Sony planning six Spidey films

[Russkafin]

Looks like the "we're stopping after three" thing is yesterday's news. Who else hopes we see The Sinister Six for the sixth movie??

http://www.superherohype.com/news/spider-mannews.php?id=2949

[Frank Castle]

They're gonna have a Batman & Robin quality movie by #5.

[Michael24]

I imagine that if Sam Raimi stays involved (as it appears he wants to), such a downward turn will be avoided.

[Conekiller]

can we say "Venom arc"


oh come on! someone was bound to say it!

[SSJPabs]

can we say "Venom arc"


oh come on! someone was bound to say it!And Carnage!

[Zero-V]

And Carnage!
...Is overrated and is a petty, desperate use for a villain.

Stick with the classics Sam, not what the animation fans want, I'm BEGGING you...

[Michael24]

Um, Carnage was in the comics before he was in the cartoon. And they better use him and Venom at some point.

[GregX]

Sam Raimi doesn't like Venom much. If it happens it will be because it was forced on him.

Last time a great writer had to insert Venom when he didn't like him was a disaster (Ultimate Spider-Man).

[Peter Paltridge]

I assume everyone's seen the "Spider-Man 4 Secret Hints" page that's on my site now. To recap, with the loss of Maguire, Dunst and Raimi, the new director will set the series many years into the future, with new actors playing the characters. Ed Asner will be Spidey and Rosie O' Donnell will play a shriller, fatter MJ.

[Conekiller]

Last time a great writer had to insert Venom when he didn't like him was a disaster (Ultimate Spider-Man).
(not to derail the thread) how was that a disaster? I thought the revised Venom Origin story worked well.

[Zero-V]

Um, Carnage was in the comics before he was in the cartoon.I know that, but it's more or less the animated series fans that want Raimi to use those characters, comic fans would prefer he actually use the classics like Kraven and The Lizard from what I've read, and I'm enclined to agree.

And no, they had "better" NOT use them, it's too easy, and Raimi hates Venom, Carnage is related to Brocks' symbiote so he's not touching that either

[DisneyBoy]

But what then of the director and stars...? Are they all definately going to stay on?


My guess is that they'll go with the villains they've already set up for...the Lizard, and Black Cat among them...

[Style]

I'm worried about Spiderman falling into the "Four movie superhero pattern."

Basically:

First one is a classic, second one is almost as good or a little better, depending on who you ask, quality starts to decline noticeible in 3 and goes to crap in four.

Superman and Batman set the pattern. And so far, Spiderman is following it to a T. (Maybe because it's ripping off the plots of Superman 1 and 2, but that's a different discussion.)

[Stu]

Superman and Batman set the pattern. And so far, Spiderman is following it to a T. (Maybe because it's ripping off the plots of Superman 1 and 2, but that's a different discussion.)

It's actually following the comics. The 'Spider-Man No More' story was in Amazing Spider-Man #50, which was years before the original Superman was even in production, nevermind anywhere near being released.

Still... if they can avoid the dodgy 3rd film scenario, there's hope...

[Michael24]

I know that, but it's more or less the animated series fans that want Raimi to use those characters, comic fans would prefer he actually use the classics like Kraven and The Lizard from what I've read, and I'm enclined to agree.
I'm strictly a comic fan (I hated the 90's animated Spidey series), but I would love to see Venom and Carnage on the big screen. I do think The Lizard should be in the next one, though, since they've already set him up, but I think they should use villains that have a certain cinematic appeal. I find Kraven lacking in that department. I never cared for him. That's the only thing I didn't like about SPIDER-MAN 2, Doc Ock. I never liked him in the comics, and I didn't like him in the movie.

[Spongebrain2.0]

Venom would be awesome

[Discloner]

I do think The Lizard should be in the next one, though, since they've already set him up, but I think they should use villains that have a certain cinematic appeal. Heh, am I the only one out here who thinks that both the Lizard AND Kraven are weak villians for a theatrical movie? I mean, yes...they could work, however they just don't seem interesting at all. Especially when you've got Shocker, Scorpio, Electro, and even Mysterio (gosh that's a lot of 'o's isn't it?). I'm a fan of Spiderman period. Not JUST the comics, nor JUST the series...and I'd have to agree, I would look forward to seeing a movie with Venom in it. With the knowledge of the Lizard or Kraven being the main villian(s)...my anticipation of the film (whether it be 3, 4, 5, or 6) would decrease dramatically.

[Stu]

The thing with The Lizard for me, is that it already has a lot of "seen it all before" stigma to it. Venom offers something new, but the origin of the character, and Spider-Man's black costume could prove to be too much to tell in a 2 hour movie.

But, there are 2 villains in this movie, which doesn't bode well, especially after the mess most of the Batman movies were because of them cramming the villains in.

[Silly McGooses]

The thing with The Lizard for me, is that it already has a lot of "seen it all before" stigma to it.That's something I never thought of before. The whole "poor deluded scientest previously friends with Peter Parker but then goes bad" formula has allready been used too much.

I'm not very familiar with Spidey's comic book roots, but I have collections of the first couple years of the original and Spider-man Unlimited in hardback. Venom definitely seems like the most "cinematic" villain.

[The Dork Knight]

Regardless, I'd love to see a Spidey movie with Venom as the main villian. While Sam may not like the character of Venom, I think he could still help make the transition from comic book to film flawless.

TDK

[Conekiller]

Heh, am I the only one out here who thinks that both the Lizard AND Kraven are weak villians for a theatrical movie? I mean, yes...they could work, however they just don't seem interesting at all.
Same here, add Sandman to the mix. I don't care how cool it'll look with CGI, a lame villian is a lame villain is a lame villain!

[Russkafin]

I could go either way on the Venom debate. I wouldn't mind seeing him in one of the later films, but it's too early to use him any time soon, I would say.

But... I have to admit, I would absolutely love to see Spidey in the black costume on the big screen!

[Scirel]

As much as I like the lizard, using him in 3 would be weak because it would essentially be the same story as #2, except a different villain.

Venom`s origin is different from the "scientist in a lab accident" that is a lot of the villains in spiderman, and I think he would work very well in the movie.

[Patrick Bateman]

Same here, add Sandman to the mix. I don't care how cool it'll look with CGI, a lame villian is a lame villain is a lame villain! Amen.

[Style]

It's actually following the comics. The 'Spider-Man No More' story was in Amazing Spider-Man #50, which was years before the original Superman was even in production, nevermind anywhere near being released. I know, but they way it was adapted on screen, with him losing his powers and choosing this for MJ, it's just that, this version made decisions which made the story more Superman 2-ish.


Still... if they can avoid the dodgy 3rd film scenario, there's hope... That's the big question in my mind.

[Zero-V]

Same here, add Sandman to the mix. I don't care how cool it'll look with CGI, a lame villian is a lame villain is a lame villain!Except if you bothered reading the comics, you'd know Kraven, and Chamelion ARE strong villains with a great deal of deapth as characters

Kraven: Complusive obsession with mortality and wanting to consum,e Spider-Man led to him drugging Spidy, burying him alive, becoming him, accomplishing an impossible task for the original (capturing Vermin), and then commiting suicide.

Chamelion: Criminal mastermind that can imitate ANYBODY, how in GOD'S name is that "lame"? Chamelion is also a fragile human being whose years of torture as Kravens' peasant man servant led him to beleive he was freinds with him and drove him into relelntleessy pursuing the defeat of Spider-Man

Sandman: A villain that can seep into your keyhole, a villain that can suffoicate you? A villain that can form rock hard weapons at a gesture and pummel you?

Sometimes I appreicate the fact Raimi knows better than the non-objective Venom and Carnage fans, as do the classic comic fans who DO see how great these characters are

[Conekiller]

Except if you bothered reading the comics, you'd know Kraven, and Chamelion ARE strong villains with a great deal of deapth as characters

Kraven: Complusive obsession with mortality and wanting to consum,e Spider-Man led to him drugging Spidy, burying him alive, becoming him, accomplishing an impossible task for the original (capturing Vermin), and then commiting suicide.

Chamelion: Criminal mastermind that can imitate ANYBODY, how in GOD'S name is that "lame"? Chamelion is also a fragile human being whose years of torture as Kravens' peasant man servant led him to beleive he was freinds with him and drove him into relelntleessy pursuing the defeat of Spider-Man

Sandman: A villain that can seep into your keyhole, a villain that can suffoicate you? A villain that can form rock hard weapons at a gesture and pummel you?

Sometimes I appreicate the fact Raimi knows better than the non-objective Venom and Carnage fans, as do the classic comic fans who DO see how great these characters are


First of all, I never said anyhting about Chameleon, I like him. What I'm saying is that the basics for these characters are lame. Sandman is jsut some...punk with sand powers. Kraven is a bit more complex, but that doens't make him interesting in a movie plot, same goes for the Lizard.

Also you could use the same "if you bothered reading the comics" argument agianst the Venom/Carnage haters. so you should avoid using such accusatory phrases.

[Sandoz]

can we say "Venom arc"


oh come on! someone was bound to say it! Can we say "Clone Saga"? :p

::dodges tomatoes::

[90'sCartoonMan]

Especially when you've got Shocker, Scorpio, Electro, and even Mysterio (gosh that's a lot of 'o's isn't it?)
Yes, it is a lot of o's. Mostly because it's Scorpion, not Scorpio (that was Homer's boss).

Speaking of Mysterio, I would LOVE to see him. Lizard was set up in the last movie, but I think Bruce Campbell has been set up to play Mysterio since the first Spider-Man. You could do some crazy special effects stuff, and give Mysterio some depth, he could be more interesting than Doc Ock (who, to be honest, didn't work as much for me as Green Goblin did).

[Matthew Williams]

They're gonna have a Batman & Robin quality movie by #5.
by 5?

I'd say they did that with 2, which was absolutely putrid.

I hope the public realizes how bad this series has been and puts it out of its misery with 3, but I won't hold my breath...

[mookie75]

by 5?

I'd say they did that with 2, which was absolutely putrid.

I hope the public realizes how bad this series has been and puts it out of its misery with 3, but I won't hold my breath...

Fortunately for some of us, not all of "the public" holds your view on this series.


On the topic of 6 movies...hasn't Kirsten Dunst said in the past that she's only interested in doing three? I suppose they could get rid of her and bring in someone like Gwen Stacy, but the Peter/MJ story is a large part of what I like about the movies so far. There are some movie couples that I love and there are some that I hate. I definitely love the Peter/MJ coupling. :anime:

[JLU Dude]

I'd like to see Venom at some point. On the subject of Carnage however, I wouldn't mind seeing him, by much like Robin in the new Batman movie series, I'd rather not.

[Bearpod91]

Spider-man: Green gobby

Spider-man 2: Doc ock

Spider-man 3: Sandman & eddie brock, mj and pete get married, peter gets a new job.

Spider-man 4: the chameleon & electro, new cast and director, spidey makes new costumes, eddie brock still isnt venom

Spider-man 5: VENOM, big venom story, venom venom venom!

Spider-man 6: Venom and carnage, mj dies...and the ending sucks and we start wanting more!

If this would happen the spidey franchise would die but venom would be fighting spidey so its good. but really if there will be 6 movies of spidey they will kill him. I think theres a 85% chance there will be only 3...and thats a good thing.

[TimTwoFace]

I'd say they did that with 2, which was absolutely putrid.
Not putrid...just corny. I like a lot about the Spider-Man movies and the character's world in general, but what always got me was the very cheesy way in which the villains were portrayed; Doc Ock wasn't so bad, but the Green Goblin was absolutely horrible. Harry Osborne looks to be the only decent villain in the series - one that isn't a freak of science AND has actual character depth - but that's only because he's been given three movies to grow.

Even though the movie should always focus on the hero - and I think Spider-Man himself has been treated well - you need some good, formidable villains that you either love or love to hate, rather than villains with cool visual gimmicks, in order to make the movie work. Otherwise, it's just what we've had - a cartoon. I'm not expecting a dark and dreary Batmanequse story here, but come on - even THE INCREDIBLES did a better job with their villain, and he was built from scratch.

-Tim