Superheroes You Hate That Everyone Else Likes

[GregX]

So, any superhero characters out there that are uber-popular that you just can't stand?

Well, I'll go first. And mine is a real sacred cow.

Superman - I can't stand this guy. He's too powerful (the guy can movie planets), he's got a weak rogue's gallery. There is virtually no suspense in his book, as you know he can't be hurt. If a superhero gets shot, I want him to bleed. The costume is just corny. And he's dull. I know, I know, he's the icon. But I don't want an icon, I want a character. A person. A flawed human being. There are just some things you can't do with him. But he always does the right thing. Also, I really, really, really hate boy scouts.

And why is he such a great hero? He's not putting himself at risk. When Spider-Man or Batman go out and fight crime, there's always that risk that sone goon will finally get that lucky shot.

But yeah, I hate Superman.

[Stu]

But yeah, I hate Superman.

You really need to watch Superman: The Animated Series. Right now.

On topic though, I'm not fond of any of the Supergirl's. I find thier presence takes away from the whole Last Son Of Krypton thing, plus, they're all really annoying.

I also don't like Namor... but neither does anyone else. :p

[GregX]

You really need to watch Superman: The Animated Series. Right now.

On topic though, I'm not fond of any of the Supergirl's. I find thier presence takes away from the whole Last Son Of Krypton thing, plus, they're all really annoying.

I also don't like Namor... but neither does anyone else. :p
I've watched it, it's a better take on the character, and they did de-power him in it. But at the same time, I see a lot of his fans moan and groan whenever he so much as breaks a sweat, saying Timm hates the character.

Funny enough, the closest Superman has ever come to working for me as a character was during Bill's speech about superheroes in "Kill Bill Vol. 2"

[Redhood]

I really don't like wolverine. Hes so overexposed. But thats not why i hate him.

Hes so mean and brutal. I don't like superheroes that kill. It just doesn't seem right. He gets to angry and stuff like that. I just don't like him very much. And everyone else loves him!

[Mister Intensity]

The current version of Batman. No explanation necessary.

Mister Intensity

[Redhood]

The current version of Batman. No explanation necessary.

Mister Intensity I agree with you. After identity crisis they've made batman way too angry and mean and unfrinedly. If you don't know what i mean just read batman #639.

[90'sCartoonMan]

I don't like superheroes that kill. It just doesn't seem right. He gets to angry and stuff like that. I just don't like him very much. And everyone else loves him!
There's my reason for not liking the Punisher. Although not strictly a superhero, he is popular, and I don't like him.

I'm also going to throw in Cyclops and Phoenix, who seem to hog up too much of the X-Men's drama at times and everyone seems to be in love with one of them. And they're not GREAT characters to begin with (although they do have their moments).

[ManicWebb]

I never liked Punisher, and I never saw his appeal. I like jaded anti-hero types, but he just rubs me the wrong way. I can deal with a hero who's willing to kill when necessary, but Punisher has more than crossed that line with me.

[Condiment King]

Wolverine. Overexposed, overhyped.

[Hurricane V1]

I don't really hate any superhero, but there are some really popular superheroes that have certain factors about them that make me really want to groan.

Spiderman. I hate how every friggin' enemy of his is so close to Peter Parker and in a lot of cases, they seem to exist because of Peter. That's just laying the sob story stuff on a little too thick. I was reading a few current Spiderman titles. In one, Peter helps a friend with an experiment, which of course goes wrong, and turns his friend into a freakish villian. In another, he's supposedly battling kids he concieved with the late Gwen Stacey. In another Green Goblin is dangling Mary Jane off a bridge, again. Not again as in the same continuity, but when you look at all the incarnations of Spiderman, Mary Jane has been thrown off the bridge by GG more often than Gwen Stacy. Anyway, back to the case in point, aren't superheroes supposed to battle a lot of random villians as well? If Peter brings so much evil into the world, why not give just kill him?

Batman. Like others have said, I hate how he's become such an untrusting, bitter, mean soul. It's not even a good character flaw, it's so predictable. Trust is a trait most classic superheroes have, because they have courage to face the potential dangers of trusting people because they value the faith and friendship they share with others. I'm not sure what went down in Outsiders 20, but I think he sent someone to spy on the Outsiders, including Nightwing. Doesn't Bruce trust the closest guy he's ever had to a son? Now I'm a Nightwing fan, and I'm really to the point I want to see Nightwing kick Bruce's @ss. Then there's that one recent JLU episode I watched where Batman was ticked about Supes sending Doomsday into the phantom zone for being too dangerous. Supes is like a pretty liberal superhero, that's what the phantom zone is for, to send away villians without ending their lives. And yet Bats has the nerve to tell Supes he's starting to resemble Justice Lord Superman. I would've friggin' executed a captured monster like Doomsday.

[TwoPossums]

Wolverine all the way. Come on lets get real. Yes he's overexposed but what really gets me is how everybody seems to think he can kick everybody's tail. Everytime there is some sort of end times story Wolvie is the last one standing and the storyline in the Wolverine comic now where the whole superhero community is shaking in its boots 'cause Wolverine is being used by Hydra and he's coming for them. Ooooo scary, he's got claws. Look out. Whatever.

Are they really trying to convice me that Iron Man couldn't take this guy down? Ion beam. Boom. Done. Lets eat. There are plenty of known superheros that wouldn't break a sweat taking this guy down really but he is always written like he just can't be beaten. Fantastic Four? No problem. The Hulk? No problem. Batman? No problem. Please, I'm over it.

Those who kill for no reason? yeah I have always hated the Punisher (he's also just a stupid character) and Shadowhawk. Ooooo I break people's backs. I'm controversal, buy my book. Bite me.

TwoPossums

[Matt-a-Tastic]

The Minuite I saw this thread I thought Superman, my reasons are pretty much the same as above ^

I'm not to keen on wonder woman either, shes just a bit "OMG B00bS in Superhero L@@K11111"

[dendawg]

Hawkeye: A Green Arrow rip-off with none of the appeal. Yeah, I said it, and I hope he stays dead.

Savage Dragon: Yawn. Hulk with a fin.

Hal Jordan: I don't care how many fanboys cried, he should've stayed dead, too. In my eyes, he's a mass murderer who committed genocide on a galactic scale.

[Red X Unmasked]

At first, it was Superman, but I think I figured out why I didn't like him much. He was a boring character. I'm reading Superman's "Unconventional Warfare" TPB, and I just don't feel compelled to finish it. But then when I read him in comics with Batman, or JLA, I MUST finish it. Now I know why I didn't like him. He was a boring character by himself, but with him interacting with other heroes, you get to see another side of him. A side that makes him seem more vunerable and just cooler.
So I guess I hate Supes, only when he's by himself, but when interacting with another hero, he's AOkay in my books.

[Phantasm]

Spiderman. I watch the films because of Tobey Mcguire but the animated series...is simply...bland...tacky...And ...the hero can be found talking to himself!*barfs*

X-MEN. Hate everyone.Every single one of them. So, they are freaks!So,they are hated by humans, so they have a secret school.Big, explosive battles and special effects add up to nothing but an embarrasment to the comicbook verse.
*hides*:sweat:

[Bearpod91]

Hulk: Big and Stupid...and other reasons.

Superman: too big in power and over-popular...everyone i know likes superman and dont like anything that relates to him(comics, movies, shows)...its like a hypnotic thing that every american has to like Superman...i hate...

Batgirl: another batman sidekick...lame.

Thor: powerful and stupid alot of times...and myths are really lame to be comics in my opinion.

[Matt-a-Tastic]

Hulk: Big and Stupid...and other reasonsoh yeah I forgot him:sweat:

[Bubblegum Girl]

Wolverine - He's way too aggerssive and it bothers me sometimes....

[randomguy]

Hawkeye: A Green Arrow rip-off with none of the appeal.Conversely, though, you could say Green Arrow is a Robin Hood rip-off.

Anyhow, in all honesty, there are no superheroes that I flat-out hate. Something I've learned from Grant Morrison's Seven Soldiers project, and Alan Moore's Swamp Thing, is that even the lamest characters can be made awesome by a writer with the right take.

When I was a kid, there were a lot of heroes I didn't care for. I had no taste for Green Arrow, Hawkeye, Dr. Strange, Thor, Aquaman, and others, but one by one I came to like each and every one of them once I found a writer whose take on that character clicked with me. I think every character, no matter how bland or boring or silly, is just one good story away from being fantastic. That's why I don't like it when lower-tier characters are bumped off for dramatic purposes. Often, there's an awesome character there just waiting for the right person to come along and make them cool.

[Spider-Man]

Anyhow, in all honesty, there are no superheroes that I flat-out hate. Something I've learned from Grant Morrison's Seven Soldiers project, and Alan Moore's Swamp Thing, is that even the lamest characters can be made awesome by a writer with the right take. I agree. I can't think of any heroes I really hate. I do hate how some characters are used incorrectly or not properly utilized but overall all heroes have something to offer. Personally I can't understand why someone would dislike Spider-Man, X-Men, Batman, Green Arrow, or Superman or whoever. All have brought something positive tot he plate at one point or another regardless of how they may be portrayed now.

Spider-Man had that amazing Gwen Stacy storyline in the 1970s. X-Men had "Days of Futures Past." Batman has countless great stories such as "The Killing Joke" and Year One." Superman had that amazing story in Action Comics #775. "The Archer's Quest" remains my favorite Green Arrow story. Every character has that great story in them and make them almost impossible to hate. I think it depends more on how a writer or artist uses them. I dont think there are bad characters just bad creative teams.

[MJC]

Superman - Too powerful, generic. Love the animated version though.

Batman - Is a dick. Animated version is slightly less of a dick.

GL Hal Jordan - Boring.

Jean Grey - Boring.

[TwoPossums]

[QUOTE=randomguy]Something I've learned from Grant Morrison's Seven Soldiers project, and Alan Moore's Swamp Thing, is that even the lamest characters can be made awesome by a writer with the right take.[QUOTE]

Well, certainly. I think that goes without saying. But the core character himself is either likable or not. The writer and artist can change all that. I'll read X-men depending on who is doing the book. Scott McDaneil left Nightwing and I stopped reading it. But that's not what we are talking about.

Also conversely bad writting and bad art can ruin a character, which might make a neat follow up thread to this. Which characters do you love that have been handled badly.

Personally I love characters like Shazam, Blue Devil and Firestorm but haven't enjoyed a lot of the stories involving them. Except Shazam in JSA of course.

TwoPossums

[Sandoz]

Emma Frost. Outside of her dedication to her students I don't think Emma has any redeemable qualities. She's vain, selfish, and just too vindictive for my tastes. Emma seduces a married man just to spite his wife, insults the same woman after she saved her life (twice!) while standing over her grave and making sexual advances on her widower, and then insults her daughter by saying she should never have been born. Why am I supposed to like Emma, again? The fact that she is also an Ethics teacher is just icing on the cake, and these days she's giving Wolverine a run for his "Most Overexposed X-Man" award.

[Comic Book Boy]

I really hate THE PUNISHER...He just seems like a stupid, less interesting version of Batman.

[Anthonynotes]

Interesting reading the reasons for others disliking Superman (one of my favorite heroes)...


But heroes I dislike:

- Kyle Rayner: GL for the "Maxim" set. Ick. (Yes, I still like Hal... so sue me)

- The current incarnation of Batman: For the reasons others cited above, though I still like Batman as a character...

- Any of the "Justice League" animated series versions of the characters (too jerky-acting for my tastes... I kept half-hoping for my mother to show up and slap some sense in them, before having her tackle the current comics' Batman ;-) )

- The Punisher: just a thug with a gun---not a "hero", so not sure he should be listed here (though guess maybe as an "anti-hero").

- Superheroines from Image: even if I liked ogling women, I'm old enough to buy my *own* pornography, thanks...

- Aquaman's "hook for a hand" version: just made me think "guy who could swim fast and talk to fish" getting turned into "guy who could swim fast, talk to fish, and was all surly about it----plus looking like a reject from an 80's big-hair metal band...which *would* explain the surliness..." ;-)

[TimTwoFace]

Batman - Is a dick. Animated version is slightly less of a dick.

Batman is easily my favourite character - but like everyone else here, I hate how bitter and cold he is in the comics, currently. I don't find that interesting at all, especially since it's the same old crap, every story. Batman can be a tough-as-nails guy, but he has to have a heart, as well; we used to see that a lot in the comics, but then even in the animated series, we saw him lose his personality and become a one-dimensional sulking loner. This is one of the main reasons why I can't really get into JL or JLU.

Believe it or not, I actually prefer "The Batman's" current interpretation of Batman; he's tough, he's driven, but he can still crack a smile and be NICE once in a while to the people he cares about.

But yeah...the current Batman of the comics sucks. All Frank Miller all the time is not a good thing; just because we worship the ground he walked on in the 80's, it doesn't mean that interpretation of the character is what we want to see in every damned story.

As for characters I truly don't like - there's a long list, either because I don't know or don't care. SPAWN is one that I think totally blows, personally - it's just gore, violence, sex, and "adult situations" for the sake of being so.

-Tim

[Robin2099]

I used to hate The Punisher back when I read comics in the 90's, but after the movie came out I picked up Welcome back Frank by Garth Ennis and really enjoy the Punisher character now. Garth Ennis really made that character interesting and proved that a good writer can make any character interesting. Other characters that I never really cared for:
-Azreal: I think I misspelled that. But anyway he was a character that I never really cared for from the Batman mythos. Plus I left comics before his origin story but I heard all kinds of goofy stuff later on, like he was born from a guerrilla? Is that really true?
-Carnage: Venom was cool, but Carnage just wasn't his cool to me. Interesting concept though but he was handled poorly.
-Fantastic Four: Never got in to any of them. To me they were all just characters who weren't as cool as the X-Men.
Thats all for now. I haven't read comics for awhile but I am getting more actively into them again.

[Prism]

There are no superheroes that I really hate, but there are plenty I dislike and think are overrated such as.............

Batman: He's overhyped,overexposed and definitely overrated. It's like he was turned into DC's MartyStu. I like it when he loses every now and then.

Wolverine: He was decent when he first came out but lately they've been making him supermutant or something. And there are plenty of people in the Marvelverse who could take him out.

Jean Grey: How many times has she died and been resurrected? Plus I doubt she has a single flaw since she's always shown as perfect.

There are others out there I dislike but these come to my mind first.

[AdamYJ]

There are very few that I out and out hate, but there are some that I don't buy into quite so much as other people do. I list both.

Emma Frost- Oh, she's such an annoying slag now. She used to be okay in Generation X, but now I can barely stand her.

Punisher- Not my kind of character. He's pretty much a remorseless killer. I suppose he's a good character for some, but I won't read about him.

Now, for the characters that get my conditional approval.

Batman- For many of the same reasons that other people have listed. Sometimes though, he shows moments of true, positive, human emotion. That's what makes the character worthwhile.

Spider-Man- Pete's a good character, but sometimes I can't stand all his whining. I also think people give him too much credit as THE everyman comic book hero. He may have been the first, but there are other regular guy heroes who are just as good that I relate to even more than Spidey now. For example, I find it easier to sympathize with the more creative thinking of GL Kyle Rayner than with the empirical thinking of science whiz Peter Parker.

Captain America, Iron Man and Thor- I'll cop to them being pretty good characters in their own right (though Thor can get kind of boring) but why are these guys supposed to be so important to the Avengers? There are dozens of other characters in the canon who I think are just as good as these three.

[Leaping Larry Jojo]

Emma Frost. Outside of her dedication to her students I don't think Emma has any redeemable qualities. She's vain, selfish, and just too vindictive for my tastes. Emma seduces a married man just to spite his wife, insults the same woman after she saved her life (twice!) while standing over her grave and making sexual advances on her widower, and then insults her daughter by saying she should never have been born. Why am I supposed to like Emma, again? The fact that she is also an Ethics teacher is just icing on the cake, and these days she's giving Wolverine a run for his "Most Overexposed X-Man" award.
Turning once-great villains into "heroes" always turns lame after a while. The White Queen? Who?

Almost as bad as Spike turning "good" on Buffy.

[Clayface]

Hmmm. Not sure I really hate any characters. There are certainly ones that I don't like as much as a lot of other people seem to.

I don't care for Superman in general, for many of the same reasons listed by others. Too powerful, too straight and narrow, too clean-cut, too boy scout. It just bores me as a regular read. But I do like to read a Superman story now and again - things like the Dini/Ross collaboration, or Rucka's current run.

Another character I've never been able to get into despite repeated attempts is Daredevil. There's just nothing appealing about the character to me- nothing that snags me and pulls me in. He just seems kinda forgettable to me.

As for the Punisher thing. I don't think of him as a hero or even an anti-hero. I think him more of the villain we could all be if we got pushed over the edge. He does what we only imagine in our worst fantasies about people that tick us off. I like Punisher if he's written over the top with a good dose of absurdity thrown in (Ennis' initial take on the character), for the same reasons I like violent video games. It's a guilty pleasure.

I don't know anybody that likes the current Batman (specifically, post-Identity-Crisis), so I'm not sure if he really counts here.

[wolverine1892]

The character that really irritates me is Jean Grey or Marvel Girl or Phoenix or any other name they thought of. Come on, how many times is she gonna get back from the dead?! She is always there and it's always about her. Why not give some time to Storm? She had only one episode in Evo for herself. And let's face it people, she was in the movie just because they needed a good looking girl on the poster.
Now just because I'm a Wolverine fan, that doesn't mean that he is not an irritating hero. I like this guy because he's unnoying Cyclops and because of the misterious thing about his past. Although it's not that misterious since they made Origin. And he was given the whole you-can't-beet-me thing wich is becoming dull.
Wich brings me to Superman. Oh come on, the guy who can't get hurt in any way??? I think the only reason they made up that thing about the Cryptonite was because people were borred with him.
No one likes to see an invincible hero. But every creator wants to create one. Trust me. :anime:

"That should definately shake up your rep as the made-in-Hong-Kong version of me." Wolverine to Sabertooth in Ultimate X-Men, Return to Weapon X

[Sandoz]

Turning once-great villains into "heroes" always turns lame after a while. The White Queen? Who?

Almost as bad as Spike turning "good" on Buffy. See also: The Juggernaut.

Emma was an excellent villain in her White Queen days. That will always be the real Emma to me. Generation X's Emma was an okay character too, but she became utterly detestable in New X-Men. Her recent surge in popularity baffles me.

[The Weed Of Cri]

I can't stand a lot of superheroes who are created to be "trendy". The success records for such characters is spotty at best, and they tend to hang around way too long, after the trends that spawned them have died. Some examples:

The Punisher: Let's face it, he's just the Charles Bronson character from "Death Wish" in a (lame) superhero suit. The newest version of the character still touts his status as a Vietnam War veteran (which means he would be pushing 60 now).

Hawk And Dove: Speaking of Vietnam...These guys went out of vogue about the time The Monkees broke up, and haven't aged nearly as well, no matter how many times some flavor-of-the-month comic book wunderkind tries to "reinvent" them.

Luke Cage: Marvel's attempt to do the comic-book version of "blaxploitation" entertainment, recently reborn with execrable "gangsta" sensibility. If ever there was a superhero born to die in a hail of bullets...

The Young Avengers: Am I the only one who thinks this book is Marvel's version of Baby Looney Tunes? (Yeah, probably.)

[AdamYJ]

Hawk And Dove: Speaking of Vietnam...These guys went out of vogue about the time The Monkees broke up, and haven't aged nearly as well, no matter how many times some flavor-of-the-month comic book wunderkind tries to "reinvent" them.
I don't know. I really liked the Kesel version from the '80s and '90s. I didn't even know that they were thematically tied into the Vietnam era until lately. I'm looking forward to finding out more about the new version of Hawk that recently appeared in Teen Titans.


The Young Avengers: Am I the only one who thinks this book is Marvel's version of Baby Looney Tunes? (Yeah, probably.)
Have you read the book? It's very good.

[Patrick Bateman]

Any Bat-Partner who isn't currently or formerly a Robin.

Supergirl

Hulk

[Anthonynotes]

Wich brings me to Superman. Oh come on, the guy who can't get hurt in any way??? I think the only reason they made up that thing about the Cryptonite was because people were borred with him.
No one likes to see an invincible hero. But every creator wants to create one. Trust me. :anime:

That's "kryptonite" (spelled with a "k"), which was created for the 1940's "Superman" radio show as both a plot device (a weakness) and to allow Superman's radio actor Bud Collyer to take vacations----the show would in his absence merely have someone making moaning noises to show he was being tortured by the villain's kryptonite. In Superman's absence, Batman would show up as on the villain's trail/dealing with the missing Superman's whereabouts, IIRC.

Kryptonite was finally introduced in the Superman comics in 1949(?).

[Hurricane V1]

How is it that everyone thinks Superman is too powerful but when a debate on what characters can beat him shows up, it seems like everyone says Supes would go down hard? Eh, I guess I'm confusing one set of people with another.

He's powerful but not too powerful. I like how in the current Batman/Superman series, Supes zipped Darkseid to the edge of the universe in about five minutes, but Shazam and Supergirl still beat the poop out of him.

[Kryten]

Punisher: All the charm and personality of a flat tire. Needs to die, in the most painful and humiliating way possible.

The current ultra-paranoid-psychotic Batman. Enough already.

Raven, until recently. She was always more trouble than she was worth, bouncing between being a sullen, humorless cypher and a bwah-ha-haing villainous nutcase. The new version has a shot at growing a personality, though.

[ManicWebb]

Punisher: All the charm and personality of a flat tire. Needs to die, in the most painful and humiliating way possible. But if they killed him, they'd just bring him back in a limited miniseries, somehow boosting his popularity to new heights. I say let him drop into comic book limbo.

[Robin2099]

But if they killed him, they'd just bring him back in a limited miniseries, somehow boosting his popularity to new heights. I say let him drop into comic book limbo. That won't happen because truth be told, the Punisher is an entertaining character, but only in terms of how Garth Ennis writes him. The stories are almost like the movie Kill Bill in that there violent, but funny at the same time. It's become one of my favorite books to read now.

[Slade_Wilson]

I hate ALL heroes. There I said it.

[Slade_Wilson]

Hal Jordan: I don't care how many fanboys cried, he should've stayed dead, too. In my eyes, he's a mass murderer who committed genocide on a galactic scale.
Amen brother.

[RAINMAN]

Sentry. Really don`t know why all the hype this guy ben getting.:sad:

[The Frog]

Hal Jordan: Gotta agree with all the other people who said this. I just never thought he was that interesting. I like all of the other GLs (even Guy) more then I like Hal Jordan.


Wolverine: I never really did like Wolverine. I just thought he was a jerk. You also can't get away from him in the Marvel Universe because hes EVERYWHERE!

Well, seeing the above posts, I guess not everyone likes them. :p
There's probably more, but there are characters that I disliked before but now hate less because of a way a writer wrote them.

[Jor-El]

Hal Jordan: I don't care how many fanboys cried, he should've stayed dead, too. In my eyes, he's a mass murderer who committed genocide on a galactic scale.I agree he probably should've been left dead after The Final Night just because it felt extremely regressive to bring him back after 10 years of bad storytelling which evolved him past the role of simple "Green Lantern." However, if you can say that Hal committed genocide of a galactic scale, then you are simply wrong. The only two people that Hal killed flat-out were Kilowog and Sinestro (and as we know from Rebirth, Hal didn't really even kill Sinestro) and the rest of the characters, he just took their power rings. Yes, he was brutal and evil, but he was also under the control of the Parallax entity and he didn't kill anywhere near enough people to have committed a "genocide on a galactic scale."

I would talk about how much I hated the current Batman, but where haven't I done so? My hatred of the current Batman is well-known and well-documented. Any man who claims (as he claimed in JLA #116) that he would have stopped the League from mindwiping a vicious rapist deserves nothing less than an eternity in hell. His behavior for the last number of years makes me wish daily that we're going to discover he's a Bat-clone and the real Bruce Wayne is elsewhere.

[Faethie]

I cant stand Green Lantern. why? he thinks hes sooo cool. at least in JLU. he's like "I don't care who your cousin is, but next time you act like that I'm throwin you out of the league" to Supergirl and I was like rrrrggghhh....and hes too soft...blehhh:shrug:

[Jor-El]

I agree about the JLU John Stewart. The guy's just not really that likeable. In the comics, John's a great character though.

[Faethie]

I agree about the JLU John Stewart. The guy's just not really that likeable. And of course GL is the one who's juggling Vixen and Hawkgirl. :shrug: Sad, isn't it?

[Jade_GL]

And of course GL is the one who's juggling Vixen and Hawkgirl. :shrug: Sad, isn't it?
Um, he's not juggling two women, he is with Vixen now. He was with Shayera.

When you break up with someone, that doesn't mean your feelings for them magically disappear, and he seems to be still very much struggling with his feelings. They were never really resolved at the end of Starcrossed.

So I can see the guy being a bit messed up when it comes to his relationships at the moment, considering...

I don't hate any characters. It just takes a good creative team to make them shine. I didn't like Superman that much, and then I read Superman: For All Seasons and What Ever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow? I wasn't a huge Batman fan, then I read Batman: The Long Halloween. I didn't really dig Spiderman, then I read the first issues of Ultimate Spiderman. It's all about the stories.

Now, If there is one character I think is overexposed and that I am personally tired of at the moment, it's Wolverine. A great character that O think has been just taken to crazy lengths just to make fanboys happy. He cannot kill everyone, he cannot outlive event the cockroaches, he can die. I don't understand why we have an nigh unkillable Wolverine nowadays. It was more fun when he was vulnerable in the older Wolverine stories. But again, not the characters fault, that's writers, editors, etc.

[wonderfly]

Hmmm...I really can't say I hate ANY superheroes, I just hate it when they're placed in storylines that I detest...

Well, wait...I can honestly say I've never really cared for Plasticman.;)

And Spawn. Can't stand Spawn. No, wait, that's because of my feelings about Todd McFarlane, so that doesn't count. Does it?

[Style]

I can't say I really hate any Superhero. The closest I can get to that is that I think Spiderman 1 and 2 are vastly overrated, but I still like Spiderman himself.

And maybe the reason I don't like the movies is because I've been forced to sit through both of them hundreds of times. The reasons why are to complicated to get into.

[Fone Bone]

Super Goof. Goofy you don't need Super Goobers to be a hero! We like you just the way you are!

[Anthonynotes]

Super Goof. Goofy you don't need Super Goobers to be a hero! We like you just the way you are!

From my understanding, Super Goof was created in the 60's, when superheroes were the hot thing going in comics again (after the 50's fallow period), and other genres attempted at jumping on the bandwagon (Archie Comics had Archie become "Pureheart the Poweful", for instance). Though from what I've read, Donald's also (in European/Italian stories) has a superhero identity as well (one more popular than Goofy's)...

Sentiments about reviving old threads aside, my disliked-by-me-but-liked-by-everyone-else list hasn't changed any... let's see:

- Current comics' Batman: What Jor-El above said. My theory: the "real" Bats got shipped off to the Animated Series world somehow, and the current guy's either some clone or robot with Daffy Duck's personality somehow merged with Bruce's ("Oooohhh, no you don't, you scene-stealin' Kryptonian! *I'M* the star of this JLA comic, d'ya hear?! ME ME ME!" ;-) ).

- Byrne's version of Superman: Never much cared for his revamp of Supes...

- Probably anyone on "Smallville" save Lex, if that counts. Stupid whiny "Dawson's Creek" rejects...

Can't really think of anyone else. While I think Wolverine's overexposed/overrated, I still like the character...

[Faethie]

Um, he's not juggling two women, he is with Vixen now. He was with Shayera.

When you break up with someone, that doesn't mean your feelings for them magically disappear, and he seems to be still very much struggling with his feelings. They were never really resolved at the end of Starcrossed.

So I can see the guy being a bit messed up when it comes to his relationships at the moment, considering...what I really meant was that Shayera still likes GL. At least, thats what I gathered. She is weird. And Vixen is with GL now, but still...I think GL likes both of them.:shrug: :sweat: :ack:
He doesn't deserve either, though.:shrug:

[DarkHawk]

Hmmmm, I would have to say Hal and Mr Fantastic. Both are boring as hell and I like Guy wayyyy better then Hal.

[BrendaBat]

1)Punisher: I can't stand The Punisher (mostly because a friend of mine won't stop going on about how awesome he thinks the Punisher is :rolleyes: ).The Punisher is just Batman without a conscience. And that gets old real fast.

2)The new "Mary Sue" versions of Batman and Wolverine: Batman and Wolverine are both victims of their own hype. To please the fanboys, Wolverine and Batman have been turned into these invincable Gods that are universally feared and/or worshiped by everyone in their respective comics. This kills me because I love both characters.
And, as many of you have pointed out already, the new super-angsty "jerkass Batman" sucks.

3)Sin City: I don't know if the comic is any good. But the movie turned me off of it completely (I walked out after about 10 minutes).

[James Meeley]

Here's my list:

1) Green Lantern, Hal Jordan: Pretty much agree with everyone who said he was a boring and flat character. Also, any character who'd cause their fans to act in the way some of Jordan's did over the years, well, that's sure to get you on MY bad side.:mad:

2) Wolverine: Over-hyped chatacter of the decade. On top of that, the one cool thing about him, not knowing his background and origins, has now been ruined. Great way to destroy the air of mystery around the character, which made him popular in the first place.:shrug:

3) Jean Grey: Like that nuty ex-girlfriend that won't stop calling you, this over-exposed (you did she her outfit in Morrison's final New X-Men story, right?) mutant has had more comeback than any character in comics history. Please, please, please... just let her stay dead this time. We could use the break. Even Cyclops.:sweat:

[JTolliver]

Black Canary and Huntress, their gratingly, uppity, girl power kitsch makes me want to slap each of them across the mouth and tell them their second rate,

I know a lot of people hate current continuity Batman, and it's understandable, but I don't hate him, I pity him, because I know how amiable a character he can be when given a good writer. So don't hate Batman, instead read "Dark Detective" or "Legends Of The Dark Knight" till DC cleans up continuity.

[MilkManX]

I dont think I hate any hero but there are some that I just dont care for.

Wolverine post 1995/6 Ever since they came up with the ridiculus bone claw crap that charicter was wasted and they should have never gone with that crappy orgin story either. Barry Windsor Smith's WeaponX book was as much of an orgin that we needed.

I havent really read any current comics. I am currently reading all of the stuff from the 60's and 70's Marvel/DC era. So I cant comment about the current Batman but it sounds like its not very good.

[Stuckey]

Wolverine is the only superhero I really hate.

I wouldn't say I hate these characters, as if given a comic I'd read it. I just don't get all the hype and I wouldn't buy their stuff:

X-titles (and all characters) - The closest I came to liking an X book was Grant Morrison's run on New X-Men (I think. I get X-books mixed up), but I got sick of that by the end of the second TPB.

Spiderman - Visually, I love the character. I think he's one of the sharpest looking characters around. However, I can't stand the stories or Peter Parker.

It's not a charcter, but I really don't like team books other than JSA.

I used to really hate Superman, but now I'm starting to really like him.

That's all I got for now.

[RAINMAN]

I would talk about how much I hated the current Batman, but where haven't I done so? My hatred of the current Batman is well-known and well-documented. Any man who claims (as he claimed in JLA #116) that he would have stopped the League from mindwiping a vicious rapist deserves nothing less than an eternity in hell. His behavior for the last number of years makes me wish daily that we're going to discover he's a Bat-clone and the real Bruce Wayne is elsewhere.


I think he was gonna come up whit a different way of handling the problem,but the JLA stop him and mindswipe him too. If he was acting like a jerk before then hes really gonna be tick off for now on.:eek:

[rmarti3926]

Way too powerful, too goodie-too-shoes, and he always wear those tacky red briefs, even in the upcoming movie.

Now, I somewhat respect the Bruce Timm Superman (a bit), but I always feel uncomforatble about him. I rather refer superheroines in underwear than overpowered guys.

I felt uneasy on the guy. Even though he's an international icon, he still makes me a bit iffy.

[Marc]

There aren't any superhero characters that I dislike. The writer is more important to me than the character. A great writer can make Lameman exciting and interesting. I dislike Judd Winick's Green Lantern, or Kevin Smith's Green Arrow, or Jeph Loeb's Batman. But I really like Green Lantern, Green Arrow and Batman.

What I do hate is readers that pass judgement without doing any research into a character at all. How can you say you hate a character without learning anything about him/her? That kind of ignorance bothers me. You say the Hulk is big and stupid. Have you done any reading as to why he appears that way? Ever think there might be some character development going on? Oh, and this one is my favorite: "The Punisher is just Batman without a conscience." Thank you. I was able to laugh myself to sleep with that one.

Me? I'm willing to give any character a shot, and the ones that rub me the wrong way intrigue me the most. I do everything I can to learn about them and find out what it is that I dislike. And afterwards, then I make an informed decision as to whether or not they make my good/bad list. This works for writers too. Just based on Winick's Lantern or Smith's Arrow, I could say that I HATE those two writers. But I'd be lying. I've enjoyed some of their other work. By passing judgement without learning about something, you're just being ignorant. And I think it's rather disresepctful to the hard work many artists and writers have done over the years. You say that you don't have the time or money to read every Punisher story ever written? Fine. Then you don't really have an honest opinion about him.

And P.S.: It's Spider-man, not Spiderman.

- Marc

[Stuckey]

And P.S.: It's Spider-man, not Spiderman.

- Marc
haha So what?

I get what you're saying, but for me I just never could get into certain books. If a book grabs me, then I might go back and research and get the backstory and what-have-you. However, if I don't like a character I just drop them. I'm not going to waste time going back and reading the backstories and researching a character I don't like. There are plenty of good comics out there. I can stand to write off certain characters and still not have a shortage of quality books to read.

[BrendaBat]

Origionally posted by CaptainInfinity
Oh, and this one is my favorite: "The Punisher is just Batman without a conscience." Thank you. I was able to laugh myself to sleep with that one.
Jeez, you don't have to be a jerk just because you don't agree with someone else's judgement.
And nobody cares if its spelled Spiderman or Spider-man.


Origionally posted by CaptainInfinity
Me? I'm willing to give any character a shot, and the ones that rub me the wrong way intrigue me the most. I do everything I can to learn about them and find out what it is that I dislike. And afterwards, then I make an informed decision as to whether or not they make my good/bad list.I wish I had enough money, free time, and shelf space to do extensive research and/or buy every back-issue of Punisher before I check it out. But I don't. I shouldn't have to do research in order to read comics (I do enough of that at college). So if a character doesn't rub me the right way; I won't bother with his/her comics. Besides, I already get my "vigilante with a tragic past" fix from the much cooler Batman comics (mainly, the ones based off the animated series). So I don't need to waste time and money on a hero who strikes me as nothing more than Batman with a big-ass gun and no conscience.


Origionally posted by CaptainInfinity
This works for writers too. Just based on Winick's Lantern or Smith's Arrow, I could say that I HATE those two writers. But I'd be lying. I've enjoyed some of their other work. By passing judgement without learning about something, you're just being ignorant. And I think it's rather disresepctful to the hard work many artists and writers have done over the years. You say that you don't have the time or money to read every Punisher story ever written? Fine. Then you don't really have an honest opinion about him.Don't you think its a little ridiculous to say that a person can't have an honest opinion about a series unless s/he has read EVERY issue ever written? I shouldn't have to read a bunch of issues for my opinion to be considered valid. I read one Punisher book and didn't like it (the writing was OK, but I thought the character was lame). And I don't need to step in crap twice to know that it stinks. :p

[Marc]

Jeez, you don't have to be a jerk just because you don't agree with someone else's judgement.
And nobody cares if its spelled Spiderman or Spider-man.You don't think it's important to get someone's name right, whether they're a fictional person or not? If you don't see the problem in that, then I can't help you.

And I didn't mean to sound like a jerk and I'm sorry that my comment about your quote sounded so insulting. I really did find it amusing, but that doesn't make it right. It was flamebait and I was out of line. I'm not passing judgment on you personally BrendaBat, but I do have a problem with the way in which you've reached a conclusion concerning a certain fictional character.


Don't you think its a little ridiculous to say that a person can't have an honest opinion about a series unless s/he has read EVERY issue ever written? I shouldn't have to read a bunch of issues for my opinion to be considered valid. I read one Punisher book and didn't like it (the writing was OK, but I thought the character was lame). And I don't need to step in crap twice to know that it stinks.Do you think it would be fair for me to say that I hate Batman after having read only one lousy Batman issue? It would be fair for me to say that Batman is the lamest character ever? You honestly don't think that would be ridiculous? That's like hating Star Trek after seeing only one single bad Deep Space Nine episode, or hating all Jackie Chan movies after seeing The Protector. If that's fair, then it must be fair for me to hate all James Bond movies after seeing Moonraker, or all Green Lantern books because of Winick. I don't hate the Green Lantern character, and I don't hate the James Bond films, only Moonraker (and Winick's issues of GL).

The loophole to my argument would be to say: "Based on what I've read about The Punisher, I don't like the character." What I'm trying to say is that if you HAD explored the character you'd see that he does have morals, he does have a conscience, he is not a thug, and many writers and artists have worked very hard to prove this point. In my opinion, he is a much more interesting and much better character than Batman. Of course, this is based on my opinion of the character after having read everything I could get my hands on involving either the Punisher or Batman. For the record, I have not read every comic featuring the Punisher and/or Batman. The exact opposite of this argument is true. I claim to love Superman, but even I have not even come close to reading every Superman story. Based on what I know about the character, I like him very much. True, it's entirely possible that a handful of issues may shatter my image of Supes, perhaps somehow, somewhere he is portrayed as a wife-beating drunk who kicks puppies and gives cigarettes to school children. It's not fair for me to say that Superman is the best superhero character ever, because I cannot honestly say that. He is my personal favorite, based on the stories I've read that feature him. You are free to think that the Punisher is the worst ever, based on what you've read about him.



I wish I had enough money, free time, and shelf space to do extensive research and/or buy every back-issue of Punisher before I check it out. But I don't. I shouldn't have to do research in order to read comics (I do enough of that at college). So if a character doesn't rub me the right way; I won't bother with his/her comics. Besides, I already get my "vigilante with a tragic past" fix from the much cooler Batman comics (mainly, the ones based off the animated series). So I don't need to waste time and money on a hero who strikes me as nothing more than Batman with a big-ass gun and no conscience.I'm currently working on a Marvel fan-fiction webcomic, and the Punisher will be appearing in the next few issues. Well, not the next issue (issue #4, the Daredevil issue, is due out sometime this month), but issues #5 and 6 will feature Frank. Now, you have absolutely no obligation to, but I'm asking that you read those two issues when I finish them and give the character a chance. If you still hate Frank after reading MKA #5 & 6, well then, I can't offer you any money, but I will issue a public apology to you for wasting your time. In fact, I'll leave Toon Zone altogether. I may even quit the webcomic entirely. I'm so confident that I can make you see Punisher in a different light, that I can make you see that he does have conscience, that I can make you (possibly) shed a tear for him, I'm throwing down the gauntlet. I won't be altering anything about his background to suit my needs and will not be portraying him as a "hero". I leave his personality untouched. I may not be able to change your mind, you may still dislike him and never want to read about him again, but I honestly think I can make you understand him a little better and not see him as any kind of Batman rip-off. That was partly the point of this whole stupid webcomic idea in the first place. I'm not kicking up dirt here on the CBC just to get attention and readers. I know better than anyone that insulting your potential audience is a no-no. But I'm very passionate about these characters and I take them very seriously, almost to a fault.

So that's my proposal. All I ask for is a chance (of which you are under no obligation to partake in or even respond to).

- Marc

[Razor]

Ultimate Thor.

[rmarti3926]

I have to agree on Captian Infinity on The Punisher. He does have a consciene. He would not kill innocent people or the police. He only kills does who deserve death, and mobsters and evil criminals.

[RAINMAN]

Then he must think spiderman, daredevil and wolvernie are criminals too cause he tries to killed them. That why I don`t like him because he goes after other marvel heroies.

[randomguy]

Then he must think spiderman, daredevil and wolvernie are criminals too cause he tries to killed them.Actually, no. He tried to kill Spider-Man in his first appearance only because he was fooled into thinking Spidey was a criminal. Outside of that, while the Punisher will attack Marvel heroes who get in his way, he goes to great lengths to not kill them. Frank Castle very clearly has a conscience, no matter how twisted it may be.

The exception would the The Punisher Kills the Marvel Universe one-shot, but that was an alternate reality story.

[Mike Spartz]

I've always liked the Black Cat. I know she's a rip off of Catwoman but I don't care. I think she's a fun character to read about and I like the scenes she has with Spider-Man. One particular scene that I remember is from The Evil Thing Men Do, when she and Pete are swinging around the city and she lands onto his back in mid-air and slaps the back of his head. That was harlious. :p

[BrendaBat]

Origionally posted by CaptainInfinity
Now, you have absolutely no obligation to, but I'm asking that you read those two issues when I finish them and give the character a chance. If you still hate Frank after reading MKA #5 & 6, well then, I can't offer you any money, but I will issue a public apology to you for wasting your time. In fact, I'll leave Toon Zone altogether. I may even quit the webcomic entirely.Or we could just agree to disagree. *waves white flag* :)
Seriously, I'd feel bad if you left Toonzone and quit your webcomic just because I never warmed up to The Punisher. Everyone has their preferences (I'm sure you hate a lot of characters and comics that I love), its not that big a deal.



Origionally posted by Spontaneous Mike
I've always liked the Black Cat. I know she's a rip off of Catwoman but I don't care. I think she's a fun character to read about and I like the scenes she has with Spider-Man. One particular scene that I remember is from The Evil Thing Men Do, when she and Pete are swinging around the city and she lands onto his back in mid-air and slaps the back of his head. That was harlious.Sounds like a fun comic. How old is it? Is it still in print?

[James Meeley]

CaptainInfinity is correct. The Punisher does have a moral code. He doesn't kill the innocent, or even "do-gooders" who get in his way. He only goes after men (and women) who are guilty of crime against the innocent. It's a fine line to walk, but it shows there are some thing even the Punisher won't do. So, he is more than a "Batman without the morals." And while most of us might not go to such extremes in our own moral code, it does prove that Punisher has one (no matter how twisted WE might think it is).

Now, if you want a TRUE "Batman without the morals", then Detahstroke the Terminator would much more likely fit the bill.:evil: :cool:

[DarkHawk]

Punny is okay.... I just think he tends to be overused a bit like Wolvie. He def has morals though and can be easily related to. I mean if my family got gunned down I would want to take out every criminal also.