Batman: TAS

[The New Batman]

I think the Batman:TAS episodes were shown out of order. For example, On Leather Wings, which is supposedly the first episode, the cops know about Batman, but Pretty Poison, shown later, the cops don't know about Batman. This is proven when Montoya doesn't believe the crook he saw Batman. "Big wings, yeah right." What's up with this? Also, why do some people say On Leather Wings is the first episode and others say Cat and the Claw? So many questions, so many questions!

[batwing53]

He's right. They are out of order. Pretty Poison and On Leather Wings is a perfect example of how they are out of order. **SPOILERS AHEAD FOR PEOPLE WHO HAVEN'T SEEN BATMAN BEYOND: RETURN OF THE JOKER*
Also, with the current JLA storyline are we sure that the Joker is "dead" yet? Or that Tim Drake has been transformed into JJ? There seems to be no continuity between JLA and B:TAS. Batman & Supes, in "Secret Origins" however acted like they had met before. But Flash and Batman sorta didn't.
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Lex Luthor: "You--you double crossed me!"
Bruce Wayne/Batman: "I learned from you."
-KINGDOM COME

[Clayface]

On Leather Wings was the first episode produced, and it was not necessarily out of order. Some cops believe in the Batman, some don't. Some have run into him, some haven't. In Pretty Poison, Motoya hadn't had any run-ins with the Bat, so she thought the criminals were just nuts or really screwing up what they saw. This doesn't mean that other cops on the force hadn't heard of Batman or knew of him.

The Joker is not dead in the JL series - he will be showing up in the series, in fact. BB is considered only a possible future for the Batman series, not the definitive one. ROTJ may or may not happen in the BTAS/JL universe. Timm and company have also stated in interviews that they're not sticklers for continuity, and that most likely things that you see in the JL series may conflict with the continuity of the Batman and Superman animated shows.

[ZorBrak]

BB is considered else worlds...for now...bruce Timm and the creative teams at WB animation do not know if they will connect JL with BB yet or not, but for now they are just going to stay away from the subject...possibly throughout the entire show, so believe what you want, to me this is another path the storyline could have taken, to me this is the real path and I always considered the video game Batman: Vengence to be the first part of this new branching plot line, the "real" one in my opinion, BB is a "what if?" kinda deal, sort of like when wolvie killed everyone in the marvel universe...

[optimal321]

On Leather Wings was the pilot. It was the first made and was thus labled as episode number one.

The Cat and the Claw was just the first ep that Fox aired.

[Justice League 2000]

i think your right new batman they were out of order. i know which episode should air first pretty poison because 9 years ago.
the first time i saw BTAS the first episode air was the cat and the claw. and the next day was a second episode called leather wings. I don"t know why they went out of out why? :yakko:

[James Harvey]

Cartoons are rarely aired in episode production order. Networks, like FOX and WB, usually just air random episodes, although they occasionally do try to pay attention from time to time. Batman: TAS aired out of order. Superman: TAS aired out of order. Batman Beyond aired out of order. If you watch the episode In order, you may probably get a stronger semblence of continuity. So far, Justice League is being aired in order, but Cartoon Network almost always airs their shows inorder.

It happens. Cartoons are aired out of order 99% of the time.

[Clayface]

Originally posted by Dick Grayson
If you watch the episode In order, you may probably get a stronger semblence of continuity.

That depends - what do you consider "in order"? Production order would be more confusing, wouldn't it? Isn't production order the order that splits up many of the two-parters?

[James Harvey]

The two-part problem can be easily fixed, as Cartoon Network has shown us. The two part episodes can simply be aired as back-to-back, even if made out of order. Since the episodes take place basically at the same time, then it won't effect any continuity other episodes have established y having them air side by side.

[Clayface]

Right, but then "production order" isn't technically in order either.

[James Harvey]

Production order is the right order. But sometimes two part episodes don't get done at the same time as scheduled. Some do, and are placed in the right order (Feet of Clay) and others aren't (Robin's Reckoning). I consider production order to be the proper order. I don't consider two parters a problem becuase I know the two parters take place togethor.

[Clayface]

Hehe. Right, but my point was, since you have to move around the two-parters in the "produciton order", you're technically not sticking to "production order" anymore - you're doing a modified production order. If you stick strictly to "produciton order" then they're out of order! ;)

[James Harvey]

Originally posted by Clayface
Hehe. Right, but my point was, since you have to move around the two-parters in the "produciton order", you're technically not sticking to "production order" anymore - you're doing a modified production order. If you stick strictly to "produciton order" then they're out of order! ;)

Well then "modified production order" it is, but you get the idea. I don't follow the airdates, becuase they really air episodes out of order. I remember in the first seasonof Batman Beyond there was an ep where Terry and Dana broke up (it wa slike episode #9) and then they were back togethoer the next week (for episode #5 or 6). I just really think that throws it all off. Granted, the same thing might have happened if they kept to production number, but still.

[Clayface]

Originally posted by Dick Grayson

I don't follow the airdates, becuase they really air episodes out of order.

To be honest, I've never really tried watching it in production order or in air-date order - I usually just watch whatever episode comes to mind at the time. But I do remember watching it back when the series (B:TAS) originally aired, and I never noticed any glaring continuity errors or anythign like that.