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Lehteb
05-05-2005, 02:22 PM
This is actually a continuation of a thread begun by Fone Bone not too long ago.

I haven't been around as much lately, not only because of my busy schedule, but because I still feel that the environment on these forums are way too stiff.

It seems like it's very difficult to please some of these mods, because they tend to close up a lot of topics, even those that are well-intentioned. There are many others where the mods have to annoy everyone with a reminder of the rules. Even at the General Forum, one mod went thru the trouble of placing some of the rules at the start of each "Animation Domination" thread. Just for that, I can't even dignify those threads with a legitimate response.

Concerning the main topic here, I feel that a double standard has been established at the Disney forums. You're all familiar with the banning of the 65-episode rule, or anything related to Disney management. :shrug: Well, I pointed out in Fone Bone's topic that while WE can't talk about it, they continue to post news about it on the ToonZone main page. It even says at the end of the article, "Discuss this news in The Disney Animation Forum. "

And as you may have also noticed, things at the Disney forums have been slow, because so many regulars have been turned away from the negative vibes there. If I understand correctly, the forum IS open to discussion about the classic and contempoarary cartoons. But lately, talks of the new shows are light, and there are rarely, if ever any talks about the old cartoons.

To me, this proves that there's something terribly wrong here. I'm NOT asking for rule-free forums. But we don't come to forums just to "follow the rules". The fact that so many people are turned away from one forum is not a good sign for either the members or the moderators.

I'm sorry it's come to this, but I don't feel obliged to be regular at Toon Zone forums anymore. Somehow, all the fun has been sucked out of participating at any of these forums, especially the Disney forums.

William C. Maune
05-05-2005, 02:33 PM
There are many others where the mods have to annoy everyone with a reminder of the rules. Even at the General Forum, one mod went thru the trouble of placing some of the rules at the start of each "Animation Domination" thread. Just for that, I can't even dignify those threads with a legitimate response.

I don't want to speak about the rest of the stuff for the moment, but I wanted to address this since I do the same thing some weeks on the Toonami Forum. The rule reminders, are just that, reminders. Those aren't additional rules being placed on folks to further restrict conversation. If you already know the rules, that's great and we wish more people did. However, with certain topics, some folks seem to forget/ignore the rules and thus disrupt the discussion for everyone else. I'm sorry you feel you can't dignify those threads with a legitimate response, but if you know the rules then all it is really adding is an extra paragraph or two to the first post of the thread. It isn't actually posing any additional burdens outside the usual rules (be respectful to each other, don't go off-topic, etc.) on anyone that should deter discussion.

Jave
05-05-2005, 03:41 PM
The thing is, if too many people complain about something (which is the case with the 65-episode thing), we just can't do nothing. Action needs to be taken. The rule was placed because everytime this was discussed it ended on a flamewar, either that or a thread that had nothing to do with that got hijacked for no apparent reason. A thread about the announcement of Jake Long got quickly misleaded into 65-episode stuff. It got annoying.

As for Disney Management in the News Page, that's probably better left to the News Page head editors (Maxie Zeus, Zedd and Twage) to answer, but I think it's because they're news, and as an informative website that TZ is, such news can't be avoided since they're related to animation.

This is a bit OT, but as a personal example, I only moderate Boomerang, and I'm quite flexible with what is discussed and closed there. I personally don't mind threads that deal with more "deep meanings in cartoons" (check out the Smurfs and Socialism thread, perfectly fine discussion going on there), but if thread is started just for flamebaiting or insult someone else then something has to be done. Mods don't have easy jobs, I tell you.

Harley
05-05-2005, 04:03 PM
The News and the Forums are two entirely separate entities and run by two separate crews.

EinBebop
05-05-2005, 07:00 PM
It even says at the end of the article, "Discuss this news in The Disney Animation Forum."
The News and the Forums are two entirely separate entities and run by two separate crews.Someone better tell the left hand what the right hand is doing, then. :p

William C. Maune
05-05-2005, 07:21 PM
Someone better tell the left hand what the right hand is doing, then. :p

If there was a news story regarding Disney management with a link to the Disney Forum then I'd like to see it. Perhaps I missed it, but I can't find any.

Fone Bone
05-05-2005, 09:45 PM
If there was a news story regarding Disney management with a link to the Disney Forum then I'd like to see it. Perhaps I missed it, but I can't find any.




http://news.toonzone.net/newsicons/i-disney.gifKirch Upped to DisneyToon Studios VP (http://news.toonzone.net/article.php?ID=3299&PHPSESSID=457945a9c5d2a97facab9668d1f5d4ae)
Reported by Maxie Zeus on 05-05-2005 7:28 AM
Toon Disney has promoted B. Susan Kirch to vice-president, creative affairs, for DisneyToon Studios, according to AWN (http://news.awn.com/index.php?ltype=top&newsitem_no=13824). Kirch will develop original scripts and stories as well as sequels to other Disney properties.

Discuss this news in The Disney Animation Forum. (http://news.toonzone.net/post.php?ID=3299&PHPSESSID=457945a9c5d2a97facab9668d1f5d4ae)


Here ya go. It took me all of thrity seconds to find it. There are a bunch of others there too.

I feel bad we can't talk about some of the stuff on the forum but I understand why it happened. EVERY SINGLE DANG THREAD was hijacked by a certain poster who has the delusion he actually has insight into Disney management, so we ALL lose. It's a bum situation, lehteb. If you want you can bump the thread that I started there. I honestly don't want it to go anytime soon, but I feel if I keep bumping it I'LL be the one hijacking the forum. If people still find this to be a serious issue it's important to let people know you feel this way and that one thread moving to the second page of the topics isn't all the board needs to be a forum everyone is comfortable with.

Harley
05-05-2005, 10:50 PM
Someone better tell the left hand what the right hand is doing, then. :p

We do. Comparing the forums to the news is like comparing apples to oranges. They're two different organizations within TZ. They have different needs and rules are assigned to them accordingly.

Any linking done between the news and the disney forum was the final result of conversations between that group of mods and the news crew.