"House of M" Mini-Series & Crossovers Talkback (Spoilers) [Archive]

Spider-Man

06-01-2005, 07:22 AM

That's right -- the Marvel mini-series event that claims "NOTHING WILL EVER BE THE SAME AGAIN!"

HOUSE OF M #1

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WRITER: Brian Michael Bendis
PENCILS: Olivier Coipel
INKS: Tim Townsend
COVER BY: Esad Ribic

THE STORY: THE MARVEL EVENT OF THE DECADE IS HERE!! The Avengers and the X-Men are faced with a common foe that becomes their greatest threat: Wanda Maximoff! The Scarlet Witch is out of control and the fate of the entire world is in her hands. Will Magneto help his daughter or use her powers to his own benefit? Starring the Astonishing X-Men and the New Avengers!

According to Wizard, Marvel has guaranteed that at least one of the following six scenarios will be a reality when House of M wraps up in September:

1. The number of mutants living on Earth will be reduced from over 60,000 to 300 maximum, returning the X-Men to their familiar perch on the edge of extinction.

2. The Ultimate and regular Marvel Universes will merge and become one, tying in to the events of Ultimate Fantastic Four.

3. Thor, the deceased Asgardian God of Thunder, will make his triumphant return to the land of the living after kicking Magneto's tyrannical ass.

4. Dr. Strange, the only man powerful enough to stop Scarlet Witch in "Avengers Disassembled," saves the day but pays the ultimate price. He'll be replaced by Wanda, Sorceress Supreme.

5. Peter Parker is no longer married to Mary Jane.

6. Daredevil's secret identity becomes secret again.

Comments? What are your thoughts?

Chad Bonin

06-01-2005, 01:24 PM

It's a shame the book ain't coming out until Thursday, thanks to UPS.

Ya know, all of those situations seem possible.

1. The number of mutants living on Earth will be reduced from over 60,000 to 300 maximum, returning the X-Men to their familiar perch on the edge of extinction.

This has been the long-standing rumor that they were going to make mutant-kind rare again, instead of everyone and their brother. Characters like Cable, Bishop, Rachel and other time-travels would be retconned into current continuity, deleting all time/universe travellers outside of the Exiles.

2. The Ultimate and regular Marvel Universes will merge and become one, tying in to the events of Ultimate Fantastic Four.

Okay, this is the doubtful one, but I could see the Ultimate Universe being numbered Earth-617 or something, and the barriers between the worlds being more opened. IE, the Exiles could show up in the Ultimate-verse.

3. Thor, the deceased Asgardian God of Thunder, will make his triumphant return to the land of the living after kicking Magneto's tyrannical ass.

That'd be one of those sweet returns Quesada's talking about. Say, around issue 6, all the characters remember what's going on. They rally around to take down Magneto, he starts with some speech... BAM! Mjolnir across the face. Turns out that all Thor wanted, despite being dead, was to defend Earth. Magneto gave him his wish, unknowingly.

4. Dr. Strange, the only man powerful enough to stop Scarlet Witch in "Avengers Disassembled," saves the day but pays the ultimate price. He'll be replaced by Wanda, Sorceress Supreme.

Given that Dr. Strange has been doing nothing really for the past year BUT dealing with Wanda (has he even shown up in any other books except MTU?), and Wanda's been very popular as of late, I could see her being almost a Marvel version of the Spectre, a superpoweful being that could help you out... but you don't really even want things to be that dire.

5. Peter Parker is no longer married to Mary Jane.

Once again, one of those persistent rumors. I'd bet that Spider-Man: House Of M has him married to Gwen Stacy, not Mary Jane. Sure, Gwen'll be dead again by the end of the series, but maybe Peter will be so shaken and not know what he really wants for a wife that they'll break up OR never be married in the first place.

6. Daredevil's secret identity becomes secret again.

What would Matt Murdock's dream be? He'd have never been blinded, his father would have never been killed, and the Kingpin would have never risen to power. Heck, he might live in "Heaven's Kitchen". For some reason, I'm having a feeling this could seque into his potential "Ronin" New Avengers persona.

ManicWebb

06-01-2005, 03:02 PM

1. The number of mutants living on Earth will be reduced from over 60,000 to 300 maximum, returning the X-Men to their familiar perch on the edge of extinction.
Now that would be creepy. As it is, there are 100 students at Xavier's School. Dropping the number of mutants down to 300 would mean either ditching the Academy X book altogether, or simply eliminating the background characters and keeping only the 12 main characters. And let's not forget all of the X-Corp/Character Limbo folks who'll no doubt be erased from existance.

2. The Ultimate and regular Marvel Universes will merge and become one, tying in to the events of Ultimate Fantastic Four.
Not bloody likely. Marvel is making too much money off of the Ultimate Universe to risk reducing the number of titles they release by eliminating them. Besides, I don't think the Ultimate Trilogy will even be complete by the time House of M ends.

3. Thor, the deceased Asgardian God of Thunder, will make his triumphant return to the land of the living after kicking Magneto's tyrannical ass.
That would rock me like a hurricane... a thunderous hurricane.

4. Dr. Strange, the only man powerful enough to stop Scarlet Witch in "Avengers Disassembled," saves the day but pays the ultimate price. He'll be replaced by Wanda, Sorceress Supreme.
Now that I think about it, it wouldn't be all that surprising. Strange himself said that she was born with too much power, and she doesn't fully understand what she's capable of. Making Wanda the Sorceress Supreme could put her on an all-new path of learning what her limits are/aren't, and the responsibility of wielding that kind of power.

5. Peter Parker is no longer married to Mary Jane.
*loads gun*
There's only so much status quo I can accept being shaken up. Pete and MJ's semi-rocky relationship stays.

6. Daredevil's secret identity becomes secret again.
That'd be nice.

--EDIT--
Did you know the word "c-ck" is filtered? And I was totally using it as a gun reference (ie. cocking a gun)

AdamYJ

06-01-2005, 03:49 PM

1. The number of mutants living on Earth will be reduced from over 60,000 to 300 maximum, returning the X-Men to their familiar perch on the edge of extinction.
That would seriously limit certain things. The school, for one. Mutant Town for another. I'm also not crazy about the idea of retconning Cable, Bishop and Marvel Girl into regular continuity. Not that it hasn't happened before, but seeing as I'm a post-Crisis kid, I never had to see it happen to one of my favorites. The idea that they are from alternate realities or futures is part of who they are. It's really not confusing if you just let it stand at that. It's when you stress over which reality's which and try to go too in-depth into them that it's a problem. This theory has me skittish.

2. The Ultimate and regular Marvel Universes will merge and become one, tying in to the events of Ultimate Fantastic Four.
Don't really care about most of the Ultimate Universe, but I will be sort of upset if it turns out that the Avengers are retroactively made to have acted like the Ultimates for a long time.

3. Thor, the deceased Asgardian God of Thunder, will make his triumphant return to the land of the living after kicking Magneto's tyrannical ass.
He's gotta come back sometime.

4. Dr. Strange, the only man powerful enough to stop Scarlet Witch in "Avengers Disassembled," saves the day but pays the ultimate price. He'll be replaced by Wanda, Sorceress Supreme.
It would be a little weird, considering the Strange miniseries hasn't even concluded yet.

5. Peter Parker is no longer married to Mary Jane.
I like them together, so I hope it's not true. I think those two are good for each other.

6. Daredevil's secret identity becomes secret again.
Don't really care about Daredevil.

Personally, I'm just going to try reading this miniseries because Wonder Man is going to be appearing in it. I miss Simon and a lot of the other ex-Avengers. If this book is sold out before I get there, I won't really stress about it.

Sandoz

06-01-2005, 09:35 PM

1. The number of mutants living on Earth will be reduced from over 60,000 to 300 maximum, returning the X-Men to their familiar perch on the edge of extinction. I do think that the mutant population needs to be trimmed down, but 300 mutants globally? That's way too small a number. As others have pointed out, the Xavier Institute now houses almost 200 mutants (though I'm not worried about Academy X going away, since it's a fairly sucessful book and Weir and DeFilipis have said that the book isn't in jeopardy).

2. The Ultimate and regular Marvel Universes will merge and become one, tying in to the events of Ultimate Fantastic Four. Don't believe this for a minute.

3. Thor, the deceased Asgardian God of Thunder, will make his triumphant return to the land of the living after kicking Magneto's tyrannical ass. Probably quite likely.

4. Dr. Strange, the only man powerful enough to stop Scarlet Witch in "Avengers Disassembled," saves the day but pays the ultimate price. He'll be replaced by Wanda, Sorceress Supreme. Another possibility.

5. Peter Parker is no longer married to Mary Jane. Argh, no. Is there a rule somewhere that states that Reed and Sue are the only married couple in the Marvel universe that can stay together? If this happens, I'll be sorely disappointed.

6. Daredevil's secret identity becomes secret again. I like the idea of a superhero's secret identity being exposed, but I don't care too much either way.

RAINMAN

06-02-2005, 03:00 AM

1 That just being heartless.

2 I don`t like the ultimate world. The normal one is bad enogh.

3 How did he died in the first place?

4 not sure what to think of that.

5 spider fans wil destroy marvel if that pulled this stunt.

6 Not much of DD fan.

Ed Liu

06-02-2005, 11:34 AM

Howdy,

Snarky theories:

1. Mutants go from 60,000 to 300. Possible, but don't worry. If Chris Claremont stays on X-Men, that number will be back up to ridiculous heights within a few weeks. Does anybody have a reference to that 60K number?

2. Ultimate & Normal Marvel crossover. OK, the most snark I can muster is, "What's the difference now?" but I know that's not entirely true.

3. Thor comes back. And dies again within a year because there's still nobody buying his comic book.

4. Dr. Strange dies, Replaced by Wanda. I'd lean against this only because Marvel released the Dr. Strange action figure recently, with a Scarlet Witch one either out soon or just out. ToyBiz would have a fit over the loss of a licensable character. (He's also been used a lot by JMS as a deus ex machina in Spidey, and popped up briefly in Waid/Wieringo's FF run.)

5. MJ No More! Gwen Just Like You Remember Her! Yes, because "Sins Past" didn't cheese off the Spider-Man fans enough. I'd say this is also not likely unless nobody told Peter David and Mike Wieringo (which, honestly, is distinctly possible).

6. DD's Back to a Secret Identity. Dunno, someone was commenting that BMB seems to be putting things back to status quo in the title so he can hand over a nice, safe Daredevil for whoever comes next.

So, of the rumors, I'd put the most weight in a Thor resurrection and the Daredevil one.

-- Ed/Ace

Chad Bonin

06-02-2005, 10:41 PM

Well, I read it today.

... and I had apparently read half of it beforehand via Wizard and Newsarama. Let's just say... the last page? I called it.

Condiment King

06-03-2005, 12:15 AM

I'm not reading this series, but lemme just say that I hope that #6 isn't a reality because that would take away the most interesting plot element in the book, IMO.

wonderfly

06-03-2005, 12:33 AM

Are we supposed to be talking about these theories only, or can we discuss the actual book itself?

Is it just me, or was the last few pages wierd? I'm not talking about the big bright light and Peter waking up in bed with Gwen, (that's to be expected). I'm talking right before that...could anyone make out what was going on inside the church?

And why could Emma sense where they were, and not Dr. Strange? Wierd...

ManicWebb

06-03-2005, 02:08 AM

Are we supposed to be talking about these theories only, or can we discuss the actual book itself?
Discuss the book! Feel free to throw around spoilers all willy-nilly, while you're at it. I'm having a tough time finding comic books these days, and I could use the info. ;)

And why could Emma sense where they were, and not Dr. Strange? Wierd...
I'm going to take a wild guess and say it's because Emma is a more marketable character.

Ed Liu

06-03-2005, 11:05 AM

Howdy,

I'm going to take a wild guess and say it's because Emma is a more marketable character.
Or a more naked one. Everybody knows that exposing your belly button makes you more cosmically aware. It's a metaphorical "exposing yourself to the universe" kind of thing.

:p

-- Ed/Ace

Somejerk

06-03-2005, 11:31 AM

Howdy,

Or a more naked one. Everybody knows that exposing your belly button makes you more cosmically aware. It's a metaphorical "exposing yourself to the universe" kind of thing.

:p

-- Ed/Ace
So either her Belly Button or her Cleavage is her mystical third eye

jokes aside though I am picking thsi up today (if they still have it at my locla shop) and i have my fingers crossed

randomguy

06-03-2005, 05:38 PM

Well, I guess I'll take a go at Knux's kooky theories.

1. Seems plausible, although the logistical effects of such a thing are hard to imagine. For one thing, there's a decent chance there's already a couple hundred mutant characters in the Marvel Universe, so a few of 'em are gonna have to go. I'm not sure how Xavier's school would be handled in the aftermath. This one would also kind of suck because I like the way mutants are a bona-fide, certifiable ethnic minority in the current Marvel Universe, with a pervasive influence. I wouldn't gamble too much on this one, but it's not an impossibility, either.

Does anybody have a reference to that 60K number?I think that's an extrapolation, not a definite number. Many of the X-books in the last few years have mentioned that the percentage of the global population that are mutants hovers somewhere around 2-5% (interestingly, putting mutant status on roughly the same level of prevalence as homosexuality). That would mean there's around 16 million to 22 million mutants. That said, most of them were wiped out in the Sentinel attack on Genosha, which is said to have killed around 16 million people, primarily mutants. That would make the number of mutants still alive... I don't know, anywhere from 50,000 to as many as a couple million.

Phew.

2. Not a chance. This one's just lazy. The Ultimate titles sell too well to be merged into the 616 Universe and Marvel knows that. Perhaps the two universes could become more closely connected, like Earths 1 and 2 pre-Crisis, but no way they'd be smashed into one.

3. Another possibility, and this one would kick a whole lot of tush. If anybody can lay the smackdown on Magneto, it'd be Thor, and it'd be fun as all heck to see. Probably won't happen, because I'd expect Thor's return in his own title, and Marvel is probably still planning to use that take Gaiman came up with, but hey, it could happen. If we were talking the Vision, though, this would be my pick. The Vision can't possibly stay dead for much longer, and this would be a logical enough place to bring him back.

4. Dr. Strange is getting a DTV and possibly a live-action flick, so I wouldn't bet on this one. It'd be nice to see Wanda returned to hero status or depowered to a point of reason, but I don't think she's going to take the good doctor's job.

5. Seems way too silly to ever happen. Besides, Marvel already tried it, and it only made readers more pissed off.

6. Not a chance, if only because I don't think Bendis would invalidate nearly his entire run on Daredevil. If DD's secret identity is re-established, Bendis' sixty odd issues of the title almost instantaneuosly lose their point. I'd love to see it happen (I like Matt's secret identity), but it seems unlikely. Of course, gigantic, heaping retcons seem to be in style right now ("Sins Past" and David's recent The Incredible Hulk arc come to mind).

So... yeah, if I were a betting man, I'd gamble on #3 or #1.

I didn't intend to read this, but my comic shop stuck it in my box, apparently on the fairly reasonable assumption that they could put it in the boxes of anyone subscribed to New Avengers or Astonishing X-Men, and I didn't notice it until I got home.

It's okay. It's all set-up, which doesn't surprise me, but the character beats are all decent. Emma's a little cold even for Emma, and the fact that Wolverine's eating a slice of pizza while discussing killing the Scarlet Witch is pretty damn excessive.

That said, I like the dialogue between Warbird, Wonder Man, and the Falcon, and the Astonishing team is handled well. I like the Avengers' unwillingness to off Wanda, particularly Cap's resistance to the idea. Spider-Man works well as the voice of conscience, and Magneto sounds utterly exhausted and despondent, which is how he should sound.

The cast is maybe a bit too, big, though. It feels like the Wasp is underutilized, and Hank Pym doesn't get the chance to do much of anything. Particularly awkward-looking is She-Hulk, who's just sort of standing around in the back of the crowd, probably wondering when she can get back to fun misadventures in her own book....

Normally, I'd be miffed at the very idea of the Avengers and the X-Men even considering offing one of their own, particularly from Xavier. But Bendis actually sells it as a plausible development. After all, when you're dealing with a crazy person who can alter reality, putting them down is pretty much the only reasonable solution in existence.

Cliffhanger's good, too, and the opening scene is completely heartbreaking.

One thing that is truly great is the Oliver Coipel's artwork. He nails all of the characters, and really captures the scale of things. The story, from the post-apocalyptic skyline of Genosha to the sheer assemblage of power in the Avengers Tower boardroom, feels big. This book reminds me just how much better Coipel is at rendering the New Avengers than David Finch is. If Cassaday ever departs from Astonishing X-Men, Coipel could also do great on that book, because he really nails that book's cast.

Is it just me, or was the last few pages wierd? I'm not talking about the big bright light and Peter waking up in bed with Gwen, (that's to be expected). I'm talking right before that...could anyone make out what was going on inside the church?It confused me, too. Right now, I think what we're meant to understand is that when they go into the church to locate Wanda, she's not there, and then Xavier mysteriously dissappears. Emma manages to psychically locate him, and then they fly off to retrieve him... which is where Spidey goes and winds up waking up with Gwen.

Chad Bonin

06-03-2005, 11:50 PM

Now, here's the big question.

As of the end of Issue #1, everyone is in the House Of M-verse. Whether it's occuring in their head (given how the "rip" seemed to come out of Spidey's head... making it look like his head exploded) or not, we're in the new sitch.

Issue #2 obviously has some Ms. Marvel/Warbird stuff, of her being the world's greatest hero via tracking down (presumably) the world's greatest thief, Gambit.

Issue #3. Apparently the last page will "BREAK THE INTERNET IN HALF". I'm going to assume that, say, Batman or He-Man or Optimus Prime-man doesn't show up, and Marvel announces a major license or something.

What do you think will BREAK THE INTERNET IN HALF!?

Random guesses from me-

Magneto, or someone else, kills Professor X dead. Like, dead dead. Like, not gonna be cloned dead. Maybe everyone's wondering where Professor X is, and it turns out some superhero's greatest wish was that Chuck was dead. Bam, dead body.

Thor returns. It'd be really damn early in the series, but that'd be a cool last page.

The Ultimate FF show up. An issue solicitation for the "Crossover" arc says their fate lies in the hands of Magneto (who looks like 616-Magneto). Conspiculously timed, I could see an Ultimate book not being excluded from the "House Of M Tie-In!" sticker. If there is a visual image of them passing through the universal barrier (is it still the N-Zone?), we could potentially see some other alternate realities... the Powerlessverse, the Mangaverse, some of the more notable Exile and What If? verses...

It's revealed that Jarvis' food storage skills were lackluster, leading to Wanda's insanity. Thusly, the butler in a roundabout way did it.

Spider-Man

06-05-2005, 12:21 PM

Here's the coverage from the Wizard World's convention concerning House of M:

http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=5368

There are some spoilers and cover art for upcoming issues to enter at your own risk. It looks like this could be shaping up to be a cool event. I'm still skeptical about it but this first issue was alright and served as a fine introduction to the crossover though it could have been better.

DarkHawk

06-05-2005, 01:19 PM

I just hope Moonknight is involved with this event. I would love to see Marc somehow be a factor in this storyline since he was an avenger back in day. But I know this is going to be a "Spidey, Xmen, Magneto" themed event but I just hope they surprise us with some great twists.

halinar

06-07-2005, 08:50 AM

Well marvel killing anyone "dead, dead" is a joke. They don't kill anyone for anything but a sales spike.

Not a bad book, I liked the art. Really could have done with out the 12 frames with no words at the end though... More fluff to stretch the series out.

Spider-Man

06-22-2005, 07:43 AM

The second installment has arrived!

HOUSE OF M #2

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WRITER: Brian Michael Bendis
PENCILS: Olivier Coipel
INKS: Tim Townsend

THE STORY: The world turns upside-down – be here to see it happen. This series features every X-Man and Avenger you can think of!!

Comments? What are your thoughts?

DarkHawk

06-22-2005, 09:38 PM

Huge let down!!! About the only thing I liked was the art. So basically the world is ruled by Mags? Woohoo what a killer storyline.......bleh. Hopefully Bendis will write a few shockers in the rest of the books, but I am in no way buying the tie-ins anymore........unless a Moonknight ongoing is started because of it :D

Cyporiean

06-22-2005, 10:35 PM

halinar

06-23-2005, 08:23 AM

I have to agree, major let down of a book. All those pages of just quick 1 -1/2 page sum ups of what the hero types are like in this world. I forgot that this will be a 8 issue run until I looked at #2. Guess the normal 6 issues of fluff just wouldn't hold it all.

Looked at spiderman M #1 but just couldn't justify 3$ for a 5 issue alternate reality book that won't mean anything in the end.

Somejerk

06-23-2005, 08:26 PM

The timeline doesn't make much sense to me yet.. like what happened when to cause this timeline, as there was a comment about someone feeling ashamed to be a Mutant...

Both Ben Parker & Gwen Stacy being alive..

The Richards having died in the Cosmic Storm Incidient..

I await for the Exiles to come in and wipe out this Universe..
I dont think its like teh old "What if" where one thing changed its obviously a universe created to make some people happy (magneto) but perhaps just keep otehrs occupied and distracted (Captian America, Spiderman)

Chad Bonin

06-24-2005, 10:06 PM

The timeline doesn't make much sense to me yet.. like what happened when to cause this timelineMutants rose as the superior race over humans, both in physical achievement and presumably number. I'm guessing Magneto just decided to activate the X-gene in the majority of the populace soon after Namor showed up in World War II, which was Mag's origin.

Both Ben Parker & Gwen Stacy being alive..Peter Parker never wanted them to die.

but perhaps just keep otehrs occupied and distracted (Captian America, Spiderman)Captain America never wanted to be frozen in that block of ice.

Just curious, who was the "Robert" that Dr. Stephen Strange was counseling?

Fett One

06-24-2005, 11:00 PM

So far I'm enjoying this story. Getting to see what happened to the various heros that went to Genosia to see Wanda was interesting.

Just curious, who was the "Robert" that Dr. Stephen Strange was counseling?
That is Robert Reynolds. He is the Sentry, which was that guy in the yellow costume and blue cape in the first issue.

Chad Bonin

06-24-2005, 11:09 PM

Oh.

Yeah, I know who the Sentry is, just wasn't sure of his name.

wonderfly

06-30-2005, 12:59 AM

Are we allowed to discuss Spiderman: House of M here?

So far I think Spiderman: House of M #1 is better than House of M. I find it fasincating that in a world where Peter Parker has everything his heart can ever desire, things are still meant to go horribly wrong for him, (if the series is heading in the direction I think it's heading anyway). And what he did to J. Jonah Jameson was uncalled for, yet fitting for Peter. Peter is not the purest of all heroes in the Marvel universe. He's one of the most noble, but that's different from being pure, and I think what he's been shown doing to JJJ was exactly how he would behave.

The only truly bad thing about Spidey: House of M #1? The bald head. What the @#$?

RAINMAN

06-30-2005, 02:08 AM

They should have combine both Gwen&MJ into one person sense peter love them both.

Chad Bonin

06-30-2005, 02:10 AM

Well, I read both Iron Man and "Fantastic" Four today...

Chad Bonin

07-01-2005, 08:58 PM

So, with the next issue, the internet is supposed to crack in half... and I really have no freaking idea what happens.

I'd bet on it being a Magneto/Prof. X thing, or a Wolvie thing. With Magneto/Charles, I have a feeling it would be one killing (or crippling) the other, and Wolverine would be some major revelation regarding his past.

Anyone have any clue?

PaQ

07-02-2005, 06:16 PM

I finally got a chance to read Spider-Man: House of M #1. Tough relationship he has with JJJ, but I guess it's hard to blame the guy for all the crap he went through with him. It does seem like he's going to be one of the keys to the overall story, but I just can't get a grip on what House of M's purpose is going to be.

As to what will happen in #3, I wouldn't be surprised to see Magneto seen as a martyr of some type and perhaps Xavier leading the superior mutant cause.

Chad Bonin

07-03-2005, 02:06 AM

Well, Magneto IS alive in the House- he rules Genosha.

randomguy

07-03-2005, 02:11 AM

Anybody else notice that Spider-Woman is absent from the New Avengers lineup in #1? That's kind of odd... wonder if it's foreshadowing events from the next arc of New Avengers or something?

Spider-Man

07-04-2005, 12:07 PM

That's a good idea! This talkback should be for the whole crossover event. Can a mod change the title to "House of M" Crossover Talkback (Spoilers) to better suit it?

I was surprised at how good Spider-Man: House of M #1 was. Spider-Man's world has turned outmuch better in this world. His powers are a positive boon and he's had alot of success and popularity. But the great catch it that everyone thinks he's a mutant and he's not. He's just told everyone he is. I feel this stands alone very well from the main mini-series and is pretty accessible. It's a nice Elseworlds kind of tale. My only gripe is that they have both Spider-Man realizing something may be wrong in this world but sn't that Wolverine's role in the whole crossover? I like the script by Mark Waid and Tom Peyer but I'm getting really tired of Salvador Larroca's work appearing everywhere.

Xurk

07-06-2005, 10:15 AM

Much to my surprise, Spider-Man: House of M #1 fell into my mailbox yesterday. I wasn't expecting it, as you can't subscribe to it.
I guess since Spider-Man [by Jenkins] has finished its run now, they're filling up the remainder of the subscription with the House of M issues... you don't hear me complaining :)
But since the series was ending, I didn't prolong my Spider-Man membership, so I hope I get all the House of M issues before my subscription runs out...

I liked the story, it was a good read, and Peter was a real jerk! I just couldn't bring myself to like him, just like I couldn't bring myself to adjust to that bald head ;)
The only thing that bugged me was the art; it just didn't do anything for me.

I'm eagerly anticipating #2!

Spider-Man

07-07-2005, 06:40 AM

The mini-series continues!

HOUSE OF M #3

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WRITER: Brian Michael Bendis
PENCILS: Olivier Coipel
INKS: Tim Townsend

THE STORY: The world has turned upside-down and only two people know the truth. Follow Wolverine as he tries to piece together the mystery of the House of M, but first he must figure out -- who are his friends and who are foes? The last page of this issue will blow your minds and crack the Internet right in half (Marvel's words, not mine! - Spider-Man)!

Comments? What are your thoughts

Redhood

07-07-2005, 06:23 PM

No way is that gonna crack the internet in half. Just because ******* is back. Thats hardly even a cliffhanger

Singularity

07-07-2005, 06:48 PM

When I saw that last page, I laughed. I laughed for a long time.

GregX

07-07-2005, 07:55 PM

I laughed too, but probably not for the same reasons you did.

Split the internet in half? I bought the issue, was adamant on not reading spoilers, and then, when I flipped to the last page and saw Hawkeye. I laughed. I laughed for a good long time. This is not a put down of the issue at all, but after all the *****ing and moaning about Hawkeye, all the jokes Bendis made on the internet about it, like when he and Quesada talked to his spirit... I thought it was a terrific in-joke.

It was genuinly funny. I loved it.

PaQ

07-07-2005, 11:12 PM

I really liked this issue, I think it's best one so far for the mini-series. I wasn't expecting that final panel, bringing Hawkeye back wasn't even something I was thinking when all this House of M stuff came up, but I shouldn't be surprised, it makes sense to see him again. It would be nice if they could find a way to keep him around, but that depends on what House of M is all about in the end.

I found it really ironic that Wolverine would end up being the guy to remember what went on prior to HoM (Spidey only knows somethings up I think) when Wolverine can't recall his past in regular MU. I normally oppose the over-emphasization of Wolverine but I just thought the role suits him. It definitely gave the series a needed boost, especially if they're stretching the story through 8 issues, hopefully there's enough content to go around.

Fett One

07-08-2005, 04:19 PM

I found it really ironic that Wolverine would end up being the guy to remember what went on prior to HoM (Spidey only knows somethings up I think) when Wolverine can't recall his past in regular MU. I normally oppose the over-emphasization of Wolverine but I just thought the role suits him. It definitely gave the series a needed boost, especially if they're stretching the story through 8 issues, hopefully there's enough content to go around.
Oddly enough it's a three part irony.

1) As you mentioned, in the normal marvel universe all of the heroes have there memories intact except for Wolverine.
2) In this new reality no one remembers the real reality except for Wolverine
3) Everyone has fake memories of this new reality except for Wolverine.

Bearpod91

07-08-2005, 07:14 PM

Ok I just gatta say I love this new version of the marvel universe. The biggest part about it is that mutants are everyday people now and have the power and command. Magnus isn't much of a villian (from what I see he looks okay and not evil). If this was the world that Magneto wanted then well...I guess I wanted it too. Mutants everywhere flying around and living a normal life feels like everyone is a superhero in the world...which is cool. But what sucks in this new world is the sape's lives...well thats us. we're being picked around for being normal...well really what is "normal"? But now the mutants pick on the humans...before it was the other way around. humans are the freaks and the mutants are the regular majority. Well we all know this is magneto controlling Scarlet witch...But someone please answer me a question...

Where's Prof X? From #3 wolvy seems to lost in finding the Prof...Does magneto hate Xavier so much to get him out of existence?

Singularity

07-08-2005, 09:53 PM

I found it really ironic that Wolverine would end up being the guy to remember what went on prior to HoM (Spidey only knows somethings up I think) when Wolverine can't recall his past in regular MU.Eh, makes sense to me, as the House of M reality panders to the deepest desires of individuals, which includes Wolverine's desire to know his past.

Bruce Kent

07-09-2005, 02:48 AM

It would be great if Wolverine remembered back to the past he wanted to in the regular universe. It could set up nicely for Origin 2 and whatnot.

Spider-Man

07-12-2005, 07:39 AM

With the internet shattering revelation at the end of issue #3 Marvel has released the cover art to issue #4 and The Pulse #10:

http://www.newsarama.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=37917

halinar

07-12-2005, 08:42 AM

Nice covers....

I guess Clint's desire that is made into reality is not to die a horrible cheezy death.

Spider-Man

07-20-2005, 07:14 AM

Halfway through the internet shattering Marvel event!

HOUSE OF M #4

http://www.marvel.com/comics/onsale/covers/0705/hom_4_sm.jpg (http://www.marvel.com/comics/onsale/covers/0705/hom_4.jpg) http://www.marvel.com/comics/onsale/covers/uploaded/HOUSE%20OF%20M_4image_small.jpg (http://www.marvel.com/comics/onsale/covers/uploaded/HOUSE%20OF%20M_4image_big.jpg)

WRITER: Brian Michael Bendis
PENCILS: Olivier Coipel
INKS: Tim Townsend

THE STORY: The fate of the entire world rests on the shoulders of one young girl, the newest of new mutants, Layla Miller. She is about to become the most important person in the Marvel Universe and this is her first appearance. Starring the entire Marvel Universe.

Comments? What are your thoughts?

PaQ

07-21-2005, 03:43 PM

Wow.. That intensity I was feeling from Emma Frost at the end of the latest issue was crazy. I liked issue 4 a lot (not to mention the kick butt cover.) I also noticed Marvel gave the series it's own limited series label, perhaps the other issues had this but I just noticed it with this one.

The newly introduced Layla played a big part in the story, corraborating Logan's story of what the real MU is, Cage's admittance of seeing that he had a kid coming, Logan telling Hawkeye flat out he was killed by Wanda and then the whole scene of revealing the truth to Emma. My only worry for the House of M (besides the creeping thought that this will fail to keep anything and just be a what-if story) is how it'll keep up the improving story with it only being half way done. In my view the story has gotten better with each issue that's come out so far, it'd be nice if it kept that trend (if it can).

Chad Bonin

07-21-2005, 06:57 PM

I gotta agree, Emma's realization was excellent. You could feel how angry she was.

Fett One

07-21-2005, 08:07 PM

I also agree that Emma's anger at the end was neat. Wolverine's reaction to finding out that Scott was married to Emma was interesting. I'm guessing he was expecting to find Jean alive and married to Scott.

Besides Black Cat, Iron Fist, Hawkeye, Cloak, and I'm assuming Moonknight based off of Wolverine's comment, who else is apart of Luke Cage's group?

Bruce Kent

07-21-2005, 09:00 PM

Well I have Secrets of The House of M so...

Black Cat, Cloak, Hawkeye, Iron Fist, Mercedes "Misty" Knight, White Tiger & Sons of the Tiger (various characters).

Spider-Man

07-23-2005, 09:03 AM

Apparently the groundwork for Post-House of M is being laid with this issue. I do like where this is all going,. I like that Wolverine is trying to spread the word about how messed up this reality is. The moments with Emma Frost and Hawkeye were pretty excellent. This has been a pretty average mini-series so far but it looks like things are going to really start moving next month.

Also some info on the first post-House of M titles can be found at the Millarworld site:

http://www.millarworld.net/index.php?showtopic=51608&st=40

Tien85

07-23-2005, 11:38 AM

Generation M? Well that seems a bit interesting, the Wolverine year long arc sounds cool too, thanks for the info.

guerillacropoli

07-25-2005, 09:48 AM

The cover with Hawkeye and the fighter planes doesn't really make sense, does it? Hawkeye can't fly, so is he just free falling to his demise?

wonderfly

07-25-2005, 04:57 PM

Is it okay to talk about Fantastic Four: House of M, and Iron Man: House of M as well?

I don't know what to make of those two titles...If Magneto has created the ultimate happy world for our heroes to live in, then how do you explain those two miniseries?

Iron Man is miserable, (apparently he wished his father was still alive, but his father's a @#$%), and the FF is dead...I'm left wondering what the FF's deepest desire was, that ended up with them getting killed.

Singularity

07-25-2005, 11:02 PM

I postulated that it was due to other people wanting things contradictatory to other people's desires, and the one with stronger wills won out, like Doom wanting the Fantastic Four dead, dead, and dead.

InfinityBlade

07-27-2005, 11:55 AM

Xurk

07-28-2005, 12:36 PM

I just received "Spider-Man: House of M" #2 of 5 in the mail today [which pleased me, as I only received #1 two weeks ago and normally I'm a few weeks behind the USA release dates], and I'm liking the mini-series :)
It's great to have a "What If..." type of story worked out in so many issues, it really gives you a chance to get used to and actually start to like / hate the characters. I like the art and Spidey's outfit is pretty cool, although I'm missing a spider on it, there's not one curently.

For a moment there, I was thinking that the altered reality was going to slip back into the normal one, as it appeared Gwen was going to die from falling off a bridge / Spidey trying to save her [though it appeared to be a movie scene] and MJ seemingly making a move on Peter.
Peter Parker is still a prick, and it appears he never does any superheroing. Him putting on the suit only to promote his movie was also annoying [but this is good characterization here!].

I sort of disliked the ending of the comic, as I think the remaining parts will be too similar to the normal comics, with the "Spidey-down-on-his-luck" elements that will inevitably roll out of this ending, while I'm enjoying reading a radically altered storyline.

Singularity

08-01-2005, 07:06 PM

Lying in the Gutters (http://www.comicbookresources.com/columns/index.cgi?column=litg) confirms that the major change is:
número uno.

Spider-Man

08-10-2005, 10:43 AM

The truth...is revealed?

HOUSE OF M #5

http://www.marvel.com/comics/onsale/covers/uploaded/HOUSE%20OF%20M_5image_small.jpg (http://www.marvel.com/comics/onsale/covers/uploaded/HOUSE%20OF%20M_5image_big.jpg)

WRITER: Brian Michael Bendis
PENCILS: Olivier Coipel
INKS: Tim Townsend

THE STORY: The comic event of the decade continues. The Marvel Universe has indeed been rocked to its very core and more and more rebels join to rise up against what has happened. But can Spider-Man handle the truth about his life as it is and his life as it was? The fallout will shock you! Also, the rebels have gathered and are ready to fight! But who is behind the House? Guest-starring EVERYONE!!!

Comments? What are your thoughts?

xokxtrunks

08-10-2005, 11:22 AM

Ok guys, I took a short break from the Marvel comic series, and I stopped right before House of M #1 was released, could someone catch me up? and is it any good?

SpiderPunk

08-12-2005, 02:10 AM

I'm really starting to get into this. Everything's coming together and things are finally starting to get moving. I thoguht that Pete's reaction to teh whole thing was great. His just total colapse, I was a little scared of House of M, but now I'm really starting to dig it.

Singularity

08-12-2005, 09:07 PM

Wow; that was just- ugh. Just put Layla in front of anybody and they'll regain their memories! A versatile deus ex machina, to be sure.

In all honesty, it feels as if Bendis spent a long time or so perfecting the conflict of the story, and came up with Layla as an afterthought when he realized that he had a deadline. At least Day of Vegeance used a pre-established character.

DarkHawk

08-12-2005, 09:28 PM

Ya man, its pretty weak on how everyone remembers. I was hoping for something a little more creative myself. This crossover better change something major forever or it will be a huge let-down imo:sad:

Stu

08-14-2005, 06:12 PM

I couldn't help but feel for Peter after finishing this issue. Whilst the book hasn't been impressing me that much, I've been enjoying it, but I think Peter's losses coming crashing down on him has been the highlight of the mini so far.

Having said that, after this, I hope they give the poor guy a break. Between this, losing his job and the mess that was Sins Past, I think it's time Peter got some good news.

wonderfly

08-15-2005, 01:41 AM

Yeah, I think Peter hit the nail on the head when he said, "Just how much crap am I supposed to have to take in this life?!!"

I loved the 2 page spread wherein Peter remembers his true past. Notice how Coipel adapts the artstyle of artists from the past. J. Jonah Jameson looks very Steve Ditko-ish to me, and the Kingpin looks very much like it was done by John Romita Sr.

Hey, quick question: House of M #5, page 6, panel 4...who are the two figures on both ends? One of them is Danny Rand, (Iron Fist), because they both have blond hair, but I'm not sure...

Spider-Man

08-16-2005, 01:57 PM

Wondering how House of M is supposed to fix that Xorn/Magneto situation? Lying in the Gutters (http://www.cbr.cc) reveals the solution to the problem which is below in the spoiler space.

It turns out Wanda has been keeping both Magneto and Xavier alive for years now. So everytime they "died" she subconsciously used her powers to keep them alive. Once House of M ends that will all change. So that means either both Magneto and Xavier won't survive the mini-series or they're on their last life.

That's the best explaination I could come up with out of the column's rumor. And does this solution honestly make any sense?

Spider-Man

09-08-2005, 10:23 AM

The story continues!

HOUSE OF M #6

http://store1.yimg.com/I/wizarduniverse_1860_62116801 (http://store1.yimg.com/I/wizarduniverse_1860_62054166)

Written by: Brian Michael Bendis
Penciled by: Olivier Coipel
Cover by: Esad Ribic

The comic event of the decade continues. The Marvel Universe has indeed been rocked to its very core and more and more rebels join to rise up against what has happened. But can Spider-Man handle the truth about his life as it is and his life as it was? The fallout will shock you! Also, the rebels have gathered and are ready to fight! But who is behind the House? Guest-starring EVERYONE!!!

Comments? What are your thoughts?

halinar

09-08-2005, 08:25 PM

The fall out? Maybe I missed something or they were not talking about this issue... jack for fall out. Just lots fluff.

The 4 pages with out a single word of dialog didn't help matters either.

SpiderPunk

09-12-2005, 01:34 PM

It wasn't the best issuse. halinar was right when he said that it was a lot of fluff . Although I like how hard Spidy is taking it, cause I think out of all the heros Spidy would take it the hardest. Also, the moment when Luke called Jessica was sad. Those were best moments...

Redhood

09-12-2005, 05:33 PM

I love how spidey is taking this its very realistic. think about it. your old grilfriend that was murdered becaus eof you is back your uncle who was like a father to you is back your not with your wife. I'm glad to see that they showed this.

King_of_doom

09-12-2005, 08:43 PM

Yeah i know poor Peter and we dont know whats goanna happen in the last two issues and wait for the other crossover thats its going to be after House of M ends.

Spider-Man

10-12-2005, 06:14 AM

The final month of House of M begins!

HOUSE OF M #7 (of 8)

http://marvel.com/comics/onsale/covers/uploaded/HOUSE%20OF%20M_7image_small.jpg (http://marvel.com/comics/onsale/covers/uploaded/HOUSE%20OF%20M_7image_big.jpg)

WRITER: Brian Michael Bendis
PENCILS: Olivier Coipel

THE STORY: The staggering conclusion to the Marvel event of the decade starts here. The heroes have gathered around the forces of the House of M. But who was really responsible for these heinous crimes against humanity?? And will the world ever be the same again?

Comments?

Redhood

10-12-2005, 04:53 PM

I called it!!!!!!:D

Furious Nick

10-12-2005, 11:29 PM

I was glad to see this turn out the way it did. I love the way they handled most of the characters thus far. And the fall out from this mini-series will be most interesting, even if it means that some of my favorite characters may not have survived. Much, Much better than I expected it would have been. I hope that Marvel does not cop-out on this in the end, and delivers as advertised.

King_of_doom

10-13-2005, 09:46 PM

I like House of M more than Infinite Crisis(the only one that was cool was Villains United) i dont remember someone mention that Magneto didnt create house instead it was Quicksilver, i guess it was right.

Ed Liu

10-14-2005, 10:34 AM

Howdy,

Marvel just had a press conference about Decimation, the event that will follow House of M. Newsarama.com has an exhaustive and possibly spoileriffic summary (http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/Decimation/pressconference.htm). Dig in.

-- Ed/Ace

Spider-Man

10-16-2005, 02:19 PM

I wil say the part where Wanda says "No more mutants" really gave me chills but aside from that and a couple neat scenes this issue was just a letdown. I thought there was also some really weak artwork in here too. And Quicksilver being the person responsible for all of this is predictable but it was still well-written. Bendis really ticked off Magneto was excellent though.

Spider-Man

11-02-2005, 05:49 AM

The conclusion has arrived! Will it live up to the hype?

HOUSE OF M #8

http://marvel.com/comics/onsale/covers/1005/HOM008_flcov_sm.jpg (http://marvel.com/comics/onsale/covers/1005/HOM008_flcov.jpg)

WRITER: Brian Michael Bendis
PENCILS: Olivier Coipel

THE STORY: Here it is! On the heels of last issue’s revelations and the jaw-dropping action taken by a key player in the House of M comes the shocking conclusion that will rock the Marvel Universe for years to come. This is no hype, my friend, this is the real deal. How will the heroes of the Marvel Universe deal with the consequences of one person’s actions? How will the world react to the permanent damage that has been done? Find out here!!! Starring everyone!!! Part 8 of 8.

Comments?

Spider-Man

11-02-2005, 07:27 PM

That was underwhelming. After eight months of build up this is what happens? A long and muddled story with a disappointing conclusion. Now it wasn't a complete letdown but this series definitely did not live up to the hype. I was hoping for an impact but all this felt like was just another prelude to another set of miniseries which we'll be getting soon enough.

At least on the plus side this saved alot of work for Ord from the Breakworld.

AdamYJ

11-02-2005, 07:56 PM

Meh.

Hawkeye's back, which I like. They depowered Iceman, Wind Dancer and probably Jubilee, which I don't like.

At this point, the bad is outweighing the good.

SpiderPunk

11-02-2005, 11:03 PM

Yeah it was a bit of an a let down. Which really sucks, I don't know I liked the book, but now I'm kind of like "that's it?" I kind felt like there should be more, but at the same time I wanted a great conculsion and I didn't get it. I mean it wasn't bad, just not what it was hyped to be.

randomguy

11-02-2005, 11:15 PM

Well, I'll be sure to pop back in here with my thoughts on the entire event shortly, but for the sake of convenience, let's take a moment and survey the post-House of M Marvel Universe as it currently stands:

-The vast majority of the mutant population is now depowered, including Wind Dancer, Iceman, and Magneto. The latter two are guaranteed not to stick. Presumably we'll get a fuller idea of who remains with (or without) powers in the coming months.

-The impact of this removal of the mutant population on Xavier's school, which now has little if any presumable reason to exist, is unknown. How and why the school will operate from here is anyone's guess.

-Hawkeye has returned to life, presumably resurrected by Wanda Maximoff when she returned Earth to (relative) normalcy. I imagine she did this to atone for her slaughter of him in "Avengers Disassembled". The Vision has already returned, while there's no good reason (in the context of the story) that she wouldn't also bring back Scott Lang. The real reason, of course, is that nobody really cares about Scott Lang. Hawkeye's whereabouts are unknown.

-Charles Xavier's whereabouts, if he's still alive, as well as the status of his powers, are unknown.

-The vast majority of the Marvel Universe does not remember the House of M. The exceptions include everyone who fought in the closing battle against Magneto. This means Captain America, Iron Man, the Sentry, the Wasp, Hank Pym, Storm, the Black Panther, and many of the other heroes for whom these events would have been extremely relevant will not recall them. Those who do recall include the Astonishing X-Men team, Spider-Man, Layla Miller, Luke Cage, Spider-Woman, Warbird, Nightcrawler, Rogue, Daredevil, Cloak, She-Hulk, and a few assorted others.

-Pietro Maximoff's status is unknown.

-Wanda Maximoff is living alone, presumably de-powered or (possibly) with her powers now under control.

-It's not really clear why some mutants escaped Wanda's "No More Mutants" credo.

And that's what I've got. Anyone else who can chip in is quite welcome.

AdamYJ

11-03-2005, 05:31 PM

-Hawkeye has returned to life, presumably resurrected by Wanda Maximoff when she returned Earth to (relative) normalcy. I imagine she did this to atone for her slaughter of him in "Avengers Disassembled". The Vision has already returned, while there's no good reason (in the context of the story) that she wouldn't also bring back Scott Lang. The real reason, of course, is that nobody really cares about Scott Lang. Hawkeye's whereabouts are unknown.

I'm reasonably certain that the primary reason that Scott wasn't brought back was because Marvel would rather follow what his daughter Cassie is doing after his death now that she's a Young Avenger in her own right. Also, Scott and Wanda weren't particularly close while Wanda and Clint went back a long ways.

EinBebop

11-03-2005, 07:34 PM

I didn't follow this series; I just flipped through. Why did Spider-man seem a little burnt?

Somejerk

11-03-2005, 11:01 PM

-It's not really clear why some mutants escaped Wanda's "No More Mutants" credo..
Back when I frist heard that only a few mutants would remained powered I figured it would be the few that whole heartedly wanted to be mutants deep down maybe bobby, Magento and everybody else just wanted to be normal. Her misguided way of trying to give everyone what tehy wanted again.

Of course the real reason is you need some of our super powered mutant favs around. We can't have cyclops jump on roof tops throwing boomerangs or Kitty only walking through walls when she has a chainsaw and lets face it all of nightcrawler's charm is in his tail.

P.S.
I still havent picked up the final issue yet, i'm going to tomorrow, so my theories could be 100% off.

Web Head

11-04-2005, 12:05 PM

I didn't follow this series; I just flipped through. Why did Spider-man seem a little burnt?When Scarlet Witch remade the world, Uncle Ben was alive and he was married to Gwen Stacy with a son. When he found out none of it was real, he kinda snapped (saying he would kill Wanda).

Wanda basically gave many of the heroes their "heart's desire". So now he has to face Mary Jane knowing that deep down he wanted Gwen above all.

EinBebop

11-04-2005, 02:50 PM

So now he has to face Mary Jane knowing that deep down he wanted Gwen above all.OUCH. Yeah, now I understand why he'd want his mind wiped.

Spider-Man

11-05-2005, 01:39 PM

I think the only thing I want to see more of is Xavier's fate and how Wolverine is going to live with himself after finally discovering his entire life. His "I know everything" was pretty powerful.

And I wonder how much longer it'll be until they power up Magneto again and bring back Phoenix. X-Men 3 is just around the corner.

Bearpod91

11-05-2005, 06:37 PM

This might be the wrong place to ask this...it might not be even revealed but...

Who are the 198 still existing mutants? From what I know of it...Wolverine, Nightcrawler, Emma, Cyclops, Shadowcat, Bishop...is that it?

AdamYJ

11-05-2005, 08:46 PM

Spider-Man

11-06-2005, 08:11 AM

OUCH. Yeah, now I understand why he'd want his mind wiped. If they actually play this up in the comics once the The Other crossover is done we could see some major changes for the characters. I don't think Spider-Man and Mary Jane will be splitting up anytime soon but this would really add another difficult problem for the couple to overcome. Then again I don't think Spider-Man is going to tell Mary Jane at all. If Strange can't remove his memories about House of M this could become some very emotional stuff. It'd be great if Marvel does stick close to these potentially big changes changes for both Spider-Man and Wolverine. Plusit's great that there may be some actual direction to the X-Men comics for the first time in years.

Bubblegum Girl

11-09-2005, 12:30 AM

Man the ending sucks. Almost all of the mutants are gone. :sad: I hope the writers know what they're doing. If this doesn't go well with the fans, how will they be able to fix it?

EinBebop

11-09-2005, 12:53 AM

If this doesn't go well with the fans, how will they be able to fix it?The writers will wave their magic Wanda.

Ed Liu

11-10-2005, 09:58 AM

Howdy,

House of M Post Mortems Part I (http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/Decimation/HoMPostMortem01.htm) and Part II (http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/Decimation/HoMPostMortem02.htm). Dig in.

The writers will wave their magic Wanda.
:D

-- Ed/Ace

Xurk

11-10-2005, 03:35 PM

Very nice read!
And good food for thought :)

Ed Liu

11-21-2005, 04:52 PM

AdamYJ

11-21-2005, 05:13 PM

Howdy,

Son of M #1 (http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=6225) preview.

Coming soon: Daughter of M, Second Cousin Once Removed of M, and Wacky Uncle Morty of M that Nobody Talks About and Everybody Tries to Avoid at Weddings.

-- Ed/Ace

Y'know what's funny? They throw around the name "M" an awful lot, but very little of this has to do with Monet St. Croix.

Spider-Man

02-01-2006, 10:50 AM

For those who haven't read it yet the trade for House of M comes out this week.

HOUSE OF M

http://www.marvel.com/comics/onsale/covers/0206/hom_tpb_sm.jpg (http://www.marvel.com/comics/onsale/covers/0206/HOM_TPB.jpg)

WRITER: Brian Michael Bendis
PENCILS: Olivier Coipel

THE STORY: THE MARVEL EVENT OF THE DECADE IS COLLECTED HERE! The Avengers and the X-Men are faced with a common foe that becomes their greatest threat: Wanda Maximoff! The Scarlet Witch is out of control, and the fate of the entire world is in her hands. Will Magneto help his daughter or use her powers to his own benefit? Starring the Astonishing X-Men and the New Avengers! You know how sometimes you hear the phrase: AND NOTHING WILL EVER BE THE SAME AGAIN? Well, this time believe it, buster! NOTHING WILL EVER BE THE SAME AGAIN! Collects HOUSE OF M #1-8 and THE PULSE SPECIAL EDITION.

Comments?

Stu

02-01-2006, 04:14 PM

Sandoz

02-01-2006, 05:00 PM

We're what, 5 months are the event now? Has much of anything changed? I don't read X-Men, but I'm willing to bet that Magneto and Iceman already have thier powers back and the interesting events from Spider-Man took a backseat to this Other nonsence that's plagued his books for 4 months. Iceman does have his powers back (He conveniently lost only his secondary "all ice" mutation) but Magneto is still depowered. Quicksilver, however, has gotten his powers back via the Terragon Mists (which admittedly was a clever idea).

The only member of the current X-Teams to lose their powers was Polaris, and she's a B-lister at best. I had hoped that Marvel would actually have the courage to mess with some of the major, overexposed X-Men, but no. Instead, a lot of underused characters with unrealized potential (Chamber, Moonstar, Jubilee, half of the students in New X-Men) were sacrificed instead.

As for Spider-Man, you might want to check out the Son of M miniseries. Even though it's about Quicksilver, the first issue does have a few scenes with Spider-Man that deal with his personal House of M drama.

Seems this was a waste of time and money. Well done Marvel. My sentiments exactly.