Smash Bros. Revolution prediction and speculation thread

[Andrew T. Hingson]

I've compiled what I think is a pretty decent character list. Some characters are far more likely than others. Not all of these characters are my personal preference but I also took into account what were popular suggestions from previous speculation lists of SSB games.

Here's 50 characters plus 5 super hard to get licensed characters which I believe are essential (well at least a few them are) for series other than ones Nintendo owns.

I even mention how you can get them.

NOTE to those of you who aren't familiar with my fantasy threads this is NOT the real deal. Just some fun speculation. Feel free to comment and make suggestions so that I may improve the list if needed. Or post your own ideas. (they don't have to be as ellaborate as mine).

Feel free to suggest levels, items and playing modes as well. Remember this game will be able to go online so it could have some features previous SSB games never could.

Here's the list:

Mario
*Dr. Mario - (complete classic or adventure with Mario)
*Luigi - (acquired through special circumstances)
Peach
Bowser
Yoshi
Wario
*Walugi - (complete classic or adventure with Luigi)
*Toad - (complete classic or adventure with Peach)
Doneky Kong
*Diddy Kong - (complete classic or adventure with Donkey Kong)
*King K. Rool - (complete adventure with DK and Diddy as well as 10 other characters)
Link
Zelda / Shiek
Ganondorf (new moves)
*Young Link / Oni Link or Wind Waker Link - (complete classic with Link, Zelda, Ganondorf and 7 other characters)
Fox
Falco
*Slippy Toad - (complete classic and adventure with Fox and Falco)
Krystal
*Andross - (complete 20 challenge melee's)
Kirby
King DeDeDe
*Meta Knight - (complete classic or adventure with Kirby)
Pit
*The Eggplanet Wizard - (complete classic or adventure with Pit)
Ness
*Poo - (complete 30 challenge melee's)
Captain Falcon
*Mr EAD or Samurai Goroh - (complete all bonus modes)
Ice Climber
Samus
*Ridley - (complete classic or adventure with Samus)
Pikachu
Mew Two
*Jiggly Puff - (complete classic or adventure with anyone)
Marth
*Roy - (complete classic or adventure with Marth)
Lynn
*Ike - (complete adventure with 40 characters)
Issac
*Alex - (complete 40 challenge melee's)
Jenna or Mia
*Little Mac - (complete classic with 25 characters)
*King Hippo or Bald Bull - (complete classic or adventure with Little Mac)
*Mach Rider - (complete classic or adventure with Captain Falcon)
*Mike Jones - (complete classic or adventure with Issac)
*Zoda - (complete classic with 35 characters)
*Captain Olimar - (complete adventure with 24 characters)
*Mr. Game & Watch - (complete classic with 24 characters)

EXTREMELY HARD TO GET CHARACTERS:

Sega's Sonic - (complete adventure with 50 characters)

Namco's Pac Man - (complete classic with 50 characters)

Hudson's Bomberman - (aquired through special circustances much like Luigi)

Konami's Simon Belmont - (complete all melee challenges)

Capcom's Mega Man - (complete all-star mode with every other character)


Pichu is ommited. I would also ommit Dr. Mario but he's even more popular than Super Mario apparently.

[Yash]

Sonic the Hedgehog.

The master has spoken!

Oh yeah, Sonic Adventure. Haha. Was that intentional?

[Rurouni Kenshin]

Pretty good, although Diddy and Walugi aren't really needed. Some more Kirby characters would be nice, and having some people from Golden Sun is a great idea Sketch. Just curious has this game actually been announced yet?

[Chad Bonin]

We do know that they are setting up an online Super Smash Bros. game for the launch of the Revolution. Sketch's list is both highly fictionalized and fanbased.

Although, given all the comments in the past, I would 99% expect Sonic The Hedgehog in the game.

[Andrew T. Hingson]

Yeah I'd say its VERY likely Sonic and Pac Man will be in the game and entirely possible Mega Man will be in it as well. Sonic for comment, Pac Man for being in Mario Kart arcade and Mega Man because Capcom like to follow suit...

Diddy is a character I'd like to have. He'd be fun to be. That's only 3 DK characters.

Waluigi isn't the least bit neccessary. Neither is Dr. Mario IMO but both are very popular so doc probably wont go and Waluigi will join. I'd make sure Wario and Waluigi didn't not fight anything like Mario and Luigi do. Same goes for Slippy.

IMO I filled out the Kirby roster well enough. Meta Knight is a stretch but since he's awesome I through him in there. Only Kirby and DeDeDe are neccessary. But what suggestions do you have for more Kirby characters Kenshin?

I just realized I don't have any Advance Wars characters. I suppose it should have at least one. Since having Star Tropics characters in the game is merely a pipe dream I could always replace them with Advance Wars characters.

Golden Sun is wicked awesome. IMO it's a must have for the game.

Why yes Sonic - (adventure) was intentional as was Pac Man - (classic).

IMO the greatest SSBR design would be for it to have a way to download levels and characters in the future so the list could continue to build and you could even customize the characters you have. That wouldn't be easy to do but it could work similar to expansions for Xbox Live games. They probably have to make it so those characters could only be used in multiplayer modes so nothing outside of the orignial programed set would affect the statis of the game save. Smash Bros. has just about reach it's height in gameplay aspects so just making the character roster isanely large and expandable would keep this one in top shape until the next system comes along and they up the graphics.

[the Amanda]

Ooh fun! Smashy smashy!

Anyhoo, characters. I don't think they'll get rid of any characters. Maybe Dr. Mario and Falco, because they're the most indistinguishable from their counterparts, or Pichu because he kind of sucks, but then they might implement new move sets for these.

New characters and changes to old characters:
Captain Olimar -- Fighting with Pikmin! How could Nintendo resist? Particularly since it's the only new franchise they've had since original SSBM.
Wario -- Wario has only grown more popular since the original SSBM, thanks to WarioWare. I hope he's in his WarioWare outfit for this. It'll be easy to give him a different moveset than Mario and Luigi so this is a no-brainer addition.
Ganondorf -- Not a new character, but I'm guessing that they'll give him his own move set and he won't be a clone of Captain Falcon any more. Maybe he'll even use that giant sword he carries for no reason.
Link & Zelda -- Will of course be in the game, but probably in Twilight Princess style. Link might gain a transformation feature similar to Zelda's, except into a wolf.
Young Link -- Perhaps will be in Wind Waker style, to further differentiate this character from regular Link.
Meta Knight -- If they're going to give another character from Kirby, it has to be Meta Knight.
Diddy Kong -- Smaller, faster, better Donkey Kong. Sweet.
Dixie Kong -- Is different enough from Donkey and Diddy to warrant her inclusion. Besides, she's my favorite Kong. I'd put her in. :D
Little Mac -- I know exactly jack squat about Punch Out but I've heard enough people whine about its exclusion from SSBM to know it should be a contender
Kid Icarus -- Ditto the explanation for Little Mac. Kid Icarus looks like he'd be fun to play anyway.
Sonic -- They've certainly teased us enough about this one, and I've heard a lot about how Sega was fine with this but they ran out of time to do the characters justice. They've had enough time. Give us the Blue Blur!
Tails -- You just can't have Sonic without Tails. Duh.
Knuckles -- Oh, come on. His special ability is punching (and gliding). He'd be an even better SSBM character than Sonic or Tails. The fans love Knuckles. If they put in Sonic and Tails without Knuckles, I don't know what they're thinking.
Mega Man -- I wish.
Protoman -- As long as I'm wishing...
Andross -- More villains, please.
Cackletta & Fawful -- Okay, I know this one isn't going to happen. But it would rule and you know it.
Prince Peasley -- Ditto this.
Kat and Ana -- Kindergarten Ninjas! Who could resist? They'd have similar mechanics to Ice Climbers. But they'd be ninjas. Tiny ninjas.
Mona -- Only if she comes with her motorscooter.
Ashley -- She knows the darkest spells and she brews the meanest potions. You might be the ingredient she seeks.
Jimmy T -- DISCO HAIR ATTACK!
Tom Nook -- You know you want to beat him up.

[Noukon]

Just as long as they include Pit this time, I'll be happy.

Captain Olimar would be an awesome addition, if they balanced him well enough.

[Andrew T. Hingson]

Indeed, cheating us out of Pit from Kid Icarus was a crime!

Also... why not Wario instead of Dr. Mario and why on earth make a clone of Pikachu?

There are some things about SSB:M's character roster than I'll never quite understand.

[Yash]

Preferably I'd like it if Sonic, Tails, and Knuckles to be the original Segasonic models.

They could even put in their Sonic the Fighters moves.

[the Amanda]

Also... why not Wario instead of Dr. Mario and why on earth make a clone of Pikachu?

There are some things about SSB:M's character roster than I'll never quite understand.
I would think that the answer to the first question was that they ran out of time to make Wario and therefore made Dr. Mario, who was almost exactly like Mario and therefore easier to code. It's pretty obvious that they ran out of time on SSBM. I mean, do you think that the plans to include Ganondorf originally had him as a Captain Falcon clone? It's just a rather bizarre kluge.

[Spike Mcdougal]

All the roster from SSBM minus Pichu and Dr Mario. Jigglypuff can stay since I need a punching bag. Gannondorf has new attacks and his sword.

New Characters

Wario (With Spinning Piledriver)
Waluigi
Toad
Daisy
Birdo
Diddy Kong
Krystal
Wolf
Meta Knight
Pit
Samurai Goroh
Lynn
Sonic the Hedgehog

[Andrew T. Hingson]

Preferably I'd like it if Sonic, Tails, and Knuckles to be the original Segasonic models.

They could even put in their Sonic the Fighters moves.
I'd like Knuckles but he isn't essential but Tails, why people bring him up boggles my mind. He isn't the least bit neccessary and quite frankly he'd be wasting good space for other non-Nintendo characters.

[Zach]

When you say Mike Jones, do you mean like in Startropics? :):D:anime::p PLEASE TELL ME YES! (I hope he is in there.)

Other than that, this is a good list. I'll make one here soon. I love fantasy threads. :anime:

[Yash]

I'd like Knuckles but he isn't essential but Tails, why people bring him up boggles my mind. He isn't the least bit neccessary and quite frankly he'd be wasting good space for other non-Nintendo characters.Because Knuckles is cool.

Besides, it's better than like... Shadow or Metal Sonic. Right?

[Demonic Raven]

Basically what you guys have been mentioning for characters are spot on. Some others I haven't seen...

Shadow the Hedgehog- He'd probably be a Sonic clone above all else (...gameplay wise!) but there is a few things he has that Sonic doesn't. Namely, Chaos Control (Shadow uses it alot more prominently than Sonic) and a gun from the upcoming Shadow game.
Mario and Luigi- Yes, both bros as one character, based off of Mario and Luigi Superstar Saga. They had a ton of moves together, which included the awesome Bros Attacks, and it would be a worthy and unique addition.
Bowletta- I saw Aurora mention Cackletta, Fawful, and Prince Peasley...but poor old dual-gendered (O_o) Bowletta was sadly left out. ;)
Gannondorf w/ Sword: Gah! They had the sword in one of his victory poses, but there is no way to pull it out for the actual game! It looks way too badass to be left out again.
Gannondorf w/ transformation- Let the evil pig Ganon be reborn!

That's all my brain can pull out for now.

[Zach]

Here's a list I have compiled.

Mario
Luigi- Beat classic with Mario, Peach, Bowser, and Yoshi
Toad- Beat Classic with Luigi
Peach
Bowser
Yoshi
Fox
Falco
General Pepper- Beat classic with Fox and Falco 3 times each
Samus
Kirby
Eliwood
Lyn- Beat classic with Eliwood
Felix- Win 10 challenges
Jenna- Win 30 challenges and win Classic with Felix
Issac- Beat classic with Felix and Jenna
Wario- Win all challenges
Waluigi- Beat Adventure and Classic with Wario
Mr. Game and Watch
Ness- Beat classic with anyone
Paula- Beat Adventure with Ness
Ice Climbers
Link
Zelda
Wind Waker Link- Beat adventure with Link and win 40 challenges
Koopa
Pikachu
Charmander- Beat classic and adventure with Pikachu
Ganon- Beat classic with Link and Zelda
Dr. Mario- Beat Adventure with Mario

This list probaly isn't accurate, but hey, whatever. I was also thinking that some super exclusive characters could only be unlocked some how thorugh online play. Official Tournaments could also be held by Nintendo to unlock exclusive characters as prizes.

[Conekiller]

Another SSB prediction thread, another chance for me to pimp out the Koopalings!

also, a playable Blaziken would be sweet.

Include a Fluud item pick up, and make Luigi's Vacuum essential to his play mechanics (to separate him from Mario, and possibly Wario)

and for the love of Miyamoto, give Gannondorf different moves.

(I secretly want Captain N in the game)

[Andrew T. Hingson]

Captain N would be tight! He should at least be a trophy.

No Shadow, absolutely no Shadow. He's an even worse choice than Tails. Sonic and Knucles are all the Sonic characters I'd want in a Smash Bros. game unless of course it's a SSB VS Sega game. Oh yeah and who wants SSB VS Jump Super Stars? I know I do!

I was speaking of Star Tropics. But since US exclusive I doubt Mike Jones and Zoda would end up in Smash Bros. Which IMO isn't fair because they're cool characters and just as good as any of the Japanese exclusives like Marth and Roy (and boy do I love to play as Roy!).

[the Amanda]

Basically what you guys have been mentioning for characters are spot on. Some others I haven't seen...

Shadow the Hedgehog- He'd probably be a Sonic clone above all else (...gameplay wise!) but there is a few things he has that Sonic doesn't. Namely, Chaos Control (Shadow uses it alot more prominently than Sonic) and a gun from the upcoming Shadow game.
Mario and Luigi- Yes, both bros as one character, based off of Mario and Luigi Superstar Saga. They had a ton of moves together, which included the awesome Bros Attacks, and it would be a worthy and unique addition.
Bowletta- I saw Aurora mention Cackletta, Fawful, and Prince Peasley...but poor old dual-gendered (O_o) Bowletta was sadly left out. ;)
Gannondorf w/ Sword: Gah! They had the sword in one of his victory poses, but there is no way to pull it out for the actual game! It looks way too badass to be left out again.
Gannondorf w/ transformation- Let the evil pig Ganon be reborn!

That's all my brain can pull out for now.
Love the idea of duel Mario and Luigi (I'd still want actual Mario and Luigi as separate characters, of course). Bowletta is a cool idea, but I mostly just want Fawful. The other characters will have to taste the mustard of doom! And Ganondorf with transformation is a cool idea.


I'd like Knuckles but he isn't essential but Tails, why people bring him up boggles my mind. He isn't the least bit neccessary and quite frankly he'd be wasting good space for other non-Nintendo characters.
I think Knuckles would be a better SSB character than either Sonic or Tails, because he's built for brawling, so I have to disagree with the "non essential" thing. As for Tails, Tails is just cool and I can't be the only one who loves the little fox sidekick. How about Sonic and Tails as a team, the way God and oldskool Sega intended?


Include a Fluud item pick up, and make Luigi's Vacuum essential to his play mechanics (to separate him from Mario, and possibly Wario)
This is a great idea, although the Vacuum would be a cool pickup item too, assuming they make Luigi different enough from Mario and Wario. But Fluud as a pickup item is genius.

I hope they don't stuff this game full of more Pokemon characters. Pikachu and Jigglypuff are okay, but Pokemon characters just aren't that interesting to me. They can have a greater range of Pokemon in the Pokeballs, though. I love Pokeballs.

Other cool items: Pikmin (although this would probably be Olimar's special rather than an item you can pick up). Magnets (it's not from a game. You could use it to attract other players and then beat them up). Butterfly net (Animal Crossing; would briefly stun or capture the person hit with it).

Here's another character idea: Admiral Bobbery from Paper Mario 2.

[Xerroo]

You know....call me crazy....very crazy but I was hoping that the next Smash Brothers would become a joint venture between Revolution, Sony Playstation 3, and Xbox 360. It would be the last and only SSBM game to be on all 3 consoles and it would include up to over 300 playable characters from games all over.

Here is a sample of some of the characters.

*Breathes in*

Mario
Lugui
Peach
Bowser
Wario
Yoshi
Baby Bowser
Donkey Kong
Diddy Kong
Link
Zelda
Young Link
Sheik
Gannondorf
Samus
Ridley
Kirby
MetaKnight
King Dedede
Fox
Falco
Krystal
Pikachu
Igglybuff
Pichu
Mewtwo
JigglyPuff
Dexyos
C.Falcon
Samuri Gorah
Ness
Ice Climbers
Roy
Marth
Guys from River City Ransom
Game and Watch
Dr.Mario
Banjo Bear
Mumbo Jumbo
Conker Squirll
Buzz Bumble
Chemelion
Boy & Girl from Jet Force Gemini
Glover
Pocky and Rocky
Joanna Dark
That Big dude from Pilotwings 64
Sonic
Tails
Knuckles
Shadow
Chaos Zero
Nights
Nights Rival
Toejam
Earl
Alixea
Ristar
Dynamite Headdy
Vectorman
R.O.B
Joe and Mac
Bonk
Boy from Phantsy Star Online
Polk
Bubsy Bobcat
Crash
Coco
Crunch
Cortex
Jak
Gal
Ty
Spyro
Hunter
Ripto
Frogger
Gex
Rez
Croc
Rayman
Raizel
Nitros
Haven
That girl from Panzer Dragon Orta
The guy from Devil May Cry
Maximo
Shmune
Lance Vance
Sir Daniel Fortesque
Ly
Sly Cooper
Blinx
Abe
Munich
Rachet
Vexx
Lord Panthor
Solid Snake
Tommy Vercetti
Max Payne
Bull from S.O.E
Sweet Tooth
Lara Croft
Aynstax
Little Mac
Pit
Aclurd
Kain
Tomba
Bomberman
Rival from Bomberman Hero
Black leader from Bomberman 64
Serious Sam
Joshua Fireseed
Adon
Primagin
Duke Nukem
Pig Cop
Bn the caveman
Aero the Acrobat
X
Zero
Vile
Sigma
Striker
Omnishua
EWJ
Psycrow
Boogerman
Boogermeister
Clayton
Carl Johnson
Sig
Errol
Axl

I also realize this will never EVER EVER happen.

[Andrew T. Hingson]

I think Knuckles would be a better SSB character than either Sonic or Tails, because he's built for brawling, so I have to disagree with the "non essential" thing. As for Tails, Tails is just cool and I can't be the only one who loves the little fox sidekick. How about Sonic and Tails as a team, the way God and oldskool Sega intended?

I hope they don't stuff this game full of more Pokemon characters. Pikachu and Jigglypuff are okay, but Pokemon characters just aren't that interesting to me. They can have a greater range of Pokemon in the Pokeballs, though. I love Pokeballs.

Knuckles is a better fighter than either Sonic or Tails but by "non essential" I meant he isn't one of Sega's main mascots. If you had more than one Sonic character then for sure Knuckles would be essential but Sonic (despite not working as well) is more essential than Knuckles.

Here's a random thought though... Since Sonic's home these days seems to be the Gamecube and on Nintendo consoles in general it's possible they could have many Sonic characters just for kicks. Then and only then I'd have Tails and Shadow and also Eggman.

I have to agree with your thoughts on Pokemon. JP is fun, Pika is the mascot and Mew Two is the best possible choice for a Pokemon for fighting with. Maybe another humanlike Pokemon like Blazaken would be okay but honestly I'd prefer it just be Pikachu, Jiggly and Mew Two with the Pokeball's taking care of the rest of the Pokemon they'd want to include in the game.

[the Amanda]

Knuckles is a better fighter than either Sonic or Tails but by "non essential" I meant he isn't one of Sega's main mascots. If you had more than one Sonic character then for sure Knuckles would be essential but Sonic (despite not working as well) is more essential than Knuckles.

Here's a random thought though... Since Sonic's home these days seems to be the Gamecube and on Nintendo consoles in general it's possible they could have many Sonic characters just for kicks. Then and only then I'd have Tails and Shadow and also Eggman.

I have to agree with your thoughts on Pokemon. JP is fun, Pika is the mascot and Mew Two is the best possible choice for a Pokemon for fighting with. Maybe another humanlike Pokemon like Blazaken would be okay but honestly I'd prefer it just be Pikachu, Jiggly and Mew Two with the Pokeball's taking care of the rest of the Pokemon they'd want to include in the game. If Sega allows Sonic to appear in the game, I don't see why they wouldn't allow any other member of the Sonic cast in. I could see them including Tails just because he'd be easy to program, as he'd mostly be a Sonic clone. Knuckles is a bit more complicated as he really needs a totally unique moveset (except perhaps the jump and spindash) from Sonic, but it would be so cool. Knuckles is a fan favorite and probably more popular than Tails so I really hope he'd make it in. I could care less about Shadow, but then I'm not a fan of the 3D games. Eggman in a giant mecha would be a cool boss character along the lines of Master Hand and Giga Bowser. I hope we see Master Hand return, though.

I can't agree that Mewtwo is the best Pokemon to fight with, but then Mewtwo is my worst character to play with (along with Bowser). Pikachu is far superior and even Jigglypuff can wipe the floor clean with more ease. I would not want to see more than two new Pokemon characters, particularly if they decide to keep Pichu. Maybe Charizard. Maybe.

[Swonker]

Characters I'd like to see:

Sonic: Based on previous comments, he probably is going to be in it.
Fawful: I Have Fury!!! 'nuff said!
Vivian: I'm surprised all you Paper Mario:TYD fans haven't mentioned her yet.
Issac: Golden Sun is fantastic!
Mia: See above.
Felix: Ditto

There are probably more I'd want to see, but they'd make the list far too long.;)

[Andrew T. Hingson]

I think it's more along the lines of the fact that MewTwo is one of the coolest Pokemon ever created and so many people wanted to be him. The problem is he is tough as nails to play as and uber annoying when someone knows how to use him. But he should be there. Pikachu has always been more my style. He was always my best character in the first SSB. Jiggly is a lot of fun to be and makes for the best punching bag ever. Actually Pichu made a good punching back but in more of a "I'm hitting this thing because I can" sitution. Kinda like JP in the first Smash Bros. Now JP has a very nifty move set and even without the B down attack you can do some good damage if you're clever enough. Heck... how many people could have beat the last event match without using JP?

It's not a matter of allowing more characters it's a matter of overdoing it with 3rd party characters. IMO reguardless of how good or bad they would be at fighting... Sonic, Pac Man and Mega Man are must haves because they are legendary. If they want to have more than just Sonic then Knuckles would be my first choice but SSBM had enough "clone" action already so if they have Tails he needs to be different than Sonic and even then he's still not neccessary.

[the Amanda]

You're right about Mewtwo being cool looking but hard as nails to play. I really want to like Mewtwo, but argh! It's kind of fun to beat newbs with Mewtwo, though, because they never know quite what to make of him, especially if you start teleporting around and hitting them with those stun beams. Mewtwo also has the second coolest throw in the game (after Kirby's up throw). And he looks awesome when psychically holding objects. You know, I guess I do like Mewtwo when I'm not getting my ass kicked as him / by him. :p I confess that I actually prefer Kirby as a punching bag than Jigglypuff because they're both round puffy pink things but Kirby looks so adorably cute when he absorbs other character's powers (except for Mewtwo and Falco Kirby, they're kind of freaky).

To be honest, the clone thing never bothered me in the original SSB. The only clones that bothered me is Dr. Mario (cool looking but far too similar to regular Mario), Falco (he's cool and all but again way too similar to Fox), and Ganondorf (because Ganondorf being a clone of Captain Falcon of all people is mindboggling, plus you can't use his sword). Marth / Roy, Mario / Luigi, and (IMO) Link / Young Link are different enough to make the cloning worthwhile. Pichu is very different from Pikachu and essentially a gimmick, so whatever. I honestly wouldn't mind some more clones if we can get spiffy, unique variations on characters. I'd like to kick some ass with Paper Mario, hehehe.

Sonic and Mega Man would rock the house but... Pac Man? Even if you use the version with arms and legs he's still not exactly a fighter, is he? That's just strange. I'd prefer Tails and Knuckles and some extra Megaman characters too (Protoman. Bass. Roll.). Maybe Protoman as a "color swap" of Mega Man -- I honestly think that Daisy is only good as a color swap of Peach, for instance.

Oh, and I want MORE ENEMIES IN CRATES! It's so cool to get a Redead in a crate and toss it at someone. I'd like to see crates full of Boos and other traditional Mario enemies, plus more of everything they had in the first game. Metroid in a crate? Oh yeah. How about Spotted Bulborbs from Pikmin that chomp on your characters and spit them out again?

[Andrew T. Hingson]

Metroid in a crate. Oh the madness! So many people would get freak'n pissed at those buggers. It'd be great to have them in a crazy 4 player match. Everyone screaming cause they can't get the bloody things off their heads. Ah man... good times.

Well when you think about it. Many of the characters in Smash Bros. wouldn't work as conventional fighters. I mean they make up all of Captain Falcon's moves... he sure never did any of those in F-Zero's anime. Pac Man is an icon, and thus he should be in the game if they allow 3rd party characters. Mega Man and Sonic are simply more conventional but they could make Pac Man work as a joke character with weak looking attacks that do surprisingly large amounts of damage. And of course he could do a chomp attack for one of his special moves. Pac Man would look silly but lets face it... throw as many "mature" characters in there as you want and SSB will still be silly.

The thing about Dr. Mario is this... He was entirely unneccessary but now no one plays as Mario and everyone likes Dr. Mario better. He plays better. Mairo and Luigi feel too similar besides Luigi's extra moves which they kinda threw in their just to try to make him different but Dr. Mario and Luigi are different enough for both to exist. Regular Mario is average and that's good I suppose but Luigi could be average and Mario could have more power. So take the gameplay of Dr. Mario and apply it to Mario and you'll have a Mario more people will want to play as. Kinda think of it... chances are people would still rather play as Dr. Mario because lets face it his clothes are awesome and you make them all black too! (which I call Mafia Mario)

Speaking of which here's a silly quote I came up with the other day

"I'm not a real doctor., I just play one on Smash Bros."

[Noukon]

Regarding 3rd party characters (such as Sonic, MegaMan, Pac-Man): It would be absolutely awesome if the aforementioned three characters were included as extras in the new SSB game. However, I don't think a larger number of non-Nintendo characters should be added.

The aforementioned three characters would add some very cool novelty value to the game (since all three are mascots just as legendary as Mario, Link, and the like). Throwing in half a dozen Sonic characters, though, would make the game less what it's supposed to be: a (very fun) showcase of Nintendo nostalgia. Once it starts down the path of including tons of third-party characters, then it will always feel like it's incomplete, and missing something.

Just a thought.

[the Amanda]

Metroid in a crate. Oh the madness! So many people would get freak'n pissed at those buggers. It'd be great to have them in a crazy 4 player match. Everyone screaming cause they can't get the bloody things off their heads. Ah man... good times.

I'm laughing just thinking about it. Speaking of enemies in crates, I'd like to have the option to have "enemies" be one of the items you can tweak. I love Pokeball-only battles -- imagine an "enemies" only battle with enemies on high. Madness indeed!



Well when you think about it. Many of the characters in Smash Bros. wouldn't work as conventional fighters. I mean they make up all of Captain Falcon's moves... he sure never did any of those in F-Zero's anime. Pac Man is an icon, and thus he should be in the game if they allow 3rd party characters. Mega Man and Sonic are simply more conventional but they could make Pac Man work as a joke character with weak looking attacks that do surprisingly large amounts of damage. And of course he could do a chomp attack for one of his special moves. Pac Man would look silly but lets face it... throw as many "mature" characters in there as you want and SSB will still be silly.

Good point, but I still can't wrap my brain around Pac Man in Smash Bros. I'm sure it would be fine if I saw it, but still... I'd rather have more Sonic characters.



The thing about Dr. Mario is this... He was entirely unneccessary but now no one plays as Mario and everyone likes Dr. Mario better. He plays better. Mairo and Luigi feel too similar besides Luigi's extra moves which they kinda threw in their just to try to make him different but Dr. Mario and Luigi are different enough for both to exist. Regular Mario is average and that's good I suppose but Luigi could be average and Mario could have more power. So take the gameplay of Dr. Mario and apply it to Mario and you'll have a Mario more people will want to play as. Kinda think of it... chances are people would still rather play as Dr. Mario because lets face it his clothes are awesome and you make them all black too! (which I call Mafia Mario)

Speaking of which here's a silly quote I came up with the other day

"I'm not a real doctor., I just play one on Smash Bros."

Not everybody prefers the Doc, but you're right that they have to keep him for the fans now. It's a shameless clone but when he's better than the real thing it's hard to want to get rid of him. Honestly I'd be upset if they got rid of any character except perhaps for Pichu (both a clone and a joke). I'm afraid Ice Climbers or Game & Watch might get the axe and I love those characters so. :(


Regarding 3rd party characters (such as Sonic, MegaMan, Pac-Man): It would be absolutely awesome if the aforementioned three characters were included as extras in the new SSB game. However, I don't think a larger number of non-Nintendo characters should be added.

The aforementioned three characters would add some very cool novelty value to the game (since all three are mascots just as legendary as Mario, Link, and the like). Throwing in half a dozen Sonic characters, though, would make the game less what it's supposed to be: a (very fun) showcase of Nintendo nostalgia. Once it starts down the path of including tons of third-party characters, then it will always feel like it's incomplete, and missing something.

Just a thought.

You're right, I would never want to see tons of third-party characters in SSBM. It just wouldn't be the same. I would still like to see Tails and Knuckles if they include Sonic, though, and I don't think it would be a problem because the trio are so iconic to video gaming.

[Scirel]

Vivian: I'm surprised all you Paper Mario:TYD fans haven't mentioned her yet.
Vivian is in a class of elite awesomeness reserved for charachters such as herself and Luna Lovegood. She is included automatically.

Since this is an online game, I`m excited about there being the possibility of more charachters added in expansion packs or downloadables as time goes on. Virtually all of the people listed here could be charachters.

Of course myself being one of the people who collected every freakng trophy in SSBM, I hope they all make it, including the Golden Sun and Fire emblem charachters(ones that were in games released in the US) After all, after nintendo has included such obscure charachters as G&W, Ice climber, and until recently FE charachters, nothing is really out of the question.

[MegaJ]

I do not want any third-party characters in the game. Only Nintendo characters. I say bug Sega to create their own SSB rip-off :)

As for Dr. Mario vs Mario- I play with Mario more, he's a tiny bit quicker.

[Punisher]

I would REALLY like some more playable Pokemon (no Pichu, please). Blaziken would be an obvious choice, but I also think using a fighting type like Machamp or even Dragonite(he could fly, use Hyper Beam, Dragon Rage, etc. Plus, he's my favorite. We need him in there). Also having more Pokemon in balls would be cool, I'd love to Kyogre come out and use water spout, or see other Legendary birds.

Having enemies in crates is an awesome idea, and the redead was pretty cool last game. Having Metroids fly over the screen crakcs me up, and in adventure mode you could fight space pirates. It works so well. And I'm loving an idea of fighting some more guys from the Kirby universe.

And if Mr. Game and Watch gets cut, I'll be angry to say the least. He was my second best character, aside from Samus. Flipping the sausage was so fun.

[the Amanda]

And if Mr. Game and Watch gets cut, I'll be angry to say the least. He was my second best character, aside from Samus. Flipping the sausage was so fun.

Game and Watch was your second best character? He's a cool little guy but not the easiest to play. Incidentally, I always begin a match where I play as G&W by flipping sausage. If he can't flip sausage in the new game I just won't be able to play as him any more.

[Conekiller]

NO

MORE

USLESS

POKEMON

IN

POKEBALLS!



there i said it. Mew and Goldeen SUCK and need to be excised from the game

EDIT: and I've mentioned the use of Metroids as an item before....

did the game the landmines in SSBM came from ever come out?

[M.A.S.]

. Some more Kirby characters would be nice, and having some people from Golden Sun is a great idea Sketch. Just curious has this game actually been announced yet?



Oh yeah !Metaknight vs. c Falcon:evil:

[M.A.S.]

[QUOTE=AuroraSzalinski]You're right about Mewtwo being cool looking but hard as nails to play. I really want to like Mewtwo, but argh! It's kind of fun to beat newbs with Mewtwo, though, because they never know quite what to make of him, especially if you start teleporting around and hitting them with those stun beams. Mewtwo also has the second coolest throw in the game (after Kirby's up throw). And he looks awesome when psychically holding objects. You know, I guess I do like Mewtwo when I'm not getting my ass kicked as him / by him. :p I confess that I actually prefer Kirby as a punching bag than Jigglypuff because they're both round puffy pink things but Kirby looks so adorably cute when he absorbs other character's powers (except for Mewtwo and Falco Kirby, they're kind of freaky).

You must Die!!:evil:

[Zach]

I do not want any third-party characters in the game. Only Nintendo characters. I say bug Sega to create their own SSB rip-off :)

As for Dr. Mario vs Mario- I play with Mario more, he's a tiny bit quicker.
What, you some kind of Nintendo fanboy that doesn't want his game stained? :shrug: I don't know what the case is, but a handful of third-party characters that are like super hard to unlock would be cool. Oh, and if Sega did such a thing, every Nintendo fanboy in the world would be in an uproar. :sweat:

[the Amanda]

You must Die!!:evil:

For...thinking Mewtwo is hard to play? For using Kirby as a punching bag? Huh?

[Punisher]

Game and Watch was your second best character? He's a cool little guy but not the easiest to play. Incidentally, I always begin a match where I play as G&W by flipping sausage. If he can't flip sausage in the new game I just won't be able to play as him any more.You just have to get used to him, when you master him, you know the right situation for either the bug spray, chair shot, or the awesome parachute attack. Flipping the sausage was always a nice move to annoy somebody with.

And I agree if Sonic si in the game, there has to be Knuckles. He has better moves for fighting then Sonic. Heck, how about we get a lot of Sonic characters? Chaos 0, Shadow, Tails, Robotnik(in a robot) and E-102

[Snailbait]

I thought you'd mention King Boo, who seems like a likely choice for the new game. He could do all kinds of cool ghostly stuff.

And let's hope they don't add in too many third-party characters. It's Nintendo nostalgia and too many of these would ruin it. I agree about one thing; they should be unlockables that are very hard to obtain.

[Andrew T. Hingson]

King Boo would be a bad choice. He'd never fall and you can't touch him. See the issues here? He'd be invincible unless they really tweak him and make him um... un-ghost like.

[the Amanda]

King Boo would be a bad choice. He'd never fall and you can't touch him. See the issues here? He'd be invincible unless they really tweak him and make him um... un-ghost like.
See, that's why I mentioned Boos in crates up there. Nintendo has used Boos as playable characters but it wouldn't make much sense in SSBM. A crate full of Boos that pop out and terrorize the players would be awesome, though.

[Mynd Hed]

What would please me to no end would be if they did away with clones altogether. Some characters that were previously clones should be given unique movesets. Others should simply be made into alternate costumes for their originating character. Some ideas:

Clones that should be turned into alternate costumes:

Dr. Mario (Mario costume)
Falco (Fox costume)
heck, toss Slippy and Peppy in as Fox costumes as well
Roy (Marth costume-- or vice-versa, I suppose)
...If they HAVE to, they could include Pichu as a Pikachu costume, but personally I'd rather they omit him altogether.

Clones that should be given unique movesets:

Ganondorf-- As has been mentioned, some moves using his sword are a must. Add a little magic and a transformation move into Ganon complete with trident, and you've got a heckuva character.

Luigi-- He already has some unique moves, so expand on those using his vacuum and there you are. A no-brainer.

Young Link-- This would require some reworking of Link as well, but I think they should split up the weapons between them. Give the bow, bombs, and hookshot to Link, and the boomerang and maybe some Deku stuff to Young Link.

New costumes:
Yoshi carrying Baby Mario

New characters:

Baby Mario w/ tennis racquet

Wario-- Give him his various hat powers from Wario Land.

Waluigi-- Screw you, I like him.

Paper Mario-- His airplane move as Up+B is a no-brainer. The hammer would make a good move too.

[Andrew T. Hingson]

Dr. Mario could easily be a costume but if they do that they have to make sure regular Mario plays more like Doc because he's got better skills all around it seems. Some might disagree though.

Falco could work for an alternate costume but once again base Fox on Falco's control because Fox really sucked in Melee if you ask me.

Pichu just needs to go away...

Young Link and Ganondorf need to stay but both need some new moves. Ganon can keep the same basic attacks but his B moves should be magic based and Young Link should get the masks from Majora or at least the Oni mask so you have a Shiek like situation (quick and weak with Young and strong and slow with Oni).

I'd give Marth or Roy something else to make them different enough to validate both existing because as a Roy fanboy I must say... I HATE play as Marth. Most people prefer either one or the other and don't like to switch.

Honestly I don't see a BIG problem with some clones as long as they look different enough and play different enough.

[the Amanda]

While I could live with Dr. Mario as an alternate Mario costume, Roy and Marth must stay separate characters. They are actually considerably different in terms of gameplay, and, even though I am not an advanced SSBM player, I know enough to employ somewhat different strategies when playing with the two. (Roy > Marth :D )

Waluigi -- I forgot him in my post! I like Waluigi. I don't care if he's just a silly recolor made for the purpose of sports games. Waluigi is cool.

Paper Mario -- YES. I'd love to see any Paper Mario characters, actually -- I already mentioned Bobbery and someone else brought up Vivian, which are the two most popular/obvious choices IMO. I hope they don't ignore Paper Mario and Mario and Luigi for their next outing. Maybe if hell freezes over, we could get Squaresoft to allow them some SMRPG characters too (Geno did get a cameo in M&L).

[Railith]

I'd LOOOOOVEEE to see RE4 Leon in a SSB game.

[Artimus Gigan]

I'd LOOOOOVEEE to see RE4 Leon in a SSB game.SSB is pretty much Nintendo characters....not characters from other companies that have been featured on a Nintendo System..

[Gaspard]

I like the idea of sonic being in there but I dont think sonik should
be in there unless shadow wil be seen in the game.

[Lucky Bob]

Y'all may post your umpteenth fantasy lists in full detail yet again. But I can own all of them with just three little words:





MARVEL vs. SSB
"Gonna take you for a ride...OFF THE EDGE OF THE SCREEN WITH 300% DAMAGE W/A BLINGIN HAMMER HAHAHAHA NOOB U SUK"





...


Thank you and good night.




*(And before everyone geeks out on me, yes, I know, it ain't gonna happen. A guy can dream, though.)

[the Amanda]

^^^^ Ugh. Blech. No thank you. I'll pass on the superheroes, thank you. This game is about video game legends, not comic book characters, and that's how it should stay!

[guinaevere]

This feels like the 30th Smash Bros dream thread we've had here over the years...

I stand by my desire to see Captain Olimar (his taunt being that he blows his whistle) and Totokeke (Animal Crossing) using his guitar for his smash. Tom Nook (also of AS) would rock. I'd like to see him fling Tommy and Timmy at opponents. And King Dedede needs to join in as well.

You anti-Pichu/Mewtwo/G&Watch people astound me. Mr Game & Watch and Pichu may not be the strongest characters, but they're cake to win with. And Mewtwo definately can hold his own against the bigger characters.

[Daikun]

They need to bring back the bosses from Super Mario RPG. Those guys had awesome attacks and designs.

Who wouldn't wanna play Culex or the giant sword Exor? :evil:

[Gaspard]

I realy want to see some forgotten nentendo characters like Wart
or Diddy Kong or Glover or maby even the mother brain.
It would rock if they were on it.
Though the only character I think stands a chanch of being on it would
be Diddy Kong.
If so then I will be in heaven:)

[Andrew T. Hingson]

Y'all may post your umpteenth fantasy lists in full detail yet again. But I can own all of them with just three little words:







...


Thank you and good night.




*(And before everyone geeks out on me, yes, I know, it ain't gonna happen. A guy can dream, though.)
Forget that... It's all about


SUPER SMASH BROS.
vs
JUMP SUPER STARS

[Tapout]

They need to bring back the bosses from Super Mario RPG. Those guys had awesome attacks and designs.

Who wouldn't wanna play Culex or the giant sword Exor? :evil:
Nevermind the bosses, how did Geno and/or Mallow not manage to get into SSBM? I'm guessing something to do with SquareEnix owning them.

[M.A.S.]

For...thinking Mewtwo is hard to play? For using Kirby as a punching bag? Huh?

Using kirby!:anime:


Jigglypuff´s more of a wimp!


So she is my punching bag!:evil:

[Assembler]

I've compiled what I think is a pretty decent character list. Some characters are far more likely than others. Not all of these characters are my personal preference but I also took into account what were popular suggestions from previous speculation lists of SSB games.

Here's 50 characters plus 5 super hard to get licensed characters which I believe are essential (well at least a few them are) for series other than ones Nintendo owns.

I even mention how you can get them.

NOTE to those of you who aren't familiar with my fantasy threads this is NOT the real deal. Just some fun speculation. Feel free to comment and make suggestions so that I may improve the list if needed. Or post your own ideas. (they don't have to be as ellaborate as mine).

Feel free to suggest levels, items and playing modes as well. Remember this game will be able to go online so it could have some features previous SSB games never could.

Here's the list:

Mario
*Dr. Mario - (complete classic or adventure with Mario)
*Luigi - (acquired through special circumstances)
Peach
Bowser
Yoshi
Wario
*Walugi - (complete classic or adventure with Luigi)
*Toad - (complete classic or adventure with Peach)
Doneky Kong
*Diddy Kong - (complete classic or adventure with Donkey Kong)
*King K. Rool - (complete adventure with DK and Diddy as well as 10 other characters)
Link
Zelda / Shiek
Ganondorf (new moves)
*Young Link / Oni Link or Wind Waker Link - (complete classic with Link, Zelda, Ganondorf and 7 other characters)
Fox
Falco
*Slippy Toad - (complete classic and adventure with Fox and Falco)
Krystal
*Andross - (complete 20 challenge melee's)
Kirby
King DeDeDe
*Meta Knight - (complete classic or adventure with Kirby)
Pit
*The Eggplanet Wizard - (complete classic or adventure with Pit)
Ness
*Poo - (complete 30 challenge melee's)
Captain Falcon
*Mr EAD or Samurai Goroh - (complete all bonus modes)
Ice Climber
Samus
*Ridley - (complete classic or adventure with Samus)
Pikachu
Mew Two
*Jiggly Puff - (complete classic or adventure with anyone)
Marth
*Roy - (complete classic or adventure with Marth)
Lynn
*Ike - (complete adventure with 40 characters)
Issac
*Alex - (complete 40 challenge melee's)
Jenna or Mia
*Little Mac - (complete classic with 25 characters)
*King Hippo or Bald Bull - (complete classic or adventure with Little Mac)
*Mach Rider - (complete classic or adventure with Captain Falcon)
*Mike Jones - (complete classic or adventure with Issac)
*Zoda - (complete classic with 35 characters)
*Captain Olimar - (complete adventure with 24 characters)
*Mr. Game & Watch - (complete classic with 24 characters)

EXTREMELY HARD TO GET CHARACTERS:

Sega's Sonic - (complete adventure with 50 characters)

Namco's Pac Man - (complete classic with 50 characters)

Hudson's Bomberman - (aquired through special circustances much like Luigi)

Konami's Simon Belmont - (complete all melee challenges)

Capcom's Mega Man - (complete all-star mode with every other character)


Pichu is ommited. I would also ommit Dr. Mario but he's even more popular than Super Mario apparently.i would love to see pacamn fight.that would be great.bombmerman i've been wishing for him since SSB.you should add knuckles and protoman .:cool: list.