The DS dropping to $129.99?

[Chad Bonin]

According to the Cheap Ass Gamer newsletter, the DS will drop to $129.99. with the release of Nintendogs. The Christmas season will bring about a package with Metroid Prime: Hunters for the current $149.99.

Non-DS owners, will that make you consider it more? It'll be nearly half the price of the PSP, and has a major game coming out for it...

Honestly, I'm slightly considering selling my DS to a friend for 120 or so, keeping the Hunters: First Hunt demo, and going to buy a blue DS when the price drops. I could always use a new screen and color...

[Captain Harlock]

Non-DS owners, will that make you consider it more? It'll be nearly half the price of the PSP, and has a major game coming out for it...


No, not really. Price really doesn't matter to me. If I wanted a DS, I would have already bought it at this point in time and shelled out the $150. There just aren't enough games to hold my interest. I'm still holding on until Christmas time for the PSP. I could buy it at this juncture, but Christmastime usually brings around bundles / a cheaper price / more games.

[Juu-kuchi]

Well I'm glad I waited for it somewhat. Animal Crossing is where it's at.

[Tapout]

Perfect. Metroid is the game I've been waiting for to buy a DS and $150 for both is great.

[Clayface]

Still a little too pricey, and not enough games that interest me for me to consider making the purchase. Drop it by another $30 and/or put out at least another 6-8 games that I'm interested in and I might buy it.

[LordByronius]

No, not really. Price really doesn't matter to me. If I wanted a DS, I would have already bought it at this point in time and shelled out the $150. There just aren't enough games to hold my interest. I'm still holding on until Christmas time for the PSP. I could buy it at this juncture, but Christmastime usually brings around bundles / a cheaper price / more games.
What games does the PSP have/will have that's worth the 250 dollar pricetag, out of curiousity?

[Andrew T. Hingson]

I'd buy it if I had despensible cash but I don't at the moment. Not that much anyway. But I'm dying to get one and JUMP Super Stars.

[Tapout]

What games does the PSP have/will have that's worth the 250 dollar pricetag, out of curiousity?
A. Most people aren't just getting the PSP for games. At this point I use it more as an MP3 player and am very satisfied with my purchase.

B. GTA:LCS will be out by Christmas. That'll easily be the biggest PSP game this year.

[Zach Williams]

I still don't think either look too pleasing, and seeing as I don't do multiplayer too much, I would probably just get the PSP. But, at this point, I can stand Advance, Color and Game Boy games on my Game Boy Player on Gamecube.

[DarkHawk]

Well, I have both again and I say honestly say that Nintendogs is creating crazy interest in the DS at my store. We have been selling a lot of used systems and a LOT of girls/soccor moms have been pre-ordering Nindogs. I played the little demo the Nin rep put in our kiosks and it is SUPER cute and I see can see it being huge for Nintendo....not poke-huge but huge mind you. Castlevania and Mario Kart are two of the big reasons to get a DS. At that new price point just buy an used one from us/EB....it will prob drop to $99 used or less and we give ya 90 days warrenty:)

[Mynd Hed]

I've been pondering the idea of a DS for a while, but I think I might wait until the price drops down around the hundred dollar range. By that time, we'll have had a chance to see if Nintendogs is really all it's cracked up to be, and ditto with Mario Kart and possibly the mysterious DS Zelda title as well. If the Zelda gets good word-of-mouth, that could be a deal-maker in my book.
As of right now, neither the PSP nor the DS really has anything that would justify their respective price tags to me, but then I've never been much of a portable gamer-- my GBA Player more than suffices for my purposes.

[Zach]

The PSP is a piece of **** (I'm not saying that because I like Nintendo). Besides, GTA is overrated and i'm sure LCS will be the same thing as the console games.

[DarkHawk]

The PSP is a piece of **** (I'm not saying that because I like Nintendo). Besides, GTA is overrated and i'm sure LCS will be the same thing as the console games.
I wouldn't go that far....but it has been a bummer lately. Other then Lumines and Sin City (which I bought for it today) it has been colecting dust. My portable games of choice right now are Castlevania: HOD and Meteos. Ngage.....now thats a piece of crap;)

[sdp]

wow, if it still includes the free Mario game then w00t, if not then i would have rather bought it for 150$ and get a 35$ game for free,

but if i do get mario i will buy it now, i mean i'm going to have to buy it sooner or later because of pokemon.

[email2003]

The DS? Well......................maybe I want one.....................then again.......................hell no! I have a PSP. That is 100 times better.

[Artimus Gigan]

Well I dunno, I already have a DS...however I do see quite a few games that I want for it now, specificly Lunar Dragon Song(DragonSong is abreviated to DS, HA! How clever) and Metroid Prime Hunters...

Nintendogs really doesn't have me interested at all...so with the Impending Lunar DS that i reserved today I will officialy own 1 DS game (or 2 if you count the MP Demo)

Allthough the PSP has a few titles that I want as well, the only game that has been released that I still want to get is Ridge Racer whcih would bring my grand total of PSP games to 5...Death Jr I'm on the fence on though...

But being that both systems promise big game goodness in the coming months, I'll wait it out...

[the Amanda]

I just played a demo of Advance Wars DS and it is freaking sweet! I never played the first two but I think I'll have to pick this one up. :anime:

[Captain Harlock]

What games does the PSP have/will have that's worth the 250 dollar pricetag, out of curiousity?

Well, by the time it's christmas, the PSP may have a cheaper price tag, which is what I said in my first post. So it won't be a $250 tag, hopefully, and if it is - I may not even buy it. Right now there's about 4-5 games I'm interested in. Metal Gear Acid, Lumines, Twisted Metal: Head On, Rengoku, Armored Core. So by the time I'm thinking about buying, there should be more to catch my interest. 4-5 on the PSP is more than the 0 that exists on DS which interests me. Also, the ability to have portable video and mp3 capabilities saves me the trouble of having to buy an ipod. I hope that satisfies your curiosity!

[Noukon]

I have a PSP. That is 100 times better. Sure, if you're really, really into console ports and take enjoyment out of recharging your battery.

[Artimus Gigan]

Sure, if you're really, really into console ports and take enjoyment out of recharging your battery.Actually there are 2nd and 3rd party batteries for the PSP that outlast the DS tenfold...

Also the DS has equal if not more console ports than the PSP...

[Noukon]

Actually there are 2nd and 3rd party batteries for the PSP that outlast the DS tenfold...

Also the DS has equal if not more console ports than the PSP...
There are PSP batteries that last 120-150 hours? Must be alien technology, or something. :p

I had the "port" argument with someone on another forum a while back, and they lost it pretty horribly. The majority of DS software is original, whereas the opposite is true for the PSP. I have no idea how the stigma that the DS has a lot of ports got out there (well, I have some idea), but it's an incorrect one.

As of next week, there will be 29 DS titles available in the U.S. (maybe one or two more, in case I missed something).

Six of these are direct ports (most of which have very significant additions, but we'll ignore that part for the sake of this argument), including top-selling titles like Super Mario 64 and Star Wars: Episode III. Another six could be considered ports if you were being extremely loose with the term and labeling even ground-up remakes of games as "ports" (examples include GoldenEye Rogue Agent and Puyo-Pop Fever). There are about three games that I'm not familiar enough with to say they aren't ports, but from what I have seen, none are direct ports.

What would you say the actual numbers are like for the PSP?

[Artimus Gigan]

There are PSP batteries that last 120-150 hours? Must be alien technology, or something. :p

I had the "port" argument with someone on another forum a while back, and they lost it pretty horribly. The majority of DS software is original, whereas the opposite is true for the PSP. I have no idea how the stigma that the DS has a lot of ports got out there (well, I have some idea), but it's an incorrect one.

As of next week, there will be 29 DS titles available in the U.S. (maybe one or two more, in case I missed something).

Six of these are direct ports (most of which have very significant additions, but we'll ignore that part for the sake of this argument), including top-selling titles like Super Mario 64 and Star Wars: Episode III. Another six could be considered ports if you were being extremely loose with the term and labeling even ground-up remakes of games as "ports" (examples include GoldenEye Rogue Agent and Puyo-Pop Fever). There are about three games that I'm not familiar enough with to say they aren't ports, but from what I have seen, none are direct ports.

What would you say the actual numbers are like for the PSP?PSP's only ports are pretty much sports titles(which was to be expected), ape escape, and spiderman, sofar games from other console series(Twisted Metal, Ridge Racer, Armored Core, Wipeout, Metalgear) are all entirely new games. The only ports on the horizen are sofar Medievil(which had a ton of new stuff added) and YS:AoN. While Megaman Ledgends is supposedly a 100% unaltered port of the original, the game isn't being released for quite sometime.

Also IIRC the 2nd and 3rd party batteries, there's the 20hr Toshiba one and there's one from another company that's rumored to last 50 hours...however on normal settings the PSP pretty much has the same battery life as the DS...

If you change the screen settings to super bright that tends to drain it faster...

[Noukon]

PSP's only ports are pretty much sports titles(which was to be expected), ape escape, and spiderman, sofar games from other console series(Twisted Metal, Ridge Racer, Armored Core, Wipeout, Metalgear) are all entirely new games. The only ports on the horizen are sofar Medievil(which had a ton of new stuff added) and YS:AoN. While Megaman Ledgends is supposedly a 100% unaltered port of the original, the game isn't being released for quite sometime.

Also IIRC the 2nd and 3rd party batteries, there's the 20hr Toshiba one and there's one from another company that's rumored to last 50 hours...however on normal settings the PSP pretty much has the same battery life as the DS...

If you change the screen settings to super bright that tends to drain it faster...
You only name about nine games total there, which is a small sample. Also, according to the reviews I've read, Twisted Metal is a port. And, as I said before, "a ton" of new additions is irrelevant in classifying something as a port for this argument, since almost all of the ports on the DS have had hefty additions.

There are six true ports on the DS. I'm fairly sure there are more than that on the PSP, something I'm considering doing some research on.

The DS has a battery life of 12-15 hours (which I've tested extensively), sometimes more. Twenty is hardly "ten-fold" of twelve, nor is fifty. I am curious about the PSP having similar battery life to the DS; are you really guaranteed twelve hours of playtime out of it? I've been told that it gets about six or seven at the absolute maximum by friends who own the system (and are, in fact, fans of it).

[Zyzzybalubah]

Drop it 29 more dollars then you have a deal Nintendo. :D Seriously though, I don't have that kind of dough at the moment. Someone almost sold me their PSP for 140, but I needed the money for my apartment and I didn't get a new pay check until days later. :( :( I want those new systems, but they're so much for a bum like me. :(

[Captain Harlock]

Also, according to the reviews I've read, Twisted Metal is a port.

I'm just going to jump in on this tidbit of information. From what I understand a port to be, its an exact or near exact replica of a completely existing game. Resident Evil 4 on the Ps2 would be a port. However, Twisted Metal: Head On, may have some cars from the previous installments, the storylines and levels are completely different in a way that I'd call it not a port.

As far as I see it, there is a good amount of ports for each the DS and PSP. From what I counted, there's only about 28-32 games released for both systems in the US right now. For the DS 5-6 are sports titles. While the PSP is hovering around 8.

[DarkHawk]

Also Capt, just to give you a heads up.....NIS is working on a PSP game, I forgot title but it was in an older Game Informer I think. It looked pretty cool:)

[Noukon]

I'm just going to jump in on this tidbit of information. From what I understand a port to be, its an exact or near exact replica of a completely existing game. Resident Evil 4 on the Ps2 would be a port. However, Twisted Metal: Head On, may have some cars from the previous installments, the storylines and levels are completely different in a way that I'd call it not a port.
Generally, "port" means that the majority of the assets in a game were "ported" over from a previously existing version. So, in terms of DS games (and this is just for comparison's sake), Super Mario 64 would be a port, since most of the game's assets (despite the expansion of the main game and addition of minigames) are simply copied over (maybe with minor improvements) from the original. Something like, say, GoldenEye: Rogue Agent, however, was built from the ground up; it was made to mimic the console versions, but it isn't truly a port.

So, regarding Twisted Metal, if the levels and such have been totally redesigned and rebuilt, then it's not a port. Since I have not played the game myself, and my information comes from reviews I've read and things I've heard, obviously you would know better, and I'll strike my earlier comment.


As far as I see it, there is a good amount of ports for each the DS and PSP. From what I counted, there's only about 28-32 games released for both systems in the US right now. For the DS 5-6 are sports titles. While the PSP is hovering around 8.
I count five real ports for the DS: Rayman DS (N64), Ridge Racer DS (N64), Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith (GBA), Super Mario 64 DS (N64), The Urbz: Sims in the City (GBA). There's a small handful of games I'm unfamiliar with and wouldn't be able to judge either way.

The DS has three sports titles, two of which are Madden games. I'm pretty sure the Madden games were specially built for the DS, but I have no idea about Tiger Woods.

[Zach]

The PSP is basically a PocketPC. (aka gaming is not that great, just a side thing you can do on it) And to whoever said they want to get Metal Gear Ac!d, the game isn't worth it. The battle system is horrible. (Yes, it's a card battler) You can spend half a day waiting for a good weapon, and the only attraction is the story. (Which I bet you could find online, including a diolouge transcript)

[Tapout]

I don't even know if most of the PSP games can even be called ports. THUG2 for instance. Would you call the XBox version a port of the PS2 version? The PSP version is almost identical to the PS2 game, not some awful watered-down port like most GBA/DS ports are. I don't know if the others are like that (Need for Speed, Midnight Club, etc.) or not.

[Noukon]

I don't even know if most of the PSP games can even be called ports. THUG2 for instance. Would you call the XBox version a port of the PS2 version? The PSP version is almost identical to the PS2 game, not some awful watered-down port like most GBA/DS ports are. I don't know if the others are like that (Need for Speed, Midnight Club, etc.) or not.
The more identical it is to the original version, the more it can be called a port. So, if the PSP version of THUG2 is almost identical to the PS2 one, it's pretty much the epitome of a port.

I'll also note that the DS' ports aren't watered-down; they're actually upgrades from GBA and N64 games. The GBA only tends to have ports from older consoles like the SNES, so they also aren't "watered-down." You must be thinking of GBA/DS versions of newer console games; they aren't ports, but rather they tend to be completely independent games based off of the same license/concept and developed exclusively for the less advanced hardware (for example, if you buy Star Wars: Episode III for both Xbox and DS, you're going to get a completely different game out of each version).

[the Amanda]

It amuses me that proponents of the DS and proponents of the PSP both use the exact same argument: The [other console] doesn't have any interesting games! They really do target radically different gamers.

I'm in the loves DS / can't find anything interesting about the PSP crowd. I don't care for an mp3 player, portable movies, sports and racing titles, or Metal Gear and GTA. I'm a Wario Ware addict and I love cute games and drawing things on the screen.

In the end, it's not so much which one has the most ports (they are both a bit overloaded with ports at the moment) but which one has the more interesting games. And I wish people wouldn't immediately take ports to be a bad thing. I missed Super Mario 64 the first time around and am grateful for Super Mario 64 DS. It makes N64-less gamers happy and nobody's forced to play it. I hope they port Paper Mario too.

[sdp]

if you count the free Mario game as buying it separate the DS is really 100$

[Noukon]

if you count the free Mario game as buying it separate the DS is really 100$
That was a temporary deal. The next bundle will be when Metroid Prime Hunters is released.

[Punisher]

This DS looks like a sweet deal, and with Animal Crossing on the horizon with the added bonus of Metroid Prime Hunters, I can't wait until I get the money for it. I have played one before, and I love it. Plus, I have plenty of GBA games I could play on it and stop using my rusty Arctic Game Boy. If I don't get the money, Christmas is always an option. Just give me a new Pokemon game taking advantage of the Wi-Fi and I'm sold.

[Artimus Gigan]

The PSP is basically a PocketPC. (aka gaming is not that great, just a side thing you can do on it) And to whoever said they want to get Metal Gear Ac!d, the game isn't worth it. The battle system is horrible. (Yes, it's a card battler) You can spend half a day waiting for a good weapon, and the only attraction is the story. (Which I bet you could find online, including a diolouge transcript)Hardly, games like Ridge Racer, Darkstalkers, Twisted Metal, and Wipeout are equal if not superior to their console counterparts...and Death Jr. is pretty much on par with the platformers on the DS

The PSP is pretty much a primary Videogame device, I mean if it wasn't they would have given you a bigger memory card(it can only hold like 3 songs). And if it's video was it's main function then the DS is in the same boat...because it can play the GBA video cards...not to mention the DS has two different ports...not one universal one like the GBA or the PSP, but two different ports. So if anything seems suspicious that playing games for the system are secondary that would be it...

The NGage is more like a pocket PC than the PSP, I mean their version of Rainbow six is very very different and simplified than the regular versions

Also to get a good weapon in Metal Gear Acid is quite easy...they provide the codes themselves...I mean I use that prototype gun and Jehuty from ZOE

[Noukon]

And if it's video was it's main function then the DS is in the same boat...because it can play the GBA video cards...not to mention the DS has two different ports...not one universal one like the GBA or the PSP, but two different ports. So if anything seems suspicious that playing games for the system are secondary that would be it...
That's a rather spurious grouping of arguments.

The "GBA Video cards" are a tiny, discontinued segment, with only a few titles that never even sold well to begin with. Majesco is going to try and revive it by releasing Shrek and Shark Tale, but two movies is hardly equatable to the dozens that are out for the PSP. Saying that the DS is "in the same boat" in regards to video functionality is just plain silly.

The "two ports" argument is like swiss cheese. First off, the PSP has two media slots, just like the DS does. The difference is that one can take both games and movies (and, eventually, music), and the other is exclusively for user-loaded media. Second off, both slots on the DS are meant for game cartridges, so saying that its two different ports indicate that games "are secondary" is just plain stupid.

I'm having trouble trying to figure out what the point of your argument is. The DS is almost purely a gaming device. The PSP is a multimedia device. The fact that it's so versatile is one of the main selling points of the PSP, so why would you go so far out of your way and construct a ridiculously fraudulent argument to try and prop the DS up at the same level, or even higher?

[Artimus Gigan]

That's a rather spurious grouping of arguments.

The "GBA Video cards" are a tiny, discontinued segment, with only a few titles that never even sold well to begin with. Majesco is going to try and revive it by releasing Shrek and Shark Tale, but two movies is hardly equatable to the dozens that are out for the PSP. Saying that the DS is "in the same boat" in regards to video functionality is just plain silly.

The "two ports" argument is like swiss cheese. First off, the PSP has two media slots, just like the DS does. The difference is that one can take both games and movies (and, eventually, music), and the other is exclusively for user-loaded media. Second off, both slots on the DS are meant for game cartridges, so saying that its two different ports indicate that games "are secondary" is just plain stupid.

I'm having trouble trying to figure out what the point of your argument is. The DS is almost purely a gaming device. The PSP is a multimedia device. The fact that it's so versatile is one of the main selling points of the PSP, so why would you go so far out of your way and construct a ridiculously fraudulent argument to try and prop the DS up at the same level, or even higher?
I'm saying that both of them are versitile, both are a primary handheld gaming device, with secondary multimedia features and options.

The PSP can act as a respectable MP3 player, but only if you purchase a larger memory card. It doesn't come with it, similar to the other various addons and upgrades that provided other features in consoles. Yeah you could also download video, but again that requires a larger card as well.

The UMD discs for movies and games go into the same slot, they share the same technology like the PS2 being able to play the DVDs and CD's. so it's more or less an obvious feature. The UMD movies however take up no memory of any kind, where as doownloaded video does.

The DS can play video as well, but it has to be in the GBA slot. The slot where the DS games can't. The system has two ports, which if you think about it is sorta strange. The Gameboy Advance could play original GB games because they read the carts pretty much the same as the original. So it was again one universal port for the games. The DS carts are totaly different from the GB and GBA carts, but they included a secondary GBA slot. To put it in different terms it would be like the Gamecube having a built in slot for n64 games. It's more or less two different media formats on one machine. So in other words the DS really isn't stand alone. The PSP plays strictly UMD discs, the DS is able to accept two different kinds of carts.

[Noukon]

I'm saying that both of them are versitile, both are a primary handheld gaming device, with secondary multimedia features and options. It really seems to me like you were just antagonized by the suggestion that the PSP's gaming features are "secondary."

So, let's look at the DS' secondary multimedia features: You can go out and buy a cartridge with a couple of badly-encoded episodes of Strawberry Shortcake or Pokemon. How is that even remotely comparable to the PSP's wide range of UMD movies?


The PSP can act as a respectable MP3 player, but only if you purchase a larger memory card. It doesn't come with it, similar to the other various addons and upgrades that provided other features in consoles. Yeah you could also download video, but again that requires a larger card as well. The functionality, however, is built directly into the PSP unit. The DS can only be used as an MP3 if you insert a seperate hardware device that does all the decoding and playing and pipes the audio/video signal into the DS.


The UMD discs for movies and games go into the same slot, they share the same technology like the PS2 being able to play the DVDs and CD's. so it's more or less an obvious feature. The UMD movies however take up no memory of any kind, where as doownloaded video does. Okay, you're losing me. What does "an obvious feature" even mean? You have given no context whatsoever to that phrase.


The DS can play video as well, but it has to be in the GBA slot. The slot where the DS games can't. You obviously have little or no understanding of how the hardware works, so why are you arguing this? Many DS cartridges contain FMVs. If someone wanted to put out a DS cartridge with only video content, they easily could.


The system has two ports, which if you think about it is sorta strange. No, it isn't. They accept different types of media; GBA and DS cartridges. What is even remotely strange about that?


The Gameboy Advance could play original GB games because they read the carts pretty much the same as the original. So it was again one universal port for the games. Again, incorrect. GBA cartridges were purposefully designed to be about the same thickness and width as Game Boy/GBC cartridges (and use the same contact points) so that they could share a slot. If you put a Game Boy/GBC game in a GBA, it trips a voltage switch, because the two systems run on completely different architecture. Both the GBA and GB architectures are included inside the GBA and GBA SP; the reason a DS cannot play Game Boy and GBC games is, in fact, because they would effectively have to include the architecture for three entire systems inside the unit, and that would make it more bulky and expensive.


The DS carts are totaly different from the GB and GBA carts, but they included a secondary GBA slot. To put it in different terms it would be like the Gamecube having a built in slot for n64 games. It's more or less two different media formats on one machine. Pardon the expression, but duh. Next you'll be saying that the sky is blue, and that the sum of two and two is four.

What does this have to do with anything you've argued?


So in other words the DS really isn't stand alone. What does "stand alone" mean? Are you referring to fact that it accepts two types of games? Because that doesn't change the fact that 99+% of the content out there that a DS can accept is games. All that means is that it has a larger game library available to it.


The PSP plays strictly UMD discs, the DS is able to accept two different kinds of carts. You're going to need to do better than this, since I'm going to have to say this again: The PSP allows for two media types, UMD and Memory Sticks. Your argument is ineffective in giving a reason why this is an invalid point, because it is not my opinion, it is a flat-out fact. You can put game UMDs in there. You can put movie UMDs in there (and there are far more movie UMD titles than game ones). You can place your choice of media content onto a memory stick and view it on the system. It is a multimedia device.

I honestly cannot decode your rambling to find an actual argument of any kind, and your English is giving me a headache. What exactly are you trying to say here? You started out by trying to posture the DS as a "multimedia device" (which it is not) because you somehow took offense to an assertion that the PSP's multimedia features are stronger than its game library (which would come down to individual points of view).

Let me spell it out: Somebody said that they think the PSP is better as a multimedia device than a game system, because they don't like the game library much. It's their opinion. If you must argue with that, say that you think maybe they haven't given the game library a chance, and that there's a lot in it that you enjoy. A series of bizarre fabrications about the competition makes for a pathetic argument.

[peacebyanymeans]

Again, incorrect. GBA cartridges were purposefully designed to be about the same thickness and width as Game Boy/GBC cartridges (and use the same contact points) so that they could share a slot. If you put a Game Boy/GBC game in a GBA, it trips a voltage switch, because the two systems run on completely different architecture. Both the GBA and GB architectures are included inside the GBA and GBA SP; the reason a DS cannot play Game Boy and GBC games is, in fact, because they would effectively have to include the architecture for three entire systems inside the unit, and that would make it more bulky and expensive.
Yeah, It would cost more and be more bulky, that's why it doesn't have GBC fuctionality, not because it is for the GBA movie carts. That's also the reason why the Gameboy Micro can't play old GB games, just GBA. Cost and Size. (Nintendo is cost ing GBM at $99, I think they could sell it for less than the SP and still make money, because a smaller screen and no extra GB tech makes it cheaper to make than SP. Guess they want more money... eh...)

[Chad Bonin]

(Nintendo is cost ing GBM at $99, I think they could sell it for less than the SP and still make money, because a smaller screen and no extra GB tech makes it cheaper to make than SP. Guess they want more money... eh...)By all accounts, it's a much much better screen. Seen the difference between playing a GBA game on the GBAsp and the DS? Big difference there. Much clearer colors, backlight instead of frontlight, etc.

Plus, I'm sure some of the money goes into miniaturization of some of the hardware. You couldn't take the GBA chunk and rechargable battery out of a DS and shove it in something that small.

[Invader Z]

Can we PLEASE stop with the console wars? I hate the PSP, but this is about the $129.99 DS/Nintendogs bundle! Speaking of which, I have a few questions:
1. Which versions of Nintendogs are avaliable?
2. What color(s) is the DS?
3. When will this bundle come out?
I have been the proud owner of a DS since Christmas, but my little sister wants one, and she has the money all set out, and Nintendogs is the game she wants the most.