALL AT THE THOUGHT OF ULQOUIRRA COMING BACK WHILE SCREAMING "WHY?"***


No, I mean it! Why is he so damn popular? He's an unlikeable ass with no real redeemable traits. Oh, wha'ts that? He's so pretty? Who cares? The guy is an outright jerk and doesn't deserve someone like Orihime. There's nothing romantic about a someone taking a girl against her will and constantly make her feel bad.

Looks like Devilman? Yeah he wishes.

I don't know Don...I think a Ichigo and Ulq team up would be kind of badass in it's own way. =p

[Jacob T. Paschal]

He's an unlikeable ass with no real redeemable traits.

Sort of like Vegeta.

Except Vegeta was an arrogant ass.

And got married and had a kid...

...then again, such is not impossible for Ulq and Orihime, one would likely find amusing.



And then, Jacob was mysteriously found murdered.

[Grave]

Oh come on, she forgave him. And the fans love it.


Speak for yourself. I hate all this shipping crap.

[Lelouch]

I personally enjoyed Ulquiorra and would love to see him back. It really wouldn't be the same if he came back and was good though. Still, I wouldn't mind Kubo reviving the connection he and Orihime had.

*gets shot*

[Rud]

lol, from the moment Ulquiorra first kicked kicked Ichigo's ass (and punched that hole into him) he became my favorite character (even more when i saw his second release), hes just so ruthless and badass, and yeah, he looks cool (especially that second release), if he comes back i wont be upset, and the next time he dies hopefully it wont be through plotkai.

Don_East.... Ulquiorra is not pretty.

[Beat]

Speak for yourself. I hate all this shipping crap.

Admittedly, some of it is watching Don East squirm.

Besides, it's not like Kubo KNOWS how to write romance.

[veemonjosh]

There's nothing romantic about a someone taking a girl against her will and constantly make her feel bad.

Yeah, I don't see Orihime as the kind of twisted girl who's into that sort of thing...


Sort of like Vegeta.

Except Vegeta was an arrogant ass.

And got married and had a kid...

...then again, such is not impossible for Ulq and Orihime, one would likely find amusing.

Ever since their introduction, I've always viewed Ulquiorra and Yammy as the Vegeta and Nappa of the Bleach universe (even right down to how they first made their presence known). :p

Except, you know...Yammy's been around twenty times longer than Nappa was.

[Luna]

I've been busy,and only just got around to reading this week's chapter,and what Kubo said at Jump Festa....



Excuse me...

***BANGS HEAD AGAINST WALL AT THE THOUGHT OF ULQOUIRRA COMING BACK WHILE SCREAMING "WHY?"***


No, I mean it! Why is he so damn popular? He's an unlikeable ass with no real redeemable traits. Oh, wha'ts that? He's so pretty? Who cares? The guy is an outright jerk and doesn't deserve someone like Orihime. There's nothing romantic about a someone taking a girl against her will and constantly make her feel bad.

Looks like Devilman? Yeah he wishes.:D...I agree about the shipping part...I find it sad that ANYONE could possibly see this as a good pairing,let alone that it's one of the more popular ones (Stockholm Syndrome...just sooo romantic :shrug:...please).... He's a major jerk to her,and besides,she doesn't love him...at best,she felt sorry for him....Then again,none of the really popular pairings make any canon sense,and the ones that do are ignored and/or disliked by much of the fandom...My advice is to just ignore it as best you can...

I don't care one way or the other if Ulquiorra comes back(as I've said before,I see him as a bland character with an interesting design),though frankly,I'd much rather have Grimmjow back in the story...

As for the last chapter,I thought it was awesome when Hisagi hit Tosen (just as he's gained sight,he's apparently too distracted to avoid an attack he would've easily evaded before)....Tosen's another character I'm indifferent to,so I don't care one way or the other if he dies...

...and they're making ANOTHER movie?....Hopefully Orihime,Chad and Uryu get some decent screentime this time around (I doubt it,but hey,I can dream)...

[Captain Highwind]

...and they're making ANOTHER movie?

This film's focus will be Hollow Ichigo. (http://www.japanator.com/bleach-movie-4-announced-ichigo-gets-hollow-again-12749.phtml)


....Hopefully Orihime,Chad and Uryu get some decent screentime this time around (I doubt it,but hey,I can dream)...

If there's a punching bag needed, Chad will be there!

[Lelouch]

Interesting. Hichigo has always been one of my favorite characters, so it can't hurt to have him be featured in a movie. This is of course assuming Ichigo has to deal with him...which I hope he does...

[veemonjosh]

Hopefully Orihime,Chad and Uryu get some decent screentime this time around (I doubt it,but hey,I can dream)...

The most Orihime'll do is stand around and say "Oh Ichigo..." with her hands held together. Which, much to Don East's dismay...is pretty much the most she's really done since she pwned-slapped Ulquiorra (healing people doesn't count).

Then again, with Hollow Ichigo as the main focus of the movie, she might have a less-pathetic role.

[RockmanDash]

Oh snap this movie might be canon if it keeps this up.


http://www.japanator.com/elephant//ul/12749-bleach-movie-4-announced-time-for-more-hollow-ichigo/BleachMovie4-620x.jpg
http://www.japanator.com/elephant/photo.phtml?post_key=12749&photo_key=13548

[veemonjosh]

Oh snap this movie might be canon if it keeps this up.

Well, if it worked for One Piece... :p

(Though, keep in mind that Oda hasn't outright said that movie 10 is canon, and they haven't said if Kubo is going to be involved with this even half as much as Oda was for Strong World...but still.)

[garfield15]

Anyone ever wonder if we'll ever make a new Bleach manga thread? :p

[RockmanDash]

Anyone ever wonder if we'll ever make a new Bleach manga thread? :p

Were still in the same arc so probably once it ends in June we can get a new thread going.

[FireStarterLE]

Anyone ever wonder if we'll ever make a new Bleach manga thread? :p

Yep, as mentioned a new thread usually isn't created until the arc ends.

And if you overlook the arcs inside of arcs, we're still in the Arrancar arc. Chapter 195 picks up with everyone sulking after Yammy/Ulqy smashed around everyone and left.

[Captain Highwind]

And if you overlook the arcs inside of arcs, we're still in the Arrancar arc. Chapter 195 picks up with everyone sulking after Yammy/Ulqy smashed around everyone and left.

*Clicks on first page*

OMG that was 2005. So many years...this manga eats lives.

[veemonjosh]

...We've been in this arc for nearly 5 years?

This has got to be a new record for the longest story arc of anything, seriously.

Edit: And I just noticed that this topic started the month I joined Toon Zone...God, that feels like an eternity ago.

[Beat]

And people think One Piece is long. This is like Namek times 10.

[garfield15]

And people think One Piece is long. This is like Namek times 10.
Ironic considering that in the manga's time, it's only been like 3 or 4 hours.

[Rud]

Ironic considering that in the manga's time, it's only been like 3 or 4 hours.

Since the first time Ulq beat ichigo it has been over 2 hours, but this arc has been going on for a month (manga time).

[FireStarterLE]

Since the first time Ulq beat ichigo it has been over 2 hours, but this arc has been going on for a month (manga time).

In Bleach time ... winter had better be next week or two weeks or something (aka around May/June I guess?)

otherwise, if we're still in like the summer we've got a l(oo^100)ng ways to go :eek: and if that's the case, here's hoping they calculated wrong and the hogyoku opens before winter!!!!

[RockmanDash]

In Bleach time ... winter had better be next week or two weeks or something (aka around May/June I guess?)

otherwise, if we're still in like the summer we've got a l(oo^100)ng ways to go :eek: and if that's the case, here's hoping they calculated wrong and the hogyoku opens before winter!!!!

Wait hold on guys I just had a thought. Now Ichigo has a high level of spiritual pressure right..? And Aizen said before that someone with way more than a captain's level could awaken the Hōgyoku even just for a short time, what if Aizen is well aware of Ichigo's strength and plans on having each other clash at the same time with so much energy that the Hōgyoku awakens early?


......It's Muramasa all over again.*hides*

But it makes somewhat sense I suppose, I mean I'm sure Aizen is well aware of Ichigo's strength in some regard. And he'll probably have some "EXACTLY AS PLANNED" sooner or later..

[FireStarterLE]

There could be some truth to that

(chapter 229)
Aizen: "(Urahara) is probably unaware of the fact that when someone of higher than captain class reiatsu temporarily unites with the sleeping, unsealed Hōgyoku ... for a brief instant it displays a power equal to that of the Hōgyoku in it's awakened state"

*to create Wonderweiss all Aizen had to do was come into contact with the Hōgyoku

(chapter 382)
Unohana: *about Ichigo's current strength level* "Is his reiatsu only at half strength? Was I just under the illusion that his reiatsu must be at full strength because it was comparable to a captains?"

And Aizen left Yammy and Ulqy to protect Hueco Mundo but I bet he didn't leave the Hōgyoku there, I bet he brought the Hōgyoku with him.

Needless to say, when Ichigo arrives things should start to get interesting one way or another.

[garfield15]

......It's Muramasa all over again.*hides*

Well, we are aware that the Zanpakuto arc is mimicking the current arc in various ways...

[ShadowGUN]

This week chapter: Damn it Aizen. Stop killing your minions.

- Color pages features Hollow Tousen and Ichigo and friends celebration Christmas.
- Shinji release his sword.
- He and Aizen begin to fight. Shinji manages to cut Aizen (appear tobe the real deal), but Aizen also cut Shinji.
- Tousen begins to explain why he did the thing he did to Komamura and Hisagi. He appear to apologize them.
- Aizen, being the bastard that he is, kills Tousen(watch your back Gin). Komamura is angry.
- Chapter ends with Ichigo arriving behind Aizen.

[garfield15]

Aizen....what the hell is wrong with you? Well, anyone wanting confirmation, this is probably it.

I really thought this would be Komamura's epic battle too....

(Hmmm...shonen law also dictates that when the main villain does this too many times, karma catches up. Maybe Aizen should watch his own back from Gin)

[Beat]

OK, so I guess if Tousen was playing CC, Aizen is now Serpentor.

"NO ONE SHALL GET MORE SCREENTIME OR CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT THAN I! THIS I COMMAND!"

[Mr. Obsession]

Two pics:
Shinji's shikai in action
http://img709.imageshack.us/img709/1875/img0306l.jpg
Looks like it makes things appear backwards as previously speculated.
Ichigo
http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/7996/img0313ng.jpg

[Captain Highwind]

Ichigo...where is your blindfold...? - -;

Aizen: Here look at my sword!

Ichigo: Okay!

Unohana: *facepalm*

[RockmanDash]

Ok I seriously will say this, Ichigo's entrance was the least expected entrance I would of saw for him. I really thought he was going to copy Shinji on how he rescued him against Grimmjow. And..it was kind of badass.

AND OH SNAP AIZEN GOT CUT! Yep guys we are really reaching a conclusion, this invincible villain that we've been looking at for so many years got cut by Shinji! (even if it wasn't really a cut but still..THAT SWORD HIT HIM!)

I can finally understand why Shinji sometimes floats upside down now, it's apart of his shikai, makes sense I suppose.

Next time in three weeks:Ichigo vs Aizen
Shinji(And maybe Kira?) vs Gin?

[Mett]

By the looks of Ichigo's robes, hes got all his power back up :D

[Grave]

Ichigo
http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/7996/img0313ng.jpg


That pic reminds me of when Urahara was about to attack Aizen in the TBTP chapters.

[ShadowGUN]

Next time in three weeks:Ichigo vs Aizen
Shinji(And maybe Kira?) vs Gin?

Hopefully this time Aizen doesn't stop Ichigo's zanpaktou ( as well as Ichigo's theme song "Number 1") with one finger. I' ll really dissapointed if he does.

[Grave]

Hopefully this time Aizen doesn't stop Ichigo's zanpaktou ( as well as Ichigo's theme song "Number 1") with one finger. I' ll really dissapointed if he does.

I don't mind him stopping the sword, but I definately hope he interrupts that theme. I hate that theme.

[Beat]

I don't see Ichigo being able to touch Aizen. It'll be a one-sided drubbing ala BJ Penn vs. anyone at 155.

[Mett]

That pic reminds me of when Urahara was about to attack Aizen in the TBTP chapters.

Or when Ulqiorra attacked Ichigo's Resurrection from behind cutting off one of his horns :p

[Rud]

Or when Ulqiorra attacked Ichigo's Resurrection from behind cutting off one of his horns :p
Or like when Wonderweiss was trying to get Urahara's hat from behind him, lol.

[garfield15]

Yeah, Kubo loves that "Oh snap someone's attacking me from the back" face.

Of course, Aizen being the ass he is...

[Demonic Raven]

Man...Aizen is a teamkilling assclown. Seriously, can we get a voteban going?

Oh wait, Admin Ichigo is here!

[RockmanDash]

Or like when Wonderweiss was trying to get Urahara's hat from behind him, lol.

Speaking of Wonderweiss, I'm a bit curious why that fight has not concluded yet, unless that's up next. I kind of want to see Wonderweiss dead so we can only have Gin and Aizen left.

[Jacob T. Paschal]

Yeesh, talk about kicking a soul broth'a when he's down, Aizen.


I'm terribly sorry for that pun. I know it was awful.


*Goes back to his corner*

[ShadowGUN]

Aizen face when Shinji cut him was priceless :D.

[Grave]

"Sigh" These people have got to learn to stop explaining their abilities in the middle of a fight. I know it's for us to understand it and all, but it urks me to see babblin off at the mouth about their abilities and know good and well that Aizen is a probably the best strategist in the series. Explain the ability after you critically harmed the opponent.. A cut on the arm is nothing to be gloatin over >_>

Aizen's face was indeed priceless, but Shinji's face made up for it.

[Jacob T. Paschal]

It's a Shônen, that sort of thing is a staple storytelling technique.

[RockmanDash]

....^^ I might just have Aizen's face as my avatar next.

[Grave]

It's a Shônen, that sort of thing is a staple storytelling technique.

Like I said, I know it's for our understanding of it. It's just getting tiresome to see characters being done in because of the same thing over and over.

[garfield15]

Well now, who is this strange character who bursts onto the scene like he's the main character or something?

(Funny thing is, the way he shows up reminds me of that same scene in "After Dark")

I know I'm not supposed to focus on this stuff especially at this late in the game in Bleach but I really can't believe a Captain+Vizard+Hollowification lost to a Shikai-using Vice-Captain. I mean, maybe if he was tired after wiping the floor with Komamura it would be a little bit more believable but no, he wasn't even breaking a sweat.

[Lelouch]

Why? I can completely believe it.

It isn't that Hisagi is stronger than Tousen, because he isn't. It is the fact that he forgot the basics and went a bit mad with power, losing his focus. Hisagi took this moment of weakness and used it to his advantage.

If anything I'd say this is one of the battles where it doesn't seem like a hax.

[RockmanDash]

And because we all want to see a owned Aizen for Christmas..

http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/8167/aizenowned.png

Yet Shinji really should of shut up when he had the chance, he basically gave away his whole shikai and Aizen caught on pretty dang quick.

[garfield15]

Hmm...put that way, that is true.

It's just that I figured a combination of those three god-modding powers should have made him last a bit longer. Oh well, he's dead now so it's moot.

[bigdeath]

Tousen lives and we get Azien's O.O face, I got my bleach chirstmas present. :D

[silverwings]

Well just caught up on the last 20 chapters (I fell behind) - WOW. :D

Srsly, people need to stop explaining things until the other guy is dead. I am still irked that the old man *still* hasn't done anything. Why is he even there?

So, last I checked the ongoing fights are Byakuya/Kenpachi vs. Yami and Kensai vs. Wonderweiss. Everything else is resolved, right?

[Chronos]

I am still irked that the old man *still* hasn't done anything. Why is he even there?


Well it seems that Aizen is extremely well prepared for this confrontation so it would be foolish for Soul Society's resident powerhouse and last line of defense to jump in blindly and get caught in some kind of trap.

He's done nothing? Dude he took out that "triple arm fusion" goliath like it was an infant.

[Baseball]

Where the hell is everybody? Why aren't Shinji and Yamamoto teaming up? I mean, it's cool and all, but everyone's disappeared.

Also, as always, near-fatal wounds mean nothing to anybody in Bleach.

[Grave]

Where the hell is everybody? Why aren't Shinji and Yamamoto teaming up? I mean, it's cool and all, but everyone's disappeared.

Exactly. The more Yamamoto stands around doing nothing the more fed up I get with this series.

[ShadowGUN]

Where the hell is everybody? Why aren't Shinji and Yamamoto teaming up? I mean, it's cool and all, but everyone's disappeared.

Also, as always, near-fatal wounds mean nothing to anybody in Bleach.

They are there. It just that Shinji's Shikai is messing with your senses :p.

As for why Yamamoto isn't jumping in, he too is affected by Aizen ilusion. If Yamamoto attacks him, Aizen just uses his shikai and he would have kill him.

[Mr. Obsession]

Yeah, Shinji should have gone for the killing blow while Aizen was disoriented. Reversing perseption is useful, but it's probably the one ability that anyone who is remotly cometent can figure out and compensate for fairly quickly. Shinji's bragging resulted in a massive missed oppertunity.

I did like how Aizen went from smug to annoyed when Ichigo broke through Soul Society's barrier.

And bonus points to Komamura for, while not forgiving Tosen, at least being man enough to treat a dying friend with some measure of kindness in his last moments.

[Luna]

I actually felt sorry for Tosen in the end...He let his obsession with revenge (for his dead friend) take over his whole life,while turning his back on allies he had in Soul Society (Komamura and Hisagi)....
Shinji's power is revealed,and even suprised Aizen,if only for a moment...
Aizen kills yet another subordinate (hopefully,he'll get what's coming to him eventually)...and,just as the chapter ends,Ichigo shows up...

Also,I really loved the second color picture in this week's chapter(I would love a poster of it...I have one of my other favorite colored manga picture,it's the one from the back cover of volume 23) ...It seems to be a New Years-type scene with Rukia,Renji,Ichigo and Orihime...

[bklien]

1. What happens to Niellel, Dondochakka and Pesche when Ichigo left Hueco Mundo?
2. What happened to Grimmjow?

[RockmanDash]

Nel is on the sandy floor knocked out alongside Grimmjow. Peche and Dondo are always written out and randomly thrown in so =p they just magically vanished for now.

[Rahxepy]

:crying: TOUSSEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEENNNNN!!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!! he was one of my favorite characters. I was really rooting for him. %*#$$*$&@$ Azien ARRGHHHHHHH:mad: Good Chapter though. Can't wait for the next.

[Beat]

Exactly. The more Yamamoto stands around doing nothing the more fed up I get with this series.

Look at the bright side. He isn't going "Kurosaki-kun" while standing around.