More on "Devil's Feud Cake"

[Bum]

After ten years of not seeing this cartoon [along with all the other Saturday morning mainstays- Dumb Patrol, The Million Hare, etc- thanks to my ABC affiliate not carrying the Bugs & Tweety Show], I'd have to agree with everyone who said it was the worst Bugs cartoon ever [to me it's a close battle with the other "cheater", Hare-Abian Nights]. Several points were made about the inferior re-recording of the "Hare Lift" dialogue, but did anyone notice that the dialogue for the "Sahara Hare" section [Whoa Camel, Whoa!] was the original? Perhaps, did the Hare Lift section HAVE to be re-recorded? It seems like they wanted to keep Bill Lava's "score" [such as it is] consistent through the film, and the "Sahara Hare" clip manages to combine Lava's music with the original dialogue [as we know from the Carl Stallng CD's, many of the separate vocal and music tracks remain to this day]. Obviously they were able to eliminate the [original] music track for this film, but maybe for technical reasons, they were unable to do the same with the older cartoon, hence the need to re-do the dialogue [???]. Any speculations, anyone?

[Jack]

"Hare Lift" was made before the studio closed down shortly, "Sahara Hare" was made after, so maybe they discarded some of the original audio tracts to the pre-close down cartoons, leaving only the music, or only the music and dialog put together (i read that they really weren't in to saving the vocal stuff, because they could just get Mel Blanc to come re-record stuff, but I guess it was harder to assemble an orchestra on a whim...) This is just a guess.



Jack:D

[PorkyandDaffy]

Speaking of this cartoon, did CN leave in the part where the devil says, "Who in hell are you" when he sees Sam?

[Jack]

I vaguely recall that line, so I think it's still there, but the cartoon didn't really hold my attention all that long.



Jack:D

[PorkyandDaffy]

Nope. They edited it, and replaced it with "What the devil is your name," yet they left in Bugs' saying “I heard of Hell’s angels, but I never thought I’d see one" from DUMB PATROL.

[Greg Method]

Do we know for a fact that the original line was "Who in hell are you"? I kept my eyes on the Devil's mouth movements and it looked like nothing was dubbed "over." His mouth seemed to match the "What the devil is your name" line (granted by the 1960's they didn't put a lot of detail into mouth articulation).

I know it was originally mentioned as being seen at a drive-in with that line, and I don't want to say anyone is not telling the truth, but it just seems bizarre that nobody else ever reported hearing it.

Unless the original person was thinking of "The Looney Looney Looney Bugs Bunny Movie" in which Sam does say "I'll send him to hell!" in a very similiar segment as "Devil's Feud Cake." Sure, "Devil's" was released in 1963 and the movie in 1981, but still it's a possibility.

After all, there are people who swear up and down that they saw the "butchered baby doll" cover of The Beatles' "Yesterday and Today" LP in stores at the time of its release...which is impossible because that cover was only on the radio promotional copies and was replaced before the record hit stores. I'm just saying sometimes everyone's memory can play tricks on them.

[PorkyandDaffy]

I just rechecked that scene, and you're right, the devil does look like he mouthed "What the devil is your name?" Maybe that was the original line. Anybody here seen the version with the devil saying "Hell"?

[Jon Cooke]

Originally posted by PorkyandDaffy
I just rechecked that scene, and you're right, the devil does look like he mouthed "What the devil is your name?" Maybe that was the original line. Anybody here seen the version with the devil saying "Hell"?


I have been suspicious of this, too... but never changed it, even when I updated the Censored Cartoons Page, because no one ever said anything otherwise to me to confirm or deny it. However, it MAY be possible the Devil said *both*. There seems to be a jump from when Sam goes down the escalator to hell, to the Devil asking "What the devil is your name?". Maybe the Devil originally said something like: "Well, who in hell are you? What the devil is your name?". That's just a guess, though. I don't know for sure...

The original person may have indeed been confusing it with the "Devil's Feud Cake"-type segment from Looney, Looney, Looney. It also should be noted that "Devil's Feud Cake" also inspired an episode of The Bugs Bunny Show from season 2, titled "Satan's Waitin'". Anyone ever see that (I haven't)? Perhaps, that included the line (or something similar)?


-Jon

[Larry T]

Well, Warner Cartoons are not beyond being revoiced with dual versions of soundtracking. Some examples:

Fifth Column Mouse- "Taxes for the Axis" line in the song

Fresh Airedale - the dog owner mentioning "Doing his part for old Uncle Sammy"

Bugs Bunny Rides Again - "...And I ain't no namby-pamby" from "....And I don't mean Mahatma Ghandi"

That's all I can think of for now.

[Mike]

And when "Wild Hare" was reissued, Carole Lombard's name in the list of names Elmer guesses when Bugs covers his eyes is replaced by "Barbara Stanwyck." You can clearly see that the lips don't say "Barbara Stanwyck" and you can hear a slight change in Arthur Q. Bryan's voice.

Mike

[PorkyandDaffy]

..and the reissued version with the whistle replacing the razz in BUGS BUNNY RIDES AGAIN.

[Brandon Pierce]

I think you mean "The Crackpot Quail".

[PorkyandDaffy]

Oops, yeah I did.

But what a time to bring this thread back up. I can even see cobwebs on the old messages.

[Matthew Hunter]

Boy, that has to be one of the more rehashed plotlines of Warner cartoons. Friz Freleng must've liked the send-the-character-to-Hell bit, because he used it in "Satan's Waitin'", "Devils Feud Cake", "The Looney Looney Looney Bugs Bunny Movie", and apparently that Bugs Bunny show mentioned above (I haven't seen that, never even seen a complete episode of that series). With that many rehashes, who knows where or if that line was uttered? It sounds familiar, and Jon's speculation that he said both is quite possible. I do know that "Devils Feud Cake" has to be the worst classic Bugs cartoon ever, it's junk for sure. The other two variations on this plot are enjoyable, at least. These "Hell" cartoons aren't my favorite devil-themed shorts, however. There was a Tom and Jerry cartoon called "Heavenly Puss", which has a genuinely scary bulldog devil and a funny premise, there's the Private Snafu cartoon "Spies', in which Snafu ends up in Hell ("now who in Hell ya s'pose it was who let my secret out?!") , and "The Hole Idea", featuring my favorite gag concerning the Devil: "Isn't it BAD enough down here without HER?!"
-Matthew

[J Lee]

The "Satan's Watin" episode from "The Bugs Bunny Show" was one of my favorites, and stays closer to the version in "The Looney Looney Bugs Bunny Movie" than to "Devils Fued Cake." This was also at a time when Warners did not show the Tweety and Sylvester cartoon of the same name on ABC, so to my young and naive eyes, this was the original version.

The TV version (complete with original soundtracks and voices, with Milt Franklyn and not Bill Lava doing the bridging music) opens with "Hare Trimmed" with Sam going to hell the first time after getting the safe dropped on him. Part II is "Roman Legion-Hare" minus the opening and closing scenes with Emporer Nero -- the cartoon ends with the new animation seen in "Devils Fued Cake" of Sam jumping off the cliff and landing back in Hell (after which we break for commercial). Part III is "Sahara Hare" with the end cut off after Sam is stubborn enough to open all those doors and gets blown back to Hell. The finale is the same as in the shortened 1963 version and the "Looney" movie.

[Greg Method]

Speaking of lines being redubbed in reissues, I'm like 99% sure one of Foghorn's lines in "Crowing Pains" is redone.

But anyway, the one thing we have to remember is that "Devil's Feud Cake" was released in 1963. What was the likelihood of it being reissued before the original studio shut down? :)

[Matt Yorston]

Which one of Foghorn's lines do you think was redubbed?

[Greg Method]

<< Which one of Foghorn's lines do you think was redubbed? >>

"Rooster? If I'm a-I say-if I'm a rooster, I hope to be struck by---well, let me put it another way. Way, that is!"

The mouth doesn't match up towards the end, and Foghorn's voice for this line in the Blue Ribbon reissue is deeper than the usual one Mel used in the late '40's.

Mel's Foghorn voice was rather high-pitched and "twangier" until about 1951.