Could the Joker have died inbetween...(ROTJ spoilers)

[DerekPowers]

JL and JLU??

If the bat embargo means that we'll never see the Joker again (or robin for that matter), could it be that the infamous ROTJ flashback occured inbetween Starcrossed and Initiation? Sure, Booster Gold mentions the Joker in TGSNT, but he easily could just not have know what happened. After all, they only told Gordon, right? sucks for us Mr. J fans, but seems to fit well, especially if we want to think Batman is older in JLU than he was in TNBA.

any thoughts?

[HanaKirei]

Joker could very well be assumed dead after Wild Cards, considering what Ace did to him.

[Brainiac]

Joker could very well be assumed dead after Wild Cards, considering what Ace did to him.


....Except for the fact that he dies in Return of the Joker...

[Willowhugger]

....Except for the fact that he dies in Return of the Joker... It's a possible not definite future.

BTW, there's a pun there. She's Joker's "Ace" in a hole.

[John Cage]

Hi there.

I really hope that the ROTJ flashback is covered in the next episode, but with the embargo it doesn't look like it'll happen. Still, Batman stopping Luthor/Brainiac (who I refue to call Brainthor) would free up Robin to work solo. Plus there was that throwaway line at the end of "Divided we fall" about work in Gotham.

It's a longshot, but wouldn't it be swell if that's what "Epilogue" was about.

Have a good day.
John Cage
(Mystery Man)

[RAINMAN]

The joker name has came up a number time in JLU which implade hes still alive. Booster Gold bought his name in TGSNT when he was asking jonzz why he don`t get called for bigger missions involing big time villains like the joker and another villain name who I can`t remeber. I think It was grodd?

[Kieralinn]

Hi there.

I really hope that the ROTJ flashback is covered in the next episode, but with the embargo it doesn't look like it'll happen. Still, Batman stopping Luthor/Brainiac (who I refue to call Brainthor) would free up Robin to work solo. Plus there was that throwaway line at the end of "Divided we fall" about work in Gotham.

It's a longshot, but wouldn't it be swell if that's what "Epilogue" was about.

Have a good day.
John Cage
(Mystery Man)

To me the whole ROTJ flashback pretty much covered all we need to know about what happened.I mean where's the need to actually make that an episode? So we can see...say....how they drove down there or so we can watch them bury Joker? I mean that whole flashback told exactly what went down and how,,,what new ground could be covered by going back to that as an ep? Nothing. And don't say Harley because we know she made it..who cares how she made it..she did.

Batman always has work in Gotham. That's why he's a part-timer...plus that excuse gets him out of a lot of stuff. I would like it if Epilogue brings something new to the table about Bruce not just rehash stuff we already know about.

[Mister Intensity]

And the never ending argument continues.

Mister Intensity

[Bird Boy]

As I've stated time and time again, I don't want spoilers for episodes that have yet to air in the US (the majority audience on these forums) posted outside the designated threads or JLU speculation. Any such comments will be deleted.

-BB

[Krypton_Knight]

And the never ending argument continues.

Mister Intensity
That's for frigging sure.

Guys, there'd be nothing wrong with the Return of the Joker flashback fitting in after everything in the modern day DCAU stuff is finished. Why are you so obsessed with trying to fit in everything so neat and tidy in the middle of continuity? Give me a break!

KK

[Tash]

The Joker died inside when he saw what "The Batman" did to him.

[Silly McGooses]

guys, i really don't think the show's creators are looking that far into this...

[RAGNAROK13]

all good points but want kind of kills the idea that the whole thing with joker dying (recently) is that he really screwed up robin to the point he was in recovery for a year and i bealive that caused him to stop him from being the "boy wonder" for a long time.(im not positive, its been a while since i saw ROTJ AND I COULD BE WRONG) if robin stoped being robin how is he in the Teen Titans? Bats' did anknowledge robin and the T.T. in static shock when static asked where robin was and bats said he's with the titans. please correct me if my points are wrong.

[Bleu Unicorn]

all good points but want kind of kills the idea that the whole thing with joker dying (recently) is that he really screwed up robin to the point he was in recovery for a year and i bealive that caused him to stop him from being the "boy wonder" for a long time.(im not positive, its been a while since i saw ROTJ AND I COULD BE WRONG) if robin stoped being robin how is he in the Teen Titans? Bats' did anknowledge robin and the T.T. in static shock when static asked where robin was and bats said he's with the titans. please correct me if my points are wrong.
According to ROTJ, after the incident with the Joker, Batman forbade Tim to be Robin, so that was the end of not only the Tim Drake Robin, but all Robins - according to Barbara, Bruce didn't want to endanger another young sidekick again. And yes, in the Static Shock crossover "Hard As Nails" Batman does say Tim's with the Titans.

But, first the "Hard As Nails" line was just that - a line! Who knows what Batman meant, maybe Tim was just helping the Titans, we don't know. Maybe we never will. But until there's actually something that sets up a different timeline, I think it's safe to assume the events of the ROTJ flashback have not happened yet - and maybe they never will, as has been said five billion times on this board, it is a possible future until proven otherwise.

[Silly McGooses]

Is BB the possible future or is the DCAU a possible past? oooh, now i'm messin with your heads!:p

[El Zorro]

Is BB the possible future or is the DCAU a possible past? oooh, now i'm messin with your heads!:p
BB is a possible future
BTAS, TNBA, STAS and JL are possible pasts
JLU is a possible present.
:D

[Batman's Biggest Fan]

To be honest, I hope they don't say the ROTJ events happened, because let's say the Batembargo is lifted and now they can use these characters again? Whoops, a hasty decision on their part. But I honestly don't know what Epilogue will cover. We'll find out I suppose.

[TimTwoFace]

BATMAN BEYOND, for all intents and purposes, is pretty much the definitive "future" of any character that appeared in that setting. I know there's a lot of speculation about it being only a "possible" future, but then, why would the creators make such a show, knowing that it's all "make believe", as it were? That would make any show connecting to the past lose a lot of its appeal and impact.

Thus, the Joker dies in RETURN OF THE JOKER - twice - and that should, really, be all there is to say about that. The only question now is, when exactly did that flashback take place?

-Tim

[DLM]

I wonder how iron-clad the embargo is. For instance, could they get away with showing clips from ROTJ as long as no new footage is animated or new voiceover work was done? If so, they could easily sculpt an episode around dealing with the aftermath of the Joker's death, as long as they only showed Bruce in the new footage. Like, present a current threat and show Bats going, well batty, and when questioned about it maybe he opens up about Tim's ordeal and we get a few "flashback" clips to keep anyone who didn't see ROTJ up to speed. We already know they can at least MENTION the joker, since i beleive he was mentioned by a character this season. (could be wrong about that)

[Yojimbo]

That is an interesting question, maybe it is possible for the elder Commisioner Barbara Gordon to appear on "epilogue".

One thing I'm sort of crossing my fingers on is the origins of where Wayne got the Kryptonite that he had stored away first seen on "the call". It was never actually explained what happened to the weapons grade Kryptonite stolen in "clash", Batman could have easily done it and framed it on Luthor using nano-tech and scolding Superman for automatically pinning the theft on Luthor and making up the line to get a pro like the Atom to investigate; since he is the World's Greatest Detective, he should be able to do the reverse. At the end of "doomsday sanction" it seemed Bruce was willing to prepare himself for the worst and needed a failsafe (since I'm not really sure if he had any after AMAZO used his on Superman in "tabula rasa").

That secret inadvertently led to the build up that caused Superman to level Lexor and help further Cadmus and Luthor's plans against the JLU, The 'ultimate destiny' bit could mean what Batman always has been in the comics, the polar opposite of Superman and probably the most read battles. The Kryptonite was then use to confront Superman/Starro. Ties everything up nicely but we'll see.

The idea of the Joker dying loosely fits the timeline, about 7 years have passed between JL to JLU so Drake would easily be 17-20 by now and that is about when he is kidnapped. I doubt it will fill an entire episode but contribute to Batman's inner doubts of pre-occupying himself with JLU work and dedicating himself to protecting Gotham as he is a 'part-timer' as he stated back on "secret origins". The Joker doesn't need to be on JLU, there are so much JLA, JSA and other series villains that are itching to be used.

[JWangSDC]

I think it's worse than that. Everything is a possible timeline...the thing is BTAS/TNBA/STAS/JL are all definitive PASTS for JLU. BB is a POSSIBLE future for JLU....

hope i"m making sense to everyone.



BB is a possible future
BTAS, TNBA, STAS and JL are possible pasts
JLU is a possible present.
:D

[JWangSDC]

Also reading all this makes me think everyone is way off. The finale will not include any bats characters except for Batman and BB ones.



That is an interesting question, maybe it is possible for the elder Commisioner Barbara Gordon to appear on "epilogue".

One thing I'm sort of crossing my fingers on is the origins of where Wayne got the Kryptonite that he had stored away first seen on "the call". It was never actually explained what happened to the weapons grade Kryptonite stolen in "clash", Batman could have easily done it and framed it on Luthor using nano-tech and scolding Superman for automatically pinning the theft on Luthor and making up the line to get a pro like the Atom to investigate; since he is the World's Greatest Detective, he should be able to do the reverse. At the end of "doomsday sanction" it seemed Bruce was willing to prepare himself for the worst and needed a failsafe (since I'm not really sure if he had any after AMAZO used his on Superman in "tabula rasa").

That secret inadvertently led to the build up that caused Superman to level Lexor and help further Cadmus and Luthor's plans against the JLU, The 'ultimate destiny' bit could mean what Batman always has been in the comics, the polar opposite of Superman and probably the most read battles. The Kryptonite was then use to confront Superman/Starro. Ties everything up nicely but we'll see.

The idea of the Joker dying loosely fits the timeline, about 7 years have passed between JL to JLU so Drake would easily be 17-20 by now and that is about when he is kidnapped. I doubt it will fill an entire episode but contribute to Batman's inner doubts of pre-occupying himself with JLU work and dedicating himself to protecting Gotham as he is a 'part-timer' as he stated back on "secret origins". The Joker doesn't need to be on JLU, there are so much JLA, JSA and other series villains that are itching to be used.

[creativerealms]

The Joker died inside when he saw what "The Batman" did to him.
If The Batman killed the Joker on the Inside then his later The Batman episodes (Which are mostly really good) would bring him back to life.