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The Landstander
07-09-2005, 10:59 PM
You don't want to MHZ this one!

hahahahahahaha

Youko Recca
07-09-2005, 11:15 PM
You don't have to subject yourself to reading these!

Lord Dalek
07-10-2005, 12:29 AM
Now it gets really weird.

li_mangaman
07-10-2005, 12:55 AM
Could it stand for something?

jethrek
07-10-2005, 12:59 AM
Could it stand for something?
Yeppers! It stands for


...


wait for it

...

Megahertz

jethrek
07-10-2005, 01:21 AM
And it all goes to hell...

Sailor Namek
07-10-2005, 01:26 AM
freakiness... @_@

Railith
07-10-2005, 01:27 AM
Pirate radio warns you of rollerblading magic baseball bat kids.

What was with the old people thing or are they just f***ing with me?

SirLemming
07-10-2005, 01:28 AM
Cops off the case --> ability to solve the case increases 150%

Even though this episode was a lot more confusing than episodes 3-5, the plot seemed more substantial. The show is certainly gaining my interest again.


Oh, and also, I've figured out that Miromi must have something to do with Boohbah. Which means, yes, she is from Hell.

The Landstander
07-10-2005, 01:28 AM
I knew that kid was a phony. NERD

Great ep...though I'm a bit confused as to why Lil' Faker was killed instead of just hurt.

Though I have no doubt it'll get explained in time.....well not explained but you know what I mean.

Tea
07-10-2005, 01:29 AM
This ep reminded me a lot of Serial Experiments: Lain. Talk about surreal..

I think it's safe to say the old man is the main operator of this conspiracy.

What was that machine the detective was madly rambling into? A radio? It makes you wonder how long he has been doing this. And if he is ironically the main reason Li'l Slugger is spreading.

Youko Recca
07-10-2005, 01:29 AM
Surprise, another awesome ending for the show. This episode seems to cover a more basic day in the lives of the detectives, so maybe it's not as...catching or diverse as the other episodes. But it leads up to the ending, and the ending is good.

Solitude1
07-10-2005, 01:29 AM
Wtf

li_mangaman
07-10-2005, 01:29 AM
Megahertz
D'oh! I'm used to Mhz.

Anyway the cigarettes are some kind of theme I think:
"'...detectives instinct' *Flashes to Cigaretters named hope.*"

Hmmmm Could that uh partner-detective guy be Slugger? Or one of sluggers AGENTS? Confusion...

Kino
07-10-2005, 01:33 AM
Rookie cop's big secret is that he operates a pirate radio station. So that's it? Or is the revelation more general; since Rookie helps perpetuate the Lil' Slugger mythos, is he the one that should be held responsible for Lil Slugger's rampage? Or does it have more to do with the old man? :confused:

MegaJ
07-10-2005, 01:37 AM
This show likes to answer questions with questions.

The Gunnshuu
07-10-2005, 01:41 AM
I absolutely loved the visual style of this episode. The color scheme gave off a droning, depressing tone, and the extensive use of close-ups made it extremely claustrophobic. Completely riveting. Best episode yet.

The Landstander
07-10-2005, 01:42 AM
Yeah, I noticed that too. The close up of Lil' Faker was :cool:.

And the whiteness of the dream sequences were a nice contrast.

Tygger Redclaw
07-10-2005, 01:47 AM
Just when I thought I was starting to understand this show, an episode like this comes along.

I was hoping that the detective would be one of the few sane characters in this show. It looks like I was wrong. :shrug:

Behonkiss
07-10-2005, 01:55 AM
This was the last episode I got to see after buying Vol. 2 on DVD two weeks ago, and I almost wish I hadn't. It's still tough waiting for next week.

Obviously, a bit more has been revealed about Lil' Slugger here. For one, he means business now. I'm completely stumped as to why he didn't just give Kozuka his normal whack, show himself to the cops, then skate away. Kozuka was cornered because the older detective still believed he was the real deal; Lil' Slugger whacking him would have freed him. What is killing him supposed to accomplish for anyone? (My best guess is that maybe we'll find out more about Kozuka in future episodes, and find out that he had a serious, incurable problem.)

Either that, or whoever is behind this (Old Man? Maromi? Someone else?) decided drastic action had to be taken in order to get the detectives off the case, so they wouldn't be caught. Whoever is in charge of Lil' Slugger (Or if he's working alone) can no longer be viewed as a mysterious hero who just wants to help; they've got some sort of agenda.

And the detectives; will we be seeing them again? This case has seemingly ruined them, but we're only halfway done with the show. Are we going to go back to characters of the week and not see them any more?

My God, I love this show. So damn much.

sedorna
07-10-2005, 02:09 AM
Obviously, a bit more has been revealed about Lil' Slugger here. For one, he means business now. I'm completely stumped as to why he didn't just give Kozuka his normal whack, show himself to the cops, then skate away. Kozuka was cornered because the older detective still believed he was the real deal; Lil' Slugger whacking him would have freed him. What is killing him supposed to accomplish for anyone? (My best guess is that maybe we'll find out more about Kozuka in future episodes, and find out that he had a serious, incurable problem.)

So far, Li'l Slugger gives people what they want, right? We'll ignore Tsukiko, Ushi, and the scummy cop, because they don't count.

Ichi wanted to be free of people thinking he was Li'l Slugger. The reporter didn't want to deal with the old man he put in the hospital. Harumi wanted to be free of Maria. Taeko wanted to forget her father was sexually attracted to her. They all got what they wanted. Granted, their underlying problems are still there. Heck, by giving them what they wanted, Li'l Slugger prevented them from getting what they needed.

What about Kozuka, then? Did he want to die? Maybe, but if you'll remember, when he begged for help, he was in Holy Warrior mode. That leads me to believe that he was the Holy Warrior. His confession was merely a temporary return to reality and, at the end, he did believe that he was the Holy Warrior. A Holy Warrior in a video game, stuck with no way out. What do you do then you're stuck in a video game with no way out? Simple. You reset the game and start all over again from the last saved point. (Remember, he did mention saved points in episode 5.) One way to do that is to sit back and let your character be killed. Because he was the character, he had to let himself be killed so that he could go back to the saved point. And so, quite obligingly, Li'l Slugger gave him what he wanted and killed him.

PickHut
07-10-2005, 02:16 AM
Now that was one hell of a trip........ yeah, I can't think of anything else to say about this episode.

I give MHZ a B.

Mr_Millions
07-10-2005, 02:22 AM
Well, this episode was...interesting. I was suprised to find out that the younder detective was the voice in the promo... though I guess "Paranoia nurtures him" occurs later.

I must agree that this episode had echos of Lain, if only for the roomful of electronics and the policeman's daughter looking like Lain a bit. I hope this ends better. I don't know if I could handle another Lain/Big O. I wouldn't mind a "Twilight Zone" twist ending -- dun dun duuuun, fade to black -- just not an ending that pretends to resolve everything but in reality just presses a damn reset button .

Oh, who am I kidding? I'll love the show regardless. Darn you Paranoia Agent! You and your awesomeness!

herbkir
07-10-2005, 02:25 AM
It looks like Lil' Slugger has incidentally whacked both detectives without mussing a hair on their heads. And it was interesting how the younger one was running a pirate radio station. Or is it a ham radio setup? And how he was broadcasting that Lil' Slugger is still out there.

Just when I thought I had this show figured out, along comes this curve. Now I gotta see what comes next. (^_*)

jethrek
07-10-2005, 02:36 AM
This was the last episode I got to see after buying Vol. 2 on DVD two weeks ago, and I almost wish I hadn't. It's still tough waiting for next week.

Obviously, a bit more has been revealed about Lil' Slugger here. For one, he means business now. I'm completely stumped as to why he didn't just give Kozuka his normal whack, show himself to the cops, then skate away. Kozuka was cornered because the older detective still believed he was the real deal; Lil' Slugger whacking him would have freed him. What is killing him supposed to accomplish for anyone? (My best guess is that maybe we'll find out more about Kozuka in future episodes, and find out that he had a serious, incurable problem.)

Either that, or whoever is behind this (Old Man? Maromi? Someone else?) decided drastic action had to be taken in order to get the detectives off the case, so they wouldn't be caught. Whoever is in charge of Lil' Slugger (Or if he's working alone) can no longer be viewed as a mysterious hero who just wants to help; they've got some sort of agenda.

And the detectives; will we be seeing them again? This case has seemingly ruined them, but we're only halfway done with the show. Are we going to go back to characters of the week and not see them any more?

My God, I love this show. So damn much.
I'll be honest, the next few episodes spiral in all sorts of odd directions...and the series refocuses itself very suddenly for the last three episodes...


However, expect revelations on why Lil' Slugger did what he did next episode.

bluedeucedodge
07-10-2005, 02:41 AM
This episode was just plain weird. What the hell am I talking about, this whole series is weird. But it a good weird. I just love how this show pans out.

KingDead
07-10-2005, 02:45 AM
I wondered if the reason Kozuka died was tied into the old man's doppelganger magic trick - the episode was full of doubles (the early "nightmare" scene where the detective sees two of the old man, the intercut scenes between the detective and his future self rambling on the radio, the magic show and the Malkovich-Infinite-Feedback audience, and, of course, Kozuka and Lil' Slugger), and I bet the show wants you to remember the "shadow of a shadow" line too.

The double magic trick made me remember this article (http://www.discover.com/issues/jun-05/cover/) (you got to have a subscription to read the whole thing, couldn't find it elsewhere... sorry), which led me to this (http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/A4044755), tying into the wall trick. So the old man is a quantum physicist! That would explain all the chalk math...

Regarding Lain, she didn't just reset the world, she removed herself from time and history. But the two series are very similar, since both deal with society, technology, and the insability of reality.

EDIT: Actually, PA is remininding me more of Twin Peaks more than anything. Lil' Slugger is a kind of a Killer Bob.

dawnyoshi
07-10-2005, 04:31 AM
w...t...f? =/

All right. Now I had original ideas on what the concept of this show was. Then they caught Lil' Slugger, and that went down the drain. Now, like an ugly clog, my original beliefs are bubbling up again. Wow. Odd. Weird. Want to watch more.

Brent Long
07-10-2005, 04:48 AM
The edit list is up. Sorry for the delay.

Timmay
07-10-2005, 05:14 AM
Despite pissing me off just about every week I keep watching. Why? Cause I want to know what the hell is going on.

NewLib
07-10-2005, 11:59 AM
Im starting to have a feeling that Lil' Slugger just doesn't exist. He goes through a freaking wall at the end of the episode. He is a figment of people's imagination, he is an escape mechanism. Don't want to keep living the life you are living, blame Lil' Slugger. After the original girl invents the idea of a Lil' Slugger everyone takes hold of it and says "Hey this is how I can escape too!"

Thats just what I think.

Duke
07-10-2005, 12:11 PM
It's a damn shame this show isn't getting ratings, as it's one of, if not the best show on television right now.

Just when 3 or 4 possible conclusions have been wiped away, another 7 or 8 come by.

So, when do we meet the last person in the intro?

Master Moron
07-10-2005, 12:39 PM
I'm surprised no one mentioned that we finally got subtitles.

Anyway, I'm thinking maybe someone has figured out a way to use a radio to get onto the frequency of the human mind and is able to somehow make people think they see Little Slugger when he doesn't exist, but that's pretty far out...

Animeforever'04
07-10-2005, 01:02 PM
good lord the fake slugger sounded like Rex Raptor from yu-gi-oh:sweat:

Swordfish_II
07-10-2005, 01:16 PM
I'm surprised no one mentioned that we finally got subtitles.
Why were they done like they were, and not like the episode of Champloo with the gay Dutchman, and just hardsubbed from the DVD subs?

Mighty_Bojingo
07-10-2005, 02:13 PM
I think I've been cornered emotionally due to my extreme confusion. Shall I expect a slugger rushing up behind me? This whole freakin series confuses me far more then FLCL did.

First of all, what's the deal with the 'fantasy adventure' that the detectives 'conveniently' participates in. Normally, I'd think that those scenes are just visual descriptions of what the 'Holy Warrior' was talking about, but after everything that this show has been going through, I wouldn't rule out the possibility that all 3 of them got 'magically' transported to a fantasy land. Then there's the deal with that artist lady get knocked out of the chair completely out of no where. That looked more like a 'wack-from-an-invisible-baseball-bat' rather then a 'faint' to me.

Long story short, I have NO idea what the crap is going on. Are these 'theories' about the slugger 'helping people' and 'giving people what the want' true?

silvanoir
07-10-2005, 02:30 PM
Not only are the characters going crazy, this is one of the few episodes of a tv series that has made me feel like I'M going crazy.

I knew the younger detective roleplayed in his spare time, but I had no idea he was a complete looney. His dreams about the magic show were pretty damn weird.

And where was the fake little slugger's parents? that kid needed therapy to help him tell what was real and what wasn't, not to die!

I think the old man knows everything about what's going on, it's in his forumlas. Now I only wish I knew what was going on.

The Landstander
07-10-2005, 02:38 PM
Are these 'theories' about the slugger 'helping people' and 'giving people what the want' true?I haven't seen the full series, and thus don't know for sure, but really, look at the victims. Each one was at a point of near-insanity for whatever reason; Lil' Slugger comes along and attacks them, and in some odd way they're better because of it.

Timmay
07-10-2005, 02:58 PM
Why were they done like they were, and not like the episode of Champloo with the gay Dutchman, and just hardsubbed from the DVD subs?
The dutchman thing is the same way as the japanese version

Same voice and subtitles for when they speak in dutch

adoptedBatpuppy
07-10-2005, 03:01 PM
DO I DON'T UNDERSTAND THIS SHOW OR WHAT?
Who is the little slugger? That teacher? A boy, or this strange girl who talks to her stuffed pink puppy? Was'm all of these people attacked? Why was all the rage in this episode? Who was Taeko Sagi so angry at/with? and Why? I better stop asking questions before you guys ban me from coming on this forum! :sweat:

Swordfish_II
07-10-2005, 03:27 PM
The dutchman thing is the same way as the japanese version

Same voice and subtitles for when they speak in dutch
But the English subtitles looked liked the ones that would be on the DVD.

Holy Warrior
07-10-2005, 03:31 PM
Hello fellow anime lovers. I just started on this forum. and i wood like 2 say that THIS IS THE BEST ANIME EVER!!!!! i bought all the pa dvds yesterday, so i am gonna watch the rest of the series 2 anser my questions. I must agree with wat that dude said. this episode made me feel like i was going crazy. it made me shake and it got me a little depressed lol. i felt...paranoid.:D

Paul_Cousins
07-10-2005, 06:25 PM
o yea, wtf is a pirate radio station?Go rent the movie "Pump up the volume". :cool:

So the young cop is a obsessive borderline crazy who moonlights as a tinfoil-hat radio pirate DJ. Okay... :zim:

Good episode by the way.

Master Moron
07-10-2005, 07:58 PM
I hav a few ?'s. can u ppl tell me how 2 put a picture by my name and black it out wen i put in spoilers?

To put an avatar next to your name click on User CP. It's in the blue menu bar at the top of the forum, underneath the name of the forum.

Spoiler bars are done like this [ SPOILER ] [ /SPOILER ] just remove the spaces and put your message between them.

Lord Dalek
07-10-2005, 08:22 PM
So the young cop is a obsessive borderline crazy who moonlights as a tinfoil-hat radio pirate DJ. Okay... :zim:
Surprisingly, Maniwa is the saner of the two. :sweat:

Paul_Cousins
07-10-2005, 08:26 PM
Surprisingly, Maniwa is the saner of the two. :sweat:LOL!! :zim:

I am not exactly asking for spoilers, but which up coming episode do we learn about the old cop's 'vice'? ;)

And I am still confused as to the names of the cops? Which cop is which? :sweat:

Lord Dalek
07-10-2005, 08:41 PM
I am not exactly asking for spoilers, but which up coming episode do we learn about the old cop's 'vice'? ;) Episode #11


And I am still confused as to the names of the cops? Which cop is which? :sweat:Ikari = Older guy with mustache
Maniwa = Younger guy in blue jacket

Next week is probably the worst episode in the series but its still fun.

Paul_Cousins
07-10-2005, 09:39 PM
Episode #11

Ikari = Older guy with mustache
Maniwa = Younger guy in blue jacket

Next week is probably the worst episode in the series but its still fun.Okay, now onto a different part of the episode.

Was anyone else creeped out by those s***faced smiles the father and daughter had while sitting at that park bench? :sweat:

And what are their names?

Sandoz
07-10-2005, 09:41 PM
Another great episode. More mysteries are raised as others are solved. Interesting twist at the end; and here I thought Maniwa was going to be one of the more upbeat, well-adjusted characters. :p



EDIT: Actually, PA is remininding me more of Twin Peaks more than anything. Lil' Slugger is a kind of a Killer Bob. That's exactly what I was thinking. Kozuka's death even had a striking similarity to the Twin Peaks episode in which Leland Palmer, BOB's host, "commits suicide" in his jail cell. But then, there's something slightly Lynchian about all of Satoshi Kon's works.

Tash
07-10-2005, 10:27 PM
I've got it! There is no Lil' Slugger!
Everyone whacked themselves! They were all trapped, so they hit themselves and blamed it on lil' Slugger (who is a fictional character). The kid in the Jail Cell DID commit suicide, but he was murdered in the sence that he wouldn't have killed himself if it weren't for the fact that he knew that he could kill himself, and it wouldn't be his fault. That same goes for everyone. Tsukiko started it, so everyone knew that there was a serial whacker on the loose who could be their scapegoat. If there was no idea of lil' slugger, no one would have hit themselves. So, Lil' Slugger is just a symbol of a "Scapegoat". Lil's Slugger IS causing people to hit themselves.

Or that's what I think.

"It's not my fault"

Fresh V
07-10-2005, 10:38 PM
I've got it! There is no Lil' Slugger!
Everyone whacked themselves! They were all trapped, so they hit themselves and blamed it on lil' Slugger (who is a fictional character). The kid in the Jail Cell DID commit suicide, but he was murdered in the sence that he wouldn't have killed himself if it weren't for the fact that he knew that he could kill himself, and it wouldn't be his fault. That same goes for everyone. Tsukiko started it, so everyone knew that there was a serial whacker on the loose who could be their scapegoat. If there was no idea of lil' slugger, no one would have hit themselves. So, Lil' Slugger is just a symbol of a "Scapegoat". Lil's Slugger IS causing people to hit themselves.

Or that's what I think.

"It's not my fault"
But then how do you explain Lil' Slugger opening the jail cell and the fake one looking at him in fear as he murders him?

Tash
07-10-2005, 10:52 PM
But then how do you explain Lil' Slugger opening the jail cell and the fake one looking at him in fear as he murders him?For no reason other than throwing us off. I mean really, he can walk though walls, he wouldn't really NEED to open it. The same logic as showing lil' slugger hitting Tsukiko in the first episode.

Sandoz
07-11-2005, 05:52 AM
I've got it! There is no Lil' Slugger!
Everyone whacked themselves! They were all trapped, so they hit themselves and blamed it on lil' Slugger (who is a fictional character). The kid in the Jail Cell DID commit suicide, but he was murdered in the sence that he wouldn't have killed himself if it weren't for the fact that he knew that he could kill himself, and it wouldn't be his fault. That same goes for everyone. Tsukiko started it, so everyone knew that there was a serial whacker on the loose who could be their scapegoat. If there was no idea of lil' slugger, no one would have hit themselves. So, Lil' Slugger is just a symbol of a "Scapegoat". Lil's Slugger IS causing people to hit themselves.

Or that's what I think.

"It's not my fault" That doesn't sound too far off, but what about the two cops? They both saw the "real" Lil Slugger in the cell after he killed Kozuka...unless they really did fabricate the story in order to cover up their negligence.

This is the theory I've tried to piece together: Tsukiko, in a moment of desperation, injured herself to avoid her deadline and lied about being attacked by "Lil Slugger." She unwittingly tapped into something--a supernatural force or presence, perhaps--that took on the physical shape of her description (I don't think it's coincidence that her occupation is a character designer). He then attacks people who have been driven into a corner and "saves" them from their troubles, usually by becoming a scapegoat. ("This is all Lil Slugger's fault.") And, as was explained to us in "MHz" and the promos, Lil Slugger is "nurtured" by paranoia--he exists because people believe he exists, and will now continue to exist even after the death of the copycat (whom the public believes to be the real Lil Slugger) because the former cop has started to spread word over the radio that Lil Slugger is "still out there." Now he's becoming a real urban legend, and will be harder to stop.

Duke
07-11-2005, 08:00 AM
That doesn't sound too far off, but what about the two cops? They both saw the "real" Lil Slugger in the cell after he killed Kozuka...unless they really did fabricate the story in order to cover up their negligence.Wasn't there also the nameless grunt cop? Didn't he see Lil' Slugger too?

NewLib
07-11-2005, 02:22 PM
Notice that only the young cop when running towards the wall, the others went towards the cell. Maybe only the young cop saw Lil' Slugger.

KojiroTakenashi
07-11-2005, 02:26 PM
Did anyone else follow the old man's instructions and pay close attention?

It was a pretty Donnie Darko moment there...

MrBananagrabber
07-11-2005, 02:49 PM
Did anyone else follow the old man's instructions and pay close attention?

It was a pretty Donnie Darko moment there...
I'm glad I'm not the only person who thought that. I'm just glad we haven't seen Li'l Slugger in a Frank The Bunny-esque Maromi suit. I've been creeped out enough, thank you very much.

I never realized that the cop was running a pirated radio station. Thanks for clearing that up.

KojiroTakenashi
07-11-2005, 02:54 PM
I got the impression he wasn't so much sending out signals as recieving them O_o;

I, for one, vote for the "Save Point" Theory. Especially since its an established fact that Maromi is an evil little mushroom cloud...

Anyone else also notice the sudden lack of braces on Lil' Faker?

silverwings
07-11-2005, 02:59 PM
Anyone else also notice the sudden lack of braces on Lil' Faker?
I wasn't the only one then? Good. I also saw that he had buckteeth, which I didn't think he had when he wore braces.

Perhaps he returned to a previous 'save' before he got braces? :confused:

Holy Warrior
07-11-2005, 03:13 PM
Hey thanx for telling me how 2 do that stuff. i just finished watching Pa Vol. 4. man that was whack. But totally awesome. Wow. Not much 2 b excited about after the mystery is solved. But its still my fav anime series. But i hav one question for anyone who's alrdy seen the whole series. how did the 3 suicidal ppl get killed in episode 8? Did Lil' Slugger kill them? Were they seeing themselves getting killed on the other side of the wall?

Mod Edit: Please use spoiler tags when discussing future episodes.

KojiroTakenashi
07-11-2005, 03:19 PM
Even though I've already read synopses from the website...could you please put a spoiler tag on that?

Tash
07-11-2005, 05:12 PM
That doesn't sound too far off, but what about the two cops? They both saw the "real" Lil Slugger in the cell after he killed Kozuka...unless they really did fabricate the story in order to cover up their negligence.That's what I think happened. The younger cop, in order to prove that he wasn't wrong, created a "lil slugger" who could walk through walls.

And as far as I'm concerned, Maromi is nothing more than a symbol for "it's not my fault". Notice how that's what it talked about in episode 1? It also pops up when people decide to blame someone else. (In the first episode, when the guy got whacked, when the guy in episode 4 was looking at his mask.) Maromi also created "lil' slugger". If it weren't for Maromi, Tsukiko wouldn't have been pressured into hitting herself.

KojiroTakenashi
07-11-2005, 05:16 PM
Hmm...just remembered another thing. Manikawa saw a red aura around the old man, right? Who wants to bet that the old man is next, and is currently carrying out Maromi/Gohma's will?

Eddie G.
07-13-2005, 10:39 AM
Great ep...though I'm a bit confused as to why Lil' Faker was killed instead of just hurt. I think the explanation is that the kid was already in a comfortable fantasy world where nothing was his fault and he could escape from all his problems. That escape however was being invaded by the cops and he could no longer find any other form of escape even in the truth that he wasn't Lil' Slugger. Even if Lil' Slugger had just banged him in the head it wouldn't have done much in him trying to escape his reality. The only way for him to escape this time was to escape life. This is something that we'll see more of in the next few episodes. Also, in the next few episodes, Lil' Slugger becomes more brutal.

I like this episode and I hate this episode all at the same time. As a stand alone I think it's creepy and well-done. In the context of the series however I felt this episode could have been used to develop the characters a little more.

I give it a B-

KojiroTakenashi
07-13-2005, 02:43 PM
You know, I have a theory that the kid wasn't detached from reality...he was simply seeing another one that still existed at the same time as theirs.

It seems to me that in the show, their reality is really malleable, being interfered by several of them at once. Lil' Faker (if he is in fact the same kid...braces?) simply saw only one of the interferences and not the rest of it. The old man is aware of this (Quantum Physics and what-not), but he's gone kind of all old-crazy thanks to it. Manikawa isn't stuck-up and stuck in his own subjective world, allowing him not only to see what's really going on around him, but to interact with it as well. Here's to hoping he doesn't wind up like the old man...

Quantum Mechanics seems like a HUGE theme in this show. From Donny Darko-like "Pay very close attention" moments, to the dinner with the old man/Prophet that smacks of 2001: A Space Odysee. I really think it was an important clue that we saw Kozuma in "Holy Warrior" mode begging for help. Maybe Gohma/Maromi got him?

guinaevere
07-13-2005, 10:14 PM
Anyone else also notice the sudden lack of braces on Lil' Faker?I wasn't the only one then? After our earlier c&c, I don't see how anyone could miss that.


I also saw that he had buckteeth, which I didn't think he had when he wore braces.

Perhaps he returned to a previous 'save' before he got braces? :confused: Interesting theory, but I'm still thinking we're seeing things from the characters point of view. Lil' Slugger from the earlier ep was very sure of himself. Lil' Faker reverted to some very not necessarily insecure but scared personality... so he probably would have looked in the mirror and seen what he considered to be his worst feature.


That's what I think happened. The younger cop, in order to prove that he wasn't wrong, created a "lil slugger" who could walk through walls. Possibly, but to me, the walking through walls was symbolic of: You're falling behind. You can't catch me.


And as far as I'm concerned, Maromi is nothing more than a symbol for "it's not my fault". Notice how that's what it talked about in episode 1? <snip> ooooooooooooohhh.. nice insight. If Sir Lemming is right about Miromi being from Hell, with what you just said, it makes a lot of sense.


Hmm...just remembered another thing. Manikawa saw a red aura around the old man, right? Who wants to bet that the old man is next, and is currently carrying out Maromi/Gohma's will? I'm still curious about the red bags that both the girls had.

KojiroTakenashi
07-13-2005, 10:28 PM
Yes! That's it! We need to look for signs of Red and Yellow - Yellow is safe (The Safe Colour...wow, maybe Kon really liked The Village), and Red means you've been 'Posessed'. Notice how Whatsherface (I forget her name) seemed fine when she lost her bag - the bag she kept Maromi and what-not in.

Then the cops bring it back to her. What happens? She flips out again!

jethrek
07-14-2005, 01:36 AM
Yes! That's it! We need to look for signs of Red and Yellow - Yellow is safe (The Safe Colour...wow, maybe Kon really liked The Village), and Red means you've been 'Posessed'. Notice how Whatsherface (I forget her name) seemed fine when she lost her bag - the bag she kept Maromi and what-not in.

Then the cops bring it back to her. What happens? She flips out again!
I think you've found a "red" herring

-doh!

Tash
07-14-2005, 06:38 PM
Yes! That's it! We need to look for signs of Red and Yellow - Yellow is safe (The Safe Colour...wow, maybe Kon really liked The Village), and Red means you've been 'Posessed'. Notice how Whatsherface (I forget her name) seemed fine when she lost her bag - the bag she kept Maromi and what-not in.

Then the cops bring it back to her. What happens? She flips out again!Miromi = Red/Pink
Lil' Slugger = Yellow shoes and bat?

guinaevere
07-14-2005, 11:50 PM
Lil' Slugger = Yellow shoes and bat?Bringing that back to the Holy Warrior, isn't gold the color of purity in certain cultures? So while the colors may be a literally red herring, I'm thinking they still play into the series.

animePWNS
07-14-2005, 11:57 PM
Halfway through the show and we now enter a turning point. I don't know what to predict now except maybe

Lil Slugger is going to "undo" all of his past work and bring back everyone's problems to punish them.

This episode's sound: white noise from Maniwa's radio. I wonder who or what CQ is?

That mirror image of the old man was creepy, making sort of a "third face", which eventually became Maniwa.

We get subtitles except for the letters in the old man's equation. For those who don't know, they are the katakana for HI-RU-KA-WA, the surname of the father and daughter who were whacked most recently.

That old man's scene reminds me of germs...

A golden eye? Lil Slugger is a Paranoia Agent and a Rogue Agent!:D

"Trapped in a corner." Have you looked in the mirror, Maniwa?

I miss hearing Maromi's voice, even though he scares me.

Six episodes to go.

jethrek
07-15-2005, 01:24 AM
The Chief definitely saw Lil slugger in addition to Maniwa seeing him.

jethrek
07-15-2005, 01:36 AM
Halfway through the show and we now enter a turning point. I don't know what to predict now except maybe

Lil Slugger is going to "undo" all of his past work and bring back everyone's problems to punish them.

This episode's sound: white noise from Maniwa's radio. I wonder who or what CQ is?

That mirror image of the old man was creepy, making sort of a "third face", which eventually became Maniwa.

We get subtitles except for the letters in the old man's equation. For those who don't know, they are the katakana for HI-RU-KA-WA, the surname of the father and daughter who were whacked most recently.

That old man's scene reminds me of germs...

A golden eye? Lil Slugger is a Paranoia Agent and a Rogue Agent!:D

"Trapped in a corner." Have you looked in the mirror, Maniwa?

I miss hearing Maromi's voice, even though he scares me.

Six episodes to go.
Maniwa's not trapped so far...

G1Ravage
07-16-2005, 09:58 AM
Did anyone else notice that AS played the full ending? It wasn't sped up like usual.