Whats Wrong With Disney? I'll Show You!

[UmmYeahOk]

Kim Possible

Sunday: 6 times aired
Monday: 10 times aired
Tuesday: 8 times aired
Wednesday: 10 times aired
Thursday: 20 times aired
Friday: 12 times aired
Saturday: 14 times aired

Total aired this week: 80

The Proud Family:

Sunday: 7 times aired
Monday: 10 times aired
Tuesday: 14 times aired
Wednesday: 18 times aired
Thursday: 6 times aired
Friday: 8 times aired
Saturday: 11 times aired

Total aired this week: 74

Recess:

Sunday: 1 time aired
Monday: 2 times aired
Tuesday: 6 times aired
Wednesday: 2 times aired
Thursday: 7 times aired
Friday: 3 times aired
Saturday: 5 times aired

Total aired this week: 26

These are just 3 of the few shows they air. We're always complaining that classic shows like Gummi Bears, Ducktails, Rescue Rangers, Tail Spin, Goof Troop, Darkwing Duck, Bonkers, and even the classic disney shorts are never aired, or if so, aired once with a horrible AM time slot. Well, theres no room for a timeslot!

You watch all the disney channels and wonder... ...Gee, how unprofessional! It looks like they only have like 4 shows... ...they should buy someones syndication rights for another show... ...but NO, they have their own rights to HUNDREDS of shows, but do they air em? I will say that I "liked" KP, but like recess... ...since thats all that was on TV... ...I grew sick of it! Its crap! I dont like it...

And they own how many channels?!? Whats the point of having so many channels if youre just going to air the same thing as all the others?!? Have one of your channels be like Nicktoons, Boomerang, Nick GaS... ...and air shows that you wouldnt air anywhere else.

I mean it would be one thing if they planned on releasing a DVD, and so that wanted it to be freash so that more people would buy it... ...but no, there are no plans of that... ...and infact... ...how many DVDs does KP have? And even with all those timeselots!

[Superperson]

One word: Ratings

Those shows get ratings, along with all the other teen fluff crap not mentioned. If a show concisted of a melting piece of ice cream, as long as it brung in monster ratings the station would put it on. They don't care how redundant and stupid there schedule is as long as there making money there in the green.

[UmmYeahOk]

But such fake marathons are killing shows... ...like I said, Im sick of these shows because theyre constantly on the air. If Rescue Rangers aired 1/8th as many times as these shows did, I would get sick of it too and not watch. I mean, the classic DA is a good example... ...it aired once a day when new. Just once! Disney Channel aired its own shows, NOT what their public channel afternoon stuff. So 5 times a week... ...as opposed to 80!

And how do they get their ratings? How many people leave their TV running? a better question would be how many people leave their dish/cable box on? If they used my dish box as a form of ratings, then Im afraid that I DO watch KP 80 times a week! And what about the stupid mail out neisel booklets? We arent cant claim we're watching shows that never aired... ...we either say we're watching THE ONLY THING ON, which is KP, or nothing at all. Or what about the people who DONT watch shows like KP, yet still like it... ...how do they know that they didnt write in, pretending they watched the show everytime it aired, just as a way to keep it on the air, or possibly get it a new season?

[Natey]

wow just about all networks care about ratings and movey and not the true loyal fans.:(

~Nate~

[UmmYeahOk]

Its like ever since the end of the 90s decades, TV had sucked royally! I mean, Im doing things I never did back then, like go outside! Or the alternative... ..the internet... ...Why, I may have never gotten into computers if it were for the retardation of television!

I would think that if everyone simply stopped watching... ...theyd get a clue... ...but how on earth can you ask people to not watch... ..theres so many people that would watch something, simply because ITS SOMETHING! or, heck... ...they'll even watch it only because its animated.

[Classic Speedy]

Kim Possible

Sunday: 6 times aired
Monday: 10 times aired
Tuesday: 8 times aired
Wednesday: 10 times aired
Thursday: 20 times aired
Friday: 12 times aired
Saturday: 14 times aired

Total aired this week: 80

The Proud Family:

Sunday: 7 times aired
Monday: 10 times aired
Tuesday: 14 times aired
Wednesday: 18 times aired
Thursday: 6 times aired
Friday: 8 times aired
Saturday: 11 times aired

Total aired this week: 74

Recess:

Sunday: 1 time aired
Monday: 2 times aired
Tuesday: 6 times aired
Wednesday: 2 times aired
Thursday: 7 times aired
Friday: 3 times aired
Saturday: 5 times aired

Total aired this week: 26 Wow, that's quite an eye-opener. I mean people always say that Toon Disney airs too much of a few shows, but when it's put into numbers... quite amazing.

I'd be interested how much Nick airs certain shows over and over. I'll bet some of them would get the same types of numbers as above (Fairly OddParents and SpongeBob coming to mind).

[NikD]

Really makes me wish animation writers got residuals. :P

[UmmYeahOk]

Wow, that's quite an eye-opener. I mean people always say that Toon Disney airs too much of a few shows, but when it's put into numbers... quite amazing.
Yeah... ...sad thing is... ...I was watching KP... ...then realizing how bored I was of watching that show 50 times a day, I actually decided that counting its time slots was truely MORE entertaining! ...Isnt that sad? :sad:

[PowerZord]

Raven airs 2 times a day.(I think)

And yeah I agree with all of you, TV has become horrible, that's why I decide to go outside or the Internet

[Tintin]

Kim Possible

Sunday: 6 times aired
Monday: 10 times aired
Tuesday: 8 times aired
Wednesday: 10 times aired
Thursday: 20 times aired
Friday: 12 times aired
Saturday: 14 times aired

Total aired this week: 80

The Proud Family:

Sunday: 7 times aired
Monday: 10 times aired
Tuesday: 14 times aired
Wednesday: 18 times aired
Thursday: 6 times aired
Friday: 8 times aired
Saturday: 11 times aired

Total aired this week: 74

Recess:

Sunday: 1 time aired
Monday: 2 times aired
Tuesday: 6 times aired
Wednesday: 2 times aired
Thursday: 7 times aired
Friday: 3 times aired
Saturday: 5 times aired

Total aired this week: 26
How you count all Disney Channel's in the world and Family for Canada?


Raven airs 2 times a day.(I think)
If i check the Disney Channel listing, that's at 7pm and 7:30pm and repeat at 11pm and 11:30pm. It's already 4 times for a day. And can believe you CN are most better?

[adoptedBatpuppy]

But such fake marathons are killing shows... ...like I said, Im sick of these shows because theyre constantly on the air. If Rescue Rangers aired 1/8th as many times as these shows did, I would get sick of it too and not watch. I mean, the classic DA is a good example... ...it aired once a day when new. Just once! Disney Channel aired its own shows, NOT what their public channel afternoon stuff. So 5 times a week... ...as opposed to 80!

And how do they get their ratings? How many people leave their TV running? a better question would be how many people leave their dish/cable box on? If they used my dish box as a form of ratings, then Im afraid that I DO watch KP 80 times a week! And what about the stupid mail out neisel booklets? We arent cant claim we're watching shows that never aired... ...we either say we're watching THE ONLY THING ON, which is KP, or nothing at all. Or what about the people who DONT watch shows like KP, yet still like it... ...how do they know that they didnt write in, pretending they watched the show everytime it aired, just as a way to keep it on the air, or possibly get it a new season?
Okay do you even like regular shows, like: That's So Raven, Lizzie McGuire, Even Stevens, The Suite Life of Zack and Cody, Naturally Sadie, and so on?

[UmmYeahOk]

Okay do you even like regular shows, like: That's So Raven, Lizzie McGuire, Even Stevens, The Suite Life of Zack and Cody, Naturally Sadie, and so on?
Actually no... ...I cant stand the actors... ...and I REALLY hate how Disney has to push those guys in my face all the time. With all the CDs and movies and other promotional merchandise... ...I mean, I understand that Disney owns their soul... ...but theyre just as bad as the olsen twins!

Those shows air probally as many times as KP! However, being that this is a cartoon forum, I felt that counting the # of times these particular animated shows air, would hold more weight


How you count all Disney Channel's in the world and Family for Canada?
All I did was simply type in the shows in the tvguide.coms listing search engine... ...they searched disney east, disney west, toon disney, and abc. The listing is setup for the Direct TV dish viewers in the Dallas TX area, but it is customizable for other locations and providers

[Rover_Wow]

And the strangest thing is, all three of the shows you cite have already been cancelled.

[UmmYeahOk]

not cancled, but no longer in production... ...but yes, I do find it odd how a show NOT worthy of a new season is somehow worthy of so many DVDs, so many movies, and is worthy to be aired 80 times a week.

[tucsoncoyote]

UmmYeah Okay makes a very Valid point here and this is one half of the equation tthat is why Disney Is failing so miserably.. the other is the (Number Deleted) Rule, which gives shows too short of a run, and doesn't give enough variety oto a show (if The Simpsons were run as many times as Kim Possible, done like this.. People would in just 4 weeks see Every last one of the 340+ episodes of that series... but in the case of Kim and a few others well then it takes less then 5 days to exhaust the entire run of (Number Deleted ) shows.. and in fact this also comes back to another factor I pointed out and that others have noted.. Disney may have a ton of Content, but they aren't using it to their Full Potential..(Case in Point is that if you took all the animaated shows that Dinsey has in their library (that includes Disney Afternoon, Disney One Too, One Saturday Morning and even ABC kids) and put them all on one channel and ran one episode per day for the 24 hour period.. (and you even threw in the Jetix Block, (and remember this is just the animated stuff Mind you) you would still have 90 Minutes a day where there would be No animated series on.. and this would be in anty Given 24 hour period..(17.5 hours of the Disney original shows (From Gummi Bears to Kim Possible and Dave the Barbarian, + 5 hours of Jetix = 22.5 hours a day out of 24 ).

so in short by making not enough variety (by Limiting their shows to (Number Deleted) and by running these shows Incessantly you see that a lot of shows get stale and old rather fast..(in fact in one set of Listing for Kim Possible on Toon Disney, Disney Channel, and even ABC kids, I found as many as 141 listings in a 2 week period.. so why not have that many episodes? Answer.. well it's quite simple.. and in fact a lot of us folks who are wanting an extenison (for More NEW shows of Kim psosible have found out) that

1. the "Rule of (Number Deleted) " is NOT set in stone..

2. The Issue here is (Number Deleted) Quality Episodes rather then doing something like Recess, Ducktales did or Darkwing Duck or Aladdin or Gargoyles In short this "Policy has been limiting shows to that many (or Less-- Look at Tarzan, House of Mouse, The Proud Family, The Mighty Ducks, Fillmore!, Or Team Atlantis..)

3. The Incessant Overkill of Rerun rerun rerun is a case in point.. Watch a show with that many reruns (up to 80 a week) and it gets old fast.. (with a limitied Number of shows and excessive number of Re-runs this isn't supposed to keep a show fresh but rather to stale it quicker.. and make people lose interest so that Disney can bring on a new show (and remember last year in August I reminded folks about the 15 NEW shows that Disney is releasing between August 2004 and 2008 (Already we have Brandy and Mr. Whiskers, American Dragon Jake Long, The Suite Life of Zack and Cody, The Buzz about Maggie, Naturally Sadie, Katbot, and The Emperor's New Skool (and that is just 7 out of the 15 shows that Disney has already promoted (and it's not even the end of the 2005-2006 season on Disney Channel! That's a lot of shows.. 1 new show every 120 days.. and that's like saying.. Let's launch a space Shuttle Every other week. (Look at Nasa's Track record for Shuttle Launches and Compare that to the issue with New Show Launches at Disney and you see a Distinct Similarity..(And one that doesn't attract Fans but rather "Detracts" with disasterous Results. )

4. Add to this a very narrow Demographic and you have a recipie ripe for losing interest fast..

Frankly UmmYeah Okay I agree with what you say, but I have to add that Disney has to take and use what works and toss aside what doesn't Work.. after all Lilo and Stitch Works.. Brandy and Mr. Whiskers Doesn't (to a point). Kim Possible Works (Still) and Dave the Barbarian Doesn't.

After all there is all this "Filler Material" and sadly not enough Substance.. in the end.. a recipie like that will fail and eeventually Disney will have to shut down 1 if not 2 of their Channels or modify the programming and adapt or even worse. extend shows to keep folks interested.. this is all part of a short sighted Business Model that really hasn't worked since 1994.

Look at Fox, Cartoon Network. and other channels.. by Diversifying they are actually attracting viewers not detracting them...so in Conclusion.. Cut out the Re-runs, Make new shows of the shows that work and you should be okay Try out a new show every 6 months to a year not every 120 days, and , you'll win back your fans. Or.. You can Keep this up.. and sooner or later you will lose an entire demographic and believe me.. that's just for starters. Keep it up long enough and the term.. "What if you threw a party and no one came" comes to mind, shows really what Disney needs to do.. so in short Disney you want to survive? Bring back some of the older shows.. don't do as many repeats.. and if fans love a show.. Make more of it.. after all this is how you keep your fans and Customers coming back for more..NUff Said


not cancled, but no longer in production... ...but yes, I do find it odd how a show NOT worthy of a new season is somehow worthy of so many DVDs, so many movies, and is worthy to be aired 80 times a week.
and that is just the point.. considering that the show's supposed Final episode drew in 15 million viewers over just 6 short showings, and that the movie itself not only ended up in Amazon.com's Top 100 DVD list not just once but 3 times.. well consdiering the fact UmmYeahOkay, if fans were that supportive of a show back in the 1990's do you think disney would have listened then? Probably Not.. that's just the point.. but getting back on topic, this is that Disasterous formula we are talking about..

Too Few Episodes created + Too Much Re-run = How to Kill a show Faster.. but then why is it that Disney Channel and Toon Dinsey Need to repeat these shows incessantly.. it's not for Ratings but rather they just want to numb your mind.. and then some.. and then say, "Oh it's not popular.. let's just toss it aside". just like Rescue Rangers and Talespin and other Older Pre-2000 Shows.. (at least thank heavens they don't have Pepper Ann On right now.. )


:coyote:

[Dee]

1. the "Rule of (Number Deleted) " is NOT set in stone..
C'mon. When we say you can't bring it up, this includes vaguely disguised comments like this.

If it happens again, this thread gets closed.

[Scythemantis]

not cancled, but no longer in production...

Errrr? Wha? "No longer in production" IS cancellation. The only definition of it. What did you think "cancelled" meant? It has nothing to do with a show being on/off the air.

[UmmYeahOk]

Errrr? Wha? "No longer in production" IS cancellation. The only definition of it. What did you think "cancelled" meant? It has nothing to do with a show being on/off the air.
So... ...basically shows like Futurama are "cancled?" Im sorry, but my definition still will remain different... ...IMO if a show is currently on the air... ...regardless of production status, I believe it is not considered cancled.

Another way to understand my view point is that I believe that a rerun is the opposite of cancled, to believe it is both would totally confuse me... ...not to mention creating a paradox that would distroy the entire universe! :D

[Peter Paltridge]

The only logical motive I can think of for running one show an unbelievable eighty times per week is that with DVDs and video games and all that other stuff, kids don't always tune in to TV stations. So Disney repeats the shows they want to push merchandise for endlessly, in hopes that they can get all the kids eventually, because they can't rely on simple time slots anymore.

Is that it? Does that make sense?

[JDWeil]

This only goes to show that they really don't have enough good shows to fill the schedule.

[Butho]

Disney seems to want to gradually filter out all animation from that station, and just show the tween drama crap. Their plans for "The Buzz on Maggie" don't really make up for this trend, it seems like they're just trying to save face.

They could at least cycle in an older property for the nostalgia gimmick. Oh well.

[Draven]

Kim Possible

Sunday: 6 times aired
Monday: 10 times aired
Tuesday: 8 times aired
Wednesday: 10 times aired
Thursday: 20 times aired
Friday: 12 times aired
Saturday: 14 times aired

Total aired this week: 80

The Proud Family:

Sunday: 7 times aired
Monday: 10 times aired
Tuesday: 14 times aired
Wednesday: 18 times aired
Thursday: 6 times aired
Friday: 8 times aired
Saturday: 11 times aired

Total aired this week: 74

Recess:

Sunday: 1 time aired
Monday: 2 times aired
Tuesday: 6 times aired
Wednesday: 2 times aired
Thursday: 7 times aired
Friday: 3 times aired
Saturday: 5 times aired

Total aired this week: 26

These are just 3 of the few shows they air. We're always complaining that classic shows like Gummi Bears, Ducktails, Rescue Rangers, Tail Spin, Goof Troop, Darkwing Duck, Bonkers, and even the classic disney shorts are never aired, or if so, aired once with a horrible AM time slot. Well, theres no room for a timeslot!

You watch all the disney channels and wonder... ...Gee, how unprofessional! It looks like they only have like 4 shows... ...they should buy someones syndication rights for another show... ...but NO, they have their own rights to HUNDREDS of shows, but do they air em? I will say that I "liked" KP, but like recess... ...since thats all that was on TV... ...I grew sick of it! Its crap! I dont like it...

And they own how many channels?!? Whats the point of having so many channels if youre just going to air the same thing as all the others?!? Have one of your channels be like Nicktoons, Boomerang, Nick GaS... ...and air shows that you wouldnt air anywhere else.

I mean it would be one thing if they planned on releasing a DVD, and so that wanted it to be freash so that more people would buy it... ...but no, there are no plans of that... ...and infact... ...how many DVDs does KP have? And even with all those timeselots!I see you have stumbled upon a horrible truth....That truth is: Disney is crap. They will never give you what you want. Move on. Start watching shows you can be proud to admit you like.

The best advice I can give to anyone about ANYTHING, is that killer assassin robots are subdued with harmonica music. "Oh Christmas Tree" sends them running in abject terror. I would never have learned that, if not for a dream brought on by an episode of Cowboy Bebop. Watch more violent anime.

[Jave]

So... ...basically shows like Futurama are "cancled?"Yes.

[Fone Bone]

UmmYeah Okay makes a very Valid point here and this is one half of the equation tthat is why Disney Is failing so miserably.. the other is the (Number Deleted) Rule, which gives shows too short of a run, and doesn't give enough variety oto a show (if The Simpsons were run as many times as Kim Possible, done like this.. People would in just 4 weeks see Every last one of the 340+ episodes of that series... but in the case of Kim and a few others well then it takes less then 5 days to exhaust the entire run of (Number Deleted ) shows.. and in fact this also comes back to another factor I pointed out and that others have noted.. Disney may have a ton of Content, but they aren't using it to their Full Potential..(Case in Point is that if you took all the animaated shows that Dinsey has in their library (that includes Disney Afternoon, Disney One Too, One Saturday Morning and even ABC kids) and put them all on one channel and ran one episode per day for the 24 hour period.. (and you even threw in the Jetix Block, (and remember this is just the animated stuff Mind you) you would still have 90 Minutes a day where there would be No animated series on.. and this would be in anty Given 24 hour period..(17.5 hours of the Disney original shows (From Gummi Bears to Kim Possible and Dave the Barbarian, + 5 hours of Jetix = 22.5 hours a day out of 24 ).

so in short by making not enough variety (by Limiting their shows to (Number Deleted) and by running these shows Incessantly you see that a lot of shows get stale and old rather fast..(in fact in one set of Listing for Kim Possible on Toon Disney, Disney Channel, and even ABC kids, I found as many as 141 listings in a 2 week period.. so why not have that many episodes? Answer.. well it's quite simple.. and in fact a lot of us folks who are wanting an extenison (for More NEW shows of Kim psosible have found out) that

1. the "Rule of (Number Deleted) " is NOT set in stone..

2. The Issue here is (Number Deleted) Quality Episodes rather then doing something like Recess, Ducktales did or Darkwing Duck or Aladdin or Gargoyles In short this "Policy has been limiting shows to that many (or Less-- Look at Tarzan, House of Mouse, The Proud Family, The Mighty Ducks, Fillmore!, Or Team Atlantis..)

3. The Incessant Overkill of Rerun rerun rerun is a case in point.. Watch a show with that many reruns (up to 80 a week) and it gets old fast.. (with a limitied Number of shows and excessive number of Re-runs this isn't supposed to keep a show fresh but rather to stale it quicker.. and make people lose interest so that Disney can bring on a new show (and remember last year in August I reminded folks about the 15 NEW shows that Disney is releasing between August 2004 and 2008 (Already we have Brandy and Mr. Whiskers, American Dragon Jake Long, The Suite Life of Zack and Cody, The Buzz about Maggie, Naturally Sadie, Katbot, and The Emperor's New Skool (and that is just 7 out of the 15 shows that Disney has already promoted (and it's not even the end of the 2005-2006 season on Disney Channel! That's a lot of shows.. 1 new show every 120 days.. and that's like saying.. Let's launch a space Shuttle Every other week. (Look at Nasa's Track record for Shuttle Launches and Compare that to the issue with New Show Launches at Disney and you see a Distinct Similarity..(And one that doesn't attract Fans but rather "Detracts" with disasterous Results. )

4. Add to this a very narrow Demographic and you have a recipie ripe for losing interest fast..Wait we can talk about stuff we're not supposed to by putting the word "deleted" there? Well [expletive deleted]!:D


Frankly UmmYeah Okay I agree with what you say, but I have to add that Disney has to take and use what works and toss aside what doesn't Work.. after all Lilo and Stitch Works.. Brandy and Mr. Whiskers Doesn't (to a point). Kim Possible Works (Still) and Dave the Barbarian Doesn't.

After all there is all this "Filler Material" and sadly not enough Substance.. in the end.. a recipie like that will fail and eeventually Disney will have to shut down 1 if not 2 of their Channels or modify the programming and adapt or even worse. extend shows to keep folks interested.. this is all part of a short sighted Business Model that really hasn't worked since 1994. I have a feeling the Disney Channel will still be around long after I die. If the model Disney is currently using DOES eventually implode they will simply change it when the ratings get bad. So far, kids'll watch ANYTHING if they like it enough repeatedly. It's been that way for a while now. I remember when I was a lil' whippersnapper my local PBS ran the same episode of Sesame Street four times a day and both me and my sister watched every showing. (This was around the time when PBS' only kids show were Sesame Street, Mister Roger's Neighborhood, The Electric Company, Zoom and 321 Contact so they had a lot of empty shedule to fill). Fact is kids don't mind watching the same thing over and over again and Disney Channel is a KIDS channel and should program what THEY like; not what older teenagers, and people 21 and up like.


Look at Fox, Cartoon Network. and other channels.. by Diversifying they are actually attracting viewers not detracting them...so in Conclusion.. Cut out the Re-runs, Make new shows of the shows that work and you should be okay Try out a new show every 6 months to a year not every 120 days, and , you'll win back your fans. Or.. You can Keep this up.. and sooner or later you will lose an entire demographic and believe me.. that's just for starters. Keep it up long enough and the term.. "What if you threw a party and no one came" comes to mind, shows really what Disney needs to do.. so in short Disney you want to survive? Bring back some of the older shows.. don't do as many repeats.. and if fans love a show.. Make more of it.. after all this is how you keep your fans and Customers coming back for more..NUff Said


and that is just the point.. considering that the show's supposed Final episode drew in 15 million viewers over just 6 short showings, and that the movie itself not only ended up in Amazon.com's Top 100 DVD list not just once but 3 times.. well consdiering the fact UmmYeahOkay, if fans were that supportive of a show back in the 1990's do you think disney would have listened then? Probably Not.. that's just the point.. but getting back on topic, this is that Disasterous formula we are talking about.. I don't think popularity has much to do with Disney not renewing shows. They can profit from them after 65 shows and rerun 'em ad infinatum and lil' kids'll still watch. I would think a better person to blame than Disney would be little kids who basically dictate what the Channel programs.


Too Few Episodes created + Too Much Re-run = How to Kill a show Faster.. but then why is it that Disney Channel and Toon Dinsey Need to repeat these shows incessantly.. it's not for Ratings but rather they just want to numb your mind.. and then some.. and then say, "Oh it's not popular.. let's just toss it aside". just like Rescue Rangers and Talespin and other Older Pre-2000 Shows.. (at least thank heavens they don't have Pepper Ann On right now.. )


:coyote:IS Kim Possible in any danger of being taken off the air? I think it probably still gets great ratings. I imagine when kids are tired of it Disney will simply take the NEXT successful cartoon it's created and run it into the ground.:D

[Conekiller]

Find out how many times That's so Raven airs. I swear it seems every tim eI put the channel on that talentless ditz is on the screen:sad:

[Leviathan]

I just stopped wasting my time with Disney Channel, and i wouyld implore you all to do the same. Disney Channel is like MTV, an old grey mare, it ain't what it used to be, and it'll never reinvent itself.

[Donald Duck 12]

So who wants to save this thread with some fantasy schedules? :D

[Tash]

One word: Ratings

Those shows get ratings, along with all the other teen fluff crap not mentioned. If a show concisted of a melting piece of ice cream, as long as it brung in monster ratings the station would put it on. They don't care how redundant and stupid there schedule is as long as there making money there in the green.You know, I think it's kind of sad how simialar this is to that episode of Rocko's Modern Life, where a show that was made to be pure garbage became the most popular show on television, while the maker's art was ignored.

[SuperStantzio]

Yeah I agree and plus I stopped watching the Disney Channel altogether except for Kim Possible. But still I think the channel needs to make some adjustments to their schedule and put on things that everyone would enjoy not just the preschoolers and teens.

[MahouShoujo13]

*shakes head*

Reminds me of why I stopped watching Disney Channel all together...I happen to wathc it a few rare times, but it doesn't appeal to me.

Up here in NY they have more shows, but there are only a few good ones, the rest is animated/teen fluff crappola.

What makes me digusted also is that now Disney Channel has their dumb teen movies. They have a HUGE library of movies, but yet they don't show it. The last animated movie I watched on the Disney Channel was Kiki's Delivery Service. And that was when I was small....several years ago. And the horrible thing is, that the teen fluff movies they show have horrible movie ratings (if they went to the big screen)! 1 stars...2 stars...terrible. And yet they show it. It makes you lose a lot of brain cells.

[Scythemantis]

So... ...basically shows like Futurama are "cancled?" Im sorry, but my definition still will remain different... ...IMO if a show is currently on the air... ...regardless of production status, I believe it is not considered cancled.

*bangs head*

Do you even realize that this very thing has started flamewars? It's not rare for newbies and/or children on boards like this to confuse "cancelled" with "off air", and it MAKES PEOPLE ANGRY. Anyone who confuses the two terms is usually jumped on for it very harshly because it is COMPLETELY WRONG.


Another way to understand my view point is that I believe that a rerun is the opposite of cancled, to believe it is both would totally confuse me... ...not to mention creating a paradox that would distroy the entire universe!

How can you be confused?

Cancellation=not in production. PERIOD. That is the one and only thing that cancellation means. You cannot have your own personal "view point" on its meaning when it only has one meaning, now can you?

YES, Futurama is CANCELLED. Kim Possible is CANCELLED. Space Ghost Coast to Coast - which returns to Adult Swim this week - is CANCELLED. They have no plans to produce another season of any of these shows, and this is what cancelled means.

A cancelled show is a cancelled show no matter how often they play it. Cancellation and reruns are completely unrelated terms.

[Draft]

and what is even worse is abc kids, that has no original show on the network since 2002(meaning one that does not air on dc or jetix)

this is pathetic for disney standards

[tucsoncoyote]

I just stopped wasting my time with Disney Channel, and i wouyld implore you all to do the same. Disney Channel is like MTV, an old grey mare, it ain't what it used to be, and it'll never reinvent itself. Well there's another term I like to say.. "The Shoot Horses Don't they?" Let's face Facts, Disney has in fact Painted itself into a corner here where it has that Narrow Demographic Listing, a lot of shows that are really nothing but Teen Angst/Drama (and Yes Kim Possible is one of them now with So the Drama) and has forgotten there is a whole New Untapped Resource out there.. Namely Adults.. Yet they Disney Channel, States that they Put Kids and their Families First.. Doesn't this seem a bit .. Well ... Hypocritical on the Part of Disney to do this? After all they didn't have to Paint themselves into a Corner in the first Place, and in fact the next Few quotes will prove my point.


You know, I think it's kind of sad how simialar this is to that episode of Rocko's Modern Life, where a show that was made to be pure garbage became the most popular show on television, while the maker's art was ignored. Well that is very true Tash.. everyone Rememebers Rocko.. everyone else remembers Invader Zim as well, and in fact Folks will remember Kim Possible and Lilo and Stitch.. but it shows really how far Disney Has fallen here, and it's Fallen Hard... So hard, in fact that what happens next is perhaps the worst thing that can Happen. :


What makes me digusted also is that now Disney Channel has their dumb teen movies. They have a HUGE library of movies, but yet they don't show it. The last animated movie I watched on the Disney Channel was Kiki's Delivery Service. And that was when I was small....several years ago. And the horrible thing is, that the teen fluff movies they show have horrible movie ratings (if they went to the big screen)! 1 stars...2 stars...terrible. And yet they show it. It makes you lose a lot of brain cells. and yet you forget things like Robin Hood, and The Great Mouse Detective, and other movies that as of Late have been Shown on Disney Channel on Sunday Mornings.. now sure I have to agree that All these Movies they show in the Evening Are in fact bad ideas..(The Teeen Fluff Ones) Disney needs to Get back to some basic Animation here.. and in fact Just Last Night they ran An Extrememly Goofy Movie Last night. Right in Prime time.. and was this really Teen angst? No Not really. It was in fact Animation.. Just this next Monday (June 20th, 2005) Disney channel is planning to run The 3 Musketteers (The one with Mickey, Donald, and Goofy, and a Cast of Other animated Characters) on Disney Channel.. yet you seem a bit harsh for blasting Disney on this issue and in fact it's a blessing some of these older movies are indeed making a come back.. not only on Toon Disney but also on Disney Channel. So maybe there is a Reversion Coming.. who knows?


Cancellation=not in production. PERIOD. That is the one and only thing that cancellation means. You cannot have your own personal "view point" on its meaning when it only has one meaning, now can you? I don't like to use the Term Cancellation here. Not All these shows met their Contracts and the Term, Cancellation Actually Means To End Prematurely but since some of these Shows have actually met their Contractual Runs (including Kim Possible they really are in Fact.. Terminated.. not Cancelled. so I think next time you say that they are Cancelled rather they are in fact Terminated. after all Kim Got her fair Shake at getting her contract Fullfilled but Futurama was indeed Cancelled (Due to Low Ratings)..

After all this is a Matter of Semantics here.. so taking this back to the logic here.. let's correctly word this shall we?

Cancellation=Ended Prematurely. Terminated = Not In Production.

YES, Futurama was CANCELLED. Kim Possible was TERMINATED. Space Ghost Coast to Coast - which returns to Adult Swim this week - was CANCELLED. (There's a Fine Line between Light bulbs and neon Signs now aren't there?)

But then let's take a Look at Family Guy then shall we? A show that was Indeed Cancelled but still came back.. after all it was Cancelled (Prematurely) by Fox Due to low ratings, yet fans wanted it back. now the same things would apply to shows that are Terminated as well some shows that have been Terminated actually have been extended.. Shows Like Ducktales, Gargoyles, Aladdin, and Darkwing Duck to name a few.. In short these shows were Terminated at exactly at the limit of the contract, yet because fans wanted these shows to continue, well then that's why they were extended.. when Fan Approval Finally Dropped off? Well that's when they were Cancelled not terminated. So in a sense a show that goes beyond it's Contractual Limits isn't Terminated d now is it? Because the Contractual Requirements have been met. But if a Show ends prematureely before it's contract is met, well then it is indeed Cancelled Alright? Now that we got that straight .. Nuff said..

But I think MusikExpressFan says it best here..:


Yeah I agree and plus I stopped watching the Disney Channel altogether except for Kim Possible. But still I think the channel needs to make some adjustments to their schedule and put on things that everyone would enjoy not just the preschoolers and teens. See Musik has the right idea... Widen the Demographics here.. not narrow them.. why was Kim Possible So popular with people outside the Target Demographic? Eash.. It was something the family unit could enjoy.. not just the kids, but the adults as well. This is the tinking Disney Should take.. Widen the Demographics, Cut Back on the Re-runs, Produce More new shows that are enterraining, and in fact if a Show Works well, Extend it till Fan Appeal is indeed Lost.. After all Look at Fox's The Simpsons and Family Guy.. They Must be doing Something right to out last just a set Contractual Limit and Fan Appeal... or is it that we're being held Hostage by the limitations of our own Imagination.. (or in Disney's Point, are they limiting themselves too much.. I say that the latter is true, and in fact Disney doesn't have to do that.. After all Look at Golden Girls and Home Improvement.. both Live action and Disney Shows.. they went on for 7 seasons.. and people remember these shows.. but as for That's so Raven? Well sadly here is a case whee Disney needs to get back to the roots of what it did.. Animation.. Pure and simple.. after all Costs for Animation today are a lot lower then say 30 years ago.. so it shouldn't be Too Hard to get something a bit more Animated now would it?

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[Jave]

Cancelled is a show that ends no matter when. Period.

Proof? It was Jerry Seinfeld who ended his own show, and he stated in many interviews the show was cancelled.

So there.

[Fone Bone]

Well there's another term I like to say.. "The Shoot Horses Don't they?" Let's face Facts, Disney has in fact Painted itself into a corner here where it has that Narrow Demographic Listing, a lot of shows that are really nothing but Teen Angst/Drama (and Yes Kim Possible is one of them now with So the Drama) and has forgotten there is a whole New Untapped Resource out there.. Namely Adults.. Yet they Disney Channel, States that they Put Kids and their Families First.. Doesn't this seem a bit .. Well ... Hypocritical on the Part of Disney to do this? After all they didn't have to Paint themselves into a Corner in the first Place, and in fact the next Few quotes will prove my point. Wouldn't putting families first mean actually creating shows that parents don't have to worry about their kids watching? I mean, I know most of the stuff on Disney Channel isn't great but if I were a parent it would definately not be a channel locked on my cable system. Who said that every single children's show has to appeal to adults as well? If you have a REASON for saying this I'm curious but if it WERE a ratings problem for Disney Channel their line-up would look entirely different inside of a month.


Well that is very true Tash.. everyone Rememebers Rocko.. everyone else remembers Invader Zim as well, and in fact Folks will remember Kim Possible and Lilo and Stitch.. but it shows really how far Disney Has fallen here, and it's Fallen Hard... So hard, in fact that what happens next is perhaps the worst thing that can Happen. : I'd imagine the worst thing is that Disney could go out of business. And despite your sky-is falling approach I DO question anybody's assertation that the Disney Company won't survive much longer if they don't program one of their successful channels to internet fans liking.


and yet you forget things like Robin Hood, and The Great Mouse Detective, and other movies that as of Late have been Shown on Disney Channel on Sunday Mornings.. now sure I have to agree that All these Movies they show in the Evening Are in fact bad ideas..(The Teeen Fluff Ones) Disney needs to Get back to some basic Animation here.. and in fact Just Last Night they ran An Extrememly Goofy Movie Last night. Right in Prime time.. and was this really Teen angst? No Not really. It was in fact Animation.. Just this next Monday (June 20th, 2005) Disney channel is planning to run The 3 Musketteers (The one with Mickey, Donald, and Goofy, and a Cast of Other animated Characters) on Disney Channel.. yet you seem a bit harsh for blasting Disney on this issue and in fact it's a blessing some of these older movies are indeed making a come back.. not only on Toon Disney but also on Disney Channel. So maybe there is a Reversion Coming.. who knows? I agree that The Disney Channel has been showing more cartoon movies lately and that it's a good thing. I'm just not sure I'd classify it as a turnaround.


I don't like to use the Term Cancellation here. Not All these shows met their Contracts and the Term, Cancellation Actually Means To End Prematurely but since some of these Shows have actually met their Contractual Runs (including Kim Possible they really are in Fact.. Terminated.. not Cancelled. so I think next time you say that they are Cancelled rather they are in fact Terminated. after all Kim Got her fair Shake at getting her contract Fullfilled but Futurama was indeed Cancelled (Due to Low Ratings)..

After all this is a Matter of Semantics here.. so taking this back to the logic here.. let's correctly word this shall we?

Cancellation=Ended Prematurely. Terminated = Not In Production.

YES, Futurama was CANCELLED. Kim Possible was TERMINATED. Space Ghost Coast to Coast - which returns to Adult Swim this week - was CANCELLED. (There's a Fine Line between Light bulbs and neon Signs now aren't there?) Kim Possible was CANCELLED.


But then let's take a Look at Family Guy then shall we? A show that was Indeed Cancelled but still came back.. after all it was Cancelled (Prematurely) by Fox Due to low ratings, yet fans wanted it back. now the same things would apply to shows that are Terminated as well some shows that have been Terminated actually have been extended.. Shows Like Ducktales, Gargoyles, Aladdin, and Darkwing Duck to name a few.. In short these shows were Terminated at exactly at the limit of the contract, yet because fans wanted these shows to continue, well then that's why they were extended.. when Fan Approval Finally Dropped off? Well that's when they were Cancelled not terminated. So in a sense a show that goes beyond it's Contractual Limits isn't Terminated d now is it? Because the Contractual Requirements have been met. But if a Show ends prematureely before it's contract is met, well then it is indeed Cancelled Alright? Now that we got that straight .. Nuff said.. I'm pretty sure the reason DuckTales, Gargoyles, Aladdin and Darkwing Duck being renewed had more to do with the 65 episode rule not being in place and the shows getting decent ratings. I don't think it had ANYTHING to do with fans of the show sending letters or what-not to save the show. At least I never saw any bumper stickers that said "I'm huge for Scrooge".

But I think MusikExpressFan says it best here..:

See Musik has the right idea... Widen the Demographics here.. not narrow them.. why was Kim Possible So popular with people outside the Target Demographic? Eash.. It was something the family unit could enjoy.. not just the kids, but the adults as well. This is the tinking Disney Should take.. Widen the Demographics, Cut Back on the Re-runs, Produce More new shows that are enterraining, and in fact if a Show Works well, Extend it till Fan Appeal is indeed Lost.. After all Look at Fox's The Simpsons and Family Guy.. They Must be doing Something right to out last just a set Contractual Limit and Fan Appeal... or is it that we're being held Hostage by the limitations of our own Imagination.. (or in Disney's Point, are they limiting themselves too much.. I say that the latter is true, and in fact Disney doesn't have to do that.. After all Look at Golden Girls and Home Improvement.. both Live action and Disney Shows.. they went on for 7 seasons.. and people remember these shows.. but as for That's so Raven? Well sadly here is a case whee Disney needs to get back to the roots of what it did.. Animation.. Pure and simple.. after all Costs for Animation today are a lot lower then say 30 years ago.. so it shouldn't be Too Hard to get something a bit more Animated now would it?

:coyote:I'm not sure ANY of Disney's animated shows with the possible exception of Gargoyles had the vast fanbase of The Simpsons or Family Guy.

[Dee]

I'm pretty sure the reason DuckTales, Gargoyles, Aladdin and Darkwing Duck being renewed had more to do with the 65 episode rule not being in place and the shows getting decent ratings. I don't think it had ANYTHING to do with fans of the show sending letters or what-not to save the show. At least I never saw any bumper stickers that said "I'm huge for Scrooge".
And with that, I close this thread.