I barely watch Saturday Mornings anymore....

[Batman's Biggest Fan]

Yo, this is a guy who usually liked to spend his Saturday Mornings as a child watching shows like "Batman: The Animated Series", "Power Rangers", "X-Men" and "Spider-Man" ya know the good stuff, but when I compare today's shows that air on the WB and FOX, I just think "What happened?" Aside from a few good shows (actually the only Saturday Morning cartoon that's on now is probably Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles) the rest are crap. You have travestys such as "Da Doom Crew" which are poorly done and shows like "The Batman" which may be fun to watch for action sequences is completely UNBEARABLE when it comes to writing which is one of the things that made "Batman: The Animated Series" so damn good and don't get me started on this "Loonatics" thing, what has the WB done to their most popular cartoon franchise? And Fox, most of their stuff is badly dubbed anime by the worst anime dubbers of all time: 4Kids Entertainment. I like watching Sonic X in any language, BUT English. And the WB's anime shows guess what they are dubbed by? That's right 4Kids, or at least an affiltrate of 4Kids. So in my honest opinion, that's what Saturday Morning Cartoons are made of now: either poorly done westren shows or awesome animes that were ruined by bad dubbing. Hence why I like to work on Saturdays now, so that I don't have to put it up with what was once my most anticipated moment of the week when I was a child. It's no wonder ratings have steadily been declining for both Kids WB and FOX. FOX's ratings got so bad that they took their weekday block off (and amazingly enough they advertised that as a GOOD thing.) and now Kids WB is preparing to do the same. It seems as though Saturday Mornings will soon be no more and now the only cartoon shows I watch regularly has got to "Justice League Unlimited" and "Teen Titans", because if I've learned only one thing over the years it's that good shows die young and horrible shows live forever. :shrug:

I rest my case.

[Bubblegum Girl]

I missed all of those old Saturday Morning times. I used to wake arounf at 7am just to make sure that I wouldn't miss anything. Now I just sleep in till 9 and not really care.

[crayon]

you know sometimes... there's lots of things i don't watch anymore.

[Elven Moon]

I never watch Saturday Morning stuff anymore. When I was a kid I lived for it.

[TrogdorNyimbhat]

The biggest reason I don't watch anime is uninspired dubbing.

Not only Saturday Mornings, but almost nothing is like it used to be (good), and even when there is something good it's replaced shortly by a kids show.

[Scorpio_G]

I rarely watch Saturday Morning shows because... I barely wake up at a "resonable" time anymore. :sweat:

Other than that. It's a little blah now and truthfully a lot of my younger cousins dont even wake up early enough on Saturdays so sadly it may be obsolete in this day of age. :sad:

[CyberCubed]

Well think of it this way, if there was no CN Justice League and Teen Titans would have aired new episodes on KidsWb Saturday mornings.

Since WB lent their shows to CN, that was two down the drain.

[Startrekman700]

only thing i watch now is TMNT and kirby. Most of it is ****. I miss the late-80's and mid-90's toonage.

[Mighty_Bojingo]

Currently, I dont see what's bad about it. I like watching the shows. What is it about these 'dubbed' shows that people hate so much? If it isn't too much of a problem, can someone give a pretty detailed summary of what I'm missing here? I just hope its not the fact that bad words and unbearable traces of Blood have been edited out. Those 2 things being kept out of cartoons these days is what i'm thankfull for.

[Dee]

I gave up on Saturdays long ago. The death hit was when MIB The Series came out and they advertised it with the pokemon they played (from WB) on UPN here. We didnt have the WB then so I just gave up on Saturday cartoons.

[King_of_doom]

i rememeber when i was a kid i woke up and watch The Real Ghostbusters every saturday to watch it and other shows,now i wake up and do something like watching the internet or going out.

[AdamYJ]

Yeah, Saturday mornings aren't what they used to be. It's not just that we've outgrown it either. Even kids don't watch Saturday morning cartoons anymore. If they did, CBS and NBC wouldn't have ditched their traditional SatAM lineups for what they have now. The truth is that, with the advent of the cable kids stations, cartoons aren't limited to Saturday mornings on network tv anymore. They're putting the really good shows on in the evening now, just like network tv does for its sitcoms and dramas. Nowadays, kids are busier and would like to sleep in like adults do and these new timeslots cater to that. It's really sad that the industry is really capable of making quality cartoons for kids of all ages like Avatar, Danny Phantom, Juniper Lee, Teen Titans, JLU and all this other stuff we see on cable and the traditional venue that hosted cartoons doesn't get the chance to carry stuff like that. I can understand the change, but I don't think I'll ever really like it.

[xokxtrunks]

I too miss the days of the early/mid-90's. That was the highlight of my week, turning it to Fox on Saturday mornings and watching B:TAS, Power Rangers...Boy were those the good days or what?

But look at it now...sad, very sad. I occassionaly watch WB, but other than that I skip Saturday mornings. What happened to the days of high-quality toons, with good writing?

R.I.P. Good Saturday Mornin' Toons 1986-1997

[Mandi-chan]

The only Saturday Morning worth watching for me is TMNT. I wouldn't mind watching Teen Titans but I don't think it's ever on in the morning anymore, plus it's ALWAYS a bloody repeat!

[sdp]

Well, you are all being biased since it was your generation that you miss, i'm sure when the current generation grows up they'll say the same thing about the next generation shows.

[Viper]

Yes, unfortunately, Saturday mornings aren't like when I was a child. Of course, my childhood was the late 70's-early 80's. Even back then, the real good shows were: Bugs Bunny/Roadrunner Show, Fat Albert, & Scooby-Doo.:) Otherwise, I'd watch almost anything & everything by flipping the dial, regardless if the show was great (Speed Buggy) or crap (Jabberjaw; Pandamonium).:p I would even get up at 6 A.M. to see a local kiddie show called "Patchwork Family". To those who don't know, it was a local NYC show hosted by Carol Corbett & a puppet named "Rags" that featured songs, artwork done by children at that time, exercising, and interactive puzzles just before commercial breaks.:D It also included talented artist John Canemaker--he was the best!:D Sorry if I got off-topic, but I just had to share this with you.:)

Now, even though I'm still a young adult, I'll be 33 in 2 weeks:p , I still enjoy Saturday mornings, even though there's mostly anime on these days.:sad: I stopped watching Pokemon because I had enough of the characters. I still find Yu-gi-oh, today's TMNT enjoyable. Xiaolin Showdown could be better. I absolutely love Winx Club and What's New, Scooby-Doo!!!!!:anime: :D I also mainly watch a few shows on GSN when there are repeats.

So, even with the few shows I like, it's still sad to see that there really isn't much on anymore, except on cable.:(

Regardless, I'll still keep watching Saturday mornings!:)

[MegaJ]

Saturday mornings starting sucking once they stopped with original programming and started buying anime and showing cable repeats. I do like anime, but I would've also like to have seen something especially made for that Saturday morning block.

[Legend1203]

The WB Saturday morning cartoons are more the preteens... I mean even the Baman isnt all that.

[Matt-a-Tastic]

In england we dont really have "saturday morning cartoons" the way they have them in america, we have like.... a kinda talk show type thing... exept with wacky skits in it and stuff. Theres genrally about 4 cartoons intertwined with them.... your right, they are rubbish.

I havent watched staturday morning TV since the bastards and ITV ****ed up SM:TV Live (Ukers will know what I mean).

I will forever treasure my "Best of SM:TV live" video. :crying: :crying: :crying:

[Dee]

Well, you are all being biased since it was your generation that you miss, i'm sure when the current generation grows up they'll say the same thing about the next generation shows.
I don't think so.

I was starting high school when my favorite show started. The stuff I grew up on is gone and I miss it, but I've been let down in recent years too.

[Mr Cat Dog]

Ages ago, the UK was like the US in terms that Saturday mornings were just cartoons. Now they're magazine style programs with patronising and condescendig presenters whose demograph is 2-...3 or something ridiculously stupid. Like Matt said, there was only, and probably will only ever be one good Saturday Morning show, and that was SM:TV Live, as it was presented by people who actually were... funny, dare I say it.

But yeah, these magazine programs showed some cartoons, but were outnumbered by (most of the time) pointless sketches of random things that weren't funny at all. Although, now you mention it, Krypto's on "The Saturday Show" and not CN...

[I.R Joey]

Ages ago, the UK was like the US in terms that Saturday mornings were just cartoons. Now they're magazine style programs with patronising and condescendig presenters whose demograph is 2-...3 or something ridiculously stupid. Like Matt said, there was only, and probably will only ever be one good Saturday Morning show, and that was SM:TV Live, as it was presented by people who actually were... funny, dare I say it.

But yeah, these magazine programs showed some cartoons, but were outnumbered by (most of the time) pointless sketches of random things that weren't funny at all. Although, now you mention it, Krypto's on "The Saturday Show" and not CN...
When I went to the UK about two years ago I noticed that. It was somewhat diffrent than what I was use to back in the U.S.A. Quite interesting actually.

[mammy2shoesfan]

For me Saturday morning weren't the same after NBC dropped Smurfs and turned to City Kids, Saved by the Bell and News and CBS dropped Muppet Babies, and even when ABC dropped Ghostbusters. The mid 90s for me were ok there were some good shows but it wouldn't kill me if I didnt get up early anymore. Then but late 90s and early 00s I didn't even bother to get up anymore I think thats where Saturday mornings were more or less dead. Then it started to pick up again in late 03 but nothing like it was before.

[Fone Bone]

Well think of it this way, if there was no CN Justice League and Teen Titans would have aired new episodes on KidsWb Saturday mornings.

Since WB lent their shows to CN, that was two down the drain.Bruce Timm has said that WB HATED the idea of Justice League. They were under the impression that all superheroes should be in high school or dumbed down to the point of being "relatable" to the kiddies. Despite good shows like Batman Beyond, Static Shock, and maybe The Zeta Project Kids WB went down the toilet when they cancelled The New Batman/Superman Adventures and never recovered. If it wasn't for Cartoon Network, we wouldn't have had Justice League at all.

[Kagetsu]

Saturday morning is where you find so much of the "cookie cutter" stuff for the kiddies to watch whilst eating sugar cereal. MewMew Power, Kim Possible, WITCH, and Shoilin Showdown are worth watching. It's the only time I see shows from networks other than CN or the two sometimes three shows worth while on Nick.

[Anthonynotes]

Like Viper, I too had my grade-school viewing of Saturday mornings in the early-to-mid 80's, so still remember things from just before the onslaught of 30-minute ads-posing-as-shows came along...

But yeah, Saturdays now aren't like they used to be even 5-7 years ago (when "Animaniacs" was in its dying days). On broadcast TV, it's only shows produced by the networks themselves (and live-action for most of it) and/or anime stuff and/or 30-minute-toy-ads-as-shows like Pokemon... *yawn*. Also agree that Kids WB went to pot when they ditched their humor cartoons/diversity in programming for all-action, all-the-time (along with a pile of anime shows similar to Pokemon...), and not even entertaining action shows at that ("The Batman"? I rest my case...).

And since I don't have cable (so I'd watch Nickelodeon/Cartoon Network, where all the animation effort's been going towards of late), I'm pretty much out of luck. These days on Saturday mornings, I'm usually sleeping in or going online...

[RayChuang]

1. The Educational/Informational (E/I) requirement has caused a lot of cartoons to be dumbed down and also caused network executives to replace cartoons with "live" programming.

2. All the new cartoons have essentially gravitated to places such as Cartoon Network, parts of Disney Channel, parts of Nickelodeon, Nicktoons and Toon Disney cable channels.

[Draven]

I've watched cartoons for 28 years now, and I LOVE my Saturday morning shows! I never get up that early unless I have to. It's called SETTING YOUR VCR. I tape the ENTIRE Saturday morning block. I'm typically having dinner while watching about an hour of the WB's Saturday.


You have travestys such as "Da Doom Crew" which are poorly done and shows like "The Batman" which may be fun to watch for action sequences is completely UNBEARABLE when it comes to writing which is one of the things that made "Batman: The Animated Series" so damn good and don't get me started on this "Loonatics" thing, what has the WB done to their most popular cartoon franchise?
It was "The Boom Crew" And it only lasted 3 weeks because nobody gave it a chance. Way to pay attention. And The Batman isn't that bad. And "Loonatics"? What? Are you talking about Animaniacs?

Now, I can see you guys missing some good shows, like MiB, The Zeta Project, and the other classics you mentioned.

But give the current shows a CHANCE. There's New Jackie Chan Adventures, Xiolin Showdown, Yu-Gi-Oh, Megaman Axess, Pokemon, and yes, The Batman, that shows's Joker is probably one of the most entertaining in all of the known Batman series.

Then there's the Sunday morning shows. Mew Mew Power, Winx Club, One Piece. Yes, there are more good shows besides TMNT.

I really don't know why this community loves to tear shows apart so much.


Currently, I dont see what's bad about it. I like watching the shows. What is it about these 'dubbed' shows that people hate so much? If it isn't too much of a problem, can someone give a pretty detailed summary of what I'm missing here? I just hope its not the fact that bad words and unbearable traces of Blood have been edited out. Those 2 things being kept out of cartoons these days is what i'm thankfull for.Outside of the bad words and blood, and nudity there are sevral other problems sub fans have with dubbed shows.

One of which is wierd editing choices. In many cases, music is changed, large portions of dialogue are changed, obviously to cater to American audiences. For example, in One Piece, the word "milk" was edited out. I THINK it was replaced with the word "juice" but, a lot of sub fans are wondering WHY?

In addition to this, a lot of sub fans think that the American voice acting is bad, and they don't care for the changes in dialogue.

There's the tap dancing around death. Where as in the orignal Japanease somebody was killed, in the American version they were just knocked out.

So essentially, sub fans dislike the level of censoship that goes into dubbing a show, this is made worse when a large portion of the dubbed shows are meant to be presented to children and adults alike.

[Batman's Biggest Fan]

[QUOTE=Draven] The Batman, that shows's Joker is probably one of the most entertaining in all of the known Batman series.[QUOTE]

ROTFL. That show's Joker has got to be the WORST interpretation of the character EVER.

[Master Moron]

Currently, I dont see what's bad about it. I like watching the shows. What is it about these 'dubbed' shows that people hate so much? If it isn't too much of a problem, can someone give a pretty detailed summary of what I'm missing here? I just hope its not the fact that bad words and unbearable traces of Blood have been edited out. Those 2 things being kept out of cartoons these days is what i'm thankfull for.

Well for starters the writing is dumbed down, the voices are so awful that you want to punch the characters whenever they open their mouths, the music is changed so the emotion of every scene is lost, and often times scenes that are essential to the plot are removed.

Anyway, I say good riddance to Saturday mornings. I'd much rather watch cartoons during the afternoon or night on cable. I mean, who wants to wake up that early to watch cartoons?


Then there's the Sunday morning shows. Mew Mew Power,

Badly dubbed


Winx Club

Most likely badly dubbed, though to be honest I never paid enough attention to find out.


One Piece.


The worst dub I've ever seen.

[Avenger772]

I want Tazmania back.

[Anarky]

lucky for the comic book sect, there's almost always at least one comic book series on Sat. morning

I'm looking forward to the return of Superman (another Matsuda series???) & The Fantastic Four...but where are Spidey & the X-Men?!?! You'd think w/ blockbuster flicks they'd be all over the tube. Marvel should just get in bed w/ TimeWarner and allow WB Animation to produce ALL their series.

Today, my only excuse to get up early is TMNT & The Batman

Saturday Morning isn't dead

[Youko Recca]

Eh, I'm thinking I've already given up on Saturday mornings. I barely watch anything in the morning anymore. And if I do, it isn't cartoons from channels descending into nothing but complete shells of their former selves. Fox Kids was vastly superior to this Fox Box crap, I mean, really, Fox Box is pretty much close to being garbage. Just nothing really redeeming about it. Except TMNT. And maybe Shaman King. KidsWB? Nah, I don't see the point. Most of what they show will belong to CN, sadly, soon enough, and others are just uninteresting. Pokemon got tiring once I realized I had seen the same story ten episodes back. YGO....no. Xiolin Showdown, not seeing anything good about it. Man, I honestly don't even know what comes in order on the scheduel. I hope this is just a slump that'll go away. I almost feel sorry for the children, even though they eat this stuff up.

[Gary L Thompson]

Yeah, Saturday mornings aren't what they used to be. It's not just that we've outgrown it either. Even kids don't watch Saturday morning cartoons anymore. If they did, CBS and NBC wouldn't have ditched their traditional SatAM lineups for what they have now. The truth is that, with the advent of the cable kids stations, cartoons aren't limited to Saturday mornings on network tv anymore. They're putting the really good shows on in the evening now, just like network tv does for its sitcoms and dramas. Nowadays, kids are busier and would like to sleep in like adults do and these new timeslots cater to that. It's really sad that the industry is really capable of making quality cartoons for kids of all ages like Avatar, Danny Phantom, Juniper Lee, Teen Titans, JLU and all this other stuff we see on cable and the traditional venue that hosted cartoons doesn't get the chance to carry stuff like that. I can understand the change, but I don't think I'll ever really like it.I think there were several factors responsible for the effortless success of "CBS Playhouse", when it established the SatAM block with "Mighty Mouse" cartoons", that are simply not there anymore. Back in the 1950s through 1970s, you had the baby boomers. Since TV was in its relative infancy, advertisers weren't concerned about demographics, but only if ratings showed a lot of warm bodies parked in front of the TV set. You didn't have FCC advertising restrictions, making carrying children's shows unattractive if they didn't draw monster ratings. These changing factors have made is rougher going for SatAM to survive in the past two or three decades. And let's face it, the 1970s era when animators put a steady stream of dreck on SatAM in the evident conviction that networks and advertisers would have nowhere else to go, probably fostered a general impression that SatAM is not generally the place you put your real first-line programming....




For me Saturday morning weren't the same after NBC dropped Smurfs and turned to City Kids, Saved by the Bell and News and CBS dropped Muppet Babies, and even when ABC dropped Ghostbusters. The mid 90s for me were ok there were some good shows but it wouldn't kill me if I didnt get up early anymore. Then but late 90s and early 00s I didn't even bother to get up anymore I think thats where Saturday mornings were more or less dead. Then it started to pick up again in late 03 but nothing like it was before.Actually, you can credit the "Smurfs" for saving SatAM for another decade, NBC was going to kick off cartoons in favor of news when the "Smurfs" monster hit status changed their minds. ABC never considered following NBC's or CBS' footsteps, but the change from Capital Cities to Disney basically doomed ABC's own home-grown SatAM shows.




I've watched cartoons for 28 years now, and I LOVE my Saturday morning shows! I never get up that early unless I have to. It's called SETTING YOUR VCR. I tape the ENTIRE Saturday morning block. I'm typically having dinner while watching about an hour of the WB's Saturday.Same here. I hardly watch any live TV anymore outside of the local news or weather.


Outside of the bad words and blood, and nudity there are sevral other problems sub fans have with dubbed shows.

One of which is wierd editing choices. In many cases, music is changed, large portions of dialogue are changed, obviously to cater to American audiences. For example, in One Piece, the word "milk" was edited out. I THINK it was replaced with the word "juice" but, a lot of sub fans are wondering WHY?

In addition to this, a lot of sub fans think that the American voice acting is bad, and they don't care for the changes in dialogue.

There's the tap dancing around death. Where as in the orignal Japanease somebody was killed, in the American version they were just knocked out.

So essentially, sub fans dislike the level of censoship that goes into dubbing a show, this is made worse when a large portion of the dubbed shows are meant to be presented to children and adults alike.Look, I've never had any problems with dubbing changes done for broadcast standards purposes, the shows are aimed at children after all. What I can't abide are changes in dialogue, plot, music, etc. for reasons having absolutely nothing to do with broadcast standards.

Another thing. While 4Kids might have an argument for "localizing" shows in fantasy settings like "Pokemon" and "Kirby", has it honestly never crossed their mind that leaving some anime shows in their original Tokyo setting would make getting the E/I label a slam dunk, while keeping more ratings muscle than you normally would get with an E/I show? If exotic foreign elements are supposedly a turnoff to kid audiences, then why does 4Kids deliberately add them to "Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles?"




[quote=Draven] The Batman, that shows's Joker is probably one of the most entertaining in all of the known Batman series.[quote]

ROTFL. That show's Joker has got to be the WORST interpretation of the character EVER.
You know, the classic Joker's profile was essentially the same in the comics dating back to the 1940s originals through the 1960s "Batman" TV show, the Sat AM "Batman" shows (even the "Scooby Doo" movie), the 1989 Tim Burton "Batman" movie, and BTAS (even the "Batman Beyond" movie), which is undeniable proof that the DC Comics creators nailed it right the first time when they went to the star of the silent classic "The Man Who Laughs" as their inspiration for the Joker. The Joker of the current Batman is just a Gen Xers childish scrawl on a classic profile that was here long before him, and will still be there long after he's gone and forgotten.





lucky for the comic book sect, there's almost always at least one comic book series on Sat. morning

I'm looking forward to the return of Superman (another Matsuda series???) & The Fantastic Four...but where are Spidey & the X-Men?!?! You'd think w/ blockbuster flicks they'd be all over the tube. Marvel should just get in bed w/ TimeWarner and allow WB Animation to produce ALL their series.Well, maybe the fact that Marvel's main competition is owned by Time-Warner makes it a wonder that they've allow WBA to do their series at all.



Eh, I'm thinking I've already given up on Saturday mornings. I barely watch anything in the morning anymore. And if I do, it isn't cartoons from channels descending into nothing but complete shells of their former selves. Fox Kids was vastly superior to this Fox Box crap, I mean, really, Fox Box is pretty much close to being garbage. Just nothing really redeeming about it. Except TMNT. And maybe Shaman King. KidsWB? Nah, I don't see the point. Most of what they show will belong to CN, sadly, soon enough, and others are just uninteresting. Pokemon got tiring once I realized I had seen the same story ten episodes back. YGO....no. Xiolin Showdown, not seeing anything good about it. Man, I honestly don't even know what comes in order on the scheduel. I hope this is just a slump that'll go away. I almost feel sorry for the children, even though they eat this stuff up.I can't deny that overall, Fox Kids was better overall than Fox Box/4Kids TV has been. Though I might point out Fox Kids hit a pretty bad slump after several years, though they were gaining monumentum again just as Fox unfortunately pulled the plug and gave the block to 4Kids.

Yeah, "Pokemon" would be a much greater show if it weren't so blasted repetitive.... However, I think 4Kids has been much more astute than KWB's management in mixing their lineup between shows aimed at boys (TMNT, "Shaman King", "One Piece", "F-Zero") and girls ("Winx Club" and "Mew Mew"). Unlike KWB, they're not afraid to mix straight comedy with their action shows, (though given a track record like "Cramp Twins", maybe they should be!). I think their upcoming "Do Re Me" could do for SatAM what the "Smurfs" did a generation ago, if 4Kids (massive "if", I grant you that) doesn't screw the show up.

[lizziemc101]

ok i'm a kid and i've just gotta say that saturday mornings are still number 1. mew mew power, winx club, sonic x, pokemon, yu gi oh, the batman, tmnt, shaman king and maybe even one piece rock! who cares if they changed some lines and stuff or if they are not as good as old shows there still good enough for kids the people their meant for. sorry if i was rude.

[Cartman]

Aah, the memories of Saturday morning.

I used to wake up around 7:00 and watch "Muppet Babies" on CBS. I would watch a variety of other shows such as "Garfield and Friends" (I still enjoy watching reruns of this on Toon Disney), and "Tiny Toon Adventures" (This also aired on the weekdays). I also watched the "Bugs Bunny and Tweety Show" on ABC. The problem with this was that they never showed the original titles. They'd just have Bugs in tux introducing the title of the cartoon. At the time, I didn't care. I just enjoyed the cartoons.

You don't see as good of programming today as you did back then. Nowadays there are a lot of anime-influenced cartoons (not that there is anything wrong with people who like anime, I just don't care for it).

[Draft]

saturday morning is thriving(in my op-in-e-on)

but what is sad is the excuse cbs and abc call a saturday morning(abc kids should be called disney channel on abc, and nick on cbs is ackward, in my town, it starts at 10.0 with dora, yes it's creepy, good thing something else is on)

but kwb is supre ruler of the morning, 4 kids tv is a close second(why change fox box's name, it was a very good title in my opinion) abc kids gets a 3rd very far away from 4ktv/kwb, nick on cbs 4th, and the worst of it, discovery kids on abc, the shows are boring(and one of the two nets that show non-animated shows, but the only one with shows that started on the block) i just hate the network for that(and kenny and tutenstien are supposed to be funny??)

[Sinsio]

You don't hear a lot of "Man, these shows suck!!" from the saturday morning lineup's target audience: kids. If you don't like the stuff that is on, don't watch it. and it looks like you don't anymore, so why make this thread other than to annoy us? Any additional energy spent on this topic is a waste of everyone's time and energy.



p.s. 4kids bashing is old news. We all know their work is horrible.

[AdamYJ]

ok i'm a kid and i've just gotta say that saturday mornings are still number 1. mew mew power, winx club, sonic x, pokemon, yu gi oh, the batman, tmnt, shaman king and maybe even one piece rock! who cares if they changed some lines and stuff or if they are not as good as old shows there still good enough for kids the people their meant for. sorry if i was rude.
Nah, you weren't rude. At least, not for a message board poster.

And there is the distinct possibility that you're right. Part of this whole conversation may be that we're just acting like a bunch of fogeys and waxing nostalgic about the "old days". Of course, there's also the possibility that we are right and they aren't as good. Perceptions change as we get older, and no matter what, you can't really go back and see through younger eyes. That's what makes these discussions tough sometimes.

[Gokou Ruri]

It's mostly due because you can watch cartoons on Nickelodeon or Cartoon Network almost 24 hours a day. Saturday mornings are no longer the place to catch shows because we now have channels dedicated to them all the time.

The only shows I still watch on Saturday mornings are Xiaolin Showdown, WITCH, and Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles

[Natey]

I used to watch saturday mornings with pokemon when it started and digimon. batman tas and superman tas recess. the thing I remeber most is 1st saturday morning on ABC. Boy I miss the good Saturday Morning cartoons. now most of its just a heepa pile of crap

~Nate~

[Steve Carras]

I was a child (I'm dating myself here) in the entire 1960s, so my perspective is
(to plug another thread:D) Saturday Mornings TRULY jumped the shark, as we couch tater tots say, in the 80s, not the 70s (I'll post more on that in that forum), when SMURF type shows, despite their huge success ruined cartoons (think blue Animaniacs!)

To me none of the 1980s-9-s shows impressed me much and I gotta say that the 70s were the LAST good era (save for the uprising of preachy shows a la FAAAAAAAT ALBERT). But the shows I liked were H-B, Ward,PTA/TTV(Underdog),Disney, Hanna-barbera,Larry harmon,MGM,WB,etc.,etc.etc.as they say.

Gary L.Thompson is correct on a veyr big number of stuff here: there weren't the "advertiser demographics" in those days concering sponsors (explans how such musical guilty pleasures of mine, the pre-1930s Victorian era skewing Mitch Miller and Lawrence Welk musicv variety shows, and Jimmy Durante, were to durable--and thankfully sa!!!!! :)) and of coruse TV was a bourgeoning medium in the fifites, thus requiring an odd assortment of TV shows:
WINKY DINK
GUMBY
GERALD McBOING BOING,
CRUSADER RABBIT,etc.

Save for GERALD the others had revivals before 1970.

Then of course there were regular providers of animation to TV mentioned above. Many of the shows have a surprisng poopualirty

Even in the 1980s I missed the cxartoons of twenty years earlier. You know you're getting old when Mr.T makes you wish for Hoppity Hooper, Fred Flinstone, or Yogi.