What's the WORST Superman Episode?

[Livewire]

S:TAS was a great show,but even good shows have bad episodes.In Superman's case,I'd have to say 'Superman's Pal'(boy,that was hard :rolleyes: )followed by 'Little Big head Man'. Got any others?

[Calhoun07]

Superman's Pal both blew and sucked at the same time.

[kid_flash]

Personally, I liked "Little Big Head Man."

"Superman's Pal" sucked big time. What's worse, is that it's a cool concept that could've been done about a million times better. Like not having Metallo in there...he really had nothing to do with the plot.

[Toddman]

Hey! I liked "Little Big Head Man!"

But yes, "Superman's Pal" was pretty weak for the standards of that show. Personally, I've never been a big fan of "Unity." I'd choose that as a close second.

Toddman

[The Guard]

Livewire. I hated the voice of Livewire, she sounded like that stupid girl from She's All That...

[Batman 80]

I liked Little Big Head Man and Superman's Pal for some reason. The worst episode to me was the Titano episode.

[Karkull]

Warrior Queen--the only time that a comic book villain was done worse on the show.
Unity
Heavy Metal and Superman's Pal--if that's all they had left to do to Metallo they should have left him in that lava flow.
Legacy--it was too short. It should have been a three-parter.
Obsession
Absolute Power--would Superman really leave those people like that? I don't think so.

I liked Titano!

[Mr. Obsession]

Originally posted by Karkull
Legacy--it was too short. It should have been a three-parter.
What the?!?! How does an episode qualify for worst of the worst simply because it may be too short?

It's generally agreed around here that Legacy is one of the best Superman episodes made. Personally I feel that if they tried to make it a three episode story it might have been stretching it a little too thin. Maybe you feel it was too short because we never got the conclusion that the 11 post-Legacy episodes would have given?





Originally posted by Karkull
I liked Titano!
Giant monkeys rule! :D


EDIT: And I forgot, the worst episode was/is/and forever will be Unity.

[Failure]

I didnt like any of the Livewire episodes. Superman's Pal and Unity were bad as well, but it's the Livewire eps that stand out in my mind. She was so annoying.

[Trent Lane]

I must be in the minority, I liked Unity. Tho I'll admit Superman's Pal is one of the weaker episodes of the show....

[Squall]

Personally, I hated the episode that featured a giant monkey Superman had to fight (what's up with that?). I also thought that Luminous and Volcana were really lame villans (which is why I'm so glad they never used them more than once each).

As for the worst episode of Batman: TAS and TNBA, I'd have to go with "Critters". Farmer Brown is pretty lame. And the episode that featured the mayor's son and Joker at his Birthday party (how could the mayor have NOT counted on that happening?!?) was pretty lame.

On Batman Beyond, another monkey, this time a talking one, was in a lame episode. The one where Batman (McGinnis) was trapped underground with this kid, and Shriek tried to kill him from a distance, was pretty lame too.

Justice League, however, has so far got a perfect score. I'm sure it'll have a bad one sooner or later (even the best TV shows have at least one bad episode -- but the good TV shows have the least bad episodes), I just hope its later.

[Kal-el]

For me it would have to be Monkey Fun, followed by Unity (but Supergirl was in this one and that makes it tough for me to really dislike it) and Superman's Pal (though in SP we get to see a more cut-throat and arrogant Angela Chen...me likey)

[Karkull]

Originally posted by Mr. Obsession
What the?!?! How does an episode qualify for worst of the worst simply because it may be too short?

I didn't like Legacy because the entire episode was rushed. First off, we could have stood to see a longer battle between Superman and Lex Luthor. It would have been interesting to see the roles reversed (Superman as the menace that only Luthor could stop). Plus, we could have seen Luthor go to the press and say "see? I told you so."

Second, if Superman goes rogue, then you're going to have more than Supergirl trying to stop him. Where were the heroes (Batman, Dr. Fate, Aquaman, Green Lantern, Flash...even Steel!) when they were needed most?

Third, Superman was pretty nonchalant about losing control like that. When he was in the prison complex he kept defending himself, saying "it wasn't my fault!" To Superman it shouldn't matter, he'd feel intense guilt--to the point where Lois would have to convince him to escape.

Finally, too many people turned on Superman awfully fast. Well, I could accept most of the stupid public, but Emil Hamilton? It makes no sense that he would refuse to treat Supergirl. He should trust Superman entirely after he spent most of the series saving his life!

(And why didn't they believe Superman anyway about Darkseid's mind control? Where do they think that he got the Parademon army from?)

It was far too short for what they were trying to accomplish, thus they needed to make too many cuts to the story's content.

[BWDK]

I never liked the Aquaman episode, I thought it was corny. They shouldn't have made all these super-heroes crossovers.

[Lonestarr]

Ragging on "Little Big Head Man", "Warrior Queen", "Unity" and the Livewire episodes. Those were good.

Put me on the list of people who disliked "Monkey Fun" and "Superman's Pal", though. "Legacy" was also pretty tough going.

The Guard - What stupid girl from "She's All That"? Livewire was voiced by Lori Petty, who played the title role in "Tank Girl", so I guess it was a perfect fit.

[Terminatah]

Why don't you guys specify the episodes with some brief descriptions? I don't recognize them from the titles alone and I spent all last night scouring the web for episode listings that include synopses. The closest thing I could find was a site that included descriptions for HALF the episodes. No Superman's Pal or Unity, so I have no idea what you guys are talking about. Thanks in advance.

-Terminatah

[The Guard]

The girl that Lany puts clown makeup all over when she passes out.

[Golden Age Flash]

Gotta agree with everyone that Superman' Pal was lame, but I personally loved the Legacy stuff (Darkseid, Supergirl, whats not to like?). It also followed up the Apokalipse Now stuff nicely (i like it that Timm and company leave someone dead when they die on the show -aka Turpin)

I think I'm gonna throw the toyman episodes on the worst episode list . It seemed like they ran the Obsession episode WAY to much on Kids WB! :wakko:

[BWDK]

In '99 Ghost in the Machine ran like every other week.

[James Harvey]

This very site has episodes descriptions! Go to http://wf.toonzone.net, click on the log and then choose "episode guide" in the menu.

Worst episode? Unity. What utter...garbage.

[LastSonofKrypton]

Cast another vote for Unity folks!

(I figure this is just marginally more original than saying "Me too".)

Originally posted by Dick Grayson
This very site has episodes descriptions! Go to http://wf.toonzone.net, click on the log and then choose "episode guide" in the menu.

Worst episode? Unity. What utter...garbage.

[The Mad Hatter]

You know, it's strange. "Superman's Pal" so underwhelmed me that I've completely forgotten what happened in it. I know it was a Jimmy Olsen story, but beyond that I've completely forgotten about it.

I didn't think that "Unity" was all that bad, but I only saw it once and I was distracted at the time. I'll have to give it another go round.


My vote? "Monkey Fun." Even the title is screamingly lame...

[James Harvey]

Monkey Fun wasn't that bad. Little Big Head Man was iffy, not bad but not great. It was a definte let down in terms of a Mr. Myx episode and Bizarro should've had a bigger return.

[Karkull]

Little Big Head Man was a bit of a letdown--not enough drama (and the shots in the Fifth Dimension were pretty stupid). But it was still better than the rest of the episodes from the last season!

[James Harvey]

Ya know, I wonder why people think HAND OF FATE was a bad episode. I liked it. Dr. Fate is one of my favorite old school DC Heroes and it was great seeing him side by side with Superman. His characterization was dead on and some of the special fx in the ep was pretty cool!

[Golden Age Flash]

I really liked Hand of Fate as well. What I didnt like was the following formula that STAS got stuck in episode to episode:

Introduce villian
fight for 15 minutes :yawn:
resolve problem :yawn:

I'm not saying that they all followed the pattern, and there were some great shows but for most them, there just wasn't much thinking involved.... which makes you appreciate all the Batman stuff even more :)

[Livewire]

Come on! Why is S:TAS always getting the raw deal? Superman and Batman are two completely different heroes with two completely different shows. You can't compare the two.Batman's world is dark and gothic while Superman's is bright and futuristic. Superman's villians aren't supposed to be as dark and twisted as Batman's.



I'm sorry, but I just had to digress.Now back to the subject."LEGACY"?!! I asked for theworst S:TAS episodes not the best.How could everyone forget "The Promethean"?
That was just too boring. :yawn:

[The Mad Hatter]

I didn't really like Hand of Fate because it was just one big fight episode to me. And my big gripe is with the way they presented Dr. Fate... I knew nothing about him before the episode, and I still feel like I know nothing about hom now. And not in a good, "ooh, he's mysterious" way.

But then again, this is another S:TAS episode I've only seen once.

[The New Batman]

Any episode with Livewire was awful. I couldn't stand her! Mr. Mxyplizk episodes were also very corny.

[James Harvey]

I can see why some people would dislike the episode. They did do a pretty poor job in introducing Dr. Fate. I've been a DC fan for quyite sometime and was already familair with the character. I guess that's whyI got a kick out of it.

[MattL.]

I'd have to say the ep with Luminous.

I mean...its Luminous.

Yes, fear the awsome iconic villanous aura that *IS*.....Luminous.


Luminous....the hands of fate?

[James Harvey]

Ah...you mean the follow up to Target? I thought Solar Power was pretty good even though it had a couple...well..gaping plot holes here and there. Nice animation on that ep, though.

[Joe Tully]

Yeah, I thought that Solar Power was pretty good. The guy made Superman bleed, he can't be that bad a villain!

I am going to vote for The Demon Reborn. There is no reason why an episode with both Batman and Ra's should be that terrible. I can't remember being more disappointed with any other STAS episode.

And Little Big Head Man is the only STAS ep. I haven't seen. Which is too bad, cuz I really like both Mxyzptlk and Bizarro. But if it's as bad as everyone says, maybe that's not a bad thing.

[Naraht]

Between the talk here, and the ep guide, I can safely say....I haven't seen all the Sup. Eps. The big monkey ep wasn't to hot. I think I missed the Superman/Batman/Ras ep...so now I'm pissed. Oh well, it's coming back to CN. Reruns are gude.

[MattL.]

Look call me overly sentimental and not kewl, but the Titano ep was a very touching story.

and little "Lo-lo" was totally freaking adorable. :)

[Naraht]

Originally posted by MattL.
Look call me overly sentimental and not kewl, but the Titano ep was a very touching story.

and little "Lo-lo" was totally freaking adorable. :)

Well overly sentimental and not kewl, but the Titano ep was a very touching story. i agree that "Lo-lo" was pretty cute. She's pretty cute grown up too! I see what Bruce sees in her! =]

[Karkull]

Originally posted by Dick Grayson
Ya know, I wonder why people think HAND OF FATE was a bad episode. I liked it. Dr. Fate is one of my favorite old school DC Heroes and it was great seeing him side by side with Superman. His characterization was dead on and some of the special fx in the ep was pretty cool!

I wish they had the time to do more with the villain from that episode, Karkull. He had potential to become an ongoing villain.

What was wrong with Luminous? I thought that he was very cool--I don't think that anyone had ever thought to do that to the Man of Steel (take away his yellow sunlight). Personally, I was hoping for a Luminous/Livewire team-up.

[Naraht]

Originally posted by Karkull


I wish they had the time to do more with the villain from that episode, Karkull. He had potential to become an ongoing villain.

What was wrong with Luminous? I thought that he was very cool--I don't think that anyone had ever thought to do that to the Man of Steel (take away his yellow sunlight). Personally, I was hoping for a Luminous/Livewire team-up.
Gee....a guy with the nick/handle/username of Karkull wanting to see more of a character named Karkull....hrm...

Must be a coincidense....=]

[James Harvey]

Originally posted by Karkull


I wish they had the time to do more with the villain from that episode, Karkull. He had potential to become an ongoing villain.


Exactly! Superman is weak against magic, and having a couple magic based villians would have made for some interesting confrontations. Any villian that can explit a weakness definatly needs to be used more than once!

[The Flash]

Superman's Pal Hands down! The animation was horrible, the story was okay.....but that animation. YUCK! Plus they reused a song from the TNBA episode Joker's Millions...http://community.sierra.com/Images/emoticons/yawn.gif

[THE ELITE]

Originally posted by Karkull


I didn't like Legacy because the entire episode was rushed. First off, we could have stood to see a longer battle between Superman and Lex Luthor. It would have been interesting to see the roles reversed (Superman as the menace that only Luthor could stop). Plus, we could have seen Luthor go to the press and say "see? I told you so."

Second, if Superman goes rogue, then you're going to have more than Supergirl trying to stop him. Where were the heroes (Batman, Dr. Fate, Aquaman, Green Lantern, Flash...even Steel!) when they were needed most?

Third, Superman was pretty nonchalant about losing control like that. When he was in the prison complex he kept defending himself, saying "it wasn't my fault!" To Superman it shouldn't matter, he'd feel intense guilt--to the point where Lois would have to convince him to escape.

Finally, too many people turned on Superman awfully fast. Well, I could accept most of the stupid public, but Emil Hamilton? It makes no sense that he would refuse to treat Supergirl. He should trust Superman entirely after he spent most of the series saving his life!

(And why didn't they believe Superman anyway about Darkseid's mind control? Where do they think that he got the Parademon army from?)

It was far too short for what they were trying to accomplish, thus they needed to make too many cuts to the story's content.


:D Woudn't have made sense for the writers to have used the Rogue Superman along with Batman's files on other heroes to launch the JLA origin. Bats would be able to indirectly control some of the greatest power in the DC universe and Supes would regain the trust of the public by working with a team.

I think such an approach would have allowed more loose threads to be tied up. What do you guys think?? :confused: