Talkback: Dragonball Z Uncut [7/25 - 7/28]

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Whether you're watching the show uncut for the first time, watching the show to compare and contrast between the two English dubs and the original Japanese version, or if you just like complaining, everyone loves the Dragonball Z Uncut talkback.



This Week's Episodes:

Episode 24: The Power of Nappa [7/25]
Episode 25: Sacrifice [7/26]
Episode 26: Nappa's Rampage [7/27]
Episode 27: Nimbus Speed [7/28]

[G1Ravage]

Tonight's episode:

English - "The Power of Nappa"

Japanese - "Farewell Ten! Chaozu's Suicide Strategy"

[G1Ravage]

Oh...so THAT'S why Kuririn ran across the battlefield! You'd never know why in the Saban version.

Hmm...guess that's not growing back. :sad:

[Space Cadet]

Oh...so THAT'S why Kuririn ran across the battlefield! You'd never know why in the Saban version.

Hmm...guess that's not growing back. :sad:
lol, yeah. It amazing that even in the Japanese version, no blood is pouring out of Tien's arm.

[Kazuya Prower]

YAY! no "You just wait til it grows back!" line!!

[Vidfreak]

Is there a reason why Funimation doesnt show the next episode preview anymore?

[Rabi~en~Rose]

since DB hasnt been shown in forever when and how did Chaotzu die the first time and get wished back :confused: thats something I don't remember at all. I felt bad for Piccolo since his attempts to hype Gohan up failed after it was shown Nappa lived on :( first great episode in awhile

[Kazuya Prower]

What bugs me is why was Tien squirting out yellow-glowing blood? This also happened in the japanese version.

[Demonic Raven]

Great episode. Krillin pulls out a great attack, Nappa begins his assault on Tien, and then the sad sacrifice of Chaotzu. Voice work was good, especially for Tien.

9/10

Hooray for no arms growing back, and more of Roshi's perversion!

[Space Cadet]

since DB hasnt been shown in forever when and how did Chaotzu die the first time and get wished back :confused: thats something I don't remember at all. I felt bad for Piccolo since his attempts to hype Gohan up failed after it was shown Nappa lived on :( first great episode in awhile
I believe Chaozu died the first time by one of King Piccolo's "sons."

[CyberCubed]

"He's been disarmed." - Vegeta. :D

Loved seeing Krillin take out the remaining Saibaman. I also loved the fact that one was left over and nearly killed Gohan, it shows how much Piccolo really cares for Goku's kid.

Nice to see TOEI and a bit of continuity with Goku passing by Princess Snakes palace again.

Yamcha is dead, Tien loses an arm, and Chaotsu sacrifices himself in vain...things are not looking good for our heroes. Only Goku can help them now against the diabolical Nappa.

...

Jeez...I sound like FUNI's narrator. :ack:

[Baseball]

since DB hasnt been shown in forever when and how did Chaotzu die the first time and get wished back :confused: thats something I don't remember at all. I'm pretty sure that Piccolo Daimao killed him before or after using the Dragonballs.

Unfortunately, I missed the first ten minutes of this episode. But at least I didn't miss anything too important. Tien's arm surprisingly clots very fast.

[G1Ravage]

since DB hasnt been shown in forever when and how did Chaotzu die the first time and get wished back :confused: thats something I don't remember at all. I felt bad for Piccolo since his attempts to hype Gohan up failed after it was shown Nappa lived on :( first great episode in awhile
Chaozu was killed by Piccolo Daimao when he tried to counter Piccolo's wish with a wish of his own. He was wished back to life a few months later, when Kami restored Shen Long to life, and agreed to allow Bulma and the others to make a wish BEFORE the one-year limit was up.

[Ultra Mike]

To those asking about Chatzou's first death (don't know why it's a spoiler since Dragonball's already been played out completely)...

Chatzou was killed when Evil Demon King Piccolo was wishing for Immortality. Chatzou tried to call out for the dragon to destroy Piccolo but Piccolo heard him and killed him with a simple finger blast. He was revived after King Piccolo was killed by Goku and the Dragon had been resurrected (since it had been killed by King Piccolo after the Dragon gave him his youth back).

EDIT: You know it's hard answering questions like this when someone will just answer them as you are. Sorry about that G1Ravage.

[Warrior Kitana]

Another Z-fighter bites the dust, but it won't be the last. Too bad Chaotzu's suicide attack was pretty much useless and wasted on attempting to kill Nappa.

Tien's arm got cut off. I don't think I'll ever forget that line in the saban dub where Tien talks about his arm growing back.

Krillen actually shows that he's not weak and takes out all (except one) of the remaining Saibamen. Piccolo begins to show more and more of how much he cares for Gohan. Piccolo's beginning to become more and more of a father figure to Gohan.

Geez, Master Roshi sure picks some of the worst times to grop Bulma. Just a minute ago, she was mourning Yamcha's death.

[Kazuya Prower]

I think we all got the point about Chaozu's first death.

[bigddan11]

FUNi doesn't show the next episode preview because they apparently weren't able to negotiate the rights for them.

[Kazuya Prower]

Just wait til you see who dies next.

[Master Moron]

Geez, Master Roshi sure picks some of the worst times to grop Bulma. Just a minute ago, she was mourning Yamcha's death.


Hmmm...I actually one time read a magazine where it said the best time to hit on a girl was when she was in mourning...never tried it though...

Anyway, today Chao Zu proves how useless he is when he sacrifices his life and doesn't even manage to damage Nappa's armor. So, really, Chao Zu got beaten by a piece of armor.

[CyberCubed]

You have to wonder what is up with that crazy camera crew attempting to film this battle.

An entire city with a population of who knows how many people die in an instant, and the reporters even SEE Nappa shoot down one of their helicopters and kill some of their friends...yet they're hiding behind some rocks attempting to film the fight anyway?

Not to mention the constant vibration from the fights, the levitating boulders, the huge explosions, as well as the ground splitting apart should have given these people the clue to "Get the hell out of there!"

It's funny how everyone on Earth must have amnesia or something, because after people are watching this fight on television, they end up being completely shocked a few years later when it's during the Cell games or during the tournament in the Buu saga.

People jumping 50 feet in the air at a tournament shouldn't shock anyone, especially after the tournaments in Dragonball.

[G1Ravage]

EDIT: You know it's hard answering questions like this when someone will just answer them as you are. Sorry about that G1Ravage.
It's better to have a bunch of right answers than a bunch of wrong answers. :anime:

[Jack Frenzy]

That's it Bulma, mourn the man you were "planning to marry."

In a few years, you'll marry the guy who ordered his death.:sad:

[TurtleTitan]

I think it's about time I started to post in these talkbacks...

You know, it really sucks that Chaozu killed himself and ended up doing nothing for them. And I'm surprised at the lack of blood in this episode (even in the Jap version), especially when part of Tien's arm is ripped off.

[kempobot]

It's great watching these agains, and it kinda sucks how everyone has to die in this... IMO what really would've made the series more interesting is if Yamcha dies and never gets wished back which would add more agony to Bulma and would make more sense when she falls for Vegeta. Tien lives but has to live the rest of his life with one arm, he also backs out when it's time to go to Namek, Chaotsu dies and never gets wished back either (since he already died once), which would make Tenshinhan want to become more of a bad arse. And Piccolo dies, but gets wished back on Namek.... Meh, but it's still good as it is.:)

[G1Ravage]

What bugs me is why was Tien squirting out yellow-glowing blood? This also happened in the japanese version.
It was a strange, negative-color effect.

[RAINMAN]

The battle between the Z fighters and the sayans are all filler sceanes along whit anything happing at roshi house. In the manga bllos was running out of tien arm when it gets cut off.

[Kaiser0120]

Wow, please tell me I'm not the only one who actually enjoyed the music in the episode, and thought that, other than the "disarmed" line, the script was pretty good?

Usually, I'm not a fan of either. But things seemed to have gotten much better, and that's nice. ^_^

[G1Ravage]

Wow, please tell me I'm not the only one who actually enjoyed the music in the episode, and thought that, other than the "disarmed" line, the script was pretty good?

Usually, I'm not a fan of either. But things seemed to have gotten much better, and that's nice. ^_^
Yeah, all things considered, this ep was pretty good.

Except for Sonny Strait's acting.

[A.Magik]

Y'know, when a DB villain performs a kamikaze attack (Saibaman, Cell), he is successful.

When a DB hero performs a kamikaze attack (Kame'sen-nin, Chaouzu, Vejita), he fails big time.

A.Magik

[djthomp]

Haven't ever seen this part of the series before, so not knowing what was gonna happen I was actually proud of Roshi for a few minutes, he seemed to be controlling himself and just comforting Bulma. Heh, it didn't last long.

[Ultra Mike]

It's better to have a bunch of right answers than a bunch of wrong answers. :anime:
That's a nice way of thinking of it G1Ravage. Thanks.:)


IMO what really would've made the series more interesting is if Yamcha dies and never gets wished back which would add more agony to Bulma and would make more sense when she falls for Vegeta. Tien lives but has to live the rest of his life with one arm, he also backs out when it's time to go to Namek, Chaotsu dies and never gets wished back either (since he already died once), which would make Tenshinhan want to become more of a bad arse. And Piccolo dies, but gets wished back on Namek.... Meh, but it's still good as it is
That would be a pretty intresting idea

Although that would mean Tien wouldn't die in the battle with the Sayians since if he did die, he would have to be wished back, thus the others would be wished back. I could see them only wishing back Piccolo for the Nameckian Dragonballs and then time running out to use the Earth ones, so it would work out like that if they went that route.


The battle between the Z fighters and the sayans are all filler sceanes along whit anything happing at roshi house. In the manga bllos was running out of tien arm when it gets cut off.
Uh the Roshi scenes I know are filler, but did you say the battles between the Z Fighters and the Sayians are filler? Because they're not. There are some things that weren't in the manga from the battle (in fact I believe we'll see one of those things tonight) but the majority of it is not anime filler.


Y'know, when a DB villain performs a kamikaze attack (Saibaman, Cell), he is successful.

When a DB hero performs a kamikaze attack (Kame'sen-nin, Chaouzu, Vejita), he fails big time.To the hero list you can add Goku, who tried to blow himself up in the Super 17 arc but Super 17 created a shield that spared both of them (thus being one of the few to survive a REAL self destruct attempt. Since you know he's the hero and stuff).

To the villian list you can add Super Buu. He self destructed in order to get away and pass time until Goten and Trunks could fuse again so he could absorb Gotenks.

[CyberCubed]

Wow, please tell me I'm not the only one who actually enjoyed the music in the episode, and thought that, other than the "disarmed" line, the script was pretty good?

Hey, the "disarmed" line was excellent.

It actually got me to laugh out loud.

Reminds me of some Saban lines that were actually funny.

[Kazuya Prower]

They played dramatic music in the japanese version when Chaozu sacrificed himself and TenShinhan's reaction to it.

[Beat]

That's it Bulma, mourn the man you were "planning to marry."

In a few years, you'll marry the guy who ordered his death.:sad:
When you put it that way, Bulma sounds just as bad, if not worse, than Vegeta.

So, what have we learned today kids?

1. Arms don't grow back when humans lose them.

2. Chaozu is even more useless than once thought. The damn Saibaman managed to kill it's target doing the exact same thing.

3. Roshi may not be a decent fighter anymore, but he still has it when it comes to being a perv.

[HumanoidTyphoon]

I find it amazing that Nappa can punch off someone's arm, dbz needed more stuff like that. Also Chaozu vs. Nappa is one of dbz's funniest moments.

[Master Moron]

Wow, please tell me I'm not the only one who actually enjoyed the music in the episode, and thought that, other than the "disarmed" line, the script was pretty good?


Not really, though the music is definitely better than Bruce Falconaur's crap, they keep way too many old lines, including Nappa's line, "You're a saiyan, you should be enjoying this." How the hell does Nappa know that Gohan's a saiyan when his tail is tucked inside his clothes? And I really don't think saiyans enjoy their allies being killed any more than humans...


I find it amazing that Nappa can punch off someone's arm, dbz needed more stuff like that.

Yes, it is surprising how few fights lose limbs in battle considering how strong these fighters become. After the Freeza saga these guys should easily be able to take off an opponents arm if necessary. Though, I think that was actually a special technique that Nappa designed to take off Tenshinhan's arm. Notice the electricity surrounding Tenshinhan's arm before Nappa hit it.

[CyberCubed]

they keep way too many old lines, including Nappa's line, "You're a saiyan, you should be enjoying this." How the hell does Nappa know that Gohan's a saiyan when his tail is tucked inside his clothes?

Maybe Nappa heard that Goku had a son via the scouter Radditz was wearing?

Who knows, they might have been listening when Radditz first landed on Roshi's Island to kidnap Gohan. Vegeta and Nappa were just eating by a campfire, they could have been listening on Radditz mission the entire time.

[G1Ravage]

Tonight's episode:

English - "Sacrifice"

Japanese - "Tenshinhan Cries Out!! This is My Last Kikoho"

[G1Ravage]

Ugh...I can't believe they used the "Earth's Special Forces" line.

[Space Cadet]

Gohan, fire the freakin blast! Coward.:sad:

[Umino]

Thank you, Funimation.

FOR RUINING ANOTHER EMOTIONAL SCENE.

[G1Ravage]

Well, at least they changed Tien's "cowboy" line. But they made absolutely no mention that Tenshinhan was using his potentially fatal "Kikoho" (Tri-beam) attack.

[CyberCubed]

Another great episode today.

Tien uses up the last of his energy in a failed attempt, and dies in vain. Loved the Dragonball flashbacks by the way, those were cut out from the Saban dub so I never got to see them before.

We also see Vegeta's dominance over Nappa, I thought it was funny that Nappa tried to ignore him and continue attacking.

Also amusing to see that guy on Snake way fall off again because of Goku speeding past him. :p

[Youko Recca]

If only Vegeta had called the break before Tien decided to GO ALL OUT.

[Warrior Kitana]

The number count of the Z-senshi keeps getting lower. I actually thought that Tien held up a fight on his own despite having one arm to use.

I don't really blame Gohan much for being afraid. This is his first battle and he's only five years old. Seeing your teammates get slaughtered by this huge powerful guy and noone seems to have found any weaknesses in him yet would be pretty intimidating. Gohan has yet to fully discover just how powerful he really is. Not to mention that Gohan doesn't like fighting much to begin with, he doesn't have it in him.

Nappa seems pretty afraid of Vegeta. I wonder if Nappa is intimidated of Vegeta because he's his prince or because he knows how powerful Vegeta really is.

[sdp]

I def. think this battle is not as epic to people who didn't watch DB first, i mean the whole background of the characters is gone, you can't care as much about them as someone who did.

Also when i first saw this years ago it was a very emotional episode but it just didn't seem like it. I think it's because of the sub.

[Demonic Raven]

Another great episode. Tien goes all out due to his rage over Chiaotzu's death, and later on Piccolo and Krillin give it their all. I loved the duplication move they did. It's too bad Gohan is still a coward, though..I would have liked to see his attack. The best part was Tien's powered up Kikoho/Tri-beam. I wonder why Funimation didn't include Tien saying the attack.

9/10

[Daikun]

Ugh. I didn't like Piccolo's line after he blasted the last Saibaman. He said something about "you gotta have heart and courage" (paraphrase)? That doesn't sound like the Tough Guy Piccolo we know at the beginning of this series.

[Kazuya Prower]

Nice change by FUNI.

Saban Nappa: "Oh wait, don't tell me. I know what you need, a big nice trip to another dimension! One way of course!"

FUNI Nappa: "Oh wait, don't tell me. I know what you need, a nice big trip to the afterlife! One way of course!"

[AlphaPrime]

Gohan, fire the freakin blast! Coward.:sad:
Yeah but really, its good for his character, this battle remained with him for years, his uselessness from battles like this is what helped him to become a SS and SS2.

[CyberCubed]

Nice change by FUNI.

Saban Nappa: "Oh wait, don't tell me. I know what you need, a big nice trip to another dimension! One way of course!"

FUNI Nappa: "Oh wait, don't tell me. I know what you need, a nice big trip to the afterlife! One way of course!"

Haha, I noticed that too. I actually thought that they were going to leave in a "next dimension" line by accident! :sweat:

[G1Ravage]

Nice change by FUNI.

Saban Nappa: "Oh wait, don't tell me. I know what you need, a big nice trip to another dimension! One way of course!"

FUNI Nappa: "Oh wait, don't tell me. I know what you need, a nice big trip to the afterlife! One way of course!"
This pretty much sums up the redub's script. Take all of the Saban-era lines, alter them slightly if they don't match the lip flaps anymore, alter them if they were originally pretty stupid and wronged the plot (but only fix them to an extent), and alter the lines so they now include words like "die" and "kill".

Other than these line alterations, the script remains the same.

[Beat]

And yet, I still bet this show is one of the highest rated things Cartoon Network has on right now.

So more people die. Tien dies, Chaozu dies, and Gohan wusses out in the fight, leaving Piccolo and Krillen showing just how weak non-Sayain characters are.

[Kamaria]

Do you reckon that if Gohan hadn't wimped out and fired his Masenko shot, Nappa would have succumbed to the whole combo attack plan?

[creeper]

Do you reckon that if Gohan hadn't wimped out and fired his Masenko shot, Nappa would have succumbed to the whole combo attack plan?
They would have done damage to Nappa, but that's it. Unless Gohan actually used his hidden power it would have been near useless. As it stands piccolo and krillen are reaching as it is. I don't think they could have come up with a follow up plan anyways.

[G1Ravage]

Tonight's episode:

English - "Nappa's Rampage"

Japanese - "An Intense 3-Hour Delay! The Kinto Un Bullet-Express"

[livingfruitvirus]

By the time I've posted what I feel like posting, there will be a post about it already. Right?

edit- Or not.

Anyway, how come they kept skirting around it in the HELL episode, but now Korin gets to say "Give em hell, Goku." Change of heart, FUNimation?

[G1Ravage]

WHOA....Korin! :eek:

[NickWhiz1]

Took them long enough to realize they could get away with that.

[CyberCubed]

Whoa, I never knew Korin had such a mouth! :o

Makes you wonder why they didn't say it back when Goku fell off Snake way.

[G1Ravage]

This just raises even MORE questions!

[CyberCubed]

On another note, I'm glad they kept Piccolo's line, "Facing your fears would have been far less painful."

If anyone noticed, Super Buu says the exact same line to Mystic Gohan after he absorbed Piccolo and Gotenks.

Glad FUNI remembered and kept it.

Also of note, Nappa said, "They're just pansies in their little toys." when he went to blow up the Navy.

[livingfruitvirus]

Whoa, I never knew Korin had such a mouth! :oYeah. That's quite a "mouth." :shrug: Came up with something I've been hearing since 2nd grade.


And yet, I still bet this show is one of the highest rated things Cartoon Network has on right now.If I said One Piece was doing better and has a good chance of being stripped soon, would you believe me?

[Kazuya Prower]

Japanese Gohan: "Your mom's stomach sticks out!!"

Saban Gohan: "I said you smell like toenails!!"

FUNI Gohan: "I said you stink!!"

Saban's version was funnier.

[ChaosZero92]

WHOA....Korin! :eek:I don't get it. What did he say?

[Demonic Raven]

Man oh man, Funi needs to make up their minds. This was a clean dub the whole way through despite what the original script says and just now they decide to insert a "hell"? Wouldn't the word have been useful back when Goku was IN HELL?!

Well, anyway...there's not much else. Goku gets off Snake way and finally back on Earth, other filler stuff I don't care for involving Nappa, and Piccolo has a plan.

7/10

[Ishtar]

They took out Nappa's line "The News stinks anway! I never did watch it, well just a few times, and it stunk." I thought that line would be kept in. I hope this means that Recoome's "I like to watch Soap Operas" line get's cut aswell!

[Spike Mcdougal]

First time the millitary gets involved and falls.............

Big time!!!

Korin's "Give em hell Goku." was pretty cool, that's all I'll say

[CyberCubed]

I hate the fact that TOEI used repetitive stock animation when Nappa blew up the other city.

Anyone noticed they reused the scene of the same building exploding, the same guy and daughter getting frightened, and the same Ice cream truck blown in the air?

Damn TOEI for being cheap and reusing animation when Nappa blew up another city.

[Ishtar]

Korin's "Give them Hell" line reminds me of Dende's "Don't piss off the God Of Love!" line.

[KuwabaraTheMan]

Yeah, that was a bit of a surprise. Decent episode overall, but lacking in fighting.

[G1Ravage]

This is why FUNimation continues to baffle me so much. It's not like swearing is necessary in a script, but it certainly helps to add some spice in emotionally charged scenes. But Dragon Ball Z, historically, has had a dub devoid of swearing, except in a few bizarre cases, sprinkled about over 291 episodes, and one of the movies.

But here we have the SUPA-DUPA uncut dub of the Saiyan saga. And sadly, we were given a dub that is comprised mostly of reused lines from the original Saban-era dub. No swearing, but so what? It's nice, but you don't always need it. But many people were shocked when FUNi refused to even vocally acknowledge that Goku fell into Hell in that filler ep, which made a lot of people sratch their heads in confusion. The "underworld", the "land below the clouds", the "land of no return"...they did nothing but jump around the subject.

Then all of a sudden, Karin, one of the most useless characters in Dragon Ball Z...a character that shows up perhaps ONE MORE TIME in the next 70 episodes or so, suddenly belts out: "Give 'em hell, Goku!"

You. Make. No. Sense. FUNi.

[G1Ravage]

I hate the fact that TOEI used repetitive stock animation when Nappa blew up the other city.

Anyone noticed they reused the scene of the same building exploding, the same guy and daughter getting frightened, and the same Ice cream truck blown in the air?

Damn TOEI for being cheap and reusing animation when Nappa blew up another city.
LMAO! I noticed it too! How awful.

[G1Ravage]

And speaking of FUNi's SUPA-DUPA uncut dubs, this brings to mind their recent redub of the movie Dead Zone. The original Pioneer dub had the word hell in it, because that's what the script called for in a few locations.

But FUNi's UNCUT redub...the one they advertised as being MORE uncut than the original release...had all instances of the word hell removed.

[livingfruitvirus]

But FUNi's UNCUT redub...the one they advertised as being MORE uncut than the original release...had all instances of the word hell removed.They actually advertised it as more uncut? Didn't they change the music? And change the OP/ED?

[Yash]

FUNi writer: "Hmm, instead of saying 'Hell' when Goku falls into Hell, let's have some random extra say 'Hell' in the series."

[ChaosZero92]

Originally Posted by G1Ravage
"Give 'em hell, Goku!"
Dang, I didn't hear him say the line! I was too busy reading Chris' comparison. :sad:

[Space Cadet]

If I said One Piece was doing better and has a good chance of being stripped soon, would you believe me?
Unless Spongebob 2.0, Rover_Wow, Roger Smith, and Waggytoon took over your body, sure why not?

[William C. Maune]

How often is "hell" actually said in the Japanese version anyway? I still don't get the big deal about them not vocally saying "hell" when Goku is in hell. It's plastered all over the ogres' shirts. Do we really need to hear them say just so we know they really are in hell? Frankly, sometimes it is good to hear some variety instead of the same word over and over again. Whether they vocally said it or not, there was no doubt that they were in "Hell" as opposed to "HFIL," and that's what is most important.

[Dark Fact]

Saban's version was funnier.
The Japanese version was funnier... :sweat:


They took out Nappa's line "The News stinks anway! I never did watch it, well just a few times, and it stunk." I thought that line would be kept in. I hope this means that Recoome's "I like to watch Soap Operas" line get's cut aswell!
I know those lines were inconsistent but they were pretty funny nontheless. Can you imagine Recoome sitting on a couch watching Days of Our Lives or Nappa watching CNN with a big bowl of popcorn and a remote? :D

[Youko Recca]

Who cares about Korin saying it? Nice to see they're able to talk like people naturally would if two badass aliens came and started owning the planet, but in any case it's not that big a deal.

[ChaosZero92]

Who cares about Korin saying it? Nice to see they're able to talk like people naturally would if two badass aliens came and started owning the planet, but in any case it's not that big a deal.But this is Cartoon Network we're talking about here! I haven't heard the word "hell" used (excluding movies) on CN since Zoids: Chaotic Century.

[Youko Recca]

Okay, well "hell" isn't all that bad a word anyway. Just impolite. Unless the place itself is being described at Berserk-level graphicness. And that doesn't even matter in this case. When and if they do something like this with YYH, I'd hope people wouldn't go into convulsions everytime Yusuke opens his mouth.

And really, I would expect this on CN rather than Nick or Disney or something.

[CyberCubed]

But this is Cartoon Network we're talking about here! I haven't heard the word "hell" used (excluding movies) on CN since Zoids: Chaotic Century.

They said "hell" on Justice League: Unlimited I believe.

[ChaosZero92]

They said "hell" on Justice League: Unlimited I believe.I don't recall them using "hell" on JLU.

[Ultra Mike]

I don't recall them using "hell" on JLU.
That's because they didn't. JLU gets away with a lot but they're not going to get away with direct swearing like that. They do tease it a lot though (it actually got annoying when they kept interrupitng the curses in the early Season one episodes like "Hawk And Dove", "Initation", and "The Return". I mean it's cute once but not the second and third time around. Espically since they already did the joke in "Twilight").

There have been uses of saying hell on general CN though. Cyborg 009's original dub said hell a few times (as well as damn a few times I believe) before the S&P forced them to re-edit the series. The Duel Masters movie had Shobu utter 'oh hell yeah" at one point that was later muted one future airings.

And like William said, I don't get what the big deal is. I mean, how is the Dragonball Z version of hell even Hell anyway? "Oh look for sinning all of your life you become a soul bowl and get to go on a carnival and fairgrounds all of your life". One of the few things GT did right was actually make the Dragonball version of hell look something like hell.

I remember this being one of the first episodes of Z I saw. Nice to see it uncut, although "Nappa's Rampage" was really in all essence filler. Nappa is the second villian (after King Piccolo though) in the DB world to go on city wide rampages like that. Thinking about it, like only half of the villians do that actually.

[Kazuya Prower]

Majin Buu broke the largest record of going on a rampage.

[Duke]

Is anyone else disappointed that they got rid of Vegeta's "Nappa, remind me to have you de-wormed" line? I loved that one.

[Master Moron]

How often is "hell" actually said in the Japanese version anyway? I still don't get the big deal about them not vocally saying "hell" when Goku is in hell. It's plastered all over the ogres' shirts. Do we really need to hear them say just so we know they really are in hell? Frankly, sometimes it is good to hear some variety instead of the same word over and over again. Whether they vocally said it or not, there was no doubt that they were in "Hell" as opposed to "HFIL," and that's what is most important.

Well, I'm sure if they sold white t-shirts at Hot Topic that said HELL on them people would buy them even if they weren't in hell, so I'm not sure just because someone has hell written on their shirt that that necessarily leads the viewer to believe they're in hell.

Anyway, three questions:

1.How the hell can Tenshinhan do a Kikoho with one arm? I mean, try to form a triangle with one hand, go ahead, try it. You can't.

2.If Nappa went super saiyan would his mustache turn yellow and spiky?

3.What's the name of the multi-form technique in the Japanese version?

Oh, and didn't Vegeta previously tell Nappa not to blow up cities because a dragonball could be in one? He just doesn't know how to follow orders, and his insubordinance will catch up to him.

[G1Ravage]

I think some people are misunderstanding our shock here. The shock isn't in that a character said "hell" on Cartoon Network, because that can easily be done with the TV-PG rating, and has been done in the past. The shock here is that FUNimation decided to use it in Dragon Ball Z out of literally nowhere, when they've shown in the past (and the present, as the episode in Hell demonstrated) that they want to avoid swearing completely in DBZ.

[Vekou]

Is anyone else disappointed that they got rid of Vegeta's "Nappa, remind me to have you de-wormed" line? I loved that one. Yes. I've been looking forward to hearing Sabat say that.

I was also looking forward to Strait saying "Goku! Why aren't you heeeeeere?", which he did, but it was pretty disappointing.

[Kazuya Prower]

To answer your 3rd question Master Moron, I don't think it had a name.

[G1Ravage]

I was also looking forward to Strait saying "Goku! Why aren't you heeeeeere?", which he did, but it was pretty disappointing.
Yeah, Klassen did it better.

[Ultra Mike]

1.How the hell can Tenshinhan do a Kikoho with one arm? I mean, try to form a triangle with one hand, go ahead, try it. You can't.
You're right about the Triangle. Better add that to the list of things I can't do.

1. Make a rock formation crumble with just one punch.
2. Shoot energy beams that destroy cities.
3. Fly around at hi speeds resting on my ki.

When it comes to "how can someone do that in real life" and 'Dragonball Z" you should know the two don't really mix.


3.What's the name of the multi-form technique in the Japanese version?
That would be "Shi Shin no Ken" to let you know.

[Dark Fact]

Okay, now people here are taking the use of that word WAY too seriously now. Lighten up already! :sweat:

[Beat]

OMG SWEARING!

At least most of the random lines of stupidity were gone this time.

As for swearing in other versions, I remember Piccolo saying "hell" a lot in Spanish.

[Master Moron]

Yes. I've been looking forward to hearing Sabat say that.

I was also looking forward to Strait saying "Goku! Why aren't you heeeeeere?", which he did, but it was pretty disappointing.

I don't really understand why Krillen thinks Goku would make that huge of a difference at this point. I mean, Krillen doesn't know what type of training Goku went through. He has no idea that Goku has become as powerful as Vegeta, so why does he think Goku arriving will make a huge difference?

[Ultra Mike]

I don't really understand why Krillen thinks Goku would make that huge of a difference at this point. I mean, Krillen doesn't know what type of training Goku went through. He has no idea that Goku has become as powerful as Vegeta, so why does he think Goku arriving will make a huge difference?
Well all the time's Krillin spent watching Goku in Dragonball he knows that everytime Goku goes off to train somewhere he becomes an incredible amount stronger then he was before. Whether it was against Baba's Ghost Fighters, in the 22nd or 23rd tournaments, or King Piccolo, Krillin has seen (or heard) Goku becoming so much stronger after his training that he is able to take the bad guy that they were not able to take. By now he knows the "formula" and knows that Goku will come back much stronger then he was before and beat the bad guys. Or at least that's what I believe IMHO.

[CyberCubed]

Or perhaps Krillin is just desperate. As it stands none of them can even beat Nappa, let alone Vegeta.

Call it wishful thinking on Krillin's part, especially since Goku has always been able to defeat their enemies in the long run. (King Piccolo, Piccolo).

If Krillin doesn't believe in Goku, then there's no hope. The planet would be destroyed/sold/blown up, and that would be the end of it.

[G1Ravage]

That would be "Shi Shin no Ken" to let you know.
Except that in this case, it would be "San Shin no Ken", since there were three Kuririns and Piccolos, and not four, as was the case with Tenshinhan's version in Dragon Ball.

[G1Ravage]

Tonight's episode:

English - "Nimbus Speed"

Japanese - "Leave it to Me! Gohan's Great Burst of Anger"

[Ishtar]

They took out Nappa's "Fee Fi Foe Fum, I smell the blood of a Namek man" line and when Nappa says "We're gonna have a little Namek on the barbeque tonite, Vegeta!" with Vegeta saying "That sounds great, I'll bring my special sauce" lines.

[Space Cadet]

They took out Bulma saying "Tienshinhan."

[Umino]

awwww... They took out Bulma saying 'Tienshinhan'..

Oh, reference to Lunch. Was that in the original?

[Space Cadet]

awwww... They took out Bulma saying 'Tienshinhan'..

Oh, reference to Lunch. Was that in the original?The original Saban/FUNimation dub? No they didn't say her name. Aww, I kinda wish they did like the Westwood dub and call Krillin's attack, Kienzan. Though, I know they wern't going to change it.

Edit: Hurry up Goku, your friends need you!

....

Sorry, got a little caught up.:sweat:

[ChaosZero92]

Ugh... Phil Parson's Nappa is absolute crap... And if I here "power levels" one more time...

[Wounded_Dragon]

All those DBZ constipated jokes...they're well earned. :sweat:

[Umino]

The original Saban/FUNimation dub? No they didn't say her name.
When I said 'original' I meant the Japanese version.

[Space Cadet]

When I said 'original' I meant the Japanese version.
Oh, I see.



PICCOLO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:eek:

[Kazuya Prower]

There wasn't any Lunch reference in the japanese version. Poor Piccolo. Poor, poor Piccolo.

[Ishtar]

What a mean time for a cliff hanger!

[CyberCubed]

I liked the fact that in the Saban dub the whole Piccolo death sequence was shown in one episode, rather than it being split into two like the Japanese version was.

Nappa was really annoying in this episode, far more than the previous ones. Thank god he won't be around much longer.

I still find it baffling that it takes Goku so damn long to get there when Nimbus travels...how fast again?

Krillin almost had Nappa there, it would have been awesome to see Krillin avenge his friends and kill Nappa instead of what happens later on. Darn Vegeta.

[RockmanDash]

Ugh... Phil Parson's Nappa is absolute crap... And if I here "power levels" one more time... OMG HIS POWER LEVEL IS 5000!!!!!!O_O!!!EVERY RUN AHH!!!



lol anyway..in not uncut version(thats what I call it)


*Not really spoilers but..*






Piccolo dies in this epsode and goku comes at the end..or was that next epsode ok im confused X_X!

End of not really spoilers

Anyway

Also why was this epsode called Nimbus Speed this has nothing to do whith Nimbus besides..*some guy comes and whispers why*oh...thats why...o_O

[Demonic Raven]

PIIIICOOOLLLLLLOOOOOOOOO!!!!!! :crying:

...That aside...

Good episode. Finally everyone senses Goku coming, and he's damn powerful this time. Gohan finally attacks, but it was just a single kick...no big deal. Of course, we also see our first Destructo Disk/Kienzan, which is awesome.

Poor Piccolo....

9/10

[CyberCubed]

There wasn't any Lunch reference in the japanese version. Poor Piccolo. Poor, poor Piccolo.

Good continuity on FUNi's part then, Chi Chi IS shown upstairs getting the guns, it makes sense that they're Launch's rather than her getting them out of nowhere.

[Duke]

-I forgot to say this earlier, but when Piccolo & Krillin did the Multi-Form, I missed Vegeta's "Wow. Cool." line. In the new dub, it's been changed to "Amateurs."
-I feel sorry for Nappa's VA. He has to get a sore throat after every "Nappa Session."
-They got rid of Piccolo's "David and Goliath" line. Yay!

[G1Ravage]

Good continuity on FUNi's part then, Chi Chi IS shown upstairs getting the guns, it makes sense that they're Launch's rather than her getting them out of nowhere.
Yeah, it would absolutely make sense that the guns belonged to Lunch.

But hey, waitaminute...in the Saban episode, I remember Baba arriving just as Chichi bursts from her father's grip, and pretty much shoots the front door off and hits Baba as well. I guess that'll happen tomorrow.

I was also annoyed by FUNi removing the "Tien Shinhan" line by Bulma. Sure, his name isn't REALLY Tien Shinhan, but it would be a nice continuity thing from Dragon Ball (since he was called Tien Shinhan there), and would also make sense, because FUNi likes to copy most of the Saban-era lines. In fact, I'm surprised FUNi hasn't called him Tien Shinhan at all in this redub. Very odd, and it makes for some odd lines where you can clearly see the characters' lip-flaps mouthing "Tenshinhan" all the time.

I was impressed by the dub of this episode. The music worked well, and the acting was damn good...especially by Chris Sabat and Stephanie Nadolny. Piccolo's final line in that flashback was especially well done, although I'm not sure if the translaton of that line was entirely accurate. I'll have to check.

I still don't like Phil Parsons as Nappa, but he's okay in the lines where Nappa's really upset. I loved him at the end of the episode, when he gets knocked into the mountain by Gohan, and then he emerges, totally pissed off, and squirting blood out of his head as he screams, "I'LL KILL YOUUUUU!!!!"

The wait for a new episode until Monday night will be agonizing. :sad:

[G1Ravage]

-I forgot to say this earlier, but when Piccolo & Krillin did the Multi-Form, I missed Vegeta's "Wow. Cool." line. In the new dub, it's been changed to "Amateurs."
-I feel sorry for Nappa's VA. He has to get a sore throat after every "Nappa Session."
-They got rid of Piccolo's "David and Goliath" line. Yay!
Well that's good. Most of the lines tonight did seem improved over past episodes.

[G1Ravage]

After checking Project Shinonome at the DBZOA, it turns out there was NO dialogue at all during Piccolo's flashback.

So all that sappy dialogue dub Piccolo said in the flashback was BULLCRAP.

[Master Moron]

How the hell can Nappa look at his cheek? Seriously, try to look at your cheek. You can't do it.


There wasn't any Lunch reference in the japanese version. Poor Piccolo. Poor, poor Piccolo.

Are you talking about the scene where Chi Chi got Launch's guns? Yes, they did say that they were in Launch's guns in the original. Don't give credit to Funimation for creating continuity when it was in the original.


I still find it baffling that it takes Goku so damn long to get there when Nimbus travels...how fast again?


Well, it's daylight throughout the whole fight with Nappa, so the fight with Nappa couldn't have taken more than 12 hours. I don't know how fast Nimbus is supposed to travel, do they ever say in the series?

[Warrior Kitana]

Piccolo!!!!NNNNOOOOOO!!!!!:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

Nappa's getting kinda annoying. Krillen's almost had Nappa there. It's good that everyone senses Goku coming.

[Ultra Mike]

Gohan finally attacks, but it was just a single kick...no big deal.Well maybe, but the fact that it actually knocked Nappa into a rock formation and left an imprint means it did far more damage to him then Tien and Chatzou's sacrifice blasts combined, so that is saying something at least.


After checking Project Shinonome at the DBZOA, it turns out there was NO dialogue at all during Piccolo's flashback.

So all that sappy dialogue dub Piccolo said in the flashback was BULLCRAP.Well the dialogue was in the Saban version so Funi obviously kept it. And not Tienshinhan. Talk about scewed line usage.


How the hell can Nappa look at his cheek? Seriously, try to look at your cheek. You can't do it.I would say again "Just add it to the list of things Dragonball Z characters can do that we can't" but also if you get cut on the cheek you do feel it. And you can usually feel how long it is.

[Duke]

Well maybe, but the fact that it actually knocked Nappa into a rock formation and left an imprint means it did far more damage to him then Tien and Chatzou's sacrifice blasts combined, so that is saying something at least.Nappa defended those blasts though (er, Tien's anyway), he didn't defend himself when Gohan kicked him.

[CyberCubed]

Or when Krillin kicked him for that matter.

When the bad guys are "unaware" they're able to be hurt or knocked aside by characters who are far weaker than them.

Just take a look at Kid Trunks who kicked Fat Buu off Vegeta when he was about to kill him. Trunks kicked Buu and he went flying, because he wasn't aware of him coming. But of course, Buu is a gazillion times stronger than Trunks, yet he was still knocked aside by a single kick.

[Duke]

It also happens next saga, when Gohan kicks Dodoria before he can kill Dende and sends him flying into a building, and Dodoria is literally 20x stronger than Gohan is.

[Ultra Mike]

Yeah but those "sneak up from behind/ from the side" kicks. Gohan kicked Nappa head on. Yeah sure he wasn't expecting him to do that, but he actually saw the kick coming and Gohan even announced he was going to fight Nappa. Not his fault Nappa was stupid enough not to even try and block. Although he does learn his lesson about trying to block later...

With Gohan's Masenko attack. Although that reminds me: A similar kick happened later in the Vegeata fight right after Vegeta turned back from Oozaru and had P.Oed Gohan by kneeing Goku in the stomach. You think Vegeata would of know better, but oh well. I still always liked that moment.

[Ninja Murasaki]

Nappa has something in comon with General Blue. They both don't like their beutiful faces being scratched.

[sdp]

my fav. quote of all the DB/Z/GT saga is:

"I get fat from just looking at pastries, aaahhh!!!" and he runs away.

[Master Moron]

Nappa defended those blasts though (er, Tien's anyway), he didn't defend himself when Gohan kicked him.

And he was wearing armor. That would have helped to absorb some of the blast.

You know, it's kind of funny how we see Nappa as being an idiot for trying to catch Krillen's kienzan, yet later in the Garlic Junior saga Toei's writers actually have one of the bad guys catch a kienzan. Doesn't that kind of make Toei's writer's even dumber than Nappa?

[Beat]

And he was wearing armor. That would have helped to absorb some of the blast.

You know, it's kind of funny how we see Nappa as being an idiot for trying to catch Krillen's kienzan, yet later in the Garlic Junior saga Toei's writers actually have one of the bad guys catch a kienzan. Doesn't that kind of make Toei's writer's even dumber than Nappa?
That's the magic of filler.

[CyberCubed]

It was probably done for shock value alone.

How strong WERE Garlic Jr.'s henchmen anyway? I can't imagine them being any stronger than the Ginyu Force.

[Beat]

Krillen was able to hurt them. That alone tells you their power.

Anyway, more antics from Nappa and the other people, but Gohan's got a decent kick at least.

[G1Ravage]

Hey, I just realized: We just saw episode 27 on Thursday. If this had been the Saban dub, the fight with Vegeta would've been over by now. (The Saban first season was wittled down to 26 episodes.)

[CyberCubed]

Ah, and we would have been up to those horrible fake Namek episodes.

Worst filler ever.

[HumanoidTyphoon]

Anyone else think Gohan should defeat Nappa before Goku gets there?


At the very least I think the three of them should have been able to.

[Ultra Mike]

Anyone else think Gohan should defeat Nappa before Goku gets there?


At the very least I think the three of them should have been able to.
In a way, I do think that Nappa should of been beaten by a pissed off Gohan, combined with a sneaky attack from Krillin and Piccolo. I'm sure they could of done it in a way that makes sense (like Gohan charges a full blast Maskenko that would knock Nappa back and Piccolo could shoot a special beam cannon blast through Nappa's Skull while Krillin provided cover fire to draw attention away from him or something), but sadly that would diminish Goku's importance. Being the supereme hero of the story Goku's gotta be the one to defeat the main bad guys. And although they could of easily done a scene of Vegeta just easily knocking away the others like they were nothing to showcase his power, Goku just had to be shown kicking ass to showcase his new skills. It's sad but true.

[Master Moron]

Ah, and we would have been up to those horrible fake Namek episodes.

Worst filler ever.

Nah, the Garlic Junior saga is worse. See, the first time you watch the fake Namek saga you don't know that it's a fake Namek. I mean, the first time I watched it I'd figure Freeza and Vegeta were going to arrive on the planet before they got all the dragonballs, little did I know that Freeza was already on the real Namek...

With the garlic Junior saga, even if you didn't know it was filler, you knew it would suck as soon as you saw Garlic Junior, the worst Dragonball villain ever created. Of course, you do have hope in the Garlic Junior saga that Vegeta will come back to earth and beat the crap out of Garlic Junior, but the fact that he doesn't is probably the biggest dissappointment in the whole series.


Anyone else think Gohan should defeat Nappa before Goku gets there?


At the very least I think the three of them should have been able to.

I think that if Yamcha didn't get blown up with a Saibaman and Gohan and Yajirobe didn't act like cowards at first, then they could have won. I mean, if Yamcha, Chao Zu, Tenshinhan, Gohan, Krillen, Picollo, and Yajirobe all teamed up and formed a good plan I think they could have beaten Nappa. Unfortunately, since Yamcha got blown up by a saibaman, Yajirobe didn't join the fight, and Gohan was too scared to fight, it was really only Krillen, Piccolo, and Tenshinhan fighting against Nappa. Chao Zu was busy blowing himself up cause he's an idiot. He would have been more useful just trying to distract Nappa while the others clobbered him.

By the time Gohan actually joins the fight, his teammates are all either dead or incapacitated so there's nothing he can do. He's certainly not strong enough to take out Nappa by himself.

[Dark Fact]

Did Vegeta use that ultra sappy "good gosh" line like he did in the Saban dub when he sensed Goku's power?


In a way, I do think that Nappa should of been beaten by a pissed off Gohan, combined with a sneaky attack from Krillin and Piccolo. I'm sure they could of done it in a way that makes sense (like Gohan charges a full blast Maskenko that would knock Nappa back and Piccolo could shoot a special beam cannon blast through Nappa's Skull while Krillin provided cover fire to draw attention away from him or something), but sadly that would diminish Goku's importance. Being the supereme hero of the story Goku's gotta be the one to defeat the main bad guys. And although they could of easily done a scene of Vegeta just easily knocking away the others like they were nothing to showcase his power, Goku just had to be shown kicking ass to showcase his new skills. It's sad but true.
Aren't Saiyans faster than the speed of light? :)


With the garlic Junior saga, even if you didn't know it was filler, you knew it would suck as soon as you saw Garlic Junior, the worst Dragonball villain ever created. Of course, you do have hope in the Garlic Junior saga that Vegeta will come back to earth and beat the crap out of Garlic Junior, but the fact that he doesn't is probably the biggest dissappointment in the whole series.
Vegeta could stomp a thousand mudholes in Garlic Jr's ass and it wouldn't make a difference. Garlic Jr. is immortal...unfortunately.

Too bad they had to remove Nappa's fee-fi-fo-fum line. It was met with the best line I ever heard in the Saban dub by Piccolo: "You're the one that smells! A trait all you Saiyans share!" :D

[Youko Recca]

I personally think Tien, with his last breath, should have killed Nappa. But I understand it was kinda more tragic the way he went.

[sdp]

to me the garlic jr saga really felt like a OVA, at first i though they had just put an OVA on the main series, also that it is based on a previous OVA makes conflict as the grlic jr OVA conficts with the show.

[Ultra Mike]

Originally Posted By Dark Fact
Aren't Saiyans faster than the speed of light? :)
Well first off since Piccolo is stronger then Raditz was, he would be too. Besides, I'm counting in the fact that Gohan and Krillin are distracting his attention so he wouldn't have time to dodge. I mean if Piccolo was able to sneak behind Nappa twice for an attack/to hold his tail, I'm sure that he could of done so again with a charged special beam cannon if Krillin and Gohan had provided enough cover fire so Nappa couldn't block/sense it.


I personally think Tien, with his last breath, should have killed Nappa. But I understand it was kinda more tragic the way he went.
I think he should of at least damaged Nappa some. Like at least made him have a "flesh wound" or something.

[Master Moron]

Vegeta could stomp a thousand mudholes in Garlic Jr's ass and it wouldn't make a difference. Garlic Jr. is immortal...unfortunately.


So what? Vegeta could tear off all of Garlic Junior's limbs and shove them down his throat. Garlic Junior would still be alive since he's immortal, but I'd bet he'd be in a lot of pain and he would be defeated. Unless Toei's writers did something stupid and gave Garlic Junior the ability to grow back limbs. In which case Vegeta would tear off his limbs again. I don't care if you're immortal or not, having all your limbs torn off 20 times would be pretty damn painful.

Or if all else fails, Vegeta could just shoot Garlic Junior off into space, after he tears off all his limbs that is. Seriously, being immortal isn't that great when you're a weakling like Garlic Junior. I mean, what would you do if an immortal ant wanted to kill you? You'd step on it, you'd step on it again, and you'd tear off it's limbs till you got bored. Either way, the ant(Garlic Junior) isn't that much of a threat even if he's immortal.

Vegeta would put Garlic Junior in so much pain that he'd wish he could die.

[Dark Fact]

So what? Vegeta could tear off all of Garlic Junior's limbs and shove them down his throat. Garlic Junior would still be alive since he's immortal, but I'd bet he'd be in a lot of pain and he would be defeated. Unless Toei's writers did something stupid and gave Garlic Junior the ability to grow back limbs. In which case Vegeta would tear off his limbs again. I don't care if you're immortal or not, having all your limbs torn off 20 times would be pretty damn painful.

Or if all else fails, Vegeta could just shoot Garlic Junior off into space, after he tears off all his limbs that is. Seriously, being immortal isn't that great when you're a weakling like Garlic Junior. I mean, what would you do if an immortal ant wanted to kill you? You'd step on it, you'd step on it again, and you'd tear off it's limbs till you got bored. Either way, the ant(Garlic Junior) isn't that much of a threat even if he's immortal.

Vegeta would put Garlic Junior in so much pain that he'd wish he could die.
It would look pretty funny to see that but even if that happened, Vegeta would have to do something very creative to make sure Garlic Jr. would never bother anyone again. If he just kept decapitating Garlic, Garlic would swear revenge and keep coming after Vegeta, but if Vegeta were to throw Garlic back into the Dead Zone, or trap him in outer space somewhere, then the problem would be solved.

Besides, doesn't Vegeta need to kill his opponents in order for him to feel completely satisfied of his victory? If all he can do is torture Garlic, he would feel amused at first, but amusement would lead to frustration as he realizes that he just can't put the monster in his place. I know I would be frustrated if I have to deal with an immortal ant trying to kill me if my personal beliefs revolved around killling things that oppose me in order to feel victorious.


Well first off since Piccolo is stronger then Raditz was, he would be too. Besides, I'm counting in the fact that Gohan and Krillin are distracting his attention so he wouldn't have time to dodge. I mean if Piccolo was able to sneak behind Nappa twice for an attack/to hold his tail, I'm sure that he could of done so again with a charged special beam cannon if Krillin and Gohan had provided enough cover fire so Nappa couldn't block/sense it.
But would that really kill Nappa though? Or even completely disable him? If it can't do one or the other, Gohan, Krillin, and Piccolo would be screwed! Not to mention that Nappa has greater fighting power than Raditz.