Some, erm, interesting views on ToonZone.

[MonkeyFunk]

I really hope I'm not breaking any rules here, although I have a nagging feeling that this topic won't end well, so please, don't start a flame war.

This was posted by the webmaster of another animation site (I won't name names):


I have been watching the evil empire, Toonzone. Very Closely. And what I see, is the same liberal bull****. My friends, Toonzone is and will continue for the forseeable future, an ajunt to Cartoon Network. You see, this site (name removed) - is not afraid of AOL Time Warner, Disney, Viacom west and east, or News Corp. Its not afraid of Sony, nor NBC Uni, nor WWE or MsNotNBC. Anybody in the industry that has something wrong, we will expose it. No matter how much power they have. And we will defend who needs defending.

So, why do we defend 4Kids and Pixar? Because they zig towards what Disney was, where as everybody is zagging towards what Disney is becoming. If only 4Kids respected religion like I know they do, I would not be so skittish in my defense of the company.

Does this mean I have a bias? No. I have a bias. My bias is the future of the animation industry. So if that makes me biased because of that, thats fine with me.

But what I have seen is total and utter contempt of what it means to suport animation.

Toonzone does not support animation. End of story. They support anime- which is a part of the whole animation industry, which is fast becoming hybridized to nothingness. I dont like it at all. And the fact that Toonzone has become quiet in the recent outbursts by the fans of the One Piece series, and the fact they have a working (***** calls it Screening) relationship with Cartoon Network- only tells me that Toonzone, is a part of the problem. Its like the Radical Imam’s stating that Islam is the one true religion. Well, this time, in the microcosm level, is anime that is the one true animation…

Which is a major league falsehood.

Toonzone should just come out right now and explain there relationship to cartoon network. If it what I think it is (The out and out blatent attacks on 4Kids by the posters, but near uniamius support for Toonami/Cartoon Network- then attacks on Pixar- then talking to Greg Wiseman, and The Batman’s and JLA writers- where there are other writers on other series…and possble cenoring of opinions by CN), then There needs to be a cleaning of house over there. Starting at the top.

If this the way they want to play, then I am going at them harder. Because your are changing opinions, without giving full histories on issues. Its Toonzones way or nobodies way, and thats wrong. There are some who are tired of the whole game and want out. I understand what and how you feel. But you need to become a wedge against this ********. You did it for Loonitics. You need to offend these bastards at AOL Time Warner. And Disney. And Nick. Give them the hell they need. Because they do live in hell and do hellish things to there bodies and there minds.

I talked to ****** (after giving him piece of my mind) and he stated some things that made my ears perk up. There are things I am starting to wonder about Toonzone- and like I said before- its going to be intresting.


I also removed the name of a TZ staff member who was mentioned a couple of times, jsut to be on the safe side.
Can't honestly say that I know for sure what the guy's talking about. Any guesses?

[Mr Cat Dog]

Nope... but this guy seems to think that people aren't entitled to opinions.

[Stu]

It's Toon Zone! If he's gonna diss us, do it properly dammit! :p

[Nightflower]

As somebody else also pointed out, We're liberal and we're in bed with the corporations? That's unpossible!

[RD!]

God bless Ronixis, champion of the internet!!!

[Dee]

Toonzone should just come out right now and explain there relationship to cartoon network.


he means 'their'


Does this mean I have a bias? No. I have a bias.
Make up your mind, man!



Its Toonzones way or nobodies way, and thats wrong.
nobody's way...



but near uniamius support for Toonami/Cartoon Network-

unanimous...

I guess in this fast-paced world of internet ranting, a quick proofread of something like this is too much for him.

[Tak Mazé]

I don't get it O_o What exactly is the point here? And since when is this an All-Anime site? Just because anime makes up a rather large portion of the industry because of the Japanese's ability to churn out cliché, low budget series at a quick pace, making there always something new to talk about... Nope... No.. I'm not going to go into rant mode xD

[the Amanda]

I love how Toonzone is apparently a giant mass of one opinion now. That's some pretty impressive mind control abilities CN has! I wonder why they don't just use that to get everyone to watch their shows. Seems like it'd be a faster method of world domination.

Also, anime = radical sects of Islam. Got it.

[Ben]

Aw, man, Turnip, why'd you post this? Are you actually taking this guy seriously?

My first question for Capt. Spoonhelmet is, has he actually visited the site? Because the vast majority of it is devoted to American animation. Sure we review a lot of anime, but that's because a lot of anime gets released. And the reviews make up a miniscule (though highly visible) portion of the site.

I'm not Maxie, and so I can't speak for the news as a whole, but I will say something about the "working relationship" thing. Journalists have working relationships with people, because if they didn't they wouldn't be able to report anything, which would make them not sell-outs but bad journalists. This is all irrelevant, though, since our coverage doesn't whitewash anything (the fraud piece (http://news.toonzone.net/article.php?ID=5001) from a few days ago springs to mind, as do our overwhelmingly negative reviews of The Batman, Atomic Betty and a number of other screeners our "working relationship" got us).

But I'm glad this guy has his own site. Keeps him out of our backyard.

[Jave]

When has TZ stated that anime is the only true animation?

[Nobody You Know]

This...

... This is Ronixis, isn't it?

It's more of Ronixis' diseased rantings. I knew that just from the fact that he champions 4Kids. (For whom 90% of their output is repackaged anime. But, of course, CN is the Great Satan who supports nothing but anime. Winner is you, Ronnie.)

Look, Turnip, I like you. And I respect you.

But this? Good god man, you are taking RONIXIS seriously?

*takes a deep breath* Okay, okay... MAAABYE you just haven't seen this jackanapes before. Unlikely- Damn near impossible- But very well. So, I'll take it from the top:

DO NOT TAKE RONIXIS SERIOUSLY.

Go backwards through his newsposts. Read his forums for a little while. Listen to his radio show.

These are things I would suggest no one do, but anyone who isn't familliar with his brand of insanity should take note.

The sooner you learn to ignore or mock his malformed tiraides, the happier you will be.

[MonkeyFunk]

Well, like I said, I wasn't entirely sure where he was coming from, although the fact that he blamed Loonatics on "the liberal establishment" kind of set my alarm bells ringing.
My first reaction to this was "he's a nutter", but I've seen him around a couple of other boards and he always seemed so rational... the things you learn about a guy, hm?

[HellCat]

We're an evil empire?...He's plotting with the Ewoks, no doubt!

[Aquadementia]

What I don't like is when stuff like this is posted and no source is given.
It was the same problem with recent John K. threads.
I just can't judge it as having much value if there is no way for anyone to verify where this came from or the context it was presented.

I guess others seem to know who this guy is, but in the future I hope when someone posts an article or something they will include references.



As far as what was posted:

So, Toon Zone is some sort of giant that is beating down the animation industry?
Wow, I didn't realize they might be giants. (http://www.cduniverse.com/soundsample.asp?PID=1095578&cart=263624043&se=13&P=R&ram=us%2Fusrm%2F373%2F150373%5F1%5F14%2Eram%3Fobj%3Dv10212)


What the heck is his point about 4Kids?
Cartoon Network airs plenty of 4Kids shows.
And then he goes off on anime, when anime is 4Kids bread and butter.
It makes no sense.

Is it so wrong that I want Sketch to get an important job at 4Kids?



Getting screeners is more of a press type relationship and I like it that I can get info from Toon Zone staffers. It's great that this kind of thing is nolonger limited to monolithic print of television media, who have limited space to devote to animation. But here we can get several eyes on it and it's immediately open for discussion.

[HellCat]

Getting screeners is more of a press type relationship and I like it that I can get info from Toon Zone staffers. It's great that this kind of thing is nolonger limited to monolithic print of television media, who have limited space to devote to animation. But here we can get several eyes on it and it's immediately open for discussion.
Indeed. Since the internet took off, publicity is a completly different ball game. The average joe now has the resources to create a hub for themselves and fellow fans to share news and opinions and the larger and more well run of these sites are perfect for promotion. Who are you more gonna listen to the opinion of- an official promotional site which tells you this show/film is incredible with no faults or a credible fansite review which fairly lists pros and cons?

[Majin_Megabyte]

Not Ronixis from Gamefaqs. He never will learn. -sigh-

[Matt Hazuda]

Given all his rantings, I'm guessing this Ronixis chap is of the "special" variety and was probably dropped on his head by his mommy (or the orphanage's headmaster) many times as a baby. Too bad it wasn't more effective :evil:

[Duke]

Is it really THAT hard to spell "Toon Zone" right? I mean, there's a noticible space in between the words on the logo up there, and the "Z" is just as big as the "T" is, so what's with "Toonzone"?

[Wanted]

Is it really THAT hard to spell "Toon Zone" right? I mean, there's a noticible space in between the words on the logo up there, and the "Z" is just as big as the "T" is, so what's with "Toonzone"?Just what I was thinking. We call it "TZ" for a reason. Not "Tz," not "T," but "TZ." Not "Toonzone," but "Toon Zone." That goes double for Adult Swim.

[Tak Mazé]

Reading this guys site makes me want to burst out laughing xD I do share his fear about the anime-ification of future US animation though.

[guinaevere]

Are you actually taking this guy seriously? It's nothing more than a jealousy thing. It's a child throwing a tantrum because no one listens to or takes him seriously. And tantrum-throwing, while not in the least a mature or intelligent manner of debate or compromise, it is at the very most, an effective method of getting attention.

By anyone at TZ getting frustrated over this, Rs achieving his aim. Ignore the blighter. His ravings were never worth a second thought. This is no exception.

[Nobody You Know]

I do share his fear about the anime-ification of future US animation though. There's a lot of stuff comming up right now that have little if anything to do with anime. American animation isn't going anywhere, it's just evolving.

... The anime rips do make it hard to see it that way, but fear not. The world he envisions is not likely to come to pass in any sane universe.

[SirLemming]

Wow, this is hilarious. What a dumb thing to rant about. It's not so much a pack of lies as it is a big "So what?" If everything he said were completely accurate, would it really matter? It's just a web site about animation. Our role in society is very limited.

[Maxie Zeus]

There's not much point in arguing with this guy. It's pretty clear there's nothing we can say that can change his mind. But in case some people are wondering what he's going on about, I thought I'd offer a sort of response.

First of all, I can't speak for Toon Zone itself, for its hosted sites, or for the forums. But I'm the editor of the news pages (http://news.toonzone.net/), and I can say a few things about it.


I have been watching the evil empire, Toonzone. Very Closely. And what I see, is the same liberal bull****. My friends, Toonzone is and will continue for the forseeable future, an ajunt to Cartoon Network. You see, this site (name removed) - is not afraid of AOL Time Warner, Disney, Viacom west and east, or News Corp. Its not afraid of Sony, nor NBC Uni, nor WWE or MsNotNBC.

Well, Toon Zone isn't afraid of these companies either. As we recently demonstrated (http://news.toonzone.net/article.php?ID=4874), we're not afraid to let them have it with both barrels.


Toonzone does not support animation. End of story. They support anime- which is a part of the whole animation industry, which is fast becoming hybridized to nothingness. I dont like it at all. And the fact that Toonzone has become quiet in the recent outbursts by the fans of the One Piece series,

We don't "support" anime. We report on it, just as we post news on news (http://news.toonzone.net/article.php?ID=5077) on (http://news.toonzone.net/article.php?ID=5075) lots (http://news.toonzone.net/article.php?ID=5070) of (http://news.toonzone.net/article.php?ID=5069) animation (http://news.toonzone.net/article.php?ID=5065)-related (http://news.toonzone.net/article.php?ID=5062) stuff (http://news.toonzone.net/article.php?ID=5057). We do publish a lot of reviews (http://news.toonzone.net/section.php?ID=7) of anime titles, but that is for two reasons. First, the volume of anime that is released to DVD is larger than the volume of non-anime that is released. Second, our reviewers rely upon free copies provided by the studios and networks, and the anime distributors are much more open-handed with the stuff they send us. If we want to review a Disney DVD, for instance, one of our reviewers has to go out and pay retail for it. If we want to review a Geneon title, we usually only have to ask Geneon for a free copy, and we will get it. That doesn't stop us from ripping into releases that we dislike.

No one working at this site gets a salary. We're all volunteers, and most of us are still in high school or college. Our staff doesn't have a lot of $$$ to spend on DVDs.


and the fact they have a working (***** calls it Screening) relationship with Cartoon Network

The author is trying to refer to "screeners," which are the free copies that studios and networks send to reviewers. This is a long-standing service that studios provide to reviewers, both internet and deadwood. The reason you're able to read a review in The New York Times on the day a movie opens is because the studio let the Times critic see it several days early. Similarly, networks routinely send "screeners" of upcoming episode premieres and special event episodes to TV critics so that newspapers, magazines, and websites can run advance reviews.


Toonzone should just come out right now and explain there relationship to cartoon network.

Cartoon Network sends us screeners, press releases, and supporting images. That is a service they provide to all media, and we're lucky that they treat us on a par with the big-league publishers. That is the extent of our relationship with them.

We don't even publish everything that they send us. For instance, they routinely send us press releases hyping their latest weekly ratings. We rarely publish that news because those press releases do not contain enough to make the info meaningful. In a release CN might tout the latest numbers of, say, Kids Next Door without mentioning that it routinely gets whomped in the ratings by whatever is on Nickelodeon opposite it. We do not have access to full sets of ratings numbers that would let us write objective news articles on how Cartoon Network does in the ratings, so we generally don't publish anything on its ratings.


If it what I think it is (The out and out blatent attacks on 4Kids by the posters, but near uniamius support for Toonami/Cartoon Network- then attacks on Pixar- then talking to Greg Wiseman, and The Batman’s and JLA writers- where there are other writers on other series…and possble cenoring of opinions by CN), then There needs to be a cleaning of house over there. Starting at the top.

The author plainly doesn't read our message forums or our reviews. Otherwise he would have noticed that Matt Wilson is one of our more prolific reviewers and prolific posters and also one of the most splenetically outspoken critics of Cartoon Network.

For the rest of what he posts... I have no idea what he's talking about.

[Maxie Zeus]

And now, for your further amusement: Dancing Walken!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v201/KnuxFive/1123607488924.gif

[Dee]

And now, for your further amusement: Dancing Walken!


Score!!!

[Nobody You Know]

And now, for your further amusement: Dancing Walken!
This is a far more productive and sensible way to respond to Ronixis. (Such things are also more likely to piss him off, which is the best you can hope to do. Responding with logic only gives him more food to metabolize, so that he may, eight hours later, hurl the fecal matter that was once your intelligent argument back in your face.)

[Shnay]

Okay, okay... MAAABYE you just haven't seen this jackanapes before. Unlikely- Damn near impossible- But very well.I've never heard of the guy before. Is he really that Internet Famous?

[Majin_Megabyte]

Lets just say he's famous on the gamefaqs message board. Anyway most of the time I thinks his rants are funny and sad at the time. Because he spends alot of his time on a rant. But it's his opinion, even though I disagree with it.

[I.R Joey]

We're an evil empire?...He's plotting with the Ewoks, no doubt!I'm sorry but that made me laugh dude. I feel evil and crazed now. Crazy enough to blow up my daughter's home planet just because she's back sassen me.

Anyway, back on target. I will give the man one point Toonzone does have a bias towards CN/Time Warner products. This is not suprising to anyone who knows the not so secret origans of TZ. But still like I said in my thread about Toonzone being out of the mainstream....

how is it that we have four CN boards, to one for both Disney and Nick. Especially since CN comes in third place as far as ratings (I think anyway). It's probably something we need to address more.

But this guy is clearly overlooking alot of what goes on here at Toonzone. I mean did he miss the Kim Possible fans trying to save the show? Hasn't he been paying attention to all the praise many of us (including me) have been giving Nick for their branching out into action cartoons? There me a bias, but we are certainly not afraid to praise non Time Warner shows/movies when the do something right. And even so, look at the severe schalacking the WB recieved over Loonatics, some of the ugliest insults hurled at that show and that corporation came from right here on Toonzone. Hey, even right now you can hop on over to the CN board right now and join the dog pile (or Dino pile) on the proposed Land before time series. Or complain with the Boomerang board people about CN axing the old cartoons.

But the most proposeterous thing of all is him comparing us to radical Imans. Yes boys and girls you heard me correctly RADICAL IMANS?!? He is comparing a bunch of posters on a cartoon site to Al-Quadea and the Jihadist movement. Enough said...nuff said indeed.

If only this person could make more coherant arguments.

[Duke]

how is it that we have four CN boards, to one for both Disney and Nick. Especially since CN comes in third place as far as ratings (I think anyway). It's probably something we need to address more. But look at the traffic for the Disney & Nick boards as compared to the CN boards. Part of it is because the vast majority of these two companies' fanbases are under 13, and part of it is that they don't really interact with us. We rarely recieve any news from Nick or Disney (aside from some schedule updates) and the only screener (I believe) we've ever gotten from either of them has been one disc of All Grown Up, despite our many, many, many requests. CN may not be a very good channel right now, but they're rather forthcoming.

[Nobody You Know]

If only this person could make more coherant arguments. Ah, I've told him this, but he dosen't even know where to begin...

And really, when he's comparing Japan to the Visigoths, Toon Zone to radical Islams, and CN to Adolph Hitler, where do you begin...?

(And then, he has the audacity to say that anyone who detracts from him is a 4Kids basher that loves CN. Well, that may be true, but that's like saying "Everyone who reads this message is a carbon-based life form"...)

[Ben]

and the only screener (I believe) we've ever gotten from either of them has been one disc of All Grown Up, despite our many, many, many requests.

Actually Paramount (Nickelodeon) has been very good about sending screeners regularly and promptly (we have published several SpongeBob reviews from Nick screeners and we have a Ren & Stimpy review upcoming). They just don't have very frequent releases.

We haven't managed to break into Disney yet, though.

[MonkeyFunk]

Found in his news archives:


You do not know who what you have done, you have signed your own death warrent- and anybody that stands in the way of justice- shall reap the whirlwind. You have crossed the line, for the FINAL time. No more warnings. Toonzone, you have outlived your usefullness, and so have these rabble rowsers. The time is ripe to finish these malcontents. Yes, there can be dissent, but this has gone too damn far. Its time to push back. And Push back hard.

Oh no, run for the hills! He's going to rant about visigoths at us!


Man, I've stumbled onto the funniest thing since the mutant food gallery.

[MahouShoujo13]

What the heck is with this guy? :confused:


I don't have a clue what he's talking about. Can someone tell me? Please?

[True Noir]

If only 4Kids respected religion like I know they do, I would not be so skittish in my defense of the company.
Funniest line in there......does that even make since? He's contradicting his own statement.

[Matt Hazuda]

What the heck is with this guy? :confused:


I don't have a clue what he's talking about. Can someone tell me? Please?He's what you call "El Retardo." He really needs some man-urine to moisten his dreams with :D

[Karl Olson]

What the heck is with this guy? :confused:


I don't have a clue what he's talking about. Can someone tell me? Please?

He's just crazy and ill-informed.

[Kagetsu]

He's just crazy and ill-informed.
:p He didn't even get ToonZone right. I couldn't find anything that made even the remotest sense. I was going to pick apart the main mistakes,,, there were just too many :shrug:

[Aquadementia]

You do not know who what you have done, you have signed your own death warrent- and anybody that stands in the way of justice- shall reap the whirlwind. I do enjoy freshly reaped whirlwind, especially with sliced banana and whole milk. Wait, I may be thinking of corn flakes for some reason.

Anyhow, I don't think we need to keep making fun of this guy.

And besides, I keep getting stuck staring at this for hours.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v201/KnuxFive/1123607488924.gif

[Matt Hazuda]

I like potatoes!

http://www.picture-newsletter.com/vegetables/potatoes.jpg

[Chad Bonin]

Nice to know the Dancing Walken pic I found is put to good use.

[Yash]

Ah yes. Ronixis. I know him from GameFAQs... didn't know he had a site.

Thanks, you gave me something to google.

[Artimus Gigan]

He probably just read one of Matt Wilson's reviews and decided to base everything off of it...his soul probably couldn't take the verbal crushing...

Besides what's he gonna do, Toonzone exists on the internet, to destroy Toonzone you need to destroy the internet

and the only way to destroy the internet is probably with X-Wings...

and to get X-Wings you need to get the licencing fees from George Lucas...


So all he is doing is throwing words because he can't do jack-squat...
Also he is apparently another fool who misuses the word "justice" and takes it lightly, only fools speak of justice casualy, for true justice is swift, swift and divine.

Though part of me wishes that he would stage a massive board invasion causing the creation of Terminal Core threads to coagulate the spam, of which I desire so much and enjoy...

[Maxie Zeus]

Nice to know the Dancing Walken pic I found is put to good use.

Yeah, I forgot to credit you for finding that. Sorry, and thanks for it. :sweat:

[Catlover]

Ah, I had almost forgoten about Roni. I was somewhat hoping they took him off the internet and locked him up in a loony bin.

As long as he doesn't join TZ, I'm fine.

[I.R Joey]

He's what you call "El Retardo." He really needs some man-urine to moisten his dreams with :D
Well I wouldn't make fun of mentally retarded people, they unfortunately have problems that they have no say or control over. This guy on the other hand seems...off. I mean he obviously has a somewhat decent understanding of history, but to apply it to the things he does, in the way that he does demonstrates a rather flawed sense of reasoning. I mean Toonzone like radical imans? There is just no defending that.

[Ben]

He's what you call "El Retardo." He really needs some man-urine to moisten his dreams with :D

I don't really know what you're saying, but I know it's gross. Please keep it clean. Criticism of this guy is unavoidable but if this thread turns into a "find vulgar ways to insult Ronixis" competition it will be closed.

[Matt Hazuda]

:: sighs as he realizes no one saw that episode of SGC2C :: :sweat:

[the Amanda]

I feel sorry for the guy. If you look at his website/blog thingy, he goes on and on about how animation fans are going to rise up and do this and that, and the fans can't take it anymore, and everyone supports him. But then his forums are practically empty, and the only comments he ever gets are insults from Portal of Evil people. He's just...a sad person.

[Yash]

As long as he doesn't join TZ, I'm fine.Somehow I get the feeling that he's already here.

I'll give you a hint. My suspect's name begins with "R".