Superman

[The New Batman]

Is it just me or is Superman totally useless, weak and sound like a wuss in this cartoon? I mean, the all powerful Superman getting knocked out by a few depth charges. There wasn't even kryptonite in those charges he was out cold. His voice also sounds like he's sort of a "nerdy do-gooder." Not as commanding as Tim Daly. Tim Daly's best performance was in "A Fish Story." He sounded very commanding in that episode.

In conclusion, Superman was a lot better in Superman TAS.

[Naraht]

Originally posted by The New Batman
Is it just me or is Superman totally useless, weak and sound like a wuss in this cartoon? He was a lot better in Superman TAS.

You would rather him be the unstopable ubergod of the comics, thus making everyone else useless?

[matta2fatta]

nahrat has a good point

[The Green Hornet]

no but i for one wouldnt mind seeing supes actually get some good licks in on an opponent before hes blasted a few miles away or knocked out

[The Guard]

I recall them beating the heck out of the Atlanteans before the depth charges...

[Ricochet]

Well, he does sound very whiny...

[Batman 80]

He also did a number on the Manhunters as well. You are will see how tough Superman is when he's forced to fight against Mongul(who in my opinion is a better fighter than Darkseid).

[Ricochet]

Originally posted by hot rod
...fight against Mongul(who in my opinion is a better fighter than Darkseid).

Amen.

[Naraht]

Originally posted by matta2fatta
nahrat has a good point

hrm..that's a new one, adds it to the list after Narath, Narhat, and narahat.


=]

Don't worry about it, happens all the time.

[BeastBoyWonder]

yeah, superman is still a little too powerful. When you're dealing with such a powerful character with so few weaknesses, it seems that those weaknesses are exploited all the time, making the show weaker. For example, Supes almost always gets hit with laser beams, gets electrecuted, is exposed to kryptonite, or has a bomb blow up in his face.

[BWDK]

Well I really hate Superman's new look and voice, but that's all I have to complain about.

[Arachkid]

I think Superman would seem more useful on the show if he weren't in every episode. The problem is that having him in every story forces the writers to do something with him, even when he's not particularly needed.

"The Enemy Below", for example, could have done without the Man of Steel, since he didn't really do anything that couldn't have been handled by Wonder Woman or J'Onn, who both ended up with very little to do as well.

So far, Metropolis has turned up as a setting in 2 of the 3 stories we've seen on JL, as though the writers are trying very hard to justify Superman's inclusion. Yet, not having Batman around all the time makes him seem a lot more necessary when he does show up. It seems to me that Superman could probably benefit from a similar strategy, so that when the JL calls their biggest gun in, it's because they really need him.

[Batman 80]

I don't mind seeing Superman in every episode. After all he is the leader.

[Arachkid]

I know he's supposed to be the leader of the team, but with 6 other heroes all sharing the spotlight with him, it just makes sense to me to let him sit out every so often.

Besides, who's going to watch Metropolis if he's having an iced mocha with Diana on the satellite? ;)

[Batman 80]

LOL!

[Arachkid]

:D

[Maxie Zeus]

Originally posted by hot rod
I don't mind seeing Superman in every episode. After all he is the leader.

And he has to be on hand to apologize for intruding. :p

[Batman 80]

LOL! I hear that.

[Arachkid]

And somebody's gotta be the one to get electrocuted and pass out every episode! :p

[The Mad Hatter]

Supes won't be in every episode. The Etrigan episode will only have Bats and J'onn, while the Gorilla Grodd episode will only have GL and Flash. i'm sure there are others he won't be in.

[kid_flash]

Where'd ya hear that, Hatter? I knew Flash and GL would be the focus of the Grodd ep, but I don't remember hearing they'd be the only ones in it. Same goes for Bats and J'onn (which is a team-up I'll take any day of the week) in the Etrigan ep.

[BeastBoyWonder]

J'onn and Bats are my favorite JLers, i'd love to see 'em team up. And as for supes, if he says "I apologize for the intrusion" one more time, i'm gonna smack him.

[Batman 80]

Kid Flash go here and read towards the bottom.
http://forums.toonzone.net/showthread.php?s=threadid=14556

[DerekPowers]

i agree. while supe's new voice isnt all that bad and has kind of grown on me already, it is kind of nerdy. plus supes dialogue is alittle dorky to begin with.

[MattL.]

I'm hoping that the Superman centered ep where he fights Mongul will give him a real chance to shine with as much dignity as Green Lantern and Aquaman have gotten.

In the JL context Superman is kind of like a combination of Jean-Luc Picard and John Wayne. I think they need to work on better dialog for his diplomat moments and actually show more of that two-fisted side like they did in Superman TAS.

[Naraht]

Originally posted by MattL.
I'm hoping that the Superman centered ep where he fights Mongul will give him a real chance to shine with as much dignity as Green Lantern and Aquaman have gotten.

Cept Aquaman isn't a JLer, and GL is a goober in this version...



In the JL context Superman is kind of like a combination of Jean-Luc Picard and John Wayne. I think they need to work on better dialog for his diplomat moments and actually show more of that two-fisted side like they did in Superman TAS.
They did that already in Star Trek, his name was Sisko, Ben Sisko!

Then they re-did it, Jonathan Archer...

[MattL.]

"Gl is a goober"

Uh, yeah. Whatever dude.

and I wasn't talking about wether or not they did it in Star Trek, I was talking about JL. The fact that Aquaman isn't a JL member is beside the point. The fact is they centered two episodes on him and like with GL he really shone has a character.

I think the Mongul ep will do the same for Superman.

[Naraht]

Originally posted by MattL.
"Gl is a goober"

Uh, yeah. Whatever dude.

and I wasn't talking about wether or not they did it in Star Trek, I was talking about JL. The fact that Aquaman isn't a JL member is beside the point. The fact is they centered two episodes on him and like with GL he really shone has a character.

I think the Mongul ep will do the same for Superman.

He can make anything with his ring, and what does he do? Beam/Wall/Bubble. That's it. Add in a bad attitude & you've got GL.

[MattL.]

Oh god this issue again. :rolleyes:

The show has not established that the ring "can do anything" and frankly I hope that it *is* limited because I see nothing wrong with a GL ring that can't create boxing gloves and mecha.

Lazer beams and force feilds are pretty damn effective in battle.

[Naraht]

Originally posted by MattL.
Oh god this issue again. :rolleyes:

The show has not established that the ring "can do anything" and frankly I hope that it *is* limited because I see nothing wrong with a GL ring that can't create boxing gloves and mecha.

Lazer beams and force feilds are pretty damn effective in battle.

Just cause you want superman to be the ubergod DC has made him, doesn't mean I do!!! But enough..we disagree, and if we continue this argument the moderator type people will flog us with wet noodles or make us watch campy 70s Batman episodes....

[Maxie Zeus]

Okay, time to calm down. Keep it civil, or we'll have to close things down.

[MattL.]

How does my being okay with the ring being limited mean I want Superman to be an ubergod?

If you've read any of my posts on this board, you'll note that I said the god like approach to Superman is fine in the films and Elliot S. Maggin stories but the more demi-god powered Superman is better for the animated series.

Besides how is a ring that can do anything any more or less ridiculous than Superman being an uber-god? So its okay for GL to be an Uber-god but not Superman?

[The Mad Hatter]

Okay, I don't like where this is headed. Debates are fine, just not when they get emotional. Especially not after one other moderator just said to calm down a few minutes ago...