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Style
06-02-2005, 02:05 PM
Either that, or Commisioner Gordon gets into a LOT of trouble with the law.

Go back and watch "Make 'em Laugh." After Batman's fight with condiment king, the scene with Batman and Robin in the bat cave discussing Buddy Standler going off the deep end. Robin opens a newspaper to an add for the Laugh off and comments that the "laugh off is tonight." Well, go back a few frames and look at the headline on that newspaper. "Rally to be held for Gordon." Look at the picture of Gordon on the paper, and look at the name of the paper: It's the "Gotham Times."

This should instantly make Shadow of the Bat leap to mind, the episode where Gordon was falsely arrested and a rally was held for him. In fact, boot that episode up on the DVD player too while you're at it. Now, skip to the scene where Two-face, in the shadows, is reading a newspaper and tells his goon "The rally is tommorrow night: You know what to do." Now look at HIS newspaper. It's also and issue of the Gotham times. It's headline is also "Rally to be held for Gordon." It also has the same picture of Gordon on the paper. It's the same issue!

Now, I know what your thinking. "Well, maybe it was another rally." Unlikely. Because Rallies are gatherings "for a common purpose or to bring attention to a common issue." Meaning a rally is held when something is wrong and a group of people want it rectified. If this is truely a second rally for Gordon, then it seems something else awful has happened to him. And the Gotham times decided to reprint it's same front page from the previous rally. That, to me, is unlikely, especially on the second count.

But think of the other possibility: Make 'em laugh occurs concurrently with "Shadow of the Bat." Make 'em laugh occurs over a 24 hour period. From Batman's fight with the Condiment king one night to Batman and Robin's fight with Joker at Laugh off the following night. I already studied the timeline. Shadow of the Bat occurs over the period of like a week or two.

To make this fit, here's how it must have happened: Make 'em Laugh occured the day before the rally. This is the same day Batman looked in on Gordon and visited Barbara to make sure she was okay. It's possible he did both events after the events of Make 'em laugh, because he had his hands full that day. Joker was probably rounded up by 8:00 pm, Batman visited Gordon at like nine, and visited Barbara at ten. The next day, Batman went undercover as "Mugsey Malone," asked Robin to go to the rally, and Barbara impersonated Batman, thus spawning Batgirl.

Fascinating, huh? That two episodes be compressed together like that. Wonder why they put that paper in there? Must have been unintentional, but for whatever reason, those eps are tied together.

EDIT: Dammit! after checking the talkbacks for both eps, I was confident I was the first one to notice this. But just checking the World's Finest review of "Make em laugh" showed that who-ever wrote that reveiw noticed it long before I did. Boy, do I have egg on my face!:o

Harley_Quinn
06-02-2005, 02:24 PM
What can I say, you convinced me.

Joker1238
06-02-2005, 02:25 PM
I think it happen about the same time, If you pay CLOSE attention when Joker kidnaps the 3rd comic, You can hear the Riddler's commercal from Riddler's Reform.
So all 3 of these shows are link.

Fone Bone
06-02-2005, 03:12 PM
I think it happen about the same time, If you pay CLOSE attention when Joker kidnaps the 3rd comic, You can hear the Riddler's commercal from Riddler's Reform.
So all 3 of these shows are link.THAT I did NOT know. I'm going to check into Make 'Em Laugh again.

How will this all fit into my brilliant, Big-ass, but sadly irrelevant to Wake the Dead DCAU timeline list? (I'm ressurrecting it after the season finale of JLU.)

Joker1238
06-02-2005, 03:15 PM
it may be cool if we can make a time line from Batman, to Supes to JL to Batman BB lol.

Silly McGooses
06-02-2005, 03:20 PM
They probably just reused the same footage or the animators got it confused...

Squall
06-02-2005, 03:30 PM
Just reason #251 why I love continuity. :D

Style
06-02-2005, 03:51 PM
The more this thread goes on, the more embarassed I become. Not only do Fone Bone and Joker1238 treat my "shocking revelation" as common knowledge, but Joker1238 scoops me with an even more subtle connection. Oh well.

As for the Riddler's commercial, here's my thoughts. Because Gordon appeared in Riddler's Reform, it cannot take place concurrently with Shadow of the Bat/Make em laugh. But, I would say that Riddler's Reform took place shortly before the other two eps. Even though Riddler was arrested, Wakko toys, stuck with a massive toy line and contract, now with no way to move anything, decided to still air the commercials for a little bit to try to move merchandise. This proved to be bad taste, and stopped shortly thereafter.

Style
06-02-2005, 03:53 PM
They probably just reused the same footage or the animators got it confused...Oh, and it most definatly wasn't re-used footage. One shot was of Two face in his lair, the other of Batman and Robin in the Batcave. Why that front page was used is still mystery to me.

Style
06-02-2005, 04:32 PM
Sorry, there's no way they took place at the same time. In "Shadow of the Bat," Batman is CLEARLY in his original B:TAS design, but "Make 'Em Laugh" has him in his TAOB&R design. So there. There was a difference? Besides, if we've learned anything from "Static Shock," or "Mad Love," or "Old Wounds," What Batman looks like when doesn't having any bearing on the timeline. So THERE!

TimTwoFace
06-02-2005, 05:33 PM
Wow, that's some great trivia. I never knew that, and I thought I knew this series inside-out.

Crazy!

-Tim

Karkull
06-02-2005, 06:10 PM
Hmm...clever detective work. Funny you should mention "Riddler's Reform"; it reminds me of one of my old continuity theories (http://forums.toonzone.net/showthread.php?t=11703&highlight=Riddler%27s+Reform). Maybe they all happened around the same time...

Duke Psychology
06-02-2005, 08:13 PM
good job, Style 92. it's nice to know this continuity stuff and i'm glad we have someone like you who's willing to forego a pesky thing called "a life" to find them! :D

Harper
06-02-2005, 10:18 PM
Very interesting stuff. I haven't gotten the third DVD set yet, but I'll have to pay close attention to these continuity tidbits...

FALLEN ELDOR
06-02-2005, 11:20 PM
This also falls into line that the whole of BTAS/B&R happened over a two year period of time. Barbara was 18 at the beginning of the show (says the series bible) and was twenty by the time of Sub-Zero.