CN and Anime: How many were there supposed to be again?

[Funkatron]

Ok, does anyone remember how many Anime's CN were supposed to co-produce??

IGPX is one. PPGZ seems to be another. So, how many more are we going to get?

[livingfruitvirus]

By April 2006, the joint venture is expected to be producing weekly episodes for three shows, at a budget of 20 million yen (U.S. $190,000) per episode, 20 to 50 percent higher than the current average budget for anime TV series. The added budget will be spent on higher-than-average quality animation using more animators and other staff than is typically used in anime. best info ive got

[Funkatron]

best info ive got
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So that leaves 1 more...hmmm....

[William C. Maune]

So that leaves 1 more...hmmm....

And potentially many more depending on how successful this venture is.

[Karl Olson]

And potentially many more depending on how successful this venture is.

Yeah, it's gonna hinge first on ratings, then on related sales (merch and dvds, both domestically and at CN Japan.

[Conan-san]

Why do I get the horrid fealing that the Jp versions will get cool themesongs (SONIC-GO! SONIC-GO GO GO GO GO LETS GO!) but somehow the US will get a bad theme song (GOTA GO FAST, GOTA GO FAST, GOTA GO FASTER FASTER FASTER!) and we, europe will get the bottom of hte barrel? (SONIC ECHS! SONIC EHCHS!)


So that leaves 1 more...hmmm.... Samuri Jack part 2?

[Karl Olson]

Why do I get the horrid fealing that the Jp versions will get cool themesongs (SONIC-GO! SONIC-GO GO GO GO GO LETS GO!) but somehow the US will get a bad theme song (GOTA GO FAST, GOTA GO FAST, GOTA GO FASTER FASTER FASTER!) and we, europe will get the bottom of hte barrel? (SONIC ECHS! SONIC EHCHS!)

Actually, I'd lean on CN doing as little rework and localization as possible. They seem to be building these as international, one-size-fits-all properties, which is probably why the Ninja Tune beats are being used in IGPX from the get go. CN is trying to maximize their profit by making shows that can just be run on any version of CN. They'll dub it into various languages, but they'll keep the OSTs and probably the OPs/EDs internationally consistant if they can get away with it. It's just more cost effective. Heck, I'd imagine the DVDs will probably catch all iterations if any tweaks are made (IE: Japanese OP/ED would be a bonus feature on the US discs and vice versa in the event of a switch, and they'll be English/Japanese at a minimum if CN has any brains too. Throw in spanish and french because CNLA and Teletoon Quebec will need need dubs in those languages anyway, and it's easy to add bonus content on the disc.)

[Wanted]

I don't know if they'll do French... unless the channel in Canada is paying for it. But, since CN exists in Latin America, and they want to get the shows there ASAP, you know there'll be Spanish.

Makes me wonder if the people in France have to watch CN subbed.
(considering that on the DVDs, there are only two spoken languages)

Even though these are anime series, they will be having talkbacks in their respective forums (Cartoon Network, Toonami), I presume.

We know about two series: IGPX and PPGZ. Now, presuming that PPGZ goes to Fridays or Toonami (Toonami's been faithful to the Powerpuff Girls), then, maybe the third series will be for Adult Swim... or Tickle U (shudders).

[Swag Jenkins]

Actually, I'd lean on CN doing as little rework and localization as possible. They seem to be building these as international, one-size-fits-all properties, which is probably why the Ninja Tune beats are being used in IGPX from the get go. CN is trying to maximize their profit by making shows that can just be run on any version of CN. They'll dub it into various languages, but they'll keep the OSTs and probably the OPs/EDs internationally consistant if they can get away with it. It's just more cost effective. Heck, I'd imagine the DVDs will probably catch all iterations if any tweaks are made (IE: Japanese OP/ED would be a bonus feature on the US discs and vice versa in the event of a switch, and they'll be English/Japanese at a minimum if CN has any brains too. Throw in spanish and french because CNLA and Teletoon Quebec will need need dubs in those languages anyway, and it's easy to add bonus content on the disc.)I'm sure CN will probably get alot of money off merchandise, but isn't Bandai handling the distribution for PPGZ? I would think WBHV would handle DVD distribution.

[Killtacular]

So that leaves 1 more...hmmm....
It leaves three. The three anime series haven't been put into production yet. Time Warner hasn't even dealt with studios yet. They are supposed to start doing that THIS SUMMER.

IGPX and PPGZ are clearly separate products, initated by Sam Register (who apparently was there at TAF05) rather than Time Warner.

[William C. Maune]

From what I understand, IGPX actually is a part of the deal. We just may not have found out about the deal until things were underway. Plus, IGPX is slated to premiere until November so it isn't like production needed to have started much earlier than the time the deal was publicly announced. As for whether PPGZ is a part of the deal, I haven't heard anything.

[Killtacular]

From what I understand, IGPX actually is a part of the deal.
What? How do you come to that conclusion? Bandai is involved in the project which means they are the ones that CN went to, to get IGPX done. If this were Turner's deal, you would see Itochu creditted, and there would be no middleman period. I don't know why CN went to Bandai (to get it greenlighted faster?) but they did and we'll all be left scratching our heads over it.

How many times do I have to say this? Let's go over the initial press:


To this end, the companies by June will set up a fund totaling about 3 billion yen (US$28.9 million) to solicit investments from such related businesses as television broadcasters, toy makers and animation production studios, the newspaper reported on Sunday [February 1st].

The partners initially expect to produce around three programs, with the first slated to debut simultaneously in Japan and the US in April 2006.
Go ahead and try to piece together some logical explanation that Turner may have already gotten the 3 billion yen together, successfully solicited the animation studios, and gotten merchandising deals, 5 months ahead of schedule, in order to get IGPX created, and only 2 weeks after Itochu and Turner announced their joint project. But such an explanation will only make sense to you. I would need considerable evidence on your behalf before I consider that IGPX could be part of this Time Warner deal. It requires too much of a leap of logic for me to swallow.

Three programs will be produced for 2006. But we won't know what they are until THEY EXIST. Turner still needs to set up deals for said series. They still have to put up the MONEY to do so. We aren't even in the conceptual phase yet. I would not even be sure that Sam Register would be in charge of creating said projects. It would probably fall into the hands of Turner VPs.

[Funkatron]

I found PPGZ screencaps!!!!!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v181/litakino16506/Archive/1112466393969.jpg

I'm assuming taken from the fair.
Buttercup looks cute in that beanie :p

Thank Bleadman's Snaffu Comics board

[Killtacular]

I found PPGZ screencaps!!!!!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v181/litakino16506/Archive/1112466393969.jpg

I'm assuming taken from the fair.
Hello 1980s coloring.

[Funkatron]

Hello 1980s coloring.
Rumor is same team that did Sailor moon, so probably not so far off

[Conan-san]

Rumor is same team that did Sailor moon, so probably not so far offSweet! 1980's desins clashing with 2kY animation style. How can it lose?!

Case in point: RE: Cutie Honey.

[William C. Maune]

What? How do you come to that conclusion? Bandai is involved in the project which means they are the ones that CN went to, to get IGPX done. If this were Turner's deal, you would see Itochu creditted, and there would be no middleman period. I don't know why CN went to Bandai (to get it greenlighted faster?) but they did and we'll all be left scratching our heads over it.

I don't see how that means CN went to Bandai to get IGPX done. The way I read the information, it seems Bandai is just handling things like merchandising. Why would they do this? Bandai already handles merchandising for Teen Titans, thus it is reasonable for them to handle it for this show as well.


How many times do I have to say this?

None, if you don't want to. I'm sorry you feel annoyed by the fact that people don't agree with your interpretation, but you aren't necessarily right. Neither am I. I don't think any of us know all the facts.


Go ahead and try to piece together some logical explanation that Turner may have already gotten the 3 billion yen together, successfully solicited the animation studios, and gotten merchandising deals, 5 months ahead of schedule, in order to get IGPX created, and only 2 weeks after Itochu and Turner announced their joint project.

The way I read the press release, the full 3 million yen will be gathered by June as opposed to them suddenly getting 3 million yet in June. Thus, they'll have part of it before June (if not already), just not the full 3 mil. With some of the capital already in hand, they would already be able to work on at least one or two series. Additionally, the deal could have come about in part because co-production deals already existed. In that scenario, existing co-production deals could have been worked into this larger deal announced in February. Granted, the "April 2006" part does cause some problems. I had missed that part previously.


But such an explanation will only make sense to you.

Is that really necessary?


I would need considerable evidence on your behalf before I consider that IGPX could be part of this Time Warner deal. It requires too much of a leap of logic for me to swallow.

Unfortunately, I don't have any more specific evidence. I just have the little bit that I heard. That being said, while you have a good theory, I don't think you have "considerable evidence" to back up everything you have stated either.


Three programs will be produced for 2006. But we won't know what they are until THEY EXIST. Turner still needs to set up deals for said series. They still have to put up the MONEY to do so. We aren't even in the conceptual phase yet. I would not even be sure that Sam Register would be in charge of creating said projects. It would probably fall into the hands of Turner VPs.

Even if IGPX nor PPGZ is a part of this, I don't see any reason why deals for other series couldn't be underway already. The full 3 million yen will be gathered by June (according to the press release), but they could easily have a large chunk of it already.

[Funkatron]

What? How do you come to that conclusion? Bandai is involved in the project which means they are the ones that CN went to, to get IGPX done. If this were Turner's deal, you would see Itochu creditted, and there would be no middleman period. I don't know why CN went to Bandai (to get it greenlighted faster?) but they did and we'll all be left scratching our heads over it.

How many times do I have to say this? Let's go over the initial press:


Go ahead and try to piece together some logical explanation that Turner may have already gotten the 3 billion yen together, successfully solicited the animation studios, and gotten merchandising deals, 5 months ahead of schedule, in order to get IGPX created, and only 2 weeks after Itochu and Turner announced their joint project. But such an explanation will only make sense to you. I would need considerable evidence on your behalf before I consider that IGPX could be part of this Time Warner deal. It requires too much of a leap of logic for me to swallow.

Three programs will be produced for 2006. But we won't know what they are until THEY EXIST. Turner still needs to set up deals for said series. They still have to put up the MONEY to do so. We aren't even in the conceptual phase yet. I would not even be sure that Sam Register would be in charge of creating said projects. It would probably fall into the hands of Turner VPs.
Not so much a leap in logic: Cn announce at lease 3 Anime co-pro and poof, what do we have ?? 2 Anime co-pro's .

For all we know, they've been doing some back room dealings for a while and the announce was just to make it official(and get the hype started)

[Karl Olson]

You know it strikes me that the 3 Co-Pros originally announced were very explicitly TimeWarner, not directly CN. The two we've got online so far have not only been very explicitly CN, but out of a particular person in CN at that (both are moving forward because of Register's energy and consent.) It's very possible that the 2 current co-pros aren't part of the TW deal as such, especially given the time indescrepancies. However, that necessitates the asking of a very, very important question: Why wasn't PPGZ mentioned at the upfront? And that's the reason the PPGZ thread is closed at the moment; there are good odds CN isn't even sure PPGZ is gonna work, so they weren't gonna announce it until they knew whether it was gonna be good. Basically, Toei let the cat out of the bag ahead of schedule, so we're working on really weak data right now. However, I think it'd be foolish not to think CN and TW aren't each setting up their own investments. In fact, it may mean that TW's investments are a reactionary move to CN's. The relationship between Warner and CN has always been a little tenuous to put it mildly, so I could imagine them competing for talent and content in Japan, especially if CN got the drop on them.

[William C. Maune]

You know it strikes me that the 3 Co-Pros originally announced were very explicitly TimeWarner, not directly CN.

True, although I do think it is worth noting that while they were announced by TimeWarner, TimeWarner specifically announced them as being for Cartoon Network. Also, I wonder if there is a connection between the fact that this deal wasn't mentioned at the upfront and PPGZ not being mentioned at the upfront (that being said, IGPX was mentioned).

[Karl Olson]

True, although I do think it is worth noting that while they were announced by TimeWarner, TimeWarner specifically announced them as being for Cartoon Network.

Still, that April 2006 date doesn't gel with how soon some of this stuff is supposed to come over.


Also, I wonder if there is a connection between the fact that this deal wasn't mentioned at the upfront and PPGZ not being mentioned at the upfront (that being said, IGPX was mentioned).

I could imagine even Register, who has been boldly and very openly embracing Japanese culture as a part of CN, would handle PPGZ with caution cause if it doesn't work well, it'd end up being a Japan-only property. In other words, it's something they weren't certain they wanted to bring over, so they didn't want to commit to bringing it over. IGPX already had it's test run, and the Ninja Tune OST grounds it as very CN America, very Toonami and very western. PPGZ is probably the most radical reinvention of any Cartoon Network property ever, not an original, so it's a very risky proposition. If this series fails, if they are unsuccessful, the Powerpuff Girls have no future. Atleast not for another 10 to 20 years. If it succeeds, it'll be a permanent part of the animation lexicon. It'll be CN's Mickey Mouse and Bugs Bunny: the characters they can reinvent and repackage at will. So, I can see wanting to keep it on the downlow. They don't to be pressured into bringing this over, they'd want to be able to take it at a pace they feel is comfortable, which is really par for the course for CN.

[BrendaBat]

IGPX is one. PPGZ seems to be another. So, how many more are we going to get?What does "IGPX" stand for? :confused:


I found PPGZ screencaps!!!!!Oh no. I'm having flashbacks to that horrible Ninja Turtle anime. I hope Japan doesn't ruin PPG like they did the turtles.
I'd hate it if PPG (one of the funniest and most origional shows ever made, IMO) was watered down to a generic fighter anime.

[William C. Maune]

What does "IGPX" stand for? :confused:

Immortal Grand Prix

[Jon Hanson]

I found PPGZ screencaps!!!!!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v181/litakino16506/Archive/1112466393969.jpg

I'm assuming taken from the fair.
Buttercup looks cute in that beanie :p

Thank Bleadman's Snaffu Comics board I hope it's just the camera making the images look wonky, because the coloring and linework on those screen captures seems very bland, almost like they were from an older show. This is made worse considering how it's the polar opposite of PPG's style. That being said, I'm sure it's the camera's fault.

[Karl Olson]

I hope it's just the camera making the images look wonky, because the coloring and linework on those screen captures seems very bland, almost like they were from an older show. This is made worse considering how it's the polar opposite of PPG's style. That being said, I'm sure it's the camera's fault.

Digital Camera + LCD Monitor + Terrible Angle = Probably just bad pictures that don't really capture the color well. I could be wrong though.

[Conekiller]

Sweet! 1980's desins clashing with 2kY animation style. How can it lose?!

Case in point: RE: Cutie Honey.
I was getting the same kind of vibe fromt he screencaps. But by looking at toe promo art I showcased in the other thread, I doubt we'll have much in th eway of subdued colors. and if we do it'll be relegated to backgrounds.

[j32885]

It seems to me, that IGPX is indeed part of the anime co-productions deal that TW announced 3 months back. PPGZ is probably part of that same deal as well, but TW, Turner, & CN wanted to save the PPGZ presentation as a surprise at bigger event, such as anime-con or comic-con.

[Gary L Thompson]

What does PPGZ stand for? "Powerpuff Girls Z"?

(Horrific vision fills head of our heroines fighting their foes in battles that DRAG-ON for episode after episode, hero or villian suddenly rallying just when you think the fight is finally over, everybody else in the world is wiped out but it doesn't matter because our girls go out throughout the world to search for magical balls to undo it all in the end--SHUDDER! The horror! The horror!)

Seriously, the gals look pretty cute, and I'm looking forward to seeing a shoujo anime take on our favorite pint-sized heroines (will Dynamo be making an appearance, I wonder?).

Just one comment (and plea to CN) on IGPX. I enjoyed its serial short pilot back when it aired on CN, but I would like one thing changed. Don't make the hero the center of the story every time (frankly, I think just that specific one flaw was one--though not the only--factor making CN's attempt to pick up the "Zoids" franchise with "Fuzors" such a disaster). His sisters were fairly interesting too, especially the youngest one, so I think the series will be much better if they shift the spotlight among the leads from episode to episode, rather than making the other characters cannon fodder just to make the lead look good.

[Funkatron]

More screencaps: http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y39/johnnydynamis/ppg2.jpg

[Weatherman]

Power Puff Girls Zeta? *shrugs*


The coloring seems to be somewhat mallable from scene to scene. It looks likr the action scenes will have a much stronger coloring then the water-coloresque non-action scenes.

[Wanted]

Karl Olson's right about the pictures.

This is just going to turn, I predict, into another PPGZ chat, so let me get these words in...

Original VA Castings

or else this will be... bad.

[Karl Olson]

Side note: Don't Chat About PPGZ in this thread, or atleast beyond whether it's one of the WB set. I'm not sure CN was quite interested in having this info leak, so since I'd rather not have CN PR and Legal make me an offer I can't refuse, I'd very much appreciate if talk about the actual series be non-existant for now. I swear, the second I know it's definitely cool to talk about it, I'll set up a thread myself for explicitly for gabbing about PPGZ. Seriously, I'd love to talk about right now myself, but I also want to not tick off the people who might give us additional info.

[Weatherman]

Fair enough. Still, CN anme at an almost $200,000 budget should be very very interesting.

[Karl Olson]

Fair enough. Still, CN anme at an almost $200,000 budget should be very very interesting.

Yeah, 200K should give them everything but GitS:SAC-style 3D backgrounds and Dead Leaves-like 2D-animation fluidity.

[Bunai]

my stomach is kind of floppin at the thought of this.
PPG is one of my all time fav shows. i hope they have Craigs input...or even...Chris's input on this:sad: .

and yeah the original voices..even though Bubbles was changed only once. should do them.

it kind of reminds me of...American Speed Racer...AHHHHH
if the creator has no access to their own creation the whole thing is pretty much screwed.
thats like 4Kids redoing Tokyo Mew Mew as a whole new series drawn by them.


and what does the Z stand for?

PPG is original and came from the ground up.

[Riza Hawkeye]

and what does the Z stand for? What the 'Z' stand for in DragonBall Z?

I see this as the same thing, neither 'Z' stands for anything. The 'Z' is meant to siginify the end. Even though DBZ did continue with GT, it was supposed to end with DBZ. Plus, the 'Z' is just cool :p

[Funkatron]

Can we talk about the video clip that just surfaced???(I'll link if I get the ok)

[Karl Olson]

Can we talk about the video clip that just surfaced???(I'll link if I get the ok)

Not yet. And even when I give the ok to talk about it and PPGZ in general (basically the second a Cartoon Network America PR hits the net,) I wouldn't link the video (again, I would rather dodge possible legal issues.) I will be opening the thread that was started April Fool's Day about PPGZ once their is an official confirmation and announcement from CN America and from there it's an open field for discussion of the show itself. I know it's no fun to wait (the wait is killing me too as this show is like 2 of my favorite things put together. I mean, I'm the kind of nerd who has an empty PPG Cereal box up on the wall and also has a big CCS wallscroll on the wall too. This show could be my favorite show ever, so it's driving me up the wall that I've gotta keep quiet. However, it's for the best,) but it's for the best. Besides, I'm leaning on that we'll get confirmation before the work week is up, maybe even sooner.

[Wanted]

So, if this one show that seems to be the focus of our attention is one of the shows, then that leaves us to wait until a PR for the real info on the PPGZ and the other two shows.

What could the others be about? I wonder. Where will they go? Moreover, where will PPGZ go? (On CN and at the forums)

I'm guessing the CN Forums ([after all, it is a CN series {an original?}] you can always visit!), and on Fridays, for maximum exposure.

Then again, this show would fit on Toonami, if there was ever a slot available (I really doubt there will be, with the major influx of shows coming in/already here with new episodes ready to go [emphasis on The Batman]).

[Gary L Thompson]

Side note: Don't Chat About PPGZ in this thread, or atleast beyond whether it's one of the WB set. I'm not sure CN was quite interested in having this info leak, so since I'd rather not have CN PR and Legal make me an offer I can't refuse, I'd very much appreciate if talk about the actual series be non-existant for now. I swear, the second I know it's definitely cool to talk about it, I'll set up a thread myself for explicitly for gabbing about PPGZ. Seriously, I'd love to talk about right now myself, but I also want to not tick off the people who might give us additional info.
Well, nobody responded to my comment on IGPX so far. I'd be happy to talk about that for a while instead.


it kind of reminds me of...American Speed Racer...AHHHHH
if the creator has no access to their own creation the whole thing is pretty much screwed.
thats like 4Kids redoing Tokyo Mew Mew as a whole new series drawn by them.
Actually the American "Speed Racer" was a pretty fine series--if you're talking about Now Comics that is. Pity they couldn't have been in charge of the TV show instead of Fred Wolf & co. Yeah, the "New Speed Racer" was pretty bad, but the amazing thing is that the Japanese picked up the same bad send-Speed-Racer-and-cast-to-the-far-future plotline in their own "Speed Racer X" (at least from what I heard, unfortunately Nickelodian never finished the series).

[Demonic Raven]

What could the others be about? I wonder. Where will they go? Moreover, where will PPGZ go? (On CN and at the forums) It depends. IGPX was destined for Toonami to begin with, while they might want to put something like PPGZ on Fridays, but it could also go on Toonami. Maybe it can go on both at the same time. We will see when the time comes.

I thought IGPX was already announced as part of a Turner anime deal. Shows how much I know.

I'm just wondering what kind of originals (read: completely new concepts) they are going to come up with, if any.

[Wanted]

It depends. IGPX was destined for Toonami to begin with, while they might want to put something like PPGZ on Fridays, but it could also go on Toonami. Maybe it can go on both at the same time. We will see when the time comes.Nah, Toonami's going to be filled with premieres... to the brim with them.

I'm just wondering what kind of originals (read: completely new concepts) they are going to come up with, if any.One or two. Maybe none. Who knows?