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Paul_Cousins
06-30-2009, 02:46 PM
Ah, quite an interesting theory...
I really hadn't thought about that possibility. That being said, would the Grandfather's personality really be able to change the whole of Barragan?
(Why are we using Spoiler Tags again? It is speculation, but ah well...)
Also, my doubts have further heightened about Harribel, due to the fact that she is so concerned with taking out Yamamoto. While she seems to have a level-head, she also seems very loyal to Aizen at the same time.I read the theory off of tvtropes in their Wild Mass Guess (WMG) section on Bleach.
Captain Highwind
07-01-2009, 08:29 AM
I'm torn between this and Barragan being Chad's grandfather. His muscular form seems more in line with Chad's rather than Uryu's. Plus they both had the 'stache.
But Chad's grandpa didn't have the 'fro.
Mr. Obsession
07-01-2009, 12:06 PM
Didn't he wear a hat all the time?
EDIT:
I know I already did this. But...
What is a 'Superchunky' anyway?
http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/1802/suphachunkeh.jpg
This is a Superchunky!
D=
More:
http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/5012/img108d.jpg
http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/9403/img114f.jpg
Take that Captain Popularity! :p
http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/1396/img115o.jpg
http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/4750/img122w.jpg
http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/7585/img123o.jpg
Katsumara
07-01-2009, 02:16 PM
Epic chapter of Bleach calls for an epic early release. All I have to say is.. Awesome. The last couple pages were so especially.
Paul_Cousins
07-01-2009, 02:22 PM
Didn't he wear a hat all the time?
EDIT:
I know I already did this. But...
http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/1802/suphachunkeh.jpg
This is a Superchunky!
D=
More:
http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/5012/img108d.jpg
http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/9403/img114f.jpg
Take that Captain Popularity! :p
http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/1396/img115o.jpg
http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/4750/img122w.jpg
http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/7585/img123o.jpgI admire how much Kubo is a HP Lovecraft fan. He just comes up with one Lovecraft inspired horror after another. :evil:
And the "oh crap" look on the faces of the Soul Reaper Captains is priceless. :evil:
Lelouch
07-01-2009, 02:28 PM
What an epic way to end the chapter. Now watch him switch over to HM...
Anyways, you know, I wonder if the Vizard will really side with SS. If anything I could see them wanting to fight both, seeing as they were betrayed by both essentially.
That being said, I'm sure they have more anger towards Aizen...but really, even though he got them exiled and whatnot, he really gave them an incredible power so to speak...
I wonder how Nel ranks up with Harribel, I think it would be an intense fight. Of course, Nel can't use her full power now because of the kid thing, but yeah. Speaking of Nel, Nnoitora didn't like her because she was a woman that was ahead of him right? What about Harribel? Was that grudge just gone once she showed up?
Kira was all hopeless, i was like "why is someone like you one of the guys still standing!??", lol.
GWOtaku
07-01-2009, 02:50 PM
Gotta be careful to not assume the worst based on spoilers. It turned out better than I imagined, since they didn't KO all the captains at once. Just Ukitake and Shusui basically, though it's still annoying to have them not do much real fighting. That aside, I don't doubt that the Vaizards will be taking center stage now.
anime_guru
07-01-2009, 03:21 PM
What an epic way to end the chapter. Now watch him switch over to HM...
Anyways, you know, I wonder if the Vizard will really side with SS. If anything I could see them wanting to fight both, seeing as they were betrayed by both essentially.
That being said, I'm sure they have more anger towards Aizen...but really, even though he got them exiled and whatnot, he really gave them an incredible power so to speak...
I wonder how Nel ranks up with Harribel, I think it would be an intense fight. Of course, Nel can't use her full power now because of the kid thing, but yeah. Speaking of Nel, Nnoitora didn't like her because she was a woman that was ahead of him right? What about Harribel? Was that grudge just gone once she showed up?
but then considering it wasn't soul society but central 46 controlled by aizen that caused them to be expelled, what is their beef with soul society? I mean if anything they did help so to speak...
I am sure they will have more power over aizen or rather more motive but what I would like to see is some of the vaizards lose control and it is discovered they are the true vasto lordes...
warnerbroman
07-01-2009, 03:38 PM
I bet there were doing that " little green bag/ Reservoir Dogs" walk to get there
thenewme93
07-01-2009, 03:58 PM
Awesome Entrance for an awesome Chapter. But why the hell would the Vizards have anything against SS? If anything SS is definetely the LESSER of two evils.
bigdeath
07-01-2009, 04:12 PM
Well, I guess Superchunky turned out to be a fitting (if silly) name.
soundmonkey44
07-01-2009, 04:16 PM
I just finished the latest chapter it had me worried, I thought the soul reapers were dead for sure! but I loved the way it ended!
HERE THE VIZARDS COME TO SAVE THE DAY!!!!!!:anime:
But I still have to ask where's Kiskue & Yuroichi?
Captain Highwind
07-01-2009, 04:51 PM
http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s97/Mr_Highwind/bleach/motivatorf66403097694151458134e38bb.jpg
You know, after the monster breaks wind to free Aizen and everybody, money could say they'll just leave and say something clever before the Vaizards even get to do anything...
Why is Mashiro holding her sword so awkwardly...?
RockmanDash
07-01-2009, 05:35 PM
But I still have to ask where's Kiskue & Yuroichi?
Ain't it obvious? They are waiting even longer than the Vizards to make even more of a epic entrance. Actually if anything they are probably planning to help with a way to escape if things got worse than planned.
Wait..forget Nel vs Harribel, what about Yoruichi vs Harribel? That to me is a real fight. =D
ShadowGUN
07-01-2009, 05:56 PM
Seeing the final page of chapter, I can picture "Number 1" playing in the background when it get animated. Whoa. the Superchunky Hollow is huge and powerful enough to turn off Yamamoto's fire cell. Speaking of him, I am surprised Yamamoto had a reaction to Ukitake and Shusui getting attacked. When the other Soul Reapers fell he didn't reacted that much. I guess since Ukitake and Shusui were his first students he fell closer to them. Next chapter is gonna be epic.
I am surprised Yamamoto had a reaction to Ukitake and Shusui getting attacked. When the other Soul Reapers fell he didn't reacted that much. I guess since Ukitake and Shusui were his first students he fell closer to them.
Nah, those guys weren't captains as far as hes concerned they can be replaced easily and if they die it wont make that much of a difference in the outcome of the fight. When Shunsui and Ukitake got hit thats a major blow to their winning chances.
FlyByNite77
07-01-2009, 09:25 PM
They are also Yanamoto's own pupils besides being two of the strongest and long-standing captains in Soul Society.
If Toshiro or Soi-Fong gets owned that's one thing, they're both kids pretty much.
Although this all plays into what I was saying ever since Arrancar were introduced. Aizen's whole thing (and Urahara's for that reason) was that Shinigami power levels had hit a ceiling and the merging of Hollow and Shinigami powers was to break that ceiling. So by that logic no matter how strong the strongest captain is they shouldn't be able to fight a captain-level hollow who has since powered up with shinigami strength mixed in.
Which makes the Vaizards being captain (and vice-captain) level powers who then gained hollow powers the likeliest to be able to fight on an even footing with the truly strong Arrancar and the only ones capable of fighting a Vasto Lorde class.
I'm sure that every one of the Vaizards (with the exception of Hachi) would be stronger in just their Shinigami powers then Soi Fong or Toshiro. We're talking about Shinigami who were Captains and Vice-Captains when Byakuya was still a little kid and well before either Toshiro or Soi Fong were ever born.
They've had a lot more time to grow stronger in just their Shinigami strength, now add to that their hollowification abilities and it should just dwarf that of the other Shinigami.
I'm sure Kubo has something he'll throw in to make the other Shinigami relevant because IMO power-wise the Vaizard make most of the other Shinigami worthless in a fight.
warnerbroman
07-01-2009, 09:31 PM
Speaking of him, I am surprised Yamamoto had a reaction to Ukitake and Shusui getting attacked. When the other Soul Reapers fell he didn't reacted that much. I guess since Ukitake and Shusui were his first students he fell closer to them. Next chapter is gonna be epic.those two are like his children
bigdeath
07-01-2009, 09:37 PM
If you couldn't tell from their fight in soul society, Yanamoto practically sees those two as his sons and his best students. He gave the feeling that if it was any of the other captains he would have killed them with no mercy.
Novapocalypse
07-01-2009, 09:48 PM
If you ask me this really shows how powerful the Espada are. When they are released, the SS Captains can take them down, but I am assuming the second release can only be beaten by another Espada or Vizard.(Ulqui had one, so I can assume the other top Espada do as well, right?)
Either way, Kubo's back to writing awesome again. Let's just hope he stays that way.
But wait..... doesn't this mean that the HM crew is screwed? Or is this where Ishinn and possibly Ishida's dad could show up?(it can be assumed those two are very powerful as well)
warnerbroman
07-01-2009, 09:55 PM
you forgot Onoha
also they have not showed their bankai (8 and 13)
Novapocalypse
07-01-2009, 10:12 PM
Well I suppose they could possibly also beat them with Bankai released but it looks like they got screwed before they could pull Bankai, and that's a loss.
But to be honest, we may finally see the Vizards kick some serious ass. That's worth it if you ask me.
warnerbroman
07-01-2009, 10:48 PM
I bet there were doing that " little green bag/ Reservoir Dogs" walk to get theredid I get it right?
Neo Ultra Mike
07-02-2009, 12:05 AM
Originally posted by FlyByNite77
I'm sure that every one of the Vaizards (with the exception of Hachi) would be stronger in just their Shinigami powers then Soi Fong or Toshiro. We're talking about Shinigami who were Captains and Vice-Captains when Byakuya was still a little kid and well before either Toshiro or Soi Fong were ever born.
I'd re-read The Vizard Backstory/Turn Back The Pendulum Arc again. Soi Fon was actually Yourouchi's vice captain at the time of the arc. She's defintley not one of the oldest captains but she was there over 110 years ago as a vice captain. Which makes her older then Byakuya, Gin, Toshuiro, possibly Kommamura and maybe Kenpachi. It was never exactly explained when he was made captain of squad 11.
Rocketboy
07-02-2009, 12:07 AM
He's not, since he was initiated as a captain when Tosen was one.
kaine23
07-02-2009, 01:36 AM
new chapter is out.
THE VIZARDS FINALLY SHOW UP!!
RockmanDash
07-02-2009, 01:39 AM
new chapter is out.
THE VIZARDS FINALLY SHOW UP!!
Your a bit late to the party about that subject:p.
Novapocalypse
07-02-2009, 01:41 AM
Seeing how easy it was for (Vizard?) Ichigo to take down Ulquiorra, the other Vizards should probably get through rather fast except with maybe Wonderweiss.(I recall something once of him being the first "Pure Arrancar" or something like that.)
Mr. Obsession
07-02-2009, 02:11 AM
Considering that Ulquiorra had to "kill" Ichigo before Ichigo was a match, and Ichigo didn't even know what was going on in his berserk state, I wouldn't exactly say that it was easy.
I guess it comes down to a few questions:
- Do the remaining Espada also have second releases?
- Did Ulquiorra's second release actually make him stronger than the remaining top three?
- How strong and how capable of rational thought Wonderweiss actually is? Is he stronger than Stark?
- Has Aizen used the Hogyoku on himself, Gin, or Tosen?
- Can the visoreds access their full hollow bodies?
What I suspect we'll see in the coming battle will be the remaining visoreds masks that haven't been shown yet. All the visored's individual shikai. And maybe, just maybe a bankai. Plus Hachi firing off 90's level kido without the incantations.
bigdeath
07-02-2009, 02:30 AM
Has Aizen used the Hogyoku on himself, Gin, or Tosen?
I'm guessing not yet so we can have a big dramatic event when he actually does use it on themselves.
FireStarterLE
07-02-2009, 03:30 AM
- Has Aizen used the Hogyoku on himself, Gin, or Tosen?
And lets not forget Aizen and Gin both have yet to use bankai.
*Nor has Yamamoto, Kyoraku, or Ukitake.
But based on recent chapter developments, these are probably not likely to happen anytime soon.
Lighthammer
07-02-2009, 04:33 AM
This is all assuming we dont magically jump back to Ichigo for the next 5 chapters >.>
I'd honestly have to say we have to assume the Vizards realistically believe they are strong enough to take on Superchunky.
They saw everyone else get omgwtfpwned and they AREN'T idiots. (Ok, one is, but thats besides the point).
We're most defiantly bound to see some amazing releases of something ... that's assuming, of course, we dont go back to HM.
I'm still wondering what Urhara, Yoruichi, Tessai, Ryukien and Isshin are up to.
Urhara is technically banned from Soul Society, but I wonder if the Captain-Commander threw that ruling out the Window in light of everything thats happened.
My hammer sense tells me something really cool is gonna happen when these folks reveal themselves and I think its gonna be soon (again, assuming we dont go back to HM for a few chapters).
On another tangent, is anyone interested what exactly Hachi meant when he told Orhime that their powers were similar? I have a feeling the depth of his powers (and Tessai's for that matter) is not limited to throwing around level 90 kidos with ease. If their story evolves the way any other major creature has in Bleach, they probably have some sort of 'zanpakutō' of their own.
anime_guru
07-02-2009, 08:16 AM
And lets not forget Aizen and Gin both have yet to use bankai.
*Nor has Yamamoto, Kyoraku, or Ukitake.
But based on recent chapter developments, these are probably not likely to happen anytime soon.
going to have to disagree at least in regard to kyoraku and yamaji. Now kubo can write that ukitake's injury has led him to a disadvantage and he would need help of one of the vizard of course, but kyoraku was only shot with one cero. I think he has plenty of fight left...if not too much. And in my opinion, one of the few fights that (hopefully) don't get vizard intervention. I think kyoraku can hold his own in that regard...as for the rest of the captains, yea they're screwed
And why hasn't yamaji done anything in god knows how many chapters? beats me...IMO he needs to fight a bit more...
Captain Highwind
07-02-2009, 08:20 AM
I thought it was implied that Aizen used the Hogyoku on himself and the others
I thought that was why they have the cool pants
Baseball
07-03-2009, 02:39 PM
So in the newest chapter of Bakuman, there's a panel with a stack of manga volumes that suspiciously are designed a lot like Bleach's. Considering the amount of real works actually in Bakuman, could this be a preview of an upcoming volume?
The panel in question has it listed as Volume 42, the title being "Been A Son."
zoombie
07-03-2009, 06:27 PM
Finally the story is moving along. Aizen, Gin, and Tozen finally make their move, and the Vizards show up. It looks like what others are predicted, the Shinigamis in trouble, and here come the Vizards to save the day, and clean up the mess, or at least try to.
About Harribel and Barranger still being alive, I thought all along some of the Espadas and / or Arrancars would survive long enough to realise what a scumbag Aizen is, and turn against him. Most of them would likely die for their betrayl, but still live long enough to have character development and realise their leader doesn't give a dam about them.
Now I can't wait to read the next chapter.
do you think Superchunky has a released form or is he already released?
RockmanDash
07-03-2009, 06:58 PM
do you think Superchunky has a released form or is he already released?
=p I don't think Superchunky even has those powers, if he anything..he's just super chunky.
warnerbroman
07-07-2009, 03:20 PM
anyone can understand this?
Barre
平子"or藍染SHITOTTA What's up?"
The spread of the face mask
Kira "Spirit of pressure equivalent to a person who rated Captain What They! Other's end."
Village狛"····"
藍染"As captain I平子this thanks."
藍染"真二平子there or move them to the end of all our踏MI出SE step今一"
平子"when you exist in the uterus of母CHAN変WARAN I do not藍染it is still hard見SETARU"
平子"implanted in my promiscuity, I wanted to take out your hand from the throat."
ZUッ
To mask all imaginary
Spiritual pressure to lie around
Kira "Oh Oh"
砕蜂"shadow mask! They"
平子"and so on藍染? Simultaneously saw the empty feeling just now?"
Stark, "藍染we are destroying his fellow servant??"
藍染"It's okay to dispose of failure."
Stark "OK"
Cerro fire
Cerro shoot to offset all the masks
Stark "Do Cerro and nitrous ANTARA"
Hiyori "BAKASHINJI! I'm in the best shot! YANAI Shimo Uta or are offset."
平子"twice in you I'm a big shot"
Hiyori "or whatever!"
Rose, "It would be a powerful force in the DAっARANKARU that it is not anyone you adjust things like that OK."
Lisa "I will go easy on the shot."
Rose "····"
平子"I find it hard to OTTA good guy and this world."
White, "Ken West was wrong? Afraid to face for quite a while."
Ken West, "Well I know I look!"
平子"Immortals East?"
ShadowGUN
07-07-2009, 04:21 PM
Spoilers
- Hirako ask Aizen how he's been. Aizen says he been doing well.
- Aizen ask Hirako to step away.
- The Vizards unleashed their Hollows masks. Soifon is surprised by this.
- Starks wonder who they are. Aizen say they were mistakes.
- Starks fires Ceros at them. All the Vizard fire their Ceros.
- Hirako and Hiyori start fighting because he fired a low level Cero.
- Kensei has a scary look. Must be because he starring at Tousen.
Neo Ultra Mike
07-07-2009, 07:08 PM
NOTE: EDITTED TO TAKE AWAY SOME OF THE SPOILER BOXES. (Now let's see you guys complain about them).
Originally posted by ShadowGUN
- Hirako ask Aizen how he's been. Aizen says he been doing well.
Hirako: See you ditched the whole nerd look.
Aizen: Yeah well I'm offically evil now so I didn't really see the need for the glasses.
Hirako: They did look pretty dork on you.
Aizen: I know right? Oh you should of seen when I was able to shape my hair all spiky and destroy them. It was totally symboically evil.
Hirako: (Sarcastic) Oh yeah because looking more bishonenly beautiful really screams evil.
Aizen: Uh you do know what country we were made in right?
Hirako: Oh yeah true. The only things more pretty then the heroes in an anime are the angsty villians.
Aizen: I'm too bad ass to angst. That's what Ichigo is for.
Hirako: Where is he anyway?
Aizen: Hopefully staying away while this intereesting battle is happening.
- Aizen ask Hirako to step away.
Hirako: Oh yeah we're going to be doing that. That's why we came all this way; to instantly give up just because you asked nicley.
Aizen: So what were you on the other side of the country or something?
Hirako: No, but some people had to go the bathroom and then stop for pizza and some other stuff and it ended up taking about over a year to get here.
Aizen: I'd point out how ridicolous that is but considering I've been trapped in the flame shield about as long I probably shouldn't.
- The Vizards unleashed their Hollows masks. Soifon is surprised by this.
Soi Fon: Yeah... I thought that with how these fights were progressing they'd be doing that more one on one over months at a time instead of doing it all at once.
Barragan: Uh shouldn't you be more concentrated on me aging you to death then looking at them?
Soi Fon: Hey you know the rule; no attacks from behind when people are in the midst of power ups. That's like Shonen Rule 28.
Barragan: Back in my day there was also a rule about killing characters when the main cast list got around 6+ dozen.
Soi Fon: Yeah that's not happening.
Starks wonder who they are. Aizen say they were mistakes.
Gin: I thought you were trying to break the hollow/shinigami barrier or something with them.
Aizen: Yeah but then they ended up still being good and are now trying to show up to stop me.
Starrk: Wait isn't that Lupin the 3rd dressed guy the one who battled Grimmjow?
Aizen: yeah.
Starrk: If they were mistakes you wanted to get rid of how come you just didn't kill them then.
Aizen: My overconfident ego makes me even more lazy then you.
Starrk: Wow that's lazy.
Starks fires Ceros at them. All the Vizard fire their Ceros.
Starrk: Insert about a dozen or so shoop de whoop lines here.
- Hirako and Hiyori start fighting because he fired a low level Cero.
Hiyori: You suck for reasons that make little sense to everyone else! (Starts smaking him with her sandal).
Starrk: Wow, and I thought I was the only one who knew what it was like to be beaten up constantly by a weak looking blond girl for things japanese people still consider funny. Screw Kyrokau: That's my kindred captain spirit.
- Kensei has a scary look. Must be because he starring at Tousen.
Tousen: I'm too blind to be affected by your stares.
Kensei: Oh yeah looking P.Oed to someone who can't see is kind of stupid. Well you should know I'm going to wail on you for what you did back in the Pendulm Arc.
Tousen: It was all in the name of peace.
Kensei: Peace? Isn't Aizen's goal to destroy an entire city's worth of people just to create a key to get into the gates of heaven and kill god? Name how any part of that is related to peace.
Tousen: Uh... it is, that's why.
Kensei: Geez how the hell did this guy end up on the 9th Squad? Then again that's the same thing I said about Mashiro except some people mysteriously consider her brand or irrating amusing.
Seriously though I am glad to see
What looks like a Kensei/Tousen fight. That should be good. Hoping too we either get the group actually joining together to fight Aizen and the Espadas or at least setting up the 1 on 1s soon.
Paul_Cousins
07-07-2009, 08:26 PM
:eek: Spoiler box overload.
garfield15
07-07-2009, 08:33 PM
Mike's infamous "wall of episode reviewing text" vs. "spoiler-boxes from hell"
Which is the more overkill? :p
warnerbroman
07-08-2009, 08:40 AM
タイトル
whose side are we on
死神、愛染組、それぞれの反応。
We see the reactions of the shinigami and aizen's group.
69、息絶え絶えながらも六車を見つける。
Hisagi, breathing faintly, stares at Kensei.
平子が久しぶりの対面で13隊に挨拶したいやついるかって問いに全員がいないというなか、
Hirako says there are people from the gotei 13 he wanted greet after such a long time, but not everyone is there.
無言で享楽のとこにいくリサ。
Lisa silently goes over to Kyouraku.
頭踏んづけていつまで死んだフリしてんねんっと突っ込むと
She steps on his head and asks how long he's going to pretend he's dead. Then she presses down with her foot.
見ない間に随分キレイになったねぇと享楽。それを蹴飛ばして一蹴するとそどんだけ強くなったか 見したると息 巻く。
Kyouraku tells her she's gotten pretty in the time he hasn't seen her. She kicks him away in disgust.
享楽「元気そうでよかった」「アホ!」「・・・全くだよ・・・」(昔のことも含めて?)
Kyouraku: "I'm glad your healthy!" "Fool!" "...Really..." (Seems like they're talking about the past?)
平子はじじいのとこへ。恨みを晴らしにきたのかと問うじじいに、愛染にな、あんたのことは別だ といい、
Hirako go to Yama-jii and asks if he's let go of his past grudge. To Aizen he says matters are different with him.
あるとしたら結界を張ったせいで中に入れなかったことらしく、
Hacchi creates a barrier room(?)
見張りのピエールを見つけてやっと入れた(ピエールは入れるべきか逡巡してたが内部の戦況を見 て入れた)
The 1st Division VC looks at it and finally goes in. At first he's hesitant, but then goes in to watch the progress of the battle.
じじいが今は味方と考えていいかと訊くと、
Yama-jii asks if he can consider them allies.
「俺らはあんたらの味方ちゃう、俺らは愛染の敵、ほんでもって苺の味方や」といって仮面のほう へ戻る。
"We are not your allies. We are Aizen's enemies. In truth, we're Ichigo's allies." He returns to the vizards.
WWがウーアーいうとでかいやつの口から大量のギリアン。
WW screams and a large number of gillians come out of Superchunky's mouth.
仮面組全員仮面化して次号。
The vizards all don their masks.
ローズは鳥みたいな、ラブは鬼みたいな、リサのは面に十字が入ってる、ハッチはネルのフラシオ ンの顔でかい やつににてる
Rose's is like a bird. Love's is like a demon/ogre. Lisa's has a cross in it. Hacchi's is like Nel's fraccion with the big face.
ShadowGUN
07-08-2009, 08:48 AM
It seems I may have gotten some of those spoilers wrong.
-Aizen, Gin and Tousen are surprised by Hirako appearance. The Soul Reapers are also suprised.
- Yamaji ask "who allies are they?" Hirako answers " We are ichigo's allies".
- Lisa goes to Kyoraku to check on him.
- The first squad Vice Captain puts the injure Soul Reapers inside a barrier.
- Wonderweiss says "Uah" and Gin says he went and spoiled the all tension. Tousen correct him by saying that when WW speaks he saying something of importance.
- Gillians start to appear from all sides and the Vizard unleashed their Hollows masks. End of chapter.
warnerbroman
07-08-2009, 07:59 PM
http://i26.tinypic.com/1znszuu.jpg
http://i31.tinypic.com/jfuhpz.jpg
it's morphin time!
hatchi is creeping me out
ShadowGUN
07-09-2009, 08:07 AM
Hatchi's mask looks awesome :cool:.
So this chapter...
Aizen- It's on.
Hatchi- Mask of ph333r!
Aizen- ...Well that just magnifies the amount of onness goin on right Did I mention it's on? It's on.
Funkatron
07-09-2009, 09:02 AM
I love the fact the Vizards are fighting for Ichigo instead of SS or Aizen. Guess they see Ichigo as one of thier own; someone shafted by both sides
Captain Highwind
07-09-2009, 11:32 AM
hatchi is creeping me out
He's one of those Giant Majini (http://residentevil.wikia.com/wiki/Giant_Majini) from Resident Evil 5 :eek:
Mr. Obsession
07-09-2009, 11:44 AM
Yeah. The visored masks range from simplistic to Hatchi's being overly complicated. You just know the anime is going to find some way to mess it up, which makes me wonder what Kubo was thinking when he designed it.
I love the fact the Vizards are fighting for Ichigo instead of SS or Aizen. Guess they see Ichigo as one of thier own; someone shafted by both sides
Well, if the ranking captains didn't know about Ichigo being a visored before, they do now. I wonder if this is going to cause problems down the road.
bigdeath
07-09-2009, 12:18 PM
The captains still don't know that Ichigo is visored, They just know that the Vizards have allied with Ichigo for some reason. That doesn't necessarily mean Ichigo is one of them so the cats not out of the bad yet
Lelouch
07-09-2009, 03:57 PM
Well, if anything it is a hint towards that general direction.
Anyways, EPIC chapter, and I am very pleased with what Kubo is doing right now. If he can keep this up for...the rest of the Bleach Manga, that would be awesome. I like all of the Vizard masks, but in particular I really like Lisa/Risa's and Kensei's. They both look badass.
I am also happy that they aren't siding with SS or Aizen, but with Ichigo. It's about damn time the guy got some reliable allies. Though, I do wonder if after the whole Aizen thing is said and done, that the Vizard's will be the "villains," or perhaps...soul society? I can see Yamamoto trying to deal them their punishment after this, because, ya know, he is a jerk like that. (Well, not really, but he is uptight about the rules/laws). I am guessing Ichigo would side with the Vizard, or at least I'd hope so.
And you know, as much as I want to see the Vizard kick ass, which they will, I really do want it to be Ichigo who fights Aizen in the end. Is that a bad thing? I mean, I know his power-ups are ridiculously cheap, but I still think he is a great main character that deserves the final victory.
garfield15
07-09-2009, 04:26 PM
Aizen- ...Well that just magnifies the amount of onness goin on right Did I mention it's on? It's on.:D
A mask? A mask can't stop me. Especially when it's on....
warnerbroman
07-09-2009, 04:55 PM
:D
A mask? A mask can't stop me. Especially when it's on....I get it
Captain Highwind
07-10-2009, 08:51 AM
365
A Superchunky doubles as a Menos Grande-maker!
Should I be worried about the Vaizards' strength if they can't break Yamamoto's barrier?
Oh well, at least Kubo draws Lisa very well~! <3
zoombie
07-10-2009, 08:58 AM
An awesome chapter. No fighting, it just set it up, plus some great comedy. The whole "you want to talk to anyone from the Gotei 13" bit, and the Shunsui / Lisa interaction.
But I love it when Shinji said they were on Ichigo's side. They empathise with Ichigo, because just like them, he has had problems with Shinigami politics.
BTW, I be really disappointed, if Mashiro and Yachiru don't cross paths at some point, they have to meet each other.
Katsumara
07-10-2009, 10:54 AM
If Mashiro and Yachiru cross paths, the galaxy may implode upon itself from an overload of cute. It'd be sort of like dividing by zero.
Either way, this was a fun chapter. I also enjoyed the whole talking to Gotei 13 bit. Lisa/Shunsui bit was too funny. Needs more Nanao.
warnerbroman
07-10-2009, 11:59 AM
http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff55/outlawstarman/Signatures/yamasig.jpg
Paul_Cousins
07-10-2009, 01:36 PM
The look on Yamamoto's face in this chapter is priceless. ;)
This was a very good "build up" chapter. :cool:
That was FEAR on Yamamoto's face today, no doubt, lol.
warnerbroman
07-10-2009, 02:37 PM
That was FEAR on Yamamoto's face today, no doubt, lol."A G-G-G-Ghost"
Malex
07-10-2009, 03:20 PM
I am definitely expecting an easy bout with the Gillians next week, but I am not too sure about afterwards. We have three Espada, Wonderweiss, Superchunky, Tousen, Gin, and Aizen on one side. If Allon was any proof, then Superchunky needs two Captain-class Shinigami to take care of it. It pukes Gillians for goodness sake!
Since it's obvious that Kensei and Shinji are going after Tousen and Aizen, they are spoken for. We could have Yamamoto take care of the beast since he seems to prefer to do nothing but pick up slack. I really cannot think could fight the Espada except for Hacchi against Barragan. A kido specialist is needed to fight that fiend. The problem I have with placing other Espada with whom is that Lisa could go both ways. She could fight either Starrk and Harribel thanks to her background. I have a feeling that Rose would probably fight Gin just because they are Kansai-speaking former 3rd Squad Captains. I guess that leaves me with Hiyori and Love double-teaming against an Espada.
I just wish Kubo had more substance per chapter.
bigdeath
07-10-2009, 04:20 PM
I just hope we finnaly get to see Gin's Bankai.
It seems Liza still has some feelings for her old captain. I suspect its just respect for an old student/mentor relationship.
And Yamamoto showing some emotion, the ***** really hit the fan now.
Paul_Cousins
07-10-2009, 04:45 PM
1. I just hope we finnaly get to see Gin's Bankai.
2. It seems Liza still has some feelings for her old captain. I suspect its just respect for an old student/mentor relationship.
3. And Yamamoto showing some emotion, the ***** really hit the fan now.1. Same here. Also, I wonder if it will be revealed that Gin, Aizen and Tozen are vizards as well.
2. Given Liza's choice of swimsuit magazines, you are probably right.
3. You got that right. ;)
Captain Highwind
07-10-2009, 10:33 PM
I just hope we finnaly get to see Gin's Bankai.
"Shoot to kill...Firing Squad?"
Mr. Obsession
07-10-2009, 11:20 PM
Since it was impaled that Hachi does want to talk to someone, but not one of those on the scene, I wonder who it is.
Should I be worried about the Vaizards' strength if they can't break Yamamoto's barrier?
I thought the "your" was referring to Soul Society in general. Besides, didn't Urahara help design the pillar barrier system?
Rocketboy
07-10-2009, 11:23 PM
He most likely wants to see Tessai.
Mr. Obsession
07-10-2009, 11:38 PM
But they've both been in the same town for months (or longer). Couldn't Hachi and Tessai have met at any point?
Grave
07-11-2009, 11:27 AM
I would think so, unless Hacchi stayed couped up until Ichigo came to them.
Good stuff over the last 3 chapters. The snippets between Stark and Lily were pretty funny. Not to mention Lisa seeing Shunsui. Ukitake's (ha ha) become more interesting.
It's pretty funny to see a shocking expression on the old man' face. I think it'd be even funnier to see a shocking expression on Aizen's face.
I am a bit disappointed though. Just when Ukitake showed some of what his zanpakuto's abilities are Wonderweiss shows up and cut the fight short. I'm all for speeding things up and all, but I'd like to see what these folks are capable of doing first.
Rocketboy
07-12-2009, 01:20 AM
But they've both been in the same town for months (or longer). Couldn't Hachi and Tessai have met at any point?
You know, that's true.
And if that's the case, why hasn't Shinji ever contacted Urahara?
thenewme93
07-12-2009, 12:28 PM
All I want to know is if we'll finally see some Shinji Vs. Aizen next chapter...
warnerbroman
07-12-2009, 12:34 PM
All I want to know is if we'll finally see some Shinji Vs. Aizen next chapter...too soon
FireStarterLE
07-12-2009, 04:39 PM
All I want to know is if we'll finally see some Shinji Vs. Aizen next chapter...
not likely. The fights might go something like this:
First those Gillians, then probably Superchunky, then WW and the Espada, and then finally Aizen and Co.
That's assuming: there's no other unknown enemies coming and that Aizen doesn't leave Fake KK Town for Plan B. Either way, it's going to be a while
Captain Highwind
07-12-2009, 08:19 PM
All I want to know is if we'll finally see some Shinji Vs. Aizen next chapter...
I don't expect Aizen vs. anybody in the next twenty years
ShadowGUN
07-13-2009, 04:12 PM
It a Hollow massacre in this week chapter.
- One by one the Vizards take down the Menos using Ceros mix with kicks.
- Superchunky get a barrier put around his head and it brought down by singing.
- After all they rip off they masks.
- At the end Hirako says that how the learned to handle the hollowfication process.
- Hirako waves his sword in front of Aizen.
- The person whow as singing is reveal to be Lisa. She also uses two swords.
anime_guru
07-13-2009, 04:35 PM
It a Hollow massacre in this week chapter.
- One by one the Vizards take down the Menos using Ceros mix with kicks.
- Superchunky get a barrier put around his head and it brought down by singing.
- After all they rip off they masks.
- At the end Hirako says that how the learned to handle the hollowfication process.
- Hirako waves his sword in front of Aizen.
- The person whow as singing is reveal to be Lisa. She also uses two swords.
if that is true of lisa, it is very possible that lisa owes a lot to kyoraku...no coincidence she has two blades especially since all she has ever shown, even against ichigo is one. Looks like she's getting serious
warnerbroman
07-15-2009, 09:08 AM
http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/7863/628080.jpg
please don't miss
Captain Highwind
07-15-2009, 09:27 AM
http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/7863/628080.jpg
please don't miss
The penalty for missing a hit that important will be 300 more chapters of "we'll get you next time with more training!"
Grave
07-15-2009, 10:15 AM
http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/7863/628080.jpg
please don't miss
Of course he's going to miss.
Captain Highwind
07-15-2009, 10:43 AM
Of course he's going to miss.
If anything we'll find out officially if Aizen's crossed over as an Arrancar/Vasto-Lorde-whatever.
Oh why Shinji did you have to go for his hair...there will be no mercy for you now
Funkatron
07-15-2009, 10:51 AM
Shinji has already been bewitched by Aizen's Zangpakto, so most likely this is a fake Aizen/illusion
Novapocalypse
07-15-2009, 11:13 AM
If Shinji loses this I give up on Bleach.
Grave
07-15-2009, 12:26 PM
If Shinji loses this I give up on Bleach.
I on the otherhand would not be surprised if all those vaizards were actually defeated by aizen.
Novapocalypse
07-15-2009, 01:11 PM
I on the otherhand would not be surprised if all those vaizards were actually defeated by aizen.
If Aizen reveals that he has turned into a Vizard and he, Gin, and Tosen combine their powers to do some flashy "quick escape" attack then that would be alright, but with him being a Shinigami only I don't want to see him this fight.
Funkatron
07-15-2009, 01:29 PM
If Aizen reveals that he has turned into a Vizard and he, Gin, and Tosen combine their powers to do some flashy "quick escape" attack then that would be alright, but with him being a Shinigami only I don't want to see him this fight.
Well, Aizen has the biggest hax Shinkai of all so him winning wouldn't surprise me. Jeez, imagine how freakin hax his bankai could is.
The fact that aizen still smirks at the vaizards so called mastery of hollow powers makes me think Aizens thought of completely mastering hollow powers would be more of what Ichigo unlocked when he fought Ulquiorra. So far the only hollow powers we seen the Vaizards use are cero, Ichigo was using sonido and who knows what else, so Aizen probably laughs at their mastery of hollow powers which is really just a mastery of using cero, he sees what the vaizards got as a pale imitation of what hes looking for.
Paul_Cousins
07-15-2009, 02:11 PM
http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/7863/628080.jpg
please don't missAizen is a master at harmlessly catching falling blades with his fingers.
warnerbroman
07-15-2009, 04:29 PM
If Shinji loses this I give up on Bleach.then use OXI-CXLEAN!
FireStarterLE
07-15-2009, 04:36 PM
Aizen is a master at harmlessly catching falling blades with his fingers.
Either that or
His Primera Espada steps in to defend him. I'm guessing the next battles will be against the Espada, so no better way to put them into the fray than this.
Mr. Obsession
07-16-2009, 11:53 AM
Slightly early chapter is slightly early.
Spoiler's had it a bit off, Lisa doesn't have two blades. She fights like Ikkaku: sword in one hand, scabbard in the other.
The rest I loved:
- Hachi keeps his in a kido time-space pocket.
- Love, Kensei, and Mashiro take menos apart with their bare hands (or feet in the case of the latter), and it is awesome!
- Kensei is the only one who uses their shikai in the fight. Probably because it goes well with his manly fighting style of punching things repeatedly in the face until they explode!
Next week, watch Aizen catch Shinji’s blade one-handed and then tell him he should have kept the mask on so it would have been a decent fight. :rolleyes:
If Shinji loses this I give up on Bleach.
Of course Shinji is going to lose. Aizen still has to fight Yamamoto, Urahara, Isshin (probably), and Ichigo before he finally goes down (not necessarily in that order). :p
Captain Highwind
07-16-2009, 02:04 PM
Next week, watch Aizen catch Shinji’s blade one-handed and then tell him he should have kept the mask on so it would have been a decent fight. :rolleyes:
Now, now, he has to actually show the audience something at this point. Doesn't have to be everything, but it would be nice to see something other than mirror tricks.
Kubo really likes drawing the Vaizards. He even flashed Lisa's backside in one panel. :O
warnerbroman
07-16-2009, 03:20 PM
Kubo really likes drawing the Vaizards. He even flashed Lisa's backside in one panel. :O though the anime will ruin it
Grave
07-16-2009, 03:20 PM
I didn't really care for this chapter to be honest. It just seemed so "meh". You knew they were going to annihilate the "gillian". (Did they really need to use the mask for that?) Setup chapters can be so boring at times.
The true test for me to see is how they stack up against released espada's.
zoombie
07-16-2009, 04:07 PM
Left us with a big cliffhanger, but given that Aizen is the main villain, I have a bad feeling for Shinji.
Giga Drill
07-16-2009, 05:27 PM
Lisa and Mashiro won this chapter.
http://img160.imageshack.us/i/0405.jpg/
baby got back.
Mashiro Kick!!!!!
warnerbroman
07-16-2009, 07:47 PM
that's Lisa for you
TheVileOne
07-16-2009, 07:56 PM
You see, Kubo Tite has an amazing appreciation for fan service and the female form, and the anime always messes is up by covering up all the good parts.
They ruin all of Kubo's amazing fan service and cheesecake he gives us
warnerbroman
07-16-2009, 08:18 PM
You see, Kubo Tite has an amazing appreciation for fan service and the female form, and the anime always messes is up by covering up all the good parts.
They ruin all of Kubo's amazing fan service and cheesecake he gives usbut not for One Piece :shrug:
Lighthammer
07-17-2009, 12:08 AM
Shinji has already been bewitched by Aizen's Zangpakto, so most likely this is a fake Aizen/illusion
Actually, as far as we know, he hadn't been. There was actually signifigant debate during the Pendulum Arch weather or not he outright had the power to resist Aizen's Shinkia.
Mr. Obsession
07-17-2009, 01:56 AM
Shinji is/was. Aizen used his shikai to trick Shinji into believing someone else had been following him in Aizen's place for over a month. Shinji never realized he had been duped until Aizen told him so.
Check out chapter -99.
bigdeath
07-17-2009, 02:09 AM
Lisa and Mashiro won this chapter.
http://img160.imageshack.us/i/0405.jpg/
baby got back.
O.O Daddy likey.
warnerbroman
07-21-2009, 08:42 AM
Haribel Vs Lisa and Hiyori.
that's all I care about
ShadowGUN
07-21-2009, 08:46 AM
This week is Vizards vs Arrancar.
- Shinji slashes Aizen only to be stop by Tousen.
- The rest of Vizards go after Wonderweiss and remaining Espadas.
- Stark vs Love. Haribel vs Lisa and Hiyori, Barrangan vs Hacchi , Wonderweiss and the Superchunky Hollow vs Kensei and Mashiro.
- Mashiro kicks the crap out the Superchunky Hollow. Wonderweiss goes " Aaaaahhh".
- Tousen is about to slash Shinji but got deflected by Komamura Sanji and Hisagi.
Grave
07-21-2009, 09:15 AM
Oh. Sounds like a nice chapter for this week.
Captain Highwind
07-21-2009, 09:50 AM
Yes, it does sound quite busy.
Silly Shinji, I bet if he'd kept his mask on so he'd have been a little bit faster with the swing. Oh, the heavy cost of pride!
Neo Ultra Mike
07-21-2009, 12:07 PM
My thoughts on the spoilers.
Shinji slashes Aizen only to be stop by Tousen.
The irony of this should be apparent to anyone who saw the opening of Bleach Heat the Soul 6 where Shinji is the one who interrupts Tosen about to fight Ichigo who was charging at Aizen.
The rest of Vizards go after Wonderweiss and remaining Espadas.
This is what I've been looking forward to since the Vizards first arrived. Let's see who fights who.
Stark vs Love
Called it!
Haribel vs Lisa and Hiyori
Sort of called it. Didn't think Hiyori would fight her as well. This should make for a good two on one. And I could actually buy the two of them beating Harribel unlike Hitsuguya just pulling ice out of his ***.
Barrangan vs Hacchi
This one makes sense actually. Considering that Barrigan has the death touch you'd need someone with powerful long range attacks to fight him and since Hacchi's super kido man it makes sense he goes for him.
Wonderweiss and the Superchunky Hollow vs Kensei and Mashiro.
Hmm I did kind of hope for Mashiro vs Wonderweiss so there's still a chance of that.
- Mashiro kicks the crap out the Superchunky Hollow. Wonderweiss goes " Aaaaahhh".
That looks kind of funny. Hmm if it does end up being Kensei vs Wonderweiss at least Kensei should get out some pent up agression in beating up an annoying looking kid.
Tousen is about to slash Shinji but got deflected by Komamura Sanji and Hisagi.
Oh yeah finally revenge battle. I guess Kensei has been looking for revenge the longest against Tosen but I'm sure Hisagi and especial Komamura were the most betrayed by Tosen thus probably deserve this battle the most. Which frees Shinji to get back Aizen unless stopped by Gin. Either way I did call some what half of these battles so good to see Kubo's actually pulling out some predictable nice twists.
Mr. Obsession
07-21-2009, 12:19 PM
Oh yeah finally revenge battle. I guess Kensei has been looking for revenge the longest against Tosen but I'm sure Hisagi and especial Komamura were the most betrayed by Tosen thus probably deserve this battle the most.
I predict it will be a "Tosen! We're angry and we're going to talk you to death!" battle.
Seriously though, is anyone surprised by this? It's been pretty obvious since the end of the Soul Society arc that Komamura would be facing Tosen. Hisagi is just icing on the cake.
Lighthammer
07-21-2009, 03:45 PM
I dont know about that.
Kensei no doubt wants a piece of that cake.
Maybe we'll get to see Tousen do some badass transformation and Kensei has to step in to finish it.
thenewme93
07-22-2009, 08:00 PM
I bet that Wonderweiss will do something unexpected to take Kensei out of this fight.
warnerbroman
07-23-2009, 09:09 AM
http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/8896/47311972.jpg
http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/8743/47596638.jpghttp://img190.imageshack.us/img190/3734/41610272.jpg*drool*
Captain Highwind
07-23-2009, 09:51 AM
It seems Kubo has discovered that he can draw the ass shot... >.>
Was he going for Kamen Rider when he drew up Mashiro's design?
Why not? He's had a million other homages this arc.
Grave
07-24-2009, 03:04 AM
Quite unexpected. Spoilers said that Tousen interrupted Shinji. It didn't say anything about Tousen getting a shot in. Shinji's quite a guy to be smiling about it though. Cut me in the face area, I'd be pissed.
"Waits for a cleaning version".
Rocketboy
07-24-2009, 03:30 AM
I was kind of taken aback by how ruthless Tosen was.
I can't wait for the fight next week.
garfield15
07-24-2009, 08:05 AM
Was he going for Kamen Rider when he drew up Mashiro's design?
I'm pretty sure the mask look and the fact that she screams out her kick attack is more than enough proof :D
In the last chapter when she kicked all of those Gillians, all I could think of was this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6UfY39uTmU)
warnerbroman
07-24-2009, 10:29 AM
I'm pretty sure the mask look and the fact that she screams out her kick attack is more than enough proof :D
In the last chapter when she kicked all of those Gillians, all I could think of was this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6UfY39uTmU)Falcon KICK!
I giggle every time the say "cross swords" I hope the fanservice battle is next chapter
Mr. Obsession
07-24-2009, 11:38 AM
Wait. Wait, wait, wait. If the other visoreds can only hold their masks for about 3 minutes (except Mashiro), and they've had a 100 years to work on this, then why was Hiyori being such a hardass about Ichigo only being able to hold his own mask for 11 seconds after a month of training? And answers consisting of "Hiyori's always a hardass" don't count. :p
At least we now know why Shinji took his mask off before attacking Aizen.
Also, Tosen says he's going to kill Komamura? No talking? Their friendship means nothing to him anymore? :( Kick his ass Komamura!
garfield15
07-24-2009, 11:47 AM
Wait. Wait, wait, wait. If the other visoreds can only hold their masks for about 3 minutes (except Mashiro), and they've had a 100 years to work on this, then why was Hiyori being such a hardass about Ichigo only being able to hold his own mask for 11 seconds after a month of training? And answers consisting of "Hiyori's always a hardass" don't count. :p
Sorry man, that's the only reason I can tell you. She's just a total hardass.
Lelouch
07-24-2009, 01:54 PM
I am starting to think that the Vizard's (like the Espada) were a little too overhyped. I'm sure they are all really strong, seeing as they are all Captain-level, but with the 3-minute time limit I wonder if they can take down Aizen, Gin and Tousen. It also worries me a great deal that Shinji was cut so easily by Tousen, who can be argued to be the weakest of the trio.
Ah well, I still expect some great fights, and I think Hisagi will have a Bankai.
warnerbroman
07-24-2009, 02:25 PM
well they are still soul reapers
Cheetatron
07-24-2009, 07:49 PM
I am starting to think that the Vizard's (like the Espada) were a little too overhyped. I'm sure they are all really strong, seeing as they are all Captain-level, but with the 3-minute time limit I wonder if they can take down Aizen, Gin and Tousen. It also worries me a great deal that Shinji was cut so easily by Tousen, who can be argued to be the weakest of the trio.
Ah well, I still expect some great fights, and I think Hisagi will have a Bankai.I would argue tosen is the 2nd strongest of the trio especially given how much trouble hitsu gave gin way back when
Lelouch
07-25-2009, 02:10 PM
I am pretty sure Gin was just playing around with Hitsugaya. Not that Tousen isn't strong, but Aizen and Gim have just always come off as stronger in a sense. Plus, Tousen's Bankai really isn't that great, and we still haven't even seen Gin or Aizen's. Unless he was holding back, I'd definately say Gin is stronger.
Grave
07-25-2009, 03:06 PM
I am pretty sure Gin was just playing around with Hitsugaya. Not that Tousen isn't strong, but Aizen and Gim have just always come off as stronger in a sense. Plus, Tousen's Bankai really isn't that great, and we still haven't even seen Gin or Aizen's. Unless he was holding back, I'd definately say Gin is stronger.
You think so? I tend to think Tousen's bankai is quite devastating. Stripping a person of their sight, hearing and smelling is something I would think is a little cheap. And people tend to discredit Tousen because of his fight with Kenpachi. If Tousen just aimed for the head or heart instead of preaching to Kenny, would people have the same opinion of him?
But I can definately see the vaizards being overhyped at this point considering how Ichigo was to Ulquiorra. I'm not going to jump the gun and say they are just yet though.
Rocketboy
07-25-2009, 05:11 PM
I find his bankai frightening as well, but its severly screwed in the games.
In the DS and Wii version, it's just his black globe, but the AI manages to SOMEHOW find and perfectly hit you.
And in the others, it's just a standard special attack where Tosen automatically cuts him 4 times.
Baseball
07-25-2009, 05:16 PM
Pretty much everyone's Bankai can do multiple things. Tousen has had it since before he even became a captain, and we know for a fact that his Shikai has several movements. I'd be willing to bet it's the exact same thing with his Bankai--he has an offensive and defensive component to both.
Neo Ultra Mike
07-25-2009, 08:09 PM
Originally posted by Magus
But I can definately see the vaizards being overhyped at this point considering how Ichigo was to Ulquiorra. I'm not going to jump the gun and say they are just yet though.
Yeah unless the only true way of keeping time for your hollow mask after inital training (unless you're a special case like Mashiro) is to continously fight strong powerful hollows over and over I'm calling that bullcrap if the Vizards can only hold they're masks for 3 minutes while ichigo has more indenifte time. If they're have over a hundred years to train with they're masks... oh wait never mind. Ichigo has that infamous "I can do everything fast because I'm the main character" logic to him anyway. Which is a definite unfair advantage but what can you do?
Originally posted by Mr. Toto
Pretty much everyone's Bankai can do multiple things. Tousen has had it since before he even became a captain, and we know for a fact that his Shikai has several movements. I'd be willing to bet it's the exact same thing with his Bankai--he has an offensive and defensive component to both.
Actually his Shikai has two specific release commands. One immediatley knocks out everyone within it's vicinity and the other shoots needles. Even Shikai with multiple powers don't do this, which makes me think he has two bankais effects as well. Which is also interesting considering Kaname's sword unlike a lot of other characters isn't even his.
blitzkrieg
07-25-2009, 09:40 PM
Yeah unless the only true way of keeping time for your hollow mask after inital training (unless you're a special case like Mashiro) is to continously fight strong powerful hollows over and over I'm calling that bullcrap if the Vizards can only hold they're masks for 3 minutes while ichigo has more indenifte time. If they're have over a hundred years to train with they're masks... oh wait never mind. Ichigo has that infamous "I can do everything fast because I'm the main character" logic to him anyway. Which is a definite unfair advantage but what can you do?
Love said that he could only hold his mask for 3 minutes. It was never said that all of them could only hold their masks for 3 minutes. It was already stated LONG ago that Mashiro could hold her mask for 15 hours.
1 of 3
07-25-2009, 10:58 PM
Yeah unless the only true way of keeping time for your hollow mask after inital training (unless you're a special case like Mashiro) is to continously fight strong powerful hollows over and over I'm calling that bullcrap if the Vizards can only hold they're masks for 3 minutes while ichigo has more indenifte time. If they're have over a hundred years to train with they're masks... oh wait never mind. Ichigo has that infamous "I can do everything fast because I'm the main character" logic to him anyway. Which is a definite unfair advantage but what can you do.
Well, to be fair, Ichigo managed to get himself killed (twice) even after his hollow warned him not to, which probably had a lot to do with the increase of his mask time.
Plus, for all his "I fight for my friends" bluster, his idioitic comments to Ulquiorra proved what Grimmjow said right about how what he really came to Hueco Mundo to fight, not save Orihime was true. I mean, he cared more about it not being a fair fight then he did about attacking Ishida. Which is also what his hollow wanted.
Mr. Obsession
07-25-2009, 11:17 PM
I am pretty sure Gin was just playing around with Hitsugaya. Not that Tousen isn't strong, but Aizen and Gim have just always come off as stronger in a sense.
Gin was playing around, but that doesn't mean that Hitsugaya didn't catch him by surprise once or twice.
Plus, Tousen's Bankai really isn't that great, and we still haven't even seen Gin or Aizen's. Unless he was holding back, I'd definately say Gin is stronger.
I think Tosen's bankai comes across as unimpressive for two reasons. First Kenpachi was absolutely the worst possible opponent someone like Tosen could face. And two, Tosen wasn't fighting with his strengths, he was trying to fight Kenpachi on Kenpachi's terms into order to create fear in his opponent. It didn't work. If Tosen had kept his distance and attacked with kido, or gone for a fast kill his bankai would have been devastating.
Actually his Shikai has two specific release commands. One immediatley knocks out everyone within it's vicinity and the other shoots needles. Even Shikai with multiple powers don't do this, which makes me think he has two bankais effects as well. Which is also interesting considering Kaname's sword unlike a lot of other characters isn't even his.
Maybe I'm the only one who believes this, but my theory is Tosen has two release commands because the sword was originally belonged to someone else. One of the two shikai attacks was his dead friends, and the other is Tosen's own. But I doubt he has two bankai. His friend died before she could advance that far. Tosen being the only one to unlock a bankai for Suzumushi probably means he only has one.
Love said that he could only hold his mask for 3 minutes. It was never said that all of them could only hold their masks for 3 minutes. It was already stated LONG ago that Mashiro could hold her mask for 15 hours.
I'm waiting to see if Love's line was a typical speed sub mistake, but I'm thinking it's not. Or at least it's close enough.
All the visoreds put on their masks at the same time. Shinji took his off before attacking Aizen. Hiyori and Lisa have their full mask when they jump Harribel, followed by half their masks disappearing. You can see a few remains of Hachi's flying off if you look closely. Plus you can see the remains of Love and Rose's vanishing right before Love says the line. By the end of the chapter Mashiro is the only one still wearing a mask, which I'm not going to quibble since we already knew she could hold it for 15 hours without any training.
ShadowGUN
07-28-2009, 08:40 AM
This week on Bleach: Mashiro kicks Wonderweiss in face.
- Hisagi scream something about bring "back my captain" to Tousen.
- Tousen respond by telling he will teach the meaning of fear.
- Mashiro tries to kick Wonderweiss.
- Hitsugaya and Hiyori star arguing about being called chibi. Lisa and Harribel fight.
- Hacchi create a barrier around Barrangar. He break it with ease. Hacchi face turn pale. End of chapter.
Grave
07-28-2009, 08:43 AM
Err... This chapter don't really sound fascinating at all.
garfield15
07-28-2009, 08:53 AM
This chapter sounds like it's ripe for Ultra Mike's parody scripts.
Neo Ultra Mike
07-28-2009, 11:34 AM
Eh if you insist
Originally posted by ShadowGUN
-Hisagi scream something about bring "back my captain" to Tousen.
Konomaura: You're not trying to reach him are you?
Hisagi: Maybe.
Konomaura: Oh come on. I thought you were the more reasonable one of the 3 betrayed lieuntants. I mean Momo had to be spirit face and shoved offscreen for 100 chapters to wise up and Kira had that filler arc-
Hisagi: I thought we didn't count that.
Konomarua: Ah true. Still the point is you were the only one to step up as an actual replacement captain and now you're "bring back my captain" to him.
Hisagi: Well does everything have to be solved by violence? Maybe we can reach some sort of understanding-
Konomarua: What manga you been in? Name one problem that went away with words and not an action sequence.
Hisagi: Well there was that uh... and then... okay let's kick his a**.
- Tousen respond by telling he will teach the meaning of fear.
Hisagi: The meaning of fear? What are you the Scarecrow?
Tousen: I'm trying to be intiminating.
Hisagi: Wait a minute even as a villian weren't you always "I must preserve peace and only destroy those who would totally disrupt it" or something? What's with trying to teach people fear and being all blood thiristy? I mean you're already a hyprocrite but now you're a super one.
Tousen: Super hyprocite or hidden meanings?
Hisagi: I thought we just agreed this series isn't that deep.
Tousen: I didn't say that. Since I'm pretty deep. I mean why am I supposedly on Aizen's side with how much killing he does when I fight for justice? There has to be reason behind that.
Hisagi: Yeah you're a retard.
Tousen: ... Screw the meaning of fear. I'm teaching you the meaning of your heart being cut out.
- Mashiro tries to kick Wonderweiss.
Kensei: (Watching this) Wow, child moron vs evil child moron. Why was this the fight people wanted to see?
Mashiro: Help me Kensei!
Kensei: Yeah like people ever really have full two on one fights around here. Besides why should I help? You seem to be doing fine.
Mashiro: I know, I'm just messing with you (to Wonderweiss) Kick kick kick kick, kill or kick kick!
Kensei: (To auidence) It wouldn't be a crime if I rooted for the other side for once would it?
- Hitsugaya and Hiyori star arguing about being called chibi. Lisa and Harribel fight.
Hitsuguya: How can I be Chibi? I'm like 40 something years old.
Hiyori: That's Chibi in our books short stuff. I'm over 130.
Hitsuguya: And yet you only look slightly older then I do.
Hiyori: Hey it's taken me a few centuries to get past puberty okay? At least it will be better then the millienium it takes you, if you live that long.
Hitsuguya: Course I will. I'm too popular to die.
Hiyori: You're fight can't keep getting fixed forever.
Hitsuguya: None of my fights were fixed!
Hiyori: Random super powerups out of nowhere count as fixed. Only Ichigo can do that, and only because I beat his ass around for a month so he wouldn't suck so much.
Hitsuguya: But he'd be around you the entire time and you totally suck.
Hiyori: Nuh uh!
Hitsuguya: Yeah you do, to people who hate unneedlessly violent kid b*****s, which are for some reason still so popular in japan. (The two continue to argue).
Harribel: Ugh how was I losing to that ice kid again?
Lisa: Popularity.
Harribel: Oh yeah right. I tried getting some of that by being more two diemnsional then my fellow Espada-
Lisa: Plus flashing that under boob didn't hurt.
Harribel: When it didn't get censored anyway.
Lisa: Yeah those censors suck- for uh the guys watching this.
Harribel: Don't try and hide it. I know you're one of the many lesbians in this show.
Lisa: No I only like watching girls in swinsuit... (looks at Harribel) Wait aren't you a girl in swinsuit.
Harribel: This is my resurrecion.
Lisa: More like resurection. Once I'm done beating you in I'm going to take my time exploring that bod of yours.
Kyoraku: (Offscreen) Think you could save some for me?
Lisa: Get your own!
Kyoraku: (Offscreen) The closest thing I had in the last 100 years was watching that beach epiosde through a telescope. And all the naked ass shots around here.
Lisa: Oh yeah that's right (points at Harribel) You stole my ass shot.
Harribel: How could I steal something that's been around ever since people discovered you could do erotic things with a camera?
Lisa: Well I'm still going to make you pay, hopefully in the most fanservice way possible.
Hacchi create a barrier around Barrangar. He break it with ease. Hacchi face turn pale. End of chapter.
Soi Fon: That's it? A Barrier? That was your big attack.
Hacchi: It's my thing.
Soi Fon: Why didn't you form an exploding Kido shield around his head?
Hacchi: I can only do that as a vizard and as you can see my mask fell off.
Soi Fon: I thought you were gone 100 something years training as a vizard. Why does it fall off so fast?
Hacchi: Cause... that's the only explanation I got. Besides would exploding work on this guy? You fired an actual weapon of mass destruction on him and he's still around.
Soi Fon: Well maybe he can be hurt by kido.
Hacchi: So why didn't you use Kido before? Don't you have that Shunko move for that sort of thing?
Soi Fon: I'm not taking a chance that will work and loose another hand. And since my lieuntant isn't smart enough to know how to use it, I can't use him as a guiena pig to see if it will be effective.
Omeda: Yeah she- hey!
I kind of liked the summary of the chapter as it seemed to at least progress a good amount of the fights even if I would prefer some focus on them instead of just some back and forth.
Does she kick him or just tries to?
warnerbroman
07-28-2009, 05:24 PM
mashiro kick is the new falcone punch
ShadowGUN
07-31-2009, 08:05 AM
Look like Hisagi is trying to pull a Naruto-Sasuke with Tousen. Of course is not going to work. Superchunky Hollow finally has a name: Fura. I think I like Superchunky better :p. Mashiro kicking Wonderweiss in face was epic. Her victory pose was epic too. And WTF? Seriously Hitsugaya wanted to fight Aizen when he was having a lot trouble with Harribel. What was he thinking? Hiyori reaction to that hilarious thought. Soi Fon cold as always :shrug:. Look like Hacchi is gonna need help with Barrangar. Not a bad chapter.
warnerbroman
07-31-2009, 09:57 AM
Look like Hisagi is trying to pull a Naruto-Sasuke with Tousen. Of course is not going to work. Superchunky Hollow finally has a name: Fura. I think I like Superchunky better :p. Mashiro kicking Wonderweiss in face was epic. Her victory pose was epic too. And WTF? Seriously Hitsugaya wanted to fight Aizen when he was having a lot trouble with Harribel. What was he thinking? Hiyori reaction to that hilarious thought. Soi Fon cold as always :shrug:. Look like Hacchi is gonna need help with Barrangar. Not a bad chapter.I swear if the vizords lose I will eat my hat
I'd rather have the "lets work together" cliche that that
also it looked like toshiro can still fight remember: he had her beat if it was not for wonderboy
warnerbroman
08-04-2009, 11:31 AM
I swear if the vizords lose I will eat my hat
I'd rather have the "lets work together" cliche that that y
Hatchi and SoiFon dose that
RockmanDash
08-04-2009, 01:27 PM
What I see happening is the Espada losing but Aizen and Gin completely destroying everyone. If Tosen is really going to fight now then he will most likely be ditched by Aizen if he loses.
Oh yeah and I caught up, things are starting to get really good.
ShadowGUN
08-04-2009, 07:00 PM
It must be the end of the world.
I mean for Soi Fon to finally swallows her cold pride and join forces with Hacchi to destroy Barrangar the world must be coming to an end.
warnerbroman
08-05-2009, 06:12 PM
Magic trick revealed
Barragan: What?...
Hacchi: You used your 'aging' power on Soifon-taichou bankai a little while ago, making it explode, but you had to fly over to another place to avoid the blast wave... So if you're in a place where you absolutely can't escape from the blast wave, your 'aging' power simply won't make it in time because the explosion will be too close... What'll happen if you're being bathed in it?...
Barragan: You... bastards...
Soifon: C'mon, fire one more time...
so basicly if he ain't done the they have him now
RockmanDash
08-05-2009, 06:30 PM
Wow I can't believe I'm finally able to say it.. Barragan just got owned.
Scirel
08-05-2009, 06:49 PM
All right! Finally one of the big ones goes down.
Paul_Cousins
08-05-2009, 06:59 PM
Wow I can't believe I'm finally able to say it.. Barragan just got owned.I would not be surprised if Barragan is severely wounded, but escapes.
thenewme93
08-05-2009, 07:37 PM
NO!!! Barragan has to die!! We must make some type of progress here
RockmanDash
08-05-2009, 07:44 PM
NO!!! Barragan has to die!! We must make some type of progress here
I'm going to have to agree, someone needs to die already. As much as I would love Barragan to have a little more backstory to him and what not.. I really just want someone to win right now.
Grave
08-05-2009, 07:50 PM
I also agree. There's been way too much fighting, and not so much in progression. I don't really care who wins at this point, just move this along already. The only way I'd actually want this to stall out is if Aizen reveals his bankai.
Captain Highwind
08-06-2009, 01:38 AM
I don't mind the fighting, but I think I am going to start reading this series in 3-month spurts, since right now it's pretty much:
"This week on Bleach--Mashiro kicks something else!"
I did this back in 2006 when I had to catch up on Isshin vs. Grand Fisher and the Arrancar's first invasions, and the pacing was pretty epic that way.
garfield15
08-07-2009, 01:37 AM
Well I'm glad the Shinigami and Vaizard aren't being retarted anymore with their "LOL, I can fight alone for honor and crap" and they realize that they've got a common enemy.
Also please die Barragan. You've had a good run but we need to move on.
Mr. Obsession
08-07-2009, 02:07 AM
Huh, and as I was reading the chapter I was expecting Kubo to keep Hachi's deal with Soi Fon a secret for the next two years or so.
Honestly, I hope Soi Fon's plan ends up biting her in the ass somehow so she can finally get over herself. Yes, Urahara has the relationship with Yoruichi that you will never have. Deal with it already and move on.
bigdeath
08-07-2009, 02:10 AM
Wow, you guys all missed the most important part of the chapter. Soi Fongs going to have Yoruichi to herself for a whole month! baw chika bow wow
garfield15
08-07-2009, 02:11 AM
Wow, you guys all missed the most important part of the chapter. Soi Fongs going to have Yoruichi to herself for a whole month! baw chika bow wowAw, there's no way Urahara can't break out in like a minute.
bigdeath
08-07-2009, 02:12 AM
Aw, there's no way Urahara can't break out in like a minute.
Uh? How can you be so sure? THINK OF THE POSSIBILITIES! :p
Demonic Raven
08-07-2009, 03:42 AM
I think Urahara will be cool with the circumstances, provided that he can watch. :p
Grave
08-07-2009, 04:25 AM
Honestly, I hope Soi Fon's plan ends up biting her in the ass somehow so she can finally get over herself. Yes, Urahara has the relationship with Yoruichi that you will never have. Deal with it already and move on.
Agreed. Seriously, I used to like Soifon. Thought she was a female version of Byakuya at one point, but this hiefa has really gotten on my nerves since her fight with that Vega guy.
This chapter was a bit too preachy for me. Barragan talking about aging too much. But I suppose he wouldn't be a villain if he couldn't boast about his abilities... (Man I really hate that crap.)
Katsumara
08-07-2009, 04:42 AM
Eh. I find Soi Fon's jealousy fun to watch/read. Can't help it I suppose. She means well. Honest! /sarcasm -- Seriously though, I did like her trade-off.
Honestly, she'd kill Urahara if she could, but I doubt she could beat him in a fight. That and Yoruichi would probably smack her around too.
zoombie
08-07-2009, 07:21 AM
It was one of the more funnier chapters in a long time. Soi Fon is so devious. :evil:
anime_guru
08-07-2009, 08:15 AM
and she is also forgetting uahara has the stronger tessai dono...
but of course if it is yoruichi x soi fon I don't think tessai would really want to like disturb it but maybe watch
something else
captains don't really seem to like uahara kisuke...yet the vizards sorta do...I think :sweat:
barrigan better have a second release but I doubt the battle will be dragged out by kubo...
FlyByNite77
08-07-2009, 08:53 AM
Aw, there's no way Urahara can't break out in like a minute.
Or he could just stay in his little barrier for a month and dispatch a little hidden camera to observe Yoruichi during that month and then enjoy the show... :evil:
warnerbroman
08-07-2009, 09:07 AM
wow Barragan was arrogant
FlyByNite77
08-07-2009, 10:05 AM
wow Barragan was arrogant
See another sign he is Byakuya's granpa then ;)
Paul_Cousins
08-07-2009, 10:21 AM
I'm going to have to agree, someone needs to die already. As much as I would love Barragan to have a little more backstory to him and what not.. I really just want someone to win right now.Yea, but I want Barragan to get a backstory before he dies. He is such a straight forward, badass villian. He is a breath of fresh air from a plot standpoint.
warnerbroman
08-07-2009, 11:00 AM
He is a breath of fresh air from a plot standpoint.I see what you did there
Huh, and as I was reading the chapter I was expecting Kubo to keep Hachi's deal with Soi Fon a secret for the next two years or so.
Honestly, I hope Soi Fon's plan ends up biting her in the ass somehow so she can finally get over herself. Yes, Urahara has the relationship with Yoruichi that you will never have. Deal with it already and move on.
It would be an interesting turn of events.:)
thenewme93
08-08-2009, 03:31 AM
Maybe Omaeda shouldn't have cut Soi Fong's arm off and let her die. Seriously if anyone on the "goood side" needs to die it is her annoying behind. Sure Hitsu jobs, but at least he got some sense talked into Hiyori and he knows his place in terms of power. And another thing, Kubo I'm tired of this over-hyped "war" can this "war" actually make some progress?!! Oda>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Kubo in terms of writing as of right now.
garfield15
08-08-2009, 03:39 AM
Oda>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Kubo in terms of writing as of right now.since forever
Fix'd :p
And yes, I'd like a bit of a move-on in terms of this "war"
thenewme93
08-08-2009, 04:29 AM
^ I said as of right now, because hey, ish happens, kubo might make me at my words..
^ I said as of right now, because hey, ish happens, kubo might make me at my words..
Considering the length of this thread, and the writing style...I doubt it.
soundmonkey44
08-12-2009, 09:33 PM
finbally caught up on my bleach, I love how soi-fon & the big viard guy teamed up to kill that Death Arrcaner. He was getting on my nerves with all his monolouging he's all like Everything will die muhahaha then at the ends soi-fons like your right you are about to die & he's lie Aww $#&%...:evil: Great Chapter..But still have to ask wth are kiuske & yuroichi!!:sweat:
RockmanDash
08-13-2009, 02:34 AM
finbally caught up on my bleach, I love how soi-fon & the big viard guy teamed up to kill that Death Arrcaner. He was getting on my nerves with all his monolouging he's all like Everything will die muhahaha then at the ends soi-fons like your right you are about to die & he's lie Aww $#&%...:evil: Great Chapter..But still have to ask wth are kiuske & yuroichi!!:sweat:
I'm having a feeling now that Urahara is going to end up saving Ichigo and co from Hueco Mundo at this point..whenever we actually get back to them. Maybe sometime next year >_>..
Rocketboy
08-15-2009, 11:32 AM
Volume 40 came out, and it seems that, according to one of the side comics, Ishida actually saves Lolli.
http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/8633/volume40349.jpg
RockmanDash
08-15-2009, 01:59 PM
Volume 40 came out, and it seems that, according to one of the side comics, Ishida actually saves Lolli.
http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/8633/volume40349.jpg
...Oh Ishida why..
warnerbroman
08-15-2009, 03:40 PM
so she can beat up hime again for ichigo to notice him
zoombie
08-15-2009, 05:50 PM
Well if Ishida can show mercery to the man that arranged his grandfather's death and than experimented on him, he can show for anybody?
I have a question for you guys, this is more about the anime, but someone said that Midoriko was in the anime, I don't remember her being the anime at all. If so what episode(s) was she in? I thought she was a mildly good character, being a foil for Karin and a Keigo fan girl.
ShadowGUN
08-18-2009, 10:42 AM
This week on Bleach: Barrangar still stands.
-Hacchi praises Soi Fon for being able to penetrate his barrier.
- Soi Fon says she has limit to her Bankai: she fired one shot every 3 days. Her using her Bankai on the same day was motivated by Hacchi promised.
- Barrangar survives the attack. He is missing an arm.
-Barrangar goes beserk and star spraying death breath every where.
- Hacchi creates abarrier that send Barragar death breath right back at him.
- Barrangar's abdoment begins to rot away.
anime_guru
08-18-2009, 11:59 AM
This week on Bleach: Barrangar still stands.
-Hacchi praises Soi Fon for being able to penetrate his barrier.
- Soi Fon says she has limit to her Bankai: she fired one shot every 3 days. Her using her Bankai on the same day was motivated by Hacchi promised.
- Barrangar survives the attack. He is missing an arm.
-Barrangar goes beserk and star spraying death breath every where.
- Hacchi creates abarrier that send Barragar death breath right back at him.
- Barrangar's abdoment begins to rot away.
dang...didn't expect barragan to go insane ... seriously I expected it from halibel but barragan!? not fun
goes back to the surprisingly better bleach filler
GWOtaku
08-18-2009, 12:01 PM
As I've said before, Kubo just needs to hurry up and get on with it.
This guy has been "killed" twice. Hopefully this means he'll decay and die next chapter and we can move on.
Lelouch
08-18-2009, 12:37 PM
As I've said before, Kubo just needs to hurry up and get on with it.
This guy has been "killed" twice. Hopefully this means he'll decay and die next chapter and we can move on.
Pretty much my thoughts at this point. Also, by dragging this out he is making Barragan look rather weak. I mean, is his breath really the only weapon he has? If so that's rather lame.
Oh and, Soi Fon really did get the short end of the stick with her Bankai. Honestly, her Shikai is more powerful than this canon, and probably more effective. She can only fire one shot in three days? Weak. Compared to others, who can use their Bankai for an infinite amount of time Soi Fon's falls short.
1 of 3
08-18-2009, 04:54 PM
I'm calling it now...
Barragan is Xykon. His true form is his eyeball medallion and he's gonna revert to that and escape to regenerate.
Paul_Cousins
08-18-2009, 05:29 PM
I'm calling it now...
Barragan is Xykon. His true form is his eyeball medallion and he's gonna revert to that and escape to regenerate.I thought that Barrangar was what was left of Soken Ishida, Uryu Ishida's grandfather. :evil:
Totally sucks waiting 2 weeks just to hear this fool is still alive.
Neo Ultra Mike
08-18-2009, 09:25 PM
Originally posted by Lelouch
Oh and, Soi Fon really did get the short end of the stick with her Bankai. Honestly, her Shikai is more powerful than this canon, and probably more effective. She can only fire one shot in three days? Weak. Compared to others, who can use their Bankai for an infinite amount of time Soi Fon's falls short.
Yeah that's a good point. Unless her gigantic canon was actually one of the most deadly Bankai attacks that could instantly kill anything it hit and Barragan's only surviving due to his ability to erode anything he touches so the full effect of the explosion won't kill him. I also blame the fact she probably never bothered training with her Bankai to get over this obviously jarring weakness. I mean kind of like how Yusuke could only fire one spirit gun at first when he was training with it and then ended up learning to fire more she should of learned how to fire them more consecutivley.
I do think it sucks Barragan is still alive especially since this really should of been Soi Fon's win. Then again I'm sure with him going crazy and his own rot being turned against him this battle will be over soon. Or at least I hope it's over soon anyway.
MeggieMay
08-18-2009, 11:59 PM
I thought that Barrangar was what was left of Soken Ishida, Uryu Ishida's grandfather. :evil:
I believe that's a fan theory verse anything official. IMOIt's more likely Kudo can't draw older men that don't look like each other and there never was a connection going on here:evil:
Paul_Cousins
08-19-2009, 12:57 AM
I believe that's a fan theory verse anything official. IMOIt's more likely Kudo can't draw older men that don't look like each other and there never was a connection going on here:evil:It would explain why Uryu had a vision of his grandfather earlier in this arc who warned him that he did enough and he should escape while he can.
1 of 3
08-20-2009, 03:26 AM
More spoilers out:
Looks like Barry's done. Ah well. He had a cool design and powers, but frankly he was as bad as Zommari in that he had to act like an idiot so the "good" guys could win. Also Hachi loses a hand too.
Hope Harribel and Starrk fare better, but I've pretty much written off the Espada as a stall tactic for Aizen to set-up his next big move.
RockmanDash
08-20-2009, 12:52 PM
More spoilers out:
Looks like Barry's done. Ah well. He had a cool design and powers, but frankly he was as bad as Zommari in that he had to act like an idiot so the "good" guys could win. Also Hachi loses a hand too.
Hope Harribel and Starrk fare better, but I've pretty much written off the Espada as a stall tactic for Aizen to set-up his next big move.
Ok seriously what is with characters losing their hands/and or arms? This really is getting old with that stuff..and Hachi is kind of in trouble if he can't use his both hands for kido.
Hachi is kind of in trouble if he can't use his both hands for kido.]
Nothing that Orihime can't fix :p
Mr. Obsession
08-20-2009, 01:44 PM
More spoilers out:
Looks like Barry's done. Ah well. He had a cool design and powers, but frankly he was as bad as Zommari in that he had to act like an idiot so the "good" guys could win. Also Hachi loses a hand too.
Based on the pics, I'd say his overconfidence is justified. He survived Soi Fon's supposed one-hit-kill bankai to the face. From what I understand, it takes Hatchi getting his own hand infected, amputating it and sealing it with kido (that's badass right there), and then transporting it inside Barragan in order to infect the bastard with his own ability.
The main difference between Barragan and Zommari is, Barragan was nigh invincible, Zommari not so much.
Nothing that Orihime can't fix :p
Or he'll do it himself. He already said Orihime's powers are similar to his own, plus he healed/restored Tsubaki when Orihime wasn't able to.
Lelouch
08-20-2009, 03:22 PM
If that's the case, then Orihime would be the only one who could heal him. She can't heal herself, right? Then again, his powers might be at the point where he has overcome that weakness.
And I agree Megaman, I guess Kubo has a fetish for characters losing an arm/hand.
Neo Ultra Mike
08-20-2009, 03:34 PM
Originally posted by Mr. Obesssion
Or he'll do it himself. He already said Orihime's powers are similar to his own, plus he healed/restored Tsubaki when Orihime wasn't able to.
Actually reading a previous point in the manga
Hachi mentions his power is "more a regression of space" while Orihimie is more a regression of space time, so her powers in terms of "healing" are actually far greater then Hacchi. (She just can't apparently use any of these powers for combat which is what makes her so weak). Also after he healed Ichigo before the Hueco Mundo arc, he mentions to activate his powers he needs to idenity the subject he's regressing. Which means he should be able to do it fine with himself and people like him but people he dosen't know he really can't do as well.
Still I do have to admit
That is a clever way to take down Barragan: find a way to infect him with his own death breath power. A lot of these battles seems to just be overpowering someone or getting a lucky random hit in. If this takes out Barragan this will be the only Espada battle since Aporro (and one of the few in the freaking series) that is actually won by strategy not just power ups out of nowhere or something.
RockmanDash
08-20-2009, 03:59 PM
That is a clever way to take down Barragan: find a way to infect him with his own death breath power. A lot of these battles seems to just be overpowering someone or getting a lucky random hit in. If this takes out Barragan this will be the only Espada battle since Aporro (and one of the few in the freaking series) that is actually won by strategy not just power ups out of nowhere or something.
Don't forget Byakuya vs Zommari adds to the actual strategy list as well since he used his bankai to confuse the heck out of his release.
Oh Hachi you indeed are awesome..
I'm a bit interested in Harribel's battle though, I'm guessing Hitsugaya is going to help out Lisa somehow as well.
thenewme93
08-20-2009, 11:43 PM
I'm a bit interested in Harribel's battle though, I'm guessing Hitsugaya is going to help out Lisa somehow as well.
Me, too he didn't get a plotkai for nothing..
Rocketboy
08-21-2009, 01:19 AM
Based on the pics, I'd say his overconfidence is justified. He survived Soi Fon's supposed one-hit-kill bankai to the face. From what I understand, it takes Hatchi getting his own hand infected, amputating it and sealing it with kido (that's badass right there), and then transporting it inside Barragan in order to infect the bastard with his own ability.
The main difference between Barragan and Zommari is, Barragan was nigh invincible, Zommari not so much.
Also, the thing with Zommari was that he was basically unknown aside from the calm personality he presented, so his going crazy seemed to come out of nowhere. Barragan on the other hand, was more expected, due to his "They are all ants!" personality.
Demonic Raven
08-21-2009, 01:39 AM
FINALLY, another Espada is down, only three more to go.
I'm curious to know how the battle with Yammy is going, since we haven't seen them since Yammy released and I'm wondering how the likes of Rukia, Renji, and Chad (of all people) are doing against freaking number 0. If anything, that one is going to be an asspull and a half, more so than the others.
RockmanDash
08-21-2009, 02:49 AM
FINALLY, another Espada is down, only three more to go.
I'm curious to know how the battle with Yammy is going, since we haven't seen them since Yammy released and I'm wondering how the likes of Rukia, Renji, and Chad (of all people) are doing against freaking number 0. If anything, that one is going to be an asspull and a half, more so than the others.
Not true, Captain Unohana is there who has yet to battle and she's post to be one of the strongest captains the Soul Society has. And we still have no idea if Yammi's powers only increased by simple size and nothing more. I'm actually starting to think if Unohana does not save the day, it's going to end up being Urahara since Yammy wanted a rematch with him.
ShadowGUN
08-21-2009, 08:03 AM
Hacchi is freaking bad ass :cool:. Cutting his own infected arm and putting inside Barrangar was a pretty awesome strategy.
Demonic Raven
08-21-2009, 12:29 PM
Not true, Captain Unohana is there who has yet to battle and she's post to be one of the strongest captains the Soul Society has. And we still have no idea if Yammi's powers only increased by simple size and nothing more. I'm actually starting to think if Unohana does not save the day, it's going to end up being Urahara since Yammy wanted a rematch with him.
Okay, then it'll be a Big Damn Heroes (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BigDamnHeroes) moment and a half, another Bleach standard. :p
But now that you mention it, I'd love to see Unohana finally battle.
Paul_Cousins
08-21-2009, 03:31 PM
It's always the quiet ones... And Haichi proves how badass he is by not only cutting off his arm, but using it as an effective weapon against Barrangar.
I wonder if Barrangar didn't quickly shift back to Hueco Mundo, while he was dissolving.
Rolling Cloud
08-21-2009, 07:20 PM
Still I do have to admit
That is a clever way to take down Barragan: find a way to infect him with his own death breath power. A lot of these battles seems to just be overpowering someone or getting a lucky random hit in. If this takes out Barragan this will be the only Espada battle since Aporro (and one of the few in the freaking series) that is actually won by strategy not just power ups out of nowhere or something.
Don't forget Byakuya vs Zommari adds to the actual strategy list as well since he used his bankai to confuse the heck out of his release.
In a way, the Syazel fight could be added to the strategy list too. (At the very least, the Mayuri portion)
Scirel
08-21-2009, 09:02 PM
Well it looks like he's definitely absolutely dead for sure positively this time. We saw his body dissolve. In any media, that's usually the surest way to tell someone is dead.
Any bets on the next fight? Most likely, It'll be Halibel, but since Kubo likes to have the girls survive, we may cut to yammy or stark.
If he is dead, which I think he is, then he didn't have a second transformation like Ulquiorra did. Which means he might still be the only one to have it.
FireStarterLE
08-22-2009, 02:32 AM
Any bets on the next fight? Most likely, It'll be Halibel, but since Kubo likes to have the girls survive, we may cut to yammy or stark.
That'd be my guess, Stark was last the first time as well (plus it would look bad on the Espada if Num 1 was beaten before Num 3)
That's my guess on the fight though I wouldn't mind if Kubo did a change of scenery for the next part and go back to HM or something before finishing these last two espada fights.
ShadowGUN
08-25-2009, 10:01 AM
This week chapter: Barrangar is dead but before he goes we get a flashback.
- Barrangar begins to die. He goes into flashback mode.
- Barrangar was the king of Hueco Mundo until Aizen arrive.
- Barrangar hated Aizen for stealing his throne. He was planing on killing him when the time was right.
- Stark and Harribell see Barrangar die without saying a word. Aizen just ignore him
Neo Ultra Mike
08-25-2009, 11:15 AM
And so
Barragan joins the "I only got a Flashback RIGHT BEFORE my demise" club. I can understand wanting to do some backstory on the main group of villians but what's with only doing it right after they go? Seems like an afterthought really.
Kubo: Hmmm maybe I should explain his personality a bit BEFORE he is killed. Oh I know I'll do it right at his death. That will work.
You know it's weird: We've so far had flashbacks for Aarenerio (well an explanation of how he got that way anyway), Granz and Nnotria (though it was mainly Nnortia's flashback with Granz just appearing in a scene or two) Grimmjow and Ulqourria. Nnortira and Ulqourria had one right before they died (though Ulqourria ironically enough despite being one of the more popular Espada around only had the one right before he died) and everyone else's was more scattered to they're end. Truthfully I'd hope for some Espada development when they're you know, alive. Please don't put Starrk and Harribel in that same boat Kubo: we know the trick now and it's already getting old.
Please tell me they didnt waste another whole chapter on this dude dying. Didn't he set up the next fight at least?
Mr. Obsession
08-25-2009, 12:48 PM
So
that means Los Noches was Barry's castle and the giant stone throne was actually his at one point. That's kind of awesome.
I don't know who's going next, but I get the feeling that whichever is the last Espada fight we get to will be the one who survives to the next arc. Maybe that's why we skipped Harribel and went straight to #2.
RockmanDash
08-25-2009, 01:58 PM
Am I the only one who does not agree with Barragan getting development? I think knowing he was the king of Hueco Mundo and the original owner to Las Nocheswas good enough to be honest, it's honestly as simple as that. Harribel I doubt will have much either because really there is nothing interesting to be known about her besides the fact that she has a great relationship with her Fraccion. I do see a good backstory for Stark though..
As for the fights, I'm seeing all the Espada fights finished before cutting to Yammi from the looks of things. But then again...I'd rather get a change in where we are now. Karkura town fighting is really getting a bit boring and it's been going on for months.
Rocketboy
08-25-2009, 02:36 PM
I don't know, I like these little back stories to non-major characters, and I don't think Barragan's is disappointing.
Nnortira and Ulqourria had one right before they died (though Ulqourria ironically enough despite being one of the more popular Espada around only had the one right before he died) and everyone else's was more scattered to they're end.
what you talking about??, Ulquiorra dint have no flashback before he died (or ever).
Besides, if you don't count Grimmjaw, Ulquiorra has had the most development out of all the Espada (or arrancar), he doesn't need any flashbacks.
silvanoir
08-25-2009, 07:16 PM
Ulquiorra didn't have a flashback. He did have multiple discussions with Orihime, trying to figure out what a human heart is for. But that's all.
Yeah, with this weeks spoiler... would have ben a heck of a lot more exciting if there was a rebelion led before now by the original ruler of Las Noches aganist Aizen, instead of just an afterthought/flashback. Instead of these almost pointless floating-in-the-air fights. But I guess that would have resembled too much of a plot! :(
zoombie
08-27-2009, 08:21 PM
While I wait to read the chapter. I thought I will share this thought I had.
The Bleach characters in a adaption of Cinderella. So far here what I have for the cast.
Orihime: Cinderella
Ichigo: The Prince
Ulquiorra: evil step father
Lolly: stepsister 1
Molly: stepsister 2
Rangiku: fairy godmother
Kon: himself (in the story Cinderalla had talking animal friends, Kon plays that role only this time Cinderella has talking stuffed animal friends)
Tell me what you think. For all you non Ichigo / Orihime supporters, what can I say sorry. Orihime fits the personality of Cinderella like a glove.
garfield15
08-27-2009, 08:34 PM
So what did that make Rukia in the last arc? Rapunzel? :p
Neo Ultra Mike
08-27-2009, 09:37 PM
Originally posted by zoombie
Tell me what you think. For all you non Ichigo / Orihime supporters, what can I say sorry. Orihime fits the personality of Cinderella like a glove.
Hmm I think Cinderella would of been a lot more interesting if she had a more manic psycho part of her imagination and imagined herself as a half robot cyborg and liked crafting weird food combination dishes very few could ever stomach.:D
Besides though Ichigo lakes the full on solid personality that still manages to save the girl at the end (no offense to Ichigo fans but he is kind of bland if you really think about it) I don't really know if the idea of Bleach would fit in well with classic disney golden age animation. Also if you were doing this idea, Unohana should be the fairy godmather (since I don't remember the godmother in Cinderella being as ditzy yet still sexily teasing as Rangiku), and have the mod souls and while we're at it, Nell and Fraccion join in as the mice. Oh, and Aizen should be the evil step-mother if you're putting a guy into that role. Let's not forget that in the end Ulqourria ended up sort of having a heart in his final moments, and the godmother's only real power was coming up with small schemes to torture Cinderella, and you know how Aizen gets off on messing with people.
zoombie
08-27-2009, 10:26 PM
Hmm I think Cinderella would of been a lot more interesting if she had a more manic psycho part of her imagination and imagined herself as a half robot cyborg and liked crafting weird food combination dishes very few could ever stomach.:D
Besides though Ichigo lakes the full on solid personality that still manages to save the girl at the end (no offense to Ichigo fans but he is kind of bland if you really think about it) I don't really know if the idea of Bleach would fit in well with classic disney golden age animation. Also if you were doing this idea, Unohana should be the fairy godmather (since I don't remember the godmother in Cinderella being as ditzy yet still sexily teasing as Rangiku), and have the mod souls and while we're at it, Nell and Fraccion join in as the mice. Oh, and Aizen should be the evil step-mother if you're putting a guy into that role. Let's not forget that in the end Ulqourria ended up sort of having a heart in his final moments, and the godmother's only real power was coming up with small schemes to torture Cinderella, and you know how Aizen gets off on messing with people.
Dully noted, some good suggestions. Let me add, Chad, Uryu, and Renji would be part of the royal admenistration, Chad could be the prince's body guard, and Uryu the royal adviser or prime minister, and Renji could be a knight.
I think Lolly and Molly are perfect for the stepsisters, since they are jealous of Orihime. The way they treated Orihime and motives for it, is almost identical to how the stepsisters treated Cinderalla.
If the anime wasn't in the middle of the by far greatest filler arc ever, I would suggest this for them, this would be a better filler episode, than the usual filler episodes. Maybe this is another one of Orihime's day dreams.
But I agree that at some point, unlike Prince Charming, Ichigo would get to kick some butt at some point, because he is Ichigo.
Orihime fits the personality of Cinderella like a glove....I just thought of this...of all the Disney characters,Orihime reminds me most of Giselle (Enchanted)...They're both ditzy,but good-hearted redheads,who fall in love with guys who are their complete opposite (Ichigo and Robert)...
Lelouch
08-28-2009, 12:06 AM
what you talking about??, Ulquiorra dint have no flashback before he died (or ever).
Besides, if you don't count Grimmjaw, Ulquiorra has had the most development out of all the Espada (or arrancar), he doesn't need any flashbacks.
Does Nel count? Speaking of Nel...when Ichigo and company finally get out of HM I really hope Nel is with them and plays a part in helping them. I think the chances of her being killed off are very slim, so I'd just like to see what she has to offer.
Oh and you are right, Ulquiorra didn't have a flashback...but then again I am still of the belief that he may still be alive....or is that just being desperate?
Does Nel count? Speaking of Nel...when Ichigo and company finally get out of HM I really hope Nel is with them and plays a part in helping them. I think the chances of her being killed off are very slim, so I'd just like to see what she has to offer.
...I hope so...I like Nel...
silvanoir
08-28-2009, 12:35 AM
Disney-fied Bleach? already been thought of. (enjoy some cracky fanart by various artists!)
http://propensity.deviantart.com/art/Bleach-the-Movie-91346514
http://koklico.deviantart.com/art/Bleach-and-The-Lion-King-01-68817129
http://tarkheki.deviantart.com/art/Renji-48664987
http://ilovemybishies87.deviantart.com/art/Ulqui-Eeyore-89618405
:D
couldn't find any Cinderella-Orihime's though, so have at it!
Personally I think Sleeping Beauty might fit more, her hairpin fairies could be the fairies, Ichigo the prince, Ulquiorra could be the dragon. ;)
Baseball
08-28-2009, 03:19 AM
Looks like next week, we get Starrk against Love and Rose. Surprising--I thought for sure that Harribel would go first.
Monte
08-28-2009, 03:27 AM
I don't know, I like these little back stories to non-major characters, and I don't think Barragan's is disappointing.
I don't know... i'm left asking why he didn't kill Aizen back then and there... from what we've seen of Barragan's power, the guy seems pretty damn omnipotent to the point where only his own power could kill him... not to mention with his level of arrogance, it doesn't sound like he was previously beaten into submission... frankly, it sounds like he would fought till death (though constantly expecting that, despite the damage he takes, that he will not be killed) before submiting to Aizen...
Making a deal with Aizen? sure... following Aizen just to amuse himself? ok... but actually being forced to serve under Aizen? nah, i don't see it
not to mention it surprises me he would wait till death to try and get a shot in at Aizen... y'know, instead of taking advantage of this battle as a chance to turn on Aizen
Honestly... Noi, Grim, Barry... really, i don't care much for their long flashbacks moments before they die... i'd rather see these things when their still alive, when i'm still questioning their future... Honestly, i'd much prefer to move on with the story at this point... really, a lot of fights in shonen, and bleach in particular take too damn long as it is
Grave
08-28-2009, 03:38 AM
That was actually a lot better than I thought it was going to be, mainly because of Aizen. Barragan became one of those annoying villains that whine when you get the best of them, and I can't stand that trait. I think I really lost interest in the guy when he did all that bragging to Soifon about aging the first time.
FireStarterLE
08-28-2009, 04:25 AM
Honestly... Noi, Grim, Barry... really, i don't care much for their long flashbacks moments before they die... i'd rather see these things when their still alive, when i'm still questioning their future...
Both Nnoitra and Barragan had pretty evident deaths, Grimmjow's on the other hand was inconclusive. So he may be the exception to an Espada dying and then getting a background story.
zoombie
08-28-2009, 08:34 AM
Well this was an okay chapter. This defentely reminded me of the Grimmjow backstory chapter.
I think the next chapter we get back to Hueco Mundo, I just think it is time.
Grave
08-28-2009, 10:41 AM
So what exactly did Aizen do anyway? Was everyone already under his hypnosis?
Mr. Obsession
08-28-2009, 11:19 AM
Yeah, the moment he told Barry to look at his sword and called out it's name he was under hypnosis. Then while Aizen was talking Gin and Tosen slaughtered the hollow. After they were done, Aizen dispelled it.
Two things about the flashback stuck out at me. First Barry's nearly identical to his release form. Is that evidence that he was a natural arrancar before Aizen acquired the hogyoku? And second, based on Tosen's dress, Gin's age, and the Aizen's hairstyle and glasses the scene took place at some point before they left Soul Society, but long after Turn Back the Pendulum.
kaine23
08-28-2009, 12:06 PM
Interesting chapter. So it's likely safe to say Aizen was consolidating his power in HM before he made his moves in Soul Society. Brilliant. perhaps we can come up with a pseudo-timeline of Aizen's moves by now.
Lelouch
08-28-2009, 12:24 PM
I'm just tired of Kubo dragging this out. I almost feel like he is doing it because he really has no idea what he is going to do when Aizen actually has to make his move. He probably can't decide whether or not to let him win.
Personally, I think it would certainly up the stakes if Aizen were able to win and destroy KT. That said, with the heroes seemingly impossible to defeat, I doubt Aizen will.
Dear Kubo,
You have far too many characters, please eliminate some of the good guys...for real.
Thanks.
Demonic Raven
08-28-2009, 12:35 PM
Two things about the flashback stuck out at me. First Barry's nearly identical to his release form. Is that evidence that he was a natural arrancar before Aizen acquired the hogyoku? And second, based on Tosen's dress, Gin's age, and the Aizen's hairstyle and glasses the scene took place at some point before they left Soul Society, but long after Turn Back the Pendulum.At first I thought that the scene was taking place immediately after Aizen left the SS for good, but then I remembered that they were rescued by the Menos that time. I think it would make sense for the scene to take place sometime before the SS arc took place, since by then they were busy taking control of Central 46 and playing their roles as Captains.
I'm trying to think back to Grimmjow's flashback. He looked pretty similar to his release form, just more panther like. It's possible that Barry was already a Vasto Lorde, and then upon meeting Aizen got turned into an Arrancar, hence his more Human looking form. He even mentions "I will make you regret giving me power", which I would guess is the Arrancar transformation Aizen gave him.
RockmanDash
08-28-2009, 02:23 PM
I'm just tired of Kubo dragging this out. I almost feel like he is doing it because he really has no idea what he is going to do when Aizen actually has to make his move. He probably can't decide whether or not to let him win.
Personally, I think it would certainly up the stakes if Aizen were able to win and destroy KT. That said, with the heroes seemingly impossible to defeat, I doubt Aizen will.
Dear Kubo,
You have far too many characters, please eliminate some of the good guys...for real.
Thanks.
I somewhat agree with you but somewhat don't. It's true that this is going slow but now things are actually happening. Were most likely heading back to Hueco Mundo to finish whats happening there and that will be probably around twenty chapters, in the end it's all going to end in one place most likely. Kubo is simply going slow because he wants to give each character somewhat of a moment, you can't just have Hachi kill Barragan in two seconds and say "DONE!". Honestly it's really interesting that Aizen has had Hueco Mundo a bit longer than we thought, I can't wait when we actually get some more backstory on the guy.
silvanoir
08-28-2009, 08:12 PM
I'm just tired of Kubo dragging this out. I almost feel like he is doing it because he really has no idea what he is going to do when Aizen actually has to make his move. He probably can't decide whether or not to let him win.
Personally, I think it would certainly up the stakes if Aizen were able to win and destroy KT. That said, with the heroes seemingly impossible to defeat, I doubt Aizen will.
Dear Kubo,
You have far too many characters, please eliminate some of the good guys...for real.
Thanks.
Seriously, with the Vizards and all of Soul Society, and Ichigo + friends... it's very lopsided. Most people don't care much about a minor Soul Society character versus a minor Hueco Mundo character.
And it stops being exciting when you know that Soul Society will always win... they might lose a limb or some other body part, but they'll always win.
Plus Aizen's already shown that he could just pull out his sword, hypnotize the whole crowd, and slaughter everyone if he wanted to. So why the hell isn't he?
Monte
08-29-2009, 12:21 AM
Honestly it's really interesting that Aizen has had Hueco Mundo a bit longer than we thought,
Actually i thought it was already suggested that Aizen had been in HM for a while... not only was he save by the menos which would have meant establishing alliances before hand, but we also know from Nel's backstory that the espada had existed for years to the point that there was a previous line of espada... granted, it's possible the espada existed before Aizen showed up (i don't recall if those flashbacks made reference to Aizen), but so far we've seen no indication of that, so i always assumed that Aizen had been working in HM for a good long time as he was the one who formed the Espada in the first place... in fact considering that their was a previous line of Espada and that Baragan was rank #2 and nel #3 i might assume that he was a later addition and not part of the original group, meaning Aizen's presence in HM may predates him recruiting Baragan
frankly, because he was already dying... All baragan's flashback really seemed to do was add a dynamic to his character that had already become irrelevant due to his own death... really, it only added credit to Aizen's bad ass points, which i think were high enough already... seriously, Aizen as a villain really grown to bore me
Neo Ultra Mike
08-29-2009, 12:43 AM
Originally posted by Monte
granted, it's possible the espada existed before Aizen showed up (i don't recall if those flashbacks made reference to Aizen),
They did actually. One of Nnortia's flashback showed him murdering a group of Arrancar back when he was Espada 8 and Neliel was 3 and she chastied him for unneeded bloodlust when they were looking for Vasto Lordes to join they're group under orders of Aizen. So Neliel was an Espada when Aizen was in charge so obviously yeah he has been there for awhile. Glad that's been finally established now since otherwise it'd make a lot of these flashbacks not make any sense otherwise.
Mr. Obsession
08-29-2009, 12:44 AM
Dear Kubo,
You have far too many characters, please eliminate some of the good guys...for real.
Thanks.
And who would you suggest should be purged from the cast?
Grave
08-29-2009, 01:09 AM
And who would you suggest should be purged from the cast?
Toushiro
Soifon
Omaeda
Ichigo (coughs)
Chad
Ishida
Renji
Momo
Rukia
Orihime
Hanataro
Not that I really care at this point about who lives or dies in this series, but that's just a few I wish would kick the bucket. I'm just a tad bit evil, don't mind me. :D
Mr. Obsession
08-29-2009, 01:34 AM
Sorry, but anyone from Ichigo's closest circle are probably the safest members of the cast. Missing limbs aside. :p
For all the crap he's done Mayuri deserves to be put down. And I think we all know that when he goes he'll drag Nemu down with him.
Yamamoto could conceivably be killed off just so Aizen can demonstrate just how strong he really is.
But honestly, beyond Mayuri and Yamamoto I can't think of a scenario where Kubo kills off a named shinigami character that doesn't take place in a flashback. I mean Hitsugaya and Momo should have died when Aizen gutted them under Central 46. And someone should have died during Allon's rampage. If we're not going to get character death in those situations I just don't see it happening really.
Interesting chapter. So it's likely safe to say Aizen was consolidating his power in HM before he made his moves in Soul Society. Brilliant. perhaps we can come up with a pseudo-timeline of Aizen's moves by now.
Based on what we've been told up to this point I believe it goes something like this:
- Aizen converts Tosen to his cause while he's still a member of his division.
- Turn Back the Pendulum Starts
- Aizen meets Gin.
- Aizen begins his experiments on random souls and a few low level shinigami.
- The Visored incident/Urahara and the other Flee Soul Society
- Aizen begins experimenting on Hollow.
- Tosen and Gin advance to become captains of their own divisions.
- One of Aizen’s hollow experiments is let loose in Soul Society, it merges with Kaien Shiba. After being killed it rematerializes in Hueco Mundo where Aaroniero eats it gaining both sets of abilities.
- Aaroniero, with his ability to evolve without limit, catches Aizen's eye. Aizen starts the original Espada (Zommari stated that Aaroniero was the last of the original Espada).
- Making a trip into Hueco Mundo, Azien finds Barragan, Szayel is recruited at this point, or shortly after.
- Aizen has the Espada build Los Noches into its current incarnation.
- Aizen recruits more powerful arrancar, Szayel loses his place among the Espada.
- Aizen orders the Espada to start finding the Vasto Lordes.
- Nnoitra and Szayel ambush Nelliel, Szayel reenters the Espada ranks.
- Dordonii joins the Espada (he didn't recognise Nel's mask or cero absorption ability)
- Aizen takes possession of the Hogyoku, and uses it to strengthen is arrancar army.
- Dordonii, Crucci, and Gantenbainne become Privaron Espada.
- Aizen rounds out the Espada with whichever members were missing from the most current line-up: Yammy, Aaroniero, Szayel, Zommari, Grimmjow, Nnoitra, Ulquiorra, Harribel, Barragan, Stark, and Yammy (:p)
Grave
08-29-2009, 01:47 AM
Sorry, but anyone from Ichigo's closest circle are probably the safest members of the cast. Missing limbs aside. :p
For all the crap he's done Mayuri deserves to be put down. And I think we all know that when he goes he'll drag Nemu down with him.
Dream killer :D.
Honestly, I completely forgot about Mayuri (Kubo, you need to fix that). Yes, he needs to die as well.
RockmanDash
08-29-2009, 03:22 AM
Dream killer :D.
Honestly, I completely forgot about Mayuri (Kubo, you need to fix that). Yes, he needs to die as well.
Uh Mayuri won't be going anywhere from what I can tell, he's a captain and right now I don't think Kubo has any thought of taking any captains out besides Yamma. And besides, Mayuri is the creepy scientist, can't have a manga/show without the creepy scientist! =D And his fights make me laugh somewhat, basically if Mayuri is involved you know the enemy is going to get owned at some point.
Grave
08-29-2009, 03:42 AM
Uh Mayuri won't be going anywhere from what I can tell, he's a captain and right now I don't think Kubo has any thought of taking any captains out besides Yamma. And besides, Mayuri is the creepy scientist, can't have a manga/show without the creepy scientist! =D And his fights make me laugh somewhat, basically if Mayuri is involved you know the enemy is going to get owned at some point.
I'm aware of that. I just don't like the guy. (Nor those folks I've listed) I've never thought much about Mayuri outside of being a punk. (The incident with Nemu still sticks out in my mind.) I never cared for any of the fights he was involved in. Something about scientist/witch doctors just don't interest me.
Monte
08-29-2009, 04:16 AM
But honestly, beyond Mayuri and Yamamoto I can't think of a scenario where Kubo kills off a named shinigami character that doesn't take place in a flashback. I mean Hitsugaya and Momo should have died when Aizen gutted them under Central 46. And someone should have died during Allon's rampage. If we're not going to get character death in those situations I just don't see it happening really.
I think that's part of the complaint, that kubo DIDN'T kill off any good guys at those points and time and should have.
Really, it's bad enough that this "war" feels like it's nothing more than a small skrimish due to the fact that their are only a small handful of participants, that the fighters have paired up, and there's a huge lack of chaos in this battle... we also have to deal with the fact there are no casualties on one of the sides which lowers the tension and makes this feel even less like a war...
I'm aware of that. I just don't like the guy. (Nor those folks I've listed) I've never thought much about Mayuri outside of being a punk. (The incident with Nemu still sticks out in my mind.) I never cared for any of the fights he was involved in. Something about scientist/witch doctors just don't interest me.
Eh, mayuri doesn't make a good candidate for death... he's in a very weird gray area on hero villian scale that makes him hard to describe...
because of his character he is unable to die tragically and emotionally (or make someone close to him feel emotional over his loss as Nemu lacks emotions)... that's practically a requirement for "good guys" that villains kill... As such, the only way he could die is in a non-tradgic fashion which means he has to die like a villain at the hands of a hero... though at this point, that doesn't seem like its going to happen due to the fact that he fights on the side of SS, against the villains
i guess you could still argue ishida getting revenge against Mayuri as ishida does not offically ally himself with shimigami, but really, i feel like all the momentum from his grandfather's death has completely died off... first, the amount of time that's past since then; second, the fact that mayuri saved ishida's life (an element that tends to lead the victim moving on); and three, they actually developed a comedy dynamic going on between them... feels kinda awkward for ishida to go back to his "revenge!" trip against him...
Grave
08-29-2009, 06:04 AM
Mayuri don't need a tradgic death. Just die, ya know.... :evil: (I know. I'm a very sad person.)
Captain Highwind
08-29-2009, 08:00 AM
Hm, a few weeks seems to be my limit away from this series. Oh well.
Oh Barragan. You kook, how I laugh at you. You were waiting for the chance to take down Aizen? Let me enact the scene for you:
Barragan: *Spews gas*
(Aizen unsheathes his sword)
http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s97/Mr_Highwind/bleach/motivator23df5c44186f562958f90b1c0d.jpg
END SCENE
If Barragan was trying to usurp him in ORDER to become King of Hueco Mundo, that would be one thing. But to previously BE king? I feel nothing. Good for Aizen though.
Hopefully Hell has better antagonists.
Toushiro
Soifon
Omaeda
Ichigo (coughs)
Chad
Ishida
Renji
Momo
Rukia
Orihime
Hanataro
Not that I really care at this point about who lives or dies in this series, but that's just a few I wish would kick the bucket. I'm just a tad bit evil, don't mind me. :D...If he kills off either Renji or Orihime,I'm done with Bleach (I'd mention Ichigo,but he's got "main character immunity"...or Rukia but she's one of the most popular characters,so they're both safe)....though I doubt he'll kill off any of the major "good guys"....while I like alot of other characters,noone else's death would bother me,at least not to the point of quitting the series....
Wouldn't mind if he got rid of Mayuri (he kinda creeps me out,plus Nemu would be free of him)...
bigdeath
08-30-2009, 12:16 AM
I hope this means that we can see more of starrk fighting, he is my favorite Arrancar.
Paul_Cousins
08-30-2009, 12:35 AM
I hope this means that we can see more of starrk fighting, he is my favorite Arrancar.Speaking of Stark, since Barragan was originally King of the Hollow, and rank 02, how of Stark fit into this situation given his rank as 01?
What is Stark's origin?
I can see Yami (rank 00) as someone rising from the ranks. But Stark though, how does he fit into this?
Meh, i seriously doubt that Barragan was actually the king of the ENTIRE hueco mundo, he was probably just a big shot hollow in the one the part of hueco mundo where Las Noches is and he and those in that area that chose to serve him called him the king of hueco mundo (he seems full enough of himself to do that), i bet if you went deeper where the Vasto Lorde are, guys like barragan would be weak.
Think about it, Hueco mundo is a place where hollows have eat each other to survive or prevent themselves from regresing, well, at least the menos do anyway, theres no way order of that kind can exist in such a place, itd be mostly a free for all besides small groups like what Grimmjaw had or what Barragan had at the biggest.
RockmanDash
08-30-2009, 01:14 AM
Speaking of Stark, since Barragan was originally King of the Hollow, and rank 02, how of Stark fit into this situation given his rank as 01?
What is Stark's origin?
I can see Yami (rank 00) as someone rising from the ranks. But Stark though, how does he fit into this?
Alot of what Tiger said and think of Stark's release for one thing, he can release so much powerful cero out of his guns. I would think that's extremely powerful as it is, and I doubt we seen all all of what his release can do yet. But besides his power in general, Stark's origin does interest me as well.
Monte
08-30-2009, 02:30 AM
Speaking of Stark, since Barragan was originally King of the Hollow, and rank 02, how of Stark fit into this situation given his rank as 01?
I can see Yami (rank 00) as someone rising from the ranks. But Stark though, how does he fit into this?
I wouldn't be surprised if Aizen game Barragan a lower rank just to rub salt in his wounds; a reminder of his "place"
Meh, i seriously doubt that Barragan was actually the king of the ENTIRE hueco mundo, he was probably just a big shot hollow in the one the part of hueco mundo where Las Noches is and he and those in that area that chose to serve him called him the king of hueco mundo (he seems full enough of himself to do that), i bet if you went deeper where the Vasto Lorde are, guys like barragan would be weak.
Agreed about him not truly being King... but i'd say he'd have to be a vasto lorde... seriously, i doubt he could believe that he was the king and was already at the top of the world if he had not even finished evolving as a hollow...
Grave
08-30-2009, 02:44 AM
I actually think Barragan was king over Hueco Mundo given Starks personality. I don't think he cared.
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