"Superman: Brainiac Attacks" DTV Pre-Release Discussion (Possible Spoilers)

[kentclark]

I didn't see this posted anywhere. Heres a link to an Ain't It Cool News article that mentions a possibility of a new movie www.aint-it-cool-news.com/display.cgi?id=20739 (http://www.aint-it-cool-news.com/display.cgi?id=20739). Here's hoping it's acurate.

[Movie-Brat]

I hope the new Superman: TAS movie isn't like The Batman.

[Style]

1.) Well, it didn't get it's own thread, but it has been discussed in our own Comic-con thread.

2.) Even though it's using the STAS character designs, it's done by "The Batman" people, and has a "stand alone continuity." While I'm pertubed by it's continuity standing, reports on the Dracula movie do suggest that they can make one wicked DTV.

[All-Star 1.5]

They didn't say they were using the orginal S:TAS designs they said they were using an updated version of them so who knows what they'll look like.

[Harper]

This is great news! While it isn't stated directly that Timm & Co. are behind it, relating it to S: TAS and JLU is a pretty good indication that we're not getting "The Superman" here.

[warmachine04]

I hope that the animated film focuses on Superman regaining the people's trust after "Legacy". A pre-Justice League episode but still uses the current character design. :D

[Style]

I hope that the animated film focuses on Superman regaining the people's trust after "Legacy". A pre-Justice League episode but still uses the current character design. :D An interview said it wasn't a sequal to the last episode. It was described as a "12 labors of Hercules" type story, where Superman is "driven by his passions" to save someone "very important to him." If done properly, that sounds so very cool.:)

[SS Kakarot]

Wonder if Tim Daily will be the voice of Superman again, if the movie gets released that is.:sad:

[Doomsday]

Wonder if Tim Daily will be the voice of Superman again, if the movie gets released that is.:sad: Well I readed somewhere that most of the same cast crew is suppost to return for the DTV so you never know. I'm sure the movie will get release though, with an Superman moive coming out an all. I just hope its good enough to be in the DCAU, well that is if the DTV is suppost to be.

[karasu]

Wonder if Tim Daily will be the voice of Superman again, if the movie gets released that is.:sad:
Noooooo! I hope they go with someone with a more manly voice haha. Daly is a geek.

[TurtleTitan]

I just read that this is actually based on the Superman Returns movie rather than S:TAS, and is done by some of the crew doing The Batman. Is this true?

[Bobbywoodhogan]

This is really cool I can't wait. Wonder what the story will be this must be getting made to start the build-up to Superman returns.

[adoptedBatpuppy]

What is the story going to be about? :) Are you guys sure this is not a joke?

[dc_gothamite]

if this isn't a joke, then Great!

As much as I like Batman, I think it's about time Superman got his own original DTV, that's not just a compilation of episodes of the series.

It doesn't really matter what designs they use for Superman, IMO. "Mystery of the Batman" was released in the midst of "Justice League," yet they used the TNBA design for Batman. Who knows... :)

[dtemplar]

I have an idea for the villian, what about General Zod?

[Brainiac]

Nope, this is NOT a joke. They discussed it at the JLU/The Batman panel at Comic Con. From what I remember...

It's NOT in STAS continuity at all. It's done by some of the The Batman crew. Matsuda said he didn't do the designs, and it was revealed that it would be an updated version of Bruce Timm's early designs...which I remember were posted on the boards here, and they looked damned cool. Very Fleischer-y.

It's basically a tie-in with Superman Returns, and the story is (as stated above) after being gone for a long time Superman must perform somewhat of a "12 labors of Hercules" where he "must save someone very important to him."

It was kind of vague, and I was unsure if they said whether or not they were using the STAS voice cast. Honestly, I hope not. As much as I love them, they belong on STAS. If you're doing a different project, use different voice actors. It should distinguish itself from STAS if it's not in the Timmverse.

Regardless, I'm interested to find out more about the project.

-Brainiac

[SS Kakarot]

Can't wait for it!
Sounds great!:)

[Harley_Quinn]

I'll check it out, sound interesting

[Fone Bone]

Nope, this is NOT a joke. They discussed it at the JLU/The Batman panel at Comic Con. From what I remember...

It's NOT in STAS continuity at all. It's done by some of the The Batman crew. Matsuda said he didn't do the designs, and it was revealed that it would be an updated version of Bruce Timm's early designs...which I remember were posted on the boards here, and they looked damned cool. Very Fleischer-y.

It's basically a tie-in with Superman Returns, and the story is (as stated above) after being gone for a long time Superman must perform somewhat of a "12 labors of Hercules" where he "must save someone very important to him."

It was kind of vague, and I was unsure if they said whether or not they were using the STAS voice cast. Honestly, I hope not. As much as I love them, they belong on STAS. If you're doing a different project, use different voice actors. It should distinguish itself from STAS if it's not in the Timmverse.

Regardless, I'm interested to find out more about the project.

-BrainiacI REALLY hope they don't use the old voice cast. It would be wrong on so many levels to hear Dana Delaney and Clancy Brown in a movie that wasn't in continuity with JLU.

This doesn't actually appear to be a STAS DTV at all so the thread title and AICN article are misleading. I really hope this doesn't cause a Superman Embargo on JLU.:shrug:

[DerekPowers]

I hope they distance themselves as much as possible from STAS.

Why didnt they just get the Timm crew to do it? Anyway, as long as it is different enough from stas and doesnt cause a JLU superman embargo, i'm fine with it. peace.

[Yojimbo]

I REALLY hope they don't use the old voice cast. It would be wrong on so many levels to hear Dana Delaney and Clancy Brown in a movie that wasn't in continuity with JLU.

This doesn't actually appear to be a STAS DTV at all so the thread title and AICN article are misleading. I really hope this doesn't cause a Superman Embargo on JLU.:shrug:
With the Superman movie you can count on it unfortunately. It's not like it matters too much, the only ones that haven't appeared from STAS that are alive are Mxy, Kanto and Jax-Ur and Mala.

[Bizarro Batman]

Why would there be a Superman embargo when the new film comes out? Truth be told I really doubt that'll be the case, especially since Luthor has been a central villian on the show. And now that they're making the LoD, Superman villians are basically a must. The only reason there's a Batman embargo on JLU is because of The Batman. Do you really think there would have been a Batman embargo if The Batman didn't exist but only Batman Begins was out? When Batman & Robin was released, Batman: Sub-Zero came out at around the same time.

About the Superman DTV movie...I was under the impression that it is in the DCAU, but it just doesn't really have any bearing to any of the stuff from Superman: TAS or JLU. Since the writer said "But it's sort of a standalone movie, it's not meant to be a sequel to the last episode", that's where I got my impression of it from.

[BigFatHairyDeal]

Good evening,

I'm a bit surprised that some people don't want the voices from STAS to do work on this movie. Although it's not a sequel to the old series, that doesn't mean it will contradict or undo anything the old cartoon established. I mean, if you like the work done by the current guys, wouldn't you want them to stay for this movie? It's not as though every episode of STAS or every Superman episode of JLU was predicated by prior episodes, so even with a change in staff, it might look, sound, and feel the same.

Perhaps people are just nervous that The Batman staff will mess things up? Who knows, they might do it even better...

[Grimlock]

Why would there be a Superman embargo when the new film comes out? Truth be told I really doubt that'll be the case, especially since Luthor has been a central villian on the show. And now that they're making the LoD, Superman villians are basically a must. The only reason there's a Batman embargo on JLU is because of The Batman. Do you really think there would have been a Batman embargo if The Batman didn't exist but only Batman Begins was out? When Batman & Robin was released, Batman: Sub-Zero came out at around the same time.


Because rumors are that with the new Superman movie will come a new animated series, and it won't be done by Timm & Co.

[Bizarro Batman]

Because rumors are that with the new Superman movie will come a new animated series, and it won't be done by Timm & Co.Well, the talk about the embargo was concerning the new Superman film, but I see your point. But with that point I raise another!

Wouldn't that still be, at the earliest, a year from this fall? By that point I'd be mightily surprised to see new episodes of JLU still being made. Not that I want that by any means, but it seems like the series is nearing its end.

[Style]

Stop talking about the *&%$ Super-embargo!

There's no confirmation anywhere that one will come into existance. It's just fanboy speculation!

And in a worst case scenario, someone from WB may be reading this thread and thinking "Hmm, Superman embargo? Well, the Bat-embargo was such a big success..." And then you'll bring the embargo down upon us! And you'll have no one to blame but yourselves!

[Jor-El]

Stop talking about the *&%$ Super-embargo!

There's no confirmation anywhere that one will come into existance. It's just fanboy speculation!Thank you for saying so before I had to.

I just found this. Thought you all might feast upon such possibly-joyous news:

http://www.supermanhomepage.com/news.php?readmore=1020

[CyberCubed]

If this movie isn't in DCAU continuity, then my interest has dropped several levels. Esepcially if it's done by The Batman people, then my interest is in the negatives.

[bat313]

Thank you for saying so before I had to.

I just found this. Thought you all might feast upon such possibly-joyous news:

http://www.supermanhomepage.com/news.php?readmore=1020I wonder how reliable that is? If so, that would be awsome to have a new STAS DVD, different animation style or not!!!!

The only problem is Superman has been through so much with Braniac as it is, with "Twilight" and Cadmus, a new direct to video about the two would have to be pretty original. Here's hoping.....:D

[Fone Bone]

Thank you for saying so before I had to.

I just found this. Thought you all might feast upon such possibly-joyous news:

http://www.supermanhomepage.com/news.php?readmore=1020


I hope it's true. I could deal with a different animation style (even though I had misgivings about the aborted Batman: Asylum) but I like that the focus group said they had no problems with it as long as it tied itself to JLU (and was presumably in the same continuity). However unlike JLU this doesn't have Bruce Timm at the helm so I am definately skeptical after Mystery of the Batwoman about a major DCAU project done without his imput.

I also have to wonder about how wise it would be anyways to follow the movie's continuity six months before it was released so I hope this pans out.

Fone Bone, rushing off to down a box of Ex-Lax to remove the Kryptonian rod from his fanboy butt.

[BigFatHairyDeal]

We all realize that Bruce Timm didn't create Superman, and that there have been many great Superman stories by other writers, right? I don't see any reason for skepticism other than perhaps The Batman people are in charge.

Sorry if I'm coming across as flip, but just because this isn't going to be a Bruce Timm production doesn't mean we have a good barometer of how good or bad this movie will be.

[Fone Bone]

We all realize that Bruce Timm didn't create Superman, and that there have been many great Superman stories by other writers, right? I don't see any reason for skepticism other than perhaps The Batman people are in charge.

Sorry if I'm coming across as flip, but just because this isn't going to be a Bruce Timm production doesn't mean we have a good barometer of how good or bad this movie will be.Did you get the part in my post where I admitted I had a stick up my butt? :p I'm skeptical because of both The Batman AND Mystery of the Batwoman but I'll freely admit that I am in no position to judge it right now. Animated projects related to Superman NOT done by b.t. worry me as I'm afraid a new Superman toon could mean the end of JLU. I know I'm being paranoid. Just let me be. It's a small comfort.:ack:

Edit: After rereading both my and BigFatHairyDeal's posts I realize I didn't actually say I thought this would be a bad movie or give any opinions on the quality and that me saying I'm skeptical might have given that impression when that isn't what I meant at all. The SOLE reason I'm skeptical is because of how it could affect JLU and I have no opinions whatsoever on whether the movie will be great or suck. That isn't the thing that concerns me. I should have made myself clearer.

[BigFatHairyDeal]

Heh, Fone Bone, I didn't mean to pick on you. It was more a combination of other things I had read, such as "as long as it tied into Justice League Unlimited." As a long time Superman fan, whether it be the movies, comics, or cartoons, the only caveats I usually place on Superman stories are that they're well-written and they don't tamper too much with the really common and traditional elements of the character.

[Fone Bone]

Heh, Fone Bone, I didn't mean to pick on you. It was more a combination of other things I had read, such as "as long as it tied into Justice League Unlimited." As a long time Superman fan, whether it be the movies, comics, or cartoons, the only caveats I usually place on Superman stories are that they're well-written and they don't tamper too much with the really common and traditional elements of the character.It's cool. Like I said I was just giving my initial reaction which has nothing to do with how I think the quality of the film will be. (I don't know). Here's how I feel: if it wants to tie into JLU, good. If it wants to tie into the Superman movie, fine. If it wants to tie into both and neither at the same time, I have a problem with that as the continuity in the DCAU has been REALLY tight compared to most franchises and I'd really hate to see all of the hard work the writiers who've worked on the various projects have done come undone. In other words: I don't want a repeat of Gargoyles: The Goliath Chronicles.

[TimTwoFace]

Wow, why didn't I hear about this before now? This is definitely interesting news.

-Tim

[karasu]

Good evening,

I'm a bit surprised that some people don't want the voices from STAS to do work on this movie. Although it's not a sequel to the old series, that doesn't mean it will contradict or undo anything the old cartoon established. I mean, if you like the work done by the current guys, wouldn't you want them to stay for this movie? It's not as though every episode of STAS or every Superman episode of JLU was predicated by prior episodes, so even with a change in staff, it might look, sound, and feel the same.

Perhaps people are just nervous that The Batman staff will mess things up? Who knows, they might do it even better...
Well, Tim Daly was the worst part of STAS IMO. I would like it if any of the other voices show up.

[adoptedBatpuppy]

When is it going to be released? I heard that the villan is going to be Brainiac. :sweat:

[Link1130]

Matsuda said he didn't do the designs, and it was revealed that it would be an updated version of Bruce Timm's early designs...which I remember were posted on the boards here, and they looked damned cool. Very Fleischer-y.

Where was this?

[KRnut82]

I believe it was these designs that are the early Timm designs.

http://jl.toonzone.net/superman/002.jpg


And I think it was this thread, which also has comparison pics of the Fleisher era Superman, Timm Pre-STAS Superman and STAS Superman by El Zorro in it BTW.

http://forums.toonzone.net/showthread.php?t=135017


If I'm wrong about any of this, I'm sure someone will correct me. :)

[DerekPowers]

I would love a stas/jlu dtv. I too feel another Brainiac story might be overkill, but what the hell. I'm hoping that changes :) . And i'm also hoping Bruce Timm is involved, the more the better. I share concerns after MOTBW.

And i hope Superman is more like he was in STAS, not JLU, because JLU superman is really not so great, imo. peace.

[Silly McGooses]

I hope Dana Delaney, et al return, and either Daly or Newbern as Superman. The news on this movie so far has been very vague, so I'll just have to wait and see.

[Knight]

Im definetly interested in this especially if its in continuity with the Timmverse.

[Bobbywoodhogan]

I hope its set between S:TAS and the 1st season of JL.

[thanos28542]

If it's in the DCAU continuity & has the same animation as STAS/JLU, and has the original VA back, then I'm all over it like white on rice! If it's by the "The Batman' team, then I have zero interest in it & will maybe just rent it.

[Harley_Quinn]

If it's in the DCAU continuity & has the same animation as STAS/JLU, and has the original VA back, then I'm all over it like white on rice! If it's by the "The Batman' team, then I have zero interest in it & will maybe just rent it.
I agree if it's done by The Batman team, my intrest level will drop and it'll go from a must buy to a maybe I'll rent it when I'm terribly bored.

Now, if B.T. is part of the creative team and it's in the Timmverse, then I'll be all over it.

[A.J]

I agree if it's done by The Batman team, my intrest level will drop and it'll go from a must buy to a maybe I'll rent it when I'm terribly bored.

Now, if B.T. is part of the creative team and it's in the Timmverse, then I'll be all over it.
OH MY GOD ME TOO! :sweat:

[TheWonderTwits]

Wow, great news indeed! whoever does it, I'm definitely willing to give it a chance.

Is the "THE BATMAN" vs. Dracula DTV good? I tried watching 'The Batman' and like a few of it's takes on classic Bat characters-overall, I don't really care for the show. Just MHO.

I recall seeing the Timm Supes design tweak, very cool indeed.. can't wait!!!

[James Harvey]

I'm just going to help clarify a couple things about this DTV.

First off, the DTV is not called Superman Versus Brainiac. That name wasn't even being considered. The DTV currently has the working title of Superman: Strange Allies, but even that will likely change before Warner Home Video makes the official announcement.

As for the DTV itself, the movie will be a stand alone tale set in the "Timmverse," with designs slightly tweaked and updated.

As for the creative team of the DTV, there is nothing to worry about. The feature will be directed by Curt Geda, and written by Duane Capizzi. When Warner Home Video officially announces the movie, more information on the villians and plot will be revealed. It's set for early 2006, so we'll be hearing more concrete information in the next few months.

This is all tentative right now, and all I can reveal at this point. Some more solid info will be released in the near future. Stay tuned to The World's Finest (http://wf.toonzone.net) for more...

[Captain Clown]

As for the DTV itself, the movie will be a stand alone tale set in the "Timmverse," with designs slightly tweaked and updated.

That sounds like what everyone wanted.

Personally, I was hoping it would be in continuity with S:TAS but contradict JL outright. Foggy continuity is awesome! It's like getting two completely different sequels to the same movie, and if you don't like one you can just ignore it!

[Trevor Balena]

I'm just going to help clarify a couple things about this DTV.

First off, the DTV is not called Superman Versus Brainiac. That name wasn't even being considered. The DTV currently has the working title of Superman: Strange Allies, but even that will likely change before Warner Home Video makes the official announcement.

As for the DTV itself, the movie will be a stand alone tale set in the "Timmverse," with designs slightly tweaked and updated.

As for the creative team of the DTV, there is nothing to worry about. The feature will be directed by Curt Geda, and written by Duane Capizzi. When Warner Home Video officially announces the movie, more information on the villians and plot will be revealed. It's set for early 2006, so we'll be hearing more concrete information in the next few months.

This is all tentative right now, and all I can reveal at this point. Some more solid info will be released in the near future. Stay tuned to The World's Finest (http://wf.toonzone.net/) for more...
Great news, all in all. But who is Duane Capizzi, and what has he written to date?

And, Jim, since you seem to have revealed more significant things than this, is there any chance you could tell us how much of the old STAS voice cast is being used?

[Knight]

I'm just going to help clarify a couple things about this DTV.

First off, the DTV is not called Superman Versus Brainiac. That name wasn't even being considered. The DTV currently has the working title of Superman: Strange Allies, but even that will likely change before Warner Home Video makes the official announcement.

As for the DTV itself, the movie will be a stand alone tale set in the "Timmverse," with designs slightly tweaked and updated.


Well I will definitely be getting this now.

[The Penguin]

Great news, all in all. But who is Duane Capizzi, and what has he written to date?Interestingly enough, he's the Series Story Editor/writer and Supervising Producer on "The Batman." Capizzi has also written on the Ghostbuster cartoons and did the story for Return of Jafar.

[Trevor Balena]

Interestingly enough, he's the Series Story Editor/writer and Supervising Producer on "The Batman." Capizzi has also written on the Ghostbuster cartoons and did the story for Return of Jafar.
Hmm. Not terribly encouraging, from my point of view. Still, with Geda on board we're bound to get some boffo action sequences... assuming the project has a decent budget and goes to a decent animation studio.

And it'll be great to have another DCAU solo Superman story, at the very least. I just hope they get the original voice cast back; after all, if the designs are different, the voices are different, and the story is "stand-alone" (read: not strongly rooted in continuity), in what sense is it really a part of the Timmverse?

[Harley_Quinn]

Hmm. Not terribly encouraging, from my point of view. Still, with Geda on board we're bound to get some boffo action sequences... assuming the project has a decent budget and goes to a decent animation studio.

And it'll be great to have another DCAU solo Superman story, at the very least. I just hope they get the original voice cast back; after all, if the designs are different, the voices are different, and the story is "stand-alone" (read: not strongly rooted in continuity), in what sense is it really a part of the Timmverse?
I am personally happy to hear it will exist in the Timmverse. What I think they meant by saying "Stand alone", is that won't pull in all these threads from established continuity, it'll be like one of the adventures that Superman had at some point in time that don't ties deeply to other things. Like World's Finest vs. the Cadmus Finale.

At least that's the way I read it.

[Trevor Balena]

I am personally happy to hear it will exist in the Timmverse. What I think they meant by saying "Stand alone", is that won't pull in all these threads from established continuity, it'll be like one of the adventures that Superman had at some point in time that don't ties deeply to other things. Like World's Finest vs. the Cadmus Finale.

At least that's the way I read it.
I agree. That's the way I read it, too.

I'm just saying that if it's not continuity-heavy -- if it's as self-contained as some of the earliest Batman episodes, say -- and it has different designs and a different voice cast (though I hope this last part is false), then I don't really see how you could say it's part of the Timmverse. It'd be like trying to shoehorn an episode of The Batman into BTAS continuity; sure, you could probably fit it in somewhere in the timeline, but since the shows have almost nothing in common, what difference would it make?

[Harley_Quinn]

I agree. That's the way I read it, too.

I'm just saying that if it's not continuity-heavy -- if it's as self-contained as some of the earliest Batman episodes, say -- and it has different designs and a different voice cast (though I hope this last part is false), then I don't really see how you could say it's part of the Timmverse. It'd be like trying to shoehorn an episode of The Batman into BTAS continuity; sure, you could probably fit it in somewhere in the timeline, but since the shows have almost nothing in common, what difference would it make?
God I hope they use the regular cast of VAs with George Newburn as Supes.

Well maybe it'll be a Timmverse Elseworld type story, just throwing it out there

[Knight]

I am personally happy to hear it will exist in the Timmverse. What I think they meant by saying "Stand alone", is that won't pull in all these threads from established continuity, it'll be like one of the adventures that Superman had at some point in time that don't ties deeply to other things. Like World's Finest vs. the Cadmus Finale.

At least that's the way I read it.Thats how I took it as well.

As for as voice casting correct me if im wrong but didnt Kevin Conroy have to actually read for the part of Batman in Mystery of the Batwoman? I think the voice cast may have to actually try out for parts. It will be wild if Daly (who I doubt has any intrest in the role anymore) has to read against Newburn and others for the Superman part.

[Trevor Balena]

As for as voice casting correct me if im wrong but didnt Kevin Conroy have to actually read for the part of Batman in Mystery of the Batwoman?
.......What?!

What the hell was the thinking behind that?

[He Phoenix]

will supergirl be in this movie?

[Knight]

.......What?!

What the hell was the thinking behind that? I would have to watch my Batman MOTB dvd again but I remember the creators of the movie commenting on how when Kevin read for the Batman role in it that they loved it and went with him.

[Harley_Quinn]

I would have to watch my Batman MOTB dvd again but I remember the creators of the movie commenting on how when Kevin read for the Batman role in it that they loved it and went with him.
I think they may have been talking about the very begining, when BTAS series started not that particular project.

[Knight]

I think they may have been talking about the very begining, when BTAS series started not that particular project. Maybe it was Its been awhile since I watched the extras on that dvd.

[Harley_Quinn]

Maybe it was Its been awhile since I watched the extras on that dvd.
Me too but I would assume that's what they meant because it would seem a little redundant to have him test for the part when most of them already know what they are getting from Conroy in the bats role.

[Trevor Balena]

Maybe it was Its been awhile since I watched the extras on that dvd.
They were definately talking about back when they were first casting BTAS. There's no question. God knows Andrea Romano tells that exact same story every time she's interviewed.

[Azbatz]

However unlike JLU this doesn't have Bruce Timm at the helm so I am definately skeptical after Mystery of the Batwoman about a major DCAU project done without his imput.
I liked Mystery of the Batwoman, sure it was no Mask of The Phantasm but it was good 3-part episode in my point of view. As long as the old cast returns and the animation style is better than The Batman I'll buy it. Like to see the JLU Superman voice instead of the STAS.

[Silly McGooses]

They were definately talking about back when they were first casting BTAS. There's no question. God knows Andrea Romano tells that exact same story every time she's interviewed.Nah, she only says it everu other interview; it just seems that way because they've used part of the same interview twice on the DVDs.

[Fone Bone]

I am officially excited for this now. I'll tolerate Duane Capiuzzi if it means getting Curt Geda. I REALLY hope they get the old voice cast particularly Newburn, Delaney and Brown. If they ARE planning on setting it in the DCAU I don't see any reason why they wouldn't as all three have been voices on Justice League Unlimited this year.

Does anybody else hope that if this is a success we'll be getting that Justice League World's Collide DTV?

[Harley_Quinn]

I am officially excited for this now. I'll tolerate Duane Capiuzzi if it means getting Curt Geda. I REALLY hope they get the old voice cast particularly Newburn, Delaney and Brown. If they ARE planning on setting it in the DCAU I don't see any reason why they wouldn't as all three have been voices on Justice League Unlimited this year.

Does anybody else hope that if this is a success we'll be getting that Justice League World's Collide DTV?
I know, I'm really excited as well, I hope that they use the VA cast you mentioned and I hope it succesful SO we can get more DTVs!

[HelloKittyKat]

An interview said it wasn't a sequal to the last episode. It was described as a "12 labors of Hercules" type story, where Superman is "driven by his passions" to save someone "very important to him." If done properly, that sounds so very cool.:)
Sounds like they've been reading Grant Morrison's plans for his ultimate Superman story for the pat few years.

[thanos28542]

Has there been any new updates on this Superman TAS DTV movie? I have a few questions that I'm hoping someone can answer for me.

1) Is this movie gonna be animated in the Bruce Timm animated DCAU style? I really hope it is.
2) Are they trying to get the original VA from STAS for this? If they can't get Daly to reprise his role as Supes, then just use Newburn, he's been a great Supes VA in JL/JLU.
3)Is this slated for this yr or sometime next yr?

I really hope the answer to my 1st 2 questions is a big yes. Otherwise, I really don't know how good this will be if it's done by anyone else other than the DCAU team. I really don't wanna hear that it's being done by the "The Batman" people!:mad:

[A.J]

All of your questions have been answered before along the thread. Please dont "insult" The Batman people and the show just because you may not like it.

[thanos28542]

All of your questions have been answered before along the thread. Please dont "insult" The Batman people and the show just because you may not like it.
Whatever! 1st off, I asked if anyone knew any "updated" news along with the 3 other questions. 2nd I didn't insult it, I just said I hope it's not done by them cuz I & many ,many others here would prefer if it's done in the Bruce Timm DCAU style. There a law against wanting that? You enjoy "The Batman", I'll stick to my DCAU thank you very much!

[A.J]

Whatever! 1st off, I asked if anyone knew any "updated" news along with the 3 other questions. 2nd I didn't insult it, I just said I hope it's not done by them cuz I & many ,many others here would prefer if it's done in the Bruce Timm DCAU style. There a law against wanting that? You enjoy "The Batman", I'll stick to my DCAU thank you very much!
Nope, there is not a Law against wanting that. You are wrong about me, I do not like The Batman and I dont enjoy it. I want the same things you are looking for so dont try to be rude on me. I just thought if you say you dont like it then you should respect people who does enjoy it and at least give out a reason why you dont like it. Relax boy!....oh and no, there are NOT updates so far on what you want to know. LAst news we have are on the DVD section regardins BTAS Volumen 4 and STAS volumen 2.

[DisneyBoy]

God knows Andrea Romano tells that exact same story every time she's interviewed.

:D It's funny cause it's true!

[Fone Bone]

God knows Andrea Romano tells that exact same story every time she's interviewed.

:D It's funny cause it's true!It's still annoying though. It's not even an interesting story. They auditioned a bunch of people, Kevin Conroy came in and they knew he was Batman, end of story. Forgive my niavete but aren't like HALF of casting stories like that?

Seriously she should just embellish it. She sould say they had auditioned nearly 50,000 people for Batman and didn't find one that sounded right so she was so tired she said "The next person who walks in here wearing an Indian Headress gets the job" and Kevin walked in wearing moccasins, beads, and holding a Tommyhawk and she said "Close enough".

Now that's a story!

[James Harvey]

3)Is this slated for this yr or sometime next yr?

I really don't wanna hear that it's being done by the "The Batman" people!:mad: Superman: Strange Allies is currently set to be released in 2006, to coincide with the release of WB's Superman Returns feature film.

To write off this DTV because some of the The Batman crew is working on the project is pretty disrespectful. I wouldn't worry about the creative talent behind this project. It's a solid team and the final results should be excellent.

[thanos28542]

Superman: Strange Allies is currently set to be released in 2006, to coincide with the release of WB's Superman Returns feature film.

To write off this DTV because some of the The Batman crew is working on the project is pretty disrespectful. I wouldn't worry about the creative talent behind this project. It's a solid team and the final results should be excellent.
I don't care for the animation style in "The Batman" so what I mean by I don't want it done by them is I hope it's not gonna be done in their style of animation, not that I don't want it done by their writers, etc. I just want it done in BT DCAU style of animation, that's all. If it's not , then I'll just rent it. I'm sure others here feel the same.

[Silly McGooses]

It's still annoying though. It's not even an interesting story. They auditioned a bunch of people, Kevin Conroy came in and they knew he was Batman, end of story. Forgive my niavete but aren't like HALF of casting stories like that?No, usually it takes a lot more time and effort, but Kevin's voice was just definitive Batman and they knew right away. That's why it's an interesting story. And she's only said it twice. They reused the footage for one of the interviews.

This DTV is still a dark horse. If it's just another pathetic "Fake anime! Kids love Anime! Screw the plot!" thing, like The Batman and half of the other american Kids WB shows, then I'm not going to buy it. But there may be something more too it we don't know, so...

[Mr.E]

theyr'e only one thing I want to know , why is it finally coming out now ??? I mean, STAS came out like 8 years ago, right ?

[thanos28542]

theyr'e only one thing I want to know , why is it finally coming out now ??? I mean, STAS came out like 8 years ago, right ?
I would guess it's because of the Superman live action movie coming out next summer & WB want's to cash in on that by coming out with a STAS DTV movie to coincide with the film's release. Again, if it's not being done in the Bruce Timm DCAU animated style, I'll just rent it.

[Fone Bone]

Maybe you all should read the entire thread. Jim Harvey said it WOULD be done in DCAU style with slightly tweaked designs. They will look like the earlier designs Bruce Timm had come up with before settling on his STAS design. Jim ALSO said the movie would be in continuity with STAS but a stand-alone story not dependant on viewers having seen it (as opposed to the continuity driven stories of JLU). It will also be directed by Return of the Joker's Curt Geda.

Honestly, it would really help if y'all read the entire thread before bashing this project. I'm really excited about it and am very surprised and pleased that it looks like this will be the STAS DTV we've always wanted.

[Silly McGooses]

"tweaked."

We don't know how much, and that worries me very much.
I don't mean to bash The Batman's crew, but if it's by them, the story and dialogue are almost 100% guaraunteed to be completely juvenile. One of the producers (I forget who) made a comment about how The Batman was for little kids. Never mind appealing to everybody...

[Bucho]

I was just going to say that, Fone Bone. I also think people are getting too hung up on "The Batman" crew thing. Yes, there are people working on this DTV that worked on The Batman. But there are also people who worked on Xiaolin Showdown and other WB productions. Entire crews don't move from show to show. Individual artists are chosen based on their talents and availability. Just because artists who happened to work on The Batman are working on this doesn't mean it is going to look like "The Batman". These people are great artists and can adapt to whatever style is necessary for the production.

[John Cage]

Maybe you all should read the entire thread. Jim Harvey said it WOULD be done in DCAU style with slightly tweaked designs. They will look like the earlier designs Bruce Timm had come up with before settling on his STAS design.These designs?

http://www.buzzscope.com/timm/gallery/1144.jpg

Because Supes, Clark Kent and Lex look modern enough, but Lois, Jimmy and Perry look awfully old fashioned (and rightfully so). Hopefully we'll get more info on this soon with some of the "new" designs.

EDIT: If you can't see the picture, click here - http://www.buzzscope.com/timm/viewer.php?id=1144

Have a good day.
John Cage
(Mystery Man)

[Silly McGooses]

But there are also people who worked on Xiaolin Showdown and other WB productions. .Xiaolin Showdown !? Holy God...

(crawls into corner and cries at having false hope for Superman DTV)

[Fone Bone]

"tweaked."

We don't know how much, and that worries me very much.
I don't mean to bash The Batman's crew, but if it's by them, the story and dialogue are almost 100% guaraunteed to be completely juvenile. One of the producers (I forget who) made a comment about how The Batman was for little kids. Never mind appealing to everybody...Do you honestly believe that Duane Caupizzi cannot string two sentences together? Seriously, The Batman is made for little kids so it's dialogue is written to talk down to them. Similar to Static Shock's dialogue which could get atrocious at times. Does that mean you would have rather Dwayne McDuffie had never written Hereafter, The Cadmus Arc, or Epilogue for JL/U? Cause his storytelling and dialogue is pretty tight on that show. I personally welcome a chance for Duane Caupizzi to stretch his wings.

Oh, and John Cage, the picture doesn't show up.

[A.J]

Could it be possible that by "new designs of STAS" they are referring to the JL ones..? :confused:

[Silly McGooses]

Do you honestly believe that Duane Caupizzi cannot string two sentences together? Seriously, The Batman is made for little kids so it's dialogue is written to talk down to them. Similar to Static Shock's dialogue which could get atrocious at times. Does that mean you would have rather Dwayne McDuffie had never written Hereafter, The Cadmus Arc, or Epilogue for JL/U? Cause his storytelling and dialogue is pretty tight on that show. I personally welcome a chance for Duane Caupizzi to stretch his wings.

Oh, and John Cage, the picture doesn't show up.I'm saying that talking down to little kids is never a good idea, and it certainly should not be part of this Superman DTV. It doesn't help them learn anything new and it doesn't provide any sort of entertainment to older viewers. When I was five and B:TAS was in it's original run, I could understand it and I enjoyed it, and I knew that stylistically there was something special to set it apart from other things. It later gave me an interest in art deco and introduced me to graphic novels. The Batman talks down to kids, and any at-all bright child can tell when they're being talked down at. The Batman, stylistically, is just a carbon copy of every other cheap anime wannabe cartoon show out there. There's no originallity. What Batman:TAS did so well was appeal to everybody, without even writing on "child" and "adult" levels! That's because the stories and styles were simply universally good. "The Batman" may be watched by a bunch of little kids now, but they'll grow out of it quickly and be bored by it forever in the future because all it is is a toy commercial that fills up twenty minutes with action. I don't want that to be what the Superman DTV to be like that, because it's already too late for me to enjoy it then and the kids who buy it won't treasure it in the future.

whew!
Nothing against those who enjoy The Batman and Xiaolin Showdown though.

P.S.: Okay, I'll tell ya what. I'll rent "The" vs. Dracula when it comes out to see what this crew can do with a feature format, just to be fair.

[Bucho]

Xiaolin Showdown !? Holy God...

Do you think that means Superman is going to have a huge yellow head or something? They are using the Timm designs. Also, there are some artists who work on both JLU and Krypto. Two completely different shows, but they can adapt and do work that is appropriate to the subject matter and target audience for the show.

And by the way, Xiaolin Showdown was produced by Eric Radomski, one of the original creators of B:TAS.

[Bucho]

P.S.: Okay, I'll tell ya what. I'll rent "The" vs. Dracula when it comes out to see what this crew can do with a feature format, just to be fair.

You need to get the "crew" thing out of your mind. There are a lot of people working on the Superman DTV that had nothing to do with "The Batman" or "The Batman vs. Dracula". It's like saying "Valiant" is from the creators of Shrek.

[Fone Bone]

I'm saying that talking down to little kids is never a good idea, and it certainly should not be part of this Superman DTV. It doesn't help them learn anything new and it doesn't provide any sort of entertainment to older viewers. When I was five and B:TAS was in it's original run, I could understand it and I enjoyed it, and I knew that stylistically there was something special to set it apart from other things. It later gave me an interest in art deco and introduced me to graphic novels. The Batman talks down to kids, and any at-all bright child can tell when they're being talked down at. The Batman, stylistically, is just a carbon copy of every other cheap anime wannabe cartoon show out there. There's no originallity. What Batman:TAS did so well was appeal to everybody, without even writing on "child" and "adult" levels! That's because the stories and styles were simply universally good. "The Batman" may be watched by a bunch of little kids now, but they'll grow out of it quickly and be bored by it forever in the future because all it is is a toy commercial that fills up twenty minutes with action. I don't want that to be what the Superman DTV to be like that, because it's already too late for me to enjoy it then and the kids who buy it won't treasure it in the future.

whew!
Nothing against those who enjoy The Batman and Xiaolin Showdown though.

P.S.: Okay, I'll tell ya what. I'll rent "The" vs. Dracula when it comes out to see what this crew can do with a feature format, just to be fair.I'm saying that you are judging this project unfairly when we have ZERO reliable information of what it is about. Sure it may suck but why all the gloom and doom? Duane Capauzzi was involved with Men in Black the Series which was pretty boss in it's early years. THEY ARE USING THE TIMM DESIGNS BUT THEY WILL BE TWEAKED. Justice League itself tweaked the BTAS and STAS designs greatly. They are not going to turn Lex Luthor into a guy wearing a straightjacket and rastafarian dreds.

And seriously, lay off Duane Caupizzi. That's like saying Bruce Timm is unqualified to work on a Batman cartoon because he worked on He-Man and the Masters of the Universe. Hardly BTAS caliber but see what can happen when you give a professional a chance?

I know you say you mean no disrespect to The Batman fans but this strikes me as sour grapes when we have little information about the project and the little we do is something that makes me as a DCAU fan hopeful.

[Silly McGooses]

A'ight, I apologize for semi-attacking this movie before there's been a lot of information, I just am very worried about what it could become based on what I know about the project. I just don't want it to be aimed squarely at kids, like most of "THE" Universe.

[James Harvey]

I'm saying that you are judging this project unfairly when we have ZERO reliable information of what it is about. Thank you, Fone Bone. Sadly, it is going to remain speculative for just a bit longer. With Superman: Strange Allies (working title) still in production, and currently slated for release in the first half of 2006, it will be a little bit longer before official images and information start to slowly leak out. This sounds like a fun project. You have Superman, Lex Luthor, Brainiac, and alot of the regular Superman: The Animated Series cast returning for what should be a fun adventure.

[BigFatHairyDeal]

Since a couple of posters discussed the designs incorporated for this project, I'm going to say I'd rather that they not use old fashioned-looking characters. It worked for me for BTAS but Superman is the Man of Tomorrow, and Metropolis the City of Tomorrow. I'm not asking for the production crew to make The Jetsons, but I'd prefer Superman to be more modern and cutting edge. Unless the story is obviously meant to take place in the past (I'm not sure why it would), a modern look is better suited. Retro has its place (as an aside, it's worth mentioning that Bryan Singer's Superman movie will have a retro look), but generally it's hard to go wrong with contemporary styles.

As a comic book reader, I'm not perturbed one iota that a different crew is at the helm for this project. It's often nice to see someone new take a stab at a title, both writing and illustrating. While I have favorite writers and artists, who is behind the work is never more important than whether the product is quality. As I mentioned earlier, no one currently working on Superman stories, animation or comics, invented the character. It doesn't seem productive to dismiss a project because certain individuals aren't involved.

[Silly McGooses]

Thank you, Fone Bone. Sadly, it is going to remain speculative for just a bit longer. With Superman: Strange Allies (working title) still in production, and currently slated for release in the first half of 2006, it will be a little bit longer before official images and information start to slowly leak out. This sounds like a fun project. You have Superman, Lex Luthor, Brainiac, and alot of the regular Superman: The Animated Series cast returning for what should be a fun adventure.
Really? I thought we were still waiting for a confirmation on whether any of the original cast was returning. So I'm assuming Corey Burton, Dana Delaney, Clancy Brown, etc? That'd be good.

[A.J]

Could it be possible that by "new designs of STAS" they are referring to the JL ones..? :confused:
Oh man, I guess my thoughts here arent that important since everybody ignored me :crying: (JLSAINT goes away & start crying in his lonely & dark room...)

[Silly McGooses]

ooh, it's okay! We all love you!

I didn't respond because I didn't know...we'll just have to wait and see some images when they come out.

[A.J]

ooh, it's okay! We all love you!

I didn't respond because I didn't know...we'll just have to wait and see some images when they come out.
:p yay! Silly McGooses noticed me! (JLSAINT comes out of his dark & lonely room and hope returns to his broken heart...:anime: )

I guess we will have to wait then. Since we have ZERO information about it (as Fone Bone The Almighty said) then all we have is speculation. Now, speculate me this please: How is it possible that STAS never had, indeed, a DTV movie before? The Batman/Superman Movie doesnt count right? Batman has 4 DTV if I am not mistaken but Superman not even 1. This new movie is very good for our beloved Clark, but I dont understand why. Bad show ratings maybe? JLSAINT remains in doubt...

[fatboy]

Okay, I'll tell ya what. I'll rent "The" vs. Dracula when it comes out to see what this crew can do with a feature format, just to be fair.

wow, don't do us any favors, O.K.?


I don't care for the animation style in "The Batman" so what I mean by I don't want it done by them is I hope it's not gonna be done in their style of animation, not that I don't want it done by their writers, etc. I just want it done in BT DCAU style of animation, that's all. If it's not , then I'll just rent it. I'm sure others here feel the same.

You guys can relax, it looks like the old show already! Jeez....it dosen't look like TB and the small "tweeks" you guys are worrying about, most of you won't even notice.

[LeatherWings]

I have mixed opinion about this, but if if it stays a stand alone movie the way it is now, it has a way greater chance at being better than it would if it was mixed into Supes, trust me.

[Bird Boy]

Just a reminder: stay on topic. This isn't a thread for The Batman.

And LeatherWings--you've been told in the past, but cut the repetitive The Batman bashing, would you? We know you're opinion, please stop repeating it.

-BB

[Douglas Fir]

I'm confused! Regardless of the character designs and voice actors is Superman: Strange Allies going to be in continuity with the DCAU Superman (S:TAS, JL & JLU) or is it a seperate thing altogether to tie-in with the Superman Returns movie continuity?

[Silly McGooses]

I think it's sort of midway...it's just Superman, nothing more nothing less. Sort of standalone, but sort of connected to S:TAS

[Bobbywoodhogan]

Is there anything new about this?

[Bizarro Batman]

Is there anything new about this?I don't think there is, but if that is the case I doubt it'll stay that way for long. Since it comes out around the same time as Superman Returns, they'll be wanting to hype it up sooner than later.

[Bobbywoodhogan]

So is the title of this film Superman: Strange Allies? 'cause if it is maybe we'll see Adam Strange http://www.brokenfrontier.com/img/2005/jan/DC/AdamStrangeCv8.jpg

[Style]

At this point, I've more or less given up defending these projects ahead of time. People will think whatever they want no matter how irrational and illinformed they are.

So, I'll sit back and wait, and cross my fingers that BAtman vs. Dracula, Superman Strange Allies, and even Superman Returns all prove themselves by kicking mondo ass.

[bat313]

You guys can relax, it looks like the old show already! Jeez....it dosen't look like TB and the small "tweeks" you guys are worrying about, most of you won't even notice.
Not trying to be rude, but who are you to know this information? Have you seen actual images and model sheets? If not, then none of us know what the "tweeks" will involve.

Im suprised nobody has said this but with all the Braniac/Superman/Lex stuff we have seen over the course of STAS and JL/LJU, i wonder what new story they will come up with? And if they do make it in continuity with the DCU animated, are we to assume that Braniac is still dromant in Lex or this is after the cadmus story? Very interesting stuff. I am looking forward to this.

[Fone Bone]

Not trying to be rude, but who are you to know this information? Have you seen actual images and model sheets? If not, then none of us know what the "tweeks" will involve.

Im suprised nobody has said this but with all the Braniac/Superman/Lex stuff we have seen over the course of STAS and JL/LJU, i wonder what new story they will come up with? And if they do make it in continuity with the DCU animated, are we to assume that Braniac is still dromant in Lex or this is after the cadmus story? Very interesting stuff. I am looking forward to this.Fatboy has proven time and again that he has insider information on The Batman. It stands to reason he would have it for this project as well.

[Brainiac]

Okay, I'm a bit confused. I had heard awhile ago that there was a Superman DTV coming out sometime over the summer that was pretty much out of continuity with anything DCAU related (Timm or otherwise)--that is, it would be completely new. Then I read this little tidbit over at the Raving Toy Maniac boards (which consequently was quoted from "All the Rage," a comic book gossip site)...

"The picture was drawn by Tom Perkins, an artist who works on The Batman. Fan speculation had this design pegged as coming from a new Superman animated project. But it turned out to just be a random sketch he did a while back. However, I’ve heard that Perkins IS working on the new animated SUPERMAN cartoon, which is said to be coming out next fall and will likely be a complete revamp ala The Batman. So when the time comes, expect something “modern and hip.” Fans of the classic Paul Dini and Bruce Timm Superman Animated Series can take heart that a direct to video animated movie is still slated for this summer, though it will likely be the last appearance of that version of Superman outside of the remaining Justice League Unlimited episodes."

Huh? When did this happen? Is it true? I thought if anyone would know, it'd be somebody on the DCAU boards...I feel like I must have missed out on this discussion, because this just sounds too good to be true!

-Brainiac

[A.J]

I dont know how to take those news man. The "remaining JLU episodes" part leads me to believe we are on the last JLU season and the "last appearance of that version" makes me feel v sad. I really dont want the DCAU to come to an end, its too good to let it go just to get some "modern and hip" cartoons...what a shame. Anyway, Id like to see designs and more news about the new Superman cartoon and the Superman DTV a la b.t style.

[thanos28542]

I just want some solid proof that this DTV Superman movie is really gonna be done by BT & Co. in the DCAU style & when it's coming out, what's the storyline, who are the villians & if Tim Daly has been brought back to voice Supes or is George Newburn gonna do it? I could care less about another Supes animated series , especially if it's gonna be in "the Batman" , "cool & hip" :yawn: animated style.

[James Harvey]

I just want some solid proof that this DTV Superman movie is really gonna be done by BT & Co. in the DCAU style & when it's coming out, what's the storyline, who are the villians & if Tim Daly has been brought back to voice Supes or is George Newburn gonna do it? I could care less about another Supes animated series , especially if it's gonna be in "the Batman" , "cool & hip" :yawn: animated style. Like everyone else, you're going to have to be patient. You can't expect news to just drop into your lap upon request. When the summer gets closer, there will be an official announcement. Alot of what is posted in this thread is true, so just hold tight until the official announcements are made. It will not be much longer.

[S.C.B]

Interesting news here:

http://supermanhomepage.com/ (http://supermanhomepage.com/news.php)

Seems Tim Daly's coming back as Supes in the DTV. How cool.

[PeterFries]

Also worth noting is that the Superman design (not to mention the Brainiac design), seen on the right of that news item, is more or less exactly the same one from S:TAS.

[Bird Boy]

Also worth noting is that the Superman design (not to mention the Brainiac design), seen on the right of that news item, is more or less exactly the same one from S:TAS.

Considering that's what they've been saying since this was announced, that's not really news.

Still this looks to be interesting. As long as the story is fun, I'll be happy.

-BB

[S.C.B]

Ooo... interesting...


But perhaps even more daunting will be getting in touch with his feelings for Lois.

I guess this could be the Clark/Lois story that some fans *cough*Disney Boy*coughcough* have been waiting for.

I know I'll be looking forward to some developments in their relationship.

[J-Ranger]

So the movie will be titled "Superman: Brainiac Attacks"

It's not bad but I would've prefered a better title but it is still cool nonetheless

[PeterFries]

Considering that's what they've been saying since this was announced, that's not really news.
-BB

Oh, I know, but like the "JLU has been cancelled" meme, there seems to be a contingent of fans who are willfully ignoring that information and choosing to believe that there's a Superman project in the works that looks like The Batman...

[Simpler Simon]

i'm sure all sorts of fun continuity issues will be raised :p

[thanos28542]

YESSSSSS! Exactly the great news I've been hoping for! STAS DVD done in the DCAU animation style & it's just awesome that thye got Daly back to voice Superman! No disrespect towards Newbern who has improved leaps & bounds over the last couple of yrs as the VA for JL/JLU Supes, but Daly "IS" the voice of Superman IMO. I am so stoked for the release of this DTV movie! I really hope WB has plans to release more DCAU DTV movies & not just stop with this one. If we can't have anymore season series, the least WB can do for us loyal fans of the DCAU is give us a few DTV movie releases every yr!:D

[Bobbywoodhogan]

Tim Daly get in!

[neogothboy74]

This news about old character designs, and voices and the like + a story involving Superman/Lois development is finally getting me, somewhat cautiously excited about this new DTV ;) On the flip side, the revelation that it's also a Lex/Brainiac story is far less exciting to me as last season of JLU pretty much told the ultimate L/B story, in my opinion - and I'm wondering where in the DCAU's continuity it will take place, if at all. If it does take place around the current season of JLU that would be really awesome - and a great way to deal with the whole L/B thing from "I Am Legion" while also moving along the Supes/Lois scenes we've seen throughout League episodes... And if no new series come to pass in the DCAU, and this is the last we'll see of this Superman, I hope it's something fitting, for the character. Though in a way, the Supes/Lois thing is all that really needs to be explored, as last season of JLU really told a great 'final' Superman story + we have the bonus 2 parter on Batman Beyond. The only other things that I'd really like to see Superman wise, is a return of Darkseid, which given TWILIGHT isn't really needed... Something to do with the Apocalypse of '09. And maybe a retrospective on Supes life, from the Batman Beyond era Supes. I'd enjoy all of those. :)

[efumf]

http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/986/supvsbrainiac3nc.jpg

eee :anime:

[EJill34]

I'm not sure how they'll fit this one into continuity, but we'll see what happens.

[A.J]

Man, the news are awesome. I love how this project sounds. I have no idea at all why they would go back with Tim Daly since Newburn is doing a great job but oh well. I hope they fit this movie in conntinuity somehow, altho we´ve seen they usually dont do it with the BTAS DTV movies. Im sure this movie will be lots of fun and good action sequences. I am very interested about Lois and Clark. Cant wait for this movie! One more to my DVD collection! :p

[Hero Supreme]

as much as i have enjoyed braniac, do we really need ANOTHER luthor braniac team up?

[Bird Boy]

as much as i have enjoyed braniac, do we really need ANOTHER luthor braniac team up?

Probably not, no. But considering when this went into production and when JLU was in production and the fact the writers are different, they probably had no idea they were doing similar stories.

Promo image looks good. Looking forward to this...

-BB

[OneManHairBand]

Am I the only one who doesn't notice where the "design tweaks" are? Looks a lot like the STAS design to me.

Glad they got Daly back. Nothing against Newbern, but I'm all for original cast members whenever possible.

[John6777]

I'm sure we can fit it into Continuity ourselves. I mean Luthor prolly wont know about the nanites in him and it wont even be mentioned. So we can just throw it in somewhere lol.

[Spider-Man]

I think Lois looks off in that picture. And it does look like the designs have been changed a little bit. Superman looks a little bit difference in the face and hair. He looks like an early version of Aluir Almancio's rendition in the Superman Adventures comic before his art went downhill in a bad way.

[Divv]

Glad to hear that this is a DCAU tale but I have to say I'm gutted for George Newbern. He's carved out this role for himself over the last 5 years and made it his own. Daly had his chance on STAS and when JL came along he was nowhere to be found so why just throw the door open to him now when George Newbern is the animated Superman now?

Don't get me wrong I'll still be first in the queue for this film but I am really disappointed to hear that George has been shafted.

[Yarharhar]

I don't think they had anything against george, I thought it was in Daly's contract for him to still do the voice in STAS video games/movies and such.

[Hero Supreme]

so, why doent daly do JLU?

[Toddman]

... there seems to be a contingent of fans .... choosing to believe that there's a Superman project in the works that looks like The Batman...


There still very well might be one.

Remember that The Batman debuted less than a year after the TNBA-styled Mystery of the Batwoman was released on DVD. The same thing might happen with Superman, if a new solo Supes series is given the greenlight.


And for any fans who think the promo-image for "Brainiac Attacks" looks slightly off from the traditional STAS art, I wouldn't worry about it too much. Just look at how off-model most of the WHV promo-art is from the various Batman and Superman DVD releases. It's never a reflection of the animation itself. For example, the cover art for "The Batman/Superman Movie" was atrocious, but the animation still looked fantastic.


Toddman

[Crambam]

I dont know how to take those news man. The "remaining JLU episodes" part leads me to believe we are on the last JLU season and the "last appearance of that version" makes me feel v sad. I really dont want the DCAU to come to an end, its too good to let it go just to get some "modern and hip" cartoons...what a shame. Anyway, Id like to see designs and more news about the new Superman cartoon and the Superman DTV a la b.t style.

The Timm version IS modern/hip. There is nothing that The Batman adds that Batman TAS didn't add, and the same will hold true with any Superman series.

If this is the end of the Timmverse, they are really just setting themselves up to do similar things that the Timmverse did, only with THEIR versions. Batman to Superman to JL. I would assume they will skip BB, but JL is the logical way to go.

The Timmverse has been incredible. They can only hope to equal what those guys have done. I don't think it can be topped.

[Duke]

so, why doent daly do JLU?
According to Bruce Timm, it was way too hard to get Daly in the booth during the end of S:TAS (since Daly was busy with other projects), so when JL came around, it was altogether easier to re-cast the part.

Not sure what to think about this, overall. I mean, it's nice that we're getting a Superman DTV (which I'm assuming will be released when Superman Returns comes to DVD), but it will seem weird since I'm far too used to JL/U Supes now.

I do wish George would get at least a cameo.

[Avilos]

So does anyone subcribe to TVGuide and get the new issue yet? What exactly does the article say?

[Casey Mack]

I'm sure we can fit it into Continuity ourselves. I mean Luthor prolly wont know about the nanites in him and it wont even be mentioned. So we can just throw it in somewhere lol.

i dought it will be in continuity[ and does not need to be]. If it was people would be wondering "Why dooes he not call the League for help?". simple this movie will be like "Mystery of the Batwoman" in its own little world. Luthor is still running Lex corp, and things are like they were when the STAS ended.

[bobspoland]

It's good to see there going to keep the same anime style. Maybe this countiunity will be set after JLU finishes? However come on Brainic and Luthor AGAIN?? yawn Its been done.

[RickWJ324]

So does anyone subcribe to TVGuide and get the new issue yet? What exactly does the article say?

Here's what the article says in TV GUIDE:

"Lois and Clark are coming back--and we're not talking about a Teri Hatcher-Dean Cain reunion. Dana Delany and Tim Daly will reprise their roles from Superman: The Animated Series with an all-new DVD movie from Warner Bros. Animation later this year. In Superman: Brainiac Attacks, the Man of Steel faces a combined threat from his two biggest foes, Lex Luthor and Brainiac. But perhaps even more daunting will be getting in touch with his feelings for Lois. "In the series, we never touched on romance," says director Curt Geda, but in Brainiac Attacks, "Clark struggles with his need to disclose his identity to Lois because he loves her". --Rich Sands

The article also shows a pic of Supes, Lois, and Brainiac that has already been posted here, as well as pics of Delany and Daly.

--RickWJ324

[Trevor Balena]

"In the series, we never touched on romance," says director Curt Geda, but in Brainiac Attacks, "Clark struggles with his need to disclose his identity to Lois because he loves her"

Uh oh. If anything like that actually happens and the movie also features a businessman-era Luthor, then it would be impossible to place into DCAU continuity...

[BlueRocketBoy]

All it says is that "Clark struggles with his need to disclose his identity to Lois" -- not that he actually will. Perhaps he will come close, but in the end I'm betting they'll leave things status quo. Besides, Curt Geda has directed tons of DCAU episodes, and I doubt he'd want to do anything that conflicts with the various series' continuity.

[thanos28542]

While I'm extremely estatic that we're getting a DCAU Superman DTV & the original VA are reprising their roles, I kinda wish the villians were someone other than Lex & Brainiac, don't get me wrong, I love L & B but I kinda wish they had it starting where Legacy ended with Supes having to win back the world's trust & maybe a few cameos by Supergirl, Steel & even some JLers telling him that they're behind him 100% & the badguy woulda been Darkseid coming back for payback. Just my 2 cents. But beggers can't be choosy & I'll take what I can get!

[Avilos]

Thanks Rick!

[DerekPowers]

YES!!!!!!!!!!

NO GEORGE NEWBORN!!!! Wow, this really has me excited, because George Newborn cant voice Superman to save his life!

And Curt Geda directing it is very cool. He did ROTJ afterall.

Who will be the producers on this? I know Bruce Timm, sadly, isnt involved, but who is? I think that will give us an idea about what to expect....

What i want to know is if the Justice League will atleast be mentioned in the movie. After the Cadmus finale, how the hell can you have Brainiac and Luthor teaming up without it impacting JLU.

And, i also wonder how this will or does effect the current season of JLU (wouldnt it be cool if it was a tie-in for JLU). I mean, Luthor wants Brainiac, and if he's teaming up with him in this movie, it would seem he'd no longer have any use for Grodd and his "rock". hmmmm.

I just hope the events of JLU play a part in the movie, hell, even a few cameos and a scene or two on the Watchtower would be AWESOME. And i also hope that this movie fits in nice and snuggly with the current LOD story in JLU and that it doesnt create any continuity problems. The continuity is just so awesome, i really hope they use it, because this could be one hell of a movie if done right, especially after all the Luthor/Brainiac character developments.

Anyway, what fantastic news. If JLU gets another season, i for one hope they give Tim Daily back the role of Superman. He just fit the role so much better and was a MUCH MUCH better voice actor. peace.

[FALLEN ELDOR]

The whole reason of the DTV and why we are getting it is because of the upcoming superman film as such Brainiac and Lex are probably important factors in the film and they want to push those two on us. I'm excited they are going to devote time to the classic love triangle and the struggle with the secret identity stuff, something STAS never did touch much ground on. I do hope very much they touch base on Legacy and how that effects superman's reputation. It becomes especially important because Lois and Superman's relationship obviously changes from that point on, that would be a good point to bring about the triangle plot and the perfect springboard for this DTV. Heck it might even tie into how Brainiac became interested in Darksied...

Timeline/continuity wise, It's not unheard of or unrealistic to expect they keep things congruent with JL's two single Brainiac appearances. Even if they don't we already rationalized away the Static shock appearance (back up program less "evolved" then the "real" Brainiac.) Either way I'm sure when everything is said and done we wont be crying continuity foul. As for Lois and the secret identity stuff "Batman" refers to "Bruce Wayne" in the third person. He refers to him self as if he where someone else, Lois could have easily been doing the same thing with Clark at the Daily Planet choosing her words carefully and effectively with Only Clark and Lois understanding all the subtle meaning. I liked Lois's conversations with Superman and Clark in JLU, I never thought they where indicative that she knew or didn't know, so whatever happens in the DTV with the secret I doubt it will disrupt continuity very much.


YES!!!!!!!!!!

NO GEORGE NEWBORN!!!! Wow, this really has me excited, because George Newborn cant voice Superman to save his life!

And Curt Geda directing it is very cool. He did ROTJ afterall.

So is there any word on who wrote this? What about who is producing it? I know Bruce Timm, sadly, isnt involved, but who is? I think that will give us an idea about what to expect....

What i want to know is if the Justice League will atleast be mentioned in the movie. After the Cadmus finale, how the hell can you have Brainiac and Luthor teaming up without it impacting JLU.

And, i also wonder how this will or does effect the current season of JLU (wouldnt it be cool if it was a tie-in for JLU). I mean, Luthor wants Brainiac, and if he's teaming up with him in this movie, it would seem he'd no longer have any use for Grodd and his "rock". hmmmm.

I just hope the events of JLU play a part in the movie, hell, even a few cameos and a scene or two on the Watchtower would be AWESOME. And i also hope that this movie fits in nice and snuggly with the current LOD story in JLU and that it doesnt create any continuity problems. The continuity is just so awesome, i really hope they use it, because this could be one hell of a movie if done right, especially after all the Luthor/Brainiac character developments.

Anyway, what fantastic news. If JLU gets another season, i for one hope they give Tim Daily back the role of Superman. He just fit the role so much better and was a MUCH MUCH better voice actor. peace.

I hope they don't touch base on JLU at all. In fact hope this DTV would fit between Legacy and Secret Origins. The only mention of other heroes I'd like to see is Flash or Kyle helping or defending superman in a the headline news channel. How they feel about Superman after his mind wipe in legacy.

[DerekPowers]

OH CRAP. I may have gotten overlly excited in my above post. I just browsed this thread and i didnt know Duane Cappizzi wrote this....

AHHHH, damn, i really really dont know what to think now. I mean, with the exception of a hand full of good episodes, The Batman has been a disapointment overall, and i mean some of those episodes were HORRIBLE.

Yikes, why Duane Cappizzi???? WHY!!!!!!!!

Geez, its like, i dont think he's up to the challenge. We DCAU fans have very high standards when it comes to the Timmverse, and someone from the "the-verse" really seems to be out of his league with a project like this. I mean, its the first STAS story in a long time, and with all the events of JLU (past and present) the continuity stuff will definately factor in (i for one hope the JL is part of the story, maybe even the LOD, but i'm sure thats wishfull thinking), so it doesnt sit well having this "outsider" write this movie.

Well, i guess we'll just have to wait and see. Who know, i guess, Micheal Reeves wrote MOTBW, and he was a veteran BTAS writer, so i guess you really cant tell untill you see the movie. Lets just say Cappizzi's track record, imo, really doesnt qualify him to tackle such sacred material, but time will tell...

Here's a question, to anyone who may know....If Bruce Timm isnt involved, and the blurb said the designs were slightly tweaked and updated, then who did that? I hope it was Timm, i mean, the STAS designs are his babies. Maybe James Tucker "tweaked and updated" them, but i'd like to know who for sure. Just curious i guess. peace.

[EJill34]

DerekPowers, don't you think you're being just a tad bit offensive to those involved? If you're going to make such a mean-spirted statement about George Newbern, at least have the decency to spell his name correctly.

And using a term like "sacred" in relation to S:TAS seems a bit too much. Since we're talking about track records, you certainly have one that is a little on the presumptuous side. We know next to nothing about this movie...don't be so quick to judge.

[A.J]

Yo DerekPowers, you should relax dude. I think its a STAS DTV movie, not a JL or JLU DTV. Therefore I guess they will focus more in Superman & Lois vs the Villains, just like STAS did it. I dont think there will be room for the LOD or references to Cadmus. I do hope the movie rocks, no matter if its a STAS DTV. Not sure why you hate George Newbern so much, but I do love his voice in JLU. Since its more a STAS DTV than a JL-JLU DTV, I guess thats why we are getting Tim to voice him. Anyway, it was about time for a STAS DTV! BTAS has already 3! Not sure about anything anyway, just my 2 cents :sad:

Ps. I hope we will get a JL/JLU DTV someday in the near future!

[DerekPowers]

I hope they don't touch base on JLU at all. In fact hope this DTV would fit between Legacy and Secret Origins. The only mention of other heroes I'd like to see is Flash or Kyle helping or defending superman in a the headline news channel. How they feel about Superman after his mind wipe in legacy.
Yeah, i guess its likely that this movie could take place between Legacy and Secret Origins, BUT i personally would rather it take place now.

While I, like any DCAU fan, would have loved a STAS follow-up season to Legacy (or even a DTV a few years ago), to revisit that now seems sort of pointless. They've already addresed Legacy in JL AND JLU (they even have superman say how he's had to earn back the earth's trust), and SO much has happened since then, that it just seems unnecessary to back-track.

anyway, thats just my opinion. I really think Superman shoud reveal his identity to Lois already. they obviously have a much more intimate relationship in JL and JLU than in STAS, so it seems like he should. Plus, it just seems silly to not have Lois know this late in the game.

I personally never interpreted Lois's finale remarks in "Divided We Fall" as her knowing. I always came away from the Cadmus finale feeling like she DIDNT know. anyway, its cool this will finally be addressed, it just sucks its being addressed by Duane Cappizzi and not someone like Dini, Berkawitz, McDuffy, or any of the other Timmverse staples. Oh well.



DerekPowers, don't you think you're being just a tad bit offensive to those involved? If you're going to make such a mean-spirted statement about George Newbern, at least have the decency to spell his name correctly.

And using a term like "sacred" in relation to S:TAS seems a bit too much. Since we're talking about track records, you certainly have one that is a little on the presumptuous side. We know next to nothing about this movie...don't be so quick to judge.
Woops, sooooorrrrry, George Newbern. :rolleyes:

Look, i may be alittle harsh, but im not even saying i think it wont be good, im just not sure. I have my worries, and i'm voicing them.

As for Newbern, sorry dude, but i cant stand him as Superman, and i've never kept that a secret and i truely think he is one of the reason why, imo, Superman is so LAME in JL (season 1, he's alright in season 2, imo) and JLU (obviously it has more to do w/ the writing, but still, i find his voice weak and tired, and hes just not nearly as good of a va as Daily). So ofcourse my reaction was going to be as it was. Im very glad Newbern isnt involved, and id like to see him replaced by Daily on JLU if that were possible.

And Cappizzi, sorry, i also may be being harsh, but The Batman, imo, DOES NOT qualify him to handle my absolute favorite thing in our popular culture, and that is the TIMMVERSE. its the greatest thing, for me personally, ever. So sorry if i'm a bit harsh, but after the Mystery of the Batwoman, AND Newbern's tired performance, and 3 lack-luster seasons of "The Batman", i do not think my above post was innappropriate. I think i and anyone else has a right to be skeptical.

anyway, I do hope it will be good. peace.

[FALLEN ELDOR]

I personally never interpreted Lois's finale remarks in "Divided We Fall" as her knowing. I always came away from the Cadmus finale feeling like she DIDNT know.



My point was that it could be interpreted either way.

[Bird Boy]

And Cappizzi, sorry, i also may be being harsh, but The Batman, imo, DOES NOT qualify him to handle my absolute favorite thing in our popular culture,

As far as I know, Capizzi has yet to fully write an episode of The Batman. True I'm sure he has some say in the stories, but he doesn't write them. I think he did great on the Dracula DTV and I have no worries about what he's going to be doing with this movie.


and that is the TIMMVERSE. its the greatest thing, for me personally, ever.

Well if the intial reports still hold true, it'll look like Timm's universe but it's really not a specific in-continuity story. That may have changed, I don't know. But seriously man...relax. You know how many writers have contributed to the "Timmverse"?


So sorry if i'm a bit harsh, but after the Mystery of the Batwoman,

Well you praised Curt Geda for ROTJ, yet Geda produced and directed MOTB. Having just watched MOTB, I don't know how you or anyone can possibly hold that movie in higher regard than The Batman.


AND Newbern's tired performance, and 3 lack-luster seasons of "The Batman", i do not think my above post was innappropriate. I think i and anyone else has a right to be skeptical.

Everyone has the right to be skeptical, but not to be disrespectful. Many of us here have enjoyed Newbern's growth into the character of Superman as well as the seasons of The Batman. I don't care if you want to voice your dislike, just don't lambast them so harshly. There's absolutely no need for it.

-BB

[otter]

Awesome news. All the George Newbern bashing is getting a bit old though. While it's good to hear that Tim Daly is doing the voice again for the DTV, Newbern has been doing a great job voicing Superman. In the first couple of JL episodes Newbern's Superman sounded off, but that's just because I was so used to hearing Daly's rendition. If the situation were reversed and Newbern had been the original voice actor for Superman:TAS, I bet a lot of people would be bashing Tim Daly doing Superman's voice in JLU.

[BigFatHairyDeal]

I'm happy to know that a Superman DTV is on its way. I guess I have reserved optimism, though, because DCAU Superman isn't written as consistently good as some other characters, and nothing from DC/WB can bring me down like a bad Superman story.

Having just read All Star Superman #2, I was quite pleased that Grant Morrison wrote a Superman who was absolutely on top of his game. Morrison wasn't intimidated by Superman's power, unlike the STAS team, and didn't need to drag Superman through the doldrums of self-doubt, like many comic writers have been doing for some time. That said, I think the JLU guys have a good grasp of how powerful Superman can be without being uninteresting, and with the Cadmus arc over, we're seeing a positive Superman again, and that makes me happy.

[DerekPowers]

Everyone has the right to be skeptical, but not to be disrespectful. Many of us here have enjoyed Newbern's growth into the character of Superman as well as the seasons of The Batman. I don't care if you want to voice your dislike, just don't lambast them so harshly. There's absolutely no need for it.

-BB
Well, i dont think i was being that harsh initially, but when you have to defend yourself for voicing an opinion, you tend get alittle more dramatic...

anyway, i dont mean to offend anyone. I guess the real problem is i'm still waiting for the next MOTP or ROTJ, and w/ someone like Capizzi at the helm, the chances of us getting that are slim. I guess when i hear "movie" or "DTV" i automatically get high expectations and expect it to be a big event or something, so when you're brought back to reality with something like MOTBW or the news that Duane Capizzi is writing a STAS movie, well, perhaps my emotions get the better of me.

Anyway, i really do hope this movie is good. I guess i'm just still waiting for the next ROTJ. peace.

[Bird Boy]

anyway, i dont mean to offend anyone. I guess the real problem is i'm still waiting for the next MOTP or ROTJ, and w/ someone like Capizzi at the helm, the chances of us getting that are slim.

You drastically underestimate what Capizzi can do. Given the chance any of these "childrens show" writers could push out some excellent stuff. We don't live in the age where Kids WB! wants to air something like TNBA anymore. They want something dumbed down. It's not the writers, it's the network.

And the chances of us getting another MOTP or ROTJ are pretty much slim. Those two you mentioned had the original BTAS/BB crews on them, which none of the other DTV's have.


I guess when i hear "movie" or "DTV" i automatically get high expectations and expect it to be a big event or something, so when you're brought back to reality with something like MOTBW or the news that Duane Capizzi is writing a STAS movie, well, perhaps my emotions get the better of me.

I used to think the same way, but, as you said, then MOTB happened. I really can't get over what a complete pile of...ugh. I had to watch it the other day, I could barely finish it. "Twa-Lah" my ass. Anyway, getting off topic...

But again, Superman is a different character. We've never seen Capizzi write for him and, again, after Dracula I have a lot of faith in Capizzi.

-BB

[jv2k]

With the work I've seen them do in some episodes of the batman(riddled, the clayface episodes), and The Batman vs Dracula, I have confindence that this DTV will be good.

[efumf]

While I'm not going to judge Capizzi just yet, Dracula was far from being Dini/McDuffie/Dematies-level writing. It was entertaining but forgettable at best.

Instead of comparing Dracula to the show, how bout comparing it to Batman Begins? After all, we all compared Sub Zero to Batman and Robin when they came out. There's no reason that an animated DTV can't have a script every bit as good as a good live action feature.

That said, I'm very excited to see Capizzi prove himself with this.

[Toddman]

Here's a question, to anyone who may know....If Bruce Timm isnt involved, and the blurb said the designs were slightly tweaked and updated, then who did that? I hope it was Timm, i mean, the STAS designs are his babies. Maybe James Tucker "tweaked and updated" them, but i'd like to know who for sure. Just curious i guess.

Where in the TV Guide article did it state that the designs had been updated? Or am I looking at the wrong blurb?


Toddman

[Silly McGooses]

You drastically underestimate what Capizzi can do. Given the chance any of these "childrens show" writers could push out some excellent stuff. We don't live in the age where Kids WB! wants to air something like TNBA anymore. They want something dumbed down. It's not the writers, it's the network.
-BB

I used to think this, but then I saw Batman Vs. Dracula, after hearing it was going to be the non-dumbed down Batman. What it was was The Batman with more gore in it. I really could care less about non-stop action scenes.

However, the rest of this recent news is excellent. That promo image looks great and it's good to hear that the original VAs are back. Also good to hear that Curt Geda is directing. Sure, MOTB is horrifyingly bad, but he really didn't have anything to work with and what he did on BB:ROTJ was phenomenal.

I never in a million years imagined that Superman:TAS would be back for an encore. It just seemed like the opposite of anything WB would greenlight. Maybe it's because they needed to get the DTV out quick and didn't have the time to start from the ground up.

Anyway, I'll be buying this first day it comes out.

[DerekPowers]

after Dracula I have a lot of faith in Capizzi.

-BB
Well, see, i really didnt care for that movie. It was mediocre at best, imo, and, eh, just wasnt my cup of tea...i was actually kind of surprised at how much people liked it in the talkback. It wasnt horrible, but it really wasnt anything to talk about imo.


Dracula was far from being Dini/McDuffie/Dematies-level writing. It was entertaining but forgettable at best.
yep, my sentiments exactly.


I used to think this, but then I saw Batman Vs. Dracula, after hearing it was going to be the non-dumbed down Batman. What it was was The Batman with more gore in it. I really could care less about non-stop action scenes.
you go boy. plus i didnt really think the action scenes were anything special anyway, so.


Where in the TV Guide article did it state that the designs had been updated? Or am I looking at the wrong blurb?
it did say it, but not in the main article. it was somewhere else, i'll try and find it and post it later. I think there was another updated article or something on the Superman homepage, but that page is like messed up and keeps freezing my browser. It also may have said that in the early toonzone report, im really not sure, but i know i read that yesterday.

I assume they are very small tweaks, but it'd still be nice to know timm or tucker worked on them, you know. anyway, i'll search later and post it. if anyone else remembers where it said that, can you post the link or quote it. thanks.

peace.

[adoptedBatpuppy]

When is it going to be released? Thanks

[thanos28542]

I would think it will be released around or just before the opening of the Superman movie in May/June & the main reason we're getting this STAS DTV movie is also probably due to the movie coming out to take advantage of the Superman hype that is sure to hit when the movie comes out. I just hope that us STAS fans go out & buy this movie & that it generates great sales so WB can greenlite more STAS DTV movies!:D

[Silly McGooses]

Yeah, it's definitely just cashing in on the hype, but then again, so was SubZero and, to a certain extent, Mask of the Phantasm. Somehow I think this is it for S:TAS, I really don't think they'll do another DTV. But then again, I never thought it could be brought back to begin with.

[Bird Boy]

I used to think this, but then I saw Batman Vs. Dracula, after hearing it was going to be the non-dumbed down Batman. What it was was The Batman with more gore in it. I really could care less about non-stop action scenes.

It wasn't just The Batman with more gore, it was a less kid-friendly story all around. That's my point--not the gore, not the violence, not the action, it was the fact the story, despite having it's kiddy moments, was not typical The Batman generic, kid friendly story telling. That's what I'm trying to say, not that this new Superman DTV is gonna be uber violent and bloody.

The only reason I'm defending Capizzi so much is that the man really doesn't deserve so much hate. Sure nothing he's done is complete and utter gold, but after Curt Geda produced and directed MOTB everyone can just shrug it off and say "But he did ROTJ!" Same goes for Michael Reaves and Alan Burnett--because they've been connected to such good stuff in the past, they're forgiven immediately. I don't mean to point them out, but lets be realistic--some people can write gold and utter crap. If you're willing to give Geda the benefit of the doubt, then Capizzi should be given it as well.

I'm pretty sure this DTV won't be anything super special and like Sub-Zero will probably just be a fun ride. The story sounds interesting at least and they aren't writing up a new, horrible character (Batwoman...gahhhh) for the story.

-BB

[Silly McGooses]

I don't hate Capizzi, I just don't think he's an awfully good writer from what I've seen of his.
I don't think there's anything wrong with kid-friendly story-telling. Batman:TAS was always kid-friendly, but that didn't stop it from being a great show. I think anything outside of pornography that goes out of its way to be "adult" is pretty pretentious.

I think this new DTV does sound interesting, though, so I'll just have to wait and see.

[Primal Slayer]

So is the DTV going to be part of the main DCAU or is it going to be in its own continuity?

[Silly McGooses]

It looks like it's going to be in-continuity with S:TAS/The DCAU after all.

[Toddman]

I would think it will be released around or just before the opening of the Superman movie in May/June & the main reason we're getting this STAS DTV movie is also probably due to the movie coming out to take advantage of the Superman hype that is sure to hit when the movie comes out. I just hope that us STAS fans go out & buy this movie & that it generates great sales so WB can greenlite more STAS DTV movies!:D

It might not hit the streets until Superman Returns comes out on DVD, just as The Batman VS. Dracula was released w/Batman Begins on DVD.

There's also the release of STAS Vol. 3 to consider. WHV may not want to release both Vol. 3 and the DTV at the same time. That means one might come out when the movie hits theaters and the other in the fall, when the movie goes to DVD.

Only speculation on my part, though.

And as far as Geda's directing credentials go, he's a fine animation director, but don't forget that on ROTJ, he had a lot of help from TMS, particularly on some of the action sequences. He didn't have that resource available for MOTB.

Toddman

[Trevor Balena]

And as far as Geda's directing credentials go, he's a fine animation director, but don't forget that on ROTJ, he had a lot of help from TMS, particularly on some of the action sequences. He didn't have that resource available for MOTB.

That's true. In the commentary on "Over The Edge", Timm details just how much of the preproduction work TMS did on a lot of the episodes they animated.

He even goes so far as to say that they normally don't do commentaries on TMS episodes because "they [the producers, storyboard artists, and directors] didn't have much to do with them".

[Duke]

There's also the release of STAS Vol. 3 to consider. WHV may not want to release both Vol. 3 and the DTV at the same time. That means one might come out when the movie hits theaters and the other in the fall, when the movie goes to DVD.
I believe Warner said Vol. 3 will come out in June (which is when the movie is apparently coming out), while the DTV will be out by the end of the year.

[S.C.B]

Speaking of animation, I wonder if they'll be using TMS for this, or the same studios they use for Justice League Unlimited?

And in all honesty, even if the DTV is set after Legacy or in the middle of JLU, it wouldn't screw up continuity at all. In fact, it would add to the scenes where Lois appeared in JL and JLU.

[John Cage]

I'm willing the bet they're going to keep it within the continuity of the Superman series and not Justice League -- it just keeps things simpler for folks who might pick up the DVD after seeing the film or buying the Superman sets. It'd be too hard to keep up with Luthor's current status quo without bogging the film down in details or involving other characters like Grodd or the Cadmus crew. Hopefully they'll make it clear when the film is set, but I have a feeling it's going to be some non-specific time during the run of the show, which should work unless Superman reveals he's Clark to Lois, which would totally bugger everything up. As long as it doesn't conflict with anything, it should be fine.

Even better would be if it dealt with that period between Legacy and Secret Origins and has Superman rebuilding his reputation, something that hasn't been shown so far. That's wishful thinking though, I suppose. Frankly I'm just glad they went with the old designs and haven't recast any parts so far.

Have a good day.
John Cage

[DerekPowers]

It wasn't just The Batman with more gore, it was a less kid-friendly story all around. That's my point--not the gore, not the violence, not the action, it was the fact the story, despite having it's kiddy moments, was not typical The Batman generic, kid friendly story telling. That's what I'm trying to say, not that this new Superman DTV is gonna be uber violent and bloody.

its not a matter of being "kid friendly" or not being kid friendly. I mean, imo, BTAS was pretty "kid-friendly", but it was also many other things, many other GREAT things, which elevated it to pure art, something everyone can enjoy.

Kid-friendly or not, "Batman vs. Dracula" just wasnt that good, period (imo). but you make a good point about people making both good things and bad things, so who knows, maybe we're being too hard on Capizzi, but i just think that he hasnt earned my confidence, given what he's worked on so far.

Anyway, I hope Mercy Graves is in it!!!:D peace.

[FALLEN ELDOR]

I have a new idea...keeping an opened mind that this won't completely suck.

[The Penguin]

I have a new idea...keeping an opened mind that this won't completely suck.But that's crazy. Why would anyone want to do that?

[Azbatz]

I hope they animate it respectively. So far I’m really impressed and am holding out hope that it will surpass Catwoman, whoops! I mean… MOTB. Maybe this will be STAS MOTP?

[MacGyver]

I have a new idea...keeping an opened mind that this won't completely suck.

Gee, what a novel idea.

Seriously though, why so much dislike for Mr. Capazzi? Let’s not forget the man did work on Men in Black the Series, which was a great series (up until season 4 as far as I’m concerned, but others may disagree). He also worked on The Real Ghostbusters (not the best defense, but some of them were good until parents started to complain about the violence level of the show), Darkwing Duck, Tale Spin, and was a producer on Bonkers, and worked on other things (some of the other things are of varying quality, but still). My point is, don’t judge the man based on just The Batman, give him a chance. I personally loved the Batman vs. Dracula. And as others have said, if you can all forgive Curt Geda for Mystery of the Batwoman, let's give Mr. Capizzi a fair chance.

Anyway, on the subject of the movie, it could be good. I’ll have to wait till we see more info on it. But, I’m optimistic given how good I felt the script was for Batman vs. Dracula. And I think Curt Geda’s a great director. My only question is who’s doing the music. But that’ll have to wait.

[Silly McGooses]

I hope they animate it respectively. So far I’m really impressed and am holding out hope that it will surpass Catwoman, whoops! I mean… MOTB. Maybe this will be STAS MOTP?
Oh that Batwoman animation...*shudder.* You know what makes that animation look even worse? Zooming in on it to make it fullscreen...
I hope this is presented in Widescreen. I mean, if it's made that way.

[DerekPowers]

My only question is who’s doing the music.
Lets hope that its not the same people who did the score for MOTB. imo the music was far worse than the animation, and putting the two together, i get the willies just thinking about it...

[Azbatz]

Oh that Batwoman animation...*shudder.* You know what makes that animation look even worse? Zooming in on it to make it fullscreen...
I hope this is presented in Widescreen. I mean, if it's made that way.

Hmm… MOTP and ROTJ were animated in dazzling widescreen and both of those turned out to be masterpieces; however, BSZ and MOTB came out in full screen and are almost unbearable. :o My point: I also hope SBA comes out in widescreen as every JLU episode is made that way, so why not? Darn, it’s probably too late to call on a petition. :mad:

I think everyone will agree on this,

The bottom line:

Keep Superman and The Batman separated (respectively)
That goes for the animation
Needs a powerful new theme (think MOTP)
The entire original cast MUST return (shame on MOTB)
The scrip has to have good dialogue (memorable)
TMS, TMS, TMS; did I mention TMS?
Widescreen (if not too late)

[Simpler Simon]

Oh that Batwoman animation...*shudder.* You know what makes that animation look even worse? Zooming in on it to make it fullscreen...
I hope this is presented in Widescreen. I mean, if it's made that way.

There are two reasons people want widescreen. One because it's more artistically appealing, and two so that an anamorphic transfer will be avaliable to them when they buy a widescreen tv.

The fullscreened MOTB is the resolution you'd see on a widescreen tv, just with the sides cut off. You're kidding yourself if you think MOTB in widescreen will look better on a standard tv, because its the same animation only at a lesser resolution.

[Silly McGooses]

Hmm… MOTP and ROTJ were animated in dazzling widescreen and both of those turned out to be masterpieces; however, BSZ and MOTB came out in full screen and are almost unbearable. :o My point: I also hope SBA comes out in widescreen as every JLU episode is made that way, so why not? Darn, it’s probably too late to call on a petition. :mad:

I think everyone will agree on this,

The bottom line:

Keep Superman and The Batman separated (respectively)
That goes for the animation
Needs a powerful new theme (think MOTP)
The entire original cast MUST return (shame on MOTB)
The scrip has to have good dialogue (memorable)
TMS, TMS, TMS; did I mention TMS?
Widescreen (if not too late)
I agree with your list, but B:MOTP and ROTJ were not made in widescreen, they were cropped to widescreen from fullscreen. And yet we see both of them get widescreen releases when MOTB, which was ANIMATED in widescreen, gets a fullscreen release. I mean, the movie is crap no matter what, but it makes it that much worse.

[The Penguin]

Lets hope that its not the same people who did the score for MOTB. imo the music was far worse than the animation, and putting the two together, i get the willies just thinking about it...Well according to World's Finest it was long-time DCAU composer Lolita Ritmanis who is credited on IMDb (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0728667/) with the original Justice League theme and music for various episodes of all modern DC series save Static Shock and The Batman.

[Stu]

Well according to World's Finest it was long-time DCAU composer Lolita Ritmanis who is credited on IMDb (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0728667/) with the original Justice League theme and music for various episodes of all modern DC series save Static Shock and The Batman.
I believe she mentioned to wanted to do a little something different, and fun like Burnett and Reaves mentioned they wanted to do with the film itself.

I'd check my DVD, but I don't want to have to watch Batwoman again. What? Don't look at me like that Penguin, I'm a busy man. :sweat:

[DerekPowers]

I believe she mentioned to wanted to do a little something different, and fun like Burnett and Reaves mentioned they wanted to do with the film itself.

I'd check my DVD, but I don't want to have to watch Batwoman again. What? Don't look at me like that Penguin, I'm a busy man. :sweat:
you know, i might just re-watch that movie tomorrow or something. ive only watched it once, the day i bought it (i was so excited, i made a whole big thing out of it, and sadly, well, you know the rest...), so i've been feeling the itch to re-watch it, for some odd reason.

im just going to fast foward through that disturbing scene in the car where Bruce is on the phone w/ Barbara, w/ Tim in the back seat and Alfred in the front. yes, i dont EVER want to re-watch that scene, ever, ever, ever....

[DisneyBoy]

Here's a stupid question, yell at me if you want, but I'm sleepy and want a quick answer: Is this DTV in continuity with S:TAS/JL etc, or not?

Thanks folks *zzzz*

EDIT: Couldn't wait to find out, looked at the back pages...Lois and Clark? S:TAS? Old Voice Actors?

HOLY FRAAAAAA-geroli! NO WAY. Don't believe it. An S:TAS DTV? No way.

[John6777]

i dought it will be in continuity[ and does not need to be]. If it was people would be wondering "Why dooes he not call the League for help?". simple this movie will be like "Mystery of the Batwoman" in its own little world. Luthor is still running Lex corp, and things are like they were when the STAS ended.

I meant this probably takes place before JLU. That's how I will consider the movie before JL. Probably right after Legacy.

[Silly McGooses]

Here's a stupid question, yell at me if you want, but I'm sleepy and want a quick answer: Is this DTV in continuity with S:TAS/JL etc, or not?

Thanks folks *zzzz*

EDIT: Couldn't wait to find out, looked at the back pages...Lois and Clark? S:TAS? Old Voice Actors?

HOLY FRAAAAAA-geroli! NO WAY. Don't believe it. An S:TAS DTV? No way.
I know, wasn't that some unexpected great news?

[Azbatz]

I have an idea for Warner Brothers. If you’re reading. Like you did with the Batman franchise DVDs, go back and re-release them: BMOTP, BSZ, BMOTB, BBROTJ, and SBA in one mega-sized Special Edition box set in the proper format. Call it "The Bruce Timm DC Animated Universe Movie Collection" and package it exactly how you do the BTAS or JL seasons: 4-disc set.

They have already re-released "Planet of the Apes" franchise and the "Alien" franchise in several different box sets and people are suckers (myself included) for re-buying them. That is, as long as they get better in the quality department. For example, the second wave of Alien contained a director’s cuts. Meaning, PLEASE re-release them in the proper format! It has the potential of overflowing your piggy bank, WB.

As a bonus, each would include a commentary track; which some already do. If you take my idea, make sure it comes out the same day SBA does and be sure to INCLUDE that!

I just watched BROTJ uncut the other day and could tell it was cropped (we were gypped) and of course re-release them all over again in HD DVD. Worth a try…

[Rorschach]

Corey Burton, the voice actor who portrays Brainiac in S:TAS and Justice League says he's not heard anything about the movie and didn't do the voice for it. Doesn't that suck. I have a feeling the movie is going to be lame.

[DisneyBoy]

Where did you hear that? Are you personally involved with Corey?

Also, while I'm asking questions, do we have any idea who the writing and animating team is?

EDIT:

For those who are worried about this DTV, here is a quote from Eldor that I really think sums things up:

I'm excited they are going to devote time to the classic love triangle and the struggle with the secret identity stuff, something STAS never did touch much ground on. I do hope very much they touch base on Legacy and how that effects superman's reputation. It becomes especially important because Lois and Superman's relationship obviously changes from that point on, that would be a good point to bring about the triangle plot and the perfect springboard for this DTV.

As for Lois and the secret identity stuff "Batman" refers to "Bruce Wayne" in the third person. He refers to him self as if he where someone else, Lois could have easily been doing the same thing with Clark at the Daily Planet choosing her words carefully and effectively with Only Clark and Lois understanding all the subtle meaning. I liked Lois's conversations with Superman and Clark in JLU, I never thought they where indicative that she knew or didn't know, so whatever happens in the DTV with the secret I doubt it will disrupt continuity very much.


Well put. I'm really excited to see this, especially since it seems to be catering to exactly the kind of S:TAS DTV I would have asked for five years ago. Luthor and Brainiac are great characters and for all the hoop-la over the Cadmus arc on JLU, it really didn't do them any favors in terms of development. It was showy and fast and while I can't think of what kind of a new spin they could put on their relationship, I'm not expecting anything brilliant. In fact, my expectations are higher in terms of the Lois/Clark relationship. As you put it, there's no real proof in JL and JLU that Lois does or does not know...

...actually...there's the dream from Only a Dream, where Clark pictures his powers being revealed to an inquisitive Lois...so...yah...one tiny snag there...

...but overall, the story can go either way. Personally, I think I'd prefer to see Lois find out in the this movie, if only because I don't think JLU will end with her finding out. Of course, if she doesn't find out, at the very least, we'll have seen Clark attempt to woo her in a concrete way. That's all I really need.

I hope that the other WB actors are back for this project though. Recasting Jimmy or Brainiac would prove really fatal, though. I've never watched Batwoman again since buying it because I can't stand the new voices (or much of the animation...or the story...but I digress).

So, okay. Now I'm nervous. All I need are the original designs, the original voice actors and a story worthy of Static Shock. Honestly, this doesn't have to be brilliant to please me. I just want me some L/C lovin' :)

What's the deal with this Capuzzi guy writing? Where was this information first posted? I'm looking at the superman homepage, and it doesn't mention anything about who is writing...

[Silly McGooses]

Corey Burton, the voice actor who portrays Brainiac in S:TAS and Justice League says he's not heard anything about the movie and didn't do the voice for it. Doesn't that suck. I have a feeling the movie is going to be lame.
If this turns out to be true, that will be terrible! Corey's voice is just synonymous with Braniac to me. At least it won't be too bad for the character, continuity-wise, if he sounds different because he is a computer and can change his voice and what-not.

[Stu]

What's the deal with this Capuzzi guy writing? Where was this information first posted? I'm looking at the superman homepage, and it doesn't mention anything about who is writing...

He was the one who originally announced that the project was in production if I recall. Given how he wrote the excellent The Batman Vs Dracula DTV, and the awesome Curt Geda is directing, I'm not too worried about this at all.

Corey Burton, however, shouldn't be subjected to the insiped recasting that Paul Williams was, however. The man is Brainiac, and has been for 10 years. There's no reason to replace him.

[DerekPowers]

Where did you hear that? Are you personally involved with Corey?

Also, while I'm asking questions, do we have any idea who the writing and animating team is?


Well, apparently Duane Capizzi wrote it. he wrote "The Batman vs. Dracula", and is a writer and i believe a producer on "The Batman". we've had some interesting disussions about this like a week ago or so.

anyway, i dont think there is any word yet on who animated it, but Curt Geda is the director.

Anyway, if that is true about Corey Burton not doing the voice, that would suck. Can anyone else back up Rorschach's claim? Rorschach, where'd you hear that?

How strange too, since comparissons to MOTB have already been poping up on this thread, and now, if its true, a major villian, who's voice was perfect for the character, has been recast for no good reason.

But i'm going to wait to hear if thats true. I mean, that CANT happen again, like why would they not get him? It makes no sense, so im not believing a thing untill its official.

peace.

[DisneyBoy]

I'd feel the same way if not for what happened to Bane and Penguin in Batwoman. I mean, they got Batgirl's voice actress back for pity's sake...and all she has was a cameo!

I've always trusted the DCAU to keep the quality high, but I've seen and felt a dip these last few years. Which isn't to say I'm nervous about this picture. As long as the story's decent and the animation is well done, I'll have a lot to smile about! Lois and Clark! YAY! That was the one thing always missing from the series, and now, hopefully, we'll get to see them trying to find their way to each other. Nice. I'm honestly still shocked this is a S:TAS project at all...! Yesterday when I came across this thread I was like... "HUN!?!? No way...don't believe it...this isn't true..." and spent most of today with that promo image lingering in the back of my head like a big old question mark. At least they've got the two lead voice actors back. At least the designs are still there. That will keep me happy...

...but even as I type that, memories of Batwoman creep in and I find myself getting queasy. That film was not good. I don't want this one to flop. Promo images ALWAYS look pretty, even if the end result is garbage. I'm excited for this one, but I may wait a day or two before picking it up, just so I can see what's being said around here.

I honestly can't see how they'd leave Corey Burton and Clancy Brown out of this. I mean, yes, they're contributing to JLU, but voice recordings don't take weeks to do. One day, two, tops. They should be free to do this project.

They'd better be in it.

*nervous, happy, and still not convinced it's all real*

[BlueRocketBoy]

Losing the original voice actor for Brainiac would not be cool, but losing Clancy Brown as Lex Luthor would be unacceptable.

[rmarti3926]

I'm glad Tim Daly is back as Supes, but I rather prefer George Newbern anytime.

[dlb]

Losing the original voice actor for Brainiac would not be cool, but losing Clancy Brown as Lex Luthor would be unacceptable.

Losing either would be unacceptable in my book. I hope this turns out to be an unfounded rumour, I can't picture anyone else as Brainiac.

[Azbatz]

I think the reason George Newbern not in this is due with it taking place before JL/JLU. I may be the only one who likes both voices the same?

I'm hoping for a traditional story, much like the first two Superman movies and so far that's what I think will get. I'll refuse to buy this if they duck out on Burton or Brown. At the very least they need to reunite the four main lead actors for this.

[Simpler Simon]

Eh we've lost Corey Burton before...somewhat. His performance in the static shock crossover was so electronically pitched down that his trademark coldness was lost completely. I could see someone else pulling off a decent HAL-impersonation, but Burton would've added that DCAU authenticity.

The only person whom I'd accept as a Clancy Brown replacement would be the guy who voiced Derek Powers on Batman Beyond (he was the original choice for Luthor). But really if you're not going to keep the core actors, why even bother to animate this close to the STAS style?

[John Cage]

Corey Burton, the voice actor who portrays Brainiac in S:TAS and Justice League says he's not heard anything about the movie and didn't do the voice for it. Doesn't that suck. I have a feeling the movie is going to be lame.

That's upsetting news. I credit a lot of what made Brainiac a great character to Corey Burton's portrayal -- the voice is very robotic, true, but there's still a lot of character there. I hope there's still a chance that Burton can get into the studio for the DTV, since he's one of my favorites.


Where did you hear that? Are you personally involved with Corey?

I'm going to take a guess and say the forum on Corey Burton's website http://www.coreyburton.com/. And calm down DisneyBoy -- you're getting way too wound up here.

Have a good day.
John Cage

[Stu]

...but even as I type that, memories of Batwoman creep in and I find myself getting queasy. That film was not good. I don't want this one to flop. Promo images ALWAYS look pretty, even if the end result is garbage. I'm excited for this one, but I may wait a day or two before picking it up, just so I can see what's being said around here.

Yeah, the film is being written by a great, writer who's previously proven the goods, Curt Geda is an outstanding director... this isn't some foolish attempt to make Superman 'fun', this sounds like it's going to be a great DTV. It's too early to compare it to Batwoman... I especially like this 12 strengths of Hercules story going round...

[DisneyBoy]

Quote:
Originally Posted by DisneyBoy
Where did you hear that? Are you personally involved with Corey?


I'm going to take a guess and say the forum on Corey Burton's website http://www.coreyburton.com/ (http://www.coreyburton.com/). And calm down DisneyBoy -- you're getting way too wound up here.

Say what now...? :confused: Look at my face...it's confused :anime: I'm not in the least bit "wound up", fear you not. I'd ask why you feel as though I'm getting "waaaay to wound up" but I'd be worried you'd think I was asking because you think I'm upset.

So you can see the pickle I'm in...

*runs around smiling at people, just to be clear that everything is fine*

EDIT: What's this about Hercules?

[Rorschach]

Anyway, if that is true about Corey Burton not doing the voice, that would suck. Can anyone else back up Rorschach's claim? Rorschach, where'd you hear that?

As others have pointed out, Corey has his own forum and answers questions. I thought for sure he'd be involved in a movie featuring Brainiac so I just asked him about the movie. He said if he did know details, he could not comment, but in this case he's not involved in the project at all and said he knows nothing about it and isn't doing the voice of Brainiac.

I have no idea why they would re-cast the role. I suppose it is to distance the project from Bruce Timm's efforts and establish a separate identity. But then I think, why cast Tim Daly and Dana Delany if that was the case?

I'm hoping for the best. I have not liked "The Batman" but have seen every episode anyway. I didn't care too much for "The Batman vs. Dracula" either. I think Bruce Timm would make a better movie. Look at "Mask of the Phantasm" or "Sub-Zero" -- far superior to any live-action Batman movie.

The script for "Superman Returns" is just so-so and I think most fans will be disappointed. Timm and Company are the best with the DC Characters and I have to wonder why they don't just let that creative team write the Superman movies or the Batman movies. With all the CGI available now, all the great animated movies could have been made in live action. Think what a great live acton movie "Sub-Zero" would have been instead of "Batman and Robin" with the same cast, but different script?

So if Timm was making "Superman - Brainiac Attacks" -- I'm sure it would be one for the ages. But given what we know now, it's probably going to be forgettable.

[DisneyBoy]

I honestly can't believe they're not getting Corey as Brainiac. How dense can you BE? There's nothing more distracting and harmful to a film than recasting one of the most familiar and beloved characters...

...maybe they just haven't recorded the voices yet. Gahhh...I don't know what to think. Maybe Brainiac won't speak? Yah...sure...

[dlb]

As others have pointed out, Corey has his own forum and answers questions. I thought for sure he'd be involved in a movie featuring Brainiac so I just asked him about the movie. He said if he did know details, he could not comment, but in this case he's not involved in the project at all and said he knows nothing about it and isn't doing the voice of Brainiac.

I have no idea why they would re-cast the role. I suppose it is to distance the project from Bruce Timm's efforts and establish a separate identity. But then I think, why cast Tim Daly and Dana Delany if that was the case?

I'm hoping for the best. I have not liked "The Batman" but have seen every episode anyway. I didn't care too much for "The Batman vs. Dracula" either. I think Bruce Timm would make a better movie. Look at "Mask of the Phantasm" or "Sub-Zero" -- far superior to any live-action Batman movie.

The script for "Superman Returns" is just so-so and I think most fans will be disappointed. Timm and Company are the best with the DC Characters and I have to wonder why they don't just let that creative team write the Superman movies or the Batman movies. With all the CGI available now, all the great animated movies could have been made in live action. Think what a great live acton movie "Sub-Zero" would have been instead of "Batman and Robin" with the same cast, but different script?

So if Timm was making "Superman - Brainiac Attacks" -- I'm sure it would be one for the ages. But given what we know now, it's probably going to be forgettable.

Actually, I don't think Timm was involved with "Sub-Zero." Unless I'm mistaken that was Boyd Kirkland's baby.

BTW, I wouldn't dismiss the value project just yet. If it is indeed true that Mr. Burton is not voicing Brainiac it will be a blow against it, but it could turn out to be a good movie nonetheless. You say the script is so-so, but have you read the script? If so, your entitled to your opinion on it, but if not I'd say it would be best to wait until you've seen it before passing a judgement on it's quality.

[A.J]

Its funny how people can bash a film when its not even finished and not even know all details about it...:shrug:

[Silly McGooses]

I keep hearing people see that, and yet I have not seen a single person bash this movie. Everybody has been keeping a VERY open mind, even when expressing skepticism in some aspects of the movie.

[A.J]

I keep hearing people see that, and yet I have not seen a single person bash this movie. Everybody has been keeping a VERY open mind, even when expressing skepticism in some aspects of the movie.

Then I guess I dont know how to read...OR maybe you should read some of the latest post...how about this:

"So if Timm was making "Superman - Brainiac Attacks" -- I'm sure it would be one for the ages. But given what we know now, it's probably going to be forgettable"

I guess I am the one who is wrong then...

[Silly McGooses]

That's one post
And note the "probably"
He also says that he hopes for the best in the same post.

It is not being negative or closed-minded to prefer one filmmaker to another if their past work has appealed to you more.

[A.J]

That's one post
And note the "probably"
He also says that he hopes for the best in the same post.

It is not being negative or closed-minded to prefer one filmmaker to another if their past work has appealed to you more.

Maybe its ONE post, but you said there wasnt a SINGLE person who said something like that :p

[Silly McGooses]

^my mistake


The script for "Superman Returns" is just so-so and I think most fans will be disappointed.

Wait, not to get off-topic, but where did you read the script?

[DerekPowers]

You know people, i am so TIRED of people being like "blah blah blah, dont bash the film without seeing it" or sarcastic remarks like "oh, maybe they wont bash the film before they see it, imagine that" or things like that. Please, we can express ourselves any way we want. get off your high horse already.

and, btw, i agree w/ Silly McGooses. I havent really seen any "bashing", just logical predictions on how this film might turn out. And given the similarities to MOTB in how it was produced (ie, BT not being involved, Dini not being involved, Brainiac recast, etc), i think the skepticism is definately warrented.

Look, OBVIOUSLY it goes without saying that everyone here wants the film to be good. I think thats a given. We're all gonna buy it, and i'd rather own a good film than a bad one, you know. But we also arent idiots and know what signs are good signs for such a project and what signs are bad signs. And, imo, no Corey Burton = bad sign. No Bruce Timm = REALLY bad sign. Duane Capizzi = well, i want to be respectfull, but lets just say its not a good sign or its call for alarm.

So really, the people who are getting on their high horses and scolding us for "bashing" the movie are really scolding us for using our brains and drawing logical conclusions based on what we know right now. I havent seen anyone flat out bash the film, or flame it or anything like that. All we're doing is speculating on how the film might turn out based on what we know about its production, and based on what we know about the past DCAU movie's productions.

That being said, this Corey Burton news is very upsetting. You'd think theyd have learnt a thing or two from Batwoman, but oh well. Again, we all hope it'll be good, but as someone with half a brain, i'm alittle concerned, okay, i'm concerned. peace.

[Duke]

Considering that this is supposed to be released alongside the DVD of Superman Returns (I'm guessing November), wouldn't they still be writing the story? Have Tim Daly and Dana Delany even started their recordings yet? Wouldn't they start sometime in late March/early April?

[Bucho]

The audio was recorded last summer. This feature is in post production already. Brainiac isn't the only one who was recast.

[Trevor Balena]

Brainiac isn't the only one who was recast.

Oy.

[DisneyBoy]

Bucho...who are you? Please don't be saying this if don't know for sure that it's the truth because my hopes are being dashed with every syllable.

And no...I'm not bashing the film. Thanks to Derek for his articulate post on the freedom of expression. I think you brought some perspective to this thread.

[BoyScout]

You know people, i am so TIRED of people being like "blah blah blah, dont bash the film without seeing it" or sarcastic remarks like "oh, maybe they wont bash the film before they see it, imagine that" or things like that. Please, we can express ourselves any way we want. get off your high horse already.

You make a point and all. I don't mind if people discuss what flaws might come out of a movie they haven't seen yet. It may be fun and sometimes people like too vent their frustration (I understand)...but still?...its kinda like having a huge discussion about God or something. At the end of the day its just speculation and your never really gonna know the awnsers till you see it (or him) :P

I usualy wait till I watch the film before I start making comments about it. (I assure you I will pick it part) But thats just me....do what you want, your here to express your throughts...and have the right to do so.

but if anyone has a problem with what I just said
maybe we can take it ourside

hehehe

Cheers

[DisneyBoy]

I also think there's something to be gained from going into a film with reasonable expectations. Honestly, when I heard about this project, I was pretty gosh darn shocked and thrilled. It didn't have to be amazing...I was going to be happy with it based on what I thought I knew about the project...the story would be good (the Lois and Clark romance always pleases me) and the voice actors would be back. I figured the mentionning of Tim Daly and Dana Delaney was highlighted because it would be taken for granted that the villains voices would be back as well, given their prominance on JLU to this day.

Now that I know that not all the original voices will be back, I can lower my expectations (to the ground) and try to go in with an open mind. Otherwise I'd be pretty angry while watching the DVD that Brainiac and Luthor sounded totally different.

[Rorschach]

You say the script is so-so, but have you read the script? If so, your entitled to your opinion on it, but if not I'd say it would be best to wait until you've seen it before passing a judgement on it's quality.

I've read the shooting script for "Superman Returns" and my opinion of it is based on that. I have not read the script for "Superman: Brainiac Attacks." My opinion of "Superman: Brainiac Attacks" is based on the production team's previous efforts, i.e., the writing/producton track record of "The Batman" TV show and the "Batman versus Dracula" DVD. Very likely the movie will be of similar quality writing and visual style. The major re-casting of voice talent can't be a good indication to me IMHO. The best predictor of future behavior is past behavior. I'm anticipating a mediocre movie.

If it's a great movie, I'll gladly eat my words and banish myself to limbo.

[S.C.B]

Oy.

Agreed.

Maybe they want Lex to sound like Kevin Spacey... and Micheal Rosenbaum does an excellent Kevin Spacey (not to mention Lex Luthor, but he may not know who that is*IRONY*IRONY*).


Very likely the movie will be of similar quality writing and visual style.

Well, I can't say much about the writing (I haven't seen much of The Batman), but we know for a fact it's not going to be a similar visual style.

[Trevor Balena]

Maybe they want Lex to sound like Kevin Spacey... and Micheal Rosenbaum does an excellent Kevin Spacey (not to mention Lex Luthor, but he may not know who that is*IRONY*IRONY*).

Hmm. I suppose, but then why recast Brainiac, who, to my knowledge (and don't tell me if I'm wrong!) isn't going to be in Superman Returns?

These recasting decisions rarely make any sense. It's not like there was some Batman vs. The Penguin: Bane of My Existance movie in the works when they gave Paul Williams and Henry Silva the boot.

[DerekPowers]

first of all i dont think its confirmed at all whether or not other characters have been recast. Right now we know only Brainiac has been, and we're relying on second hand information (i supose if i really wanted to confirm it myself, i could go to corey burtons website, but i trust the posters here. They've always been relieable). I dont see any indication that Luthor has been recast, and i cant imagine the creative team would do such a thing. IMO Clancy Brown has earned his place in the DCAU, up there with Hammil and Conroy. He is irreplacable.

Anyway, if im not mistaken this dtv is scheduled to be released this spring, so whoever it was that said its supose to be released along side the Superman returns dvd is wrong. just look through this thread, its all in here. peace.

[Rebis]

As others have pointed out, Corey has his own forum and answers questions. I thought for sure he'd be involved in a movie featuring Brainiac so I just asked him about the movie. He said if he did know details, he could not comment, but in this case he's not involved in the project at all and said he knows nothing about it and isn't doing the voice of Brainiac...
Rorschach, what's the name of the topic of this post on Corey Burton's message board (http://www.coreyburton.com/message.html)? I've cased his site and can't find anything. Would be curious to read what he has to say.
Thanks!

[DisneyBoy]

I just posted a message on his board asking if he wasn't involved in the production, just to be 100% clear on it.

[dlb]

I've read the shooting script for "Superman Returns" and my opinion of it is based on that. I have not read the script for "Superman: Brainiac Attacks." My opinion of "Superman: Brainiac Attacks" is based on the production team's previous efforts, i.e., the writing/producton track record of "The Batman" TV show and the "Batman versus Dracula" DVD. Very likely the movie will be of similar quality writing and visual style. The major re-casting of voice talent can't be a good indication to me IMHO. The best predictor of future behavior is past behavior. I'm anticipating a mediocre movie.

If it's a great movie, I'll gladly eat my words and banish myself to limbo.

My bad, I got my wires crossed on the two Superman projects you were discussing there.

[Rorschach]

Rorschach, what's the name of the topic of this post on Corey Burton's message board (http://www.coreyburton.com/message.html)? I've cased his site and can't find anything. Would be curious to read what he has to say.
Thanks!

I went back there to cut/paste it, and the message has been removed. That's very strange. I paraprhased it pretty close in my message here, but the evidence is gone. Maybe google caches that site or perhaps someone can point me to the site that retains the data.

There's another question there dated yesterday and the response indicates the message was there at one point.

So, now the question is, why has Corey removed it? The entire issue is open at this point.


Well, I can't say much about the writing (I haven't seen much of The Batman), but we know for a fact it's not going to be a similar visual style.

How do we know that?

But to go back to my opinion that past performance is the best indicator of future performance...

Look at how well done the present Justice League Unlimited is? Every voice actor seems to be a perfect fit for the role. The writing is stellar, and the visual style is very distinctive and perfect for the material. In short, the show has brought comic book material to life as a true art form. It's a rare combination of people that know the material and write for the audience of comic fans yet appeal to a wide audience. The care and attention to detail in JLU is unsurpassed.

As fans, it's hard to imagine any better effort by another creative team. Since we have a lot of "The Batman" episodes to judge and the same people are making the new movie, I think it's a fair statement to opine the new movie will be of a quality and style we've seen from their past efforts.

[Toddman]

Anyway, if im not mistaken this dtv is scheduled to be released this spring, so whoever it was that said its supose to be released along side the Superman returns dvd is wrong. just look through this thread, its all in here. peace.

The only posts in this thread that discuss the release date of the dtv are pure speculation. And most of the logical speculation points to the dtv hitting the streets at the same time as the theatrical release of Superman Returns (which would be around June 30th), or the DVD release of Superman Returns (which would be Oct/Nov). I don't think there's been any statements regarding a Spring release.


And here's hoping the other re-cast (if there is one) is Perry White (and not Lex Luthor.....).


Toddman

[Duke]

The only posts in this thread that discuss the release date of the dtv are pure speculation. And most of the logical speculation points to the dtv hitting the streets at the same time as the theatrical release of Superman Returns (which would be around June 30th), or the DVD release of Superman Returns (which would be Oct/Nov). I don't think there's been any statements regarding a Spring release.
Well, the TV Guide reports that it will be out before the end of the year, which led me to believe Oct/Nov.

[Bucho]

Since we have a lot of "The Batman" episodes to judge and the same people are making the new movie, I think it's a fair statement to opine the new movie will be of a quality and style we've seen from their past efforts.

Just because the writer/producer of "The Batman" worked on this doesn't mean the entire crew from that show did as well. I don't think Geda ever worked on "The Batman". There are also many storyboard artists on this project that never worked on that show. So to say this DTV is by "the same people" isn't correct. Also, the dtv is done in STAS style so it isn't going to look anything like "The Batman".

[A.J]

STAS was a b.t and crew creation. I want bruce timm and company to produce this new DTV STAS movie!!!! Now, I know thats only what I want, and so most of the members here, so dont blame me for express my desires about this movie :p

[psifreek28]

even if Bruce isnt doing this, im sure curt and co. have run it through him what the general story is...and he works them through it...or im sure Curt takes into account JLU and the happenings on there.

They arnt dumb, they know that alot of people who will be seeing this DTV will be the majority of ppl who also watch JLU...so it cant be a direct smack in the face.

[MacGyver]

even if Bruce isnt doing this, im sure curt and co. have run it through him what the general story is...and he works them through it...or im sure Curt takes into account JLU and the happenings on there.

They arnt dumb, they know that alot of people who will be seeing this DTV will be the majority of ppl who also watch JLU...so it cant be a direct smack in the face.

I wouldn't doubt it. I mean Paul Dini was consulted on MOTB. Granted, it was a trainwreck, but this won't be by entirely the same people. So I still have faith.

The fact that there may be recasting does trouble me a bit though. I find the idea of anyone else playing Luthor, Perry, Jimmy, or even Maggie Sawyer (if she appears) troubling. I didn't notice the fact that Mercy was played by someone else in the Superman Shadows of Apokolips video game, so her being recast would be fine. I also wouldn't doubt it it whoever was playing Hamilton in JLU was voicing him in the film, if he appears. Could the recasting be a bad thing? Yes. Should we all begin to lose all faith? No. Let's just play it by ear, and see how it goes.

And Bucho, if you could shine any more light on this, I'm sure everyone here would appreciate it.

[DerekPowers]

The only posts in this thread that discuss the release date of the dtv are pure speculation. And most of the logical speculation points to the dtv hitting the streets at the same time as the theatrical release of Superman Returns (which would be around June 30th), or the DVD release of Superman Returns (which would be Oct/Nov). I don't think there's been any statements regarding a Spring release.


And here's hoping the other re-cast (if there is one) is Perry White (and not Lex Luthor.....).


Toddman
hmmm, i may have confussed this w/ the STAS vol 3 release. But i could have sworn it was originally going to be released before the Superman Returns movie. hmmm, i guess i might have miss-interpreted things...but i hope it comes out before SR. to be honest, as skeptical as i am about this project, i'm definately looking foward to it as much if not more than Superman returns...(ah, Lois Lane is not 19 :sad: , although Supes does look mighty fine in those tights :eek: )

anyway, where is all this talk about a second voice recast coming from?

[Cortez2301]

Will it be given a PG-13 rating?

[A.J]

I highly anticipate this STAS DTV. I cant believe they are going back to STAS and give us a movie! I dont expect anything at all. Anything bad, anything good. I dont expect continuity, I dont expect it to be better than MOTP. I dont expect all the voices to be the same than STAS and I dont expect another "Legacy". However, I do want it to be fun and full of surprises. I just want to watch the darn movie, enjoy it as much as I can and then you will have me here to discuss it :D

[DisneyBoy]

Here's what Corey himself posted in response to my questions about his involvement with the movie over at http://www.coreyburton.com/message.html...


: ...Given that the character is being used so prominantly in the feature that his name is included in the title...

It does seem most likely that this project is one that may have been based directly on older DC comic book content, which (I figure) uses mostly "alternate" voice casting - to clearly set the tone apart from the successful WB TV series "design palette" of the past couple of decades. But I can't (or shouldn't) say anything more.

That top part was a quote from something I'd written, and the bottom is what he had to say about it. Pretty cryptic, but then again, it does imply that he's not involved. I'm going to post that promo art as a response to this and see what reaction he gives it, if any...

...I hate to think Corey's finding out from the fans that he got the shaft on this one...

[Silly McGooses]

I really don't understand what he's saying there, but it does sound like a cryptic "no".

[DisneyBoy]

And here we have Corey's response, which seems to clearly indicate that he's likely not in the loop on this project, unless WB really did record the dialogue from the S:TAS days and it's been in storage for quite some time...

Of course you probably know that movie posters, lobby cards, and other promotional material often has nothing to do with any actual scenes from the film - generally designed and distributed by a completely 'detached' group of people. With Tim and Dana's involvement, it is even possible that this production's dialogue was assembled from the original "Superman: The Animated Series" episodes - having not encountered either of them at WB Animation in several years. ...I have no idea.

I can understand why Corey might think they haven't been around WB (they might have been recording at different times, etc) but since Dana's lent her voice to Lois a number of times on JL/JLU, I think it's safe to assume that Corey simply isn't a part of this film. I can't picture WB sneaking in the dialogue to a movie script and not telling their actor that that was what it was for, instead of an ordinary episode.

[Trevor Balena]

I can't picture WB sneaking in the dialogue to a movie script and not telling their actor that that was what it was for, instead of an ordinary episode.

Yeah, that wouldn't be possible. He'd have to be paid, wouldn't he? If he got paid years ago for recording a voice for a Superman movie, surely he'd remember...

[Silly McGooses]

Could it be possible that Braniac doesn't speak in this movie?

[DisneyBoy]

It's possible...but would be really, REALLY hard to get away with given he's the antagonist mentionned in the title.

Now, is there any way Bucho could give us just a little bit more of a an explanation as far as his insider status is concerned? If you're one of those people whose info is complete fact, I think we'd all be able to put at least some speculations to rest...

...not to put you in the limelight, though.

[Christophe]

That sux for Corey, totally.

one question. That poster we've been seeing? It looks DCU style? So how is it closer to the "The Batman" style?

[DisneyBoy]

It looks to be in the S:TAS style, but since there's a The Batman writer working on this, and no mention of which studio is handling the animation, rumors are starting it may have more of a The Batman flair...

...I think that's unfounded.

[Bird Boy]

...I think that's unfounded.

Considering a writer doesn't dictate style (which is Timm's) or animation studio (The Batman has used the same ones as JLU), yeah, it's unfounded. :p

Seriously guys, calm down, theres no big deal going on with this DTV. Theres so little info to go on at this point, speculating on this now is just gonna get everyone in a tizzy.

I mean speculate all you want, but please stop with the "OMG nooo Capizzi is The Batman grr." Geda's directing and who else knows who is on it. Considering how early it is for this DTV, it's very hard to get any solid details out on it. WB is mum.

-BB

[RedAnkleSausage]

I heard that they got Lance Henrikson to voice of Brainiac. And Birthday shout out to Bucho. Happy birthday Bucho. You are there.

[MacGyver]

So... who's Lance Henrikson?

[RedAnkleSausage]

He was Bishop in ALIENS. Go to IMDB.com and search his name. I may have misspelled his last name. He's got a whiskey voice and eye you want to touch.