The Popeye Show 12/10

[Argus Sventon]

Shiver Me Timbers 1934 (two Paramount copyrights on this one) lowercase "p" closing Paramount logo

Alona on the Sarong Seas 1942 Famous Studios (pipe opening)

Insect to Injury 1956

Man on the Flying Trapzee 1934. (note this one used the lower case "p" closing Paramount logo, as well)

I Yam Love Sick 1938

She Sick Sailors 1945

So far no 3-D backgrounds yet. They did show a shot of the opening from the first Popeye cartoon. Oh, can't wait to see that cartoon show.

[Thad Komorowski]

It's good to see CN playing some of the late 50s Popeyes, which are actually good. "Insect to Injury" and "Hill-billing and Cooing" are funny Popeye cartoons.


-Thad

[Mibbitmaker]

"I Yam Lovesick" has a moment , one of my favorite Popeye mumbles, that shows the improvement in the restored Popeyes. When the photo of Bluto reacts with an uncharacteristic voice, Popeye mutters,"Sounds like he has a cold" , which is hard to make out in the LNB&W version(sometimes I can hear the words, sometimes I can't), but is chrystal clear in the Popeye Show version.

[J Lee]

Alona on the Sarong Seas 1942 Famous Studios (pipe opening)

Also a possible continuity mistake on the titles on this one -- Athough they correctly said at the start of the cartoon it was the second Popeye done by Famous Studios, the title car still credits Max Fleischer.

Since I had never seen that one before, the mistake may have been on the original film, but AAP did have the cartoon correctly credited to Famous Studios on their refilmed titles, and it's doubtful they would have caught the mistake on their own if it was on the print.

Since only two Famous cartoons were made with the pipe opening, finding the original title to those didn't figure to be easy. Even so, if it is a reattatched opening title and not a mistake from 1942, the editing on of the opening is almost flawless.

[Geezil]

Then there was that between-toons commentary about "Alona on the Sarong Seas" being "one of the less blatant ones."
Y' think maybe that's a subtle hint that we can forget about an uncut "Popeye and the Pirates"? ;)

[J Lee]

Actually, it sounded like a (possibly unintetional) slap against the racial chartactures in some of the black and whitew WWII Popeyes, like "Your A Sap, Mr. Jap," and "Seein Red White `N Blue."

Those are the ones that are unlikely to appear any time soon on "The Popeye Show," though I would think that some of the others that aired on the Veteran's Day edition of "Late Night Black & White" could be shown without any problems -- and they should show "The Mighty Navy" if for no other reason than the fact that it was the first cartoon to featur Popeye in the white sailor suit, which he would continue to wear with only a few exceptions all the way through the made-for-TV cartoons in the 1960s.

[bozo]

geezil, i have been checking into "popeye and the pirates" and unfortunately since the cut in that cartoon was made in the fifties, i'm not sure if an unedited version even exists.
j. lee, i actually typed out a long response to the beany and cecil question that for some reason didn't take, and it was too long to retype. it was about the unedited wb's. long story short. when the dubbed versions began coming in, the old unedited versions (on well worn outdated tape formats) began getting thrown out of the library (computer) system. the library is HUGE and essentially they are lost. i tracked down the cartoons for the clampett show but it took months. the library continues to grow every day. lots of bureacracy...i've never been as concerned about those cartoons because i know warner has good copies of all those cartoons somewhere. the popeye's are more of a concern because i don't believe 35mm (or mint 16mm) prints even exist anymore.

[lislebartman]

Originally posted by J Lee
Those are the ones that are unlikely to appear any time soon on "The Popeye Show," though I would think that some of the others that aired on the Veteran's Day edition of "Late Night Black & White" could be shown without any problems -- and they should show "The Mighty Navy" if for no other reason than the fact that it was the first cartoon to featur Popeye in the white sailor suit, which he would continue to wear with only a few exceptions all the way through the made-for-TV cartoons in the 1960s.

I doubt very much we'll see any of the really 'racist' WWII POPEYE cartoons, but it was nice to see some of the other 'wartime' shorts this past Veteran's Day, such as "The Mighty Navy", "Fleets of Stren'th" and the uncut version of "A Jolly Good Furlough". The exception here was "Blunder Below" which was badly edited and in my opinion, not worth watching or adding to my collection.

[J Lee]

I didn't think about the size of the library system (is it just for CN, or are all the Turner networks linked into one system). Anyway, I can see where digging through all that to find the 1987 copies would be pretty time-consuming.

As far as the Popeyes, since Paramount had no financial interest in maintaining the library since the late 1960s and the TV rights have been tossed around so much over the past 44 years, I would guess the prints are in only slightly better condition than the Betty Boops, Screen Songs and Talkartoons that have been partially restored over the years. But I was surprised when the dozen or so 1945-51 Popeye cartoons with the original Paramount titles showed up to replace the AAP prints about a decade ago, so maybe there still is hope that some other original prints are out there waiting to be found.

[lislebartman]

I'm sure they are out there; they (AOL/Time-Warner/King Features) are just draggin' their heels...biding their time...

Yes, I agree it's nice to see some of the older Famous Studios Popeyes with their original Paramount logos, like "Wigwam Whoopee", "She-Sick Sailors" & "Abusement Park". Many of the later one retained their Paramount openings and were not given the AAP replacement logos. Like I said, we'll all just have to wait and see...

[Geezil]

Originally posted by bozo
geezil, i have been checking into "popeye and the pirates" and unfortunately since the cut in that cartoon was made in the fifties, i'm not sure if an unedited version even exists.


Thanks, B., and I'm sure you and J. Lee also understood that my comment was meant as a tongue-in-cheek one...

[Bobby B]

Originally posted by J Lee


Also a possible continuity mistake on the titles on this one -- Athough they correctly said at the start of the cartoon it was the second Popeye done by Famous Studios, the title card still credits Max Fleischer.

Since I had never seen that one before, the mistake may have been on the original film, but AAP did have the cartoon correctly credited to Famous Studios on their refilmed titles, and it's doubtful they would have caught the mistake on their own if it was on the print.



The aap title card for "Alona on the Sarong Seas" doesn't credit either studio; it just says "Popeye the Sailor by arrangement with King Features Syndicate Inc." The aap title card for "You're A Sap, Mr. Jap" has "A Max Fleischer Cartoon" at the top.