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This bat/superman embargo or not able to show them. Can someone give me the link to where i can read more on this?
Also I would like to read more about the crisis or this big change that dcau is doing.
Thanks
Blue Zeo
06-06-2005, 12:04 PM
It has nothing to do with Superman, it only applies to Batman. Basically it means that they can't use any Batman characters (Robin, Joker, Nightwing, Batgirl, ext.) in Justice League.
Joker1238
06-06-2005, 12:18 PM
I do find it strange they got away with Huntress. Yes she is part of Batman.
Ed Liu
06-06-2005, 12:31 PM
Howdy,
I think they got away with Huntress because nobody's planning to use her on The Batman or in the movies. Comments made by assorted creators leads me to think that it's more of a "first dibs" sort of thing (meaning that The Batman can veto any request for a Batman character) than a hard-and-fast embargo. JLU has shown Hugo Strange and the Clock King, after all, and both of them debuted on BTAS (even if Clock King is technically a Green Arrow villain, I think).
In any event, I don't think anybody's going to come forward with an explanation of the embargo in any sort of official capacity.
-- Ed/Ace
Darking
06-06-2005, 12:34 PM
I think it applies more to the characters that may show up in The Batman. While the Huntress is a major player in the Batman comic book, there's probably no plans to intro her into the new animated series. Same thing goes for the Clock King.
This is probably done to prevent confusion as The Batman's models are significantly different than JLU's.
Joker1238
06-06-2005, 12:38 PM
Well if that was the case, Maybe they can get away with "Batgirl" Cassinda Cain lol. I would loved to see her in a cartoon. But I think with Barb in "THE Batman". They cant relly pull that off.
Yeah I was pretty shock to see Huntress. yeah Cain is my favor female in the Batman world.
Ok so The Batman or a Batman movie thinks they will use Nightwing/Robin in a plot??
Anyone know where I can read about the crisis so I can catch up to speed.
Joker1238
06-06-2005, 12:39 PM
Confusion? What confusion???? I can tell there Joker;s apart and there Riddlers, If the The Batman falls on its face. its there OWN doing, Not because JLU has there own Joker or there Own Riddler.
Blue Zeo
06-06-2005, 12:55 PM
Ok so The Batman or a Batman movie thinks they will use Nightwing/Robin in a plot??
Anyone know where I can read about the crisis so I can catch up to speed.
The Batman can't use Robin due to Teen Titans.
Azrael24
06-06-2005, 01:10 PM
cassandra batgirl is my fav female character too!! i was hoping she could have her own series in DCAU. but i dont think she can b/c batgirl is in the batman but it is a different batgirl.
Ok so JLU can only use Superman and Batman on sparse occasions it sounds like. This is because of the new movies I take it.
As far as the DCAU I believe its something Crisis I have read about in the comics that this will also affect the tv shows is this true?
Blue Zeo
06-06-2005, 01:43 PM
Ok so JLU can only use Superman and Batman on sparse occasions it sounds like. This is because of the new movies I take it.
As far as the DCAU I believe its something Crisis I have read about in the comics that this will also affect the tv shows is this true?
It has nothing to do with Superman, and the movies really don't often affect the animated shows. The reason why WB's won't let Justice League use Batman characters and why The Batman can't use Robin is simply because they think the kids will get confused with 2 different versions of the same character.
As for information on the upcoming crisis in the comics, you should check the comic book forum.
Style
06-06-2005, 03:20 PM
It has nothing to do with Superman, and the movies really don't often affect the animated shows. The reason why WB's won't let Justice League use Batman characters and why The Batman can't use Robin is simply because they think the kids will get confused with 2 different versions of the same character.
As for information on the upcoming crisis in the comics, you should check the comic book forum. Oh, yes the movies DO affect the shows! The movie is why Ra's Al Ghul and Scarecrow can't be used on JLU NOR The Batman. As for usage of Superman and Batman on JLU, They can use Superman and all his characters as much as they want. As for Batman, they can use him as much as they want, and some of his characters neither the film nor the cartoon are interested in right now. (KG Beast, Blockbuster, Clock King.)
The "Superman" embargo was just a rumor started by a nice but naive member here who apparently didn't realize fans already had enough to complain about without making up more stuff.;)
As for me, I'm most upset about the Batembargo as it applies to The Batman at this point. JLU is at a scale where it can survive without the bat characters and I don't care to see most of them again on that show anyway. But The Batman, being a Batman show, should have access to all Batman characters. The fact that they can't use Two-Face, Robin, Ra's Al Ghul, and the Scarecrow is just a travesty.:mad:
As for me, I'm most upset about the Batembargo as it applies to The Batman at this point. JLU is at a scale where it can survive without the bat characters and I don't care to see most of them again on that show anyway. But The Batman, being a Batman show, should have access to all Batman characters. The fact that they can't use Two-Face, Robin, Ra's Al Ghul, and the Scarecrow is just a travesty.:mad:
It's dissapointing we won't be seeing Scarecrow on the show, he's Weisman's favourite villain, and it would've cool to see what he would've done with him. I remember seeing Matsuda's design for him floating around online, but I can't remember what it looked like...
There's still a small chance we'll see them, eventually. We got Gordon, right? *Realises he's just opened a huge flood of "RA'S VS JLU IN 2009!!!!!111111" wishes* :p
Fone Bone
06-06-2005, 04:04 PM
The "Superman" embargo was just a rumor started by a nice but naive member here who apparently didn't realize fans already had enough to complain about without making up more stuff.;)
You're welcome.:D
Simpler Simon
06-06-2005, 05:36 PM
JLU has shown Hugo Strange and the Clock King, after all, and both of them debuted on BTAS (even if Clock King is technically a Green Arrow villain, I think).
Well Hugo Strange was pretty much a one-time deal. He was supposed to get a bigger, speaking appearance before the embargo got him:
he's replaced by Dr. Moon at the Cadmus roundtable in the episode "Flashpoint."
Also, the Cassandra Cain Batgirl was supposed to be the one used for The Batman before the team decided on the more traditional Barbara Gordon version.
Rurouni Kenshin
06-06-2005, 05:37 PM
I don't see why people care about the bat embargo, it keeps us from getting sick of the batman villians, I mean we already have a whole show with just them in it, so why do we need to see them in JL?
Simpler Simon
06-06-2005, 05:44 PM
I don't see why people care about the bat embargo, it keeps us from getting sick of the batman villians, I mean we already have a whole show with just them in it, so why do we need to see them in JL?
It's just the principle of the thing - I for one think the Joker's gotten his time on JL and don't really wish to see him again, but an appearance by Nightwing or Riddler where appropriate would've been a fun treat. There were rumours of a "Birds of Prey" story where Barbara is injured and confined to a wheelchair, and must direct Canary and Huntress by remote.
As for Hugo Strange, let me say that The Batman version of the character is more interesting than the BTAS mad scientist version, so that wasn't a problem at all.. Its a toss up if the character will appear again though after season 2, since his VA Frank Gorshin passed away recently.
Batman's Biggest Fan
06-06-2005, 07:28 PM
Why wouldn't The Batman be able to use Two-Face? :confused:
Style
06-06-2005, 10:38 PM
Why wouldn't The Batman be able to use Two-Face? :confused: Recently announced plans for the next two Batman movies after "Begins" illuminate this point. Harvey Dent will be playing a prominent role in the next two, and will be Two-Face by the third. I don't know how long WB expects The Batman two last, but since the third one won't be out for another 4-6 years, then I don't know why they are concerned. Or maybe they want people to think of Katie Holmes as the DA right now and don't want that confused on The Batman.
Kieralinn
06-06-2005, 10:44 PM
I don't see why people care about the bat embargo, it keeps us from getting sick of the batman villians, I mean we already have a whole show with just them in it, so why do we need to see them in JL?
Because I miss Mark Hamill as The Joker with his pretty Harley Quinn Damn it!!:mad: :sad: :( :crying: :shrug:
JLU Dude
06-06-2005, 11:06 PM
I'm sorry, but with Superman, The Kents, Lois, Perry, Jimmy and Lex appearing in Justice League Unlimited, Smallville (Well, to a lesser extend in the case of Lois & Perry and not at all in Jimmy's case), and Superman Returns, and not to mention Harley Quinn's appearance in Birds of Prey, it really undermines The Bat-Embargo and the embargo on Scarecrow & Ra's Al Ghul. I mean, it's okay for Superman to appear in two different series & a movie, but the Joker and Scarecrow can't appear in JLU? Ridiculous! I can't swallow it and I hope WB realizes it hypocritical to put an embargo on certain things relating Batman and not Superman and lifts the absurb Bat-Embargo.
Batman's Biggest Fan
06-07-2005, 09:14 AM
Recently announced plans for the next two Batman movies after "Begins" illuminate this point. Harvey Dent will be playing a prominent role in the next two, and will be Two-Face by the third. I don't know how long WB expects The Batman two last, but since the third one won't be out for another 4-6 years, then I don't know why they are concerned. Or maybe they want people to think of Katie Holmes as the DA right now and don't want that confused on The Batman. But then wouldn't the Joker be off limits? (to The Batman I mean) I hear he will be the main villian in the inevitable sequel.
Most of the backlash at the embargo comes from how absurd it is. I mean would kids really care seeing two or three different versions? Besides if there's 3 different versions of Batman and they don't really care, why would they mind different versions of Joker, Batgirl or Alfred? The WB's just not thinking straight on the subject. Or maybe they just like to piss the fans off. :p
Esplin9466
06-07-2005, 11:28 AM
Most of the backlash at the embargo comes from how absurd it is. I mean would kids really care seeing two or three different versions? Besides if there's 3 different versions of Batman and they don't really care, why would they mind different versions of Joker, Batgirl or Alfred? The WB's just not thinking straight on the subject. Or maybe they just like to piss the fans off.
I wholeheartedly (did I spell that right?) agree. Plus, The Batman is an awful show and a mockery of the Batman character and his universe. What they've done to The Riddler is a travesty. And I also really miss Mark Hamill. I will definitely sign that petition (It might work.....)
Here during June there's an overload of Batman-related stuff for the movie's release date of 16 June. (http://www.cartoonnetwork.com.au/asp/tv/schedule2.asp)
Justice League Unlimited's first series is on the weekends; as is Teen Titans (the former on Sat/Sun mornings, the latter in the evenings - TT is on daily in fact); BTAS/Statick Shock/Justice League have/will been on weekday evenings for ages (the BTAS episodes they are playing are the episodes on BTAS Volume 1 plus the first two of the 2nd in a loop); The Batman is finally going to premiere on Friday; last week we got Return of the Joker (uncut), this week we're getting Phantasm, next week Subzero; and to top off all of Cartoon Network Australia's efforts they're showing the above mentioned BTAS episodes in a 'Bat to Bat Bat-Marathon' during this Saturday and Sunday.
Another channel's showing the four liveaction movies, while another is (and has been for ages of course) screening the 60s series. WHV Australia has finally released Starcrossed in PAL format along with the Brave & Bold DVD.
If WB head honchos in America want everybody to forget about the past incarnations of their next big movie franchise, then thank god I don't live in the US!
I suspect I'll be sick of the bloke by July.
Jiggle-Bot
06-08-2005, 06:27 AM
WHV Australia has finally released Starcrossed in PAL format along with the Brave & Bold DVD.Unfortunately from what ive heard its the full screen version of starcrossed... correct me if i'm wrong but you guys seem to get all the releases late and then to add insult to injury get it cropped.
Harley_Quinn
06-08-2005, 08:58 AM
I wholeheartedly (did I spell that right?) agree. Plus, The Batman is an awful show and a mockery of the Batman character and his universe. What they've done to The Riddler is a travesty. And I also really miss Mark Hamill. I will definitely sign that petition (It might work.....)
I know what you mean, like someone mentioned earlier, it's not that I wanna see these characters all the time but we would at least like to know the Bat characters could be used if the creators wanted to.
Does anyone know when the embargo is supposed to end?
Batman's Biggest Fan
06-08-2005, 10:22 AM
^As of the moment, it's unknown... We just hope it will, that's what we're worried about.... :crying: So yeah.... *points to sig*
Harley_Quinn
06-08-2005, 10:42 AM
^As of the moment, it's unknown... We just hope it will, that's what we're worried about.... :crying: So yeah.... *points to sig*Sigh, I hope it's soon
Knight
06-08-2005, 10:56 AM
I will be highly surprised if JLU outlasts the bat embargo simply because we all know there will be a Batman Begins sequel greenlighted after this one opens.That means adding a few years to the embargo. Time is not on the JLU's side.
Batman's Biggest Fan
06-08-2005, 11:06 AM
JLU's embargo doesn't have to do with "Batman Begins" it has to do primarily with "The Batman"
Knight
06-08-2005, 11:14 AM
JLU's embargo doesn't have to do with "Batman Begins" it has to do primarily with "The Batman"
Thats even worse then. The Batman wont be going away anytime soon so The JLU still loses. Its a lost cause.
Fone Bone
06-08-2005, 12:20 PM
Thats even worse then. The Batman wont be going away anytime soon so The JLU still loses. Its a lost cause.The Batman is a Kids WB production so expect it to last 52 episodes at most. I doubt JLU will last beyond 52 episodes but if they revamp the show again it COULD potentially outlast the Embargo.
I doubt it but it's not impossible.
All-Star 1.5
06-08-2005, 12:37 PM
The Batman is a Kids WB production so expect it to last 52 episodes at most. I doubt JLU will last beyond 52 episodes but if they revamp the show again it COULD potentially outlast the Embargo.
I doubt it but it's not impossible.
I just want to add one thing. Even though TB airs on KWB, Cartoon Network also has some stake in the show. So there is a chance that TB could also get revamped in some way after it is done with its intial 52 episodes.
Knight
06-08-2005, 12:38 PM
The Batman is a Kids WB production so expect it to last 52 episodes at most. I doubt JLU will last beyond 52 episodes but if they revamp the show again it COULD potentially outlast the Embargo.
I doubt it but it's not impossible.I would say a revamp would be the only way to outlast the embargo that is unless The Batman gets revamped also.
Edit: I see All-Star 1.5 was thinking the same thing as me far as The Batman possibly getting revamped also.:p
Well the embargo is just dumb, look at all the different batmans everyone has seen. If a show is in production and has an agreement they should freely use their character. Just because Batman was given to more than 1 cartoon at a time shouldn't make one or the other stop.
JLU has like the title says unlimited potential, they can do so many things with the show that it would be a shame if they stopped it after 4 or 5 seasons. Whatever happened to shows going on for a long time, not as long as the simpsons though lol.
Fone Bone
06-08-2005, 12:45 PM
I just want to add one thing. Even though TB airs on KWB, Cartoon Network also has some stake in the show. So there is a chance that TB could also get revamped in some way after it is done with its intial 52 episodes.For some reason I don't see The Batman getting revamped. It's a much bigger disappointment than it was expected to be ratings-wise and even though the second season has been a step up in quality I would hardly call it great. Despite it airing on Toonami Kids WB has a much bigger stake in it and they are the network that is most interested in flash-in-the-pan kiddie tripe like Loonatics rather than keeping successful shows and letting them grow.
Considering the show was created for the purpose of selling toys I don't see it having much long term potential in WB's eyes.
Harley_Quinn
06-08-2005, 01:04 PM
For some reason I don't see The Batman getting revamped. It's a much bigger disappointment than it was expected to be ratings-wise and even though the second season has been a step up in quality I would hardly call it great. Despite it airing on Toonami Kids WB has a much bigger stake in it and they are the network that is most interested in flash-in-the-pan kiddie tripe like Loonatics rather than keeping successful shows and letting them grow.
Considering the show was created for the purpose of selling toys I don't see it having much long term potential in WB's eyes.
Has it done poorly in the ratings? Wishful thinking...
All-Star 1.5
06-08-2005, 01:10 PM
For some reason I don't see The Batman getting revamped. It's a much bigger disappointment than it was expected to be ratings-wise and even though the second season has been a step up in quality I would hardly call it great. Despite it airing on Toonami Kids WB has a much bigger stake in it and they are the network that is most interested in flash-in-the-pan kiddie tripe like Loonatics rather than keeping successful shows and letting them grow.
Considering the show was created for the purpose of selling toys I don't see it having much long term potential in WB's eyes.
The Batman has been doing pretty good in ratings I mean it has to be doing good the network hasn't taken it off the air since they started playing it. I wouldn't say that KWB doesn't try and let shows grow; because JCA is still on the air despite low ratings and I think that they were willing to order more episodes of Static Shock if not for the toy company scandal.
And I always thought the show was created to get kids interested in Batman again before the new movie came out, but then again I could wrong.
Style
06-08-2005, 01:15 PM
JLU's embargo doesn't have to do with "Batman Begins" it has to do primarily with "The Batman"It has to do with a combination of both.
Batman's Biggest Fan
06-08-2005, 01:55 PM
The only thing that's offlimits because of "Batman Begins" is Ra's Al Ghul and Scarecrow and I think that's it. Anyway The Batman will probably not live past 52 episodes wherelse JLU stands a chance to. I mean CN is starting to let that go as Teen Titans and Totally Spies already are past 52 episodes. And JLU's while not as good as Teen Titans are at close to those ratings from what I've heard and from what I've gathered. The Batman's been getting decent ratings, but not as good as Warner Bros. was predicting. (More than likely people just stopped watching after the first episode. It's important that first episodes be good!)
Also movies mean nothing as to how long an animated series lasts, for example:
Spider-Man: First movie? Animated Series. Second Movie? Nowhere in sight
X-Men (Evolution): First movie? There it is Second Movie? VERY soon after second movie comes out, the plug is pulled.
And while I'm at it, for some reason I don't think Teen Titans will be on Kids WB much longer....
Spidey2099
06-08-2005, 02:21 PM
Wait...The Batman may not be in continuity with Batman Begins, but it was created to accompany the movie. I would think they would be allowed to use Scarecrow on those grounds.
Fone Bone
06-08-2005, 05:00 PM
The Batman has been doing pretty good in ratings I mean it has to be doing good the network hasn't taken it off the air since they started playing it.Oh, it's doing pretty good. It's just not the Pokemon style phenomenon WB expected.
I wouldn't say that KWB doesn't try and let shows grow; because JCA is still on the air despite low ratings and I think that they were willing to order more episodes of Static Shock if not for the toy company scandal. What toy scandal? And I think Jackie Chan is the only exception rather than the rule.
And I always thought the show was created to get kids interested in Batman again before the new movie came out, but then again I could wrong.Toys, mostly. If it WAS it would probably be closer in spirit to the movie.
Batman's Biggest Fan
06-08-2005, 05:34 PM
^I agree. "The Batman" is primary made to say "Look Kids! Buy this toy!" Which is basically what Avi Arad wanted to do with "Spider-Man: The Animated Series" Instead of making a great show like John Semper wanted to, Arad was just interested in promoting toys. Because of that, when Arad talks about the story elements in the Spider-Man movies like he knows that they're essential. It makes me mad, as apparently with the animated series he was just interested in selling toys.... But I'm getting offtopic.
Anyway, like I said before The Batman started off great, but a lot of people after seeing the first episode decided they'd rather sleep in on Saturdays then get up to watch it.
Spider-Man: First movie? Animated Series. Second Movie? Nowhere in sight
X-Men (Evolution): First movie? There it is Second Movie? VERY soon after second movie comes out, the plug is pulled.Batman's Biggest Fan was making comparisons of Superhero movies and their animated counterparts, I'd just like to add:
Batman: First movie? Animated Series. Which continued on for years and due to it's growing potential had many successful spin-offs that are still running to this day. May they have many many more.
Batman's Biggest Fan
06-08-2005, 09:01 PM
Batman's Biggest Fan was making comparisons of Superhero movies and their animated counterparts, I'd just like to add:
Batman: First movie? Animated Series. Which continued on for years and due to it's growing potential had many successful spin-offs that are still running to this day. May they have many many more.
To add and correct that... SECOND movie? Animated Series. Third movie? No longer around, it was cancelled by FOX either before or after "Batman: Forever" came out, I'm unsure.
Blue Zeo
06-08-2005, 10:03 PM
To add and correct that... SECOND movie? Animated Series. Third movie? No longer around, it was cancelled by FOX either before or after "Batman: Forever" came out, I'm unsure.
Batman TAS was still on FOX when "Batman Forever" came out, they just didn't order new episodes. I think they lost the rights to the series in 1997.
Harley_Quinn
06-09-2005, 09:09 AM
Batman TAS was still on FOX when "Batman Forever" came out, they just didn't order new episodes. I think they lost the rights to the series in 1997.That's when WB got into the mix, right?
Bird Boy
06-09-2005, 09:45 AM
That's when WB got into the mix, right?
The final BTAS (The Lion and the Unicorn) episode aired on September 15th, 1995. I would assume that WB had an immediate pick up, as a design overhaul and new management would take a year or so to complete, as well as animating the first batch of episodes, as TNBA started nearly two years later on September 13th, 1997.
On the topic of The Batman's ratings, it's still doing well. I don't know if it's meeting or surpassing Kids WB!'s expectations, but it's production is already well into the third season, which says it's at least doing well-enough. And calling it a giant toy commercial is kind of generic now, since nearly every cartoon is saying "buy my toys!" now.
As for the embargo...it's odd, as some things are off limits and other things aren't. From the sounds of things, Batman Begins embargoed Ra's and Scarecrow onto both TB and JLU. TB on the other hand, embargos JLU with its villains. The more I hear about this embargo, the more it sounds like WB is more concerned with villains appearing.
Gordon appears in the 26th episode of "The Batman", and despite him being in Batman Begins, he was still allowed to appear.
The above makes me believe that some things are able to slip through. Hugo Strange appeared in JLU, despite being in The Batman. Has it ever been explicitly said that other Bat-clan couldn't appear in JLU? For that matter, the creative team obviously doesn't seem to care very much, as they have a wealth of characters to pull from other mythos.
Granted, as others have said, the team behind B:TAS should have the right to use whoever they want, but unless they really say they want to, then, again...who cares? We saw Batgirl, Robin and Nightwing's costumes in JLU, so obviously in some way they aren't completely disallowed.
Most of the "big mean embargo" hype (if you wanna call it "hype") stems from fans overreacting. People make stuff up and say one or two things that get spread around as 'confirmed rumors' which just continues to upset people. Half of the time its people making un-educated guesses and surmising the facts based upon slivers of information.
There is an embargo. Some characters are off limits. There's nothing we can do it about. It sucks, but at this stage in JLU, what is an appearance by Nightwing or Batgirl going to really do?
Maybe once Batman Begins is out of theaters, the JLU team can do the whole 'Apocalypse of '09' story in JLU, since Ra's won't be in use anymore.
Now see what I just did? I made a long post based on unconfirmed "facts" and then I made an un-educated guess and surmised from what little we know and pulled a scenario we'd like to happen straight out of my ass. It's easy to do and it's highly annoying.
In short: I'm not going to tell you guys to stop talking about the embargo. I don't care if you do; just please stop making stuff up. There's a reason I don't comment much on this embargo and that's simply because I don't know much about it. Unless everyone here has contacts on the inside of WB's offices, then I'm guessing no one else knows too much about it either.
If you're going to surmise as to how well things are doing in the ratings or add/remove characters from the embargo, then at least follow it with "this is just a guess." Unless one of the creative teams of Batman Begins, TB or JLU says it directly in an interview or something along similar lines, in which case provide a link to it.
I'm tired of extinguishing flames and closing threads because people are passing around opinions and thoughts like they're facts. The only true fact we know of this embargo is it exists. What characters are and are not included is all guess work at this point.
So did anyone hear about Batman being put in the embargo!? :mad:
-BB
jadrax
06-09-2005, 12:17 PM
It was confirmed on these forums that Dr Strange was not allowed to be used, thus having him replaced by Dr Moon. (His first apperance is pre embargo.)
It was confirmed on "you'll all be sorry" that Barbera Gordon could not be used, (Gail wanted to re introducre her back as Oracle,) she stated this was due to the embargo.
It's rumoured, that Floyd lawton could not be refered to as deadshot or placed in his costume due to the Embargo, but i haven't seen an offical source say that.
Batman's Biggest Fan
06-09-2005, 02:00 PM
^^Oh and Bird Boy, I hope you're not being serious about Batman being part of the embargo now.... Anyway the point is we all just want to see these characters in the DCAU one last time before the Timmverse is put to rest. That's all really. I mean they would just make nice additions really.
^^Oh and Bird Boy, I hope you're not being serious about Batman being part of the embargo now.... Anyway the point is we all just want to see these characters in the DCAU one last time before the Timmverse is put to rest. That's all really. I mean they would just make nice additions really.
...It was quite clearly a joke. You probably should've noticed by like, every other paragraph in his post.
As far as the Bat Embargo goes, it's not as if they don't have enough characters to use and the show sucks because Batman villains aren't in there. It's not that big a deal...
Batman's Biggest Fan
06-09-2005, 02:21 PM
^True, it's not a huge deal, but it's just something annoying that the WB did for really a stupid reason.
I would like to see Batman more though, he is such a great character. He brings so much to the table with how he is designed.
As far as the villans go, i don't care about them.
DrFate
06-09-2005, 04:03 PM
The embargo doesn't really bother me that much. Many of Batman's villains aren't the type to pull some scheme that requires more than the Bat family to handle. I was surprised when I heard about "Wild Cards" coming out way back when because Joker just didn't seem to be that big of a threat. Batman's enemies work well part of a group (Injustice Gang, Secret Society, Cadmus) but not as the main villain. The only exception I see is Ra's Al Ghul. Although I would love to see the near Apocalypse story, I won't cry if it isn't done.
ryeck
06-09-2005, 04:03 PM
I would like to see Batman more though, he is such a great character. He brings so much to the table with how he is designed.
As far as the villans go, i don't care about them.
I would like to see Batman LESS. He is overbearing, and we have seen this incarnation of the character for nearly 13 years. Let Mr. Timm and his crew explore other characters, such as The Atom, The GL Corp, Dr. Fate, etc.
Fone Bone
06-09-2005, 04:25 PM
I would like to see Batman LESS. He is overbearing, and we have seen this incarnation of the character for nearly 13 years. Let Mr. Timm and his crew explore other characters, such as The Atom, The GL Corp, Dr. Fate, etc.I'd LIKE to agree with this, I really would, but I just can't. Batman is the best written character on the show and steals EVERY dang scene he's in. He owns the screen when he's on it. Probably because since yes, the writers have been dealing with him for fifteen years they know what makes him tick and exactly how to write him. I don't think he should be used less just because he's been around for so long and should give other folks a chance to shine. In fact, I would rather they just use characters they don't really have that great a handle on (J'onn, Diana) LESS. Sure, I'd like to see 'em in big battles but J'onn is such a drip and Diana such a pill that I would trade half of their appearances for more of say, Shayera or Flash.
EJill34
06-09-2005, 04:53 PM
I would like to see Batman LESS. He is overbearing, and we have seen this incarnation of the character for nearly 13 years. Let Mr. Timm and his crew explore other characters, such as The Atom, The GL Corp, Dr. Fate, etc.While Batman appeared a few too many times last season, you'll be happy to know that he doesn't have much of a presence this season, at least not yet. So far, Canada has aired all but 3 of the episodes from JLU's 2nd season and Batman has appeared only twice. And his 2nd appearance is more of a supporting role anyway.
Batman's Biggest Fan
06-09-2005, 05:00 PM
^I'm guessing though that he'll play a major role in the remaining episodes though.
ryeck
06-09-2005, 06:20 PM
I'd LIKE to agree with this, I really would, but I just can't. Batman is the best written character on the show and steals EVERY dang scene he's in. He owns the screen when he's on it. Probably because since yes, the writers have been dealing with him for fifteen years they know what makes him tick and exactly how to write him. I don't think he should be used less just because he's been around for so long and should give other folks a chance to shine. In fact, I would rather they just use characters they don't really have that great a handle on (J'onn, Diana) LESS. Sure, I'd like to see 'em in big battles but J'onn is such a drip and Diana such a pill that I would trade half of their appearances for more of say, Shayera or Flash.
I am so sad you think J'onn is such a drip. :( :( :(
I may not love you anymore Fone :o
Batman's Biggest Fan
06-09-2005, 06:51 PM
^Just because he doesn't like a character you do, doesn't give you a reason to not like him. :shrug:
Knight
06-09-2005, 07:38 PM
Well for all you Batman haters there is no such thing as too much Batman in my book. But having said that I havent really missed him not being around.
Style
06-09-2005, 07:40 PM
Well for all you Batman haters there is no such thing as too much Batman in my book. But having said that I havent really missed him not being around.So, people suggesting that they give Batman a rest and focus on the 50 new characters on the show are automatically Batman haters? I thought they were just asking that JLU live up to it's promise.
Fone Bone
06-09-2005, 08:13 PM
I am so sad you think J'onn is such a drip. :( :( :(
I may not love you anymore Fone :oThat's okay, ryeck. Just know that my love for YOU is unconditional.:) :D
And yeah, I kinda think J'onn's a drip. Outside of Comfort and Joy I can't really think of any appearance of his I was really too fond of. According to the creator's he is supposed to be the heart of the team which is a postion they inadvertantly had filled by Flash (I say inadvertantly because if they HAD known Flash was the heart and soul of the show they never would have let him sit out a season.) J'onn's kinda mopey and broody. That's fine I guess. Batman is too. But Batman is so INTERESTING that his flaws are one of the coolest things about him. Whenever J'onn speaks I'm always afraid he's going to do some moralizing. The worst example was in Injustice For All when he tells Batman he's a valued member of the team and shouldn't feel ashamed of the fact that he has no superpowers. When he said that I felt a lot like Batman did: I REALLY wanted to hit him.
Knight
06-10-2005, 08:34 AM
So, people suggesting that they give Batman a rest and focus on the 50 new characters on the show are automatically Batman haters? I thought they were just asking that JLU live up to it's promise.
What promise would that be?
Happy
06-10-2005, 08:20 PM
I think he meant "premise" which would be exploring the lesser known characters of the DC universe and that would be pretty hard if you fill it up with Batman episodes.
ryeck
06-11-2005, 11:29 AM
That's okay, ryeck. Just know that my love for YOU is unconditional.:) :D
And yeah, I kinda think J'onn's a drip. Outside of Comfort and Joy I can't really think of any appearance of his I was really too fond of. According to the creator's he is supposed to be the heart of the team which is a postion they inadvertantly had filled by Flash (I say inadvertantly because if they HAD known Flash was the heart and soul of the show they never would have let him sit out a season.) J'onn's kinda mopey and broody. That's fine I guess. Batman is too. But Batman is so INTERESTING that his flaws are one of the coolest things about him. Whenever J'onn speaks I'm always afraid he's going to do some moralizing. The worst example was in Injustice For All when he tells Batman he's a valued member of the team and shouldn't feel ashamed of the fact that he has no superpowers. When he said that I felt a lot like Batman did: I REALLY wanted to hit him.
That's okay Fone. I still love you too :D
Anyway, I do see your point about J'onn moralizing and the scene from "Injustice For All" where he says what he says to Batman. It is a cringe-worthy moment, but I chalk it up to the learning process of the first season, and b.t. and friends were still finding their sea legs with the characters not named Batman and Superman (though their use and depowering of Superman in Season 1 is well documented). I still think J'onn is an interesting character, one who is very complex but now not likely to receive as much focus to due all the "new" league members. I agree with whoever said J'onn has changed from the original JL, and I think that has to do with his change of roles.
LeatherWings
06-11-2005, 06:36 PM
I don't care that it keeps villians from Batman, they're fates have been decided back in Beyond, the only villians that needs to be on JLU, actually a DTV would be fine is Ra's Al Ghul with the whole Apocalypse of '09 thing then its fine, and of course the Nightwing tale. But if the Embargo can allow two Gordon's, two Batman's, and if Joker is still on The Batman when Begins 2 is out: two Jokers, then why can't we see two Batgirl's or two of anyother Bat character. I mean the WB created this Embargo, yet they're saying well now we can have two Batman's no two Gordon's, they're changinf the rules to it completley, why not now here's an idea: Drop the Embargo Completley, wow now that wasn't that hard to think of yet WB doesn't even ponder this idea. Also someone needs to explain to me the whole B:TAS on Fox, was Batman originally a Fox trade-mark or what, help plz?
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