Bleach 195. Current manga discussion. *MAJOR SPOILERS!* [Archive] - Page 10

Mr. Obsession

05-16-2009, 02:50 PM

Wow. Soi Fon got stuck with the worst possible opponet a close combat specialest could face. The smartest thing she could do at this point is would be to start using long distance kido attacks, or to switch with someone who can attack from a distance.

Considering what Barragen can do, I don't know if I want to know what the even more powerful Stark can do.

Because Kubo has her as an idiot that wants to see what arrancars are all about... As I've stated before, if I were to actually go by that interview that was posted recently, would that mean Kubo forgot that Soifon has Shunko? Or is it that incomplete till she don't even want to attempt it? (Either way, she's an idiot.)
But to use Shunko/Flash Cry she needs to be close enough to touch him. With Barragen's AoE attack that would be suicide.

soundmonkey44

05-16-2009, 02:53 PM

I agree Poor Soi Fon, I hope She Gets out of the ordeal Alive! She's one of my top 5 fav. Female Characters in Bleach! But Im not Really that worried about the lost arm, I'm Sure that one Mad Scientist Captian (who's name I can never remember! UGG!) could help her out there.:sweat:

RockmanDash

05-16-2009, 06:18 PM

Wow. Soi Fon got stuck with the worst possible opponet a close combat specialest could face. The smartest thing she could do at this point is would be to start using long distance kido attacks, or to switch with someone who can attack from a distance.

Considering what Barragen can do, I don't know if I want to know what the even more powerful Stark can do.

But to use Shunko/Flash Cry she needs to be close enough to touch him. With Barragen's AoE attack that would be suicide.

*Would find it hilarious if Soi Fong and Hitsugaya switched places and actually somehow won* >_>

thenewme93

05-17-2009, 12:21 PM

*Would find it hilarious if Soi Fong and Hitsugaya switched places and actually somehow won* >_>

*Bets $$$$ that this is gonna happen*

Beat

05-17-2009, 12:59 PM

What's with Toshiro? You'd swear Kubo thought he was an orange haired girl...

Don_East

05-17-2009, 07:56 PM

What's with Toshiro? You'd swear Kubo thought he was an orange haired girl...
You better mean Rangiku or else it'll be last AFD all over again.

Beat

05-17-2009, 08:22 PM

Has Masumoto even had a fight recently?

Kubo's scatterbrained fights seem to be more about hyping up the villains than anything.

"Well, I've got bear people, and sharks with fricking laser beams attached to their heads, and DEVILMAN, and Skeletor. How do I top it?"

"Sir, what about the heroes?"

"The who? Oh, those losers? Yeah, have them get beat up by Serpentor next chapter."

Don_East

05-17-2009, 08:28 PM

Well, she fought back in November. IIRC, she got beaten up and had to saved by Blonde Emo at the last minute.

Rud

05-17-2009, 08:30 PM

"The who? Oh, those losers? Yeah, have them get beat up by Serpentor next chapter."
what losers?, surely you don't mean those guys who've never lost a guy before do you?

garfield15

05-17-2009, 08:33 PM

Has Masumoto even had a fight recently?

Um...

http://i350.photobucket.com/albums/q422/j_reader/06.jpg

I mean, she was doing well for a little while...

Rud

05-17-2009, 08:35 PM

Um...

http://i350.photobucket.com/albums/q422/j_reader/06.jpg

I mean, she was doing well for a little while...
dude, if that monster had eaten that part of her it'd be so awesome.

Neo Ultra Mike

05-17-2009, 08:38 PM

Originally posted by Beat
Has Masumoto even had a fight recently?

Yeah against Halibel's Fraccion and Allon. (Other people mentioned it but I'm menitoning it in detail so there). In fact I thought you were referring to her when you said "thought Kubo she was an orange haired girl" since Matsumoto got seriously messed up when fighting against Allon when he freaking took a piece out of her (wonder how they're gonig to censor that in the anime since that fight should be coming up in a few eps). And Hitsaguya has been getting sliced around and smashed in some in this fight (unless this is ANOTHER freaking Ice Clone. Which it better not be). I mean the Orihime comparsion wouldn't make sense since that would actually require Orihime trying to fight back and damage her opponents which last I checked hasn't really happened since... what Yammy? She slapped Ulqourria as an emotional reaction then anything else and... I think that's the only time she even remotley tried fighting back against someone since then.

Kubo's scatterbrained fights seem to be more about hyping up the villains than anything.

"Well, I've got bear people, and sharks with fricking laser beams attached to their heads, and DEVILMAN, and Skeletor. How do I top it?"

"Sir, what about the heroes?"

"The who? Oh, those losers? Yeah, have them get beat up by Serpentor next chapter."

"You already did a snake release remember?

"Oh yeah... Okay then he'll be the lonley... dragon. I haven't done dragon yet right?"

"Ugh, are you even planning ahead in any of these fights?"

"Uh a bit. I do know Ichigo's going to beat Aizen with a Level 5 Hollow Transformation."

"Anything else?"

"Maybe one or two things... perhaps."

"Like say introducing Soi Fon's Bankai, or having the Vizard come in, or maybe Urhara's training actually producing some results-"

"Nah. Nothing like that. I'll just make something up out of the blue again. You know that's how I like to roll."

"...It's also how fans like to roll your head off you know."

Paul_Cousins

05-17-2009, 10:58 PM

Edit: posted message in wrong thread.

FireStarterLE

05-17-2009, 11:37 PM

Good chapter.

I got to give Danzo credit, when he screws up (unless he knew it would happen), he does it with style.

Danzo forced Pein to kill his best friend (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/StartOfDarkness), causing him to have a freak out (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FreakOut), causing in him summoning a Eldritch Abomination (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/EldritchAbomination).

Said Eldritch Abomination caused Pein to suffer a painful transformation (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BodyHorror), upgraded his powers (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WithGreatPowerComesGreatInsanity). Resulting in Pein killing lots of ninja (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/VillainousBSOD).

Though, Naruto does not forgive Pein. Naruto chose not to kill him because he wanted to honor Jiraiya belief.

:eek: CROSSOVER!!!!!

:)

*I don't think Naruto would have any troubles with the espada

Paul_Cousins

05-18-2009, 01:02 AM

:eek: CROSSOVER!!!!!

:)

*I don't think Naruto would have any troubles with the espadaARG! I posted in the wrong thread! :crying:

Rud

05-18-2009, 03:33 AM

You're demented aren't you? :Di meant in a "WOW OMGWTF!!!??" way

FireStarterLE

05-18-2009, 03:32 PM

ARG! I posted in the wrong thread! :crying:

It's something that happens to us all at some point, the universal unwritten message board rule says it's unavoidable, so no biggie.

Rolling Cloud

05-19-2009, 03:19 PM

I wonder if we'll see a Yama-ji bankai before this arc is done.

I'm still waiting for Gin's..

Anyway, spoilers are out:
On Soi Fon's end: Oomaeda for some silly reason is forced to be a decoy while Soifon "prepares something" for Barragan.
On Toshiro's end: Pretty much, he just goes on and on about having "the most powerful ice/snow Zanpakuto with powers 'from the heavens'" then releases a new attack at the end.

Rocketboy

05-19-2009, 03:21 PM

I wonder how they know which zanpakuto is the strongest ____. Do they examine all of them or something?

That said, I'm anticipating Hitsugaya's new attack.

ShadowGUN

05-19-2009, 03:24 PM

Mmm. Look like this week, One Piece is the only one with something exciting happening :sad:.

garfield15

05-19-2009, 03:37 PM

Mmm. Look like this week, One Piece is the only one with something exciting happening :sad:.
More like this month but you know....:p

thenewme93

05-19-2009, 08:50 PM

Looks like Toushiro might actually WIN this one.....

Novapocalypse

05-19-2009, 08:53 PM

Mmm. Look like this week, One Piece is the only one with something exciting happening :sad:.

Yeah, Bleach has been pretty dull recently. I am honestly hoping the next arc makes up for this, because this one just needs to end already.

But secondly Kubo needs to figure out whether he wants the Shinigami or the Espada to win this, because it looks like he is struggling.

Neo Ultra Mike

05-19-2009, 10:34 PM

Originally posted by thenewme93
Looks like Toushiro might actually WIN this one.....

Well he's one before against one of Grimmjow's Fraccion Shawlong back in the Arrancar ep. And honestly he dosen't deserve to win against Halibel. Seriously wasn't his super ultimate Ice attack not able to kill Luppi? Why the hell would he be able to now kill the third Espada when he couldn't kill the replacement 6th? Only Ichigo is allowed the random for no good reason super powerups in this manga. Also Halibel can control water anyway so all of this "my ultimate ice zanpkato can beat anything" is a bunch of bullcrap anyway since she should be able to noshow anything he has anyway. Though I do like Soi Fon finally starting to set up something (which had BETTER be her Bankai) I really hope that someone else ends up defeating Halibel. Maybe she defeats him and then tries fighting Yamamoto who defeats her or something, I dont' care. But not Hitsuguya. I don't care how many stupid fangirls he has he dosen't deserve to win this battle end of story.

Rocketboy

05-22-2009, 05:33 AM

I really am excited to see Hitsugaya's new attack.

But I'm still keep thinking this is going to wind up like Renji vs. Byakuya. :sweat:

Rud

05-22-2009, 06:04 AM

OMG, Toshiro might actually win with something he just happens to have never tried doing in Bankai before?:shrug:

kaine23

05-22-2009, 07:24 AM

I would have liked to see more Shinigami lose these battles myself, up the ante on how serious this has become and all.

warnerbroman

05-22-2009, 07:54 AM

Well he's one before against one of Grimmjow's Fraccion Shawlong back in the Arrancar ep. And honestly he dosen't deserve to win against Halibel. Seriously wasn't his super ultimate Ice attack not able to kill Luppi? y. was that attack use to hold him? also ichigo struggled aginst #5 and 6 but beat 4 by pull a power out of his bag of tricks at least white head knew about his

zoombie

05-22-2009, 07:56 AM

Hitsugaya has a new attack. What a cliffhanger.

warnerbroman

05-22-2009, 08:01 AM

Hitsugaya has a new attack. What a cliffhanger.Ice rain or ice lightning

Baseball

05-22-2009, 09:11 AM

Well, his petals finally reappeared, so you know it's gotta do with him losing all of those--kind of like the dye filling up Ikkaku's Bankai.

Also, Harribel is her official name. Anyone want to take bets on the last two? I'd say Barragan's going to stay the same (or Ballagan), whereas Stark will probably end up being Starrk. It's all about the double consonants.

Captain Highwind

05-22-2009, 09:25 AM

Omaeda's scene was awesome. (I'd be running away too, lol)

For a second I thought Hitsuguya was suggesting he could control all the water in her body. o_o But nope, it's gonna be something ado with the weather.

*Pictures a big ice rock falling out of the sky*

GWOtaku

05-22-2009, 10:09 AM

Wow, Hitsugaya might win! We'll soon see of I jinxed it.

Personally, I expect a torrent of ice rain. Death by constant stabbing.

garfield15

05-22-2009, 10:19 AM

"All of heaven is under my command."

As badass a line that was, I can't help but feel like adding "Now watch my uber-haxx."

(Heh, Omaeda thinks Barrigan is more dangerous than Aizen. He wishes.)

Novapocalypse

05-22-2009, 10:31 AM

I think it would be better to end the Toshiro VS Halibel(Harribel?) fight with more of a "If I go down you go down with me" type thing.

thenewme93

05-22-2009, 11:07 AM

I think it would be better to end the Toshiro VS Halibel(Harribel?) fight with more of a "If I go down you go down with me" type thing.

I could go with that..

Baseball

05-22-2009, 11:30 AM

I think it would be better to end the Toshiro VS Halibel(Harribel?) fight with more of a "If I go down you go down with me" type thing.
Well, her dominion over death is sacrifice--that's how I imagine the fight's going to end anyways.

Mr. Obsession

05-22-2009, 11:48 AM

I'll give Kubo this, he still knows how to draw action sequences. So when this gets animated it should look pretty good, unless Pierrot farms it out to one of the C-list studios (which wouldn't surprise me).

As someone who has actually lived in ice-rain country, count me in with those who suspect that's where this is going. Millions of tiny, razor sharp ice-knives raining down is what I'm picturing.

*Pictures a big ice rock falling out of the sky*
OH NOES! Toshiro found the Meteor Materia.

warnerbroman

05-22-2009, 12:39 PM

I think it would be better to end the Toshiro VS Halibel(Harribel?) fight with more of a "If I go down you go down with me" type thing.
or a "down on me"} type thing ;)

I will LOL so hard if the petals run out

Neo Ultra Mike

05-22-2009, 01:30 PM

Originally posted by TyUnlimited
I think it would be better to end the Toshiro VS Halibel(Harribel?) fight with more of a "If I go down you go down with me" type thing.

Yeah no I don't think that should happen. See I think Harribel (weird we get her name changed but still no last name) would be able to counter this ice storm having known the uber extent of Hitsugya's abilities based off his fight with Luppi (I think the Espada had to have heard of the battle that was happening when Orihime was kidnapped. Otherwise how would Dorodini have known Ichigo had a hollow mask in his fight with him?) and ended up taking out Hitsugya and trying to off him before Yamamoto had to fight her and she tried the whole sacrifice angle on him. That'd work better no only since she'd want payment at any cost for Yamamoto for destroying her Fraccion but I still say Hitsuyga dosen't get to have all these pull out of his ass moves to win this fight. Seriously he already had enough of those in other fights. And as other said having a captain LOOSe a fight would sort of prove how deadly the top three Espada are. I mean Aizen did seem confident they could take the captains while he was in the shield right? And he dosen't sem like the type who'd overly gloat like that unless that's just another one of those things Kubo forgot about.

Grenzer

05-22-2009, 09:09 PM

I just want Kubo to move on with this already. If he wants to kill off all of the current Espada in this arc so he can introduce new ones then fine, but don't take two years to do it.

Honestly at this point I like the arrancar a lot more then the Gotei 13 (Kenpachi excluded of course). Aizen may or may not be pure evil, but are these so-called "villains" all that much worse then the so-called "heroes" they are fighting? The shinigami are pretty damn cruel and arrogant in their own way. Seems like grey vs. grey morality to me.

Captain Highwind

05-22-2009, 10:18 PM

OH NOES! Toshiro found the Meteor Materia.

For all the characters standing around in thin air for the past several chapters, one getting smacked by a giant boulder is long overdue.

Halibel: "I can counter every attack you make"

*Gets swatted*

Hitsuguya: "HA! Burn through that, *****!"

It's so beautiful in its simplicity.

warnerbroman

05-27-2009, 08:36 AM

spoilers are out but I don't post them but

apparently his move is Sheer Cold (http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Sheer_Cold_%28move%29)

and we see soi fon perparing her Bankai

Rolling Cloud

05-27-2009, 08:57 AM

To add to what warner posted...

Chapter starts off with Stark and Shunsui fighting.
Shunsui notices something is going on with the sky.
Toshiro prepares his ultimate attack (Ice Heaven Hundred Flower Interment)
Snows falls from the sky and when it hits Halibel she gets covered in ice.
Oomeda cries for help from somebody.
Chapter ends with Soi Fon saying bankai.

http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/8876/11rwxfk.jpg

Found another spoiler pic...
http://i41.tinypic.com/125hoy8.jpg

garfield15

05-27-2009, 09:01 AM

Thank you for finally getting to it Soi Fon.

Toushirou....way to go I guess for pulling out Sheer Cold on the shark? :sweat:

Captain Highwind

05-27-2009, 09:11 AM

Why did Soi Fon tie herself to a pillar?

...Protesting?

GWOtaku

05-27-2009, 09:46 AM

It's about time we got her Bankai.

Faster Kubo, faster.......get this finished and over with.

I'm hoping the spoiler means that Hitsugaya has now won his fight.

Neo Ultra Mike

05-27-2009, 09:54 AM

anime_guru

05-27-2009, 06:57 PM

I'm hoping the spoiler means he hasn't.

Besides the fact he just dosen't DESERVE to win this fight, his big move just ended up freezing her in ice? Oh come on! I know he's the ice guy but really that's just a lame way after that chapter build up. I'm hoping she just breaks out and kicks his ass so she can fight Yamamoto and then get pwned by him. At least that would make sense.

and here I thought you were a fan of yoruichi and halibel getting it on considering she boasts that she has the fastest sonido...or have we forgotten that ...

anyway I have to agree, this would probably turn me off of bleach as a series. Its bad enough that Ichigo has 10 million deus ex machinas but now toshiro, who had absolutely no chance in hades to win, struggled with luppi, and the friggin gillian, is going to take down a top 3 espada!?

Oh...yes I believe it kubo. I totally believe it...

If anything i want the vizards to come...though one good thing that happened this chapter is seeing stark and shunsui fight. That fight never gets old - and that is the fight I want to see...

zoombie

05-29-2009, 07:45 AM

A cool chapter. Though I thought what Toshiro said to Harribel about not being able to avenge her underlings, was crual. I now hope he gets his butt kicked.

ShadowGUN

05-29-2009, 08:07 AM

Hehehe Stark is so lazy he doesn't even do a battle pose to fire his Zero. Next week chapter is gonna be awesome.

Captain Highwind

05-29-2009, 08:41 AM

I think Soi Fon's about to drop a building on Barragan.

warnerbroman

05-29-2009, 10:05 AM

I would not mind getting beat by soi fon

I don't think hitsu will keep fighting his time was halfway through he oly used his "basic" powers

http://fc06.deviantart.com/fs43/f/2009/134/e/5/Barragan_by_Arrgosax.jpg

Novapocalypse

05-29-2009, 11:31 AM

Look's like Kubo's going for the good guys to win this fight. I can't wait to see Soi Fon's Bankai and the rest of Shunsui and Stark's fight.

Although it does lead to to one question... who will Fight Yammi? Ishida is apparently armless still and Ichigo is weakened by his earlier fight.

I'd say this is a great fight for Unohana or God I'd even take a Renji/Chad/Rukia team up if it meant they got some good development.

warnerbroman

05-29-2009, 11:47 AM

Mr. Obsession

05-29-2009, 12:20 PM

I'm trying to figure out what Soi Fon is doing, but it looks like she's anchoring herself. Leads me to believe she can't quite control her own bankai, so this could end up being quite spectacular.

As for Hitsugaya, I'm still waiting to see if Harribel (I don't think I'll ever get use to that) will break free or if she's actually dead. I'll buy that he's had a power all along that he hasn't used because he hasn't been able to fully control it yet. I even liked the little flashback to what he told Kira during his brief fight with Gin. But I still find it a bit hard to swallow that Hitsugaya had a fairly easy time beating the released 3rd Espada when Ichigo, the main character, had so much trouble against the first release of the 4th (presumably slightly less powerful than the 3rd's release). Meh.

Oh well, if it's over it's over and we can move on.

Novapocalypse

05-29-2009, 12:30 PM

you forgot kenpachi, maiyuri and byakuya

They have all had their chance to shine at least once, now it's time for a few others that really need development to have their chance.

Lelouch

05-29-2009, 12:43 PM

So, I have a question regarding Hitsugaya's technique. Did the ice...petals? Rain down just on Halibel, or everywhere? I think it'd be kind of silly if they rained down just on her.

But count me as one of the people who don't think she is done quite yet. Not to mention, I think it would be rather ridiculous if she lost to Hitsugaya.

It's kind of sad that almost all of the Fraccion were killed off, I liked a good portion of them =( I wonder if Lillinette will survive.

warnerbroman

05-29-2009, 12:54 PM

So, I have a question regarding Hitsugaya's technique. Did the ice...petals? Rain down just on Halibel, or everywhere? I think it'd be kind of silly if they rained down just on her.

But count me as one of the people who don't think she is done quite yet. Not to mention, I think it would be rather ridiculous if she lost to Hitsugaya.
.it looked like everybody was out of range and Yama is fire so..

Rud

05-29-2009, 03:32 PM

come on, its like since the moment these arrancar showed up everyone was crapping their pants because of how powerful these Espada were suppose to be, but nope, hey had the power to beat all of the arrancar all along in one on one fights. I will never trust hype in bleach when it happens again.

I cant wait till Aizen busts out the real badasses (come on Wonderwise!).

Lelouch

05-29-2009, 03:46 PM

I am actually pretty sure that the Espada will win, all of them. Why? Because Aizen said that the Espada would be more than enough to handle the Captains. Now, I know that any leader would say that about their followers, but Aizen has yet to be shown wrong, so don't cound the Espada out yet.

I'm actually hoping that the Captains get beat and then at the last minute the Vizard show up. Though, this is probably what most want to happen.

FireStarterLE

05-29-2009, 06:40 PM

Captain Highwind

05-29-2009, 08:35 PM

As for Hitsugaya, I'm still waiting to see if Harribel (I don't think I'll ever get use to that)

Honesty. All they did was give the dub another excuse to throws in hard R sounds. I'm not looking forward to it at all.

RockmanDash

05-29-2009, 08:52 PM

You guys might kill me for this but.. I kind of want Toshiro to win this.

Why? Because even though he is overrated and should be weaker than a Espada, at least he's showing improvement of standing on his own as a captain. It's not like Ichigo and co are the only characters(even though only three of them really improved much.) that get some more strength. And honestly.. I think from the past fights that Hitsugaya had issues with, he was only not using his full strength or he just was not use to the enemy yet. Yeah I know it's a poor excuse but it's all I got to stand up for the guy. Now will Hitsugaya win? Probably not since Aizen has full faith that the Espada will win no matter what, yet Aizen being wrong would be interesting.

Even though he's been trapped for about a year now..makes you wonder if him and Gin are playing cards in there or something.

Or better yet, if the Espada do die and Aizen gets out of the fire.

Aizen: EXACTLY AS PLANNED *DRAMATIC MUSIC*

GWOtaku

05-29-2009, 09:32 PM

RockmanDash

05-29-2009, 09:44 PM

And to add on, it's been a long time since he's fought in a battle in the manga. Honestly I'm starting to think Kubo is simply giving Hitsugaya the battle he needs to be in the spot light again.

Most people who are even claiming "OMGZ HE'S WEAK, HE HAD TROUBLE WITH WEAKER ARRANCARS"

Forget that even simple skill can make a comeback, but with all the spirit pressure we had in this series.. it's simple to forget that sword fighting has skill still. And last I checked.. ain't Hitsugaya a boy genius or something? I'm sure he's thought it through that the Espada are probably even more powerful than him before even thinking about fighting such a opponent, which is why he has a back up.

Grenzer

05-29-2009, 10:33 PM

I agree. I mean, it'd be great for actual techniques and strategy to make a difference every now and again, as opposed to "oh, your power level spiritual pressure isn't high enough? Too bad, you lose."

Shoot, Byakuya narrowly lost to Ichigo and he got to defeat one. I don't see why Hitsugaya shouldn't be allowed.

True, but Zommari gave Byakuya a tough fight and was ranked only 7th, and Harribel is 3rd. She could probably kill Byakuya based on what we know. Do you really believe Hitsugaya is stronger then Byakuya? Because if Hitsugaya does win here, then that's what Kubo is implying.

Of course I don't really know why I'm so bothered by that. There's so much else wrong with the story right now it seems trivial in comparison.

warnerbroman

05-29-2009, 10:37 PM

True, but Zommari gave Byakuya a tough fight and was ranked only 7th, and Harribel is 3rd. She could probably kill Byakuya based on what we know. Do you really believe Hitsugaya is stronger then Byakuya? Because if Hitsugaya does win here, then that's what Kubo is implying.. well Zommari had a hostage other than that byakuya bearly broke a sweat

Neo Ultra Mike

05-29-2009, 10:40 PM

How is he using strategy though? He's just pulling out a "oh I have this technique I can't really master but let me just test it out here and- Oh wait what do you know it winds up killing you when all the petals fall. Guess I rule" Really ever since the whole "ice clone" nonsense Hitsguya is just pulling a lot of these moves out of his ass. That's not strategy or basing things off actual techniques, that's just leeting his zanpakto being super bad because it's a super ice spirit or something. Really to me it comes off as cheap. Maybe if we had some scenes of him actually you know TRAINING since his fight with Luppi I'd buy this come from behind victory. Oh wait, apparently in Bleach time that only happened what like a day or two ago? He got that much training done in a day? Bullcrap. That's just a pull a victory from really nowhere move. I'm getting sick of the heroes doing that. Ichigo is the most guilty of this but Hitsugya's really pushing it as well. I mean yeah it'd be good to see a fight not use the whole "my power is stronger then yours so I win" but this was not one of those fights since if this is Harribel's ending she's ending on a super power move of Hitsugya with no real strategy behind it since he's just pulling this out of nowhere. The only real Strategy fight we've seen against an Espada is more Ruika's (before she just stabbed Aareniro in the face), Aporro (which was actually all strategy and actually bothered using CONTINUITY to make sense of it's change ups more then this fight bothered to do), and... uh... that's pretty much it. Everything else was more a pure power/I'm stronger then you fight or at least win.

Personally what I'd like to see happen is this just being a water clone of Harribel and then her stabbing Hitsugya from behind and then commenting on how one of the rules of battle is actually knoiwing your opponent and she already knew about him from the videos they saw of the fights in Karkura town before the Hueco mundo Arc and then pwn him and then have to fight Yamamoto. I'm starting to doubt that will happen but really that's what SHOULD happen. I don't care what Hitsguya fan says to try defending him but he should not have won this fight if this is the end and this is obviously just Kubo appeasing his fanbase for doing so.

Novapocalypse

05-29-2009, 10:44 PM

Trying to make sense with the power levels in Bleach is like taking Advanced Calculus only 100X harder.

Rud

05-29-2009, 10:49 PM

up until this battle started the way everyone a was acting and what was said about arrancar you were led to believe they dint a snowballs chance against the Espada, that the world was in dire peril, the hype was enormous!!, but no, turns out it was just a bunch of bs that was being spouted all over the place to make us think there was actually some peril around when theres been really nothing to worry about, they (soul society) had the power to take them (Espada) down all along, WITH NO CASUALTIES!!

I remember Hitsugaya saying some bs when he fought that mook of Grimmjow that was something like "If i had to use this much power against a mook like this, were screwed when the really powerful guys come" or something like that, and i believed it, but nope, it turns out he had the power to take downup to the 3rd stongest guy all along with a move he never even tried before (but that he knew was invincible) the whole time. What is that??, i dunno maybe he was just kidding or forgot how strong he was or something:shrug:

I just feel cheated.

warnerbroman

05-29-2009, 10:51 PM

why are people doubting the captains power?

Rud

05-29-2009, 10:54 PM

why are people doubting the captains power?
they were doubting their own power!!, we were just naive enough to believe that nonsense and all the hype this manga had built up (which turns out to be unfounded).

Rocketboy

05-29-2009, 10:55 PM

Really, they only built up their self doubt for the Vasto Lordes, who haven't shown up yet.

Lelouch

05-29-2009, 10:57 PM

Not to mention, it was even stated that the Captains can only reach a certain level and then that's it. With the Espada, their power is extended exponentially when they were transformed from Hollow to Arrancar. Theoretically, the Espada should easily be stronger than the captains, and the only ones who should really be able to take them are the Vizard.

Also, in the beggining of the whole arrancar deal, they made it seem like the Espada were amazing, and now Hitsugaya, who had trouble with Lupi, can take down the #3? That's ridiculous.

garfield15

05-29-2009, 10:58 PM

why are people doubting the captains power?
Mainly because the captains continuously during (and after) the Conquista arc that they wouldn't stand a chance against the Espada. Kubo hyped it up so much in the beginning that of course we doubted their power. That's why we figured there would be some training involved or something.

Rud

05-29-2009, 11:00 PM

The Espada have not lived up to the hype the manga has been spouting about them, at all. Aizen, despite being a mastermind, must have been the most misinformed captain ever in soul society cause he actually though itd just take 3 espada to beat all the captains and vice captains at this battle, of course i believed him, clearly he dint know who he was facing even after having lived there for hundreds of years......

warnerbroman

05-29-2009, 11:04 PM

Mainly because the captains continuously during (and after) the Conquista arc that they wouldn't stand a chance against the Espada. Kubo hyped it up so much in the beginning that of course we doubted their power. That's why we figured there would be some training involved or something.maybe they did offscreen or ..umm panel

I just wonder about the commander he could beat V-Ls

garfield15

05-29-2009, 11:11 PM

Biggest cop-out Kubo could do?

Pull a "Reborn!" on the Espada. After they beat them all and are half-dead from the experience...

"BWAHAHA! Fools, I've already created 10 more Arrancar of Vasto Lorde class! Let me introduce you to the real Espada!" (10 bishounen/bishoujo arrancar step out) Now, we shall hide for the Summer War and then you'll be sorry!"

(I should note that when "Reborn!" did this, it was much better handled)

Lelouch

05-29-2009, 11:11 PM

Hmmm, to be honest, if the VL are introduced, I really wouldn't be surprised if SS had their own version. I guess they'd be generals? Or like the King's court?

Rud

05-29-2009, 11:17 PM

Meh, the Espada dint live up to the hype, what makes any of you think the Vasto Lorde will?, they will probably show up, Soul Society with crap their pants and act like the odds they will survive are slim or say how doomped they "probably" are, and then the captains will remember "oh wait, how about that one move i have that i never used before, i bet that can beat them" and defeat them withought loosing a single guy.

Itls be just like the situation with the Espada.

Novapocalypse

05-29-2009, 11:18 PM

garfield15

05-29-2009, 11:21 PM

Wouldn't the Winter War have to happen first?
Well, the joke is that this the new thing after the Winter War.

I'm not too good at this "humor" thing.

Novapocalypse

05-29-2009, 11:22 PM

I wonder if we'll get a Hell arc before the end of Bleach.

garfield15

05-29-2009, 11:26 PM

I wonder if we'll get a Hell arc before the end of Bleach.Does he even remember that Hell is in his story? :p

CartoonOverlord

05-29-2009, 11:35 PM

Does he even remember that Hell is in his story? :pMost likely not. :p I still have a feeling that Aizen won't be the final villain, the King may turn out to be that instead.

Grenzer

05-29-2009, 11:47 PM

Why we are on the subject, has anyone noticed that none of Aizen's minions were claimed by Hell after being killed? That means at heart, none of these guys were particularly evil. Oh sure, Kubo may have forgotten all about Hell in his manga, but I'm holding him to this point. The arrancar apparently are not all that evil (a few notable exceptions aside), and the Soul Reapers are not as good and pure as the current arc assumes.

I guess my point is, no one wants moral ambiguity in their shonen manga, especially when it's caused by lazy writing.

CartoonOverlord

05-30-2009, 12:12 AM

I guess my point is, no one wants moral ambiguity in their shonen manga, especially when it's caused by lazy writing.Actually I always liked the idea of Soul Society being corrupt. Heck, when I first heard about the Soul Society arc I was confused over that these characters were supposed to be the "good guys" when you had the likes of Mayuri using people as meat bombs and Byakuya and Yamamato being extremely authoritarian and merciless. Soul Society really never was put into a positive light, its always had this underlying, sinister feeling to it.

Rud

05-30-2009, 12:36 AM

Why we are on the subject, has anyone noticed that none of Aizen's minions were claimed by Hell after being killed?
their Hollows (arrancar or not), Shinigami dont kill them, they purify them of all the sins they commited while hollows so they can go to soul society, souls only go to hell if they were bad in life.

and even if they were bad in life, most arrancar aren't just one soul, most thye ones weve seen are menos, meaning they are a mass of souls (hollows consuming other hollows). The whole mass of souls that make them up wouldnt all go to hell, its unlikely all of the souls that make them up were bad in life.

Novapocalypse

05-30-2009, 12:46 AM

Hey guys did we ever see the back of Ishin's Captain jacket? If not what if he is the leader of Squad 0. The only thing that makes me think this is that every time Ichigo told his name in the Soul Society arc it didn't seem to shock anyone or anything like that. And it would make sense for no one to have seen the Squad 0 captain. Not to mention he and Kisuke are apparently old friends and Ishin wasn't in the Turn Back the Pendulum Arc.

Grenzer

05-30-2009, 01:25 AM

their Hollows (arrancar or not), Shinigami dont kill them, they purify them of all the sins they commited while hollows so they can go to soul society, souls only go to hell if they were bad in life.

and even if they were bad in life, most arrancar aren't just one soul, most thye ones weve seen are menos, meaning they are a mass of souls (hollows consuming other hollows). The whole mass of souls that make them up wouldnt all go to hell, its unlikely all of the souls that make them up were bad in life.

I'm going to play Devil's Advocate here. For all the talk Rukia made in the first chapters of the series about how Soul Reapers save the Hollows by purifying them, have we ever been yet introduced to one of those souls? You would think during the whole time that Ichigo was in Soul Society, that would have met a soul that was formally a Hollow, but he didn't. Funny how Chad ran into that kid he saved at the beginning of the series while he was in Soul Society, but Orihime never ran into Sora. Maybe it's just Kubo being lazy again, or maybe there really is something more sinister going on there.

As for the arrancar, you are right about how they are composite beings. But at least as how I understood it, one soul dominates over all the others, and forms that arrancar's personality. That is to say, Ulquiorra's personality was based off of one individual who managed to absorb and subdue the energies of thousands of others.

And besides all that, even if the souls are all sent to Soul Society after being defeated, I still consider that a pretty harsh punishment. Those poor fools have no idea what's waiting for them...

(Scene: Some random slum in Rukon District)

Zommari: Wow, I managed to just scavenge enough garbage together to make myself dinner! That's the second time this month! I'm doing really well lately.

(Byakuya randomly walks by.)

Zommari: Yo! I know that guy! He killed me once!

Random Bum: No way.

Zommari: Way! Let me show you. Hey! Byakuya!

Byakuya: Do I know you?

Zommari: Yeah, I was the 7th Espada, Zommari LeRoux. I really had lost my way, fell in with a bad crowd, and then you saved me man. Thanks!

Byakuya: Peasants should really learn to just sit in their hovels and wait until they die. They are so boorish and inconsiderate to us nobles. How ungrateful.

Zommari: But I am dead... in fact this is the second time. And I'm homeless too! For that matter, why the heck do you even have us in this weird feudal Japanese purgatory anyway? I thought I was going to heaven! You know what? Now that I think about it, Aizen-sama was right! You people are full of crap!

Byakuya: Peasants should know their place in society... scatter, Senbonzakura.

Zommari: :eek: Crap! I gotta die again? Bullcrap. Well, at least I might go to some better place this time... like Vegas.

Rud

05-30-2009, 11:11 AM

As for the arrancar, you are right about how they are composite beings. But at least as how I understood it, one soul dominates over all the others, and forms that arrancar's personality.

Thats true for a minority, but most menos are mindless composite beings (gillians), but in a few the original soul that ate the others is dominant and if it continues eating it can go on to evolve to the other two levels, but if they stoped consuming hollows they wouldnt be able to remain dominant and would rrevert back to mindless Gillian, forever.

Luna

05-31-2009, 12:06 AM

Novapocalypse

05-31-2009, 12:45 AM

As far as Ichigo's dad goes,there's also the possibility that "Kurosaki" is an assumed name,rather than his real name :sweat:...just saying...

Well having some super shinigami's blood in him would at least somewhat explain how Ichigo is able to do all of these 2 second super power ups.

RockmanDash

05-31-2009, 02:00 AM

Well having some super shinigami's blood in him would at least somewhat explain how Ichigo is able to do all of these 2 second super power ups.

Ichigo only has that because he has the blood of a main character who can't die or else the story ends. :p

You can stab him, make him bleed to death, and even put a hole through him, but somehow he will pull a power up out of his butt and save the day.

Honestly I think the only guy who really saved Ichigo from death was Grimmjow(and Kenpachi.), unless Ichigo was going to go mad hollow eventually back then.

Novapocalypse

05-31-2009, 11:21 AM

RockmanDash

05-31-2009, 01:39 PM

I don't think he would've gone insane Hollow against Kenpachi. Since remember, Kenpachi owned him and then he had a discussion with Old Man Zangestu and fought Hollow Ichigo for the first time. I take it the Hollow didn't fully take control on Zangestu until he learned Bankai.

Wow this has been a long time ago.

Whoops I should of made that more clear. I meant to say that he might of went insane after having a hole burst through him from Ulqi in their first fight. And if it was not for Grimmjow deciding to save him, he might of went insane hollow.

zoombie

06-01-2009, 04:04 PM

Just a reminder, Volume 27 comes out tommorow in the english speaking countries. I collect the manga, so I will buy it. After all that is supporting the franchise.

warnerbroman

06-01-2009, 05:23 PM

I think toshiro is suppose to be the next Yama

Novapocalypse

06-01-2009, 09:43 PM

I think toshiro is suppose to be the next Yama

Yes only polar opposite.

Mr. Obsession

06-02-2009, 12:29 PM

Ch. 360 Spoilers:

- Ukitake steals Lilinette’s sword and plays keep away with it.
- Omeada continues to play decoy.
- Soi Fon dialogs about why she doesn’t like her bankai.
- Soi Fon’s bankai is a giant bee-stinger wave motion gun.

warnerbroman

06-02-2009, 12:35 PM

I don't know what that is but I guess she needed a brace

garfield15

06-02-2009, 12:36 PM

Ch. 360 Spoilers:

- Soi Fon’s bankai is a giant bee-stinger wave motion gun.
....

Oh S---

Mr. Obsession

06-02-2009, 12:52 PM

I don't know what that is but I guess she needed a brace

"Wave Motion Gun" is another way of saying "Huge-Ass Energy Cannon." :p

Paul_Cousins

06-02-2009, 01:15 PM

warnerbroman

06-02-2009, 03:10 PM

unless it's Naruto she can't be a ninja like that

Mr. Obsession

06-02-2009, 03:30 PM

Which is actually the reason why she doesn't like her bankai.

Mett

06-02-2009, 08:53 PM

A long range bankai sounds good against this espada.

anime_guru

06-03-2009, 09:00 AM

sounds like kubo is setting up for each of the top 3 espada's second release states hopefully...it would actually be pretty smart. But the idea of soi fon's bankai is a bit hopeless and ho hum:yawn:

Captain Highwind

06-03-2009, 09:12 AM

lmfao, so

Soi Fon goes Gears of War,

and I don't know what to say about Ukitake except comment on the hilarity of it

Paul_Cousins

06-03-2009, 02:48 PM

sounds like kubo is setting up for each of the top 3 espada's second release states hopefully...it would actually be pretty smart. But the idea of soi fon's bankai is a bit hopeless and ho hum:yawn:I hope they have second releases.

anime_guru

06-03-2009, 05:54 PM

I hope they have second releases.

me too or this would probably be the worst amount of wasted potential ever...segundo septa ftw ffs
I mean it can't just be ulquiorra...no more fanboy pandering tite...

Neo Ultra Mike

06-04-2009, 01:18 AM

Well I'm not saying all of them should but I think the Top 3 should. I mean really I'd like there to be a twist of Ulqourra thinking that he was the only one with a second form when the others did proving despite how much he blaterhed on abouth is all seeing eye he didn't really know everything. Besides it'd give them more a threat then they have now. Really, since Bleach 120 aired it's English Dub just now they built up just how threathening the Espada are and uh... what exactly do we have to show for it in the manga? 6 of them are defeated or dead (7 if Harribel is down for the count which I really don't want to be true) and the remaining ones look like they'll fall at the hands of they're opponent (well not Yammy but I'm hoping Unohana takes care of him). So yeah really we need to give these guys more of a level of menance somehow so why not second transformation? I don't think Ulqourria should be special being the only one who has one especially since he's only the 4th.

Paul_Cousins

06-04-2009, 09:02 AM

Actually, I'm hoping they don't. This is sort of like how Byakuya had so many forms for his bankai, and everyone assumed that the rest of the shinigami's had a 2nd form for their bankai's. (We still don't know at this point, but still.)Except for Kenpachi, all Soul Reaper captains have achievement bankai. So it would make sense that the most powerful ranking Espada would have the equalvent of bankai, which is a second release of their powers.

FlyByNite77

06-05-2009, 08:49 AM

The Ukitake/Lilinette fight is gold I tellz ya. :p

and wow I think Soi Fon might be able to join Celestial Being with that attack.

ShadowGUN

06-05-2009, 08:50 AM

Soi Fon's Bankai looks weird. I guess I have see it animated to get a better understanding of it design.

warnerbroman

06-05-2009, 09:04 AM

today on Bleach: SHOOP DA WHOOP

Captain Highwind

06-05-2009, 09:29 AM

Ah...she's got a tank lancer

A lot of Captains sure are ashamed of their bankais...maybe they should trade?

anime_guru

06-05-2009, 10:00 AM

the first two pages looked exactly the same even measured the same as far as length of panels
but it was funny but soi fon's bankai was...unique

garfield15

06-05-2009, 10:01 AM

The Ukitake/Lilinette fight is gold I tellz ya. :p

It's gotten to the point where I think he should just adopt her already

and wow I think Soi Fon might be able to join Celestial Being with that attack.
Soi Fon: GN Bankai Bazooka now annihilating targets
Tieria:...........

Mr. Obsession

06-05-2009, 12:25 PM

The spoilers had it wrong. Soi Fon's bankai isn't an energy weapon, it's a EFn nuclear ICBM! :eek:

So, is it a one-shot wonder or does it come with reloads?

warnerbroman

06-05-2009, 12:34 PM

Place your bets!!!

will he survive for two more chapters (barring any scene change)

Paul_Cousins

06-05-2009, 12:57 PM

Place your bets!!!

will he survive for two more chapters (barring any scene change)Given the chapter end with Soi Fon firing her angel arm... err... bankia, it probably either missed Barragan, or is a glacing blow.

She doesn't like her bankai, show she probably hasn't target practices with it to improve her aim.

I would not be surprised, in response, Barragan will show his second hollow release, which is a range form and is more human looking. The form goes to a possible theory to Barragan origins. And he then shows Soi Fon how to really use range weapons.

Barragan axe in his released hollow form does kinda take the shape of a bow and arrow combined. ;)

warnerbroman

06-05-2009, 01:23 PM

I thought it was hitsugaya's bankai the people want to fail

Paul_Cousins

06-05-2009, 02:00 PM

I thought it was hitsugaya's bankai the people want to failThat too, but we are talking about Soi Fon's bankai right now.

Rud

06-05-2009, 03:52 PM

I want every captain whose fighting one of the top three to fail!!!!

warnerbroman

06-05-2009, 05:07 PM

I want every captain whose fighting one of the top three to fail!!!!

I want Toushiro and Soifon to fail. Ukitake can also die now too.

Oh yeah, Omaeda and Momo need to kick the bucket too.geez am I the only one to root for the good team?

zoombie

06-05-2009, 06:20 PM

geez am I the only one to root for the good team?

I am still rooting for the side of good. But I wish the good guys would act less like jerks.

But I get it, I don't hate the Arrancars, they are just pawns in Aizen's plan. I would hope if the Shinigami captains were fighting Aizen, Gin, and Tozen, than people will root for the Shinigami.

Rud

06-05-2009, 07:31 PM

Its not that i don't like the good guys, its just that these Arrancar are supposed to be unbeatable, they were made out to be so scary by these same captains that are now wiping the floor with the supposed "strongest" of them, i still remember Toushiro talking about how if he had to unleash his full power against the mook he was fighting theyl be in deed trouble when the REAL big boys come, and when they do its "well you know what, i had the power to beat these guys all along", IT WAS ALL A LIE!!, DAM YOU KUBO!!!

Hell, by the end of the Soul Society arc we were led to believe Ichigo was around the captains level, he beat Byakuya (mister elite warrior guy) and Kempachi. So when he got his but kicked by Yami and Grimmjaw in succession withought them even releasing their swords its no wonder lots thought the captains wouldn't fair much better. Hell, Ichigo had to take it up a whole other level (mask) just to stand a chance against their unreleased forms. And now the captains show up and kick the big arrancars buts with their powers allegedly being the same as back in soul society (when Ichigo was around their levels, if he couldn't beat them, how can they?), it doesn't make any sense!?

also, it doesn't help that all the cool good guys (save for Ikkaku and Yamachika) are stuck in Hueco Mundo, i don't particularly like any of these guys were seeing:sweat:.

anime_guru

06-05-2009, 08:08 PM

I want Toushiro and Soifon to fail. Ukitake can also die now too.

Oh yeah, Omaeda and Momo need to kick the bucket too.

die for wanting ukitake to die
but seriously ukitake is one of the strongest 3 captains in soul society. Plus considering stark and shunsui aren't fighting anywhere near their full potential either, I mean what gives

I mean its funny that ukitake isn't fighting his full, but neither is shunsui or stark...and I can't wait to see shunsui fight at full. Personally I don't think tite kubo has anything to write on shunsui v stark which is quite a shame considering that is the fight I and many other fans of bleach want to see =)

Lelouch

06-05-2009, 11:37 PM

geez am I the only one to root for the good team?

Hmmm. I feel this is a hard question to answer, because sometimes (actually, most of the time) I really question whether or not SS is actually good.

Lelouch

06-05-2009, 11:48 PM

Hmmm. I actually think Lillinette will survive. Not only because she is a kid, but if TK was going to kill her off I think she would be fighting someone different.

I also think there is a chance that Stark will survive, unless Aizen decides to kill him for not fighting to his fullest.

Barragan will definately die, no doubts there...though I doubt it will be by SoiFon.

As for Hallibel...it's hard to say, things could go either way with her character. Though, I'd say there is a more likely chance that she will die (or maybe just lose and...go away?) because Nel is going to survive.

Grenzer

06-06-2009, 12:14 AM

Of course Ukitake may just be playing around with Lilinette because he hates needless cruelty. He's one of the few Soul Reapers who has shown himself to be truly honorable and pure-hearted, so the idea of killing a little girl (even if she is an arrancar) would be abhorrent to him.

Shunsui seems to understand that Stark is not all that bad as well, but I think the course of the story would dictate that Stark has to die before this is all over, if not by Shunsui own hand then by Aizen or Tousen after he loses. You know, to drive home that Aizen really is a horrible person.

Mett

06-06-2009, 09:28 AM

I'd rather see a second release and them unable to beat the Espada and then the Vaizard show up and do it.

Beat

06-06-2009, 09:32 AM

I want SoiFon's reflex cannon to fail. Mostly because it will establish the scene, and also so I can note that Skeletor > Soifon, now and forever.

Baseball

06-06-2009, 10:40 AM

Its not that i don't like the good guys, its just that these Arrancar are supposed to be unbeatable, they were made out to be so scary by these same captains that are now wiping the floor with the supposed "strongest" of them, i still remember Toushiro talking about how if he had to unleash his full power against the mook he was fighting theyl be in deed trouble when the REAL big boys come, and when they do its "well you know what, i had the power to beat these guys all along", IT WAS ALL A LIE!!, DAM YOU KUBO!!!

Hell, by the end of the Soul Society arc we were led to believe Ichigo was around the captains level, he beat Byakuya (mister elite warrior guy) and Kempachi. So when he got his but kicked by Yami and Grimmjaw in succession withought them even releasing their swords its no wonder lots thought the captains wouldn't fair much better. Hell, Ichigo had to take it up a whole other level (mask) just to stand a chance against their unreleased forms. And now the captains show up and kick the big arrancars buts with their powers allegedly being the same as back in soul society (when Ichigo was around their levels, if he couldn't beat them, how can they?), it doesn't make any sense!?
Byakuya and Kenpachi are strong, but they're far from being the strongest captains in Soul Society. Kenpachi fights with one hand and can't even release his sword. Also note that Ichigo nearly got killed fighting both of them, and the only reason he won against Byakuya is because the Hollow in him came out. Ichigo was never exactly captain level in Soul Society--that would have been too unfair a powerup. I mean, a kid with about a month's worth of sword training taking down people who've done this their entire lives?

garfield15

06-06-2009, 10:56 AM

Byakuya and Kenpachi are strong, but they're far from being the strongest captains in Soul Society. Kenpachi fights with one hand and can't even release his sword.
I don't see how this is saying that Kenpachi isn't one of the strongest captains

Ichigo was never exactly captain level in Soul Society--that would have been too unfair a powerup. I mean, a kid with about a month's worth of sword training taking down people who've done this their entire lives?
Welcome to Bleach. The same manga that had the author pull an asspull by making Ichigo Hollow-Jesus a few chapters ago against the 4th Espada.

Mr. Obsession

06-06-2009, 12:50 PM

Barragan should have pulled out a scythe, not a battle axe for his new weapon. :p

Are Barragan and Harribel done now? Honestly I can see it going either way, though I want them to pop out unharmed just so everything that's been built up about the high-tier Espada hasn't been one massive asspull.

Will they have second releases? Going by Ulquiorra's change, Barragan maybe, since his design has plenty of room for flexible change while staying within the general design theme. But what kind of change can Harrible do? Lose what left of her already negligible clothing? And I'm not going to even guess about Stark since we haven't even seen his release yet. But I must say, honestly I would rather the top three not have second releases and keep that Ulquiorra specific. Let the top three kick captain ass with only one release form!

Byakuya and Kenpachi are strong, but they're far from being the strongest captains in Soul Society. Kenpachi fights with one hand and can't even release his sword. Also note that Ichigo nearly got killed fighting both of them, and the only reason he won against Byakuya is because the Hollow in him came out. Ichigo was never exactly captain level in Soul Society--that would have been too unfair a powerup. I mean, a kid with about a month's worth of sword training taking down people who've done this their entire lives?
But when someone like Ukitake says your reatsu is captain level I tend to believe it. :p

I don't know if it's still in effect or Kubo's dropped it as a plot device by now, but at the time the first point of Ichigo's original training with Urahara was that surviving an attack that should kill you drastically increases your reatsu. When Ukitake stated that about Ichigo he had just barely survived his fight with Kenpachi. If Ichigo wasn't at captain level reatsu before that point he defiantly was after.

Captain Highwind

06-06-2009, 01:01 PM

Barragan should have pulled out a scythe, not a battle axe for his new weapon. :p

Axe is fine...he seems like a Castlevania kinda guy.

Baseball

06-06-2009, 05:00 PM

I don't see how this is saying that Kenpachi isn't one of the strongest captains
Physically, yes. He's a genius at fighting--his battles prove that time and time again. But in terms of technique, he's outclassed. If he made the effort to fight correctly and gained even just a shikai, he'd definitely be one of the strongest captains period.

Welcome to Bleach. The same manga that had the author pull an asspull by making Ichigo Hollow-Jesus a few chapters ago against the 4th Espada.
He did the same thing against Byakuya too.

I don't know if it's still in effect or Kubo's dropped it as a plot device by now, but at the time the first point of Ichigo's original training with Urahara was that surviving an attack that should kill you drastically increases your reatsu. When Ukitake stated that about Ichigo he had just barely survived his fight with Kenpachi. If Ichigo wasn't at captain level reatsu before that point he defiantly was after.
I completely forgot about this. Finally, the battles in Bleach make some sense. This is how Ichigo managed to go toe to toe with Ulquiorra a second time after being nearly killed by him hours before.

Ichigo's spiritual pressure is captain class, but that doesn't mean the same goes for his skill. Comparatively speaking, he doesn't have as much battle experience (and training) as captains do.

Neo Ultra Mike

06-06-2009, 07:43 PM

Well actually according to the Captain's Battle Data (a rate that lists how much each has of offensive power, defensive power, agility, kido, intellegence, and physical strength this is how they match up in order of strongest to weakest. (Not counting Aizen, Gin and Tosen).

1. 1st Captain Yamamoto: 560.
2. 4th Captain Unohana: 540.
3. 8th Captain Shunsui: 530.
4. 6th Captain Byakuya: 510.
5. 10th Captain Hitsuguya: 500.
6. 13th Captain Ukitake: 490.
7. 7th Captain Komamura: 470
8. 2nd Captain Soi Fon: 460.
9. 12th Captain Mayuri: 430
10. 11th Captain Kenpachi: 390

Of course this ranks them as overall. The reason why Kenpachi is so low on this scale is due to how he has no Kido or the ability to do flash steps (at least seen anyway). Unlike the Espada it's harder to match the captains by overall strength on just who can beat who (besides Yamamoto being able to beat everyone) since everyone has they're own speciality. Speed, strength, endurance, itnellegence, elemental energy, etc. Which in truth makes it hard to gauge the specifics of this list. Since it'd depend on the situation. Though in honest truth I don't know if even Kubo would be the best to gauge who could beat who considering how he can just make the characters powers levels change at random to make the story fit (That's the only BS that could be given if Hitsuguya managed to beat Harribel. I really don't want to see this happen though so hopefully we'll find out a different outcome of that battle in upcoming chapters).

Mett

06-06-2009, 11:35 PM

For the next anime filler arc they should have a who can beat who and have like a shinigami tournament showing the captains fighting off against each other :p

Paul_Cousins

06-07-2009, 08:58 PM

Rud

06-07-2009, 09:02 PM

^^seeing as how everyone is so sure god lives there, and that they do in fact have a key, which proves its not a bunch of superstitious nonsense, that probably isnt true.

silvanoir

06-07-2009, 09:48 PM

Something accorded to me about the Bleach series. Aizen is going to a lot of hard work to open the Gate to Heaven.

Though, genius that he is, Aizen may end of the ultimate idiot of the entire series because he failed to asked himself one important question.

What if the Gate to Heaven was sealed not to keep people out, but too keep "something" in?

Aizen, in his moment of triumph, opens the Gate to Heaven and unwittingly releases the cosmic horror(s) that were sealed on the other side.

Aizen may then go completely insane over the irony of it all. :evil:

You know what I want to happen so, SO badly? That when Aizen finally opens the gate of heaven he finds.... Kubo in the real world sitting at his desk drawing the manga. Because let's face it, who ELSE would be the god of the Bleach world?

Aizen's final fight would be aganist the eraser at the end of a pencil ;)

RockmanDash

06-07-2009, 10:23 PM

You know what I want to happen so, SO badly? That when Aizen finally opens the gate of heaven he finds.... Kubo in the real world sitting at his desk drawing the manga. Because let's face it, who ELSE would be the god of the Bleach world?

Aizen's final fight would be aganist the eraser at the end of a pencil ;)

Better yet, what if nothing was there at all? =p

Aizen: So.. I formed the Espada.. got the key.. finally CAME HERE... and.. there is nothing!?

Ichigo: Kubo must of forgot something was post to be here >_>.

Captain Highwind

06-08-2009, 09:32 AM

For the next anime filler arc they should have a who can beat who and have like a shinigami tournament showing the captains fighting off against each other :p

But it must be fought in a game of soccer...

Grave

06-10-2009, 06:24 AM

http://i39.tinypic.com/308xye9.jpg

There are some translations for the spoiler (mentions something about Lillinete and fusion...), but the pic is too epic to even bother with the spoiler itself...

ShadowGUN

06-10-2009, 08:09 AM

Is that supposed to be Stark :eek:? Awesome. The whole fusion thing was really unexpected.

Grave

06-10-2009, 08:35 AM

Yessir, that's Stark (and Lily).

俺たちは二人で一人、虚から進化する時に他の破面が肉体と刀に分けた虚の力を俺たちは二つの体に分けた。
We are two as one. When hollows evolve into arrancars, other arrancars separate into their body and a sword. But our Hollow powers are separated into two bodies.

俺たちが一つに帰るとき、俺たちの力も解放される。
When we become one, both our powers are released.

と説明し、リリネットの頭をなでて一つになると同時に帰刃。
After he explained, he pats Lilinette's head and they both released at the same time.

「蹴散らせ　群狼（ロス・ボロス）」
"Kick about, Los Boros (Wolf Pack)"

享楽も始解する。
Kyouraku Shikais

The person only quoted Stark's lines.

anime_guru

06-10-2009, 09:10 AM

...well I'll eat my hat...
kubo does know how to write for stark and shunsui. Now does this mean that we may
get tag team from shunsui and ukitake...and while shunsui has released his shikai, I'm waiting for a bankai and finally the best match of this arc imho.
but considering that is his first release, its almost possible that stark may have a second release seeing he split his power with lilinette...
this also goes to show stark is a lazy bum LMAO! He could've done this from the beginning and he didn't...
poor lilinette if ukitake actually defeated her with ease, would stark even have his full power? Or was he assuming the enemy would've made that mistake?
I think I am thinking too hard on bleach...
thinking a bit more, maybe stark had no choice. I wonder if barrigan may have been hurt...

warnerbroman

06-10-2009, 09:32 AM

well cowboy eskimo....

I laugh if the mario brothers fused too

Captain Highwind

06-10-2009, 09:35 AM

Did Stark just transform into a Pop Star?

youtube.com/watch?v=3rrCBFOcBGk

Paul_Cousins

06-10-2009, 11:38 AM

Yessir, that's Stark (and Lily).

The person only quoted Stark's lines.Cool. It nice to see a fusion and an interesting one at that.

Of course this goes to the theory some at tvtropes have at wild mass guessing section that Kenpachi is really Yachiru's Zanpakuto's released form.

Just kidding. :p

Mr. Obsession

06-10-2009, 12:07 PM

So essentially Lilynette IS Stark's zanpakuto. Nice to see Kubo still knows how to write a good twist, I was starting to fear all he knew these days were asspulls. :p

And Stark has guns in his release form? That is so freaking awesome!

Of course this goes to the theory some at tvtropes have at wild mass guessing section that Kenpachi is really Yachiru's Zanpakuto's released form.

Just kidding. :p
Actually
doesn't it make the theory that Yachiru is Kenny's zanpakuto's spirit far, far more likely to be true?
:p

warnerbroman

06-10-2009, 12:12 PM

Stark

'Lilynette

DNA Digivolve tooooo

STARK bLaster mode!!!

Grave

06-12-2009, 06:07 AM

Hehe... Just read the full spoiler and something caught my eye.

ソイフォンの卍解はなんかロケットランチャーでした。
Soi Fong's Bankai was somewhat like a rocket launcher.
爆発の衝撃でビルに吹き飛ぶ大前田、ソイフォンも銀条反が破れ、吹っ飛ぶが大前田が受け止める。
Omaeda was blown off the building by the explosion's crash. Soi Fong's silver cloth was torn, Omaeda got caught in the explosion.
大前田「隊長やりましたよ・・・！！」ソイフォン「・・・放せ・・・気色悪い・・・」
Omaeda "Captain, you did it....!", Soi Fong "... Get away from me, it's disgusting.."

361,Hate Loneliness, But it loves me

スタークがソイフォンの戦闘をみて卍解は皆あんな強いのかをきき、さらに非番谷と享楽だとどっちが強いかを問う。
Stark saw Soi Fong's battle and asked, "Everyone's bankai sure is sort of powerful, aren't they?". He also asked, "I also wonder which one of you and Hitsugaya is stronger..."
享楽は、彼は天才だからあと百年もしたら追い抜かれちゃうと思う、と。
Kyouraku "Because he's a genius, If he had lived a century more, I think he would surpass me."
スターク、じゃあ今はアンタのほうが強いってことだといい、卍解が観てみたくなりやる気になったらしい。
Stark "Well, if that's the case, I'd be right if I said that right now, you're stronger than he is. Seeing your bankai has been on my mind for some time now."
享楽は羽織を浮竹にあずける。
Kyouraku left his haori with Ukitake.
スターク、リリネットを呼ぶと享楽がどうしてその子を？と問う。
Stark called Lilinette, Kyouraku asked, "Why that kid?"
すると説明開始。
From there starts the explanation.
俺たちは二人で一人、虚から進化する時に他の破面が肉体と刀に分けた虚の力を俺たちは二つの体に分けた。
By being two, we are one. The time we evolved from being Hollow, we separated into body and blade. Our Hollow power is separated into two bodies.
俺たちが一つに帰るとき、俺たちの力も解放される。と説明し、リリネットの頭をなでて一つになると同時に帰刃。
When we return back to being one, our power is released. [He] pats Lilinette's head, And simultaneously, they do the Resurrecion.
「蹴散らせ　群狼（ロス・ボロス）」
"Kick about, Wolf Pack (Los Lobos)"
享楽も始解する。
Kyouraku also starts to understand.
帰刃したスタークの姿で次週。
Stark's Resureccion will be next week.
二丁の少し銃身の長い銃を持ってる。左目にはスコープというかスカウターみたいなのつけてる。
Carrying two weapons, a small gun barrel and a long gun barrel, the left eye seems to have a scope, and the right eye has something which looks like a scouter.

Err... So does this mean that our little child prodigy is stronger than everyone else except Ukitake, Yama-ji and Unohana?
___________
Edit:

So Stark is like everyone of us. He wants to see their bankai's.

I really don't care for Soifon's bankai.. >_> Is it suppose to be a huge missle or her stinger?

Captain Highwind

06-12-2009, 06:29 AM

So why is Soi Fon complaining that she has a surface-to-air missile? That's pretty stealthy...

ShadowGUN

06-12-2009, 08:10 AM

So why is Soi Fon complaining that she has a surface-to-air missile? That's pretty stealthy...

From the looks of it, her Bankai can only be use once. Not to mention the recoil from firing it as well the explosion it causes leaves her very vulnerable to an attack.

Gotta say Stark's Resurrecion is bad ass looking. Also I beleive he first character in Bleach to use guns as his weapons.

Paul_Cousins

06-12-2009, 11:18 AM

From the looks of it, her Bankai can only be use once. Not to mention the recoil from firing it as well the explosion it causes leaves her very vulnerable to an attack.

Gotta say Stark's Resurrecion is bad ass looking. Also I beleive he first character in Bleach to use guns as his weapons.As the old saying goes. "Never bring a knife to a gun fight."

Good chapter. And there is still room enough for Barragan and Harribel to have survived.

Funkatron

06-12-2009, 11:31 AM

From the looks of it, her Bankai can only be use once. Not to mention the recoil from firing it as well the explosion it causes leaves her very vulnerable to an attack.

Gotta say Stark's Resurrecion is bad ass looking. Also I beleive he first character in Bleach to use guns as his weapons.
In the manga, yes. In the Bount Filler arc, one character used a kido musket/rifle

Mr. Obsession

06-12-2009, 12:01 PM

When you cut away before the smoke clears, and you devote an entire panel to focusing on the ice pillar, yeah, there's no way I believe Barragan and Harribel are done.

I loved the way the panel focused on Ukitake when Stark said he wanted to see "bankais." Released Stark vs. Two Bankai? Do it Kubo!

Hehe... Just read the full spoiler and something caught my eye.

Err... So does this mean that our little child prodigy is stronger than everyone else except Ukitake, Yama-ji and Unohana?
I think it means that when Hitsugaya has about a 100 more years of experience his potential will be fully realized and he will be up there with the current high-tier captains. But for now his inexperience holds him back.

warnerbroman

06-12-2009, 12:58 PM

Beat

06-14-2009, 10:16 PM

All it's showing is that Kubo wants to make Bleach as much a polar opposite of Zombie Powder as humanely possible.

Rud

06-14-2009, 11:20 PM

All it's showing is that Kubo wants to make Bleach as much a polar opposite of Zombie Powder as humanely possible.
whats Zombie Powder like anyway?

EDIT:never mind, just read it, its crazy short and clearly cancled early on, but stll, 100x times greater than Bleach.

Scirel

06-15-2009, 04:00 PM

Put me in the "Yachiru is Kenny's Zanpakto spirit" camp now.

It makes a lot of sense as to how they met, and would be an interesting development later on.

Paul_Cousins

06-15-2009, 05:01 PM

Put me in the "Yachiru is Kenny's Zanpakto spirit" camp now.

It makes a lot of sense as to how they met, and would be an interesting development later on.I agree.

What if we all have it reversed on the Kenpachi theory.

Let's look at Kenpachi's personality. He is a man who refuse help from anyone, including his own Zanpakto.

He even wearing a energy sucking eyepatch so fights will be challenging to him.

It come downs to the fact that Kenpachi refuses help from anyone.

So the spirit of Kenpachi's Zanpakto takes the form of something that Kenpachi could not refuse to help, nor refuse to accept help from.

A little girl, Yachiru.

And Bankai turns Yachiru into her adult form.

Scirel

06-15-2009, 05:11 PM

And Bankai turns Yachiru into her adult form.

Since this is Kubo, that is officially 100.1% confirmed to be true.

There is also debate as to whether the sword is unreleased or in permanent Shikai. IMO, it's the latter due to databooks and what he said to Ichigo, and it dosen`t look like a normal katana.

Plus, his sword being constantly released fits with Yachiru constantly being present.

Paul_Cousins

06-15-2009, 05:20 PM

Since this is Kubo, that is officially 100.1% confirmed to be true.

There is also debate as to whether the sword is unreleased or in permanent Shikai. IMO, it's the latter due to databooks and what he said to Ichigo, and it dosen`t look like a normal katana.

Plus, his sword being constantly released fits with Yachiru constantly being present.I would not be surprised that also Kenpachi using bankai causes him to lose his sword completely and become a barehanded power house of fury.

Think Vegeta meets the Juggernaut. :evil:

Scirel

06-15-2009, 05:24 PM

I would not be surprised that also Kenpachi using bankai causes him to lose his sword completely and become a barehanded power house of fury.

Think Vega meets the Juggernaut. :evil:

Awesome. I was also thinking of Long, Rusty wolverine-ish claws. :evil:

Paul_Cousins

06-15-2009, 05:28 PM

Awesome. I was also thinking of Long, Rusty wolverine-ish claws. :evil:Sorry for the confusion. But I meant, think Vegeta meets the Juggernaut.

Rocketboy

06-16-2009, 02:32 AM

Haha, volume 39 has a mini-comic about Nel being freaked out by Zaraki.

ShadowGUN

06-16-2009, 08:51 AM

Early spoilers.

- Starks guns can fire continous rapid-fire Cero.
- Kyoraku can't dodge his attack.
- Ukitake appears in front of him and defend him.

MezzoDragon

06-16-2009, 11:02 AM

Early spoilers.

- Starks guns can fire continuous rapid-fire Cero.
- Kyoraku can't dodge his attack.
- Ukitake appears in front of him and defend him.

That is very impressive. I cannot wait to see it.

Also, any more info on the mini comic? Specifically on how Yachiru and Nel interact.

ShadowGUN

06-19-2009, 08:23 AM

anime_guru

06-19-2009, 08:52 AM

...was anyone else reminded of trigun and the gung ho guns???
eh well...finally the match we have ALL been waiting for has begun and it hasn't disappointed yet =) good job kubo

Baseball

06-19-2009, 10:02 AM

Awesome chapter. Stark's Resurreccion looks pretty bad ass in action. I wonder if Stark's Resurrecion was inspire by Soul Eater manga? Also I am curious what was that about Ukitake using a Cero to block Stark attack.
In one of the video games for the DS, Bleach: The Blade of Fate, Ukitake uses these beams of white light. I always thought he was using Kidou, but Kyoraku's wind attacks are consistent as well. In other games, he can use waves and lightning as well.

Also, more than anything else, I think Starrk's release is western themed. He looks kind of like a hairy cowboy. This chapter was pretty awesome too. Mostly action and little dialogue--opposite of what their fight has been until now.

Captain Highwind

06-19-2009, 10:27 AM

I wonder if Stark's Resurrecion was inspire by Soul Eater manga?

Which is why it was funny that they were arguing the logistics behind what body part transformed into what.

I've noticed the higher up on the Espada chain you are, the greater your attack range.

Mr. Obsession

06-19-2009, 11:55 AM

I have a feeling this fight is going to look fantastic when it finally gets animated. Just a hunch. Still, I’m glad Kubo’s at least giving us a look at what their shikai can actually do before moving on to bankai.

Also I am curious what was that about Ukitake using a Cero to block Stark attack.
Both Ichigo and Urahara have had their special attacks compared to cero before, Ukitake is just the third.

Rud

06-19-2009, 12:01 PM

come on guys, a Cero is just some very concentrated spirit energy, it shouldn't be that hard to do something similar.

Mr. Obsession

06-19-2009, 12:13 PM

But cero is a distinctive hollow attack. It’s supposed to raise eyebrows when specific shinigami, the supposed good guys, have similar or the same abilities.

Rud

06-19-2009, 12:52 PM

Its only a distinctive Hollow attack because They tend to be the ones to use it alot, but its still nothing more than concentrated spirit energy.

Captain Highwind

06-19-2009, 01:47 PM

Since Ukitake has twin blades, I'm going to take a stab in the dark and say he can mimic attacks.

FlyByNite77

06-19-2009, 03:07 PM

Hollows do Sonido, Shinigami do Shunpo, Quincy's have Hirenkyaku... so there's already a precedent for a similar type ability co-existing within different groups.

Although Captain Highwind's theory could prove true, I just don't think it makes Cero's less special. Heck look at Momo... She can pop off those spherical energy attack things which are pretty similar to Ceros.

Lighthammer

06-20-2009, 01:31 AM

I'm actually thinking that the fact Ukitake used a "Cero like attack" might actually be the tip of the iceberg as to why Ukitake is really sick.

The theory I am operating under currently is Ukitake may have been the noted "Researcher" before Urhara came around and may have delved into Hallowification long before Aizen was around.

If the theory pans out it might explain his sickness and I have a feeling it might even explain his white hair. The white hair could simply be a feature, but I have to admit, I've had a feeling for a long time its actually a hint.

Mr. Obsession

06-20-2009, 01:59 AM

Sorry, but no. Ukitake’s white hair is the result of an overly long and stressful coughing fit brought on by his tuberculosis in the course of one night. And from flashbacks we know he had his white hair back when he was still an academy student. Pg. 150 of Viz' translation of SOULS states that he's had his disease since early childhood.

FlyByNite77

06-20-2009, 06:21 AM

How the heck does a Shinigami have tuberculosis anyway? ;)

But of course we all know it's just the ongoing love of Okita Soji

Scirel

06-20-2009, 11:00 AM

How the heck does a Shinigami have tuberculosis anyway? ;)

But of course we all know it's just the ongoing love of Okita Soji

If he's had it since he was a kid, that means he's been sick for a long, long LONG time. I have a feeling that even if the disease is tuberculosis, something else is keeping him sick for that long.

Story-wise, he'll get a huge powerup if/when it is cured.

Lighthammer

06-20-2009, 11:32 AM

Well, we know from ramblings in the series he has not been sick for a 'long time' (What long time means in terms of Soul Society is open for debate). It's unknown when it started. We didn't see any evidence that he had it during the Pendulum arch but I'm not sure we can rule out he didn't have it then.

Further, to the best of my knowledge, its never been outright said he has tuberculosis, simply that his symptoms are similar to it.

For the record, the reason I suggest he might / is a researcher type person (hinting towards heavily involved in science) is it seems like he's always the "Go to" guy to dig through records to find out what happened. It just suggests to me that either he's something of a historian or a scientist of sorts. He is after all the one who uncovered the plot to create the King's Key.

All and all, I'm glad we're finally gonna get some hints to Ukitake's backstory.

Mr. Obsession

06-20-2009, 12:05 PM

Well, we know from ramblings in the series he has not been sick for a 'long time' (What long time means in terms of Soul Society is open for debate). It's unknown when it started. We didn't see any evidence that he had it during the Pendulum arch but I'm not sure we can rule out he didn't have it then.
Actually, from the pen of Kubo Tite himself we do know. Google search quickly told me to crack open Volume 18. At the back in the extra section on Ukitake it says, and I quote:

"Born with a lung ailment that frequently incapacitates him"

and

"Has gray hair. His hair went gray over the course of three days during one of his sick spells."

From the SOULS databook we know the hair change happened when he was a child (though I was wrong about the single night part).

Further, to the best of my knowledge, its never been outright said he has tuberculosis, simply that his symptoms are similar to it.
Based on the symptoms and the age at which he contracted it, what else could it be?

Rocketboy

06-23-2009, 12:34 PM

363

Wonderwiess appears.

Stuff's gonna get real now, son.

Rud

06-23-2009, 12:57 PM

363

Wonderwiess appears.
Oh its over, those Caps are really going to get it now:D

garfield15

06-23-2009, 01:10 PM

Wonderweiss is here?

Well, it's over now. Nice knowing you Captains.

RockmanDash

06-23-2009, 01:13 PM

Looks like Kubo has not forgot about Wonderweiss.. yikes. Looks like in a few more chapters we will get the vizards I'm hoping.

Mr. Obsession

06-23-2009, 01:13 PM

StaRRRRRRk figures out Ukitake's shikai ability:

Ukitake absorbs an attack one sword and then fires it back with the other. Kinda like Nel.

Lelouch

06-23-2009, 01:20 PM

Hmmm...

Vasto Lordes anyone?

If so, then the Captains will (hopefully) get owned and then the Vizards will show up and kick some ass.

ShadowGUN

06-23-2009, 04:59 PM

Refresh my memory who was Wonderwiess again :sweat:? There are so many Arrancars that it kind of hard to keep track of all of them

Rud

06-23-2009, 05:06 PM

Refresh my memory who was Wonderwiess again :sweat:? There are so many Arrancars that it kind of hard to keep track of all of them
The little boy one who came to earth with Yammi, Grimmjaw and Yuppi (the fight before Ulq took Orihime away). He was playing with a dragon fly during the fight.

Mr. Obsession

06-23-2009, 05:07 PM

Refresh my memory who was Wonderwiess again :sweat:?
http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/4950/wonderu.jpg
"Uwaaaaaaaaaa!"

ShadowGUN

06-23-2009, 05:17 PM

Now I remember. He was the Arrancar who hangs around Tosen.

warnerbroman

06-23-2009, 05:19 PM

http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/4950/wonderu.jpg
"Uwaaaaaaaaaa!"I hope he appears in the dub soon

(I only read as far back at ken vs #5)

Mr. Anime

06-23-2009, 05:21 PM

Oh, it's that mute Arrancar kid, now when are we going to get update on Ichigo and friends?

MezzoDragon

06-23-2009, 08:55 PM

Wonderweiss is an interesting character. Aside from random sounds, his only line of actual dialogue was his name during his introduction. Also, he wanted Kisuke's hat for some (probably dumb) reason.

Rud

06-23-2009, 09:39 PM

Also, he wanted Kisuke's hat for some (probably dumb) reason.
He probably sensed the uber powerful MacGuffin thats undoubtedly hidden in it:D.

Beat

06-23-2009, 11:15 PM

Oh, it's that mute Arrancar kid, now when are we going to get update on Ichigo and friends?

As soon as Kubo figures out how to get Orihime kidnapped again.:p

RockmanDash

06-23-2009, 11:52 PM

As soon as Kubo figures out how to get Orihime kidnapped again.:p

Yammi can grab her with his King Kong moves. =p

Captain Highwind

06-24-2009, 09:00 AM

Refresh my memory who was Wonderwiess again :sweat:?

The Dark Horse of all Espada :X

That is all.

StaRRRRRRk figures out Ukitake's shikai ability:

Ukitake absorbs an attack one sword and then fires it back with the other. Kinda like Nel.

Either Kubo can read my thoughts, or I can read his.

Either way I'm breaking out the aluminum foil.

Mr. Obsession

06-24-2009, 11:38 AM

So the chapter title is "Superchunky from Hell."

Really Kubo? Really?

garfield15

06-24-2009, 11:41 AM

So the chapter title is "Superchunky from Hell."

Really Kubo? Really?
He just doesn't care anymore does he? :p

Scirel

06-24-2009, 11:53 AM

The funny thing is that title would have somewhat made sense if it was about Yammy and everyone in Hueco Mundo.

garfield15

06-24-2009, 12:06 PM

The funny thing is that title would have somewhat made sense if it was about Yammy and everyone in Hueco Mundo.
(Thinks about title....then thinks about Yammy)

http://henshinjustice.com/forums/images/smilies/ROFL.gif

warnerbroman

06-24-2009, 01:14 PM

So the chapter title is "Superchunky from Hell."

Really Kubo? Really?there was one called "crossing swords" IDK till I looked it up

bigdeath

06-24-2009, 01:16 PM

Prehaps theres a secret message in bleach his trying to send to us all....:shrug:

Beat

06-24-2009, 01:32 PM

Is he even trying with the titles? I expect "booyah!" or "Not another last second powerup!" at this rate.

Rocketboy

06-24-2009, 04:35 PM

Recent spoilers suggest that the giant is that one-eyed creature that appeared when Aizen left Soul Society.

I wonder if it will do anything this time around.

ShadowGUN

06-26-2009, 09:08 AM

garfield15

06-26-2009, 09:28 AM

http://i350.photobucket.com/albums/q422/j_reader/motivator1d281fa2ce52350b67c3008b07.jpg

Paul_Cousins

06-26-2009, 09:52 AM

I am curious why Ukitake doesn't want Kyoraku to use his Bankai in public?Probably because Ukitake is starting to suspect this attack is a setup for Aizen to learn what the Soul Reaper captains are really capable of.

Neo Ultra Mike

06-26-2009, 12:18 PM

Wait, WHAT? Uh Aizen's been In The Soul Society for at least 110+ years and has probably talked with all the captains during his time there. Not to mention his special shikai abiltiies allowed him to search around for information without being noticed until after he left. In that 110+ years he should pretty much know all about them. I mean really this can't just simply be an information gathering mission. And this appearence of Wonderweiss and huge hollow better not be signifying some sort of lame ass retreat angle. Because if he did that he would be proving not only does he not have any balls, but brains as well. Though from the latest pacing of most of these chapters he's already kind of proving that.

Baseball

06-26-2009, 12:46 PM

I am curious why Ukitake doesn't want Kyoraku to use his Bankai in public? Knowing Kyoraku is probably a naked girl or something like that which is probably why Ukitake doesn't want him to use it :p.

So since Wonderweiss open a Garganta to bring the giant Hollow to the mortal world, I guess the way from Hueco Mundo is no longer closed.
Urahara said something similar about his Ban Kai. Theirs (along with Yamamoto, Unohana, and Ukitake) might be a type that could potentially destroy the entire area.

I wonder if after all of the Hollows are defeated, Aizen's next minions will be from Hell.

RockmanDash

06-26-2009, 12:52 PM

Urahara said something similar about his Ban Kai. Theirs (along with Yamamoto, Unohana, and Ukitake) might be a type that could potentially destroy the entire area.

I wonder if after all of the Hollows are defeated, Aizen's next minions will be from Hell.

Or how about we just get to fighting with Aizen, Gin, and Tousen already so we don't have to suffer another three years of fighting in the exact same area. =p Unless the hell monsters are just.. well monsters.

Captain Highwind

06-26-2009, 11:28 PM

Hey, it is the one-eyed monster

Wonder what horrific things it's gonna do, since apparently Hueco Mundo Beastiary > Espadas

Everybody's so secretive with their bankais still, sheesh!

Scirel

06-26-2009, 11:32 PM

Hey, it is the one-eyed monster

Wonder what horrific things it's gonna do, since apparently Hueco Mundo Beastiary > Espadas

Everybody's so secretive with their bankais still, sheesh!

maybe Yamamoto will take Wonderwise and the big guy?

Lelouch

06-28-2009, 02:35 PM

Hmmm... Hell =/= HM, right?

Anyways, I really want to find out what happened with Harr and Barr, so hopefully Kubo gets to them sooner or later...

And I really wish he would at least finish on of the fights before starting a new one, it is getting a bit old...

Knowing our luck next week he will start a battle with WW and "Superchunky" against Yamamoto, and then it will switch back to HM. I suppose the only plus of him doing that would be the possibility of seeing Nel again...I hope she eventually regains her true form fully...

Lighthammer

06-28-2009, 03:13 PM

Based on what I've gathered, Hueco Mundo is most certainly not hell. I'm not sure if Kubo drew upon Dante's Inferno or not, but Hueco Mundo appears to be something of a citadel of sorts in the River of Styx.

We most certainly have seen references to "Hell" when truly evil Hollows are exocrised. We've even had references suggesting that Chad's powers are demonic in nature.

I'd place myself in the camp that suggests we haven't scratched the surface of power levels in the world of Bleach.

My biggest looming question is how deep does Aizen's powers go? He's still overly confident for his situation.

I guess this could all be summarized into one question: If the Gates of Hell opened up in the middle of the current battle, would Aizen be commanding the legions of Hell, be in servitude to the legions of Hell or would he be defending himself against the legions of Hell.

Novapocalypse

06-28-2009, 05:36 PM

I am almost positive Kubo has had plans for Hell for awhile. Mainly for several reasons already stated. Either way, I would be excited to see Kubo's take on Hell, believe it or not. I just hope he doesn't reuse the same plot again.

Rud

06-28-2009, 06:22 PM

^^^who would be kidnapped this time, Nell??

MezzoDragon

06-28-2009, 07:15 PM

Nel (in her adult form) is far too badass to be kidnapped.

Mr. Obsession

06-28-2009, 09:28 PM

I don't know if it will turn out this way, but my interpretation of the Bleachverse goes like this:

Heaven (Possibly the King's Relm, but more than likely they're separate)
King's Relm
Soul Socety (Purgatory)
Earth
Hueco Mundo (Limbo)
Hell

And toss me in with those who believe Kubo will eventually a Hell Arc.

Wait, WHAT? Uh Aizen's been In The Soul Society for at least 110+ years and has probably talked with all the captains during his time there. Not to mention his special shikai abiltiies allowed him to search around for information without being noticed until after he left. In that 110+ years he should pretty much know all about them. I mean really this can't just simply be an information gathering mission.
Paul_Cousins might be right on the money with Ukitake's current motivations. The non-speed translation groups are saying Ukitake told Shunsui not to use his bankai with "so many eyes watching."

By the time Aizen became a captain, Ukitake, Shunsui, Unohana, and Yamamoto have been captains for centuries, if not longer. It's entirely likely that it's been a very, very long time since those four have even faced an opponent that required them to use their bankai. No one in Soul Society outside of those four may even know what their bankai are.

Nor is this out of character. In this series, almost every character has kept some of their abilities secret since they were introduced. Ikkaku's bankai? Byakuya's dome of swords (that Ichigo's the only other living person to have seen)? Yumichika's Little Shop of Horror? Hitsugaya's ice pillar that he had never used in combat before now? Soi Fon's rocket launcer (which she hates using)? And how many people knew about Aizen's true shikai ability before he left?

Honestly I'd be surprised if Gin doesn't have his own secret shikai or bankai move that he hasn't even told Aizen about. He'd be a complete fool if he didn't.

Captain Highwind

06-28-2009, 10:19 PM

What is a 'Superchunky' anyway?

Sounds like a candy bar...

bigdeath

06-28-2009, 10:27 PM

What is a 'Superchunky' anyway?

Oh, the offensive things I can post with a question like that....:sweat:

Don_East

06-28-2009, 10:28 PM

When I hear "Superchunky" I'm reminded of Super Chunk. You know, that three hour programming block CN use to show on Saturdays?

"GIVE ME MORE!"

Mr. Obsession

06-28-2009, 11:55 PM

What is a 'Superchunky' anyway?

Sounds like a candy bar...
Yammyzilla's resurreccion segunda etapa! :eek:

Honestly? No idea, but I do know that this is the first time in months that I can't wait to read the next chapter.

ShadowGUN

06-30-2009, 09:21 AM

At long last,The Vizards are back :D.

-color page belongs to Ishida.
-Wonderweiss attack Ukitake. His hand goes through Ukitake's back.
-Shusui attack WW but Starks shoots him in the back.
- The Soul Reapers fall while Starks looks on.
- Aizen is a hurry which why Wonderweiss appeared. Wonderweiss yells his battle cry.
- Oh snap, Harribel and Barangar are still alive.
- Oh snap again Aizen and his two regenade Soul Reapers are free.
-The Vizards appears ready to kick Aizen ass.

This chapter is made of EPIC win.

GWOtaku

06-30-2009, 09:33 AM

Epic win balanced or beaten by epic fail, unfortunately.

Why the hell are Harribel and Barranger still alive? What was the point of all the fighting in the last few chapters if they're now just going to have to be fought again?

Nothing about Yamamoto actually having to fight seriously for a change. Ukitake and Shusui conveniently go down without showing off their bankai.

So now it's suddenly up to the Vaizards and there's still Wonderweiss, Stark, Aizen, Gin, Tousen, and possibly Harribel and Barranger too.

So once again Kubo wastes our time, stacks the odds, and finds yet another way to tell us that Soul Society sucks.

Is it too much to ask for good pacing and a few heroes that don't get beat up in every other damn fight they end up in? I mean, seriously. Apparently it is.

Captain Highwind

06-30-2009, 10:00 AM

And...here we go with the big plotz.

This is probably going to spread out for at least 6 more months, but I think I'm at some state of acceptance, knowing that Kubo is throwing so many bones left and right...I have to know where he's going with them.

warnerbroman

06-30-2009, 10:29 AM

"Sorry. Seems like Aizen-sama wants to hurry this up, sending out Wonderweiss. Nothing personal..."

A CHALLENGER APPEARS

Paul_Cousins

06-30-2009, 10:54 AM

- Oh snap, Harribel and Barangar are still alive.
YES!! :D

As villians, those two are so cool.

Neo Ultra Mike

06-30-2009, 11:04 AM

Originally posted byGWOtaku
Why the hell are Harribel and Barranger still alive? What was the point of all the fighting in the last few chapters if they're now just going to have to be fought again?

To be fair

It did seem really too easy for Hitsuguya and Soi Fon to have killed the two. Hell, I called bull crap and anger several times if Hitsuguya would of ended up killing Harribel with that attack since that's an out of nowhere win for someone who shouldn't even be in the same league consideirng his previous battles. Personally I feel the Top 3 Espada should of been beyond the regular captains anyway so I welcome them not only having survived but also probably knocking away the ones they were fighting for the big Vizard showdown. Besides haven't people been saying since the Vizards backstory last year they would come back and save the captains? So if anything blame them for pointing out what now seems to be happening for calling it.

Here's another interesting fact...

There are 8 Vizards Right? And if we count the two newcomers, 3 exiled captains and 3 Esspada, that could actually make an 8 on 8 fight. Seems doubtful they'll go that route but if they do who do you think will end up fighting whom?

I'd say
Shinji Vs Aizen (Revenge Battle For Squad 5)
Kensei Vs Tosen (Another Revenge Battle For Squad 9)
Rose Vs Gin (Not a revenge battle but a Squad 3 Battle)
Lisa Vs Harribel (Would it be perversly weird to think of Lisa being turned on by Harribel thinking she was wearing some swim suit before battle? Seriously this could make a very good cat fight).
Hiyori Vs Barragan (Young Vs Old. Also maybe she ends up having some technique that can defeat his age rotting power like uh exercise bike chuck attack).
Love Vs Stark (Truthfully I figure the only other captain would fight the number one Espada).
Mashiro Vs Wonderweiss (I just picture the fight being silly back and forth between them).
Hachi Vs Giant Hollow (Both do seem like the outsiders of they're team in a sense)

That'd actually be worth seeing. I'd even buy the 3 Top Espada going down that way since if the Vizards are able to go full hollow powers with they're Shinigami strength they're stronger then the Captains. I mean Masked Shinji unreleased seemed as strong/stronger then bankai mask Ichigo back in the Hueco Mundo Arc.

RockmanDash

06-30-2009, 11:30 AM

Well it took them a year but the Vizards have finally arrived at the battlefield, seeing how this plays out is going to be really interesting. Also something tells me by the time this is all over, Ichigo's group will be already out of Hueco Mundo so it seems were almost near a wrap up...probably another nine months though.

Lelouch

06-30-2009, 11:48 AM

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS.

Wow, I am so happy with Kubo right now. I am expecting some epic battles, and I especially want to see some Vizard Bankai. In theory I almost think the Espada should get owned by the Vizard, but who knows, perhaps with a second release that wouldn't happen...

Also, has Harribel and Barragan actually been dead, I would have been thoroughly upset, there is just no way Hitsugaya had the strength to take Harribel down, and one cannon fire definately shouldn't have been enough to take down Barragan.

Also, do you think the SS captains will be surprised to see the Vizard? I'd ask about Aizen...but we all know he most likely expected them.

warnerbroman

06-30-2009, 11:56 AM

Also, do you think the SS captains will be surprised to see the Vizard? I'd ask about Aizen...but we all know he most likely expected them.I bet shunsui will be all over Lisa

Mr. Obsession

06-30-2009, 11:58 AM

Based on everything that happened in spoiler I'm convinced that WW is a vasto lorde. And I'm sticking with that until the Kubo says otherwise.

Why the hell are Harribel and Barranger still alive? What was the point of all the fighting in the last few chapters if they're now just going to have to be fought again?

Actually I find this satisfying. When it took berserk full hollow forum Ichigo to finally take down Ulquiorra, watching Harribel and Barragan (who are supposed to be more powerful) being taken out by with one-shots by characters who haven’t been depicted as the strongest captains, or without the visored power boost, it left a bad taste in my mouth.

Here's another interesting fact...

There are 8 Vizards Right? And if we count the two newcomers, 3 exiled captains and 3 Esspada, that could actually make an 8 on 8 fight. Seems doubtful they'll go that route but if they do who do you think will end up fighting whom?

I'd say
Shinji Vs Aizen (Revenge Battle For Squad 5)
Kensei Vs Tosen (Another Revenge Battle For Squad 9)
Rose Vs Gin (Not a revenge battle but a Squad 3 Battle)
Lisa Vs Harribel (Would it be perversly weird to think of Lisa being turned on by Harribel thinking she was wearing some swim suit before battle? Seriously this could make a very good cat fight).
Hiyori Vs Barragan (Young Vs Old. Also maybe she ends up having some technique that can defeat his age rotting power like uh exercise bike chuck attack).
Love Vs Stark (Truthfully I figure the only other captain would fight the number one Espada).
Mashiro Vs Wonderweiss (I just picture the fight being silly back and forth between them).
Hachi Vs Giant Hollow (Both do seem like the outsiders of they're team in a sense)

Actually, while I agree with most of those, unless she's changed her mind Harribel's going right after Yamamoto next, like she said she would when she finished with Hitsugaya.

And personally I'd like to see Komamura vs. Tosen. But Kensei's been waiting longer.

Paul_Cousins

06-30-2009, 12:49 PM

Based on everything that happened in spoiler I'm convinced that WW is a vasto lorde. And I'm sticking with that until the Kubo says otherwise.That would his autistic type personality. When he ascended to vasto lorde, his mind could not handle the new level of spitirual awareness and partly collapsed in on itself.

Lelouch

06-30-2009, 12:57 PM

Paul_Cousins

06-30-2009, 01:35 PM

Note: This is a bit random...but...

We all know that Nel will survive this whole ordeal, seeing as she is a good guy and all, but what about Grimmjaw?

I really don't think he will be killed, otherwise why would they go through the trouble of giving him a whole backstory? Plus, we need an Espada, other that Nel, to remain alive after all of this is said and done.

Now...if he does live, will he be good? Just with a bit of a sadistic side to him?

That being said, I wonder if Kubo might keep one of the Top 3 alive. For obvious reasons, it could potentially be Stark, seeing as he doesn't really like fighting, but I suppose it could be Harribel. Barragan is a definate no, he is 100% bad so Kubo definately won't keep him alive.

What do you guys think?About Barragan...

It is possible that Barragan is really what is left of Uryuu's grandfather, after Mayuri's, and later Aizen's experiments.

That would explain where Uryuu's vision he had earlier in the story arc, where his grandfather told him that he did that best he could and that was alright and he should turn back, came from.

Barragan was trying to get Uryuu to leave Hueco Mundo before he was seriously hurt.

Barragan does bear a similar appearance as Uryuu's grandfather.

Lelouch

06-30-2009, 02:05 PM

About Barragan...

It is possible that Barragan is really what is left of Uryuu's grandfather, after Mayuri's, and later Aizen's experiments.

That would explain where Uryuu's vision he had earlier in the story arc, where his grandfather told him that he did that best he could and that was alright and he should turn back, came from.

Barragan was trying to get Uryuu to leave Hueco Mundo before he was seriously hurt.

Barragan does bear a similar appearance as Uryuu's grandfather.

Ah, quite an interesting theory...

I really hadn't thought about that possibility. That being said, would the Grandfather's personality really be able to change the whole of Barragan?

(Why are we using Spoiler Tags again? It is speculation, but ah well...)

Also, my doubts have further heightened about Harribel, due to the fact that she is so concerned with taking out Yamamoto. While she seems to have a level-head, she also seems very loyal to Aizen at the same time.

warnerbroman

06-30-2009, 02:07 PM

Mr. Obsession

06-30-2009, 02:15 PM