View Full Version : The WWE isn't ready for "The Future"!
Sigma
08-15-2005, 12:36 AM
Source: PWInsider.com
Former TNA and independent standout and current WWE Velocity regular Frankie Kazarian is reportedly parting ways with World Wrestling Entertainment. No concrete details are available as far as when the relationship will come to an end or who was responsible for initiating the release.
Kazarian's relationship with WWE seemed troubled last month, when the wrestler reportedly asked for his release. Shortly after the request, however, he made his debut on WWE Velocity in a match against Nunzio.
An update on this situation should come in shortly.
I saw this comming since Kazarian signed the deal. WWE has no idea how to handle someone with the kind of talent that Frankie Kazarian posses and it is evident in the current state of the WWE's Cruiserweight division. Frankie is quite frankly way too "cool" for the WWE and I hope to see him return to where he belongs and that is TNA.
The Dork Knight
08-15-2005, 01:58 AM
In my opinion this really stinks. I have been following Kazarian's career ever since I was lucky enough to interview him last year. I loved all his matches he had on Velocity, and was really rooting for him to win the Crusierweight Title. It's disappointing that all WWE did with him was had him stuck on Velocity. However regardless of where he was in WWE, he still managed to put on quality matches. Hopefully he'll return to WWE one day. :(
Tapout
08-15-2005, 02:46 AM
Every cruiserweight not named Rey Mysterio should turn in their resignation tomorrow.
VCXZX
08-15-2005, 06:03 AM
I already posted his release in the Velocity thread. Anyway, there seems to be more reasons for his release, from him being upset that the high-risk moves were banned, to them asking to cut his hair. I don't blame him at all for him wanting to get released.
I'm sure he'll do just fine in TNA or the indies.
Jude Santos
08-15-2005, 12:46 PM
This sucks. I liked what I saw of Kazarian. But it's better that he goes back to TNA (in which he will be, but then again, he wasn't doing anything in TNA in the last couple of months that he was there, but that was all Dusty's doing.) It's better he go back to TNA, make a star of himself, and maybe return to WWE once TNA is an actual competitor. Or at least show the WWE what they missed out on.
If he does go back to tNA (which he will,) I'm just hoping that he won't get squashed by Samoa Joe, who already squashed the entire X division, including AJ (amazing match btw) and soon to be Chris Daniels.
SirLemming
08-15-2005, 12:59 PM
Not ready for the future? Ridiculous! It's not like they're bringing back lots of old wrestlers or reverting back to the type of gimmicks they did in the '80s!
Seriously, though, they definitely do need some new blood in the writing/booking department. They're in the biggest rut I can remember.
BlackoutCreature
08-15-2005, 01:01 PM
Its a real shame that the WWE is losing him, he had a lot of potential and couldve really been good for there cruiserweight division. That said, (and i know im gonna be unpopular for saying this) ive got to question what Frankie is thinking?
Ive heard he was upset at only being on Velocity and that he was having problems with the writers, and he probably didnt like having to adjust his style. But what did he expect? The WWE traditionally keeps there cruisers on Velocity until they have a big story for them, and he had to hear the stories about the writers and how the WWE doesnt favor the high-risk style. And lets face it, Kazarian isnt the guy the WWE traditionally rushes to the main event, did he expect them to make an exception for him? The fact that the WWE actually kept him on Velocity and didnt send him back to OVW is probably a good sign that somebody in the WWE liked him and wanted to do something with him soon. It sounds like he either signed with them with a really big ego or really naively.
Im not saying the WWE is right, they really shouldve had a better plan for him when they brought him in. But unlike some of the WWE's other recent releases (Charlie Hass, Matt Morgan, Johnny Stamboli) it seems more like Kazarian deluded himself into what he was getting into and didnt give the WWE a chance rather then vice-versa.
DarkHawk
08-15-2005, 01:56 PM
Every cruiserweight not named Rey Mysterio should turn in their resignation tomorrow.
But then they will miss out at wrestling Funaki and getting squashed by hoss's! No seriously he needs to come back home to TNA....at least he will be able to showcase his skills right.
Jude Santos
08-15-2005, 03:21 PM
Its a real shame that the WWE is losing him, he had a lot of potential and couldve really been good for there cruiserweight division. That said, (and i know im gonna be unpopular for saying this) ive got to question what Frankie is thinking?
Ive heard he was upset at only being on Velocity and that he was having problems with the writers, and he probably didnt like having to adjust his style. But what did he expect? The WWE traditionally keeps there cruisers on Velocity until they have a big story for them, and he had to hear the stories about the writers and how the WWE doesnt favor the high-risk style. And lets face it, Kazarian isnt the guy the WWE traditionally rushes to the main event, did he expect them to make an exception for him? The fact that the WWE actually kept him on Velocity and didnt send him back to OVW is probably a good sign that somebody in the WWE liked him and wanted to do something with him soon. It sounds like he either signed with them with a really big ego or really naively.
Im not saying the WWE is right, they really shouldve had a better plan for him when they brought him in. But unlike some of the WWE's other recent releases (Charlie Hass, Matt Morgan, Johnny Stamboli) it seems more like Kazarian deluded himself into what he was getting into and didnt give the WWE a chance rather then vice-versa. I actually agree with you whole-heartedly. The first time I read the news, my gut reaction was "who in the blue hell does Kazarian think he is? The Rock?" As I said before, you don't need high risk maneuvers to showcase your skills. HBK and Kurt Angle are GREAT wrestlers, yet, we don't see them doing 450s, flipping pildrivers, SSPs, or whatnot. Granted, Angle is a technical wrestler, but I'm not suggesting a change of style either. A GREAT wrestler like Kazarian can really adjust to the WWE's limitations.
In the subject of Kazarian though, stupid WWE could have put him on SD! (I would have liekd to see a feud between him and Holly, might be just me though) right off the bat, but any wrestler that is practically unknown (let's face it, Kazarian IS unknown) would have given up their day job to be in Kazarian's shoes. Fact is, he wrestled every week on TV AND undefeated. Since he debuted, he was the Samoa Joe equivalent of the WWE, in the same sense that Joe demolished TNA's entire X division, Kazarian demolished WWE's CW division, including London.
It's all for the better though I guess. If flying around the ring is all he can do, then he's better off at TNA. Actually, he's better off in TNA in the first place. As it stands, the WWE is in turmoil right now with NO competition (TNA is NOT competition, not even close.) Anyway, Kazarian is better off in TNA where he'll be used.
EDIT: yet in another sad sad news, Matt Bentley, aka Michael Shane, is now done with TNA. :yawn:
Sigma
08-15-2005, 04:43 PM
I actually agree with you whole-heartedly. The first time I read the news, my gut reaction was "who in the blue hell does Kazarian think he is? The Rock?" As I said before, you don't need high risk maneuvers to showcase your skills. HBK and Kurt Angle are GREAT wrestlers, yet, we don't see them doing 450s, flipping pildrivers, SSPs, or whatnot. Granted, Angle is a technical wrestler, but I'm not suggesting a change of style either. A GREAT wrestler like Kazarian can really adjust to the WWE's limitations.
In the subject of Kazarian though, stupid WWE could have put him on SD! (I would have liekd to see a feud between him and Holly, might be just me though) right off the bat, but any wrestler that is practically unknown (let's face it, Kazarian IS unknown) would have given up their day job to be in Kazarian's shoes. Fact is, he wrestled every week on TV AND undefeated. Since he debuted, he was the Samoa Joe equivalent of the WWE, in the same sense that Joe demolished TNA's entire X division, Kazarian demolished WWE's CW division, including London.
It's all for the better though I guess. If flying around the ring is all he can do, then he's better off at TNA. Actually, he's better off in TNA in the first place. As it stands, the WWE is in turmoil right now with NO competition (TNA is NOT competition, not even close.) Anyway, Kazarian is better off in TNA where he'll be used.
EDIT: yet in another sad sad news, Matt Bentley, aka Michael Shane, is now done with TNA. :yawn: TNA may not be much competition now, but the fact that the WWE bans signs promoting the company at their shows prove that they see them as a potential threat and they are.
Kazarian was made into a fool in the WWE, the majority of WWE fans just don't want to see technical wrestling which is one of the things Frankie does best and the fact that the WWE limits what high flyers are able to do also handicaped him. Kazarian will very likely return to TNA and make an impact in the X Division yet again.
As for Matt Bentley, I hate to see such a talented guy leave TNA and I honestly have no idea what he will do aside of continuing to work the indepent circuit. This may come as a shock to some of you, but I would actually like to see Bentley on RAW for a feud with his uncle HBK, but the chances of that happening are slim to none, because the WWE wouldn't want to make anyone that truely deserves it a big star.
Jude Santos
08-15-2005, 05:28 PM
TNA may not be much competition now, but the fact that the WWE bans signs promoting the company at their shows prove that they see them as a potential threat and they are. I half agree. TNA is not even close to the WWE, TNA and WWE shouldn't even be mentioned in the same sentence, hell, tehy shouldnt even be mentioned in the same thread. Once TNA does more than 3 shows a month, then sure, they'd become a *potential* threat. Will they be? Hell yes, just give it time, but as of right no, they are not. As for confiscating sings, well, they don't allow free advertising, which is probably why they confiscate them in the first place.
Kazarian was made into a fool in the WWE, the majority of WWE fans just don't want to see technical wrestling which is one of the things Frankie does best and the fact that the WWE limits what high flyers are able to do also handicaped him. Kazarian will very likely return to TNA and make an impact in the X Division yet again. ehh and that's the problem. Bret Hart said it best, "All fans want to see these days are high risk maneuvers, instead of emotionally driven matches." I love TNA as well, but all they got is wrestlers who fly around the ring. If that's the future of the business, then I pity the big men of wrestling.
Regardless though, the true test for TNA will come this October. I have heard rumors that in order to compete with the WWE, they'd start ACTUAL angles. So once the angles kick in, we're going to see what TNA is made of (I was not fortunate enough to see TNA during the Russo era, so I don't know any good angles that TNA has done)
As for Matt Bentley, I hate to see such a talented guy leave TNA and I honestly have no idea what he will do aside of continuing to work the indepent circuit. This may come as a shock to some of you, but I would actually like to see Bentley on RAW for a feud with his uncle HBK, but the chances of that happening are slim to none, because the WWE wouldn't want to make anyone that truely deserves it a big star. you never know. He is HBK's nephew.
In unrelated news, I never knew TNA pulled out of the NWA last year...they did get the rights to the NWA World and Tag team names though.
Sigma
08-15-2005, 05:41 PM
I half agree. TNA is not even close to the WWE, TNA and WWE shouldn't even be mentioned in the same sentence, hell, tehy shouldnt even be mentioned in the same thread. Once TNA does more than 3 shows a month, then sure, they'd become a *potential* threat. Will they be? Hell yes, just give it time, but as of right no, they are not. As for confiscating sings, well, they don't allow free advertising, which is probably why they confiscate them in the first place.
ehh and that's the problem. Bret Hart said it best, "All fans want to see these days are high risk maneuvers, instead of emotionally driven matches." I love TNA as well, but all they got is wrestlers who fly around the ring. If that's the future of the business, then I pity the big men of wrestling.
Regardless though, the true test for TNA will come this October. I have heard rumors that in order to compete with the WWE, they'd start ACTUAL angles. So once the angles kick in, we're going to see what TNA is made of (I was not fortunate enough to see TNA during the Russo era, so I don't know any good angles that TNA has done)
you never know. He is HBK's nephew.
In unrelated news, I never knew TNA pulled out of the NWA last year...they did get the rights to the NWA World and Tag team names though. TNA is still technically a part of the NWA organization as of now, but they no longer put NWA in front of TNA. They will likely change all the belts to TNA titles within the next year because they do want to pull out of NWA completely.
DarkHawk
08-15-2005, 06:26 PM
Regardless though, the true test for TNA will come this October. I have heard rumors that in order to compete with the WWE, they'd start ACTUAL angles. So once the angles kick in, we're going to see what TNA is made of (I was not fortunate enough to see TNA during the Russo era, so I don't know any good angles that TNA has done)
What are you talking about?! They have angles......they just don't involve stupid crap like women with growths and screwing a dead body:shrug: They involve wrestlers competing for belts/respect/friendship. Say what you want about about TNA not being even close to WWE money wise and resource wise....but TNA is wrestling CIRCLES around the WWE's product right now. Btw, Russo's stint in TNA was garbage, just like his WCW stay.
Tapout
08-15-2005, 07:41 PM
TNA is still technically a part of the NWA organization as of now, but they no longer put NWA in front of TNA. They will likely change all the belts to TNA titles within the next year because they do want to pull out of NWA completely.
Maybe they can have Shane Douglas throw down the belt after telling Flair and Steamboat to kiss his ass. :D
Sigma
08-16-2005, 12:23 AM
What are you talking about?! They have angles......they just don't involve stupid crap like women with growths and screwing a dead body:shrug: They involve wrestlers competing for belts/respect/friendship. Say what you want about about TNA not being even close to WWE money wise and resource wise....but TNA is wrestling CIRCLES around the WWE's product right now. Btw, Russo's stint in TNA was garbage, just like his WCW stay. Russo wasn't too bad in TNA. The S.E.X. angle wasn't bad, but he made a good DOA and his little feud with Jarret wasn't bad. Russo was also the man behind the the Ultimate X match. Russo is a great writer with the proper guidence, but WCW just kinda let Russo and the other writers do whatever and Turner wouldn't allow his network to "cross the line" Russo was restricted from doing what he does best and that is controversal angles.
Maybe they can have Shane Douglas throw down the belt after telling Flair and Steamboat to kiss his ass. :D That would be funny, but I think TNA want's to keep the belt respectable which is why the may just opt to continue working with the NWA. I personally prefer it because the NWA World Title is a true world title that is actually defended around the world.
Jude Santos
08-16-2005, 11:09 PM
What are you talking about?! They have angles......they just don't involve stupid crap like women with growths and screwing a dead body:shrug: They involve wrestlers competing for belts/respect/friendship. I said there's a rumor going around that TNA would start using ACTUAL angles, meaning they have angles, only improving it (never did once say that TNA didn't have angles. To be honest though, If the guys at TNA didn't fly around the ring too much, then I'd be really bored of the product as the angles they have on now are very very dry). But come October 1st, in order to compete against the WWE, the writers will be writing angles, with storylines in them. It's actually a rumor, it was a couple of days ago, but it's around Lords of Pain if you want to see it.
Say what you want about about TNA not being even close to WWE money wise and resource wise....but TNA is wrestling CIRCLES around the WWE's product right now. I am not disputing that as I agree with you. Besides, you misunderstand my post. I am NOT bashing TNA at all. I am simply stating facts. That's why AJ and whoever else wrestles in ROH, because TNA only currently does 2 shows a month and I really doubt thats enough to support AJ's son.
Btw, Russo's stint in TNA was garbage, just like his WCW stay. I heard quite the opposite.
TNA is still technically a part of the NWA organization as of now, but they no longer put NWA in front of TNA. They will likely change all the belts to TNA titles within the next year because they do want to pull out of NWA completely.. Wikipedia says TNA has the rights to the NWA World Title (and tag team) until 2014.
I'd love to see TNA pull out of NWA for some unknown reason...but I'm almost sure that they'd have Jarret win the belt for a total of 7 times before that happens...
I have another "I didn't knw that about TNA" but it's really off topic
DarkHawk
08-16-2005, 11:26 PM
Ah yes, I misunderstood your post:cool: I do think that by trying to write angles to try and match WWE is a HUGE mistake if its true. Thats one thing I like about having TNA as an alternative to WWE, straight up wrestling without all of the long drawn-out storylines. Yes, I still watch WWE and yes I enjoy good long feuds down right (HBK/Edge promos lately have rocked!) but I don't watch Impact or drive to Orlando to see Xpac and Jerry Lynn fighting over Xpac's sex tape or something:D I pray to god that rumor is false:crying: :crying: :crying:
Jude Santos
08-17-2005, 10:26 AM
Kazarian already released a statement from his official website:
Ok......I am no longer with the World Wrestling Entertainment (WWE).
Yeah, by now you knew that. In the end, I feel just did not fit personally or professionally with the company, at this point in my career. It was decided by both sides, that we, at this time should no longer do business.
WWE is a great company, and I wish all the people there nothing but the absolute best. Lets face it, WWE is the reason a lot of folks are wrestling fans today.
While there, I learned so much, and was able to reconnect with some old friends, as well as make some new ones.
I thank everyone there for their help and input, and I thank the WWE for the fantastic opportunity.
To my fans, you have been amazing, and I cant thank you enough for the outpouring of support I have received in the last few days. In times like these, you realize who your real friends are. I am so motivated to get back into the ring ASAP.
Thank you all so much, and God bless.
Frankie
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