The Batman "Night and The City" Talkback (Spoilers)

[The Penguin]

It's a super-villain team-up of epic proportions as The Batman must juggle confrontations with his three most deadly foes all at the same time...

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The Batman #26 - Night and The City
Original Airdate - September 10th, 2005

Joker, Penguin, and Riddler battle over control of the city, until finally deciding to settle their differences by giving all of Gotham over to whoever is able to capture and discover the true identity of the Batman.

Comments?

[Azrael24]

YES! im the first one to vote,

anywayz, great episode! it was brilliant

i liked that finally rojas got put in his place, and commissioner gordon was great. i liked the ending scene where they're talking and the batsignal was awsome!! and i liked the way they set up the stage for batgirl:

"For your daughter then"

and the fight between batman, riddler, joker, penguin, and yin sorta. this episode really shows that riddler is the better villain and the he is the smarter villain. he just kind of let batman take care of them at the end so then he wouldnt have competition.

i also liked the forshadowing when batman said that yin is not his sidekick but his partner.

one of the best episodes in the series! *****

[Drizzt2218]

This was the perfect episode to cap off what's been an extraordinary second season (episodes 14-26). This is a season that's given us gems ranging from "The Laughing Bat" to "Riddled," "Strange Minds" to "Meltdown," and plenty of other greats in-between. It's hard not to notice the huge jump in overall quality the series took with the first season's finale -- much the way B:TAS started off a little rough, only to come together entirely with the "Two-Face" two-parter. Most shows get off to a rocky start, and "The Batman" had the shadow of "B:TAS" looming over it right from the beginning. That they've suceeded in crafting a new, different take on the Dark Knight at all is testament to the strength of the crew making this series; that they've given us something so GOOD just shows how talented they are.

The Batman faced four enemies this episode; Riddler, Rojas, Joker & Penguin, each of them having been built up in previous appearances (and validating the number of Joker & Penguin episodes we've had, in my opinion). This was the culmination of the second batch of thirteen episodes, and in a lot of ways, the first 26 episodes altogether. Aided by a new Commissioner and a recent partner, The Batman triumphs not only against his foes, but in carving out a new era in this Dark Knight's life. There's a strong sense of closure to this episode, as well as creating a new direction for this series in the future. The mythology of Batman has progressed.

One interesting tidbit is that I believe this is the first episode to not feature Alfred. I may be wrong, and if I am, somebody please correct me. But I can't recall Mr. Pennyworth having not appeared in a single episode before this.

There was so much to enjoy with "Night and the City," and I have a feeling that it'll only get even better from here. Next Saturday brings on the Batgirl, and I for one cannot wait to see where the series goes from here.

*****

--Larry

[Azrael24]

actually he was at the beggining of the episode when bruce is watching the news alfred was there

[Drizzt2218]

Ha! You're right. Thanks. I guess with all the stuff going on in the episode, it was easy to forget that he was there -- and with some exposition about Gordon's new status as Commissioner to boot. Thanks again, Az.

--Larry

[enigmatic_one]

Well, this was a very good episode, I have to say. It was really nice to bring the villians together like that, as well as bringing closure to the whole police arc that was expanded on over the season (Fire and Ice in particular).

I have very few qualms with this episode, but feel they need addressing. The pacing seemed a little off. Everything was rushed to some degree and other things, such as Gordon's sudden appearance and the rivalry between villians, I felt should have been hinted at in earlier episodes so that they were expanded on now instead of just happening without any sort of progression. You might agrue that The Laughing Bat established that Penguin and Joker were having issues already, but I felt their appearance there showed a more of a professional curtesy and mutual respect relationship as opposed to the conflict that opened the show.

I would have liked to see more of the Riddler too as this is only his second appearance (as opposed to the dozen or so times we've seen Joker and Penguin), but all the same it furthered his character of the genius mastermind who was in control of everything the whole time. I just wish for once we found out how a villian escaped from Arkham! Aside from Topsy Turvy it seems they're just released periodically!

Also Drizzt2218, wasn't Alfred in this episode when Bruce is watching tv and Gordon makes a comment, near the beginning? I could be wrong (I saw this on the Canadian airing) but it seems to me that he was. (EDIT: Ack, I see Azrael beat me to it :P)

All in all, very good episode. Not my favourite, but definately in the top five. It's nice that now upon the completion of season two I can confidently say that I do have a favourite five, and that they are all excellent episodes. I look forward to being further impressed with season three! Yay Batgirl!

~Enigmatic One

[Ruseri]

actually he was at the beggining of the episode when bruce is watching the news alfred was thereThat's true, he WAS in the episode... though there HAVE been a couple other eps in which he never appeared... i honestly can't think of specific ones right now, but trust me! :-P

Excellent episode BTW... i saw it a couple of months ago, but still ;)

[Gaunt]

Despite some ridiculous moments (Joker spray-painting the town white, with Penguin putting black with it), the episode was able to rise beyond, mainly due to the efforts of the Riddler.

Whereas the other two are goofing-off, the Riddler was, again, the genuine threat. He didn't rely on physical prowess, but instead relied upon his brain. It's quite enjoyable to see him in a mastermind role, as well as his technological abilities.

As for Gordon, I was somewhat disappointed. The design is excellent and the voice decent, but it really didn't show him put Rojas in his place. He noted the difficulties the Police Chief was experiencing, but really didn't chew him out.

Anyway, good episode for a season finale.

[AdamYJ]

Very good episode. I liked seeing Commisioner Gordon. He's an important part of the Batman supporting cast. This was also the first time I saw The Batman's version of Riddler. I've gotta say, I like him.

[Batman Fan]

This was a good season finale, and did a nice job of foreshadowing events to come and introduced a great character into the show.

First off, not only was I excited to see Gordon come in, but hopefully because of his arrival, we won't have to see anymore of Rojas. While Gordon didn't really put Rojas in his place, Rojas got the jest of it and realize what Gordon was saying. This Gordon reminds me of the one from Batman Begins, in that he's willing to let Batman help and take down these criminals in a corrupt city and wants to rely on him, but he doesn't exactly admire what he does, and he doesn't fully trust him yet.

From the sound of the synopsis, I thought this was gonna be an interesting episode, and while it wasn't bad by any means, it was a bit of a letdown. I really wanted to see each of the three villans attempts to unmask Batman, but we have more of the cops trying to catch Batman which was kinda boring, although it did make for some good interaction and dialogue between Yin and Batman.

Riddler stole the show away. He upstaged every single character, and proved he's the best villan on this show. He basically used the city as a weapon to get at Batman, and he was always one step ahead of Joker and Penguin. Riddler used so much of his intellect that he made Joker and Penguin look more like morons. His design is really growing on me, and his voice is perfect, he's able to pull off the character's intelligence, and also be a bit creepy at the same time.

The animation was great, especially when Batman is fighting all three of his villans, that was a real clever and nice looking fight. Seeing Batman being able to dogde all of there attacks and fight back was amazing. This episode I found was strong visually, with the backgrounds, and seeing the question marks and bat signals on the buildings. Also, the scene where the lights go out and the cops are sniping and shooting stun laser at Batman looked really cool in the dark.

I don't think Joker and Penguin were even needed, in my eyes, all they did was give Batman a bit more of a challenge in a fight scene, as Riddler controlled the game, and there was too much of the cops chasing after Batman and that took up time I'd have like to see other stuff going on, and while the story sounded great, it didn't achieve everything I think it should've, maybe my expectations were to high, but like I said, the whole game thing was owned by Riddler, and Joker and Penguin got left out in the cold, I expected more.

I'm not gonna vote, because I can't decide between a grade of **** or ****1/2

[ROBOTRON]

Discuss.

Really good episode. We get our first look at Comm. Gordon and we see the Bat signal. It also appears (as I hoped) that Gordon is challenging Chief Rojas...perhaps that means Rojas is on his way out...at least I hope. I really dislike his character. This also means (as I'm sure your all aware by now) that Barbara can't be far away...9/17/05 to be exact.

The 3 villian team-up was cool...I enjoyed seeing them at each other's throats at first and then coming together to capture/get rid of The Batman. People may disagree, but to me the Riddler is still "stunning" when he appears...its gotta be one of the best new designs for a Batman villian. I actually hated the "girly" Nygma from BTAS...I really did. This one is smart and kix azz.

Yet another Penguin appearence...wow, Matsuda must really like this character. I do too, but good grief! He's in every episode.

I rate "Night and the City" 9.2/10

[Azrael24]

i forgot to mention something i noticed, which was either just something or it was forshadowing.

at the end of the episode when the police are taking joker, riddler, and penguin away, gordon said something and joker looked at him in such a hateful way and it looked like he was thinking of revenge against comm gordon.

maybe it was just me but i thought id bring it up.

[Ruseri]

It DOES seem likely that Joker may target Gordon (or possibly Barbara :D ) in a future episode, especially considering he seems to enjoy going after cops who are close to Batman (Bennet, Yin, and now Gordon perhaps). I think that would make for some great episodes!

OH, did anyone happen to catch the Promo for season three that aired after the episode was over? i REALLY wished i'd caught it, cause i heard it had scenes with Tremblor, Maxie Zeus and a previously unmentioned villain, the Toy Man :eek: ! I really hope some screens get online soon! :D

[Fone Bone]

No more spoilers please.

I loved the episode. I thought it was pretty neat although I REALLY wish Gordon had chewed Rojas a new butthole. Seriously. Rojas is about as detremental to the city's well being as Joker is and that's saying something. I'm sick of his incompetence always being shrugged off. I wish Clayface HAD killed him.

Loved the Riddler and am glad to see they seem to only be bringing him back for important episodes. Good.

Less Alfred= also good.

I liked Gordon a lot. I kept trying to picture Mitch Pileggi's voice but I finally got it halfway through the episode. Skinner!

I wasn't aware this was the season finale. I'm honestly a little disappointed to hear that because I had just thought they had pulled out all of the stops here for a regular episode. I really hope next year they don't save all of the great episodes for the finales again. ****1/2.

[ROBOTRON]

It DOES seem likely that Joker may target Gordon (or possibly Barbara :D ) in a future episode, especially considering he seems to enjoy going after cops who are close to Batman (Bennet, Yin, and now Gordon perhaps). I think that would make for some great episodes!

OH, did anyone happen to catch the Promo for season three that aired after the episode was over? i REALLY wished i'd caught it, cause i heard it had scenes with Tremblor, Maxie Zeus and a previously unmentioned villain, the Toy Man :eek: ! I really hope some screens get online soon! :DThe TOYMAN???

*scratches head*

I liked him on STAS and JL, but I always thought he was a superman vill..........ah, forget it.:sweat:

[enigmatic_one]

Although I really loved Riddler in B:TAS, this Riddler is done better in a lot of ways. (My absolute favorite Riddler remains Ty Templeton's take in Batman Adventues) It's nice to see him more dynamic. I love his cane too - Seriously, I want one of those canes!

Also, (spoiler)

Toyman?


Why does it seem that JLU can't use Batman villians because of the embargo, but The Batman can just grab any JLU villians it wants without any problems? I think it's time to revive the old Embargo Hate thread.

~Enigmatic One

[FALLEN ELDOR]

I have to admit I'm warming up to the show. I never hated it outright, but I'm really beginning to like it.

[jv2k]

I don't remember hearing toyman....
Oh anyway this episode was great for the reasons already mensioned. What I love is how they showed the contrast between Joker/penguin and the riddler.
Joker and Penguin are kinda like an anti-batman with their gadgets and fighting skills, while the joker was a weak guy who thought things through. This was especially shown in the end when he attacks batman with his cain and is easily beaten.
I also like how it showed batman got better, and was much more capable at taking down his greatest foes, from the difficult joker and penguin fights from season 1 to being able to easily take them down while they attack at the same time.

[Jack Frenzy]

I just wish for once we found out how a villian escaped from Arkham! Aside from Topsy Turvy it seems they're just released periodically!
I've always wondered if that's what the Getaway Genius has been up to all these years.

[AdamYJ]

The TOYMAN???

*scratches head*

I liked him on STAS and JL, but I always thought he was a superman vill..........ah, forget it.:sweat:

Well, it's not completely out of the question to do that sort of thing.

Solomon Grundy was a Golden Age Green Lantern villian originally. I believe Ragdoll was a Starman villian. Firefly originally fought The Creeper, but spent most of his career fighting Batman.

Truth be told, both Toyman and The Prankster often seem more like Batman or Flash villians in that they focus on off-beat gimmicks and gadgets rather than any sort of superpower. I figure Toyman can fight both Superman and Batman if they want him to.

[Ruseri]

No more spoilers please.The title of the thread has "(spoilers)" in it... i thought that meant Spoilers were allowed :shrug:

*confused*

Note: i can't be a hundred percent SURE it was Toyman, i did NOT actually see the commercial/promo... someone else mentioned that they saw the new promo and that Toy man was in it. i, however, did not see this promo, so i was hoping someone could confirm it here.

[Drizzt2218]

I haven't seen the promo, but I can tell you the character in question is NOT the Toyman, but is a retooled version of an obscure Batman foe named GEARHEAD. He's a character who appeared a few times in the late '90s, but has, like Cluemaster, been given a brand new take for this series. He was actually announced during the Comic-Con, in the Q&A session.

--Larry

[Style]

I thought it was pretty neat although I REALLY wish Gordon had chewed Rojas a new butthole. Seriously. Rojas is about as detremental to the city's well being as Joker is and that's saying something. I'm sick of his incompetence always being shrugged off. I wish Clayface HAD killed him.
The way I take it, Gordon chewing out Rojas would have been redundant, because Gordon is so damn pimp that his simple prescence proclaimed Rojas to be a butthole in deep, unspoken ways.

[90'sCartoonMan]

Woo, now this episode was fun! In terms of episode appearances, Riddler has been in more interesting episodes than Clayface. But then again, this is only his second appearance.

I really like the idea behind the episode, and Gordon was introduced perfectly. I mean, who here DIDN'T love seeing Yin's Batwave smashed and having the Bat signal appear at the end of the episode?

It's unfortunate that they tried to cram so much into this. The Rojas and GPD plot was fine, and even though Riddler was cool, Penguin and Joker didn't get to do much. I understand Penguin looking like a fool, but you'd think Joker would get SOME advantage some time. I really like The Batman's Riddler, but unfortunately, I lost some of the interest I had in The Joker.

[Azrael24]

I haven't seen the promo, but I can tell you the character in question is NOT the Toyman, but is a retooled version of an obscure Batman foe named GEARHEAD. He's a character who appeared a few times in the late '90s, but has, like Cluemaster, been given a brand new take for this series. He was actually announced during the Comic-Con, in the Q&A session.

--Larry
oh i remember you mentioning that but i forgot about it.

i hope some can get the pics of maxie zeus and soon

[JLU Dude]

Five stars. I, like most of you, enjoyed this ep. I liked finally seeing Commissioner Gordon on the Batman. I like his design for the show and Mitch Pileggi did a good job as Gordon.
Though the rivalry idea was interesting and nice to see Batman finally getting a break from the GCPD pursuing him. I, like many of you, also wanted to see Rojas get his comeuppance (Though the difference between me and the rest of you is my idea of comeuppance for Rojas is him getting fired!:evil::D). Can't wait for next week.

[MacGyver]

****1/2. Why? Well, some things about it just bugged me.
1) Joker and Penguin tagging Gotham. What a load of garbage.
2) Gordon showing up, the city liking Batman, all occured a little to quickly for my taste. It needed to happen, but the course of one episode was just quick.
3) Batman using an exploding Batarang on an oil derrick. Maybe he didn't blow anthing up, but what was he thinking?

Other than that, it was all good. Rojas finding out about Yin and Batman. Rojas destroying the communicator. The Batsignal. The fights. Batman cornered in the warehouse. The hint about Barbara. A great end to what was basically a great season. Look forward to next weeks season premiere.

[Wanted]

It can only get better...

What I loved about this episode:

dialogue. Some shows don't need dialogue, but The Batman does. It performs horribly without it.
story. The story in this episode just made sure that the show would stand on continuity. I'm a sucker for continuity.
Yin. I've been waiting for an episode where Yin is a key component.
Well, next week is time for the Batgirl, and I'm extatic.

[Fone Bone]

The title of the thread has "(spoilers)" in it... i thought that meant Spoilers were allowed :shrug:

*confused*

Note: i can't be a hundred percent SURE it was Toyman, i did NOT actually see the commercial/promo... someone else mentioned that they saw the new promo and that Toy man was in it. i, however, did not see this promo, so i was hoping someone could confirm it here.Spoilers are allowed for THIS episode, but not future ones. If you DO want to discuss future plots use spoiler tags. Like this:
Fone Bone rocks!You make them by first typing {spoiler}the spoiler here then {/spoiler}. But instead of actually using {} use [] instead.



The way I take it, Gordon chewing out Rojas would have been redundant, because Gordon is so damn pimp that his simple prescence proclaimed Rojas to be a butthole in deep, unspoken ways. Unfortunately, Rojas may be too thick to actually get that. Dude needs to be fired, kicked out on the street, develope a drinking problem, lose his family, get beaten up by hobos, eaten by wild dogs and defecated into a sewer. Only then, will I consider Karma actually working.

[Hordesman]

Unfortunately, Rojas may be too thick to actually get that. Dude needs to be fired, kicked out on the street, develope a drinking problem, lose his family, get beaten up by hobos, eaten by wild dogs and defecated into a sewer. Only then, will I consider Karma actually working.

The way I see it, Gordon's testing the waters with Batman. He understands what Rojas is getting at. Right now, it's the sort of uneasy wartime alliance. It's past the time where the Batman could have been arrested with the least risk, now with the incoming glut of supervillains seeking to control Gotham.

[JLU Dude]

Unfortunately, Rojas may be too thick to actually get that. Dude needs to be fired, kicked out on the street, develope a drinking problem, lose his family, get beaten up by hobos, eaten by wild dogs and defecated into a sewer. Only then, will I consider Karma actually working.I agree that Rojas should have been fired, but isn't the rest of that a bit...extreme?O_o

[ROBOTRON]

I think Rojas was created on The Batman as a counterpart to what Bullock was on BTAS...A Batman hater with a badge.

However...I like Bullock.

Rojas totally sux. His personality is way off. Hes the type of person you want to choke...to see as less of as possible.

Bullock's character had become to eventually respect The Bat, even though he didn't like him. :D

[Fone Bone]

I think Rojas was created on The Batman as a counterpart to what Bullock was on BTAS...A Batman hater with a badge.

However...I like Bullock.

Rojas totally sux. His personality is way off. Hes the type of person you want to choke...to see as less of as possible.

Bullock's character had become to eventually respect The Bat, even though he didn't like him. :DYeah, Bullock is in a completely different league. Even in the earlier episodes he's likable because you get the sense he's a good cop. I think the BTAS writers were smart enough to give him a personality while The Batman's writers seemed content with making Rojas an utter mustache twirler. I find that sloppy and is a big part of the reason I don't find The Batman characters as compelling as BTAS.



I agree that Rojas should have been fired, but isn't the rest of that a bit...extreme?O_o KARMA CANNOT BE DENIED!!!

[JLU Dude]

Memo to self: Never anger Fone Bone.:eek::p

[Fone Bone]

Darn tootin'!:D

[creativerealms]

Rojas is an idiot who needs everything spelled out for him (Riddled for example) He is one of those fools who never should have gotten the job he has. They should ether do something interesting with him like having him be in the pay roll of a crime boss, or just let him get fired. He is incompatant to say the least.

[Ian]

Meh...dissapointing. If the various themes approached in this episode had been handled competently in past episodes, then maybe this one could achieve the significance it was striving for. As it is, the various elements are lacking: Rojas and the GCPD are paper-thin; The Penguin and The Joker are bufoons, and Riddler doesn't really seem like the type to go after turf. Yin and Batman's relationship isn't developed enough. Add it up, and it makes for an above-average conclusion to a badly-told story.

And...lasers?

[creativerealms]

Shock bullets actually, though lasers never stopped people from liking X-men TAS and Spiderman TAS.

[Bizarro Batman]

Isn't anyone else impressed how Riddler managed to illuminate windows on buildings like that? :p I guess his obsession with finding out who Batman is will be a recurring theme, too. I like that angle.

As for the episode itself, it was great. I thought Gordon was handled perfectly, and eagerly look forward to more interactions between him and Batman. While I understand Rojas' motivations, he's still a jackhole and I'm glad he got put in his place this time.

My only complaint is the beginning with the Joker and Penguin. Spray painting the town over turf? What is this....Jet Set Gotham Radio? While Mr. Cobblepot is all but a joke in the series, it's odd that we go from last weeks episode of the Joker to his goofiness (and very fast escape, apparently) in this one.

[ROBOTRON]

Yeah, Bullock is in a completely different league. Even in the earlier episodes he's likable because you get the sense he's a good cop. I think the BTAS writers were smart enough to give him a personality while The Batman's writers seemed content with making Rojas an utter mustache twirler.
:D - LOL.

Agreed.

I wish Bennet/Clayface had succeeded in his quest to "off" him (Rojas).

[Harper]

This was my first exposure to The Batman's version of Riddler, and I have to say...

I like him. He's different, for sure, but not bad at all. The design and voice fit well. He's smart, creepy, and manipulative. And it works. All in all, a very enjoyable episode. Gordon showing up all of a sudden was a bit jarring, but I got past it quickly enough.

As for the the "shock bullets," I've decided that after the murders of Thomas and Martha Wayne, the city was so shocked that it passed an ordinance completely banning the possession of firearms. That's why the "guns" used in the show are all non-lethal ordinance. Not terribly realistic, but it helps me get past the weird-looking and distracting weapons the cops carry in The Gotham.

Anyway, I give the episode ****.

[DeathscytheVII]

"Stand back bats, unless you want the shock of a lifetime."

Someone please fire Chief Rojas, not only is he incompetent, but what kind of chief arms his police with stun guns? lol.

Anyways, this too, is my first exposure to the Riddler, and I like this one, he certainly is creepier and a bigger threat than the other BTAS version. Joker and Penguin did absolutely nothing in this episode, Riddler was the only one who really constituted a threat here.

Nice ep, although there is still room for improvement.

[Ian]

Someone please fire Chief Rojas, not only is he incompetent, but what kind of chief arms his police with stun guns? lol.
Maybe he's British.

[Bizarro Batman]

Maybe he's British.Wouldn't they be billy clubs if that was the case? :p

[AdamYJ]

"Stand back bats, unless you want the shock of a lifetime."

Someone please fire Chief Rojas, not only is he incompetent, but what kind of chief arms his police with stun guns? lol.

I think that maybe in this situation, he wanted to bring Batman in alive. That way, it would be easier to make an example of him. I mean, if they manage to bring in the most elusive man in Gotham without killing him, it would make Rojas and the GCPD look pretty impressive and make people think twice about taking the law into their own hands.

[Ruseri]

I think that maybe in this situation, he wanted to bring Batman in alive. That way, it would be easier to make an example of him. I mean, if they manage to bring in the most elusive man in Gotham without killing him, it would make Rojas and the GCPD look pretty impressive and make people think twice about taking the law into their own hands.exactly. i never even thought twice about the "tazer guns"... it made sense to me. they want him alive... ESPECIALLY since they don't even know WHO he really is. Imagine if he turned out to be the mayor... or even.. Bruce Wayne! then they'd be screwed, cause they just shot Bruce Wayne to death! ;)

besides, technically Batman hadn't really done anything worthy of requiring that he be pursued with deadly force. They had the trap planned out, so they obviously thought "tazer guns" would be enough.

[jv2k]

Or we can just say that kids wb wont let them use real guns, despite the fact that all little boys play games with killing and guns.

[Alpha Flight]

What a great episode!
Wow, did you see how high Penguin jumped? Does anyone know if he did that in the comics and how he could do do that?

[raykremer]

Gordon was introduced perfectly. I mean, who here DIDN'T love seeing Yin's Batwave smashed and having the Bat signal appear at the end of the episode? Seemed rushed. If Gordon wasn't an established part of Batman mythos and Rojas was, we'd all be asking who the hell this Gordon character is, how he appeared out of nowhere, and why he's suddenly Batman's buddy.

Though now that we've actually got Gordon in the show (come to think of it, probably only because they needed Barbara to be Batgirl), can we get rid of Yin?

Given that Greg Weisman write for this sometimes, we should get a crossover with Gargoyles. Goliath can have a kick ass arial fight with Man-Bat while Batman plays with his batwave pager and everybody can keep getting Eliza and Yin mixed up.

[Azrael24]

gordon did not come out of nowhere, the news-reported clearly said 'the new commissioner.'

[creativerealms]

Yeah but was he a Gotham police officer or transfered from another city or what? Newly appointed or not it would have been nice if he showed up before this episode.

[jv2k]

He kinda looks like
http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/WF/thebatman/episodes/02traction/18.jpg
see
http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/WF/thebatman/episodes/26nightcity/04.jpg

[The Penguin]

He kinda looks like
http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/WF/thebatman/episodes/02traction/18.jpg
see
http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/WF/thebatman/episodes/26nightcity/04.jpgI like it. Let's say promotion.

[Ruseri]

I kinda figured it was Jim (in the flashback, in Traction) anyway... i mean, the character design is obviously similar. it was probably intended. i believe that IS Gordon when he was younger, and on the GCPD. it's reminiscent of Batman Begins in a way... there was a similar scene with a young Jim Gordon comforting Bruce as a child in the movie too.

[Azrael24]

there is a scene very similar to that...coincidance??:confused: too much of a coincidance?? hem, hem, mr.matsuda?? help??

n*e*wayz, if you think about it, bruce was about 9 or 10 in the flashback, making it 15 or 16 years back, so it would have been about the same time that barbara was born.

just something i noticed

[JLU Dude]

I kinda figured it was Jim (in the flashback, in Traction) anyway... i mean, the character design is obviously similar. it was probably intended. i believe that IS Gordon when he was younger, and on the GCPD. it's reminiscent of Batman Begins in a way... there was a similar scene with a young Jim Gordon comforting Bruce as a child in the movie too.I was thinking about poating the same thing. It kinda works and does kinda with with Alfred's line about the importance of Gordon in Bruce's life. And, it's not like the B: TAS crew didn't have slight similarities to the movies [Jack Napier being the real name for Joker, a Burton-ish looking Penguin, a blonde Catowman during B: TAS (Later undone when TNBA hit) and maybe even TNBA's neon-colored Riddler and spike-sportin' Bane].

[JLU Dude]

Now, that I think about it, could that man in that flashback really have been Gordon. I may be being stupid or navie but does someone's jaw line really change in 15 or so years?

[Matsuda]

Jim Gordon is the young officer that helps Bruce in the Traction episode. It is a coincidence however that the movie did it as well.

[JLU Dude]

Jim Gordon is the young officer that helps Bruce in the Traction episode. It is a coincidence however that the movie did it as well.
Ah, so it was correct to assume that the young officer was Gordon. Thanks, Mr. Matsuda.:)

[creativerealms]

Thanks Matsuda, I wondered if that cop was Gordon too. Good to know.

[Binker]

I was right!

People bashed me at SHH! saying that couldn't have been Gordon. Thanks man! :)

[sdp]

the beggining of how the villians teaming(or "competing) up seemed a little generic, but not that it takes anything away, it actually feels right. it was nice seeing all 3 of them specially the first penguin joiker interaction in the beggining. I also really like this riddler, even though its different the 'goth' look it has adds a different flavor to the character.

would have liked if some cops did not follow rojas like they all applauded him infire and ice. but it was interesting seeing rojas find out, felt pretty bad for yin (she seemed out of model though).

This could have been a two parter and raised the stakes a little higher, wonder why season 2 didn't have one.
only complain is it didn't have a real closure for Rojas and Yin....Everything ended the way it already was, why haven't we seen then on season 3
thats my question.

the last sequence was very nice though :D great episode

[jimmymiro12]

I really like the idea. Not bad because I have never seen it before.



jimmy m

[Cortez2301]

probably one of the best episodes of "The batman".I liked how smart Riddler was here and he was still able to defend himselfwhen hiis men were overpowered by The joker and Oswald.

[Caswin]

Wow. The Batman's Riddler is awesome. He, like, actually managed to take over Gotham City. Why haven't I seen Riddled yet? D:

I really liked this episode, with only one qualm: I generally like this show's over-the-top kung-fu fighting, but do we really need these guys to be that blatantly metahuman?

[batmanbeyond13]

This is my favorite episode of The Batman. I enjoy it all the time I watch it. I'm not very fond of the first season or the third season. Hopefully, the fourth season will be as great as the second season.

[D.A.V.E.]

Great episode. Joker and Penguin fight each other while Riddler outsmarts them. All of Gotham PD hunts after Batman. Comissioner Gordon and the good ol' Batsignal finally were introduced. Chief Rojas got owned, and there was even a very slight DKR reference.

What more can you ask for?

[Cortez2301]

Great episode. Joker and Penguin fight each other while Riddler outsmarts them. All of Gotham PD hunts after Batman. Comissioner Gordon and the good ol' Batsignal finally were introduced. Chief Rojas got owned, and there was even a very slight DKR reference.

What more can you ask for?The dKR reference you were referring to was about the part when gordon met batman?

[D.A.V.E.]

The dKR reference you were referring to was about the part when gordon met batman?

Sorry, I meant Killing Joke, not DKR, but yeah, that is another one.

[thedanmachine]

Just rewatched this episode and realized how awesome it was again. The mood, the fight scenes, the decent dialogue, everything that was good about this show was in this episode. Its a shame that they didnt do more with the Gordon character though.

[D.A.V.E.]

Just rewatched this episode and realized how awesome it was again. The mood, the fight scenes, the decent dialogue, everything that was good about this show was in this episode. Its a shame that they didnt do more with the Gordon character though.

Very true about Gordon. He was a mere cameo by the time the fifth season aired. There was so much potential for him in "The End of the Batman", but that's another rant for another day.