B:tas --> B/s --> Jl --> Bb

[Squall]

I know that this has come up before in other species and variants, and I know that Bruce Timm said in his interview that Batman Beyond is a "possible" future, but it's just really bugging me.

As a fan of all four TV shows, I really, really, REALLY want all four TV shows to go together as one coherent storyline! It would be such beautiful poetry if it did. And it can -- Justice League is in the perfect position to tie it all together (where it hasn't already all been tied together).

I would like, in the end, the four TV shows to read from beginning to end like this:

Batman: The Animated Series --> The Batman/Superman Adventures --> Justice League --> Batman Beyond --> Justice League Unlimited

(I just threw in the JLU show as a "that would rock, but it probably won't happen" idea)

It would be perfect poetry. Assuming the viewers are only watching the TV shows, and know nothing of the comics (which appears to be the case for the typical viewers of these shows, as Timm said), we could start with Batman alone, then add Superman, then use Superman to introduce others (GL, Aquaman, Flash, Dr. Fate, etc.), then bring it all together in Justice League, then "start over", so to speak, with Batman Beyond, which would (I wish) finish off with a Justice League Unilimited series. What a beautifully arranged symphony!

Am I the only one that strongly believes that Dini & Timm should find a way to make all their TV shows go together like this? I hope I'm not the only one who hopes this... :o

[The Flash]

You forgot STAS!!!! :)

[Clayface]

Eh. I really don't care if they fit together or not. While I enjoyed Batman Beyond, its not the future I want for the animated Batman, and I don't really have any problem with each show being its own little world. I believe that several things done in the various shows violate continuity already anyway - there's the whole GL mess just to start with (see the Timm interview for more on that).

[pencilsharp]

I believe that several things done in the various shows violate continuity already anyway...
Ugh, continuity... The bane of good stories. :mad:
Guys, if it works with other eps, then it works. BB doesn't seem like a good future to you? Then leave it by itself. I do. (Eyes left for my preference)
This whole idea of forcing continuity is what has pretty much driven the entire mainstream comic industry into the septic tank. Sure, you don't want to ignore what happened last season, but there's no call for requiring that the ep you just spent four weeks of your life writing doesn't violate a background in BTAS' second ep.
And don't get me started on GL. I'm still ticked about the news item on Kyle Rayner. Bring back Mogo. (He doesn't socialize... :) )
Audi!
~pS~

[Terminal]

I'm with you all the way, squall. There are too many references to the previous series,i.e. Bruce mentioning Superman going rogue (STAS-BB)/ Luscious' FoxTech existing in BB (BTAS-BB) Terry fighting synthoids that resemble Bruce's old enemies (TNBA-BB). It all just fits (JL has yet to contradict the continuity). I simplify like this: If BB isn't BTAS' future, then what is? Are we never to know, I don't think so... though I'm sure others would disagree.

[The Mad Hatter]

Call me wacky, but I just enjoy each show for what they are, and I don't sweat the continuity.

[The Flash]

I like continuity, but it doens't have to be perfect. It's okay if it's slightly diffrent here and there. Which is what it looks like they are doing so far w/ JL. :)

[Bobby Boy 101]

hey for those ppl who are disagreeing about whether BB is a possible future or not think of it this way:

Any future is a possible one. Like in 'It's a Wonderful Life', thet was a POSSIBLE future, but It was what was ging to happen IF every thing happened a certain way.

So think of BB as the future that is going to happen, unless something happens inbetween JL and the ROTJ flashback (and dont argue about that, it did happen after JL) that would drastically change the future.

Hey, the change in future could be anything from Babs and bruce staying together untill BB or just Bruce running out for Orange Juice when those Jokerz chased Terry to Bruce's house. Simple as that

Also, Timm and Co. only said BB was a possible future for those ppl that hate BB. If they had it their way and people werent always complaining about crap like this, they would be free to express their own opinions with out having 'BB haters' throw rotton food at them...

[FLIPMODE]

Hey I see it as, if they wanted to add another "Possible" future to the animated Series, they could. Who knows what possibilites they may have down the road, they would'nt want to limit themselves if BB was'nt as successful.

Now if they wanted to they could have the LOS, alter the past again. And the Batman of the Future would have something to do with Dick Grayson and Tim.

[Maxie Zeus]

Originally posted by FLIPMODE
Hey I see it as, if they wanted to add another "Possible" future to the animated Series, they could.

Well, you know, if you take this logic far enough you can arrive at the conclusion that each episode/comic/story is just a "possible" present--something that might happen to Batman hasn't necessarily happened to him in the current universe--and then the whole idea of "continuity" goes out the window.:p

I'm with Hatter: I don't care about continuity.

[Clayface]

Originally posted by Maxie Zeus

I'm with Hatter: I don't care about continuity.

Hey! I said it first! Give me some credit! :p

[metaphysician]

I'd say that continuity is something that should, preferably, be preserved, but not at the expense of the story.

In my mind, the big no-no is not violating continuity, but UNKNOWINGLY violating continuity ( i.e., the writers just plain forget something ). Deciding that Kyle Raynor never became GL is one thing; having the JL search out the "mysterious" Dr Fate when Supes knows where he lives and is on good terms, because the writers forgot about that episode, is another ( not good ) thing.

[Maxie Zeus]

Originally posted by Clayface
Hey! I said it first! Give me some credit! :p

But it goes without saying: Great minds think alike! :D

[Nightwing]

Originally posted by The Mad Hatter
Call me wacky, but I just enjoy each show for what they are, and I don't sweat the continuity.

I agree with Wacky Braky and Clayface. I love the continuous story habbits a lot of our animated DC world has, but I just enjoy all of the shows on their own. :)

Besides, as I believe I've said in a few other posts about this topic so please forgive any repetition, trying to work it all out is just too hard on the noggin'. Ow! Bat-brain-freeze!

And hey, great minds think alike. BUT: great minds think for themselves. :D

[The Mad Hatter]

"Wacky Bracky?" Looks like I stepped right into that one... :D

[ZorBrak]

hey, since I liked batman beyond but didn't like the thought of an old helpless bruce a made a story to tie BB in the same universe that should suit anti bb fans and pro bb fans...that is unnless you really like Terry...http://forums.toonzone.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=14907 check it out I worked hard on it

[Squall]

Wow!

ZorBrak, you write a lot! Have you ever thought about submitting your story ideas (since they're so well developed already) to Dini & Timm. I don't know how WB works, but I know that at Paramount, fans of the five Star Trek TV shows (the ones currently running at the time, I mean) could submit story ideas. Basically the only requirement was that you signed a two-page paper that basically said "I'm giving away these ideas for free, so I won't sue Paramount or pitch a tantrum if Paramount uses these ideas in a Star Trek episode."

I've always wondered whether or not WB does this with their TV shows, particularly the four Dini/Timm DC Universe TV shows we all love so much...

Speaking of script ideas... I still love the idea of a Joker/Bane teamup against Batman movie. (If they make this as a direct-to-video movie, like Return of the Joker, I personally think they oughtta make it in the Batman/Superman Adventures animation style...

[ZorBrak]

gee, thanks I put alot of thought and hard work into how to closing off Batman Beyond, it seems I upset a few BB fans, so I may post a fan fic with a somewhat revised plot behind it soon, but I won't change it radically, I may find a way to intergrate Terry more, as a good guy, but it will take some time, but thanks for the compliments, and yeah I have given thought to working on stories for WB...still waiting for that offer guys ;) but till then I will just post these for the fans :)


(and PS to all the BB fans who were upset by the ending, I am a BB fan too so don't think I enjoyed killing Terry of, I really liked the show alot, I taped every episode, and I am trying to come up with a way to bring Terry into the story more, as a good guy, and maybe try to not kill him off, but it will take some time, the new superman adventures where Terry travels back in time (#64) is going to make things more difficult, and frankly I think the issue was poorly written so maybe I will just not acknowledge its existence when I revise my story, thanks for your considration and understanding, writing a story that will please ALL fans isn't an easy task )