Could J'ohnn have beaten the Annihilator?

[Frank White]

I'm curious could he have eventually beaten it? Can the Annihilator be beaten by non-magical forces?

[DeathscytheVII]

I haven't seen hawk and dove, but isn't the annihilator fueled by hostile or hatred energy or something. If you fight, you fuel it. So no, i don't think j'ohnn could beat him

[Archangel2385]

No. It's fueled by rage, meaning as long as he fights, it will continue to fight. However, I cannot see the Annihilator having much luck with J'onn either, especially since he can become intangible.

[RAINMAN]

But you have to admit. For no magic powers or weapons. jonzz was putting that thing in the mix. It was also the first time sense star crossed we see jonzz in action. Hope it`s not the last.

[Quintessence]

Here's something that shocked me when I was going through a DC site. Apparently, J'onn has around the same strength level as Superman.

But, if the Annihilator is fueled by rage, there are ways to beat him and still fight. If any of you ever took martial arts, the first thing your teacher probably taught you was to fight without emotion.

[Knight]

Yeah J'onn is pretty strong in the comics and the animated series as well but not quite Superman level(animated). He has such a large array of powers that it makes him hard to deal with.

[DLM]

Yeah J'onn is pretty strong in the comics and the animated series as well but not quite Superman level(animated). He has such a large array of powers that it makes him hard to deal with. Actually, its never really been defined what J'onn's upper limit is in the DCAU. We've never really seen him straining to lift or move anything that I can recall. And If you pay close attention, in Starcrossed at one point you can see him lifting and flying around and absolutely FRIGGIN HUGE metal wall in the background.

[Alpha Man]

Here's something that shocked me when I was going through a DC site. Apparently, J'onn has around the same strength level as Superman.Whoa! I think you misread, bud. Superman is on a level on his own. Jonn might be on par with Wonder Woman, who is no where near Supes strength level. Don't get me wrong, Jonn is not weak. He can throw a decent punch.

But this is not a strength debate. IMO, I think Jonn would put up a decent fight against the Annihilator, but would have "beaten" it when Jonn figured out the weakness = it is fueled by aggression.

[Quintessence]

I think I didn't make myself clear. I didn't say he had the same strength as Superman, but I said he had the same level. They are both Superhuman class 100. I thought that was interesting because I never really saw J'onn lift anything before. So, to be up there (Not the same strength, but Superhuman class 100 is nothing to sneeze at) impressed me.

[Dens Maris]

I actually think he could have. The Annihilator may get stronger the more you fuel it with rage and violence, but J'onn seemed pretty focused and even the Annihilator can't repair itself. It would have lasted much longer than we saw in the show, but I would've handed it to J'onn eventually. Heck, if all it took was mace made of deusexmachinum...

[Knight]

Actually, its never really been defined what J'onn's upper limit is in the DCAU. We've never really seen him straining to lift or move anything that I can recall. And If you pay close attention, in Starcrossed at one point you can see him lifting and flying around and absolutely FRIGGIN HUGE metal wall in the background. Very true. I remember Superman making a comment while him and J'onn were fighting Grundy that he (Grundy)was as strong as they are. So I think J'onn is up there but Supes is usually recognized as number one when it comes to pure physical might with everyone else looking up. That doesnt mean they cant give him a run for his money though in a fight.

Whoa! I think you misread, bud. Superman is on a level on his own. Jonn might be on par with Wonder Woman, who is no where near Supes strength level. Don't get me wrong, Jonn is not weak. He can throw a decent punch. I don't know about "no where near". WW is recognized in the comics as being second to only Superman in strength. I remember a issue of JLA a while back that showed Superman, J'onn and Diana combining strength to keep the Earth from being moved out of its orbiting position and Superman ,Diana and GL together have actually moved the moon before. But this isn't a strength debate so I will leave this where it is.

I actually think he could have. The Annihilator may get stronger the more you fuel it with rage and violence, but J'onn seemed pretty focused and even the Annihilator can't repair itself. It would have lasted much longer than we saw in the show, but I would've handed it to J'onn eventually. I think he would have too. J'onns no dummy.

[Harley_Quinn]

It would have been a great fight but Jonn would have beaten it sooner or later.

[DLM]

I think he would have too. J'onns no dummy.
Exactly.

J'onn would eventually beaten the Annihilator because of his superior intelligence. The Annihilator seems to fight with a basic level of combat-oriented intelence, but J'onn is extremely intelligent and has centuries of experience to draw from. Combine that with J'onn's self-healing and intangibility powers and it seems likely that J'onn could just keep trying different tactics indefinately untill he found one that worked. With his combination of funky powers, it should be just about impossible for any foe who relies purely on physical strength to beat the Martian Manhunter. Of course, J'onn didn't have the luxury of time in his confrontation with the Anni.

[Yojimbo]

I think if J'onn were able to KO all of the Task Force X, then he would have been able to use the Annihilator's original weakness against it. With TFX there, no way J'onn would have been able to defeat it.

[adoptedBatpuppy]

Yeah, if he just stand and stare at it, like Dove did.

[Archangel2385]

I think if J'onn were able to KO all of the Task Force X, then he would have been able to use the Annihilator's original weakness against it. With TFX there, no way J'onn would have been able to defeat it.Exactly what I was thinking. As long as Task Force X continues to provide rage for the Annihilator, J'onn doesn't have any real hope of defeating it. Worse still, imagine if Green Lantern returned in time to help and attack the Annihilator; it might grow even stronger due to his rage. Result: stalemate until Task Force X and any other hostile parties are disposed of.

[Harley_Quinn]

Exactly what I was thinking. As long as Task Force X continues to provide rage for the Annihilator, J'onn doesn't have any real hope of defeating it. Worse still, imagine if Green Lantern returned in time to help and attack the Annihilator; it might grow even stronger due to his rage. Result: stalemate until Task Force X and any other hostile parties are disposed of.
Well if a long battle would have insued, I'm sure TFX would have beamed out of there because more and more heros would have shown up.

[Bones Justice]

What about the JLU teleporter? If Jon had been able to teleport it into space, would that defeat it? I assume it doesn't need to breathe but I haven't seen it demonstrate any mode of transportation except walking.

Even in the middle of a space battle, it would just be really po'ed with no where to go. :gir:

[Knight]

What about the JLU teleporter? If Jon had been able to teleport it into space, would that defeat it? I assume it doesn't need to breathe but I haven't seen it demonstrate any mode of transportation except walking.

Even in the middle of a space battle, it would just be really po'ed with no where to go. :gir:
Yeap teleporting the Annihilator into space would have immobilized it since it cant fly or anything.

I think J'onn's plan in the episode was probably to eliminate all the potential rage that would power the Annihilator by taking out Task Force X quickly. Unfortunately for him after he took them out the Annihilator caught him off guard and tore him in half giving the Task Force time to recover. After J'onn reformed himself he radioed GL probably for the purpose of taking TFX back down again while he holds off The Annihilator. Once they were out again and with no rage to fill it J'onn would have shut The Annihilator down. That's how I think it may have played out if Plastique hadn't did what she did.

[RAINMAN]

I don`t think teleporting it into space would have ben a good idea. Someone or something would found it and used it for their own evil needs. Or cadmus would put together a team to go in outer space to search&bring it back to them.

[Knight]

I don`t think teleporting it into space would have ben a good idea. Someone or something would found it and used it for their own evil needs. Or cadmus would put together a team to go in outer space to search&bring it back to them.I think we are talking temporarily not long term or permanently. Just long enough for someone to go out there and shut it down.

[Harley_Quinn]

I think we are talking temporarily not long term or permanently. Just long enough for someone to go out there and shut it down.
Or how about launching it into the Sun?

[Knight]

Or how about launching it into the Sun?
Yeah that's certainly a solution.. Even if it doesn't destroy it not many people can travel into the sun to retrieve him anyway.

[DLM]

Yeah that's certainly a solution.. Even if it doesn't destroy it not many people can travel into the sun to retrieve him anyway.And anyone who can probably doesn't need the Annihilator anyway :)

[RAINMAN]

Do y`all think we saw the last of the annihilator? It was not totally destroy. Hades can easly find another soul to invade it.:sad:

[Frank White]

Hopefully not after all TFX went to get it. I wouldn't mind seeing it come back

[Willowhugger]

Jo'nn was confirmed as having 80% of Superman's strength by the DCU. This is in addition to his other abilities. The Martians were the most highly evolved lifeform in the Guardians "Genetic Engineering program." In the silver age DCU, Superman was the pen ultimate achievement PERIOD of said same program.

[Gorthaur]

Yeap teleporting the Annihilator into space would have immobilized it since it cant fly or anything.One wonders how the JLU teleporter, which seems to work by tearing its target apart on an atomic level and then putting it back together at a different location, could work on an invulnerable target in the first place...

[Bones Justice]

One wonders how the JLU teleporter, which seems to work by tearing its target apart on an atomic level and then putting it back together at a different location, could work on an invulnerable target in the first place...Do we know that's how the teleporter works though? I don't think any of the episodes have specified what type of technology it is or how it works. Green Arrow's comments in Initiation don't count because he wasn't even in the League at that point. I think he was joking, anyways. I think the teleporter could be anything from a dimensional doorway to a magic portal. This is JLU and not Star Trek, afterall.

Even if it does work as you suggest, I wouldn't be surprised if the Annihilator could let itself be deconstructed for transportation purposes in one moment and nearly invulnerable in another when it's attacked. It's a magic item so it's not limited to scientific explanation.

Speaking of teleporting -- does DC have any superheroes that can teleport? Marvel's Nightcrawler doesn't teleport by disintegration of his atoms so I am wondering how his DC counterpart (if any) does the same thing. The closest thing to a teleporting hero that I have seen on DCAU is Dr. Fate, which I'm assuming he does with magic.

I really think the JLU teleporter is not as powerful as some people think it is. It is powerful in that it can move matter through space very quickly. But it still has a lot of limitations compared to other JLU weaponry and the League members themselves.

[Knight]

One wonders how the JLU teleporter, which seems to work by tearing its target apart on an atomic level and then putting it back together at a different location, could work on an invulnerable target in the first place...
I know in the comics the teleporters functioned on a folding space method of technology and not breaking down a persons or objects atoms like on shows like Star Trek. Space folding doesnt require that the target be broken down and would make it so that invulnerable beings could be teleported. I see tearing down the atoms of someone like Superman or something like The Annihilator being very dificult to do. So likely the show employs the same method as the comics.