"WWE RAW" Talkback (Spoilers)

[The Penguin]

SummerSlam (http://forums.toonzone.net/showthread.php?t=148355) is on the books. The legend beat the icon and John Cena is still the WWE Champion. The RAW Superstar are now on their way to Unforgiven next month. Tonight, Ashley Massaro is officially a WWE Diva and Ric Flair will make his return to RAW.


http://www.wwe.com/content/media/touts/feature/29062/1176262
SummerSlam fallout
August 22, 2005

Just one day after SummerSlam, there’s no telling what kind of fireworks will be seen on RAW.

"The Nature Boy" Ric Flair will be Carlito's guest on the Cabana, which will be an unpredictable event, to say the least.

Hulk Hogan, despite being bloodied, defeated Shawn Michaels in a historic main event at SummerSlam.

Meanwhile, John Cena defended the WWE Championship by defeating Chris Jericho. Edge beat Matt Hardy after referee Chad Patton decided a bloody Hardy could no longer continue.

Also, Kurt Angle defeated Eugene and took his Gold Medal back.
Clearly, there should be plenty going down one day after an incredible SummerSlam 2005.

You also won’t want to miss Ashley in her first full Monday night as a RAW Diva! Tune in to Spike TV at 9/8 CT for all this and more!

[Red]

After seeing the first fifteen minutes, trying to figure out what HBK is, I guess he's a DX Face. He the sarcastic little guy in the ring and mic, but lovable when wrestling. And bye bye Jericho =(

[Mike Spartz]

So HBK is a face again and he is feuding with Chris "Masterpiece" Masters. Great. Waving finger of shame now.

[Kasumi]

You know, I would rather have Jericho cut a promo about how he's sick of Cena and says he's leaving. But, we have to get a YOU'RE FIRRRRRRREEEEEEDDDDD~! match instead.

And WTF HBK and Chris Masters. Please don't make them feud. I cannot take Masters seriously. And I liked HBK heel.

[Mike Spartz]

Oh My God.....Benjimin vs Angle....FINALLY!!!!!!! :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

[Kasumi]

I don't care if the rest of RAW sucks butt. That match rocked the house!

And the aftermath with Angle made me a giggly little girl. Glad he didn't hit Shelton.

And Flair on Carlito's Cabana. WOOOOOOO~!

[SirLemming]

Hmm. Maybe Jericho is leaving the federation after all (even though he said he wouldn't). Of course, it could just be a typical WWE "firing" that lasts for about a month.

I know people on the internet will hate it for some reason, but I personally love the fact that HBK's "face or heel" status is hard to figure out. It makes him stand out.
I really wonder what he was trying to say about the Hogan match... Basically he was saying "I let him win" or "That was so fake"! How else can you interpret it? It was bizarre.
I definitely shuddered when Chris Masters came out, but you know what? It turned out to be an entertaining and interesting segment. It was cool how Masters tried to turn the tables on HBK by now being the young upstart challenging the experienced guy, and then how HBK proved that it's not the same type of thing as with him and Hogan.
They could theoretically have a good mid-card feud.

Shelton/Angle was definitely awesome. A good payback for Angle having to wrestle Eugene last night. Sure, he dominated Eugene and came out looking very strong and pretty much demolished the creative team's push for Eugene, but it'll always be a shame that he had to have THAT match at Summerslam.

Kerwin White is stupid and uncomfortable.
So is Gene Snitsky, but on a more basic level.

[VCXZX]

And the burial of Matt Hardy continues.

Bad enough what happened last night, but losing to Rob Conway?!?:confused: :confused: :confused: If there's an upside, at least he gets pops. And the crowd hasn't turned on him.

[SirLemming]

"The burial of Matt Hardy"? It's pretty danged obvious they're setting up a continuation of his feud with Edge, which is the whole reason he's here anyway. Don't be so short-sighted. If Conway lost to a stitched-up and groggy Matt Hardy with Edge & Lita as "psychological interference", he would've been the one getting "buried".

Anyway, speaking of Hardy... wow that was more brutality. Obviously not as much as last night (thank God, seriously), but that was one rough steps spot.

[SirLemming]

There have been a few great moments tonight, but if there weren't, Ric Flair elbow-dropping his own jacket for absolutely no reason would clearly be the highlight.

Wow. I was POSITIVE that wasn't actually going to be John Cena that Eric Bischoff was talking to. I guess I can't say they've never surprised me.

[JShaggy]

"The burial of Matt Hardy"? It's pretty danged obvious they're setting up a continuation of his feud with Edge, which is the whole reason he's here anyway. Don't be so short-sighted. If Conway lost to a stitched-up and groggy Matt Hardy with Edge & Lita as "psychological interference", he would've been the one getting "buried".

Anyway, speaking of Hardy... wow that was more brutality. Obviously not as much as last night (thank God, seriously), but that was one rough steps spot.
All they're doing at this point in the feud between Matt Hardy and Edge is just pouring more and more salt into the wound. The way it looks now, they may be setting up a rematch at Unforgiven. Even with that, it probably won't be the last time the two fight each other.

[VCXZX]

So Torrie and Candice got traded. I wonder who Smackdown got. That makes Candice someone who got traded twice. Sad.

Interesting that they're heels.

EDIT: Christy and Stacy got traded to Smackdown. So that means no more Super Stacy, and no more Eugene with Hemme. Interesting that several angles got dropped all of a sudden.

[Kasumi]

SD! got Stacy and Christy. Great. Trade Christy, the girl who is trying her hardest to learn to wrestle and wants the women's division to improve, and Stacy, who can get the crowd into a match for two girls that don't do anything.

Say goodbye to the tag titles Hurricane and Rosey.

[Pretentious]

Take THAT Christy! That'll teach you to have respect for the business!

[Mike Spartz]

SD! got Stacy and Christy. Great. Trade Christy, the girl who is trying her hardest to learn to wrestle and wants the women's division to improve, and Stacy, who can get the crowd into a match for two girls that don't do anything.

Say goodbye to the tag titles Hurricane and Rosey.Don't give up on Torrie and Candace just yet. I liked their heel presonas tonight and I think given the right storyline they could be very entertaining to watch. As of right now, I'm predicting that Trish will return in the next week or two as Ashley's secret weapon against Candace and Torrie.

[Pretentious]

Wonder if they'll just go full out on giving Torrie and Candice a lesbian gimmick, or if they'll just keep it as blatantly obvious overtones.

[Kasumi]

Take THAT Christy! That'll teach you to have respect for the business! Do you mean Christy or Ashley. Because if you mean Christy then you need to read this fully and thoroughly kthxbai. (http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2003560001-2005380448,,00.html)

And Cena needs to cheat to win. PLEASE!!! It won't happen. I jinxed RAW.

[Pretentious]

I read that a few days back. I see no fallacy in my statement of her having respect for the business.

[VCXZX]

Shawn Michaels, though a face, knocked Hogan. Chris Masters then came out and the two had a funny conversation. Next week its Michaels vs. Masters in a Masterlock Challenge. And I thought Show would be the one who broke the lock.

Kurt Angle and Shelton Benjamin had a great match. One of the year's best.

I guess Matt is as the saying goes "paying his dues". Still the smark in me has some doubts about this.

Nice Flair segment. I wonder and doubt that HHH will be a face too.

For those of you wondering, the new tag-team is Lance Cade (Formerly known as Garrison but now that Lance Storm is gone, he can regain his Lance moniker) and Trevor Murdoch. I see them as winning the World Tag-titles very very soon.

And to the shock of no one, Cena won. And Jericho is Fired. I'll really miss him. I hope he returns some day. http://67.18.37.14/html/emoticons/sad.gif http://67.18.37.14/html/emoticons/sad.gif And at Unforgiven it looks like Angle vs. Cena. Which I pray that Angle wins the title.

[Mike Spartz]

And to the shock of no one, Cena won. And Jericho is Fired. I'll really miss him. I hope he returns some day. http://67.18.37.14/html/emoticons/sad.gif http://67.18.37.14/html/emoticons/sad.gif And at Unforgiven it looks like Angle vs. Cena. Which I pray that Angle wins the title.Y2J will be back, don't you worry about it. His "firing" was so that he could take time away from WWE to tour with fozzy. I'm sure that what happened tonight is all part of his eventual return storyline. The real Jericho wouldn't have begged on national tv to have his job back, he would've just left the ring.

[SirLemming]

John Cena is ruining the federation. Actually, no -- Eric Bischoff is ruining the federation. It wouldn't be the first time. Cena's push is horribly overdone, but Bischoff constantly "stacking the deck" (how many times have they used that phrase in the past few months?!) is far more annoying and unsatisfying than Cena himself. It kills the drama, it doesn't add any. He needs to take a good long break from TV. Why do they think we want to see GMs feud with wrestlers? We want to see WRESTLERS feud with wrestlers! Kurt Angle is up next on the cheapening block! At least, I have to assume he is. I hope I'm wrong. I hope he doesn't have Bischoff following him every step of the way. I'd really like to just see a normal feud for the title again. It's been too long.


All they're doing at this point in the feud between Matt Hardy and Edge is just pouring more and more salt into the wound. The way it looks now, they may be setting up a match at Unforgiven that may spell the end for Version 1 as we know it. What exactly do you want them to do? I mean... Seriously. What do you want? Do you think they shouldn't have re-hired Matt Hardy? If so, fine. If not, I really don't see what you want from them. Matt's feud with Edge could be historic, unlike just about every other scenario they've tried to use him in since Jeff left. I really don't see any better course of action.

[Sigma]

Y2J will be back, don't you worry about it. His "firing" was so that he could take time away from WWE to tour with fozzy. I'm sure that what happened tonight is all part of his eventual return storyline. The real Jericho wouldn't have begged on national tv to have his job back, he would've just left the ring. To my knowledge Jericho will no longer be contracted after the end of this month and will very likely be going to TNA because he is very unhappy with the current WWE product and how he has been treated for the past few years. He begged because that is what the writers had written in for him and he is a man of honor and respect and wouldn't risk screwing up his relationship with the WWE, although if he does go to TNA im sure the higher ups at WWE wouldn't be too happy.

[PaQ]

Most entertaining RAW in awhile. HBK vs. the Masterpiece, I love this type of booking. They certainly have something with Chris Masters and with Shawn Michaels it'll give him a good feud and something to build off of and get over with his character. Two interesting styles will lock horns next week in the challenge. Can't wait.

Benjamin vs Angle was another great decision. That match was hard not to keep your eyes off of it. The sound wrestling moves followed by the sheer brutality of Kurt Angle. Some of those moves by Shelton were just unbelievable and that was a fun match to watch.

Woo Maria. I must say she does a great job with the clueless character and she's mighty fine. On a more disturbed note, I'm not fond of Snitsky's little fetish deal that they seem to keep bringing up. Show/Snitsky was nothing new but it wasn't that bad to watch, best part of the match was that Kane was nowhere to be seen. :p

So Hardy/Edge continues. I guess I shouldn't be too surprised since the next PPV is called Unforgiven. I can see Hardy coming out on top there and moving on hopefully towards Carlito (unless 'Naitch wins it). It seems they're doing the injury ploy with Hardy, much the same way they did with Randy Orton when he was feuding with HHH and he had the glazed eyes all the time.

Carlito/Flair, another move in great unexpected booking. It certainly puts together two contrasting styles and generations. I think that would be an interesting feud if they continue with it, not to mention Flair never holding the IC title. Those two possibly facing off at Unforgiven... now that's cool. ;)

So Cena won the "You're Fired" match, that was expected with Jericho's out of the ring activities, but I thought they did a good job of pulling it off. Not to mention the length of the main event, I had a bad feeling it was going to feel stretched but I didn't get that when it was done. Angle/Cena should be an interesting feud, but his intensity worries me, I'm entertained with Angle's usually moves but if he's keeping the tone that he had with Benjamin, man Cena is in for some brutal times.

Bringing Torrie/Candice over was very surprising.. I was wondering why and how this had come about. Hearing about losing Christy/Stacy to Smackdown over at wwe.com was a bit surprising considering the roles they had as valets at the moment. It'll be interesting to see what they do over on Smackdown and what is in store for the wrestlers they left behind.

[PTurkey]

Hopefully Smackdown! will be Jericho whenever he gets back. It needs him.

Completely useless Diva trade. Smackdown even doesn't use Divas (except Melina). Would've made more sense for SD! to get Tajiri or Hurricane or whatever Raw cruisers there are. But this is WWE and they don't know what's good for them.
Torrie + Candice = PMS 2005.

Hardy needed to do something to save face. A promo, squash, run-in, something.

Masters < Conway in every way. He's been made obsolete already.

Other than that, Raw was swell. Benjamin-Angle was great as expected and Cena-Jericho was suprisingly good (I didn't see SummerSlam, so I don't know how exactly that turned out.)

[BlackoutCreature]

To my knowledge Jericho will no longer be contracted after the end of this month and will very likely be going to TNA because he is very unhappy with the current WWE product and how he has been treated for the past few years. He begged because that is what the writers had written in for him and he is a man of honor and respect and wouldn't risk screwing up his relationship with the WWE, although if he does go to TNA im sure the higher ups at WWE wouldn't be too happy.Ok, where r u getting this from? I have heard that Jericho's contract ends at the end of the month and that he is looking to take time off to tour with Fozzy for a little bit. That said, i have not heard one single reliable source on the internet mention anything about Jericho being that unhappy or him going to TNA, and if they did they usually did it as pure and total speculation. If this was happening it would be all over the place.

I dont know u and i hate to make a statement like this about u, but it seems like ur just reporting wild speculation and fantasy on ur part as actual news in an attempt to forward ur own agenda of TNA superiority. I would ask u not make huge statements like this without something to back it up.

[Sigma]

Ok, where r u getting this from? I have heard that Jericho's contract ends at the end of the month and that he is looking to take time off to tour with Fozzy for a little bit. That said, i have not heard one single reliable source on the internet mention anything about Jericho being that unhappy or him going to TNA, and if they did they usually did it as pure and total speculation. If this was happening it would be all over the place.

I dont know u and i hate to make a statement like this about u, but it seems like ur just reporting wild speculation and fantasy on ur part as actual news in an attempt to forward ur own agenda of TNA superiority. I would ask u not make huge statements like this without something to back it up. Jerichio has said it many times on radio shows and in interviews that he isn't happy with how his character has been used in the WWE. As for TNA that is pure speculation and me just getting excited over the idea of it possibly happening considering Jericho is far and away my favorite wrestler in the WWE.

And as far as my agenda to push TNA as a superior product. I don't need to do that all you have to do is go to TNA's site and watch an episode of Impact and it's quite clear that they are a superior product in sheer quality of matches and talent.

[BlackoutCreature]

Jerichio has said it many times on radio shows and in interviews that he isn't happy with how his character has been used in the WWE. As for TNA that is pure speculation and me just getting excited over the idea of it possibly happening considering Jericho is far and away my favorite wrestler in the WWE.

And as far as my agenda to push TNA as a superior product. I don't need to do that all you have to do is go to TNA's site and watch an episode of Impact and it's quite clear that they are a superior product in sheer quality of matches and talent.I have heard Jericho state he could be doing more for the WWE. I have also heard him state that he is happy with his place there though and feels that he has lived his dream by being a former WWE champion. Him being unhappy at not main eventing as many shows as he would like is a long way off from the bitter guy chomping at the bit to jump to the competition the first chance he gets that ur portraying him as. Im not saying its impossible for him to go to TNA, but its a huge long shot at best right now, not the sure thing u claimed.

And frankly, it doesnt matter whether TNA is the superior product or not. Frankly i cant stand that TNA considers loosely thrown together (albeit spectacular looking) spots with no flow or psychology great matches. Its this kind of Rob Van Dam-wannabe style that i think is ruining wrestling. I much prefer the WWE's style of build and storytelling to there matches. But to each his own. My problem is that ur taking ur personal bias and speculation and reporting it as fact to make ur points, thus destroying ur own argument in the process. Ur not doing urself, Jericho or TNA any favors by stating things like "Jericho is going to TNA" without anything to back it up.

[Pretentious]

To my knowledge Jericho will no longer be contracted after the end of this month and will very likely be going to TNA because he is very unhappy with the current WWE product and how he has been treated for the past few years.
I just checked and he signed a contract extension near the end of the July. So no, he's staying with the WWE.

[Nin-Nin69]

I decided to watch tonight's and boy did Kurt Angle and Shelton Benjamin put on a show. Too bad the rest of the night was an utter disgrace. Yet Angle showing up at the end turned my frown upside down.

As for the Diva search, could they just hire more female wrestlers instead of super models? I'm mean there are women training all over the country begging to be picked up. Even Big Japan and XPW have some outstanding female wrestlers. Not all of the women on WWE have to look perfect.

[Tapout]

I knew HBK was going to get inturruped by someone, but f'n Chris Masters? He's quite possibly my least favorite guy on the roster. In my dream world it would have been RVD, but surely they're not so high on Masters that they're going to waste Shawn Micheal's time with him.


Chavo + MurphMobile = Gold

[JShaggy]

What exactly do you want them to do? I mean... Seriously. What do you want? Do you think they shouldn't have re-hired Matt Hardy? If so, fine. If not, I really don't see what you want from them. Matt's feud with Edge could be historic, unlike just about every other scenario they've tried to use him in since Jeff left. I really don't see any better course of action.First of all, I did NOT say anything about "wanting" something done, and I'm not going to argue with you or anyone here about one person's opinion (PM me if you feel that I'm missing the point). However, I will say these two things:

1) Matt Hardy's re-hiring by the WWE is good for business. He has all the potential to go even further, even if it means getting a title shot in the future.

2) I do agree with you that the feud angle between Matt Hardy and Edge is perhaps the best that they have ever come up with. End of story.

[email2003]

How the heck are you going to trade Stacy from RAW? That trade is bullcrap! SmackDown! first off doesn't even need divas at all since theres no womens division in it.

[DarkHawk]

Pretty good Raw! Now thats how you get newer/young talent over....not by having them wrestle jobbers and squashing them but puttting them in programs with main event wrestlers. That segment did more for Masters in one night then all of his previous matches combined. The Flair/Carlito segment was gold as well....I look forward to seeing a storyline involving them. However I think Flair will become Carlito's manager soon.

Angle-Sheldon A++++ If the WWE has just ONE good length wrestling match like this on every show I would put up with any sports entertainment stuff the rest of the show. Very good balance to tonights show. They need to insert Sheldon in the title picture soon esp if Angle in going for Cena. Btw, that Chavo statement was dumb and I hate when they use race as a part of storylines:sad: (NOD anyone)

Maria is smoking hot but the Gene foot fetish is just wrong lol

I really like Ashley....its not because she's smoking hot but I think she is going to be a good wrestler. Not Molly Holly mind you but i think she will be a Trish level wrestler, who is a good wrestler in her own right. Meh at the diva trade though....who cares about Torrie and Candice

Jericho is NOT going to TNA. As much as I love TNA, they can't afford him and he is going on the road with his band. TNA just needs to focus on their own talent and get them over. I pray to god that the fans start turning on Cena ala Rock and make the WWE turn him heel in his upcoming feud with Angle. The fans are eating up Angles newfound intestity! But if anyone can make Cena look good in the ring its Angle.

Last but not least I feel that they are handling the Matt Hardy/Edge feud great. His "never die" gimmick is a good one and if they had him win every match the fans would stop rooting for him. Conway is on a roll right now and when the fans catch on and he gets over....watch out!!!

[halinar]

So Torrie and Candice got traded. I wonder who Smackdown got. That makes Candice someone who got traded twice. Sad.

Interesting that they're heels.

EDIT: Christy and Stacy got traded to Smackdown. So that means no more Super Stacy, and no more Eugene with Hemme. Interesting that several angles got dropped all of a sudden.
Nice way to drop story lines in mid run. Guess Hurricane isn't her man any more.
Same thing happens with Kane. Poof, story gone. Big show vs Masters... Poof, story over.

This feels like WCW more and more every day now.

[bigddan11]

Well, Stacey never did get her revenge on Victoria, and now she won't have her chance. Big Show breaking the Masterlock would still be interesting, but HBK had better be able to beat on the Masterpiece before that happens. Chris Masters has no right to be pushed the way they are pushing him. He has done absolutely nothing against competitors. HBK will be his first real challenge, and I only say real challenge since they didn't really seem to have Benjamin do his best against Masters.

I really wish they hadn't had Matt get knocked out again at the end of his match. His beating on Edge should have allowed him to come out on top even after he lost the matched.

Jericho has been fired huh. If only RVD hadn't come over to RAW, then if Jericho shows back up on Smackdown!, all the remaining ECW competitors would be on one show, and they could eventually change Smackdown! over to ECW.

Angle vs. Cena looks like it will be good, and it makes me wonder who will win it. You know HHH/ Angle would be a great match-up as they've produced some great matchups before, and HHH did say in the draft that Kurt always deserved to be on the #1 show. Then again they've never done a HHH/ John Cena feud, and Cena is part of the future of the industry.

I'm glad to see they have an actual new tag team coming into the league, but the Diva trade was dull, and so was the ambush. I guess Trish will remain Women's Champ when she returns since she has no real competition.

Over on Smackdown! though you can bet that Melina vs. Christy will be a match to remember, and Smackdown! once again shows just why they have the potential to be a great show if the writers will just get their acts together and stop the stupid storylines. RAW is the same way, but if this weeks matches were anything for the future then RAW is finally headed in the right direction again.

[Supernovametalstar]

I find it amusing that HBK always says he won't lay down for anyone, yet last night he basically said he did just that. And for what reason, I still don't know. But that adds a mystery to the story that can be brought up later. And while I'm not thrilled that a crap wrestler like Masters is getting pushed at all, at least they decided to do it right and have it be against someone that can elevate him. Although this reeks of what happened in WCW with the old vs new blood. I hope they don't overdo that angle. Also note that it's funny Masters made fun of Michaels losing his hair when all the 'roids have made Mastsers go bald in the back.

I missed the first segment of Angle vs Benjamin (damn it), but the rest of the match was great. Even though Shelton lost (again), it was for the overall pushing of a new, aggressive Angle (which I have to admit I didn't see it coming at the end of the night) vying for the title. I hope Cena loses badly.

I love how the announcers were disturbed and saddened that Jericho was begging on his knees for his job. And with Bischoff of all people (whom I had read just yesterday that he and Jericho didn't have the same working relationship when Bischoff went with a different direction for Jericho back in WCW).

I guess it makes sense that they didn't want to have both Diva Search winners on the same show. Although I would have preferred Ashley go to Smackdown (even though it was the RAW Diva Search), but why move Torrie and Stacy? I would have hoped they moved Hurricane and Rosey to Smackdown where the actual tag teams are, but maybe we'll get a unification tag match at Survivor Series or something.

A pretty good show.

[bigddan11]

I guess it makes sense that they didn't want to have both Diva Search winners on the same show. Although I would have preferred Ashley go to Smackdown (even though it was the RAW Diva Search), but why move Torrie and Stacy? I would have hoped they moved Hurricane and Rosey to Smackdown where the actual tag teams are, but maybe we'll get a unification tag match at Survivor Series or something. A pretty good show.
So Smackdown! has tag teams now? Last I saw they had MNM and the Legion of Doom. RAW has Hurricane & Rosey and The Heart Throbs, plus they had that preview for a new tag team last night. It doesn't seem that the tag titles are really an issue for anyone anymore, so I personally am wondering why they just don't get away from the tag division all together.

[Jude Santos]

To my knowledge Jericho will no longer be contracted after the end of this month and will very likely be going to TNA because he is very unhappy with the current WWE product and how he has been treated for the past few years. He begged because that is what the writers had written in for him and he is a man of honor and respect and wouldn't risk screwing up his relationship with the WWE, although if he does go to TNA im sure the higher ups at WWE wouldn't be too happy.
http://www.wwe.com/inside/news/y2jcontract



And frankly, it doesnt matter whether TNA is the superior product or not. Frankly i cant stand that TNA considers loosely thrown together (albeit spectacular looking) spots with no flow or psychology great matches. Its this kind of Rob Van Dam-wannabe style that i think is ruining wrestling. I much prefer the WWE's style of build and storytelling to there matches. But to each his own. My problem is that ur taking ur personal bias and speculation and reporting it as fact to make ur points, thus destroying ur own argument in the process. Ur not doing urself, Jericho or TNA any favors by stating things like "Jericho is going to TNA" without anything to back it up. you can't blame the guy, he loves the product.The guy thinks everything the WWE does is a conspiracy to hold down TNA :sweat: I love TNA as well and I can't wait some years from now when it's a REAL competition for the WWE, but practically, all I've been hearing from TNA fans are "TNA is teh best cuz' the wrestlers fly around teh ring!!!111." The sad part? We're not going to see anything technical in TNA.

[SirLemming]

Nice way to drop story lines in mid run. Guess Hurricane isn't her man any more.
Same thing happens with Kane. Poof, story gone. Big show vs Masters... Poof, story over.

This feels like WCW more and more every day now. It's true, but in those particular cases I don't really mind. I hate the Hurricane angle and everything related to it, and I wish they'd gone with that "You're not really a superhero" thing they appeared to be pushing for a year or two ago. A Big Show vs. anyone feud is pretty much dead-on-arrival, and Masters vs. Michaels seems to shockingly be a very good idea. And the Kane & Lita thing was really over-the-top and made very little sense (since he married her out of evilness but then when she left he was heartbroken all of a sudden, and we're supposed to forget that he used to set J.R. on fire and stuff), and I'll take the Matt Hardy vs. Edge feud over that any day.

[PTurkey]

I'm mean there are women training all over the country begging to be picked up. Even Big Japan and XPW have some outstanding female wrestlers. Not all of the women on WWE have to look perfect.Are you sure you meant XPW and not WXW or UPW or any other promotion that books women? XPW was notorious for using porn stars because its owner was a porn mogul who did Pro Wrestling shows on the side. And it also happens to be dead because he got arrested for illegaly smuggling some of his product across state boarders. The Pennsylvania-based WXW, on the other hand, has a whole "Women's League" with tag champs and an annual tournament. UPW is a little less progressive than WXW, but has a name similar to XPW and is also based in Cali, so I figured you might have gotten confused between the two.

And the whole diva trade saddens me because This (http://shopzone.wwe.com/Product_detail.asp?cat=cat-newreleases&productId=01-07263) cool Hurricane shirt is outdated already.

Cade & Murdoch don't have a Tag Team name? How hard is it to come up with a name for a team of cowboys?

[Tapout]

Cade & Murdoch don't have a Tag Team name? How hard is it to come up with a name for a team of cowboys?
How about the Smoking Gunns?

wait...

[Pretentious]

I'm really hoping they don't do a "gay cowboys" thing with them. Rather, just make them a pair of rednecks who like to beat the crap out of people. Of course, this is the WWE so...

[Jude Santos]

Cade & Murdoch don't have a Tag Team name? How hard is it to come up with a name for a team of cowboys?
Aren't they called TNT? At least that's what they went by during house shows the past 2 months.

[bigddan11]

Aren't they called TNT? At least that's what they went by during house shows the past 2 months.
I don't think they'd be allowed to use the name TNT when it's on television since that is the name of a cable rival (Turner Network Television- We Know Drama), and they'd probably be sued if they did use the name TNT while they're part of the WWE since TNT does have that copyright.

[Jude Santos]

I don't think they'd be allowed to use the name TNT when it's on television since that is the name of a cable rival (Turner Network Television- We Know Drama), and they'd probably be sued if they did use the name TNT while they're part of the WWE since TNT does have that copyright.
I completely forgot about that network. All this while the TNT that I had on my mand were the TNT dynamites I see in cartoons when I was young.

[Sigma]

I have heard Jericho state he could be doing more for the WWE. I have also heard him state that he is happy with his place there though and feels that he has lived his dream by being a former WWE champion. Him being unhappy at not main eventing as many shows as he would like is a long way off from the bitter guy chomping at the bit to jump to the competition the first chance he gets that ur portraying him as. Im not saying its impossible for him to go to TNA, but its a huge long shot at best right now, not the sure thing u claimed.

And frankly, it doesnt matter whether TNA is the superior product or not. Frankly i cant stand that TNA considers loosely thrown together (albeit spectacular looking) spots with no flow or psychology great matches. Its this kind of Rob Van Dam-wannabe style that i think is ruining wrestling. I much prefer the WWE's style of build and storytelling to there matches. But to each his own. My problem is that ur taking ur personal bias and speculation and reporting it as fact to make ur points, thus destroying ur own argument in the process. Ur not doing urself, Jericho or TNA any favors by stating things like "Jericho is going to TNA" without anything to back it up. First off, learn how to spell. It is YOUR not UR.

I never said that Jericho was going to TNA and like I said earlier it is nothing more than pure speculation right now. If I knew for a fact that Jericho was going to TNA I would have started a whole seperate thread for it with a source.

Also what the hell is your problem with TNA's wrestling? Rob Van Dam spotfests? Sure the X Divison has some spots, but that is entertainment. Those X Divison guys also can put on great technical matches just take a look at guys like Christopher Daniels and Alex Shelly.

I don't know you and really have no problem with you, but you come off as a WWE fanboy to me.

If you wish to continue this do it through PMs, but this a RAW Talkback and im going to let it return to that.

[DarkHawk]

Lets keep it civil guys, we all have our opinions of wrestling and I enjoy talking about it with you guys. Lets not attack others based on their opinions....I rather we talk about what we would like to see in WWE/TNA/ROH and such. I have been pretty harsh on the WWE lately myself but I always appreciate them when they have killer matches just like I do when TNA has killer matches. To each their own opinion:)

[New Noise]

Y2J will be back, don't you worry about it. His "firing" was so that he could take time away from WWE to tour with fozzy. I'm sure that what happened tonight is all part of his eventual return storyline. The real Jericho wouldn't have begged on national tv to have his job back, he would've just left the ring.
Of course Y2J will be back. He's had an amazing career. I wouldn't be surprised if he got into the WWE Hall of Fame. That would be cool if he ended up on SmackDown! all of a sudden.

[bigddan11]

Of course Y2J will be back. He's had an amazing career. I wouldn't be surprised if he got into the WWE Hall of Fame. That would be cool if he ended up on SmackDown! all of a sudden.
Well, he was fired from RAW, but Long could easily hire him for SmackDown! if they wanted to send him over.

By the way, apparently SmackDown! is getting a name change this fall while it also moves to Friday.

[Jude Santos]

Well, he was fired from RAW, but Long could easily hire him for SmackDown! if they wanted to send him over.

By the way, apparently SmackDown! is getting a name change this fall while it also moves to Friday.
I peronsally think he'd be back at RAW. Vince might just hire him back, storyline wise.

Is SD! getting a real name change, or is it just being renamed to (form what I've heard) Friday Night Smackdown! ? I'd like a real name change since SD! (with me at least) since it didn't really click...I would have preferred After Burn or Bottom Line.

[Memphis Bleek]

I'm really hoping they don't do a "gay cowboys" thing with them. Rather, just make them a pair of rednecks who like to beat the crap out of people. Of course, this is the WWE so...I think your comment is in reference to the Smoking Gunns. It was a tag team consisting of Bart and Billy Gunn in the mid 90s. They were cowboys and brothers, and their entrance music started with a gun firing. Billy went onto become apart of the New Age Outlaws; he is now Kip James in TNA. Bart was KOed by Butterbean in the "Brawl for it All" during the attitude era. If you already knew this information, you can disregard this post.

[SirLemming]

By the way, apparently SmackDown! is getting a name change this fall while it also moves to Friday. They might as well. It'll kill two birds in one stone, getting rid of the connection to The Rock.

[bigddan11]

I peronsally think he'd be back at RAW. Vince might just hire him back, storyline wise.

Is SD! getting a real name change, or is it just being renamed to (form what I've heard) Friday Night Smackdown! ? I'd like a real name change since SD! (with me at least) since it didn't really click...I would have preferred After Burn or Bottom Line.
The news reports that they are offically adding Friday Night into the title for it to be WWE Friday Night Smackdown! instead of WWE Smackdown!, so it's not much of a change I guess, but they are supposedly going to have more info on it from Theodore Long this week. Also, they've announced the first Friday night showing will indeed September 9 as others speculated. http://www.wrestlinginc.com/winc/html/article14241.shtml

[hobbyfan]

Angle-Benjamin was easily the best match on the card. No way could they top that.

Chris Masters-HBK feud? Someone's afraid Big Show might break Masters in half.

Snitsky's foot fetish? The man needs something better to do.

Lance "Don't call me Garrison" Cade & Trevor Murdoch were very impressive when I saw them in Albany earlier this month. There's your next tag team champs.

Eric Bischoff, I have this message for you. 1996 called, they're sick of you.:mad:

Can Ric Flair pull a 3-4 star match out of Carlito? That'd be cool.;) :cool:

It was common knowledge to most fans that Jericho was leaving for a concert tour, so why a "You're Fired!" match? Because the Uncreative team thinks we're stupid.:mad: Jericho loses some dignity, and you can see by the shocked look on Cena that he didn't think Bisquick would go through with it.

Torrie & Candice turn heel. I guess Trish didn't want to be the bully among the ladies anymore. Stacy's turned in her superheroine costume:sad: :( , but maybe she can be the one to kick Melina's poseur backside.:D :D .

We need someone to offset Bischoff and give Cena someone in his corner. Uh, Hunter, can Stephanie come out and play?:D :D :D

Edge, do us a favor and keep quiet while you're ahead. You keep running your yap, and you'll write a check your body won't cash. Hardy will even the series at Unforgiven, setting up a final battle at Survivor Series.

Sal "Chavo" Guerrero, Jr., please call your service. Your career is over.;)

[Jude Santos]

So I finally watched RAW, and this week's was very good. HBK's promo was, as usual, very good. I think I speak for all when I say that HBK will be on the MAsterlock challenge next week, but after thinking about it, it might be good...I mean, any new wrestler looks like gold when wrestling veterans. IE Cena with Angle when he debuted.

Snitsky encounter with Maria was funny...but that whole thing just gurantees his nomination to wrestlecrap.

Angle-Benjamin was really good. It's stuff like this that the WWE should do more often. Also, this match should be one of my examples whenever someone says cruiserweights can't have a good match without the use of very high risk maneuver's. Different style, but the point is they CAN have a good match without SSP's or 450's.

I'd like to see Flair win the IC title. It would bring honor to the IC belt again...then again the WHC took the place of the IC title so it may never get the honor it once had.

I'm liking the Hardy-Edge feud still...

Finally, that was a nice promo by Cade and Murdoch. And I hope Angle takes the title away from Cena next month.


I never said that Jericho was going to TNA and like I said earlier it is nothing more than pure speculation right now. If I knew for a fact that Jericho was going to TNA I would have started a whole seperate thread for it with a source.

Also what the hell is your problem with TNA's wrestling? Rob Van Dam spotfests? Sure the X Divison has some spots, but that is entertainment. Those X Divison guys also can put on great technical matches just take a look at guys like Christopher Daniels and Alex Shelly.

I don't know you and really have no problem with you, but you come off as a WWE fanboy to me. Not to get in the middle of it, nor not to drag it longer, but your "the sun rises and sets on TNA" attitude is quite annoying. I understand you LOVE the product. I love TNA as well, but personal opinion is that ALL TNA has is their X Division guys. I'm not to fond of their World Title picture for two reasons, 1. they currently have two former ECW and WWE rejects as a main event. Raven's a great wrestler and all, but it's just that I'd rather have AJ Styles, The Truth (which is an exception to what I call a "WWE reject") or even Samoa Joe as World Champion. The second is that the NWA title (IMO) to me doesn't seem all that prestigous anymore. Honestly, the title practically went nowhere after WCW pulled out of the NWA? I'd rather have TNA throw out the NWA title and make a TNA Heavyweight Champion. Regardless, TNA does have better wrestling than WWE, but in terms of storyline? WWE all the way. As for seeing technical stuff on TNA? Suuuuure.

As for Jericho, he's not going anywhere. At least that's what he said to WWE.com (I posted the link in my prior post)

[The Penguin]

Pretty good RAW this week. Felt like there were a lot more matches which is a good thing.

I shared HBK’s look of shock/laughter when Chris Masters interuppted him. The Masterpiece skipped like three steps here, he hasn’t even had an upper mid-card feud yet.

I thought it looked like there was at least a brief moment there when Jericho didn’t look thrilled with Bischoff’s “you’re fired” match.

Angle and Benjamin was indeed “one hell of a wrestling match.” The thought that there could be a good series of matches in the former collegiate wrestlers made me wish there was a feud in the future, but time will tell.

I’m glad to see they are actually using Kerwin White now and I liked his appearance last week on HEAT, but I don’t see how WWE thinks it okay to have a Hispanic act like he’s caucasian and an obvious racist, but it’s not okay to have an Arab-American who is proud of his heritage and hates racism despite a possibly skewed perspective.

Maria apparently has the IQ of the 12-year-old girl. :shrug: I loved watching Big Show take Snitsky to task though. That was one big foot!

:eek: Man, that was a brutal they way Edge smashed Matt between the ring and the steps. I don’t care who ya are, that is gonna hurt.

You don’t spit in the face of Ric Flair, Carlito. I was almost shocked that Carlito had the coconuts to send the apple chunks the way of the Nature Boy. Flair taught the young man a small lesson in respect though.

Well Show beat Snitsky by a count out, but I was more distracted by how King and Coach just tag team on JR now. The key to the three-man booth is you have a face and heel with the play-by-play man in the middle. Gorilla, Heenan & Piper, that was a three man team. The color guys are supposed to fight with each other, not the play-by-play man. He’s in the middle to separate them.

Not since PMS (Pretty Mean Sisters) have we had a duo of hot women set to run roughshod over the WWE and this promises to be even better because neither of them are Jacqueline (which increases the hotness by a factor of 10). I was a bit let down to see that Torrie and Candice just played the part of Molly Holly and Gail Kim with Ashley playing the part of Christy.

…However, the news that Christy and Stacy got sent to SmackDown! severly hurt my excitement and interest in this angle. Christy makes perfect sense to me (despite my liking her with Eugene) because they don’t want Ashley to have to compete with her predecessor. Stacy really upsets me though, she has been perfect with The Hurricane and I get tired of the Divas being simple eye candy—I like to see them in the storylines and not just in catfights with each. That and seeing ‘Super Stacy’ on the arm of a comic book geek just gives a good feeling.

I figured Bischoff would go the vindictive route and send Y2J packing. The begging and being carried out by security worked well with what Jericho has become. It also showed that Eric Bischoff is single-minded in quest to destroy John Cena and no one, certainly not Chris Jericho, is going to stand in his way.



Jericho has been fired huh. If only RVD hadn't come over to RAW, then if Jericho shows back up on Smackdown!, all the remaining ECW competitors would be on one show, and they could eventually change Smackdown! over to ECW.I wouldn't hold my breath for this one. ECW had a cult following. The memories are postive and One Night Stand was a hit, but I have serious doubts about ECW being able to sustain itself as a full-time product again.


And as far as my agenda to push TNA as a superior product. I don't need to do thatSo is that starting now or something?


this a RAW Talkback and im going to let it return to that.Is that a promise? Because personally I would rather talk about WWE in the WWE talkbacks than have to put up "TNA would do this better" or "This guy would be better off in TNA" Every. Single. Friggin. Week.

[Pretentious]

As I've said before in various other forums (and around friends): Kerwin White is money.

And Maria is so ridiculously adorable with that bimbo gimmick.