Dreams for ToonZone

[Natey]

What thing do u wish TZ could do besides have everything cartoons!

I had a day dream while mowing the lawn that TZ had a Televison station with all the ppl at ToonZoon desiding what the schedule would be! also a radio station!


what do you wish

[Discloner]

I wish Toonzone could make me a sandwich.

[Caffeine King]

o_O

that's pathetic...people actually think about stuff like that...

pitiful.

[SSJPabs]

I dream of the day that ToonZone...

ALLOWS POLITICAL THREADS!

That's right! I said it! IT'S BEEN 6 $%^&*(@ MONTHS!

Note: When EinBebop brought this up before I made a reference to the fact that I would wait 6 months. Well guess how long its been? Also, once again linking to my statement (http://mnpundit.blogspot.com/2004/11/toonzone-statement.html).

[Artimus Gigan]

I dream of the day that ToonZone...

ALLOWS POLITICAL THREADS!

That's right! I said it! IT'S BEEN 6 MONTHS!bah just visit the Fox News message boards then...

[solarflere]

I dream of the day that ToonZone...

ALLOWS POLITICAL THREADS!

That's right! I said it! IT'S BEEN 6 $%^&*(@ MONTHS!
I second that opinion!!!


I wish Toonzone could make me a sandwich. Mmmmm sandwich. Uuuuuuuuuuuh gulp.

[Kury Wagner]

I wish Toon Zone could bring John Lennon back from the dead!

[Chad Bonin]

I wish Toon Zone could pay me.

... and get me a date.

Don't know WHICH I want more.

[Youko Recca]

I would pay Toon Zone ten dollars to strip at my cousin's party. And then wish I hadn't done so.

[solarflere]

I wish TZ would take away my bordom so I don't have to refresh my browser just so I can read a new post/pathetic, I know.

[Kurtman]

I wish Toon Zone could bring John Lennon back from the dead!
Hmmmmm. I wish ToonZone would bring Billy Jones back from the dead. Billy Jones is the lead singer of a 70's country-rock band known as The Outlaws (Probably my favorite band in the whole world) He is responsible for singing my favorite Outlaws' song "Holiday" and the depressing but awesome ballad "Night Wines". Too bad he comitted suicide in the 90's. :(:crying:

[randomguy]

Don't know WHICH I want more.In America, first you get the money, then you get the power, then you get the women.

[90'sCartoonMan]

I wish Toon Zone could pay me.

... and get me a date.

Don't know WHICH I want more.
Toon Zone dating service! Where it's not so creepy to bring up Codename Kids Next Door on a first date.

I wish Toon Zone would tell me it loves me every night before bed.

[Kury Wagner]

Toon Zone dating service!I believe JTD tried that a few months back.

I wish TZ would make it unnecessary to sleep.

[ToOn~g@l]

I wish Toon Zone gave us an easy way to meet the members on this site, instead of traveling long distances to do so or something stupid like that.

[Mr. Pedro]

I only wish that TZ remains the premire place for animation (and other types of) discussion and a haven where folks of all ages, colors, creeds, faiths, nationalities, orientations and backgrounds can come together and teach the world to sing in perfect harmony.

That, and I want Bikini Raven singing me Costello songs sometime before June 4. Make it happen TZ!

[Kurtman]

Oh! I also wish Toonzone would give me an unlimited supply of Diet A&W Rootbeer and Hormel's Scalloped Potatoes & Ham! Delicious!

[The Penguin]

Where it's not so creepy to bring up Codename Kids Next Door on a first date.Sadly I believe that is one dream that will never come true.

A sandwich would be nice though.

[Natey]

it would be awsome if TZ got mentioned on abc news nbc news abc news and all the cable news station for being the best internet site on the earth

[Harley]

I wish Toonzone could make me a sandwich.

I can't even get Toon Zone to make me a sandwich.

[Colin]

I can't even get Toon Zone to make me a sandwich.
Really? I must say, Toon Zone makes a wicked Grilled Cheese... golden brown, cheese melted just right... I tell ya, this sandwich really is to die for! :)

[Harley]

Damn you. :p

(Goes to make herself a grilled cheese sandwich.)

[Jave]

The other day I got Toon Zone to make me a pie. Does that count for something?

[Colin]

The other day I got Toon Zone to make me a pie. Does that count for something?
Nope... not when you can go down your grocer's frozen food aisle and see the shelves stocked with hundreds of "Toon Zone" brand pies...

[Bird Boy]

Nope... not when you can go down your grocer's frozen food aisle and see the shelves stocked with hundreds of "Toon Zone" brand pies...

I think those pies are made out of Toon Zone's trash bin. I bit into a few banned users avatars and deleted HTML files. :sad:

Hang on, Toon Zone's at my front door. It must want something...

[James]

I can't even get Toon Zone to make me a sandwich.
I got the impression that all bread products from Toon Zone were being excreted, if you know what I mean. Well, it's a funny old universe. If you are nice, it won't give you toilet products and is one hell of a shoe buff.

[Tienshin]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v85/Tienshin/toonzone.jpg

I wish Toon Zone could post. :(

[Colin]

I wish Toon Zone could post. :(
Oh, Toon Zone can post... there are times I can't get Toon zone to shut up! ...Consider Toon Zone the Morn of Toon Zone... (does that make sense?)

[True Noir]

Yeah, Toon Zone should be able to post. >_<

But, I really wish we could have political threads again. I know some of us are mature enough to respect other's opinions and have good debates, but I wish others were.

[Jave]

Toon Zone is such an advanced, intelligent entity that its posts will be impossible to understand for our little human brains.

[Artimus Gigan]

I wish there was a Bizarro ToonZone and it would come here and it would fight the regular ToonZone


and there would be much pie eating afterwards

[Natey]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v85/Tienshin/toonzone.jpg

I wish Toon Zone could post. :(
i wish he owuld to! lets go to his house and threatin him to post!

[James]

Yeah, Toon Zone should be able to post. >_<

But, I really wish we could have political threads again. I know some of us are mature enough to respect other's opinions and have good debates, but I wish others were.
Personaly - as a member - I've not seen proof of this. I've just seen left and right fight on the same points over and over. Topics going way off topic back onto circular arguments. As a mod (not as a CTZ mod) I've seen people banned for losing tempers one too many times in the cafe and others rank up warnings I doubt they would have had otherwise. Finally I've seen a topic which has nothing to do with cartoons, animation or the ilk, just really blight the Cafe.

I really don't think opinions will have changed. Look at the last US election not far past - the country is still divided with as many pro and against the administration and I think you won't see a change in behaviour in political threads here. After 9/11, the US seems split down the center to the resolution and ethos of the adminstration and I think that will remain as split as the overall vote.

I'm only speaking out as I've seen several call for political threads here as if it's absurd to ban them. I'm not sure I'm overkeen as a member on even testing the subject which will just rank up warnings and even banishments to prove a point.

As I said, Toon Zone has always had a strict non politics policy, it's only the good will of the CTZ mods which bent that and it seems that post 9/11 with the understandable factioning of society, it became an issue too close to people's hearts to be just "another debate". I like to think politics - US or otherwise - is something the media is saturated and Toon Zone is a nice place to get away from that real life honest antagonism than let it seap into this community - a community built on cartoons, comics and well, fun. :)

[Tienshin]

Oh, Toon Zone can post... there are times I can't get Toon zone to shut up! ...Consider Toon Zone the Morn of Toon Zone... (does that make sense?)

Maybe that's because Toon Zone joined on April 20th. You know how wacky and talkative the "4/20 lol" types can be, if you know what I mean.

Haha....slacker humor. </Phil>

[Lehteb]

http://www.reuben.org/greenberg/.Toons/.Toons,%20Media/qqxsgInternet%20censorship.gif

The madness must stop!!!

[Discloner]

I can't even get Toon Zone to make me a sandwich. *Poof* You're a sandwich.


Yeah...that one was old when I was young. =/

[Jedigreedo]

The madness must stop!!!
See...the first amendment doesn't apply here. You clicked "I agree" to the rules when you signed up here. The rules involve the ability to control what you're allowed to talk about, and you agreed to this. You also agreed to them being able to change the rules whenever they want, it's all in there. You agreed away your right to free speech. Deal with it or leave. :rolleyes:

[Bird Boy]

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The madness must stop!!!

Speaking as just a regular member and not a Moderator or Administrator...

If you are so freakin' obsessed with discussing politics, why are you campaigning for it on an animation site? The fact we provide discussion for anything but animation is already a stretch. The political talk was banned for a reason--yes there are those who kept their cool, but those that didn't, even the few, made it such an ungodly and uncontrollable mess, discussion was eventually banned. There are literally thousands of forums on the internet that allow political talk. I realize you must like posting here, but if you come here to talk about politics, then you came to the wrong place.

Why is it such a big deal? Did you participate in so many discussions that you need it back to survive? Is there a reason you aren't seeing the real reason we stopped it? It was too much work to maintain threads and to have them keep their cool. "Hire more MODs" you might say. Inconvenience us, who volunteer at this site, so users can bicker and fight over politics? The moderators have the "right" to say "no" to this discussion because they run the site. Yes there's a Constitution and yes there's a Free Speech amendment. I just don't think an animation website disallowing political talk because it's too flammable is an impediment on what you want to say. We aren't limiting you from ever saying it--you just can't say it here. If there’s a few choice members you like discussing politics with, there’s always email and private messaging. It's not hard to understand.

We limit a lot of mediums of discussion. Either for legal (downloading) or a cleaner forum (language), they're there so it's more enjoyable. Politics is known for its volatile nature and the fact was that Toon Zone never used to allow it. Period. The Cafe made an exception and it was taken away. Why? You know the reason. It’s been stated every time since it was banned months ago.

This issue seems more and more like it has less to do with political talk and more like you just want the ability to walk around naked and talk about whatever pops into your head. There may be those who want it back, but there's plenty more, who don't say anything, that prefer its absence. Those that have nothing to complain about rarely speak their thoughts on the topic.

I realize you may have been joking with the image. But every post I've seen you make in this forum deals with it and it's getting kind of tiresome to read repeatedly.

-Joseph "Bird Boy"

[TimTwoFace]

In backing up Bird Boy's absolutely correct comments...

Toon Zone is a privately-run site. That's why we have to sign up and be approved to post here; generally everyone that wants in gets in, but even so, you have to abide by our rules. As it's a privately-run site, we can come up with our own rules that we deem necessary, even if it's against your perception of "freedom of speech" - and they are to be enforced. Just because we're on the internet, it doesn't mean we can do whatever the hell we want; there are other sites that would support political talk, but Toon Zone is not one of them.

It can't be put much more simply and succinctly than that.

-Tim

EDIT: Eeep, I just pretty much said what Jedigreedo said. Well...the more that say it, the better, I suppose.

[90'sCartoonMan]

I only wish that TZ remains the premire place for animation (and other types of) discussion and a haven where folks of all ages, colors, creeds, faiths, nationalities, orientations and backgrounds can come together and teach the world to sing in perfect harmony.
....in English. As long as they speak English (I don't care if it's a third or second language, but, well, if Toon Zone went all international, it could get confusing with numerous languages).

[Lehteb]

Speaking as just a regular member and not a Moderator or Administrator...

If you are so freakin' obsessed with discussing politics, why are you campaigning for it on an animation site? The fact we provide discussion for anything but animation is already a stretch. The political talk was banned for a reason--yes there are those who kept their cool, but those that didn't, even the few, made it such an ungodly and uncontrollable mess, discussion was eventually banned. There are literally thousands of forums on the internet that allow political talk. I realize you must like posting here, but if you come here to talk about politics, then you came to the wrong place.

The reason why people speak politics at any animation forum in the first place is because of lot of what goes on has a large effect on what currently comes out in some pieces of animation, a lot of what is discussed here at ToonZone. It's because of Disney's crappy politics that all of their future cartoon movies will now be produced in 3-D. The outcome of the political war waged by SaveDisney will determine whether or not we will ever see hand-drawn animation at Disney (besides the sequels) again, which in turn, will affect all future Disney cartoons discussed at TZ's forums.

Also, the current conservative mindset is the very thing that inspired American Dad; if politics are now banned from regular TZ discussions, you might as well ban all discussions on ADad just to be safe.


Why is it such a big deal? Did you participate in so many discussions that you need it back to survive? Is there a reason you aren't seeing the real reason we stopped it? It was too much work to maintain threads and to have them keep their cool. "Hire more MODs" you might say. Inconvenience us, who volunteer at this site, so users can bicker and fight over politics? The moderators have the "right" to say "no" to this discussion because they run the site. Yes there's a Constitution and yes there's a Free Speech amendment. I just don't think an animation website disallowing political talk because it's too flammable is an impediment on what you want to say. We aren't limiting you from ever saying it--you just can't say it here. If there’s a few choice members you like discussing politics with, there’s always email and private messaging. It's not hard to understand.

We limit a lot of mediums of discussion. Either for legal (downloading) or a cleaner forum (language), they're there so it's more enjoyable. Politics is known for its volatile nature and the fact was that Toon Zone never used to allow it. Period. The Cafe made an exception and it was taken away. Why? You know the reason. It’s been stated every time since it was banned months ago.

So much for NOT speaking as a Moderator or Administrator. :anime:


This issue seems more and more like it has less to do with political talk and more like you just want the ability to walk around naked and talk about whatever pops into your head. There may be those who want it back, but there's plenty more, who don't say anything, that prefer its absence. Those that have nothing to complain about rarely speak their thoughts on the topic.

See, this is why I can't talk to the mods about these things; to them, people who dare to complain about the rules are automatically cast as annoying extreme liberals.
My problem was not with those idiot rules themselves, but with those rules being waved in my face every other time I come here, like I'm in freaking kindergarten, as was the case for those Animation Domination topics...that AND the newer rules. In spite of the fact that I'm the only one who dared to say anything, I also pointed out that I'm NOT the only one who feels this way.


I realize you may have been joking with the image. But every post I've seen you make in this forum deals with it and it's getting kind of tiresome to read repeatedly.

It's called a Feedback and Suggestions Forum for a reason.


Deal with it or leave. :rolleyes:


http://www.comic-mint.com/media/client/Ren-Stimpy-hobos-RS0002_sml.JPG

Bye! :)

[Dee]

The madness must stop!!!
Exactly. Drop it. We're getting tired of seeing the same posts from you over and over again. Yawn. We know you hate the rules here.

How the other users abide by the rules they agreed to--- and enjoy their time here is beyond me. :rolleyes:




http://www.comic-mint.com/media/client/Ren-Stimpy-hobos-RS0002_sml.JPG

Bye! :)




Uh huh.

[Zach]

I wish Toonzone would instantly teach me Japanese.

[Jedigreedo]

It's called a Feedback and Suggestions Forum for a reason.
Indeed, so why are you here? I don't see whining listed...

[Wanted]

I nominate Jedigreedo for Moderatorship.

Ability to handle a situation... check.
Ability to keep a cool head... check.
Ability to correct wayward posters... check.
__________________

Well, now that that's over with, I wish Toon Zone could make cartoons. I'd be creator, writer, storyboarder, executive producer, slavedriver...

"I said, 'No break!' Keep drawing 'till your hand falls off, Toon Zone!"

[Outlander00]

The madness must stop!!! The only madness going on here is that a few people complaining about Freedom of speech to talk about issues that make people go feral on a privately owned forum.

Seriously folks... If you want political discussions, go to some of the news agencies forums. The CTZ Mods, admins AND the owners decided it was best for the ENTIRE TZ community... NOT the few. Despite what those who want political discussions think... the masses were not happy about the instability (by my sampling of users who frequented the CTZ) that was occuring last year. This instability lead to the ban... so dont blame us, the staff only did what was right.

Accusing the TZ staff in general of censorship... youre right. We dont only have laws and rules set that we have to enforce (or risk getting the site into trouble), but this is a FAMILY forum. I dont think a family wants to go into CTZ and see visciousness between people over political topics that already polarizes people of the US. Those users who signed up agreed to the TOS when they hit that "accept" button down down at the bottom of the screen... In turn they have to follow the rules about being respectful to fellow posters, no flame baiting, and no foul language which, in a lot of cases, was not taken to heart during the political discussions.

No matter how many times you explain out of or argue the ban, Lehteb, it still stands and it stands for the benefit of the masses. As Robin says on Teen Titans, "Deal with it". ;)

[Artimus Gigan]

I don't get why people think that TZ should have absolute freedom of speech. There is no Constitution of Toonzone(unless ofcourse the FAQ is sorta like one). In which case there is no 1st ammendment right. TZ is part of the internet, not America. You can access TZ from America but that doesn't give it the same rights as america.


Prime example is this, there is no way I am allow to carry a firearm in TZ, for the internet cannot support the exitance of actual firearms....

[James]

I don't get why people think that TZ should have absolute freedom of speech. There is no Constitution of Toonzone(unless ofcourse the FAQ is sorta like one). In which case there is no 1st ammendment right. TZ is part of the internet, not America. You can access TZ from America but that doesn't give it the same rights as america.


Prime example is this, there is no way I am allow to carry a firearm in TZ, for the internet cannot support the exitance of actual firearms....
Yep. I could understand such a fury over freedom of speech if Toon Zone took sides and said "we support the current administration and thus don't want any non Republican threads" or "we need to take a stand against the current adminstration and thus don't want any pro administration threads...". We haven't, we've just said, "hey let's leave this subject for forums more suited and bring the Cafe back to the ethos of Toon Zone - cartoons.

I'm sure no one here would want people coming into their house and then ignoring any rules you have made. I imagine you'd find it bizarre if they then told you that you were oppressing their democratic rights to do what they want regardless of your rules.

This board costs bucks to run. Many bucks. It's a private place, like a private house. Generally speaking, I think most would agree when on any private establishment it's polite to respect the rules. No one isn't saying you can't ask about them or suggest alternatives, but insulting a board just because it doesn't agree with your ideology is rubbish. It's nothing to do with being "liberal", it's about respecting the rules that you agreed to.

I think my final point would be to think about the moderators. Moderators of CTZ have to watch political threads constantly. Then they have to deal with members bad posting which I can tell you, isn't fun. It's stressful, especially when you are dealing with a member who is rude/nasty/awkward. Then there is all the paperwork - and there is a load necessary to make sure the bosses and other staff can see that the mod decision is fair and above board. It's a LOT of work. For what? To discuss politics at a site which never had politics in the first place.

Even if you don't agree with the ideology, you can appreciate why the staff no longer want to bend over backwards for a topic which bears little to no relevance to animation.

[Natey]

I nominate Jedigreedo for Moderatorship.

Ability to handle a situation... check.
Ability to keep a cool head... check.
Ability to correct wayward posters... check.
__________________

Well, now that that's over with, I wish Toon Zone could make cartoons. I'd be creator, writer, storyboarder, executive producer, slavedriver...

"I said, 'No break!' Keep drawing 'till your hand falls off, Toon Zone!"
he would be an awsome MOD! and LOL i'll be your guy right by your side commanding people to draw the perfect cartoon with all our little slaves and not even letting them take bathroom BRAKES!

and i think its a good idea not to talk about polotics (i think thats how you spell it) because we look at each other as democrats and republicans asnd everyone in the middle we try to draw them to us, you can do that CNN fansite or something

NOW BACK TO THE SUBJECT i wish TZ had a party and invited all the active members and invited aerosmith to sing!

[Zebi]

NOW BACK TO THE SUBJECT i wish TZ had a party and invited all the active members and invited aerosmith to sing!Add Alice Cooper to this party and we have deal! http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v89/avran/smilies/love.gif

[Natey]

Add Alice Cooper to this party and we have deal! http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v89/avran/smilies/love.gif
ok but there will be a line for her!:nurse:

[Harley]

Add Alice Cooper to this party and we have deal! http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v89/avran/smilies/love.gif

Only if we can have that followed by Led Zeppelin... and maybe the Ramones.
http://www.bilateralwarp.com/eileen/avatar/guitarist.gif

[Dee]

Only if we can have that followed by Led Zeppelin... and maybe the Ramones.
http://www.bilateralwarp.com/eileen/avatar/guitarist.gif

....And WEIRD AL YANKOVIC!

[Zebi]

ok but there will be a line for her!:nurse:Oh, I'm sure there will be a long line ... but you do realize Alice Cooper isn't a woman? ;)


Only if we can have that followed by Led Zeppelin... and maybe the Ramones.
http://www.bilateralwarp.com/eileen/avatar/guitarist.gif


....And WEIRD AL YANKOVIC!Sounds like this will be the concert of the summer! http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v89/avran/smilies/headbanger1.gif

[Mr. Pedro]

Costello man, Costello. Let's try for some acts that aren't 3/4ths of the way dead.

J/K Harl. Joey, Johnny and Dee-Dee fo' eva.

But I would like to see TZ bring Axl and Slash back together. Now THAT would rock.

[Artimus Gigan]

I'd like Toonzone to own up and finally admit that it's my father...or mother...

it's one or the other....I forget what those documents say...

[cross blues]

What thing do u wish TZ could do besides have everything cartoons! I wish that TZ would make the effort to expand their topics beyond, as you so succinctly put it, "everything cartoons." and yes, this includes lifting the ban of political (and anything remotely related) discussions. I realize that it's called Toon Zone for a reason, but the amount of meaningful conversation in the Cafe has been crippled severely. by meaningful, I mean intellectually beneficial, eye-opening stuff.

think of the opportunity TZ has to impact young or sheltered people. picture this: the toons draw a young guy here. then one day, bored from reading, say, an InuYasha feedback over and over, he wanders into the cafe and sees discussions about religion, philosophy, politics, etc. he thinks, if these topics are discussed by my fellow toon-lovers, maybe there is something to them. he reads and is amazed by the wealth of information that had previously escaped him. he sees that the opinions of his parents, his friends, his pastor, aren't the only opinions out there. impossible, you say? well it happened to me. and due to that I realized how important things like politics and religion are, how much impact these events really have on our lives. my high school had 400 people total, all white "country-folk". a stereotype but it's better than no description at all, and there's some truth to it. my graduating class had 91 students. the reaction from my parents after I asked one question about religion showed me that they had not ever given thought to the other possibilities. I am not saying Cafe TZ is my savior, but it certainly helped break me out of that ignorant, sheltered life.

kids are assaulted daily with "proper" beliefs. why not let them know that there's more than one way to see the world?

if the proposal is ever considered, I would be glad to offer suggestions for effective monitoring and keeping the board under control. until then, I'd be happy if even one person read this post.

[Harley]

I don't know how anybody got the idea that anyone's conservative in their political beliefs around here. If nothing else, the opposite it true. Most folks around here tend to be more liberal in their political beliefs. Also, I'm pretty sure Brian, Colin and I have never stated which parties we support... ever. (Not that I'd tell anyone if they asked... and it shouldn't matter anyway.)

Brian, Colin and I have absolutely no desire to use TZ to make any sort of political statement or impact anyone's political beliefs. That's not what we're here to do. We just like cartoons.

We thank everyone for respecting our wishes.

Now back to rockin':
http://www.bilateralwarp.com/eileen/avatar/guitarist.gif

[Artimus Gigan]

I wish that TZ would make the effort to expand their topics beyond, as you so succinctly put it, "everything cartoons." and yes, this includes lifting the ban of political (and anything remotely related) discussions. I realize that it's called Toon Zone for a reason, but the amount of meaningful conversation in the Cafe has been crippled severely. by meaningful, I mean intellectually beneficial, eye-opening stuff.

think of the opportunity TZ has to impact young or sheltered people. picture this: the toons draw a young guy here. then one day, bored from reading, say, an InuYasha feedback over and over, he wanders into the cafe and sees discussions about religion, philosophy, politics, etc. he thinks, if these topics are discussed by my fellow toon-lovers, maybe there is something to them. he reads and is amazed by the wealth of information that had previously escaped him. he sees that the opinions of his parents, his friends, his pastor, aren't the only opinions out there. impossible, you say? well it happened to me. and due to that I realized how important things like politics and religion are, how much impact these events really have on our lives. my high school had 400 people total, all white "country-folk". a stereotype but it's better than no description at all, and there's some truth to it. my graduating class had 91 students. the reaction from my parents after I asked one question about religion showed me that they had not ever given thought to the other possibilities. I am not saying Cafe TZ is my savior, but it certainly helped break me out of that ignorant, sheltered life.

kids are assaulted daily with "proper" beliefs. why not let them know that there's more than one way to see the world?

if the proposal is ever considered, I would be glad to offer suggestions for effective monitoring and keeping the board under control. until then, I'd be happy if even one person read this post.TZ is a message board about animation, games, entertainment and whatever loudtalk is in GD. It's not going to change anyone's life. moreso political threads lead to absolute chaos due to the inherit fanaticism the internet breeds. You want to help someone change their life, have them read a self-help book. people will only change if they have the internal drive to.

Politics is also somthing that can cause people with ignorance of the world to adopt fanatic beliefs. There is no learning curve on the internet, there is no way to ease into things like that. It's pretty much like cultureshock to an extent. Depending on your defintion of "sheltered" there have been many cases of shletered people becoming violent against society due to similar circumstances and having a vast ammount of information being thrust at them.

Views on the world need to be fed to people slowly one at a time so they can gain a rational view of things. Books and documentires do this, not animation message boards.

[Wanted]

Sounds like this will be the concert of the summer! http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v89/avran/smilies/headbanger1.gifYeah. Just don't forget Joe Boyd Vigil and all his Toonami music. Use it for filler when the artists are shaking our hands and chatting to us in person.

[Artimus Gigan]

Yeah. Just don't forget Joe Boyd Vigil and all his Toonami music. Use it for filler when the artists are shaking our hands and chatting to us in person.Wait...no concert is complete without Journey and Bruce Springstein

[cross blues]

first you say this...

bah just visit the Fox News message boards then... then you say this...

Politics is also somthing that can cause people with ignorance of the world to adopt fanatic beliefs. There is no learning curve on the internet, there is no way to ease into things like that. It's pretty much like cultureshock to an extent. Depending on your defintion of "sheltered" there have been many cases of shletered people becoming violent against society due to similar circumstances and having a vast ammount of information being thrust at them.

Views on the world need to be fed to people slowly one at a time so they can gain a rational view of things. Books and documentires do this, not animation message boards. can you see the problem there? in the TZ cafe fashion, I will explain for your benefit. other boards will have much more involved discussions on politics. a sheltered person (or just a noob to political discussions) will have much less chance of understanding the rational arguments, and would be much more likely to interpret arguments wrongly. here at TZ, people have the opportunity to ask questions without being called stupid and, ideally, anyone can participate in the discussions. because the members are relatively young and inexperienced, there IS a learning curve. this is the perfect place to, as you say, feed views on the world slowly, one at a time. it is also the best place (as I have said before) for people of relatively the same age group with some similar interests to share their worldviews and open their minds to all the possibilities. TZ could be more than just a "hey look how much I know about toons" board.

[Artimus Gigan]

can you see the problem there? in the TZ cafe fashion, I will explain for your benefit. other boards will have much more involved discussions on politics. a sheltered person (or just a noob to political discussions) will have much less chance of understanding the rational arguments, and would be much more likely to interpret arguments wrongly. here at TZ, people have the opportunity to ask questions without being called stupid and, ideally, anyone can participate in the discussions. because the members are relatively young and inexperienced, there IS a learning curve. this is the perfect place to, as you say, feed views on the world slowly, one at a time. it is also the best place (as I have said before) for people of relatively the same age group with some similar interests to share their worldviews and open their minds to all the possibilities. TZ could be more than just a "hey look how much I know about toons" board.Because Fox News Message boards are primarily a news board.

Toonzone is primarily an animation board with everything else secondary

The world needs less political discussion, not more...we are already saturated so much in society as a whole that it leads to extremist actions by the public..

reason why the election went bezerk, over advertising, over speculation, over fanaticism...

less is better, there needs to be a balance.

[cross blues]

Toonzone is primarily an animation board with everything else secondarybut does that mean there is absolutely no room for politics? other secondary topics like video games and dvds are doing well.


The world needs less political discussion, not more...we are already saturated so much in society as a whole that it leads to extremist actions by the public.. I still must argue for the reverse. I think that the more truth people know, the less likely they will be to take extreme positions. the real problem now -and for the past few years- is that we are saturated with wartime propaganda.


reason why the election went bezerk, over advertising, over speculation, over fanaticism... again, I believe, a result of misinformation or lack of relevant facts. I think a big part of this was the reluctance of the candidates to discuss anything but "the war" in their debates.


less is better, there needs to be a balance. I can see what you are saying and I agree that having less fanatical, emotionally-driven political discussions based on incomplete information would be better for everyone. but what if (and this is certainly idealistic) we could discuss issues rationally, solely to learn what's going on, why it's happening, and how it affects us? couldn't everyone benefit from that?

[Kury Wagner]

but does that mean there is absolutely no room for politics? other secondary topics like video games and dvds are doing well.Video games and DVDs are at least slightly related to animation.

The majority of TZ is teenagers, who probably don't give a damn about politics, but would like to know when Samurai Jack season two comes out. Dude, it's cool you're so into politics, but as many people have stated, TZ is not a place for anything to do with politics, unless Batman was going to be running for senate. Get over it. I'm sorry, but I'm sick of all this discussion too. And I feel bad for the mods who have to keep telling the members like you that there is no political discussion allowed on here anymore. Go read a comic book instead.

[Jave]

but does that mean there is absolutely no room for politics? other secondary topics like video games and dvds are doing well.Dude, DVDs and Video Games are closely related to cartoons. Politics isn't.

And before you start saying that politics are mentioned in cartoons that are discussed here, there's a simple explanantion: there's no need, and I mean NO NEED to turn a thread into a debate of REAL politics, because the politics in cartoons aren't real politics per se, they make fun of real politics. You are entitled to mention the reference and point out the obvious (i.e. "The Giant ****** is supposed to be Bush, lol!"), but is there really a need to discuss the real elections in it? No. We discuss the cartoons, not the stuff they are talking about.


I can see what you are saying and I agree that having less fanatical, emotionally-driven political discussions based on incomplete information would be better for everyone. but what if (and this is certainly idealistic) we could discuss issues rationally, solely to learn what's going on, why it's happening, and how it affects us? couldn't everyone benefit from that?The problem is, we can't. And Lord knows we tried to make it a worthwhile discussion. Politics is a very delicate subject and almost every discussion ended up in flamewars because of the opposing bands. Yes, we could all benefit if the discussion was done rationally, but some people aren't willing to have rational discussions, sadly.


TZ is not a place for anything to do with politics, unless Batman was going to be running for senate.Didn't that happen in a Bob Haney/Neal Adams comic? :D :p

[cross blues]

Get over it. I'm sorry, but I'm sick of all this discussion too. And I feel bad for the mods who have to keep telling the members like you that there is no political discussion allowed on here anymore. Go read a comic book instead. besides your missing the point of feedback and suggestions as well as the point of this thread (Dreams for TZ)... I am well aware that there is a ban on political discussions. I am trying to give the mods something else to think about, another track/path to follow if a metaphor will help you. most younger people don't care about important issues, but if you had read my previous posts, you'd see that I was making a suggestion on how to change that, on how to make TZ better (and its members more informed and intelligent). there has to be some reason they tried allowing it (politics) in the first place.

nobody is forcing you to read anything I say.


The problem is, we can't. And Lord knows we tried to make it a worthwhile discussion. Politics is a very delicate subject and almost every discussion ended up in flamewars because of the opposing bands. Yes, we could all benefit if the discussion was done rationally, but some people aren't willing to have rational discussions, sadly.
wouldn't stricter punishment for flamebaits and/or immediate locking of threads that were deemed "out of control" accomplish that goal? also, do you have any idea why TZ decided to try allowing political discussion in the first place? if it was to enhance Toon Zone, I believe it had accomplished that much and is still worth looking into, although it would take some work. quitters never win. I hope the owners see that. :p

[Harley]

It was to see what would happen to the environment of the Cafe. (It was the exception to the rule on a site that's always leaned towards "no politics" discussion.) The end result was that it impacted it negatively. It made for a very uncomfortable atmosphere and drove a lot of people away.

Once again... Brian, Colin and I have absolutely no desire to use TZ to make any sort of political statement or impact anyone's political beliefs. That's not what we're here to do. We just like cartoons.

We tried something. It didn't work, so we stopped it. We thank you for your input, but I don't forsee politics making any substantial comeback here on TZ.

[Wanted]

make TZ better (and its members more intelligent)That's your dream for Toon Zone? Hey, you said it first.

LOL just poking and prodding

[Natey]

Oh, I'm sure there will be a long line ... but you do realize Alice Cooper isn't a woman? ;)

Sounds like this will be the concert of the summer! http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v89/avran/smilies/headbanger1.gif
i dont relize that! i thought alice was a girl name (which it is) so i assumed it wuz a girl. my bad:sweat:

[Sailor V]

I had a day dream while mowing the lawn that TZ had a Televison station with all the ppl at ToonZoon desiding what the schedule would be! also a radio station!
Yeah I like a tv station too!

[Natey]

Yeah I like a tv station too!
glad to see someone to agree with me. Any suggestions WHAT should be on the channel

courage and jonny bravo so far have been added to TZ's cartoon channel

[BeastBoyWonder]

Just to throw in a voice of support for the Mods, I think banning the political discussions in the Cafe is a good idea and I'm glad to see that it happened. God knows I've caused them enough trouble because of it. It was nobody's fault but my own for flying off the handle, but I found the context of the political discussions in the Cafe to be so negative that I've hardly participated in the entire Toon Zone community since. Its too easy to take things personally and hide behind internet monikers, and being able to act in such a manner without seeing the emotional impacts and consequences on other people is conducive to very inflammatory behavior.

[Natey]

Just to throw in a voice of support for the Mods, I think banning the political discussions in the Cafe is a good idea and I'm glad to see that it happened. God knows I've caused them enough trouble because of it. It was nobody's fault but my own for flying off the handle, but I found the context of the political discussions in the Cafe to be so negative that I've hardly participated in the entire Toon Zone community since. Its too easy to take things personally and hide behind internet monikers, and being able to act in such a manner without seeing the emotional impacts and consequences on other people is conducive to very inflammatory behavior.
that was a good idea. because just like America got divided we got divided. Is That like a dream that came true at Toon Zone for you?

[Fresh V]

glad to see someone to agree with me. Any suggestions WHAT should be on the channel

courage and jonny bravo so far have been added to TZ's cartoon channel
One of Sketch's fantasy schedules.