American Dragon Jake Long "Ski Trip" talkback.

[I.R Joey]

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Welcome to the talkback thread for the new American Dragon Jake Long episode "Ski Trip". Apparently Jake and his classmates are off to the mountains this week, for fun in the snow. But like always, there's got to be a catch because every cartoon high school superhero show has to have one.
What I'm really excited about though are the exciting rumors that this new episode is the big one, in regards to the Jake/Rose romance. It should be interesting to see how things pan out in this one. So enjoy the episode and get back here when it's done to talk about it.

By the way I thought it would be interesting to have a diffrent picture up this week. Hope you liked it.

[Quarter-Dragon]

Have to say, it was well done. Professor Rotwood's constant aches and pains, Spud's marriage to the ski lift, The Bradster getting all sensitive, and Rose doing one handed push-ups, they all made my day, and finally the bit between Jake and Rose, well, you'll all just have to watch it won't you. ;)

Will reply next time with my favorite quotes, just thought I'd give those who haven't watched it yet a little teaser.

[creativerealms]

So Rottwood's Prison stay was very short. I wonder if there was an episode where he was released. You would not know with how Disney airs the episodes.

[AG_Markov]

This was by far one of the best done cartoon episodes of any series for a long time. The writers just hit the nail on the head. The story was fresh, there was humor and drama. My heart was beating for poor Jake! The ending was also very far from cliche, which is a very nice supprise! Iv always liked this show, now I have much respect for me! Dragon Up!!

Anybody wanna RP over AIM?
shiftingearth

[I.R Joey]

Well I just got through seeing the late showing and I think it's safe to say that this is the best episode of the show to date. I really liked the way they did the start of the episode with Rose and Jake on their first date and the snowman. Spud's obsession with the snow lift was great (I loved the scene with his kids having lift bodies, and human heads). Another nice little bit was Brad's sensetivity. I loved him squeezing out the tear. THe montoge at the end was a nice touch too.

My one real complaint though was one about the general series plot though.
I think that they may have played the card of Jake finding out about Rose's secret way to early in the shows run. I mean this is what episode 15 of the shows run? This revelation really should have been used during a multiparter or a T.V movie (similar to Kim Possible's a Sitch in Time or one of the multiepisode storys from the Disney Afternoon in the early 90's). I think the writers really missed a big opportunity by not actually having Jake and Rose offficially dating as a couple (at least in a high school sense) before doing this. It would have really added alot of drama to the story, and it would have made Jake's denial alot more believable and emotional. Another thing I really would have liked to see was more backstory on Rose. I understand that all Huntsclan members have to kill a dragon in order to be initiated, but I would have really liked to see a story about Rose being obsessed with killing a dragon, perhaps one killed her parents (and this could have tied into the whole Dragon Council conspiracy story established in Dragon Sumit, perhaps the Dark Dragon or his spy (I think the Korean Dragon) killed her parents and that causes her to really hate dragons. Her falling for Jake would have had alot of irony, that would have really added to the show.

Well before I start to sound like TusconCoyote in one of his Kim Possible analysis thesis (he knows I'm joking), I'll wrap it up. This episode gets a 9 outta 10 for me. I dock a point because again I think the writers blew a huge opportunity in the plot.

[Quarter-Dragon]

I have to agree with you when you say they played the card to early I.R., but think about it. A lot of paths can be taken from here; for instance Rose could try and understand why Jake is avoiding her and in so doing discover's the American Dragon's secret, she would then have a dilemma on her hands and a huge decision to make. Just an example, but the writers can still build on this. We really don't know what the writers are thinking and hopefully they have it all planned out. Hopefully.

[I.R Joey]

I have to agree with you when you say they played the card to early I.R., but think about it. A lot of paths can be taken from here; for instance Rose could try and understand why Jake is avoiding her and in so doing discover's the American Dragon's secret, she would then have a dilemma on her hands and a huge decision to make. Just an example, but the writers can still build on this. We really don't know what the writers are thinking and hopefully they have it all planned out. Hopefully.
Well there are alot of paths they can take from here, that's why I am kind of excited about where the show will go from here. How How will Rose take Jake's distancing himself from her? How will Rose react to finding out Jake's a Dragon? If the writers play it right this could be really, really good. But that is assuming that the writers keep the thrust of the story from becoming to boring, and dull.

[Uncle Beaglebub]

8/10. I liked the ep and woulda gave it a 9, but I think Rotwood's streak of injuries were just too much. His accidents were funny slapstick, and it fits the series well. But actually *hearing his bones breaking* was too harsh for me.

This was a pivotal episode for the series, and it was surprising how many great plot moments there were. Jake knows about Huntsgirl, but she doesn't know about his secrets yet. It was heartbreaking to see Jake discover Rose's true identity, after growing closer. It was just at the moment when he trusted her enough to reveal his secret. But, now he knows he may never be close to her. I wonder what Rose would think if she knew Jake is a Dragon? Will her hatred of dragons change if she discovered someone she likes is one in disguise?

Spud made my day again. That bizarro romance sequence with the ski lift chair freaked me out! And he tackled Huntsgirl too, that was awesome.

[I.R Joey]

So Rottwood's Prison stay was very short. I wonder if there was an episode where he was released. You would not know with how Disney airs the episodes.
Yeah I was wondering that, wasn't he in prison the last time we saw him? Did the writers just ignore that or did Disney skip an episode that explains when he got out?

[kzanth]

To be honest about Rottwood's prison experience...yeah, it was just ignored and assumed that he eventually was released. And somehow still managed to retain his teaching position despite having a criminal record. Cartoon logic and whatnot.

[Zero-V]

A five-part story would have sufficed, but that has'nt happened in a long time with Disney series, only K.P broke that record of multi-part neglegence, and even then, "A Stitch In Time" was only three episodes.

But then, Gargoyles often changed status quoes early in the series' run, so does Buffy, it's not something completly new, and you can argue this will only draw in an audience, keeping it as "safe" as it was with neither knowing the others' identity would have gotten repetitive. Jake is not like your typical Disney series, there's a story being told here consistently rather than sparingly.

[I.R Joey]

A five-part story would have sufficed, but that has'nt happened in a long time with Disney series, only K.P broke that record of multi-part neglegence, and even then, "A Stitch In Time" was only three episodes.

But then, Gargoyles often changed status quoes early in the series' run, so does Buffy, it's not something completly new, and you can argue this will only draw in an audience, keeping it as "safe" as it was with neither knowing the others' identity would have gotten repetitive. Jake is not like your typical Disney series, there's a story being told here consistently rather than sparingly.
Yeah I think this show would really profit from using the Gargoyles playbook. With flashbacks into the pasts of diffrent charecters, and just in general underlining why people act they way they do. And, I agree with you that it would have got repetative if Jake and Rose didn't know one anothers secrets for the remainder of the series it would hvae got boring. I just think they played this card to early, I would have liked to see this revelation maybe halfway through the 65 episodes.

[AG_Markov]

Honestly I think they had the realization early on purpose. Sure, if Jake and Rose had dated and then found out it would add to the drama- but you do have to concider their target audience.

Because their paths are so different, unless Rose changes what she is (because obviously Jake cannot) theres really no real future for the two of them. Why hipe up a popular couple (that was popular in the fandom before it even offically got off the ground) if they're just going to break it up. That might not do too well for rateings. It will be interesting to see if Rose does the disney turn around, or stays evil to the end. Honestly this show isnt very predictable which is why it rocks!

By the way. I did a piece of FanArt from this episode. ^^;
Dragons Don't Cry.jpg (http://kndunite.012webpages.com/DDC.jpg)

[I.R Joey]

Honestly I think they had the realization early on purpose. Sure, if Jake and Rose had dated and then found out it would add to the drama- but you do have to concider their target audience.

Because their paths are so different, unless Rose changes what she is (because obviously Jake cannot) theres really no real future for the two of them. Why hipe up a popular couple (that was popular in the fandom before it even offically got off the ground) if they're just going to break it up. That might not do too well for rateings. It will be interesting to see if Rose does the disney turn around, or stays evil to the end. Honestly this show isnt very predictable which is why it rocks!

By the way. I did a piece of FanArt from this episode. ^^;
Dragons Don't Cry.jpg (http://kndunite.012webpages.com/DDC.jpg)
Well that's what I'm saying it would have given it a sort of inevitable tragedy feeling, or even a kind of "Against all odds" romance feeling that would have really kept people tuning back in. And personally I would have liked to see Jake and Rose confused about their respective roles once they found out the truth.

Nice picture by the way.

[Quarter-Dragon]

Agreed, well done pic.

[Zero-V]

Honestly I think they had the realization early on purpose. Sure, if Jake and Rose had dated and then found out it would add to the drama- but you do have to concider their target audience.

Because their paths are so different, unless Rose changes what she is (because obviously Jake cannot) theres really no real future for the two of them. Why hipe up a popular couple (that was popular in the fandom before it even offically got off the ground) if they're just going to break it up. That might not do too well for rateings
Wrong. Ratings THRIVE on relationship turmoil

"Jake in pain, show better, Jake not in pain, show not so good"

[90'sCartoonMan]

Okay, I know I'm posting late, but I just saw this episode today, and it's a doozy. Poor Jake, he was too blind to see that Rose is Huntsgirl. That must've made much harder when he had to finally accept it. Trixie and Spud worked really well here. I wonder if Jake will tell his grandfather and if we'll get to see what his relationship with a villain was like.