The Official "Justice League Unlimited" Speculation Thread, Part 2 (Spoilers)

[Alba Aulbath]

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Welcome to the new Justice League Unlimited Speculation thread! Discuss what you think will be happening in upcoming episodes, hints and tidbits from interviews, press releases, episode descriptions--anything that's been officially released by the network or creative team is discussible here!

No discussion of unconfirmed rumors, leaked content or otherwise un-official subjects.

Part 1 here. (http://forums.toonzone.net/showthread.php?t=133344)
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Personally, I have this image in my head of the Flash getting "vaporized" somehow, leaving his intact costume ala Crisis on Infinite Earths. Then, in Epilogue, which takes place in the future of Batman Beyond, he reappears, and it's revealed that he was skipped ahead in time.

I could be wrong, but that's what I'm hedging my bets on.
You know, I'd enjoy that outcome, too. Poor young Wally trying to adjust to the future. Har har.

OH THE IDEAS.

But this was almost essentially like 'Hereafter', isn't it? Where Superman's 'vaporized', but sent into the future. Only, in my opinion, it'd be more interesting with the Flash in the Beyond setting. Because dammit, I adore the Flash AND Batman Beyond.

[Yojimbo]

I seem to be stuck on Lex Luthor's role. He will probably become president and to me, anyway, it seems his connection to Cadmus is a red herring. It almost reminds me of a cancelled Tv series called Angel that many of us members like to compare JLU to. But there was an anti-villain who returned in the last season that tried to kill the star character in order to prove his mettle and join an elite secret society devoted to the apocalypse. What if Lex Luthor is doing the same thing and trying to worm his way into Cadmus, given he has some limited knowledge of it when he worked with Hardcastle on "legacy", an effort to use Cadmus to his own will and orchestrate the perfect army. By taking control of Captain Marvel or Superman and/or manipulating a battle between them, he shows Cadmus what kind of worth he possesses. And instead, of making defenses against the League, attempts to take control of the League and use them as defenses against the world. A long time ago Luthor told Superman something to the extent of "What I can't control I will destroy." He already tried to destroy them on multiple occassions and failed, so maybe he's going the other route.

[All-Star 1.5]

Stepping away from the conspicracy for a moment is it possible that "Hunter's Monn" AKA "Mystery In Space" is actually the return of The Thanagerians?

[Paul_Cousins]

You know, I'd enjoy that outcome, too. Poor young Wally trying to adjust to the future. Har har.

OH THE IDEAS.

But this was almost essentially like 'Hereafter', isn't it? Where Superman's 'vaporized', but sent into the future. Only, in my opinion, it'd be more interesting with the Flash in the Beyond setting. Because dammit, I adore the Flash AND Batman Beyond.That would be the ultimate irony; the fastest man on Earth gets left behind in time. LOL!!

Wally (Flash) is always afraid of going so fast that time stops and he is stuck in a moment in time (JL S2 Ep Only a Dream Parts 1 & 2).

For him to be trapped in the future, being a cultural outcast from a bygone era would be ironic.

We would be talking serious 'fish out of water' here. But it would be fun to see how the fastest man on Earth can play catch up.

On the brightside, given Wally and Terry (BB: Batman) wisecracking, it would be fun watching them play off of each other. :cool:

[Karkull]

For him to be trapped in the future, being a cultural outcast from a bygone era would be ironic.
Who says he'd have to be stuck in the future? Flash traveled back and forth through time in the comics all the time. All they'd have to do would be to visit David Clinton's house and steal a time belt or build the cosmic treadmill or something.

[Paul_Cousins]

Who says he'd have to be stuck in the future? Flash traveled back and forth through time in the comics all the time. All they'd have to do would be to visit David Clinton's house and steal a time belt or build the cosmic treadmill or something.Well Wally's hasn't yet figured out how to use his powers to their full potential in the DCAU. In a nutshell, he doesn't know how to do something until he does it. :sweat:

[All-Star 1.5]

Who says he'd have to be stuck in the future? Flash traveled back and forth through time in the comics all the time. All they'd have to do would be to visit David Clinton's house and steal a time belt or build the cosmic treadmill or something.
I'm sure that he will go back to past if he is meant to go bak to the past. I mean if future Bruce or future Supes don't remember Wally going back in time then chances are they won't let him go back in time unless they want another "Time Warped" incident.

[Alba Aulbath]

That would be the ultimate irony; the fastest man on Earth gets left behind in time. LOL!!

Wally (Flash) is always afraid of going so fast that time stops and he is stuck in a moment in time (JL S2 Ep Only a Dream Parts 1 & 2).

For him to be trapped in the future, being a cultural outcast from a bygone era would be ironic.

We would be talking serious 'fish out of water' here. But it would be fun to see how the fastest man on Earth can play catch up.

On the brightside, given Wally and Terry (BB: Batman) wisecracking, it would be fun watching them play off of each other. :cool:
Oh, this cracks me up. :D But yeah, that was Wally's fear, I recall. AND NOW HE'S IN DA FUTURE. Woo.

I would adore seeing Wally being a fish out of the water, stuck in the BB timeline. I think it'd be fantastic to see his reactions to his former-and-now-old teammates (Bruce, Superman, and whoever else). And he would DEFINITELY get along with Terry, I'd bet.


Originally posted by Karkull.
Who says he'd have to be stuck in the future? Flash traveled back and forth through time in the comics all the time. All they'd have to do would be to visit David Clinton's house and steal a time belt or build the cosmic treadmill or something.
Unfortunately, that's the comics, and probably wouldn't ever sneak its way into the DCAU, or at least not for a longggg time. They haven't really addressed that kind of issue with the Flash yet (or ever will), along with so many other things. I would honestly not mind seeing him stuck, temporarily or otherwise, in the Beyond setting. But my bet's still on him gettin paralyzed in the legs.

[DLM]

Like I said a while back, my bet is on them having him disappear then using that to tell a Speed Force story in the next season.

EDIT: In the comics they gave a monkey the power of Supes... there was Beppo. But has there ever been a speedster monkey?

[Yojimbo]

Well, didn't McDuffie said they are taking more risks this season, so perhaps a coma is a definite risk rather than having the Flash get vaporized into the future ala "hereafter"?. Besides it seems like "epilogue" is more geared toward Bruce. Perhaps, Flash will return in "divided we fall" and lead everyone on.

[Alba Aulbath]

Well, didn't McDuffie said they are taking more risks this season, so perhaps a coma is a definite risk rather than having the Flash get vaporized into the future ala "hereafter"?. Besides it seems like "epilogue" is more geared toward Bruce. Perhaps, Flash will return in "divided we fall" and lead everyone on.
That's why I would think having Flash paralyzed would be a possibility. But a coma would work, with what a new season of JLU coming up after season two they'd probably need to quickly bring Flash back in. Still, I can't help but wonder what the heck they're going to do to Flash.

[Yojimbo]

That's why I would think having Flash paralyzed would be a possibility. But a coma would work, with what a new season of JLU coming up after season two they'd probably need to quickly bring Flash back in. Still, I can't help but wonder what the heck they're going to do to Flash.
True, all we know is 'fallen comrade', some getting paralyzed, beaten into a coma whatever the instance. I don't think I could handle another pseudo-death, but I'm pretty sure it'll be something along the lines of 'be careful what you wish for Flash fans' sort of things.

[Alba Aulbath]

True, all we know is 'fallen comrade', some getting paralyzed, beaten into a coma whatever the instance. I don't think I could handle another pseudo-death, but I'm pretty sure it'll be something along the lines of 'be careful what you wish for Flash fans' sort of things.
Wish for? Wish for what? :confused: Flash having an actual role in JLU? Heaven forbid.

[Revelator]

While trying to avoid the Pope deathwatch media circus I re-read some of Scott Tipton's invaluable Comics 101 articles on the Justice League (http://www.moviepoopshoot.com/comics101/107.html). As Tipton points out, it's rather startling that JLU decided to EVERY members of the late, unlamented "Justice League Detroit" team: Aquaman, Martian Manhunter, Elongated Man, Zatanna, Steel, Vixen, Vibe(!) and Gypsy. Probably Steel (not the Irons character, but Hank Heywood), Vibe and Gypsy are just there as "red shirts" for crowd scenes, but what if the staff actually has plans for these characters, or decides to spotlight them in episodes much further down the line? (Perhaps if the show gets yet another season and the writers run out of ideas for the more established characters. So far it seems that Vibe is friendly with Booster Gold--perhaps they can form the JLU Goof-off club with Flash and Elongated Man. And I wonder if Vibe's inctredible break-dancing abilities will manifest themselves down the line. What better way to stun Darkseid than stage a jive-ass pop'n'lock session right before his uncomprehending eyes?)

This makes one wonder if the animated futures of the latter four characters will in any way be influenced by their comics histories. According to Tipton, the JL Detroit characters were badly written and uninteresting, but surely the JLU staff can do a Mr.Freeze on many of these characters (even Vibe...perhaps).
In the comics, Gypsy was "a runaway from an abusive home with camouflage abilities and a vaguely defined illusion-casting power," and more interestingly, she formed a strong father/daughter bond with the Manhunter. That might semi-work in JLU. Other notable events and final ends in the comics that might be utilized for JLU: a Bruce Wayne/Vixen romance(!?!), Zatanna getting kidnapped and tortured and then sucuumbing to Stockholm syndrome, Vibe getting ambushed and killed by robots, Gypsy giving up superhero life to return to her abusive family, and the death of Steel, who smothers an explosion only to end up cripled and eventually shut down by his grandfather.
According to Tipton, Steel had "the most unjust and inappropriate origin I can think of for a teen hero, having been unnecessarily mutilated and operated on for years by his clearly insane grandfather, the former Commander Steel, grafting cybernetic implants and artificial body parts onto his formerly normal and healthy body, just to create a new hero to carry on the family tradition. And worse, rather than rebelling at this obvious abuse, Hank Heywood just goes along with it, allowing his grandfather to buy him a place on the Justice League with a ready-made headquarters."
I don't think this is inappropriate, but it is nicely twisted and ready-made for good drama. Considering his abused-child background, Steel might work well with a patriarchal leaguer like Batman, who could sort of take him under his wing, and when the character gets killed it could be a nice Jason Todd-type moment for Bats (especially since the current comics are diluting even Todd's death, and JLU is forbidden to use any of Batman's usual sidekicks)... I think I'm rambling at this point. You know you're hooked on a show when you're saddened that you don't write for it.

Anyway, as we've seen, the JL Detroit characters were considered pretty disposable by DC, so JLU probably has the freedom to do quite a good deal with them. This is what I find so exciting about the show: it can range over the entire DC superhero universe, and out of the raw materials of poorly written or conceived characters it can work miracles. If the show continues for even more seasons we could witness an entire galaxy of once-obscure characters that we'll grow to know and love even more than the big seven.

[JWangSDC]

uhm are you guys sure there's gonna be more JLU after this? It seemed to me that this is the last season..it's just when CN made the order, peolpe didn't realize it was accounting for 201-203 already

[Trevor Balena]

uhm are you guys sure there's gonna be more JLU after this?
Because Cartoon Network announced that there's gonna be more JLU after this.

[Bobbywoodhogan]

I've been thinking and i think there defo gonna go Beyond next season that way in next season's Finale they can do KINGDOM COME.

http://www.greatkrypton.com/kc/fanart/worldsfinest-col_craigrousseau.jpg

[JWangSDC]

Did they, you might wanna recheck the public announcement...




Because Cartoon Network announced that there's gonna be more JLU after this.

[MJC]

Did they, you might wanna recheck the public announcement...

http://news.toonzone.net/article.php?ID=1732

[Knight]

I've been thinking and i think there defo gonna go Beyond next season that way in next season's Finale they can do KINGDOM COME.

http://www.greatkrypton.com/kc/fanart/worldsfinest-col_craigrousseau.jpg
I have to say I highly doubt that they would scrap the modern day Justice League and do a whole season set in the beyond time. Thats something best left for a new show not for one with plenty of stories still to tell.

[Yojimbo]

I'm starting to like the idea of Justice Lord Batman playing a role in the Cadmus arc.I was rewatching "a better world" and noticed some odd posturing between Batman's at the end. When our Batman gives up and the next scene flash forwards to the other showing Arkham on the BatComputer, it seemed like they came to some verbal agreement afterwards not just silence, like maybe our Batman really was convinced by the line of having a world where an eight year old boy...and when everyone steps through the portal, Batman exchanges a nod to the other and after, the Lord Batman rushes off somewhere. It could still be nothing, as I don't know when this arc was planned out. But still, worthy of discussion

I also came up with another candidate for Cadmus backer/big bad. Since it has become increasingly known that Batman Beyond plays a role in the season finale, but what if there's more to it, like a villain introduced from Beyond is the master manipulator? THough most fans hated these guys with a vengenance, they had some connections to political upheaval and unseating Amanda Waller in the Janus Directive, KOBRA. Their leader, Lord Naga had a thing for high profile intrigue and has mentioned before has manipulated things within the US government in the comics. And his killer Atom Smasher happens to be on JLU. From what I remember on Beyond, KOBRA isn't what most fans remembered, fractured cells led by charismatic extremists. Take the Gotham cell, led by Xander, a biologically engineered leader (perhaps from Naga's DNA?). HE did come up with that insane plan to engineer a global reversal, sounds reminiscent of Naga's mindset.

[JLfan4life]

from the website that can't be named:

Cartoon Network has released its schedule for May 2-June 5 and it includes three new episodes of Justice League Unlimited.

On Saturday, May 21, "Task Force X" will air. Five incarcerated super villains are offered suspended sentences if they can survive an impossible mission -- to steal a deadly weapon from the Justice League¹s satellite headquarters.

On Saturday, May 28, "The Balance" will air. Wonder Woman and Hawkgirl must put aside their feud and go to the depths of Tartarus where the evil sorcerer Felix Faust establishes dominion over Hades.

On Saturday, June 4, "Double Date" will air. Green Arrow and Black Canary race to stop The Question and Huntress from killing organized crime lord Tobias Whale.

may 21st is sooooooooo far away :crying:

[PeterFries]

Anyone else notice this tidbit on Dwayne's message board?

Fan: "How about Firestorm, Robot Man, Geo-Force, Katana, Halo, Nightshade, Peacemaker, Uncle Sam, Black Condor, The Human Bomb, Phantom Lady, Amazing Man, Guy Gardner, Superboy, Hawkman, Captain Comet, Dr. Occult, Shade The Changing Man, Black Orchid, Tuatara, Zauriel, Stealth, Celsius, Manhunter (Paul Kirk), Sargon, Harbinger, Animal Man, Damage, The Guardian, Johnny Quick, Liberty Belle, Ragman, Tarantula, Adam Strange and/or Vartox?"

Dwayne McDuffie: "You'll see one of the characters from your list by the end of next season." :eek:

[bobspoland]

yahoo........its back :D may 21st is long away i though it was gonna be back on the 14th

[EJill34]

Anyone else notice this tidbit on Dwayne's message board?

Fan: "How about Firestorm, Robot Man, Geo-Force, Katana, Halo, Nightshade, Peacemaker, Uncle Sam, Black Condor, The Human Bomb, Phantom Lady, Amazing Man, Guy Gardner, Superboy, Hawkman, Captain Comet, Dr. Occult, Shade The Changing Man, Black Orchid, Tuatara, Zauriel, Stealth, Celsius, Manhunter (Paul Kirk), Sargon, Harbinger, Animal Man, Damage, The Guardian, Johnny Quick, Liberty Belle, Ragman, Tarantula, Adam Strange and/or Vartox?"

Dwayne McDuffie: "You'll see one of the characters from your list by the end of next season." :eek:
I saw that, but I figured it could be almost any one of those characters, so it wasn't worth mentioning.

Oh, and May 21st is rather far away, but I think we can expect episodes 23-26 to air as a movie on July 2nd. I'll be telling my contact in Canada to tape JLU this Friday, though. Just in case YTV shows "Task Force X."

[MJC]

Anyone else notice this tidbit on Dwayne's message board?

Fan: "How about Firestorm, Robot Man, Geo-Force, Katana, Halo, Nightshade, Peacemaker, Uncle Sam, Black Condor, The Human Bomb, Phantom Lady, Amazing Man, Guy Gardner, Superboy, Hawkman, Captain Comet, Dr. Occult, Shade The Changing Man, Black Orchid, Tuatara, Zauriel, Stealth, Celsius, Manhunter (Paul Kirk), Sargon, Harbinger, Animal Man, Damage, The Guardian, Johnny Quick, Liberty Belle, Ragman, Tarantula, Adam Strange and/or Vartox?"

Dwayne McDuffie: "You'll see one of the characters from your list by the end of next season." :eek:

I'm betting it's Hawkman (the Hro Talek version).

[EJill34]

New info via Dwayne McDuffie...

""Task Force X" features a story by me and a script by comic book writer/artist Darwyn Cooke. "The Balance" has a story by Stan Berkowitz and a script by me."


I'm betting it's Hawkman (the Hro Talek version).I doubt it, because he says the end of next season (Season 3), while Hro Talak will probably be appearing this season in "Hunter's Moon." Unless of course the writers scrapped the "Starcrossed" follow-up they mentioned at last year's San Diego Comic-Con.

[Thorn]

*snip Peter's long list of speculated character appearances from the McDuffie boards*

Not being very long on imagination or knowledge of the more obscure, I'll hedge my bets and speculate Superboy. A "cousin" of her own to look after could serve as a handy plot device to shove Galatea's borrowed conscience to the fore and cause her to defect to the League, or at least bail on Cadmus. (Or what's left of it, post season 2 finale.)

[DarqueGuy]

Anyone else notice this tidbit on Dwayne's message board?

Fan: "How about Firestorm, Robot Man, Geo-Force, Katana, Halo, Nightshade, Peacemaker, Uncle Sam, Black Condor, The Human Bomb, Phantom Lady, Amazing Man, Guy Gardner, Superboy, Hawkman, Captain Comet, Dr. Occult, Shade The Changing Man, Black Orchid, Tuatara, Zauriel, Stealth, Celsius, Manhunter (Paul Kirk), Sargon, Harbinger, Animal Man, Damage, The Guardian, Johnny Quick, Liberty Belle, Ragman, Tarantula, Adam Strange and/or Vartox?"

Dwayne McDuffie: "You'll see one of the characters from your list by the end of next season." :eek:
Hmmm...if I were a gambling man, I'd probably say Firestorm or Nightshade. Firestorm because he was originally mentioned as being on the show and then seemingly pulled (which is my guess why Waverider is so prominent--a last minute change from a flame-headed character to an energy-headed character), possibly due to the new Firestorm being introduced in comics around the same time. Now that there's been time to get everything established, I could see DC giving the go-ahead.

As for Nightshade, my only reasoning behind that is because, YEARS ago in a Wizard JLA special, we saw a line-up of characters Timm wanted to use for an earlier version of the Justice League that never came to be. Characters like Green Arrow, Question, Black Canary and Vixen were all there. The only character featured who HASN'T shown up on the JLU, if I'm remembering things correctly, is Nightshade. The fact she made that cut of the team suggests to me that there's a fondness for the character among the production staff.

[Toddman]

Hmmm...if I were a gambling man, I'd probably say Firestorm or Nightshade. Firestorm because he was originally mentioned as being on the show and then seemingly pulled (which is my guess why Waverider is so prominent--a last minute change from a flame-headed character to an energy-headed character), possibly due to the new Firestorm being introduced in comics around the same time. Now that there's been time to get everything established, I could see DC giving the go-ahead.

As for Nightshade, my only reasoning behind that is because, YEARS ago in a Wizard JLA special, we saw a line-up of characters Timm wanted to use for an earlier version of the Justice League that never came to be. Characters like Green Arrow, Question, Black Canary and Vixen were all there. The only character featured who HASN'T shown up on the JLU, if I'm remembering things correctly, is Nightshade. The fact she made that cut of the team suggests to me that there's a fondness for the character among the production staff.I like your reasoning for Firestorm and Nightshade, DarqueGuy. Those two seem like the most logical guesses. The only thing I would add is that out of all the characters shown in the Wizard feature you mentioned, Black Lightning and Lightray have also not appeared on the show. But Lightray did show up on JL, and we know now that Black Lightning is apparantly off-limits.


Toddman

[DarqueGuy]

I like your reasoning for Firestorm and Nightshade, DarqueGuy. Those two seem like the most logical guesses. The only thing I would add is that out of all the characters shown in the Wizard feature you mentioned, Black Lightning and Lightray have also not appeared on the show. But Lightray did show up on JL, and we know now that Black Lightning is apparantly off-limits.


Toddman
You're right, I totally forgot about those two.

I'll have to dig that book up again.

[Alba Aulbath]

I have heard word that Timm and the gang don't have the rights to use Black Lightning. I don't know how true this is, but they did have a design for him. So I suppose they couldn't use him after all? I say Firestorm or Nightshade is quite likely, though. I'd LIKE to say Guy Gardner because I have a bit of a love for the guy, but I somehow don't see that likely. Maybe a mention at most.

[Yojimbo]

Firestorm and Nightshade seems possible. But what if it is Lightray, in the comics he did serve on the JLA and with the trend of New Gods becoming associated with the JLU; Orion, Mr. Miracle and Big Barda and the light hearted comment by bt that Darkseid will show up sooner or later, perhaps another Jack Kirby storyline is on the horizon next season.

[EJill34]

A little tidbit from our favorite He-Man animator regarding the current status of JLU episodes...


well, we ARE still working on them...the last two eps of the season aren't even back from korea yet, and then it'll be a month or so before they're "final", ready to air....i think the current plan is to run the remaining eps back-to-back-to-back....anyway, i hope so....it's gonna be a helluva run, definitely worth the wait.....

It seems that YTV won't be airing that many episodes before we get them here in the states.

[PeterFries]

A little tidbit from our favorite He-Man animator regarding the current status of JLU episodes....
D'oh! You beat me to (re)posting that info! ;)

[bobspoland]

...



It seems that YTV won't be airing that many episodes before we get them here in the states.
at least they will be showing some of them!!! i hope....may 21st is too long away

[EmaHalJordan]

i hope for Firestorm Ronnie Raymond


EmaHal

[Doomsday]

A little tidbit from our favorite He-Man animator regarding the current status of JLU episodes...



It seems that YTV won't be airing that many episodes before we get them here in the states.

Where and when did b.t. post that nice bit of info at. Thats good news that CN CAN show all the episodes without anymore breaks. And also good that Canada won't get the season finale before us so we might be the first one to get it for a change. Either way I'm sure its worth the wait.

[A.J]

I was wondering the same :confused: Where did b.t posted that info?? looks like not in TZ!

[PeterFries]

b.t. posts occasionally on the message board formerly known as Shane Glines' Board (http://www.sketchbooksessions.com/thedrawingboard/viewtopic.php?t=19813&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=300)

[J-Ranger]

Am I the only one here that thinks that Flash is going to die in "Flashpoint"?

[Knight]

Speaking of Flashpoint in the credits of the last ep ( Task Force X) I think they showed some clips from what might be that ep. We know that the voice actor for Heatwave said he worked with Clancy Brown and Powers Booth (Lex Luthor and Grood respectively) in a ep called Elegy which we know is the Flashpoint ep. In the clip I saw who Im sure is Heatwave fighting Batman and The Parasite then shooting a huge energy blast at Batman in what was the same battle ground environment. This may be the ep where something happens to Flash. It also speaks of a possible big scale villain team up when you consider possibly Luthor, Grood, Heatwave, The Parasite and possibly more bad guys(isnt Black Manta supposed to show up this year?) all working together it spells trouble for The League (Legion of Doom maybe).

[EJill34]

Speaking of Flashpoint in the credits of the last ep ( Task Force X) I think they showed some clips from what might be that ep. We know that the voice actor for Heatwave said he worked with Clancy Brown and Powers Booth (Lex Luthor and Grood respectively) in a ep called Elegy which we know is the Flashpoint ep. In the clip I saw who Im sure is Heatwave fighting Batman and The Parasite then shooting a huge energy blast at Batman in what was the same battle ground environment. This may be the ep where something happens to Flash. It also speaks of a possible big scale villain team up when you consider possibly Luthor, Grood, Heatwave, The Parasite and possibly more bad guys(isnt Black Manta supposed to show up this year?) all working together it spells trouble for The League (Legion of Doom maybe).I doubt it's from "Flashpoint" because where are the previews for "Question Authority" and "Hunter's Moon" which both come BEFORE "Flashpoint" in production order. Basically, they wouldn't preview the next 6 episodes because by the time "Task Force X" was completed, I doubt they had all those shows back from animation. Heck, the last two episodes still aren't back from overseas.

But that guy does look like Heatwave.

[Knight]

I doubt it's from "Flashpoint" because where are the previews for "Question Authority" and "Hunter's Moon" which both come BEFORE "Flashpoint" in production order. Basically, they wouldn't preview the next 6 episodes because by the time "Task Force X" was completed, I doubt they had all those shows back from animation. Heck, the last two episodes still aren't back from overseas.

But that guy does look like Heatwave.Time will tell.

[Karkull]

[website name removed] said that it was Heat Wave.

Hey, Watchmen fans, quick question: what do you think the odds are of Question Authority ending in a similar fashion as Watchmen #5? You know, the Question captured by the authorites, someone tears his mask off, and he screams, "No! My face! Give it back!"

If he gets taken out early I hope they do this little homage.

[EJill34]

[website name removed] said that it was Heat Wave.

Hey, Watchmen fans, quick question: what do you think the odds are of Question Authority ending in a similar fashion as Watchmen #5? You know, the Question captured by the authorites, someone tears his mask off, and he screams, "No! My face! Give it back!"

If he gets taken out early I hope they do this little homage.I don't think The Question has that same fixation with covering his face, because we saw it as clear as day in "Fearful Symmetry." I really hope that he doesn't get taken out early on in the game, but if he does, I assume he'll come back in the finale. I'm a bit baffled by the name "Question Authority," though. It doesn't seem to imply anything obvious, but maybe someone else has some ideas?

Man, just thinking about this stuff is getting me all excited.

[Alba Aulbath]

[website name removed] said that it was Heat Wave.

Hey, Watchmen fans, quick question: what do you think the odds are of Question Authority ending in a similar fashion as Watchmen #5? You know, the Question captured by the authorites, someone tears his mask off, and he screams, "No! My face! Give it back!"

If he gets taken out early I hope they do this little homage.
I'd say: I wish. :D But like GMahler said, unlikely, since he's already taken off his mask once before... as evident by my avatar.

But he is a little crazy, so somehow, I wouldn't be surprised if he at least spazzes out in some form if someone else took off his mask.

[Simpler Simon]

I'm a bit baffled by the name "Question Authority," though. It doesn't seem to imply anything obvious, but maybe someone else has some ideas?
Well the official description says it involves a secret that shakes the foundations of the League....maybe something to do with where all their new funding is coming from? or maybe he has a falling out with the big seven (after Batman hired him to look into Luthor's paper trail), and starts forming a covert league within a league?

[dx/dt]

I don't know if this has been said before, but maybe the Question finds out that lord Batman and league Batman switched places after the events in A Better World . That way league Batman could help get things get back to normalcy in the lorder world, while lord Batman can make sure the league doesn't turn lord.

*or*

Let's say that Flash does die in Flashpoint. Perhaps the Question finds out that the Flash that died was actually a clone, and the real Flash is being kept away by a league member *cough*Batman*cough*. We have already seen that the cloning technology is available and works, and who's to say that Wane doesn't already have access to this technology and he knows who is using it? He lets loose a "dummy" Flash knowing that is is going to die, thus protecting the real Flash from perishing. Thus the league gets mad at Batman because he was keeping some pretty big secrets from them. I know this is kinda out there, but it's just pure speculation.

[Knight]

Well the official description says it involves a secret that shakes the foundations of the League....maybe something to do with where all their new funding is coming from? Im sure The JL thinks they know where their money comes from. Its possible that the story may evolve to where it has been Luthor supporting the new League all this time without their knowledge. That would be somewhat shocking if that's what The Questions investigation uncovers.


or maybe he has a falling out with the big seven (after Batman hired him to look into Luthor's paper trail), and starts forming a covert league within a league? I don't see that happening or having time to develop with the Cadmus War starting the very next ep and the entire League trying to hold their own against massive opposing forces. But maybe The Question does discover something that causes him to question The Leagues authority.




I don't know if this has been said before, but maybe the Question finds out that lord Batman and league Batman switched places after the events in A Better World . That way league Batman could help get things get back to normalcy in the lorder world, while lord Batman can make sure the league doesn't turn lord.That would be nothing short of a horrible revelation. On par with the Superman in Batman Beyond having been controlled by Starro for years. But this would be worse because that would mean that we have watched what wasnt "the real" Batman for the last two seasons of this show and almost half of the one before it.


*or*

Let's say that Flash does die in Flashpoint. Perhaps the Question finds out that the Flash that died was actually a clone, and the real Flash is being kept away by a league member *cough*Batman*cough*. We have already seen that the cloning technology is available and works, and who's to say that Wane doesn't already have access to this technology and he knows who is using it? He lets loose a "dummy" Flash knowing that is is going to die, thus protecting the real Flash from perishing. Thus the league gets mad at Batman because he was keeping some pretty big secrets from them. I know this is kinda out there, but it's just pure speculation. That is by far some of the wildest speculation that I have seen. I have to say I seriously doubt Batman has cloning technology though. Its not something his character would look into trying to gain I would say. That and a clone is still a living being. He wouldn't knowingly send out something like that (as a dummy) with the express purpose of getting killed even if he somehow knew that is what would happen, which Im sure he doesn't.

[Simpler Simon]

Im sure The JL thinks they know where their money comes from. Its possible that the story may evolve to where it has been Luthor supporting the new League all this time without their knowledge. That would be somewhat shocking if that's what The Questions investigation uncovers.
I'm betting it won't be Luthor, the obvious choice. Historically the team has always stuck in red herrings, and whats a bigger red herring than Batman himself speculating? Another villain I could see would be Vandal Savage, who fits the conspiracy angle nicely. However, as much as I love him I'm not sure I'd like to see him dominate this particular storyline, since he had a huge presence in JL.



That would be nothing short of a horrible revelation. On par with the Superman in Batman Beyond having been controlled by Starro for years. But this would be worse because that would mean that we have watched what wasnt "the real" Batman for the last two seasons of this show and almost half of the one before it.
I like his theory, but I'm sure b.t. shot it down himself, saying something to the extent of 'wish we'd thought of that'.

[Trevor Balena]

Bit of cool news: I just got the latest issue of Angel Magazine, and they had an interview with Amy Acker, who's going to be playing Huntress in JLU. The had a brief sidebar about JLU, where Acker said that she'd been brought in to play Huntress 3 or 4 times.

Of course, some of this could be ADR, so Huntress might not be in 3 or 4 separate episodes, but still, it certainly looks like we're going to be seeing quite a bit of Huntress!
Acker went on to say that the character is closer to Illyria than Fred... which is good, because I can't really picture Huntress being played as a frazzled Texan..

[MJC]

I think Justice Lord Batman may be funding Cadmus.

[Knight]

I think Justice Lord Batman may be funding Cadmus.Now that would be pretty interesting I can see it now.

Question: I found out who is funding Cadmus.

Batman: Who?

Question: You are.

(Batman big bug eyed expression :eek: )

No wonder Waller knows he's a rich boy. She has been working with his other dimensional counterpart.

[Karkull]

Here's my look (http://jl.toonzone.net/cadmus/cadmus2/cadmus2.htm) at the Cadmus money trail. I'm still guessing that it's a black project that the government is funding.

[EJill34]

Bit of cool news: I just got the latest issue of Angel Magazine, and they had an interview with Amy Acker, who's going to be playing Huntress in JLU. The had a brief sidebar about JLU, where Acker said that she'd been brought in to play Huntress 3 or 4 times.

Of course, some of this could be ADR, so Huntress might not be in 3 or 4 separate episodes, but still, it certainly looks like we're going to be seeing quite a bit of Huntress!
Acker went on to say that the character is closer to Illyria than Fred... which is good, because I can't really picture Huntress being played as a frazzled Texan..
3 or 4 times seems plausible to me. "Double Date," a role in the 4-part finale and an episode early next season.

[Simpler Simon]

Acker said that she'd been brought in to play Huntress 3 or 4 times.

Of course, some of this could be ADR, so Huntress might not be in 3 or 4 separate episodes, but still, it certainly looks like we're going to be seeing quite a bit of Huntress!
I think it could be 3 or 4 episodes. If the main 7 get taken out, we'll probably see the spotlighted members of the JLU step up, and Huntress should be one of them. Plus, I think she's talking about 3 or 4 different scripts and not just ADR stuff (because most actors/actresses would count that as part of one appearance).

And Karkull, love the Cadmus money trail page. Dunno why I didn't notice it earlier. I think you've covered all the logical bases. Though I don't think bringing Savage back would be a cheat any more than Darkseid would. And the DCAU Darkseid seems to take a more direct approach to conquering Earth than through conspiracy. I'm prepared to think its Brainiac if none of the above.

[EJill34]

And Karkull, love the Cadmus money trail page. Dunno why I didn't notice it earlier. I think you've covered all the logical bases. Though I don't think bringing Savage back would be a cheat any more than Darkseid would. And the DCAU Darkseid seems to take a more direct approach to conquering Earth than through conspiracy. I'm prepared to think its Brainiac if none of the above.Unless they can come up with a really good reason for Darkseid to be backing Cadmus, I don't want it to be him. Especially if mind control is involved (that seems like the only way humans would trust Darkseid) it would just diminish the true meaning of this Cadmus arc.

[Yojimbo]

Speaking of Flashpoint in the credits of the last ep ( Task Force X) I think they showed some clips from what might be that ep. We know that the voice actor for Heatwave said he worked with Clancy Brown and Powers Booth (Lex Luthor and Grood respectively) in a ep called Elegy which we know is the Flashpoint ep. In the clip I saw who Im sure is Heatwave fighting Batman and The Parasite then shooting a huge energy blast at Batman in what was the same battle ground environment. This may be the ep where something happens to Flash. It also speaks of a possible big scale villain team up when you consider possibly Luthor, Grood, Heatwave, The Parasite and possibly more bad guys(isnt Black Manta supposed to show up this year?) all working together it spells trouble for The League (Legion of Doom maybe).
Hmm, Batman fighting the likes of Parasite, Heatwave with Luthor and Grodd in seeemingly "clash"...then later episodes like "flashpoint" and "divided we fall". Legion of Doom, maybe, but it seems there is still a big piece of the puzzle still missing to connect him to the current arce.

Black Manta, it was off of Dark Lantern's clues but if he is actually appearing is anyone's guess. I think bt talked about how he didn't like Manta's origins too much so some of us speculated he'd return Orm as Black Manta someday.

[Soir]

What if the Justice Lord Flash was Barry Allen. And his death was like a crisis on infinite earths deal where it takes place on both worlds, lords and jlu universe.

Superman finds a shredded Flash costume and some bones and assumes it is wally west. While the real west is stashed away in questions bassment somewhere.

I just hope no member of the big 7 really dies, that would be the nail in the coffin for this show.

[EJill34]

Some random speculation about "Hunter's Moon"...

Thanagar is being taken over by Apokolips (led by Darkseid) and he forces the Thanagarians to send out a distress call to lure Superman into a trap. Shayera, Vixen and Vigilante intercept it, get inside a spaceship and make their way towards Thanagar. They run into trouble and Superman, GL and a bunch of other Leaguers follow to save their behinds.

Probably not going to happen and it doesn't make perfect sense, but maybe I won't be so far off.

[awh1978]

Speaking of the Flash, I seem to remember b.t. mentioning that he'd be talking in 4 or 5 episodes this season. He's already been in three, so looks like his time's just about up.

One other thing about voice time is that they seem to be saving the big two for the final half of the season. I doubt that Superman and Batman will play a significant role in Double Date or Hunter's Moon, so it seems likely they'll dominate the final set of episodes. As it should be, in my opinion, since this was originally planned as the final set of DCAU episodes.

[EJill34]

One other thing about voice time is that they seem to be saving the big two for the final half of the season. I doubt that Superman and Batman will play a significant role in Double Date or Hunter's Moon, so it seems likely they'll dominate the final set of episodes. As it should be, in my opinion, since this was originally planned as the final set of DCAU episodes.
That's one thing I'm extremely happy about: the fact that within the first 8 episodes of the 2nd season Batman and Superman would have only made two appearances. It really gives a chance to see the newer characters (or certain neglected original members) get some more screentime.

[Yojimbo]

Some random speculation about "Hunter's Moon"...

Thanagar is being taken over by Apokolips (led by Darkseid) and he forces the Thanagarians to send out a distress call to lure Superman into a trap. Shayera, Vixen and Vigilante intercept it, get inside a spaceship and make their way towards Thanagar. They run into trouble and Superman, GL and a bunch of other Leaguers follow to save their behinds.

Probably not going to happen and it doesn't make perfect sense, but maybe I won't be so far off.
The only thing we know about the episode is that its theme is a "space western", it was either bt here or McDuffie in an interview, so a showdown of some sort is in store. It is true that bt said Darkseid will reappear somewhere along the line, he is supposed to be invulnerable to some extent. If Darkseid does appear, perhaps his little trip through the vacuum of space blasted him onto some Gordanian colony and he sends a distress signal to escape only to attract the trio and some Thanagarian scouts. That and 'hunter's moon' also means Moon of the Dead I think. That and the word 'hunter' in relation to Apokolips reminds me of Devilance, the head hunter for Darkseid.

[Alba Aulbath]

Speaking of the Flash, I seem to remember b.t. mentioning that he'd be talking in 4 or 5 episodes this season. He's already been in three, so looks like his time's just about up.
I've only seen him in two this season. What's the third?

[Batman Fan]

Originally posted by Alba Aulbath

I've only seen him in two this season. What's the third?

He has a small appearence in the Doomsday Sanction helping evacuate people off the volcanic island.

[EJill34]

I've only seen him in two this season. What's the third?
He's in "The Balance"

[Alba Aulbath]

He's in "The Balance"
Ah, okay. Danke.

[Style]

I've looked back a couple of pages, but I can't find the info.


What is "Hunter's Moon," and where did the info come from?

[EJill34]

I've looked back a couple of pages, but I can't find the info.


What is "Hunter's Moon," and where did the info come from?
"Hunter's Moon" is the final title of "Mystery In Space." b.t. confirmed it awhile back on another board.


Ah, okay. Danke.
He's got a great scene with some...interesting symbolism.

[Yojimbo]

"mystery in space" is the working title but someone else said it was retitled as "hunter's moon".

[jadzia2000]

OKay, I'm guessing that JLU will continue next season.

What I would like to see, as a ww/bats shipper, is the ultimiate ww/bats eppy that will rock the fans into the next DCAU universe.

At least one that will either a. close the relationship for good, after a few tests of their will towards each other or b. turn it into a relationship and end the so-called foreplay ( I prefer option b) :)

Obviously nothing will happen this season, unless the final eppy regarding bats tackles it, I would rather see it happen next season.

[Yojimbo]

At least one that will either a. close the relationship for good, after a few tests of their will towards each other or b. turn it into a relationship and end the so-called foreplay ( I prefer option b) :)

I'd rather see the relationship end once and for all. It's the epitome of beating a dead horse and a stick.

[Knight]

I'd rather see the relationship end once and for all. It's the epitome of beating a dead horse and a stick. Everyone has their take. Id rather see it continue.

[Yojimbo]

I simply prefer to see other characters be developed before continuing/ending that particular subplot.

[Kieralinn]

I'd rather see the relationship end once and for all. It's the epitome of beating a dead horse and a stick.
I agree. End it.

[Revelator]

I don't know if this has been said before, but maybe the Question finds out that lord Batman and league Batman switched places after the events in A Better World .
That would certainly make Batman's tantrum in "Doomsday Sanction" ("spoken like a true Justice Lord!") rather ironic...

[thanos28542]

That would certainly make Batman's tantrum in "Doomsday Sanction" ("spoken like a true Justice Lord!") rather ironic...
Wow! The more I watch that episode, the more I really think they did do a switch. If you notice right after the last JLer goes thru the portal, both Bats give each other a knowing glance like "alright, let's do this." So it could turn out that Lorder Bats is helping finance Cadmus battle against the league. So what do you all say? Did they switch in "a better world"?

[EJill34]

Wow! The more I watch that episode, the more I really think they did do a switch. If you notice right after the last JLer goes thru the portal, both Bats give each other a knowing glance like "alright, let's do this." So it could turn out that Lorder Bats is helping finance Cadmus battle against the league. So what do you all say? Did they switch in "a better world"?
Nope. b.t. debunked that theory awhile back.

[Knight]

Wow! The more I watch that episode, the more I really think they did do a switch. If you notice right after the last JLer goes thru the portal, both Bats give each other a knowing glance like "alright, let's do this." So it could turn out that Lorder Bats is helping finance Cadmus battle against the league. So what do you all say? Did they switch in "a better world"?I say they didnt. What reason would The League Batman have to switch out with the Lords one?

[Alba Aulbath]

Nope. b.t. debunked that theory awhile back.
Exactly. As much as it would have been an awesome twist, this isn't what's going to happen, and they definitely can't do anything like this now due to copyright stuff, I believe. Though I would like to see the Lords again sometime...

[Yojimbo]

I say they didnt. What reason would The League Batman have to switch out with the Lords one?
Since bt debunked the switcheroo thing, but it is important to note that in "a better world" Batman pretty much came to agree with the Lorder Batman deep down inside when he dropped his Batarang and gave up. But our Batman still isn't willing to go all the way like the Lorder did, if anything, in comparison to the Beyond prologue, Wayne does of course go back to Gotham full time and puts the squeeze on crime. The ROTJ flashbacks seemed indicitive of that but you could still argue Drake got kidnapped, that's why. But I happened to read that "rebirth" DC adaptation and they had extra scenes showing our Batman fighting common thugs and he used a technology interface on his arm to take them down. I feel that Batman is getting edgier. If you remember from TNBA, along with the Murakami makeovers, most of the villains became deadlier (Scarecrow learning how to take away fear, Mad Hatter learning to control animals and humans more efficiently etc) so Batman had to step it up.

[Phantasm]

So, when is the new episode airing and which one is it?

[Yojimbo]

So, when is the new episode airing and which one is it?
in the US "task force x" May 21

in Canada "double date" Friday

[Phantasm]

Thanks.:)

[EJill34]

in Canada "double date" Friday
It's very odd that neither www.canoe.ca (http://www.canoe.ca) or http://ca.tv.yahoo.com list the episode that's airing on Friday, May 6th. We can assume they'll show "Clash," but at this time last week, we already knew they were airing "Double Date" this coming Friday. I'm starting to get the feeling they might not air any shows past "Double Date." Honestly, I'm not sure I could wait until June 11th to see "Clash" but there's a certain thrill to seeing the episode in widescreen, rather than the odd feel you get while watching an episode in fullscreen.

[Yojimbo]

Thanks.:)No prob.


but there's a certain thrill to seeing the episode in widescreen, rather than the odd feel you get while watching an episode in fullscreen.
Agreed, I don't mind but I prefer widescreen. The only time I can remember that it will got to me was in the beginning of "a better world" when Superman was looking out the White House.

[EJill34]

Agreed, I don't mind but I prefer widescreen. The only time I can remember that it will got to me was in the beginning of "a better world" when Superman was looking out the White House.
It's most annoying when they have those large-scale, multi-layer battle scenes, so you end up losing some of the action.

[Yojimbo]

It's most annoying when they have those large-scale, multi-layer battle scenes, so you end up losing some of the action.
That is true, now that you mention it, when I viewed a rerun of "greatest story never told" in fullscreen, there was a lot of action phased out.

[thanos28542]

Nope. b.t. debunked that theory awhile back.

Bah! You guys sure know how to take the air out of my balloon! OK, I got another question for all of you. Who is the mystery man on the phone w/Hamilton in "Fearful Symmetry"? I say it's luthor. What say you all?

[EJill34]

Bah! You guys sure know how to take the air out of my balloon! OK, I got another question for all of you. Who is the mystery man on the phone w/Hamilton in "Fearful Symmetry"? I say it's luthor. What say you all?
Man, you're making me feel bad. I hate to say it, but...b.t. debunked that theory too. He said that he was just "some guy."

[Karkull]

Man, you're making me feel bad. I hate to say it, but...b.t. debunked that theory too. He said that he was just "some guy."
And Dwayne McDuffie said on his website that the character's identity was "a secret."

[EJill34]

And Dwayne McDuffie said on his website that the character's identity was "a secret."I recall interpreting that comment as just trying to add to the conspiracy aura. Still, it could play out later on, but I doubt it.


That is true, now that you mention it, when I viewed a rerun of "greatest story never told" in fullscreen, there was a lot of action phased out.
The only time I sat through an episode in fullscreen was a rerun of "The Return" and I couldn't believe how zoomed it looked. I vowed to never watch another episode in fullscreen again.

[thanos28542]

Man, you're making me feel bad. I hate to say it, but...b.t. debunked that theory too. He said that he was just "some guy."
:crying: Thanks B.T. I just lost a $50 bet w/my brother who said it wasn't Luthor! B.T., May camel fleas infest your armpits for all of eternity!:evil:

[J-Ranger]

Bah! You guys sure know how to take the air out of my balloon! OK, I got another question for all of you. Who is the mystery man on the phone w/Hamilton in "Fearful Symmetry"? I say it's luthor. What say you allNo it wasn't Luthor, I saw this episode the other day. The guy had three eyes, sort of looked like Tien from DBZ. And who is BT?

[Alba Aulbath]

No it wasn't Luthor, I saw this episode the other day. The guy had three eyes, sort of looked like Tien from DBZ. And who is BT?
Three eyes... wha...?

B.T. is Bruce Timm.

[A.J]

No it wasn't Luthor, I saw this episode the other day. The guy had three eyes, sort of looked like Tien from DBZ. And who is BT?
So Tien is the head of cadmus? dayum DBZ! its still everywhere! :p :anime: :D

[Yojimbo]

No it wasn't Luthor, I saw this episode the other day. The guy had three eyes, sort of looked like Tien from DBZ. And who is BT?
There's no way Despero is in on it despite the familiar husky voice, he's too busy pushing up daisies. I think it was just the shadow interplay of that scene.

if "some guy"="a secret" then that just puts a whole other spin on Cadmus. I wonder if Nuvo-Gen meant something else besides being a cover for Cadmus' cloning operations.

[A.J]

Ive been watching JL first season lately (currently airing at midnight in CN latino) and had the chance to watch The Enemy Belong last night...Couldnt stop wondering what happened to Lord Orm at the end...then I watched my DVd with the producers commentaries on those episodes and couldnt sop thinking about the chance of Lord Orm coming back somehow as Oceanmaster or else...If Cadmus is such an important project for the protection of the world world I think they should take care of the seas also...know what I mean?

Also cant stop thinking a way for Savage Vandal to come back in JLU...

[Alba Aulbath]

Ive been watching JL first season lately (currently airing at midnight in CN latino) and had the chance to watch The Enemy Belong last night...Couldnt stop wondering what happened to Lord Orm at the end...then I watched my DVd with the producers commentaries on those episodes and couldnt sop thinking about the chance of Lord Orm coming back somehow as Oceanmaster or else...If Cadmus is such an important project for the protection of the world world I think they should take care of the seas also...know what I mean?

Also cant stop thinking a way for Savage Vandal to come back in JLU...
I'm pretty sure Orm won't be coming back. He's not particularly interesting, and his main goal was to control Atlantis, I think. Basically take his brother's role for his own.

Now Vandal Savage? That's a possibility, I think.

[Kieralinn]

Here's my look (http://jl.toonzone.net/cadmus/cadmus2/cadmus2.htm) at the Cadmus money trail. I'm still guessing that it's a black project that the government is funding.

After reading your money trail I have one question? What IS the budget deficit for the DCAU's USA? ;) Nice reasoning through out.

[Yojimbo]

I'm pretty sure Orm won't be coming back. He's not particularly interesting, and his main goal was to control Atlantis, I think. Basically take his brother's role for his own.

Now Vandal Savage? That's a possibility, I think.
Well, it would be interesting if the creative team brought back Orm as Black Manta and was interested in helping destroy the League and joins up with Luthor and Grodd, Heatwave, Parasite and Black Mass (from what we've seen on "clash")

[DLM]

Well, it would be interesting if the creative team brought back Orm as Black Manta and was interested in helping destroy the League and joins up with Luthor and Grodd, Heatwave, Parasite and Black Mass (from what we've seen on "clash")Ummm, 'cept Orm and Black Manta are entirely different characters. A real Black Manta treatment would be cool but maybe too controversial.

[Karkull]

Actually, considering their history, a confrontation between Black Manta and John Stewart would be really cool.

[Yojimbo]

Ummm, 'cept Orm and Black Manta are entirely different characters. A real Black Manta treatment would be cool but maybe too controversial.
Well, bt once commented he didn't care for the name Oceanmaster. And Black Manta was mentioned by DL before he left so I just made a fallacy. Considering how most characters get reworked, the possibility of Orm returning as Black Manta is a far out possibility.:D

[thanos28542]

Well, bt once commented he didn't care for the name Oceanmaster. And Black Manta was mentioned by DL before he left so I just made a fallacy. Considering how most characters get reworked, the possibility of Orm returning as Black Manta is a far out possibility.:D

No! Orm returning as Black Manta is not a possibility as Orm is a white guy & Black Manta is a Black guy. I highly doubt B.T. would alter BM's origin or nationality. When & if BM makes his DCAU debut in JLU, I want the one, true BM & not Orm in his place!

[Yojimbo]

:sweat: Yeah, I agree but as DLM says, Black Manta is a bit controversial with his disorder and all, so if he does appear hopefully they'll skim over that part. The death fall on "the enemy below" so has me believing Orm didn't die but we'll see. I was hoping they'd use the idea that Aquaman's time with the JLU has estranged him from Atlantis again and Orm tries to manipulate another rebellion with the help of Black Manta.

[thanos28542]

:sweat: Yeah, I agree but as DLM says, Black Manta is a bit controversial with his disorder and all, so if he does appear hopefully they'll skim over that part. The death fall on "the enemy below" so has me believing Orm didn't die but we'll see. I was hoping they'd use the idea that Aquaman's time with the JLU has estranged him from Atlantis again and Orm tries to manipulate another rebellion with the help of Black Manta.

That would make for a cool storyline! Alot better than bringing back Orm as Black Manta. It sucks that Aquaman has such a small rogues gallery asides from Orm(aka Ocean master) & Black Manta. There really aren't any other good Aquaman villians out there for him to fight.

[Alba Aulbath]

There are some interesting new things to speculate on the episodes to come from brief scenes in the end credits from "Hunter's Moon". I haven't seen them except for one screen, but supposedly...

Superman crashes his way out of the Watchtower. This could be the case of "Flashpoint" in which something could have happened to Flash (or whoever the team member is; the title of the episode could be just pretty much fooling us). Also, apparently, the Question will be tortured by someone (looks like a doctor, someone's suggested Dr. Moon). Possibly in "Question Authority."

Thoughts?

[bobspoland]

i was on the YTV site tonight and they have fridays justice league as blank. so am guessing its going too be Double Date.

[Merlin Missy]

*ponders things what have aired and things that have been said*


- Great Big Hand at the beginning of time
- "I'm an angel."
- Hal frickin' Jordan


Anyone else starting to get a "Spectre" vibe for next season? I am, and I'm not sure why.

MM:)

[pel]

who's Black Manta? I'm not too familiar with the DC universe. I know the World's Finest website only pertains to the heroes/villains that appear in the series but is there a good website like an encyclopedia of the characters in the comics?

[Knight]

who's Black Manta?
Aquaman's most hated enemy Black Manta is a surface dweller who sought to rule the underwater world and has repeatedly clashed with Aquaman in the process.

Manta preformed his most damaging deed to Aquaman when he captured his young son and trapped him in a air bubble that would eventually kill him. He used this opportunity to orchestrate a fight and have Aquaman kill Aqualad to save Aruthor jr. In the fight Aquaman did indeed try to kill Aqualad to save his son but later decided to try to fight against Manta and his guards instead. The end result was death of his son and a downhill spiral for his life.

[Alba Aulbath]

Anyone else starting to get a "Spectre" vibe for next season? I am, and I'm not sure why.

MM:)
I'd be slightly enthusiastic if Spectre came along, but that's probably just because I'm a big fat Flash fan.

[Revelator]

I'd be slightly enthusiastic if Spectre came along, but that's probably just because I'm a big fat Flash fan.
Don't count on it--from what I've read the character can't be used for "religious" reasons, whatever those are. For the moment he's in limbo and probably won't show up, like Plastic Man and Blue Beetle, and until just now, Captain Marvel (the staff had to wait a long time for DC to let them use him).

[Alba Aulbath]

Don't count on it--from what I've read the character can't be used for "religious" reasons, whatever those are. For the moment he's in limbo and probably won't show up, like Plastic Man and Blue Beetle, and until just now, Captain Marvel (the staff had to wait a long time for DC to let them use him).
Not a big loss, I think. (But I do find that strange. Religious reasons? Duhwha?)

...Still upset about Blue Beetle and Plastic Man, though. D'arr.

[Yojimbo]

I do agree that Dr. Moon is a replacement for Hugo Strange in Cadmus and the scene takes place on "question authority" and Superman and Huntress mount a rescue mission and find a compound. The short clip of Superman getting punched through a wall makes me strongly believe that Superman and Huntress will run into Galatea. She was mentioned in "doomsday sanction" so it is only a matter of time when she returns.

[Alba Aulbath]

I do agree that Dr. Moon is a replacement for Hugo Strange in Cadmus and the scene takes place on "question authority" and Superman and Huntress mount a rescue mission and find a compound. The short clip of Superman getting punched through a wall makes me strongly believe that Superman and Huntress will run into Galatea. She was mentioned in "doomsday sanction" so it is only a matter of time when she returns.
True dat.

Might even be a good occasion for Dr. Hamilton to show up, but it might be too much to be shoved in one episode for that. Was there a clip of Superman getting punched through a wall? I though he just rammed himself through the wall of the Watchtower, which seems more like a Flashpoint clip to me.

[Yojimbo]

True dat.

Might even be a good occasion for Dr. Hamilton to show up, but it might be too much to be shoved in one episode for that. Was there a clip of Superman getting punched through a wall? I though he just rammed himself through the wall of the Watchtower, which seems more like a Flashpoint clip to me.
Pretty sure it was mentioned somewhere he got knocked through a brick wall or something. It might be just a rerun clip of "clash" but from the clips "question authority" seems like a good episode to return Galatea and have her fight Superman.

[bobspoland]

Pretty sure it was mentioned somewhere he got knocked through a brick wall or something. It might be just a rerun clip of "clash" but from the clips "question authority" seems like a good episode to return Galatea and have her fight Superman.
i want Galatea too fight supergirl again, then Superman and Supergirl confront Hamilton

[EJill34]

Here's a good way to see what episode the clips are from...

Look at Superman's face. The clips where he's smashing through a wall and smashing through the Watchtower look like they were done by D.R. Movie. The one of Superman and Huntress looks like it was done by Dong Yang. Or at least that's what my eye picked up. Anyway, Dong Yang (generally) does the even-numbered shows and D.R. Movie usually does the odd-numbered episodes, so you can figure it out that way.

[Yojimbo]

Here's a good way to see what episode the clips are from...

Look at Superman's face. The clips where he's smashing through a wall and smashing through the Watchtower look like they were done by D.R. Movie. The one of Superman and Huntress looks like it was done by Dong Yang. Or at least that's what my eye picked up. Anyway, Dong Yang (generally) does the even-numbered shows and D.R. Movie usually does the odd-numbered episodes, so you can figure it out that way.
Hmm so most likely it is from "flashpoint" and "question authority" separately? Superman most get knocked into the wall by someone like Black Mass if he makes it past "clash" since he has gravity powers or Luthor shoots him with a cannon (ala "the return" bunker) or something else. Thanks GMahler.

[EJill34]

Hmm so most likely it is from "flashpoint" and "question authority" separately? Superman most get knocked into the wall by someone like Black Mass if he makes it past "clash" since he has gravity powers or Luthor shoots him with a cannon (ala "the return" bunker) or something else. Thanks GMahler.
Sure. It's not a foolproof method as each animation studio has done two episodes in a row in the past, but it generally works.

Just a theory about "Question Authority"...

The Question discovers the secret that "threatens to shake the foundations of the Justice Leauge." He gets captured, he's being tortured, so Superman and Huntress lead a rescue party to go get him. In the end, The Question has sustained such bad injuries that he can't communicate the information he's learned.

[Alba Aulbath]

That's most likely it. Man, poor Question.

*is looking forward to it* :D

I wonder what the heck would threaten the foundations of the League, whether or not it may relate to Flash/the episode "Flashpoint"...

[Yojimbo]

The Question discovers the secret that "threatens to shake the foundations of the Justice Leauge." He gets captured, he's being tortured, so Superman and Huntress lead a rescue party to go get him. In the end, The Question has sustained such bad injuries that he can't communicate the information he's learned.
Sounds good GMahler. I've been looking around about Dr. Moon, and he's basically a Batman turned JLA villain that is master of mental manipulation and is able to convice people's minds towards whatever psychosis he wants usually through torture? Most likely a replacement for Hugo Strange.


I wonder what the heck would threaten the foundations of the League, whether or not it may relate to Flash/the episode "Flashpoint"...
Only thing that comes to mind is something ironic like all the spending, Batman did as Bruce Wayne to outfit the League went towards funding Cadmus and all the other metahuman projects. But it simply doesn't sound earth shattering enough.

[EJill34]

I just noticed something...

The upcoming action figure 3-pack of Green Lantern, Flash and Atom Smasher has a very nice (but possibly inaccurate) surprise. Like the other figures, the packaging says what episode this group appeared in. Well, according to Mattel, these three characters appear in "Panic In The Sky." Now, that could be wrong, but I thought I'd pass the info along.

[warmachine04]

I noticed from imdb.com that Gorilla Grodd will appear in the upcoming JLU episode "Flashpoint". Does this further speculation that Flash might tragically fall this season? :sad:

[Knight]

I noticed from imdb.com that Gorilla Grodd will appear in the upcoming JLU episode "Flashpoint". Does this further speculation that Flash might tragically fall this season? :sad:
Thats been known for awhile actually.

[Yojimbo]

Perhaps, but the denotative meaning of "flashpoint" is from science meaning "the lowest temperature at which a vapor will ignite or explode". Connotatively, the smallest possible thing that will set off the JLU to attack Cadmus. My shifting opinion is it will be based on fallout from "question authority" judging from the clips seen after "hunter's moon". 'To avange a fallen comrade' Question? 'Superman declares war on Cadmus'. But to note with GMahler's post, it seems if the Flash death speculation comes to light, it will be later on in "panic in the sky" or "divided we fall" or even "epilogue" possibly.

[Alba Aulbath]

I highly doubt the Flash will meet a cruel end, but it seems likely he will be gravely injured to the point of coma, or perhaps crippled. As far as I know, DC hasn't really allowed Timm and the team to kill one of their superheroes. And making connections with episode titles (for example "Brave and the Bold" was a series of comics that I believe started with Barry Allen (the Flash) and Hal Jordan (Green Lantern) teaming up, so Timm and team incorporated this title; also, "World's Finest" was a comic series team-up with Superman and Batman, but was made the title of the two-parter crossover with both Supes and the Bat) I'll have to say that the result of Flashpoint will be with Wally in a wheelchair. Perhaps pemanentally.

[Hero Supreme]

I highly doubt the Flash will meet a cruel end, but it seems likely he will be gravely injured to the point of coma, or perhaps crippled. As far as I know, DC hasn't really allowed Timm and the team to kill one of their superheroes. And making connections with episode titles (for example "Brave and the Bold" was a series of comics that I believe started with Barry Allen (the Flash) and Hal Jordan (Green Lantern) teaming up, so Timm and team incorporated this title; also, "World's Finest" was a comic series team-up with Superman and Batman, but was made the title of the two-parter crossover with both Supes and the Bat) I'll have to say that the result of Flashpoint will be with Wally in a wheelchair. Perhaps pemanentally.
flashpoint has also been called elegy... for what its worth.

[Knight]

Well no matter what happens I doubt we will see either the permanent death or permanent crippling of any of the founding members. Whatever happens will be temporary. It always is in the comics.

[Bobbywoodhogan]

I have a question. With the key members of the JLU getting taking out before the final episode then do they recover for the final episode. Because Batman is in the final episode so do u think that the key members will return for the final episode?

[Knight]

I have a question. With the key members of the JLU getting taking out before the final episode then do they recover for the final episode. Because Batman is in the final episode so do u think that the key members will return for the final episode?
I would say so. The founders will bounce back in some way before the end I would hope.

[batmanbeyond13]

I say we enjoy the ride. There hasn't been a show out there that can leave you in suspense about what will happen next like this one. The J L U is definitely the best D C comic stories we have ever seen. I'm glad D C has taken chances with their characters in both the T V medium and in their comic books like the Identity Crisis.

[Doomsday]

Not really new news but looking at the guest appearances of JL at http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0275137/guests I see some people that makes what some people guessed right.
"Flashpoint" Episode: #4.10 - 2005
Powers Boothe .... Gorilla Grodd (voice)
Clancy Brown .... Lex Luthor (voice)
Lex Lang .... Heatwave (voice)


"Panic in the Sky" Episode: #4.11 - 2005
Kin Shriner .... Green Arrow (voice)


"Divided We Fall" Episode: #4.12 - 2005
Clancy Brown .... Lex Luthor (voice)


"Epilogue" Episode: #4.13 - 2005
Will Friedle .... Future Batman (voice)

So Gorilla Grodd will be in "Flashpoint" teamed up with Heatwave to what I'm guessing take down the Flash. If Lex is teamed up with them is anyones guess. Now we know that Lex will be back for the 3rd part meaning he will have a big part to play in the finale. And also Will Friedle will be back for the voice of Future Batman which might mean that BB might of actually happen. :D

[awh1978]

IMDB stuff should always be taken with a grain of salt, since you can basically post anything you want. For example, the Hades info is wrong. I think it's more likely that whomever posted tried to make some educated guesses based on those episode blurbs. That being said, I'd be absolutely stunned if Terry didn't show up in the last episode. There's no point in having a show set in the BB era without having him show up.

[EJill34]

Completely out of left field guess here...but I think that "Clash" and "Elegy" are the same episode. Think about it...the previews for "Clash" have shown Heatwave and we know that Lex Luthor is appearing in the episode as well. This "Elegy" episode we've heard almost nothing about features both those characters as well as Gorilla Grodd, who could will Superman and Captain Marvel to fight. Also, Lex Lang (the voice of Heatwave) said he was recording lines for an episode around March, which could have been an ADR session. I'd venture a guess that "Clash" was completed around that time considering where they are in production currently.

Yeah, I know I'm probably wrong, but I figured I'd let it out there anyway.

[DLM]

How weird is it that someone named "Lex Lang" is voicing a part in the DCAU? When I first saw that I thought it had to be made up. ;) ;)

[Knight]

Completely out of left field guess here...but I think that "Clash" and "Elegy" are the same episode. Think about it...the previews for "Clash" have shown Heatwave and we know that Lex Luthor is appearing in the episode as well. This "Elegy" episode we've heard almost nothing about features both those characters as well as Gorilla Grodd, who could will Superman and Captain Marvel to fight. Also, Lex Lang (the voice of Heatwave) said he was recording lines for an episode around March, which could have been an ADR session. I'd venture a guess that "Clash" was completed around that time considering where they are in production currently.

Yeah, I know I'm probably wrong, but I figured I'd let it out there anyway.While I don't think The Clash and Elegy are the same episodes I do think that some misinformation could be purposely or inadvertently spread so that that Flashpoint/Elegy episode remains more of a mystery.

We know Heatwave , Lex and Grodd are all involved in a story together and it would make a lot of sense if that story was The Clash with Grodds mental powers of persuasion. He could make Superman and Cap fight but I guess we will have to wait until that ep airs to know for sure.

But to reiterate I don't The Clash and Elegy are the same episodes. A "Elegy" is a poem of mourning, a reflection on the death of someone or on a sorrow generally. That fits with the plot of Flashpoint where someone is seriously hurt or killed leading to Superman declaring war.

I personally think that there is someone behind the scenes that wants The League and Cadmus to fight and take each other out. The whole "killing" of a member and making it look like Cadmus when it might not have really been them works good.

I think when the true puppet master of the events reveals himself Cadmus will realize how much they really need the Justice League.

[Merlin Missy]

^ The uber-villain behind the past two seasons is Grodd???

Excuse me while my brain implodes.

MM:)

[DLM]

^ The uber-villain behind the past two seasons is Grodd???

I got no problem with that, everything is better with monkeys! :)

[Alba Aulbath]

^ The uber-villain behind the past two seasons is Grodd???

Excuse me while my brain implodes.

MM:)
You know, this shouldn't surprise me. Grodd is majorly intelligent, and can form better groups than Lex Luthor can. (Secret Society was evident of that) So the fact that he's been behind Cadmus or anything else? So not shocking.

[Knight]

^ The uber-villain behind the past two seasons is Grodd???

Excuse me while my brain implodes.

MM:)
I dont think Grodd is behind Cadmus just that he is working with or maybe for whoever is the driving force wanting a Cadmus/ JLU confrontation.

Plus Grodd was mentioned as being in prison as recently as the Ultimatium episode so I doubt he is the master mind.

[James Harvey]

Just an update for Canadian Viewers:

Canadian Network to Air Remainder of "Justice League Unlimited"'s Second Season (http://news.toonzone.net/article.php?ID=3429)

If this actually holds true, and no mistakes are made, then "The Clash" should be the next episode to air on YTV.

[Knight]

Well if what they announced holds true then all of JLU including the finale will air in Canada before it does here in the states.

[EJill34]

While I am still a bit wary about YTV's knowledge concerning their television shows, they just might be able to get all the episodes in time.

[bobspoland]

am not too happy about this. means they wont show the last epsiodes all at the same time, but then again...wooooooo its all finished

[Kieralinn]

Well if what they announced holds true then all of JLU including the finale will air in Canada before it does here in the states.

Task Force X is FINALLY airing, not this Saturday, but next Saturday. WHOOHOO!
This Saturday CN is repeating Clone Wars. Gee I wonder why? Could it have to do with Revenge of the Sith coming out next week?
Again......WHOOOHOO~!!! I LUV SW:D

[Yojimbo]

You know, this shouldn't surprise me. Grodd is majorly intelligent, and can form better groups than Lex Luthor can. (Secret Society was evident of that) So the fact that he's been behind Cadmus or anything else? So not shocking.
Hmm, if you read the mythology on the character Cadmus on someplace like pantheon.org, it seems like more along the lines of what Knight posted in that Cadmus will realize the JLU is needed. And judging by the synopsis of "divided we fall", we'll have a big romp of supervillains and Luthor and Grodd's lil ol 'Legion of Doom' appearing.

[Eji]

Just an update for Canadian Viewers:

Canadian Network to Air Remainder of "Justice League Unlimited"'s Second Season (http://news.toonzone.net/article.php?ID=3429)

If this actually holds true, and no mistakes are made, then "The Clash" should be the next episode to air on YTV. Oh wow.... those lucky bastards. :mad:

[Alba Aulbath]

Oh wow.... those lucky bastards. :mad:
Completely irrelevant, but I love your avatar.

JUST THOUGHT I'D SAY SO. :D

[Eji]

Completely irrelevant, but I love your avatar.

JUST THOUGHT I'D SAY SO. :D
Heh heh, thanks.



... I miss Ted. :crying:

[Alba Aulbath]

Heh heh, thanks.



... I miss Ted. :crying:
No prob. :D



...I miss Ted, too. :( Wah.

[Yojimbo]

I dont think Grodd is behind Cadmus just that he is working with or maybe for whoever is the driving force wanting a Cadmus/ JLU confrontation.

Plus Grodd was mentioned as being in prison as recently as the Ultimatium episode so I doubt he is the master mind.
True. So we know of Lex Luthor, Gorilla Grodd, Heatwave, Black Mass appearing on "clash" already. Before "clash" supposedly airs on YTV on Friday, I thought muse on Luthor's plan, which McDuffie commented as a good one or so. After rewatching Grodd's speech in Gotham Stadium near the end of "secret society" about the strong and the weak and the new order; I wonder if Luthor got footage of that speech and realized they both have the same idea along the same line. Then he moved some strings and had Grodd removed from prison. Luthor's plan, since it hasn't changed throughout JL, it must be to destroy the League, the X-factor when it comes to Earth's affairs.

[Knight]

True. So we know of Lex Luthor, Gorilla Grodd, Heatwave, Black Mass appearing on "clash" already. Before "clash" supposedly airs on YTV on Friday,. Lets not forget that The Parasite has been in previews fighting alongside Heatwave against Batman and Metamorpho. If these people dont show up in The Clash I assume they will be in Flashpoint.

[Yojimbo]

Lets not forget that The Parasite has been in previews fighting alongside Heatwave against Batman and Metamorpho. If these people dont show up in The Clash I assume they will be in Flashpoint.
I had a feeling I forgot one. Most likely we'll see more if not on that 'team', then on "divided we fall". Members have discussed the Mantis clip so most likely new and old will appear. I think this villain group will play a role in the season finale episodes though.

[The Evil Monkey]

I wonder if "Task Force X" (a rather cruddy new name for the Suicide Squad) is going to pull an "Our World's at War?" and steal the Phantom Zone generator, so they can spring DD?

Doomsday DID say that Superman would regeret not killing him. Plus, he (or the generator) is pretty much an "ultimate weapon".

I can't wait for the new eps, and I hope they start releasing DVDs of JL and JLU soon.

I'm pumped for the CM/Superman fight in the Clash, Dwayne had an interview in Wizard and made the fight sound SO cool...

[Knight]

I'm pumped for the CM/Superman fight in the Clash, Dwayne had an interview in Wizard and made the fight sound SO cool...
Is this a recent interview I dont read Wizard often. What else did he speak on?

[EJill34]

Interesting tidbit from a recent McDuffie interview in Toyfare magazine...

"...and there are things in this plot that tie into episodes as far back as the third episode of Batman: The Animated Series..."

That could mean "Nothing to Fear" (the 3rd episode produced) or "Heart of Ice" (the 3rd episode aired). Neither seem like prime episodes to tie into the conspiracy arc, but who would have thought Temple Fugate would be part of the Suicide Squad or Dr. Milo would be working for Cadmus?

[Knight]

Interesting tidbit from a recent McDuffie interview in Toyfare magazine...

"...and there are things in this plot that tie into episodes as far back as the third episode of Batman: The Animated Series..."

That could mean "Nothing to Fear" (the 3rd episode produced) or "Heart of Ice" (the 3rd episode aired). Neither seem like prime episodes to tie into the conspiracy arc, but who would have thought Temple Fugate would be part of the Suicide Squad or Dr. Milo would be working for Cadmus?
Thats some cool information. I wonder what the linking point is.

[Dwayne McDuffie]

Interesting tidbit from a recent McDuffie interview in Toyfare magazine...

"...and there are things in this plot that tie into episodes as far back as the third episode of Batman: The Animated Series..."

That could mean "Nothing to Fear" (the 3rd episode produced) or "Heart of Ice" (the 3rd episode aired). Neither seem like prime episodes to tie into the conspiracy arc, but who would have thought Temple Fugate would be part of the Suicide Squad or Dr. Milo would be working for Cadmus?

Don't overthink this. There are a few mistranscriptions in this interview and I believe this is one of them, mostly because I have absolutely no idea what happened in the third episode of Batman.

[Mister Intensity]

Don't overthink this. There are a few mistranscriptions in this interview and I believe this is one of them, mostly because I have absolutely no idea what happened in the third episode of Batman.
I find that there is a lot of overthinking on this forum about the slightly little tidbit of information that comes out on anything.

Mister Intensity

[EJill34]

Don't overthink this. There are a few mistranscriptions in this interview and I believe this is one of them, mostly because I have absolutely no idea what happened in the third episode of Batman.
I was just about to respond to Knight telling him that it was probably an error. Especially after that "gal" thing, I wasn't really sure what to think.

Thanks for the clarification, though.


I find that there is a lot of overthinking on this forum about the slightly little tidbit of information that comes out on anything.
I agree, but it sure is fun to overthink things.

[Knight]

Don't overthink this. There are a few mistranscriptions in this interview and I believe this is one of them, mostly because I have absolutely no idea what happened in the third episode of Batman.lol. Thats classic. I guess I know not to look for any 3rd ep of BTAS connection. How do some interviews get so screwed up.

I agree with GMahler though its fun to overthink things.

[Yojimbo]

It seems more like the linking points are the Batman villains that appear on JLU and all the splicing activity that links up BTAS, JLU and BB together nicely.

[Revelator]

Interesting tidbit from a recent McDuffie interview in Toyfare magazine...
Are there any other tidbits worth quoting from that interview?

[The Evil Monkey]

Is this a recent interview I dont read Wizard often. What else did he speak on?It was more of an article with quotes and teasers from McDuffie, Darwyn Cooke, and J.M DeMatteis but it had some good info on upcoming eps.

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From the April '05 issue of Wizard:

"The Clash," written by DeMatteis (of 80s JLA fame) and McDuffie, will feature the long-awaited debut of Captain Marvel, as well as the first-ever animated clash between him and Superman.
"I was never a huge Captain Marvel fan, yet every time I write the character I fall in love with him" said DeMatteis "Writing the episode, my inner 12-year-old was going, 'Cool! Captain Marvel just knocked Superman 20 miles across the city with one punch!' Guess we've all got a Billy Batson inside us, no matter how old we are."

Captain Marvel won't be the only fan-favorite character showing up this season, as Amanda Waller (who debuted last year) returns with some friends, namely Rick Flagg, Deadshot, Captain Boomerang and Plastique collectively known as the Suicide Squad(though what thier name will be on the show remains up in the air).
"This episode takes place from Waller and her team's point of view,"related Cooke. "In this episode the Justice League are the villains."

Fans will also be treated to more of Steel, a throwdown between Superman and Captain Atom, and further complications in the romantic triangle between John Stewart, the former Hawkgirl and Vixen. And for those viewers who have complained about the scarcity of a certain Scarlet Speedster in the first season, have no fear.
"We heard the complaints that there was not enough of The Flash, so he'll be back in a big way." revealed McDuffie. "He has a large role to play."

"We're trying things we've never tried before this year," said McDuffie. "Whether they work or not, you'll tell us."

The Supes/CM fight sounds like its' going to be tight, we'll be able to see my boy Rick Flagg and a Boomerang who is in his prime, more of the GL/HG/Vixen 'ship, we get to see more of Steel ('bout time!), and Flash has a big role to play in the finale!! It's going to be great.

Hmmm...I missed something...oh yeah SUPERMAN FIGHTS CAPTAIN ATOM!!
Wonder what sparks that little conflict...oh yeah, how do you guys make it so that you have to highlight the spoilers? Cuz I would've used it to blank out the info. Plus, the beginning of the article kinda spoiled a bit about who was behind Cadmus, so I'd blank it out on my next post.

[A.J]

I just hope that after waiting so long for The Flash to return they wont kill him as part of his big role in the season finale... :sad:

[Knight]

It was more of an article with quotes and teasers from McDuffie, Darwyn Cooke, and J.M DeMatteis but it had some good info on upcoming eps.

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From the April '05 issue of Wizard:

"The Clash," written by DeMatteis (of 80s JLA fame) and McDuffie, will feature the long-awaited debut of Captain Marvel, as well as the first-ever animated clash between him and Superman.
"I was never a huge Captain Marvel fan, yet every time I write the character I fall in love with him" said DeMatteis "Writing the episode, my inner 12-year-old was going, 'Cool! Captain Marvel just knocked Superman 20 miles across the city with one punch!' Guess we've all got a Billy Batson inside us, no matter how old we are."

Captain Marvel won't be the only fan-favorite character showing up this season, as Amanda Waller (who debuted last year) returns with some friends, namely Rick Flagg, Deadshot, Captain Boomerang and Plastique collectively known as the Suicide Squad(though what thier name will be on the show remains up in the air).
"This episode takes place from Waller and her team's point of view,"related Cooke. "In this episode the Justice League are the villains."

Fans will also be treated to more of Steel, a throwdown between Superman and Captain Atom, and further complications in the romantic triangle between John Stewart, the former Hawkgirl and Vixen. And for those viewers who have complained about the scarcity of a certain Scarlet Speedster in the first season, have no fear.
"We heard the complaints that there was not enough of The Flash, so he'll be back in a big way." revealed McDuffie. "He has a large role to play."

"We're trying things we've never tried before this year," said McDuffie. "Whether they work or not, you'll tell us."

The Supes/CM fight sounds like its' going to be tight, we'll be able to see my boy Rick Flagg and a Boomerang who is in his prime, more of the GL/HG/Vixen 'ship, we get to see more of Steel ('bout time!), and Flash has a big role to play in the finale!! It's going to be great.

Hmmm...I missed something...oh yeah SUPERMAN FIGHTS CAPTAIN ATOM!!
Wonder what sparks that little conflict...oh yeah, how do you guys make it so that you have to highlight the spoilers? Cuz I would've used it to blank out the info. Plus, the beginning of the article kinda spoiled a bit about who was behind Cadmus, so I'd blank it out on my next post.Ok I remember seeing this information before.

I do wonder what role Steel is going to play. There are only two eps left that havent aired in Canada yet aside from the four part finale. I wouldnt think he would have a significant role in Question Authority ,so maybe Steel appears in The Clash. If not he must has to play a role in the 4 part finish. Maybe he's the one who organizes The League after the founders go down. He's also one of those people that has been developed enough that they could kill him off.

[Karkull]

That brings up an interesting point: when the original seven fall, who's going to lead the League against Cadmus in "Panic in the Sky?" Based on appearances, I'm guessing either Green Arrow, Aquaman, Dr. Fate, or -- if things get really desperate -- the Question are going to lead...or maybe a mixture of the four of them.

[Knight]

That brings up an interesting point: when the original seven fall, who's going to lead the League against Cadmus in "Panic in the Sky?" Based on appearances, I'm guessing either Green Arrow, Aquaman, Dr. Fate, or -- if things get really desperate -- the Question are going to lead...or maybe a mixture of the four of them.
Dr. Fate is probably the best qualified out of that group but I could see GA or Aquaman doing it as well.

[Alba Aulbath]

That brings up an interesting point: when the original seven fall, who's going to lead the League against Cadmus in "Panic in the Sky?" Based on appearances, I'm guessing either Green Arrow, Aquaman, Dr. Fate, or -- if things get really desperate -- the Question are going to lead...or maybe a mixture of the four of them.
Logically, I'd say Dr. Fate. But depends on what's going to go down in "Question Authority", I might be inclined to say that the Question is involved, as well.

I would say that there won't be one leader after the Big Seven go down, since there is no one leader in JLU; the Big Seven have, basically, authority over the rest of the JLU, though arguably one could say J'onn leads considering he's usually organizing everything in the damned Watchtower. One might say it's Superman because it's difficult to not respect/follow him.

Regardless, if we were to have several leaders, I'd definitely be inclined to say Dr. Fate, maybe Question and maybe Arrow. Steel is also likely. I'm not so sure if Aquaman would WANT to lead the JL, especially since he normally plays 'part-time' member - at least, I think he does. He has displayed the occasional 'full member' status, and from one time to another he's also played 'founding members group talk', which I believe was in Ultimatum...

[HanaKirei]

Logically, I'd say Dr. Fate. But depends on what's going to go down in "Question Authority", I might be inclined to say that the Question is involved, as well.

I would say that there won't be one leader after the Big Seven go down, since there is no one leader in JLU; the Big Seven have, basically, authority over the rest of the JLU, though arguably one could say J'onn leads considering he's usually organizing everything in the damned Watchtower. One might say it's Superman because it's difficult to not respect/follow him.

Regardless, if we were to have several leaders, I'd definitely be inclined to say Dr. Fate, maybe Question and maybe Arrow. Steel is also likely. I'm not so sure if Aquaman would WANT to lead the JL, especially since he normally plays 'part-time' member - at least, I think he does. He has displayed the occasional 'full member' status, and from one time to another he's also played 'founding members group talk', which I believe was in Ultimatum...Hm... so essentially we may end up with a temporary 'big seven' (number may vary for all any of us knows) to fill the shoes of the originals? I sort of like that. If they divided the 50 remaining league members into groups with one of the prominent seven leading each one -- it'd definately make things more managable (least in my opinion, though a mass chaotic smackdown with fifty heroes running around is sort of neat in its own way). 'Course, I'm basically reiterating what's already been said here, aren't I? ^^; Suppose I'm just expressing that I like the idea. *hides*

(Oh, yes, and much love for the Question conspiracy avatar.)

[Alba Aulbath]

Hm... so essentially we may end up with a temporary 'big seven' (number may vary for all any of us knows) to fill the shoes of the originals? I sort of like that. If they divided the 50 remaining league members into groups with one of the prominent seven leading each one -- it'd definately make things more managable (least in my opinion, though a mass chaotic smackdown with fifty heroes running around is sort of neat in its own way). 'Course, I'm basically reiterating what's already been said here, aren't I? ^^; Suppose I'm just expressing that I like the idea. *hides*

(Oh, yes, and much love for the Question conspiracy avatar.)
Definitely realistic for them to split off into groups, each with a leader. But a temporary Big Seven could also supposedly work - ones that could temporarily fill in the shoes of the founding members who are missing in action. So I would have to say that I could see Dr. Fate, the Question, and Green Arrow filling in those shoes for awhile. While many see Question as a kook and paranoid detective, he has proven himself to be right and direct. Green Arrow didn't show much interest in the JLU at first, but we've definitely seen him take a quick interest and act as a strong member. Dr. Fate's capability of leading has also shown, I believe, when in taking in Shayera and Amazo into his home. Would anyone else be seen as a capable leader? Possibly, when considered. Aquaman and Steel have been mentioned. It's difficult to define a good leader, with all of the different personalities and with what we've seen of them so far. Perhaps also Vixen and maybe Black Canary?

(All must LOVE the Question conspiracy avatar. WOOSH.)

[HanaKirei]

Definitely realistic for them to split off into groups, each with a leader. But a temporary Big Seven could also supposedly work - ones that could temporarily fill in the shoes of the founding members who are missing in action. So I would have to say that I could see Dr. Fate, the Question, and Green Arrow filling in those shoes for awhile. While many see Question as a kook and paranoid detective, he has proven himself to be right and direct. Green Arrow didn't show much interest in the JLU at first, but we've definitely seen him take a quick interest and act as a strong member. Dr. Fate's capability of leading has also shown, I believe, when in taking in Shayera and Amazo into his home. Would anyone else be seen as a capable leader? Possibly, when considered. Aquaman and Steel have been mentioned. It's difficult to define a good leader, with all of the different personalities and with what we've seen of them so far. Perhaps also Vixen and maybe Black Canary?

(All must LOVE the Question conspiracy avatar. WOOSH.)
I'd say Question, Green Arrow, and Dr. Fate are definately good choices. *nod* Just hoping poor Question is capable by then, considering the possibility of what may happen in Question Authority. *fingers crossed* I'd nominate Supergirl to stand in as a temporary leader, but more than likely she hasn't quite hit the age/mindset to be able to handle such a thing. I could see her playing a big role on either Steel's or Green Arrow's teams though.

Black Canary and Vixen seem like good choices. I could easily see them being able to take charge and give good orders under pressure. More a personal preference than anything here, assuming he's still alive and kicking, I'd be glad to see Longshadow at least playing some sort of semi-major role. Maybe not a leader, but I'd like to see how the guy's evolved since he joined up with the League officially. Or something -- loved his introduction, but I'm sad we haven't really heard hide nor hair of the guy since. ^^; The finale seems like a good way to let us know where he stands at least.

Perhaps the Atom as well. Seemed like he did a pretty job job of taking charge of things in Dark Heart. Or maybe Zatanna...

(*worships/loves the avatar to bits* n_n)

[GL2k2]

Wait for it! :D
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v101/maxwell2k/wtf.bmp

[EJill34]

Are there any other tidbits worth quoting from that interview?
Nah, it wasn't very heavy on information. The questions ranged from "Will Vibe get more screentime?" to "What are the chances of a TT crossover?" Nothing that special.


...
Haven't seen you in awhile, GL. Nice to have you back...but...your picture isn't showing up.

[Revelator]

The questions ranged from "Will Vibe get more screentime?" to "What are the chances of a TT crossover?" Nothing that special.
Ah. Well then...will Vibe get more screentime? (Not that I really care, but I am a bit curious if they'll try redeeming the lamest Leaguer.)

[Alba Aulbath]

Ah. Well then...will Vibe get more screentime? (Not that I really care, but I am a bit curious if they'll try redeeming the lamest Leaguer.)
Color me clueless, but who the heck is Vibe?

[EJill34]

Ah. Well then...will Vibe get more screentime? (Not that I really care, but I am a bit curious if they'll try redeeming the lamest Leaguer.)No speaking part, but he will get a little more action (probably in "Panic In The Sky") in an upcoming episode. Apparently, one of their storyboard "gals" likes him, so she always sticks him in episodes with large-scale fight scenes.

[Revelator]

Color me clueless, but who the heck is Vibe? You've probably seen his visual cameos--he's namechecked in "The Greatest Story Never Told," and when Batman is racing through the watchtower to the javelin in "Doomsday sanction" he pushes aside Booster Gold and Vibe. (Who looked like they were conversing: I wonder what on earth they were talking about.)
For actual info on the character, scroll down halfway through Scott Tipton's page on the infamous "Justice League Detroit."
http://www.moviepoopshoot.com/comics101/107.html

Tipton's JLA columns are an invaluable resource, along with all of his Comics 101 articles. His take on Vibe:

"Vibe, a.k.a. Paco Ramone, the leader of the local Detroit street gang 'Los Lobos,' who in addition to his mutant power of generating sonic blasts, was also, according to DC’s WHO’S WHO, 'a superb breakdancer.' Count the stereotypes in that sentence. And by the way, isn’t breakdancing really what you’re looking for in a Justice Leaguer? 'Sure, you’re super-strong and you can fly, but how’s your popping and locking?' The book’s editor Alan Gold defended this obvious bit of topical pandering in the letter column, saying that JLA writer [Jerry] Conway incorporated Vibe’s breakin’ because he 'likes the look and the good feeling that goes with breakdancing.' Ooookay. Even worse, Mr. Electric Boogaloo was given the 'tough-guy-with-a-chip-on-his-shoulder' role in the team, with Vibe constantly butting heads with J’onn, Aquaman, Ralph and the occasional ex-JLAer like Batman or Green Arrow. It’s pretty hard to take someone seriously as a tough guy when they’re wearing a red scarf and parachute pants. However, it did occasionally make for a very satisfying moment, such as when Green Arrow has had just about enough of Vibe’s lip and cold-coc*ed the little punk." [Apparently toonzone won't let me reprint the entire phrase, though it only means "punched out".]

[Alba Aulbath]

Ahhh, now I remember him! I was wonder who he was in Doomsday Sanction.

[Yojimbo]

I figure Steel will appear alongside Batman and Metamorpho on "clash" or he will step up as a leader since he was introduced way back in STAS and is probably considered a junior or senior level hero by now. But Dr. Fate does seem like a qualified leader since he is a veteran super hero.

I think that information was the same as another interview he did with an online news site a couple months ago. He gets asked the same questions most of the time ayways.

[Phantasm]

So what episode's airing tonight again?

[HanaKirei]

So what episode's airing tonight again?
If you mean in the U.S., I believe there's some Star Wars Clone Wars Marathon going on. Thus no new JLU for another week. :sad:

[Knight]

Lets not forget that The Parasite has been in previews fighting alongside Heatwave against Batman and Metamorpho. If these people dont show up in The Clash I assume they will be in Flashpoint.
Well the Parasite did show up in The Clash but he was fighting solo and the person who I thought was Heatwave was a member of The Cadre alongside Black Mass.

In the previews we see Mantis fighting Superman so I think this is from Question Authority. So that ep will probably have Supes ,The Question and Huntress as the main stars.

[Karkull]

Based on what we know about the final few episodes, I think I have an idea about who's pulling Cadmus' strings -- it's a collaboration betweeen Luthor and Grodd. It just hit me when I was going over some posts that discussed how...snippy character's like J'onn and Superman have become. When was the last time we saw that? In "Secret Society."

Here's how I see it breaking down: the U.S. Government is footing the bill, Lex Luthor -- through LexCorp -- is the private contractor hired by them to provide the tech and science for Cadmus, Amanda Waller is the government agent assigned to supervise, and Grodd is providing his own Gorilla City super-science to the cause (in addition to using his mental powers to screw with select League members, making them act out of character).

It makes sense -- the League has grown too powerful, and the U.S. government fears what might happen if they were to threaten their power base. Who do you go to? Simple: professionals who are familiar with the League, how they operate, and their weakness. As for the U.S. government hiring bad guys to fight their wars...hey, they do it all the time (remember: Saddam Hussein used to be close pals with the CIA, back when he was holding back the spread of communism in the Middle East).

And the outcome? Well, picture the pairing of Luthor and Grodd. Luthor has the resources, the savvy, and the connections to the human world, while Grodd has the people-skills that Luthor lacks, allowing him to deal with other super-powered villains (the Secret Society did quite well, compared to the Injustice Gang). Luthor, who is busy running for President, gets to look like a hero after successfully fending off the "invasion" that the League will somehow be manipulated into being part of, and the spoils of war go to the two of them. Finally, Grodd may have it in him to save Luthor from his advanced case of Kryptonite poisoning / cancer. Hey, he can turn apes into humans, so why not?

What do you think?

[Alba Aulbath]

Karkull, I honestly believe that's pretty brilliant. I figured Grodd was involved somehow, when I heard he was going to be in an upcoming episode. While Lex has the cash and the businessman skills downpat, Grodd is better with organization and such. It might even be easier to explain how Cadmus is very capable of making their own superheros (even if the Ultimen were breaking down) and clones (Galatea). Grodd is very handy scientifically, and could have aided in refining their cloning skills with Kryptonian DNA. (Since Bizarro was the result of an attempt to clone Superman, if I recall correctly)

Plus, I could definitely see how heavily Grodd can be included in the upcoming Flashpoint. Bwa ha.

[Knight]

Based on what we know about the final few episodes, I think I have an idea about who's pulling Cadmus' strings -- it's a collaboration betweeen Luthor and Grodd. It just hit me when I was going over some posts that discussed how...snippy character's like J'onn and Superman have become. When was the last time we saw that? In "Secret Society."

Here's how I see it breaking down: the U.S. Government is footing the bill, Lex Luthor -- through LexCorp -- is the private contractor hired by them to provide the tech and science for Cadmus, Amanda Waller is the government agent assigned to supervise, and Grodd is providing his own Gorilla City super-science to the cause (in addition to using his mental powers to screw with select League members, making them act out of character).

It makes sense -- the League has grown too powerful, and the U.S. government fears what might happen if they were to threaten their power base. Who do you go to? Simple: professionals who are familiar with the League, how they operate, and their weakness. As for the U.S. government hiring bad guys to fight their wars...hey, they do it all the time (remember: Saddam Hussein used to be close pals with the CIA, back when he was holding back the spread of communism in the Middle East).

And the outcome? Well, picture the pairing of Luthor and Grodd. Luthor has the resources, the savvy, and the connections to the human world, while Grodd has the people-skills that Luthor lacks, allowing him to deal with other super-powered villains (the Secret Society did quite well, compared to the Injustice Gang). Luthor, who is busy running for President, gets to look like a hero after successfully fending off the "invasion" that the League will somehow be manipulated into being part of, and the spoils of war go to the two of them. Finally, Grodd may have it in him to save Luthor from his advanced case of Kryptonite poisoning / cancer. Hey, he can turn apes into humans, so why not?

What do you think?
I like it. Ive said in the past that I think Grodd has probably been using his powers on The League to affect their personalities. He has done it before after all.
Plus Luthor and Grodd could organize the ultimate team to take down The League...The Legion Of Doom. The League supposedly gets assaulted by their greatest enemies hopefully they drop Legion of Doom as the name for them.

[Willowhugger]

I think the Flash is going to die. Think about it? It's the perfect set up for a montage to the Justice Lords and the ending is probably going to be Superman NOT killing Lex.

Batman Beyond as a result of Luthor's horrible Presidency makes some sense.

[Alba Aulbath]

I think the Flash is going to die. Think about it? It's the perfect set up for a montage to the Justice Lords and the ending is probably going to be Superman NOT killing Lex.

Batman Beyond as a result of Luthor's horrible Presidency makes some sense.
I really doubt Flash is going to die. As far as I know, DC Comics ain't gonna let the DCAU kill off any hero characters. Maybe he'll be crippled or wounded greatly. Killed? I doubt it.

I say it more as a likeliness that'll happen, moreover than personal desire. Would I mind seeing Flash killed? Yes and no. He's a favorite character of mine, but it'd certainly be a plot development.

[JWangSDC]

looks like Question gets captured in Question authority and Supes and Huntress go to save him...I wonder if he'll be the "fallen" comrade

[Karkull]

As b.t. and others have said in the past, it's highly, highly unlikely that DC Comics will allow them to kill any of their characters on the show. That said, I certainly could see the Flash "disappear" through the actions of Cadmus and, since "Epilogue" takes place in the future, perhaps Wally falls prey to one of those old "Barry Allen" timeslips and winds up in the future. His super-speed powers tend to cause stuff like that (remember in "Legends" how his speed caused them to vibrate into another reality?).

I just hope that, should the Flash "die" in "Flashpoint," that he leaves behind his costume, ala Crisis on Infinite Earths. It's tradition, :p.

[Alba Aulbath]

As b.t. and others have said in the past, it's highly, highly unlikely that DC Comics will allow them to kill any of their characters on the show. That said, I certainly could see the Flash "disappear" through the actions of Cadmus and, since "Epilogue" takes place in the future, perhaps Wally falls prey to one of those old "Barry Allen" timeslips and winds up in the future. His super-speed powers tend to cause stuff like that (remember in "Legends" how his speed caused them to vibrate into another reality?).

I just hope that, should the Flash "die" in "Flashpoint," that he leaves behind his costume, ala Crisis on Infinite Earths. It's tradition, :p.
The 'Flash in Batman Beyond setting' suggestion by you before is still an interest, and a possibility. I either see this happening, or he goes crippled somehow, similar to events in the comic "Flashpoint".

Leaving behind his costume... does that mean he'll appear in the Beyond setting NAKED?

...Watch me fangirl all over that, yo.

[EmaHalJordan]

Originally Posted by Karkull
That brings up an interesting point: when the original seven fall, who's going to lead the League against Cadmus in "Panic in the Sky?" Based on appearances, I'm guessing either Green Arrow, Aquaman, Dr. Fate, or -- if things get really desperate -- the Question are going to lead...or maybe a mixture of the four of them.
na, AQUAMAN, GREEN ARROW & THE ATOM :)

EmaHalJordan

[Revelator]

Leaving behind his costume... does that mean he'll appear in the Beyond setting NAKED? I can just picture Wally walking naked into the batcave 50 years later...
Old Bruce: Oh holy crap on a stick...
Wally: Hiya Bruce! Boy, you sure are wrinkly. Do you got an extra pair of tights? It's kinda drafty in here.
Old Bruce: Ace! Stop sniffing him! Especially around there!
Terry: Hey Bruce, so you know this guy?
Old Bruce: Yes, he's .... THE FLASH!
Terry: (looks at Wally) You can say that again...
Wally: Well, sometimes I call myself The Streak.

[dlb]

I like it. Ive said in the past that I think Grodd has probably been using his powers on The League to affect their personalities. He has done it before after all.
Plus Luthor and Grodd could organize the ultimate team to take down The League...The Legion Of Doom. The League supposedly gets assaulted by their greatest enemies hopefully they drop Legion of Doom as the name for them.I agree that the "Legion of Doom" is a pretty corny name (of course when compared to their enemies "The Superfriends" they got the much better name). But then, the comic book "Secret Society of Supervillians" boast a pretty cheesy name too. This no doubt prompted the JL team to use the less dorky name "The Secret Society" for their series. If there is another supervillian team in the Justice League's future I hope they pay tribute to the "Legion of Doom", but follow the same path as "The Secret Society" in renaming it for a modern audience. How about "The Legion" as a name for the villianous team that could potentially take on the JL in the finale? It seems cool to me.

[Obsidian Age]

looks like Question gets captured in Question authority and Supes and Huntress go to save him...I wonder if he'll be the "fallen" comradeDoubt it. In commericials, Question is standing there, covered scars, with Huntress kicking some Cadmus troops around.

[Yojimbo]

I agree that the "Legion of Doom" is a pretty corny name (of course when compared to their enemies "The Superfriends" they got the much better name). But then, the comic book "Secret Society of Supervillians" boast a pretty cheesy name too. This no doubt prompted the JL team to use the less dorky name "The Secret Society" for their series. If there is another supervillian team in the Justice League's future I hope they pay tribute to the "Legion of Doom", but follow the same path as "The Secret Society" in renaming it for a modern audience. How about "The Legion" as a name for the villianous team that could potentially take on the JL in the finale? It seems cool to me.
Depends on if the Legion of Superheroes used just 'Legion' in that STAS episode from way back.

[Knight]

Does anyone see a problem with Cadmus actively assisting Luthor in his run for President other than me? Are they morons? I didn't think Waller wanted to just to eliminate the Justice League just to do it but apparently she does. She knows Luthor's whole good guy persona is a shame and she is going right along with it and now the two are in bed together (figuratively) planning and scheming to take down the League. This after all the good the JL has done is how they get treated. How many times have they saved the planet from beings Cadmus couldn't possibly hope to stop?

[Alba Aulbath]

Does anyone see a problem with Cadmus actively assisting Luthor in his run for President other than me? Are they morons? I didn't think Waller wanted to just to eliminate the Justice League just to do it but apparently she does. She knows Luthor's whole good guy persona is a shame and she is going right along with it and now the two are in bed together (figuratively) planning and scheming to take down the League. This after all the good the JL has done is how they get treated. How many times have they saved the planet from beings Cadmus couldn't possibly hope to stop?
Initially, this sounds like a really horrible idea. But keep in mind, Lex is only human. If they have to take him out, they will. In comparison to the metahumans, mutants, aliens, etc. in a "club" in a satellite/ship in orbit with a laser pointing down at the Earth, Lex running for President doesn't sound so bad. Plus, Waller probably feels confident that she can control him to an extent. After all, not ALL the power of the government is in the President's hand. There's Congress, the Senate, etc. Other branches of government are in control, not just the entire thing for the Pres. Presumably, if things get out of hand, maybe she expects that Lex could also be impeached. Basically, at first, it sounds like a bad idea - but if she plays her cards right, it'd all go in her favor.

[Knight]

After all, not ALL the power of the government is in the President's hand. There's Congress, the Senate, etc. Other branches of government are in control, not just the entire thing for the Pres. Presumably, if things get out of hand, maybe she expects that Lex could also be impeached. Basically, at first, it sounds like a bad idea - but if she plays her cards right, it'd all go in her favor.
Speaking of power who does Waller answer to? It seems like she is running Cadmus unchecked. Waller is supposed to be working for the government but it seems she may have her own personal agenda with her forming a union with Luthor. Do you think the current President has any idea what she is up to? If not I would say Cadmus is definitely some kind of shadow government.

I remember Maxwell Lord saying the Cadmus thing was huge and went so far up that even the people he works for are small fish. I don't see Waller as small and she is pretty much the biggest thing we have seen in the conspiracy so far.

[Alba Aulbath]

Speaking of power who does Waller answer to? It seems like she is running Cadmus unchecked. Waller is supposed to be working for the government but it seems she may have her own personal agenda with her forming a union with Luthor. Do you think the current President has any idea what she is up to? If not I would say Cadmus is definitely some kind of shadow government.

I remember Maxwell Lord saying the Cadmus thing was huge and went so far up that even the people he works for are small fish. I don't see Waller as small and she is pretty much the biggest thing we have seen in the conspiracy so far.
I'm almost positive that the President is well aware of Cadmus's existence. After all, in Doomsday Sanction, Waller was seen to have a phoneline specifically for the President - which Batman tapped into to call her to make her call off the missile filled with kryptonite.

But who does she answer to? Who knows. We probably won't find out until "Question Authority" - if then.

[Yojimbo]

Speaking of power who does Waller answer to? It seems like she is running Cadmus unchecked. Waller is supposed to be working for the government but it seems she may have her own personal agenda with her forming a union with Luthor. Do you think the current President has any idea what she is up to? If not I would say Cadmus is definitely some kind of shadow government.

I remember Maxwell Lord saying the Cadmus thing was huge and went so far up that even the people he works for are small fish. I don't see Waller as small and she is pretty much the biggest thing we have seen in the conspiracy so far.It is true that Waller has a line to the President, but Batman also revealed that Cadmus and other secret ops manage to bypass Congress and presumably the Senate as well in making decisions regarding national security. It seems that she reports to, if any, someone who is entrenched within the government as a mole or an independent party.

The Waller-Luthor alliance seems like an uneasy to best. Seeing how Waller couldn't even rely on her department heads (Milo letting Doomsday loose, Eiling firing the Kryptonite missile, Tala losing the Annihilator), forming an alliance with Luthor was the last straw. She must know how risky it is to involve her operations with someone like Luthor. And, Luthor, it seems to me that he plans on ursurping control somewhere along the line. As President he could easily engineer that. That's when Waller will probably realize how important the JLU really is despite their position of power.

I managed to figure on a big theory I suppose. On the Batman Beyond series, the JLU crossover two parter "the call" had the JLU Watchtower located in the heart of Metropolis. And the people there seemed to love the JLU as much as ever, practically idolizing them.

Now, we know most of the Timm staff are admitted Kirby fans. Take the season two opener "twilight". The New Gods lived to their namesake as gods in a floating city above their planet. They developed an aloof attitude, even prejudice against the peoples that lived below them. Then they were humbled, their city destroyed and they were forced to live on the surface of New Genesis. Highfather, the leader, recognized the value of Forager and his people and presumably has started a new realtionship with them again.
Now, with Lex Luthor and his project to build Lexor City in the heart of Metropolis. A city within a city that is hyped to be the epitome of human perfection and architecture. With it destroyed in "clash" and the ensuing battle between the JLU and Cadmus. I remember in the preview, J'onn and Superman were demolishing parts of the Watchotwer in space. Eiling and Cadmus have the shared concern that the Watchtower is a space based weapon of mass destruction. If the Watchtower computers can get hacked for files, what's to stop it from being hacked and taken over and the weapon used to arbitarily destroy cities on Earth.

Perhaps in the aftermath, the JLU Watchtower system gets dismantled. And with Luthor and Cadmus defeated, the JLU rebuild. Symbolically on the foundation of Lexor City in Metropolis. The JLU are humbled much like the New Gods were and start a new chapter in their history. It would tie in perfectly to the Watchtower on Earth in the Beyond timeline. On Earth, this transition from space would symbolically lead them to regain the trust and admiration of the people again.

[EJill34]

Excellent theory, kenshi. I really hope the creative team does something like that, because it just makes so much sense.

I've got a little theory of my own...

The big secret The Question discovers in "Quesion Authority" will have to do with the funding of Cadmus and the Justice League. I haven't fully formed the idea in my head yet, but I think that its possible to twist that seed into an Earth-shattering plot point.

[Yojimbo]

Excellent theory, kenshi. I really hope the creative team does something like that, because it just makes so much sense.

I've got a little theory of my own...

The big secret The Question discovers in "Quesion Authority" will have to do with the funding of Cadmus and the Justice League. I haven't fully formed the idea in my head yet, but I think that its possible to twist that seed into an Earth-shattering plot point.
Thanks.

As for funding, I always thought it would be something ironic, like all the purchases the JLU made with the government (buying Z-8's etc) were funneled into funding Cadmus, so in more than one way now, the JLU is responsible for creating Cadmus.

[JWangSDC]

That is a great theory. After seeing question Authority...something else struck me. Most of us believe batman will somehow be at the center of it all, but we all know bats is "good". I think the war between Cadmus and the JL will ignite and spin out of control with the JL winning in the end...but I think it'll be a false victory. What Kenshin hypothesized will happen, but I have a feeling Waller will see the threat that Luthor is much as Batman already knows the threat that superman could be and they will cut a deal and be pulling strings during the war.


It is true that Waller has a line to the President, but Batman also revealed that Cadmus and other secret ops manage to bypass Congress and presumably the Senate as well in making decisions regarding national security. It seems that she reports to, if any, someone who is entrenched within the government as a mole or an independent party.

The Waller-Luthor alliance seems like an uneasy to best. Seeing how Waller couldn't even rely on her department heads (Milo letting Doomsday loose, Eiling firing the Kryptonite missile, Tala losing the Annihilator), forming an alliance with Luthor was the last straw. She must know how risky it is to involve her operations with someone like Luthor. And, Luthor, it seems to me that he plans on ursurping control somewhere along the line. As President he could easily engineer that. That's when Waller will probably realize how important the JLU really is despite their position of power.

I managed to figure on a big theory I suppose. On the Batman Beyond series, the JLU crossover two parter "the call" had the JLU Watchtower located in the heart of Metropolis. And the people there seemed to love the JLU as much as ever, practically idolizing them.

Now, we know most of the Timm staff are admitted Kirby fans. Take the season two opener "twilight". The New Gods lived to their namesake as gods in a floating city above their planet. They developed an aloof attitude, even prejudice against the peoples that lived below them. Then they were humbled, their city destroyed and they were forced to live on the surface of New Genesis. Highfather, the leader, recognized the value of Forager and his people and presumably has started a new realtionship with them again.
Now, with Lex Luthor and his project to build Lexor City in the heart of Metropolis. A city within a city that is hyped to be the epitome of human perfection and architecture. With it destroyed in "clash" and the ensuing battle between the JLU and Cadmus. I remember in the preview, J'onn and Superman were demolishing parts of the Watchotwer in space. Eiling and Cadmus have the shared concern that the Watchtower is a space based weapon of mass destruction. If the Watchtower computers can get hacked for files, what's to stop it from being hacked and taken over and the weapon used to arbitarily destroy cities on Earth.

Perhaps in the aftermath, the JLU Watchtower system gets dismantled. And with Luthor and Cadmus defeated, the JLU rebuild. Symbolically on the foundation of Lexor City in Metropolis. The JLU are humbled much like the New Gods were and start a new chapter in their history. It would tie in perfectly to the Watchtower on Earth in the Beyond timeline. On Earth, this transition from space would symbolically lead them to regain the trust and admiration of the people again.

[Drizzt2218]

Wow, I've been lurking around and reading this thread daily (but haven't participated in a long while); and I have to say that the theory Kenshi posted regarding The Watchtower is one of my favorites, and I would love to see that happen.

Right now, JLU has really become an excellent show in its second season...anybody who knows me knows that I had some serious problems with a number of first season episodes (and the finale in particular); but the second season has blown me away, both what I've seen and the spoilers I've read. This team is outdoing itself this time around, and I couldn't be happier nor more pleased as a fan. It's a great time to be a fan of the DC characters. As "Task Force X" is finally kicking off what I hope is an uninterrupted run of JLU, I felt the need to stop lurking and post my thoughts. Kudos to the entire creative team of this series -- I thought Justice League peaked in its second season, but JLU looks to reach even further.

I'm very curious what role Grodd is to play in this saga that's unfolding...could he be pulling everyone's strings? To what end? Something tells me we're in for a number of shocks and twists before the Cadmus Saga reaches its conclusion, and I for one cannot wait to see it unfold.

--Larry

[Yojimbo]

Thanks all, I hope its right, its my favorite theory right now.

As for Luthor, from what I've heard about him on "clash", I'd go as far to say he made an alliance with Grodd to tweak with his physique if not clone him a new body and transfer his conscience. I re-watched "secret society" a few weeks back and listened to Grodd's speech at the end about creating a new world order. It would fit nicely into Luthor's run for presidency. As most other members have stated, Luthor could easily be the diplomatic face of this new order, while Grodd organizes the supervillains and pyschopaths into a shadow order that basically runs things like a modern age mafia. Furthermore, Luthor can act as a hero and increase his popularity by routinely 'capturing' super villains, only to let them off secretly. But as always, the JLU would be in the way of that. With Luthor's resources, he probably discovered the existence of Cadmus and engineered himself into their plans while secretly manipulating Cadmus and the JLU into destroying each other. killing two birds with one stone because even if Cadmus could destroy the JLU, eventaully Luthor would have to recognize that Cadmus could credibly threaten his intended power base and would have be neutralized sooner or later.

[Knight]

So what's the source of Luthor's new vigor and strength.

possibilities-

A)The vest used to halt the disease has now eradicated it and mutated his body past it.

B)Grodd who is a super scientist and expert with genetic mutations has cured Luthor.

C)Luthor cloned his body and had his consciousness downloaded to it.

D)Made a deal with the devil (or Ares) for a new body.

If B,C or D has happened Cadmus appears to be totally unaware of the situation. Meaning that Luthor as always has his own agenda.

[V.L.]

Not that I necessarily believe this to be the case but is it possible that Luthor has been given the John Corben special? The scenes in Question Authority seem to be an interesting parallel to the ones back in STAS. It'd be an amusing bit of irony if someone had gone and used Lex's own trick on him.

[Knight]

Not that I necessarily believe this to be the case but is it possible that Luthor has been given the John Corben special? The scenes in Question Authority seem to be an interesting parallel to the ones back in STAS. It'd be an amusing bit of irony if someone had gone and used Lex's own trick on him.I dont think thats possible. Hamilton examined him and he is still humanoid. Hamilton would have detected if he had a metal skeleton ala John Corbin aka Metallo.

[Yojimbo]

So what's the source of Luthor's new vigor and strength.

possibilities-

A)The vest used to halt the disease has now eradicated it and mutated his body past it.

B)Grodd who is a super scientist and expert with genetic mutations has cured Luthor.

C)Luthor cloned his body and had his consciousness downloaded to it.

D)Made a deal with the devil (or Ares) for a new body.

If B,C or D has happened Cadmus appears to be totally unaware of the situation. Meaning that Luthor as always has his own agenda.
I'd go for B or C with me leaning more towards B, I firmly believe Luthor has his own agenda and Waller recognizes that but sees no other way than to ally herself to Luthor.

[PeterFries]

Dunno if anyone's mentioned this, but wasn't the specialty of Ultra-Humanite the ability to transplant minds from body to body, including his own? Though it's never been spelled out on the show, I'd assumed that he'd transplanted his own brain into some kind of super-evolved ape thing...

Could that explain Luthor being in a new body...?

[Yojimbo]

Dunno if anyone's mentioned this, but wasn't the specialty of Ultra-Humanite the ability to transplant minds from body to body, including his own? Though it's never been spelled out on the show, I'd assumed that he'd transplanted his own brain into some kind of super-evolved ape thing...

Could that explain Luthor being in a new body...?
That's true, there was only that one-liner about Ultra-Humanite on "injustice for all", something to the extent of a 'mad scientist who put his brain in albino gorilla'. Given their relationship, I think Luthor wouldn't closely ally himself to the Ultra-Humanite though.

[Knight]

That's true, there was only that one-liner about Ultra-Humanite on "injustice for all", something to the extent of a 'mad scientist who put his brain in albino gorilla'. Given their relationship, I think Luthor wouldn't closely ally himself to the Ultra-Humanite though.
Yeah Luthor and The Humanite didnt exactly part on good terms with his whole betrayal thing but neither did Luthor and The Joker back during STAS Worlds Finest and they seemed to be ok around each other in Injustice 4 All. So its possible Luthor and The Humanite could have worked things out.

[PeterFries]

It sort of seems like Luthor is as surprised as Hamilton that he is healthy and strong and in remission. Didn't Ultra-Humanite make that special vest for Luthor in "Injustice for All"...?

Spoiler, if you haven't read "Golden Age":

In the Elseworlds miniseries Golden Age, Ultra-Humanite uses his superscience to put Hitler's brain into the body of young superhero Daniel “Dynoman” Dunbar...

[Yojimbo]

It sort of seems like Luthor is as surprised as Hamilton that he is healthy and strong and in remission. Didn't Ultra-Humanite make that special vest for Luthor in "Injustice for All"...?

Spoiler, if you haven't read "Golden Age":

In the Elseworlds miniseries Golden Age, Ultra-Humanite uses his superscience to put Hitler's brain into the body of young superhero Daniel “Dynoman” Dunbar...
Yes. Just comes to show once you think you know something about a piece of space rock...

[DLM]

I have this funny feeling based on Luthor's line "You have no idea how much power I'd have to give up to be President" (or something like that). What if what we think is Luthor has been Darkseid in disguise all along, at least for all his apearances this season. That might explain the presence of Mantis on Earth.

[Hero Supreme]

I have this funny feeling based on Luthor's line "You have no idea how much power I'd have to give up to be President" (or something like that). What if what we think is Luthor has been Darkseid in disguise all along, at least for all his apearances this season. That might explain the presence of Mantis on Earth.
that thought crossed my mind as well, but then, where is luthor?

i also thought that maybe amazo has something to do with it, but i may be just grasping at straws.

[Knight]

I have this funny feeling based on Luthor's line "You have no idea how much power I'd have to give up to be President" (or something like that). What if what we think is Luthor has been Darkseid in disguise all along, at least for all his apearances this season. That might explain the presence of Mantis on Earth.If this "Luthor" was "Darkseid" he certainly isn't displaying any of his personality traits. Darksied doesnt put on charades. Presidential campaigns , having medical exams done on him, TV interviews and spending money just to piss off Superman doesn't sound anything like something Darkseid would do. Plain and simple he doesn't care for those types of things. He would use agents but not be that involved to where he would personally subject himself to all of this. Darkseid as Luthor hosting a grand opening for Lexor City in The Clash? Yeah right. Thats more in line with Ares if anybody. So IMO is definitely Lex Luthor just with some kind of power up.

In addition I don't see how Darkseid being Luthor would help explain Mantis's appearance. Mantis did nothing to benefit the story in either a negative or positive way for Luthor. So him being in the ep doesn't justify anything.I think his showing up was explained pretty well in that with the civil war on Apokalips and he was looking to branch off and go else where to rule. Unfortunately he picked Earth which is perhaps the hardest planet in the universe to try to conquer.

[Batman_Beyonder]

Warning this thread in general may contain spoilers of upcoming episodes.

Judging from what we know already, for those who have seen (Clash,TasxforceX,Question Authority & A Better World) who do you believe the falling comrade may be, in the comics it measured up to the flash but as some may know the justice league unlimited has a few twists and the outcome may be different.... My bets are that the falling comrade may be The Question or most likely the flash via justice lords....For the sake of the flash I hope i'm wrong because the flash is one of my favorite characters....:crying: Who do you believe it is.

[DLM]

If this "Luthor" was "Darkseid" he certainly isn't displaying any of his personality traits. Darksied doesnt put on charades. Presidential campaigns , having medical exams done on him, TV interviews and spending money just to piss off Superman doesn't sound anything like something Darkseid would do. Plain and simple he doesn't care for those types of things. He would use agents but not be that involved to where he would personally subject himself to all of this. Darkseid as Luthor hosting a grand opening for Lexor City in The Clash? Yeah right. Thats more in line with Ares if anybody. So IMO is definitely Lex Luthor just with some kind of power up.

In addition I don't see how Darkseid being Luthor would help explain Mantis's appearance. Mantis did nothing to benefit the story in either a negative or positive way for Luthor. So him being in the ep doesn't justify anything.I think his showing up was explained pretty well in that with the civil war on Apokalips and he was looking to branch off and go else where to rule. Unfortunately he picked Earth which is perhaps the hardest planet in the universe to try to conquer.Hey, I said it was a "funny feeling".:) I know its a major major stretch, probably not worth a second thought, but I got the feeling somehow. Something about Lex's facial expressions and bearing in this episode seemed fundamentally different than the Luthor we've always seen, maybe its just the power rush of being newly cured and now suped up. *shrug*. I can ALMOST picture Darkseid being so pissed at Superman after Twilight that he would go to uncharacteristic lengths to utterly destroy Superman, including his self-image (see my theories on "Clash") even to the extent of slumming it with the likes of Cadmus and puny human politics. Then again, maybe its just the totaly pycho, super-criminal Luthor (from IJFA) reemerging and he's finally totally loosing it. In fact, after further consideration, it would cheapen the entire drama of QA if Luthor wasn't Luthor. Nevermind, you are right Knight :)

[Knight]

Hey, I said it was a "funny feeling".:) I know its a major major stretch, probably not worth a second thought, but I got the feeling somehow. Its just speculating its all fun. :)


Something about Lex's facial expressions and bearing in this episode seemed fundamentally different than the Luthor we've always seen, maybe its just the power rush of being newly cured and now suped up. *shrug*.
Luthor did seem particularly extra evil. That devilish grin on his face said it all. He knew The Question wasnt going to be able to harm him.




I can ALMOST picture Darkseid being so pissed at Superman after Twilight that he would go to uncharacteristic lengths to utterly destroy Superman, including his self-image (see my theories on "Clash") even to the extent of slumming it with the likes of Cadmus and puny human politics.
Hey If it turns out Darkseid is indeed Luthor I'll be the first one falling out of my seat because they totally fooled me and the first to congratulate you on your theory.


then again, maybe its just the totaly pycho, super-criminal Luthor (from IJFA) reemerging and he's finally totally loosing it. In fact, after further consideration, it would cheapen the entire drama of QA if Luthor wasn't Luthor. Nevermind, you are right Knight :)
I dont know if im right but with all the talk of the civil war on Apokalips I would think they would save a Darkseid appearance for next season where they could perhaps get more involved with this whole war storyline.

Im personally hoping they use this civil war opportunity to introduce Darkseid's father Yuga Khan the former ruler of the planet and have him take over. He would present a new and powerful threat to The Justice League.

[Yojimbo]

Im personally hoping they use this civil war opportunity to introduce Darkseid's father Yuga Khan the former ruler of the planet and have him take over. He would present a new and powerful threat to The Justice League.
I'd like to see more New Gods introduced like Devilance and Dr. Bedlam. Well bt did say Darkseid would return sooner or later...so cross your fingers.

[DLM]

I'd like to see more New Gods introduced like Devilance and Dr. Bedlam. Well bt did say Darkseid would return sooner or later...so cross your fingers.OOOOHHHH! Im having visions of JLU season 3.... Apokalips vs the JLU as a theme..... just go all out with it, a full on Kirby tribute season! Dare I hope?

[batmanbeyond13]

Anybody got a picture of this Yuga Khan?

[Gpoliceman]

Hello,

This is most likely NOT going to happen. However...

With that said, someone posted something on the message boards for the website "comicbookresources" that got me thinking.

What if "the Batman" in the JLU season finale is Terry, not Bruce?

Here's the logline for Epilogue, the JLU season finale:

50 years in the future, the history of the Justice League is the key to Batman’s darkest secret –and his final destiny.

Everyone here seems to assume the Batman is Bruce, not Terry. Anybody think it's Terry who meets his finale destiny? Does Terry have a secret?

My take: Nah. But it's worth a thought.

Greg

[Batman's Biggest Fan]

I'm guessing Terry will play a role in the story, but most likely it will be about Bruce.

[Revelator]

Anybody got a picture of this Yuga Khan?
Is he a Kirby character? I don't remember seeing him in "New Gods" or "Hunger Dogs."

[batmanbeyond13]

I think the Batman being referred to is Bruce. But I'm sure Terry will play a role.

[batmanbeyond13]

Yuga Khan is Darkseid's father.:evil:

[Yojimbo]

Is he a Kirby character? I don't remember seeing him in "New Gods" or "Hunger Dogs."This person has a few of him http://www.sean-walsh.com/ newgods/yuga.jpg (http://www.sean-walsh.com/%20newgods/yuga.jpg) if you do a Google search in Images of Yuga Khan, two show up. For some reason the link doesn't work.

[batmanbeyond13]

The link isn't working.:(

[Yojimbo]

Or perhaps the future of the persona per say, but both Bruce and Terry play roles. Something tells me it is about the legacy of the Batman identity.

[batmanbeyond13]

I'm sorry I jumped the gun. You did mention link was not working. Sorry.:)

[Yojimbo]

I'm sorry I jumped the gun. You did mention link was not working. Sorry.:)
It's okay, you can't tell edits until after the fact. But if you go to google.com and do the image search you can get thumbnails of Yuga, and well, let's just say we know where Darkseid's handsome genes came from :D

[batmanbeyond13]

This is my 100th post. And I want to thank you Kenshi528.:D

[Yojimbo]

This is my 100th post. And I want to thank you Kenshi528.:D
What can I say, I've made this thread my home away from home on tz.

As for some more speculation, some clips described showing the JLU surrendering to the government/Cadmus. One take I have on it is the core seven decide to place all bets on Batman and the rest give up while Batman infiltrates Cadmus and takes them on himself; effectively leaving the other members of the JLU to fend for themselves. The one hole is where is Flash in these clips. If I remember correctly, GMahler listed he, GL and GA and Atom Smasher were listed to appear in "panic in the sky" after reading it from some Mattel sets (though this info maybe 60/40 accurate). Would they do something drastic to make sure he doesn't die like in the Lords' universe like...keep him in the Phantom Zone?

[Batman_Beyonder]

Or maby Bruce confronts Terry about the secret, or vice versa.

[Azrael24]

i don't think terry has eeven been born yet, but he might have something to do with it.

[Knight]

i don't think terry has eeven been born yet, but he might have something to do with it.
The Epilogue episode takes place 50 years in the future so Terry is around.

[Yojimbo]

The Epilogue episode takes place 50 years in the future so Terry is around.
Or some people are beginning to hypothesize that Terry was pre-destined to become the second Batman in some arrangement that is part of Bruce's dark secret.

[Kieralinn]

Or some people are beginning to hypothesize that Terry was pre-destined to become the second Batman in some arrangement that is part of Bruce's dark secret.
I just watched "A Better World" again and it got me thinking....

What if Bruce's Darkest secret is that he had switched places with the Lorder Batman. What if Bats has been the Lorder Bats this whole time?

When Supes said "I almost thought you were him"

Batman replied " I am HIM"

Now, what if that wasn't a confirmation but actually more of a "We are one in the same" statement. And that nod at the end to each other. What if the 2 Bats have had a plan in place this whole time and we are now seeing it come to a head? What if they want the Justice Lords to happen? That would explain the stuff Question uncovered,

Of course, I could just be paranoid.

[dlb]

I just watched "A Better World" again and it got me thinking....

What if Bruce's Darkest secret is that he had switched places with the Lorder Batman. What if Bats has been the Lorder Bats this whole time?

When Supes said "I almost thought you were him"

Batman replied " I am HIM"

Now, what if that wasn't a confirmation but actually more of a "We are one in the same" statement. And that nod at the end to each other. What if the 2 Bats have had a plan in place this whole time and we are now seeing it come to a head? What if they want the Justice Lords to happen? That would explain the stuff Question uncovered,

Of course, I could just be paranoid.
That's been speculated here before, and it's a good theory, but a source no less than Bruce Timm himself poured cold water on it.

[Kieralinn]

That's been speculated here before, and it's a good theory, but a source no less than Bruce Timm himself poured cold water on it.
Glad to know I'm just paranoid:D

[Knight]

I just watched "A Better World" again and it got me thinking....

What if Bruce's Darkest secret is that he had switched places with the Lorder Batman. What if Bats has been the Lorder Bats this whole time?

When Supes said "I almost thought you were him"

Batman replied " I am HIM"

Now, what if that wasn't a confirmation but actually more of a "We are one in the same" statement. And that nod at the end to each other. What if the 2 Bats have had a plan in place this whole time and we are now seeing it come to a head? What if they want the Justice Lords to happen? That would explain the stuff Question uncovered,

Of course, I could just be paranoid. It doesnt make sense for The Justice Lord Batman to want the Lords to happen since he in fact had a hand in their defeat in A Better World. He did let The Justice League loose and freely sent them back to their own universe to stop the Lords as Im sure everyone is aware of. If he wanterd the Justice Lords to succeed why free the JL to stop them?

[Rosert Gnimhar*]

Well, for what its worth...Here's a repost of what I thought could possibly happen in "Epilogue", from the thread Cadmus... Not all it was cracked up to be? (http://forums.toonzone.net/showthread.php?t=137171) (Not really any spoilers, just speculation...)





With all of this in mind, I'm really thinking/hoping that 'Epilogue' will in some way featue the story of the rogue government-created synthoid Zeta. He's involved in this too. Perhaps with Professor Sielig apparently gone (with his apparent drowning in the last episode of The Zeta Project) Zeta will finally be able to come to some knowledge of his rather lengthy history (The Z8 Project inisiated by General Hardcastle and its role in Cadmus), through the memories of the elderly Bruce Wayne.

I mean this was initially set up as the ultimate end of, not only JLU, but of the entire DCAU. They seem to have intended to rap up not only JL & JLU, but also Batman Beyond, and perhaps even Static Shock. Considering that Static's series seems to be canceled and with an entire episode in the future they certainly have the room to mention him as being apart of the JLU Beyond. So then I'm thinking that the producers would be abit remiss to not try to close out Zeta as well, especially considering that the theme of his show (the race against a secret government organization) makes it the perfect fit for the kind of story that the Cadmus conspiracy seems to be going for.

I think that it would be a nice twist to have Zeta be the one that prompts Bruces recollection of that specific period of his past. I'd hate to think that they just have old Bruce all of a sudden recollecting......that would just seem too contrived. The Zeta route just seems more natural and inventive.


Just food for thought!

Peace out!;)

RG*:knd1:

[Yojimbo]

Well, for what its worth...Here's a repost of what I thought could possibly happen in "Epilogue", from the thread Cadmus... Not all it was cracked up to be? (http://forums.toonzone.net/showthread.php?t=137171) (Not really any spoilers, just speculation...)



Just food for thought!

Peace out!;)

RG*:knd1:
As long as its not something insane like Zeta having Flash's organs to function then I'm okay with Zeta appearing.